What is SquareEnix Thinking???

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Lately, they're has been a lot of games by SquareEnix that goes way over the line when it comes to love stories. In Star Ocean: Till The End Of Time, the main character really seemed too close to his cousin. Maybe it's just me but Square is losing their mind. Any comments?

[psyniac_123]

"Lately"? SO:TEOT was released 3 years ago :confused:
Any other examples you'd like to share?

[Renmiri]

Yuna and Brother ?

I see nothing essentially wrong with it, as Yuna and brother were never raised together and only met each other as adults.

And in some cultures cousins are allowed to marry, it's even common.

[Comet]

Next Gen RPG Games: Incest

[TyphoonThaReapa]

I honestly don't care how you look at it. Family marrying or doing anything of the sort is WRONG!

[Jowy]

IIRC Fayt Leingod and Sophia Esteed are not related. Plus FaytxMaria is totally the more ideal coupling anyway. ;D

[Yliette]

I honestly don't care how you look at it. Family marrying or doing anything of the sort is WRONG!

But actually as Renmiri said, marrying your cousins is allowed, legal and even encouraged in other countries such as Japan and China. AFAIK the Chinese do it to maintain family wealth and prestige.

And to think that Final Fantasy was created by the Japanese so expect it'll reflect the culture of the said creator. :)

But then family marriages are normally arranged. So in the case of Brother and Yuna, maybe Brother needs to see a counselor.

[Mercen-X]

I honestly don't care how you look at it. Family marrying or doing anything of the sort is WRONG!

Technically, we're all family, bro. This planet wasn't created with a mess of people wandering around. Cousin-cousin's been the haps for millennia, hermano.

[Jiro]

Anyone who belives even partial parts of the Bible will realise Adam + Eve = all humanity. So yeah, we're all related so just don't think too hard or you won't get married or have another girlfriend again.

[feioncastor]

Wow, this thread is rapidly getting off-topic...

Anyway, on-topic, I think S-E is stupid with their love stories these days. I mean, in FF4, sure, Cecil and Rosa are an item and all that, and you even have Kain, the man who covets his neighbor's wife.

But still, next to the bizzare interaction between Tidus and Yuna, FF4 seems totally devoid of a love story.

It's bothering me a great deal. When Aeris died in FF7, I was speechless. And not because she was Cloud's girlfriend or anything, but because you just don't see that sort of thing happening, at least not before FF7.

I think it's good to have the concept of love and intimacy in an RPG, but when it becomes one of the central focuses of the game, I have trouble appreciating that game because of it.

[Mirage]

Star Ocean 3 isn't made by S-E, just published. Tri-Ace developed it.

Enix was Tri-Ace's publisher long before they merged, and I'm pretty sure SO3 was completed before the merger even took place. The NA release of SO3 came about a year, maybe two, later than the Japanese release.

[bipper]

I honestly don't care how you look at it. Family marrying or doing anything of the sort is WRONG!

actually, genetically - there has been evidence as posted in threads in eoeo on insest topics, that first cousin reproduction is often quite safe. I am no expert, but I have no extremly hot cousins, so I don't need to be :D

[Mercen-X]

I think the Squee Lovies have always been badly written. They either don't explain enough of it or they just try to exploit it. They should just stop trying.

[black orb]

>>> Square`s love stories have always been worst..

But I care more about decent gameplay, plot, characters, etc. So the love stuff never bothered me too much..

[bipper]

It is not a love story unless there is a soft core porn scene.

[Markus. D]

Next Gen RPG Games: Incest

Drakengard shows elements of that.

[ValkyrieWing]

the thing about star ocean is that the endings change depending on your in-game actions. :3

[theundeadhero]

I loved my cousin long time before the latest Star Ocean game came out.

[Mercen-X]

as in, "love you loooong time?"

[Setzer Gabianni]

Next Gen RPG Games: Incest

Drakengard shows elements of that.

I demand proofage. Which game? I have both.

[Markus. D]

Next Gen RPG Games: Incest

Drakengard shows elements of that.

I demand proofage. Which game? I have both.

Drakengard One.


I think it is lightly referenced somewhere around Chapter 9~

FuriaexCaim D:

Apparently it was alot more obvious in the japanese version Drag-On-Dragoon.

I really wanna play it >_<

Apparently Leonard is a Paedo.

[Wolf Kanno]

I think it's good to have the concept of love and intimacy in an RPG, but when it becomes one of the central focuses of the game, I have trouble appreciating that game because of it.

I second this comment. Especially concerning JRPGs released in the last few years.

[Rostum]

I think the Squee Lovies have always been badly written. They should just stop trying.

And when they did, people complained (i.e. FFXII).

[Zeromus_X]

Star Ocean 3 isn't made by S-E, just published. Tri-Ace developed it.

Enix was Tri-Ace's publisher long before they merged, and I'm pretty sure SO3 was completed before the merger even took place. The NA release of SO3 came about a year, maybe two, later than the Japanese release.

In addition, Fayt and Sophia aren't related to eachother. They're just really close friends.

Anyway, I've had my ups and downs with romance subplots in games published by Square-Enix. The only problem I usually have with them is that they seem to be thrown in with no real attachment between the characters beforehand (FFVIII, FFX). Although, that doesn't mean that a romantic subplot that isn't perfectly realistic is going to make me dislike that particular game...

[Mirage]

Tidus and Yuna didn't come completely out of the blue though.

[Eiko Guy]

They developed. Like most people facing doom yuna X tidus happened out of necessity.

[Vivisteiner]

Ugggh. Cousin x Cousin is genetically terrible.

Just the thought makes me sick anyway.

[Laddy]

I despise the FaytxSophia one, so so terrible. Some FF games were bad i.e. X-2 (X's was okay, IMO.) I just wish that love stories were a bit less, childish, as in they pratically say, "Let's fall in love!" "Okay, love!"

[Jowy]

Fayt Leingod and Sophia Esteed are not related.

[Gopher Gamble]

Next Gen RPG Games: Incest

A dating sim would be better. How often can you cruse the scene at a family reunion and get the blood relitive of your dreams?!

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Cousin relationships are fairly common in Japanese media and I believe were more or less accepted in their society for awhile, and as I understand it genetically it doesn't really do all that much since the genes are different enough to create a child safely.

So getting riled up about it is really just imposing our own cultural values on Japanese game makers who probably don't really care/understand.

And Fayt and Sophia aren't cousins ^_^

[escobert]

I don't care about the rest of the crap they make as long as they keep the Saga games the same :p

[Rostum]

Square-Enix (thinking): "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"

[Cool Revolutionary]

I honestly don't care how you look at it. Family marrying or doing anything of the sort is WRONG!
rap lyrics in your signature is wronger.

[Rostum]

I honestly don't care how you look at it. Family marrying or doing anything of the sort is WRONG!
rap lyrics in your signature is wronger.

Not knowing grammar is even more wrong.

[Cool Revolutionary]

I honestly don't care how you look at it. Family marrying or doing anything of the sort is WRONG!
rap lyrics in your signature is wronger.

Not knowing grammar is even more wrong.
nothing beats rap lyrics. FACT!

[Cookie]

Way to have an argument in the thread there.

Anyway, Square Enix continue to make good games, which I usually enjoy. I didn't have a problem with the SO Fayt/Sophia storyline either.