This has nothing to do with the elections and everything to do with staff duties.

[Loony BoB]

What would you expect of a forums staffer once they are promoted to the job? How active should they be? Should they have obligations which must be met, or face demotion? Should they post a certain amount of times, or would that depend on other things? Is it a 'must' that they discuss staff issues in the staff forum, or can they leave that to others while just getting on with the moderating?

Get into as much detail as you like.

[Baloki]

Oh wow BoB, what drama you have created here.....

And this proves why Yams is greater then you :(

[NeoCracker]

YAMS For Senior Site Staff!

But seriously, they should do what they can, not more then they need to. No need to let an admin job interfere with personal life. If they really can't do their job here and have a life, demote them. They probably won't mind. But so long as they contribute, let them be and do their job.

Given I'm half asleep, I'll assume that came out how I wanted it to.

Go YAms!

[Loony BoB]

Oh wow BoB, what drama you have created here.....

And this proves why Yams is greater then you :(
This isn't me creating drama, this is me asking a question to get a better idea of what people think of what a staffer should do. Your post seems off topic. :)

[Rostum]

You know, I have no idea what a staff member does other than ban people.

[o_O]

There's a certain amount of elitism a staff member is entitled to, so I don't think they are required to post often. There's a kind of enigmatic presence whenever a not-so-active staff member posts, and that comes with the title.

They should be a trusted member of the community. They should also moderate, but really, who's to police that other than the other mods and admins? It's not like there's going to be a mutiny of members over it. :p

[Mirage]

I think it's more important that they're logged in quite a bit, than how much they post, and I expect them to be impartial and observant. I also expect them to be a bit flexible.

I think it's important that they involve themselves with important topics brought up in the staff forum, so that these issues wouldn't be decided by say, just half of the staff.

[KentaRawr!]

A staffer is to appreciate rules, but also the meaning of a forum these days. Being absolute idiots, and yet debating like smartz peoplez. :) If two or three joke-threads pop up, then they shalt be closed! If only one, then it will be the forum's source of funzorz. If a debate gets off-topic and personal, then <del>kill them all</del> close the thread! But if they STAY on topic, leave it open!

If somebody is awesome and breaks rules, don't ban them. >_>

[Firo Volondé]

I consider Staffers to be like politicians. That is, we can bitch about them and make jokes all we want, and they can't do a thing about it otherwise we'll kick them out of Parliament, the old fashioned way: voting.

[Bunny]

Bake cookies.

Pretty much the only thing a good staff member has to do is know what they should be doing. They should be able to answer any questions about their job, and in a timely manner as well, and should be open to talk or dicuss problems that members are having with an open mind. You know, not just look at their PM box and go "oh great someone is bitching again."

But seriously, can I get some cookies? Chocolate Chip please.

[Christmas]

Nah, Cid barely post and people STILL wet their pants when he does so. :bigsmile:

[theundeadhero]

As long as they're around long enough to notice rules being broken without needing a warn message, act on that, and participate in staff decisions they might be okay.

[eternalshiva]

I think site staff that have been demoted and re-promoted should have their names underlined like all the other staffers in the "who's online"

/certainlyisn'tpointingathername

>__________________>

[Jowy]

Regularly posting, attributing to staff decisions, trying to do things for the site, communicating with the members, and not specifically picking favorites amongst members (though I do like being a well-respected member~!) Also, knowing how to properly use the Mod/Admin CP is another qualification which I think should be necessary.

[Loony BoB]

I think site staff that have been demoted and re-promoted should have their names underlined like all the other staffers in the "who's online"

/certainlyisn'tpointingathername

>__________________>

If you're on Site Staff, you should have that working.

[Cz]

Presumably, staffers are chosen because they've proven themselves to be active, responsible members of the forums. If that's the case, then they shouldn't have to change their behaviour. As for whether they should feel obligated to participate in staff discussions, I don't think that's very fair. People shouldn't have to feel that EoFF is 'work', and if they don't want to get involved, then they shouldn't have to.

[escobert]

They need to be around the forums, getting to know members and such. Also actual posts don't really matter I mean :skull::skull::skull::skull: look at roogle he never posts anymore but he's around and everyone knows he's around.I think as long as they work with the site and are atleast doing something then it should be fine. But when someone (slup :p) is admin and does nothing all day they should just be banned.

[Old Manus]

Internet Moderators. Serious business.

I don't see why forums staff should turn into drill instructors as soon as they have some sort of power. At the end, they're here for the fun of it like everyone else.

[Loony BoB]

Presumably, staffers are chosen because they've proven themselves to be active, responsible members of the forums. If that's the case, then they shouldn't have to change their behaviour. As for whether they should feel obligated to participate in staff discussions, I don't think that's very fair. People shouldn't have to feel that EoFF is 'work', and if they don't want to get involved, then they shouldn't have to.
This isn't so much about what they should be doing on day one so much as what they should be doing on day 1000. In other words, obviously sometimes staffers will drop in their activity. When is the activity considered too low? What happens if they lose the positives that they once had when they were recruited?

[XxSephirothxX]

I think posting tons is somewhat of a bad qualification for choosing a staffer. It's not like it's awful, but it's quite possible for someone to read tons of threads and be a perfect candidate for moderation, but not post in every single thread they look at. :p

Anyway, ideally I think they should post a decent amount, contribute to discussions and decisions about members and the future of the site, etc. But I think once you choose someone for that position, you're showing that you really respect their responsibility and decision-making ability, so a lot of that stuff isn't necessary. I think it would be okay if they didn't post a lot if they promoted valid ideas and regularly weighed in on important issues.

After all, that's why we still keep Mullet around! :monster:

[Miriel]

I agree with Bunny.

Staffers should just bake tons and tons of cookies for the benefit of Eyeson forum members. :up:

[Bunny]

I agree with Bunny.

Staffers should just bake tons and tons of cookies for the benefit of Eyeson forum members. :up:

This is why you are my favorite. I bestow upon you.. a certificate for one free Bunny hug.

[Flying Mullet]

I agree with Bunny.

Staffers should just bake tons and tons of cookies for the benefit of Eyeson forum members. :up:
Only if they're peanut butter cookies. :drool:

[Christmas]

Internet Moderators. Serious business.

I don't see why forums staff should turn into drill instructors as soon as they have some sort of power. At the end, they're here for the fun of it like everyone else.

Someone hacked into LITTLE MANUS' account.:(

[Old Manus]

Internet Moderators. Serious business.

I don't see why forums staff should turn into drill instructors as soon as they have some sort of power. At the end, they're here for the fun of it like everyone else.

Someone hacked into LITTLE MANUS' account.:(goddamn it

[eternalshiva]

/derails

am I supposed to be able to see it for myself? cause I used to be able to see the line. Then I got kicked ; ; and now no line for moi *attaches*

[Bunny]

Yeah, I don't see a line either.

P.S. Peanut butter cookies are fine. I just want some cookies plz.

[eternalshiva]

Yeah, I don't see a line either.

P.S. Peanut butter cookies are fine. I just want some cookies plz.

Yay I'm not insane! :cookie:

Ninja edit: I'm the first to admit that I stopped doing Staff work for 2 years and was rightly so dropped as staff because I didn't do nuffin. Being sucked in FFXI made me not want to code lawl and now I'm sick of end game! soooo here I am again!

[Cz]

This isn't so much about what they should be doing on day one so much as what they should be doing on day 1000. In other words, obviously sometimes staffers will drop in their activity. When is the activity considered too low? What happens if they lose the positives that they once had when they were recruited?I don't have any problem with staffers being inactive, even for months at a time, so long as there are enough people to take care of the everyday running of the forums. I don't think having one or two staffers who rarely post hurts EoFF at all, anyway. On the other hand, if someone's abusing their power or acting stupidly, then the rest of the staff have the right to demote them. If someone's fooling around that much, they probably won't miss their position anyway.

[oddler]

Internet Moderators. Serious business.

I don't see why forums staff should turn into drill instructors as soon as they have some sort of power. At the end, they're here for the fun of it like everyone else.

Someone hacked into LITTLE MANUS' account.:(goddamn it

Well, who was it? I agree with them... :(

[Bunny]

This isn't so much about what they should be doing on day one so much as what they should be doing on day 1000. In other words, obviously sometimes staffers will drop in their activity. When is the activity considered too low? What happens if they lose the positives that they once had when they were recruited?I don't have any problem with staffers being inactive, even for months at a time, so long as there are enough people to take care of the everyday running of the forums. I don't think having one or two staffers who rarely post hurts EoFF at all, anyway. On the other hand, if someone's abusing their power or acting stupidly, then the rest of the staff have the right to demote them. If someone's fooling around that much, they probably won't miss their position anyway.

Eh, I dunno. I figure that since the person is in a position of relative authority, they should be around just a little bit here and there. If they wanna take a break or whatnot, that's cool, just let the other guys know something. "Hey yeah, I'm not gonna be around for ________ reason." Just up and disappearing without any word for three weeks or more at a time is just kinda strange. Unless, you know, your computer explodes. That's an okay reason for your disappearing.

[Loony BoB]

Fixed the eternalshiva problem.

[eternalshiva]

XD lol thanks <3 <3 <3

[Baloki]

Oh wow BoB, what drama you have created here.....

And this proves why Yams is greater then you :(
This isn't me creating drama, this is me asking a question to get a better idea of what people think of what a staffer should do. Your post seems off topic. :)

You seem off topic, I suggest you ban Psychotic.

[Doomie]

They should have a small say in the staff forums, and must moderate while they are online. We don't expect staff members to be here 24/7. They have lives too, you know.

[Yamaneko]

Don't believe him. He is trying to start drama.

[Cz]

Don't believe him. He is trying to start drama.Conflict among the staff!?! :o

[Roogle]

Well, you know, it has to happen sometime.

[Tavrobel]

Is it a 'must' that they discuss staff issues in the staff forum, or can they leave that to others while just getting on with the moderating?

Get into as much detail as you like.

How about they actually log on once they are promoted, and do something.

Even if behind the scenes, where it is less obvious, there is still impact on the outside world. And I'll tell you there is very little impact, and there is very little outside effort on the whole of the Staff.

[Roogle]

How much influence do you believe that the maintainers of the community should have upon the entire userbase, Tavrobel?

[Tavrobel]

It's not influence on the people, it's influence on the working of the community and the site itself.

[Roogle]

I agree with that, then.

Do you, or any other users, have any specific suggestions or recommendations?

[Iceglow]

What would you expect of a forums staffer once they are promoted to the job? How active should they be? Should they have obligations which must be met, or face demotion? Should they post a certain amount of times, or would that depend on other things? Is it a 'must' that they discuss staff issues in the staff forum, or can they leave that to others while just getting on with the moderating?

Get into as much detail as you like.

On another site I'm staff so I understand this topic better than some will. There are levels of input required for all staff if someone is given the responsibility and power and then shuns or abuses it they ought to have it removed. Also on the site that I work on there is a moderation section where we report all moderated posts (via quote and copy pasting the original message) and put what we did about it in to I should think that especially for EoEo that eoff would have similar? This is so that a problematic poster can be spoken about and punnished accordingly also then if they approach another admin it is easily checked as to what they said.

On another scale, BoB why the emo topic about staff?

[Psychotic]

A staff member should truly care about EoFF, and try to make it a better place. That's it.

[Yamaneko]

Too hard. Make it easier. How about a staff member gets promoted and he/she posts in the FVIII forum with, "FFVIII sux lol!"?

[Psychotic]

Too easy. Make it rofl instead of lol, and you're on.

[Miriel]

It's not funny that FFVIII sucks, it's really a tragedy.

It should be more like, "wtf??? ffviii sux!!"

[Tavrobel]

I think I realized the problem with no drama.

ShlupQuack has largely been MIA.

[Shoeberto]

I'm in agreement with that we need to remain both observant as well as posting spam in FFVIII.

[Shlup]

That's it, BoB. You are being charged with treason; it's the gallows for you.

[Jowy]

I agree with that, then.

Do you, or any other users, have any specific suggestions or recommendations?

Jowy for IRC admin. 8-)

[CimminyCricket]

I suggest a bi-weekly fight between staffers. Similar in make and style of Mortal Kombat. And then a new staffer is selected from a list of acceptable candidates.

After the first few fights, the staffers will be selected from the most violent gruesome sons a bitches out there.

[Roogle]

I have a fighting game similar in design to Street Fighter Alpha 3 with staff members of Eyes on Final Fantasy. ;)

[Awrini]

Daniel got dumped by Danielle, true story. =p

[Baloki]

There was once a man from nantucket...

[Levian]

A staff member should truly care about EoFF, and try to make it a better place. That's it.

QFMFT

I've always wanted to quote something for truth anyway, it seems so rad when everyone else does it.

[Loony BoB]

Daniel got dumped by Danielle, true story. =p
You wish. 8-) She's coming back to my place today! :D Have missed her.

You ain't seen treason yet, Squeak.

[Christmas]

A staff member should truly care about EoFF, and try to make it a better place. That's it.

QFMFT

I've always wanted to quote something for truth anyway, it seems so rad when everyone else does it.

Yes, Levian alway do care for EoFF (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=43830) and do his very best (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=60868) to make it a better place (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=63801). :bigsmile:

[Levian]

I hope your account won't mysteriously disappear in the next server move. :bigsmile:

[theundeadhero]

Every one of those threads were cool though.

[eternalshiva]

Admins should bring back the chocobos on the boards! down with the pages things. it's f'n ugly.

[Fonzie]

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7246/untitledzh2zi7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Seriously though, staff members should be intelligent posters, who are nice.

[Jess]

I think that once somebody is on staff they should be atleast somewhat active, otherwise there is no point them even being on staff. :jess:

I don't think it matters so much about posting in the Staff forum unless they have any issues with what is being discussed, but if they want to just stay out of the conversations and just get on with moderating then it shouldn't really matter as long as they're doing what they're supposed to be doing! :jess:

[Shoeberto]

I have a fighting game similar in design to Street Fighter Alpha 3 with staff members of Eyes on Final Fantasy. ;)
Funny, I have a mod for a little Japanese import called "Super Kire Rape Bunny 3" that's similar.

[Quina]

Staff members should have more second accounts.

[Peegee]

Being a blue means you get to do whatever you want.

I expect random bannings and frequent unbannings and random acts of terrorism.