Nintendo Counts Down to Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[KentaRawr!]

Nice. :cool:

[ljkkjlcm9]

create your own stages? Uhm amazing

THE JACKEL

[Raebus]

Best game ever?

Oh yes.

[Ouch!]

This is so clutch. <3

[ljkkjlcm9]

first stage I'm making is a big box to fight inside of. I always thought it was funny when people blew up on screen, and that way, it'll be the only way they can die! Plus it'll just be fun for my friends that will be suck compared to me, and just want to beat each other up, as opposed to get their azzes beat over and over lol. My friend and I loved designing maps in TimeSplitters... I'm going to spend so much time making stages for this game.

THE JACKEL

[demondude]

I love nintendo. :love:

[Roto13]

Totally worth the wait. Completely!

[Elite Lord Sigma]

JIDU*IEMUEDFM*U$*P(5jufJKGDMCauuJEFMDVCL:KURRJFC mxvlk/tudf;jadus;oIMDSJISF:DVusjvadf!!!1!1!!11!!

Screw the rest of the updates, this one is the best one yet!

[Heath]

My God that looks like it'll be so fun to use.

[Lawr]

That makes 2 games I would slaughter an entire nation for.

[Crossblades]

This was something I was wishing for since the first Smash was released:)

[KentaRawr!]

Classic Mode, huh? I like what they're doing with it. Instead of having a set stage and character like in 64, it's themed towards a specific series.

Nice.

[Markus. D]

I like this new approach.

:]

[Evastio]

So are each of the stages going to be random with whether it's a Giant, Team, Allied, or Regular Battle? I don't think they'd make battles from the Kirby series always Giant Battles.

Also, are they going to combine the Ice Climbers, Kid Icarus, and other retro series for Classic Mode?

[Markus. D]

How neat is the new Ice Climber stage ^^?

[Crossblades]

How neat is the new Ice Climber stage ^^?

Very neat indeed =)

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

A lot of these new stages appear to be made of pure joy. And as an added bonus, they'll piss off the "1v1 no items Final Destination" crowd, which is always a plus :D

[XxSephirothxX]

I'm not sure I've known anyone who played Melee with items since 9th grade. :p And the less active stages were usually the best to fight on imo. But with the level editor and final smashes, assist trophies, etc., at least they're giving us tons of choices. Everybody can find their balance.

[Ouch!]

Like Azar, I don't really know anybody who actually plays with items, and I've even got random on Melee set so that it only plays tournament approved levels.

[Markus. D]

I'm not sure I've known anyone who played Melee with items since 9th grade. :p And the less active stages were usually the best to fight on imo. But with the level editor and final smashes, assist trophies, etc., at least they're giving us tons of choices. Everybody can find their balance.

It definetly helps me come to reason as to why there are no non-moving levels as of yet.

Because we can just make 'em <3

[Evastio]

I like the new Ice Climbers level. I like how they added the vegetables from the Ice Climber game and how they also added the Balloon Fighter fish.

Because we can just make 'em <3
You can also make your own Final Destination as well which'll save you the trouble of going through so much to try to unlock it.

Of course, I'll still try to unlock the real Final Destination. The backgrounds and the music in that level are really awesome and I wouldn't want to miss out on it.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I like the new Ice Climbers level. I like how they added the vegetables from the Ice Climber game and how they also added the Balloon Fighter fish.

Because we can just make 'em <3
You can also make your own Final Destination as well which'll save you the trouble of going through so much to try to unlock it.

Of course, I'll still try to unlock the real Final Destination. The backgrounds and the music in that level are really awesome and I wouldn't want to miss out on it.

not to mention, typically if you play the game enough you'll unlock everything. They don't exactly make it hard to unlock things in smash bros. And with all these character announcements, it makes me wonder if there will be any secret characters.... hmmm....

THE JACKEL

[demondude]

I just watched the first trailer and when kirby was fighting on the halberd I swear he pulled out his hammer.

[Skyblade]

I just watched the first trailer and when kirby was fighting on the halberd I swear he pulled out his hammer.

Good catch. Indeed he does.

[Monol]

Hopfully it doesnt suck this time ;)

Its hammer time! :pinkelephant:

:cool: Cant touch this :cool:

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I just watched the first trailer and when kirby was fighting on the halberd I swear he pulled out his hammer.

Good catch. Indeed he does.

So he does. Of course, as my roomate says, anything is subject to change. We shall see.

[Ultima Shadow]

I didn't notice the stage making thingy until now, but holy crap! It's like a dream come true. Now I'll REALLY be able to play this game forever!

I just got twice as excited about this game as I was earlier. :hyper: :excited: :hyper:

[Heath]

Like Azar, I don't really know anybody who actually plays with items, and I've even got random on Melee set so that it only plays tournament approved levels.

Really? My friends and I always play with items just because they make the game more unbalanced and more fun, really. Sometimes my friends have 'Pokebattles' where you can't attack, the only items are Pokeballs, and the only thing you can do is throw Pokeball items. That's fun once or twice but gets a bit irritating after that.

[Lawr]

I wonder how they're gonna do Snakes' Final Smash.

[Rase]

Given the fact that Fox gets the Landmaster, I don't think a Metal Gear coming in is too out of the question. Or perhaps a Hind-D helicopter.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Given the fact that Fox gets the Landmaster, I don't think a Metal Gear coming in is too out of the question. Or perhaps a Hind-D helicopter.

Metal Gear is in his stage though, is the problem with that one.

It'd be awesome though.

[Evastio]

Meta Knight's Final Smash seems a bit unreliable compared to the other ones. I guess they can't make everyone's Final Smashes always hit someone 100%...

I was wondering, what do you guys think of all the demands for Bill Cosby to be in Brawl? (Try googling Bill Cosby SSBB and see what I mean)

[Rase]

Given the fact that Fox gets the Landmaster, I don't think a Metal Gear coming in is too out of the question. Or perhaps a Hind-D helicopter.

Metal Gear is in his stage though, is the problem with that one.

It'd be awesome though.
Ah, right. Forgot that. Well perhaps they'll be all tricky and give him whichever one isn't in the background. Though the fact that one is there period does make me think it will be something else now.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Meta Knight's Final Smash seems a bit unreliable compared to the other ones. I guess they can't make everyone's Final Smashes always hit someone 100%...

Actually, a lot of Final Smashes seem to require a certain level of accuracy to pull off. I just hope they make it more devastating to compensate for the higher difficulty of using it, since it is one of the more inaccurate ones. Although he may just be one of the more superior characters and thus be balanced by a bad Final Smash.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Meta Knight's Final Smash seems a bit unreliable compared to the other ones. I guess they can't make everyone's Final Smashes always hit someone 100%...

Actually, a lot of Final Smashes seem to require a certain level of accuracy to pull off. I just hope they make it more devastating to compensate for the higher difficulty of using it, since it is one of the more inaccurate ones. Although he may just be one of the more superior characters and thus be balanced by a bad Final Smash.

well from what it seems, if he hits one person with his cape, he hits every person when the screen goes black. Links requires you to aim, but seems to be an auto kill everytime. Ike's also requires you to aim, and seems to do a lot of damage and probably kill everytime as well.

THE JACKEL

[Skyblade]

If Jigglypuff returns, it will rock even more in team battles. Sing an opponent to sleep, then your partner hits with a low accuracy, but very very high powered Final Smash. It's easy to aim at a stationary target...

[Markus. D]

Awwww, Not a terrific update.


But I guess it puts filler in till the release date ^^

[KentaRawr!]

I bet Snake's Final Smash will be the Metal Gear seen in Metal Gear 2 (http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/images/Metal_Gear_D_specs.png), driven by Gray Fox! Penis rail-gun included.

[Skyblade]

Awwww, Not a terrific update.


But I guess it puts filler in till the release date ^^

*Shrug* The announcement of classic mode wasn't exactly terrific either. But it can't be easy to come out with something new everyday.

I mean, would you rather see:
"Hey, the team spent all day talking with the directors explaining why the game had to be delayed, here's a copy of the discussion"

[Markus. D]

xD, Yeah, Filler until the release date :3

[Skyblade]

The Fire Emblem theme and Fox's video is up.

Fire Emblem's theme is nice (though I think the page has more lyrics on it than we heard in the song). While I miss the SSBM Fire Emblem music a little, this is a fair successor.

Fox's video paused at the second right when the green dragon popped up from the lake (it had to load more before it could go on), but even from a bad angle with water blocking some of the image, it was unmistakable, I knew it was Rayquaza. And then we get to see what a legendary Pokemon can do to an Arwing. :D

[Evastio]

I liked the old Fire Emblem Music in SSBM as well.

As for the Adventure Mode Clip, it was quite good. Although it leaves me with a lot of questions.

[Lawr]

*Please put Rayquaza as a character*

If they did anyway, it probably would be too big. But nothing ventured nothing gained :D

[Evastio]

*Please put Rayquaza as a character*

If they did anyway, it probably would be too big. But nothing ventured nothing gained :D
I doubt it. But it would be nice. I also wanted Dark Matter from Kirby's Dream Land 3 to be playable. It'd be so cool playing as a floating eyeball who shoots blood and eyeballs. You don't get to do that in many video games.

If anything they'll add well known Pokemon like Plusle and Minun and Lucario as playable characters.

[Skyblade]

Rayquaza might wind up as a Pokeball Pokemon though, as I suspect many of the others will. Given that the Pokemon roster seems to have been reduced since Melee, I don't think they'll add in more playable Pokemon.

[Elite Lord Sigma]

This one just confirms some returning items. The Beam Sword now is even better than ever before.

[Evastio]

I wasn't particularly impressed with today's update. I guess it's nice to know that they won't be updating each old item separately.

For some reason, I think they should add Micaiah to Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I also think they should somehow make reference to Pokemon XD and Pokemon Colosseum even if they don't add a character or a level from those games. Adding a few songs from those games would be more than enough for me (especially since the music in those games are awesome. I'd really want the Regular and Simulation battle songs to be in there). It's probably too late for that though.

[Rase]

Frank Jaeger, aka Gray Fox, is now a confirmed Assist Trophy. Also, a brief overview of how to throw.

[Skyblade]

Frank Jaeger, aka Gray Fox, is now a confirmed Assist Trophy. Also, a brief overview of how to throw.

Fixed.

I still find the image of Sonic using a Fire Flower so...weird.

[Heath]

Frank Jaeger, aka Gray Fox, is now a confirmed Assist Trophy. Also, a brief overview of how to throw.

Fixed.

I still find the image of Sonic using a Fire Flower so...weird.

Yeah, tell me about it. It's just like when Sonic games started appearing on Nintendo consoles all over again.

Beam Sword is looking awesome as ever.

[Evastio]

They better not have too many Sonic and Snake assist trophies.................


Yeah, tell me about it. It's just like when Sonic games started appearing on Nintendo consoles all over again.
Yeah. Except this time Sonic is actually appearing in a Nintendo game that he shouldn't even be allowed near.................

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games was okay since Nintendo and Sega were the main companies that were supposed to make the game. The Super Smash Bros. series is suppose to be made by Nintendo and other companies (Game Freak, HAL Labratories, etc.) that support Nintendo. That's how it's been for the past two games and they shouldn't have made an exception for this one.

[Rase]

I still fail to see how incorporating third party's is a bad thing in any way. Regardless, they're doing it, so continually complaining about it will do nothing.

[Evastio]

How couldn't it not be bad? By sticking Snake in there they've made the game much more violent and have raised the ESRB Rating significantly. Characters in Nintendo games aren't suppose to be using nothing but machine guns, realistic explosives like grenades, and other realistic weapons. Besides, Snake would've been better off being in Halo or a game where he'd actually fit in.

As for Sonic he's overrated and will take away from the Nintendo feel of the game. Too many people will be using him which will destroy the purpose of the Smash Bros. series: having Nintendo characters battle it out and see who'll be victorious. If everyone starts using Sonic and the third party characters that'll no longer be the case and it'll just be some game where everyone will use anyone that isn't from Nintendo which will ruin the Smash Bros. series. You can go ahead and say that people won't be bad enough to use only 3rd party characters but it won't be true. Having no 3rd party characters will make sure that this has absolutely no chance of happening and will ensure that the Super Smash Bros. series won't be heading downhill as a result from them.

You could stick them all in some sort of game that's not Nintendo but uses the same system as the Smash Bros. series and I'd be more than okay with it. But having them with Nintendo characters is wrong and will destroy the Smash Bros. feel to the game.

[Rase]

How couldn't it not be bad? By sticking Snake in there they've made the game much more violent and have raised the ESRB Rating significantly. Characters in Nintendo games aren't suppose to be using nothing but machine guns, realistic explosives like grenades, and other realistic weapons. Besides, Snake would've been better off being in Halo or a game where he'd actually fit in.
Brawl is rated Teen, just as Melee is. Going solely from Melee the fighters have used laser weapons, "realistic explosives" (Motion-Sensor Mine anyone?), swords (of regular and beam variety), and items such as bats. Sounds pretty violent to me. Also, Snake would be quite out of place in Halo, based off the different genres, settings, weapons, etc.


As for Sonic he's overrated and will take away from the Nintendo feel of the game. Too many people will be using him which will destroy the purpose of the Smash Bros. series: having Nintendo characters battle it out and see who'll be victorious. If everyone starts using Sonic and the third party characters that'll no longer be the case and it'll just be some game where everyone will use anyone that isn't from Nintendo which will ruin the Smash Bros. series.
I for one plan to try out Sonic, but I doubt I'll stick with him. He looks simply too fast for my style of play, and I'm sure many others will feel this way. I actually may like to use Snake, and if I do, so what? If who I play as ruins the experience for you, tough. I for one don't like fighting Sheik or Falco, but I don't think they should be removed. Seeing as how there are what, two third party characters right now, and let's say two more down the pipe. That's four total, compared to the vast majority of Nintendo characters. I somehow doubt Nintendo will make those for so amazingly unbalanced that they will be the only ones used.

Oh, and maybe it's just me, but the purpose of Smash Bros. has never been "having Nintendo characters battle it out and see who'll be victorious". It's been about having a good time playing a video game. If I still have that good time while using Sonic or Snake, I fail to see a problem.


You can go ahead and say that people won't be bad enough to use only 3rd party characters but it won't be true.
Glad you came from the future to report this to us. Again, if some people prefer the 3rd party characters, so what? If someone prefers to play as Link or Heihachi or Spawn in Soul Calibur II, does that ruin the game?


Having no 3rd party characters will make sure that this has absolutely no chance of happening and will ensure that the Super Smash Bros. series won't be heading downhill as a result from them.
True. But again, where is any proof that the series has gone downhill because of them? All the gameplay footage I've seen looks to be incredibly fun, even if Sonic is being used. Point out where it's gone downhill to me as far as gameplay.


You could stick them all in some sort of game that's not Nintendo but uses the same system as the Smash Bros. series and I'd be more than okay with it. But having them with Nintendo characters is wrong and will destroy the Smash Bros. feel to the game.
Why make two different games that are the same, only with different characters? Also, I have yet to hear why third party characters are bad other than it makes you unhappy with the game. If they unbalanced the game or something I'd understand, but as long as the core gameplay stays the same I see no problem. So if Sonic was some really fast Nintendo character, yet retained the same moves and stats and such you'd have no problem?

[Markus. D]

Lucas's moveset is very lovely indeed.

[NGU]

I can't wait!!

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

He approaches stealthily with lithe jumps, coming right in then slicing repeatedly. Awww! It makes you want to use him as a playable character. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist11.html)

Sakurai! http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/grokyou/emot-argh.gif

[Lawr]

To me I think the series is going uphill from third-party characters.

Oh and Kishi, I really was hoping for him to be a characteer too, or Raiden.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Lucas's moveset is very lovely indeed.

I like the new Ness, I'm sure PK freeze will end up being more useful than PK flash was

THE JACKEL

[Skyblade]

True, but I'm a little sad that it means that Ness won't be returning.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

It doesn't, though. It's not as if past Smash games haven't had different characters with very similar, if not identical, move sets.

[Crossblades]

It doesn't, though. It's not as if past Smash games haven't had different characters with very similar, if not identical, move sets.

Mario and Luigi is a perfect example of that

[ljkkjlcm9]

It doesn't, though. It's not as if past Smash games haven't had different characters with very similar, if not identical, move sets.

Mario and Luigi is a perfect example of that

except, they specifically said no clone characters in Brawl. Don't ask me to look it up, it was said at some point in time. Which is why most people think Luigi will probably have his vacuum or something. They gave Mario F.L.U.D.D. probably to further differentiate between the two characters, if they're both in Brawl

THE JACKEL

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

It wouldn't be a "clone" situation anyway. Lucas's physical attacks are already different from Ness's.

[Craig]

There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users.

Obviously that's doesn't mean Ness definately won't be in, but it kinda implies that he won't.

[Skyblade]

It wouldn't be a "clone" situation anyway. Lucas's physical attacks are already different from Ness's.

Yes, and Dr. Mario shot pills instead of fireballs. It's still a clone situation. 3 of the 4 special moves are the same (the PK Fire difference is so small as to be non-existant, like the difference between Pichu's Thundershock and Pikachu's Thundershock). Lucas is a Ness clone, so Ness almost certainly isn't going to be there.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

It wouldn't be a "clone" situation anyway. Lucas's physical attacks are already different from Ness's.

Yes, and Dr. Mario shot pills instead of fireballs. It's still a clone situation. 3 of the 4 special moves are the same (the PK Fire difference is so small as to be non-existant, like the difference between Pichu's Thundershock and Pikachu's Thundershock). Lucas is a Ness clone, so Ness almost certainly isn't going to be there.

Ness could be given an entirely new moveset, which I would much appreciate. I'm all for seeing PK Rockin'.

[Skyblade]

It wouldn't be a "clone" situation anyway. Lucas's physical attacks are already different from Ness's.

Yes, and Dr. Mario shot pills instead of fireballs. It's still a clone situation. 3 of the 4 special moves are the same (the PK Fire difference is so small as to be non-existant, like the difference between Pichu's Thundershock and Pikachu's Thundershock). Lucas is a Ness clone, so Ness almost certainly isn't going to be there.

Ness could be given an entirely new moveset, which I would much appreciate. I'm all for seeing PK Rockin'.

True, but I think it would be far more likely for them to have given Lucas a new moveset, and to have kept Ness' the way it was. If you notice, the veterans aren't exactly having huge overhauls to their movesets.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

It wouldn't be a "clone" situation anyway. Lucas's physical attacks are already different from Ness's.

Yes, and Dr. Mario shot pills instead of fireballs. It's still a clone situation. 3 of the 4 special moves are the same (the PK Fire difference is so small as to be non-existant, like the difference between Pichu's Thundershock and Pikachu's Thundershock). Lucas is a Ness clone, so Ness almost certainly isn't going to be there.

Ness could be given an entirely new moveset, which I would much appreciate. I'm all for seeing PK Rockin'.

True, but I think it would be far more likely for them to have given Lucas a new moveset, and to have kept Ness' the way it was. If you notice, the veterans aren't exactly having huge overhauls to their movesets.

I'm pointedly ignoring this fact in favor of blind hope :cry:

[Skyblade]

Personally, I think the whole Lucas/Ness thing is a perfect example of why clones should be left in. So what if two characters play nearly identically? Each person has their own reasons for playing the characters they choose, and it isn't always because they think the character has awesome moves. Most of us like Ness. Hell, I liked Pichu for goodness' sakes (yeah, he sucked, and I knew that but I still found his odd attack style and quirky movements fun enough to play. He wasn't nearly my favorite, and I think they made a stupid decision in giving self-damaging attacks to the lightest character in the game, but I would have rather seen him reworked than axed. Pichu with his tiny Beam Sword held in his mouth...). What's wrong with duplicating a moveset if it means that fans get to keep working with characters they know and love?

[Craig]

Personally, I think the whole Lucas/Ness thing is a perfect example of why clones should be left in. So what if two characters play nearly identically? Each person has their own reasons for playing the characters they choose, and it isn't always because they think the character has awesome moves. Most of us like Ness. Hell, I liked Pichu for goodness' sakes (yeah, he sucked, and I knew that but I still found his odd attack style and quirky movements fun enough to play. He wasn't nearly my favorite, and I think they made a stupid decision in giving self-damaging attacks to the lightest character in the game, but I would have rather seen him reworked than axed. Pichu with his tiny Beam Sword held in his mouth...). What's wrong with duplicating a moveset if it means that fans get to keep working with characters they know and love?

hey, anything that means i could get wind waker link in the game works for me

[Shoeberto]

Personally, I think the whole Lucas/Ness thing is a perfect example of why clones should be left in. So what if two characters play nearly identically? Each person has their own reasons for playing the characters they choose, and it isn't always because they think the character has awesome moves. Most of us like Ness. Hell, I liked Pichu for goodness' sakes (yeah, he sucked, and I knew that but I still found his odd attack style and quirky movements fun enough to play. He wasn't nearly my favorite, and I think they made a stupid decision in giving self-damaging attacks to the lightest character in the game, but I would have rather seen him reworked than axed. Pichu with his tiny Beam Sword held in his mouth...). What's wrong with duplicating a moveset if it means that fans get to keep working with characters they know and love?

hey, anything that means i could get wind waker link in the game works for me
Okay so now I'm hoping they'll announce this.

[KentaRawr!]

No one seems to be mentioning this little line here:


There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, ...

So, judging by this statement, one could infer that Ness is out.

[Evastio]

Lucas' moveset being updated makes me happy but worried at the same time. It's great that his physical attacks are different from Ness' but his B moves are way too similar. It's almost as if Ness isn't going to be added in Brawl which is just wrong. He was in all of the Smash Bros. games and that shouldn't have changed here...

Also Skyblade, I also liked using Pichu. His quick dodge roll and small size makes him really hard to hit. He also has the best taunt in the game (the one where he faces the right and taunts). They better add him in Brawl (preferrably with different moves like Charm). Otherwise, there'll be no playable Pokemon that'll represent the 2nd Generation.

Brawl is rated Teen, just as Melee is. Going solely from Melee the fighters have used laser weapons, "realistic explosives" (Motion-Sensor Mine anyone?), swords (of regular and beam variety), and items such as bats. Sounds pretty violent to me. Also, Snake would be quite out of place in Halo, based off the different genres, settings, weapons, etc.
Practically all of Snake's recent games are rated M though. You want Super Smash Bros. Brawl to be changed to a rated M game just like Halo? The Smash Bros. series low violence ratings is what makes them stand out from Halo. Even if Brawl most likely won’t be rated M because of Snake being in it there’s still that chance. And I know that swords and bats are realistic weapons but who uses those anymore? You won't see a serial killer or someone in a war fighting using those. Swords were weapons of the past which makes them unrealistic to use today. As for bats, they aren’t really meant to be used for weapons. Also, beam swords are just a science fiction weapon and the motion sensor mine is also too futuristic of a weapon even though they do exist in real life. Those weapons fit along with the science fictional feeling of the Starfox and F-Zero series (even if the F-Zero series has people barely using weapons). Machines guns on the other hand were and still are used here in the present which make them more realistic and less Nintendoish than those other weapons.


I for one plan to try out Sonic, but I doubt I'll stick with him. He looks simply too fast for my style of play, and I'm sure many others will feel this way. I actually may like to use Snake, and if I do, so what? If who I play as ruins the experience for you, tough. I for one don't like fighting Sheik or Falco, but I don't think they should be removed. Seeing as how there are what, two third party characters right now, and let's say two more down the pipe. That's four total, compared to the vast majority of Nintendo characters. I somehow doubt Nintendo will make those for so amazingly unbalanced that they will be the only ones used.

Oh, and maybe it's just me, but the purpose of Smash Bros. has never been "having Nintendo characters battle it out and see who'll be victorious". It's been about having a good time playing a video game. If I still have that good time while using Sonic or Snake, I fail to see a problem.
The point I was trying to make was that Sonic isn’t Nintendo. Even if I do get frustrated at being defeated by Falco a lot I don’t want him removed from the game because he is as Nintendo related as Yoshi and Captain Falcon. Also, if Nintendo made Sonic and Snake absolutely suck in the game to the point where Pichu (one of my favourite characters) could even defeat armies of them there’ll still be people using them only just because they’re 3rd party characters. If everyone starts only using Sonic and Snake (which probably won’t happen but is still entirely possible) the game will lose its Nintendo feel which ruin what the Super Smash Bros. series is all about. The previous two Smash Bros. games were solely Nintendo and their other companies that help them make their games (Game Freak, HAL, APE, etc.) and that shouldn’t have changed for the third one.


Glad you came from the future to report this to us. Again, if some people prefer the 3rd party characters, so what? If someone prefers to play as Link or Heihachi or Spawn in Soul Calibur II, does that ruin the game?
Playing as those characters doesn’t ruin the game. But when someone uses those characters only and doesn’t ever try out the characters that are owned by Namco that’s when it ruins it. Even if many people wanted Snake and Sonic in Brawl some of them will probably just try them out only and quit using Nintendo characters.


where is any proof that the series has gone downhill because of them? All the gameplay footage I've seen looks to be incredibly fun, even if Sonic is being used. Point out where it's gone downhill to me as far as gameplay.
How it could go downhill with the gameplay is if people only use third party characters. The game wouldn’t feel like a Smash Bros. game anymore because nobody would be using Nintendo characters. It’d just feel like some sort of game where everyone that isn’t Nintendo fights each other while characters that are from Nintendo just sit and rot on the character roster. That was never what Super Smash Bros. was supposed to be about.


Why make two different games that are the same, only with different characters? Also, I have yet to hear why third party characters are bad other than it makes you unhappy with the game. If they unbalanced the game or something I'd understand, but as long as the core gameplay stays the same I see no problem. So if Sonic was some really fast Nintendo character, yet retained the same moves and stats and such you'd have no problem?
If Sonic and Snake were Nintendo and not Sega and Konami I’d be more than okay with having them in Brawl (maybe not Snake since he’s an excessively violent character). They aren’t though. As you said before you wouldn’t like it if the 3rd party characters unbalanced the game. If people use those characters only that’s what will happen. Also, since so many people are pleased with Snake and Sonic’s appearance in Brawl it has a good chance of happening.

Basically having 3rd party characters gives people the chance of using them only. If they used a few 3rd party character and some other Nintendo characters I’d be okay with it. But there’ll always be those people that will never use any of the Nintendo characters because they’ll be using non-Nintendo characters instead. The best way to ensure that people will not be using 3rd party characters all the time is to remove them. It doesn’t have much of a chance of happening but if it does they might as well let Konami or Sega be in charge of making Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I know it sucks but unless there’s some other way to prevent that there’s nothing else that can be done to ensure that the Smash Bros. series stays mostly Nintendo.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I completely disagree with every argument you made.

Firstly, the weapons you listed as not really violent, are far more violent. Kill someone with a gun, it's possible with 1 bullet, in the heart, and you barely see anything. Kill someone with a baseball bat, well, it's pretty brutal. Simply enough, Snake will fit in fine to the game, you already know his special moves, and they're no more violent than any of the already usable items.

People will not be using these characters exclusively, unless Nintendo accidentally balanced them to be the best. I personally use every character except the big slow ones, so I'll be using them sometimes. But the simple fact is, the majority of competitive players will use whatever character is best, regardless. The other casual players, will play with the ones they know.

and uhm, I'm sure there are more people that will refuse to use Snake or Sonic, than will only play with them.
Saying some people will only use them is an absurd argument. Some people only use Link, cause they think he's cooler. Some only use female characters just because. Some only use Mario because he is Nintendo. Some only use Fox, because he was the best in Melee, by most people's standards. Some only use Pikachu, because they love pokemon. etc.

it is far far more likely most people will start out using fox, than any other character.

THE JACKEL

[Skyblade]

Evastio, I understand where you're coming from, but I disagree with your conclusions.

First, I doubt that the introduction of Snake will have any negative aspect on the game. His owners begged Nintendo to let him in, knowing full well what sort of game SSB was, and Nintendo accepted, knowing exactly what sort of character Snake is. They would not have done that if they felt that it would cause a shift in the game's focus away from the feel that has made it beloved by fans around the world. Look at the conversations between Snake and his team that were made for the game. Clearly, they're working to bring out a lighter side and fit him in as much as possible, and I think they have done an incredible job of it.

Second, I disagree. The original idea of SSB was to give the Nintendo All Stars a chance to let loose on each other, but that was not the primary draw of the game. It was gamers getting the opportunity to play their favorite characters from so many different series all together in a light, fun environment. People won't work with Snake or Sonic just because they are third party characters. They will work with them because they are characters that they have known and loved through years of gaming, just like all the rest of the SSB crew. There are plenty of people who will never abandon Link, Captain Falcon, Mario, Donkey Kong, Pikachu, Ice Climbers, or Kirby (that's me!) for the same reason. The game is about more than Nintendo, it's about all the best characters in gaming being thrown together to have fun. Nintendo will always be the driving soul behind SSB, and they'll ensure that the quality and feel of the game remains what has caused it to reach to gamers from every genre, every age group. Adding more characters from more sources will only give more gamers the opportunity to pick up their favorites and just have fun with them. Bring them in, and let them fight it out!

[Evastio]

…

I guess you do have some valid points there Skyblade. Although you have to admit that Zero Suit Samus conversation was a little inappropriate. But I guess I could think of Snake’s conversations like audial character descriptions kind of like how trophys have character descriptions. I’m just hoping that the remainder of Snake’s moves that haven’t been shown aren’t too violent (they did say that his smash attacks are going to be different compared to other characters).

As for people using 3rd party characters all the time I know that it has a very slim chance of happening. I’m just worried about having it happen. But I guess you’re right about most people not abandoning their favourites (I know I won’t be abandoning the Ice Climbers, Mario, Bowser, Yoshi, Marth, Luigi, Falco, and Pichu if they still stay in Brawl). It’s going to be a little sad for the people that do though.

I guess I'm a little more okay about having them in (I'm still not completely okay with it yet though).

[NeoCracker]

So what if they use third party characters all the time? That just means they enjoy using those characters and have more fun with them them the others.

[Skyblade]

…

I guess you do have some valid points there Skyblade. Although you have to admit that Zero Suit Samus conversation was a little inappropriate. But I guess I could think of Snake’s conversations like audial character descriptions kind of like how trophys have character descriptions. I’m just hoping that the remainder of Snake’s moves that haven’t been shown aren’t too violent (they did say that his smash attacks are going to be different compared to other characters).

As for people using 3rd party characters all the time I know that it has a very slim chance of happening. I’m just worried about having it happen. But I guess you’re right about most people not abandoning their favourites (I know I won’t be abandoning the Ice Climbers, Mario, Bowser, Yoshi, Marth, Luigi, Falco, and Pichu if they still stay in Brawl). It’s going to be a little sad for the people that do though.

I guess I'm a little more okay about having them in (I'm still not completely okay with it yet though).

His smash attacks use heavy weaponry. That doesn't make them any more violent than, for example, Samus's special abilities. He just adds them to his Smash attacks to give them a little more power. I kind of like the idea, as it makes me wonder if he might have fairly weak punch/kick normal attacks, but make up for it with heavy weaponry based smash attacks.

But don't worry. I'm sure the first time that Sonic gets sent out of the arena by a Home-Run Bat, or Snake gets swallowed and we see commando Kirby, you'll find that everything is right with the world.

[Markus. D]

Norfair~~~~

Looks BRILLIANT!

[ljkkjlcm9]

Norfair~~~~

Looks BRILLIANT!

yes and no

I want some plain old boring levels, where I'm not more worried about the stage killing me than other people

THE JACKEL

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Norfair~~~~

Looks BRILLIANT!

yes and no

I want some plain old boring levels, where I'm not more worried about the stage killing me than other people

THE JACKAL

I'm quite the opposite, I heartily endorse crazy stages since to me, that's a lot of what Smash Bros. is about. Every stage I see that I know my school's Smash Club will instantly ban warms my twisted black heart.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Norfair~~~~

Looks BRILLIANT!

yes and no

I want some plain old boring levels, where I'm not more worried about the stage killing me than other people

THE JACKAL

I'm quite the opposite, I heartily endorse crazy stages since to me, that's a lot of what Smash Bros. is about. Every stage I see that I know my school's Smash Club will instantly ban warms my twisted black heart.
see they're fun sometimes yes, but half the time people stop fighting, and just worry about the stage killing them. I already know I'm going to create a giant box for one of my maps, and that's it, walls, ceiling, everything. Completely pound on everyone box

THE JACKEL

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

I want some plain old boring levels, where I'm not more worried about the stage killing me than other peopleBattlefield (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage01.html)
Delfino Plaza (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage02.html)
Yoshi's Island (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage03.html)
Lylat Cruise (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage04.html)
Smashville (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage06.html)

You're all set!

[Markus. D]

Don't forget the stage maker ^-^

[Lawr]

I know it's a little late, but MGS is rated M because of the hidden smut and gore in the game, not because of a Nikita rocket...

[KentaRawr!]

And Eva never zipping her shirt back up.

[Skyblade]

Ike's Final Smash has been unleashed. Great Aether!

Invincibility for the duration of the move, and a very powerful leap-sweep-strike move. I'm not totally happy with its similarity to his up special attack, but I'll wait to see it in action before I judge.

[NeoCracker]

Norfair~~~~

Looks BRILLIANT!

yes and no

I want some plain old boring levels, where I'm not more worried about the stage killing me than other people

THE JACKAL

I'm quite the opposite, I heartily endorse crazy stages since to me, that's a lot of what Smash Bros. is about. Every stage I see that I know my school's Smash Club will instantly ban warms my twisted black heart.

I'm about the only one who enjoyed the MEtroid level with the spinning Astroid among all of my friends. It was my favorite.

Though I'm hoping to see far more zany stages than that in the new installment.

[ljkkjlcm9]

taunt update, each character has 3 and each can be assigned a text macro

THE JACKEL

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

SNAAAAAAAAAAKE!

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/grokyou/sumaburax/technique07_071113f-l.jpg

If the scouter didn't seal it, this certainly does. Fox is now Vegeta.

[Markus. D]

IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAANNNND!

xD

[Ouch!]

SNAAAAAAAAAAKE!
Seconded.

[Skyblade]

Link's taunts are fun. His N64 pose and his victory flourish from Twilight Princess.

I'm viewing the addition of taunt messages as both a blessing and a curse. All the terrible taunt messages that will be written (and you know there will be tons) is not something I'm looking forward to, despite the sheer fun of being able to create my own.

"Don't make me consult my fairy on you!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1tODpr_afA) Terrible vid, I know, but the line just works for Link's taunt.

[Roto13]

Taunt messages will probably be overused by people playing the game for the first time, but after an hour, they'll probably die out. :P Like the taunts themselves! :D

[Evastio]

The lack of character updates is really pathetic. The last character they added on the roster was King Dedede and that was around 3 weeks ago. I don't see why they didn't update Captain Falcon, Luigi, Ness, or Jigglypuff (if they hopefully make it back) during the last 3 weeks. Even if they updated another 3rd part character like Klonoa, Bomberman, Megaman, or even Mona Lisa or the Pillsbury Doughboy I'd be happy. Yeah, I'm not completely serious about the last two but you get the point.

[XxSephirothxX]

Why's it such a big deal? There's nothing wrong with having a few surprises when the game finally ships. It's pretty unusual to see such a consistent flow of new information about an upcoming game.

[Evastio]

It's just strange to see all of the character roster updates flooding in at first, then slowly being reduced to a trickle. I guess it would spoil the suprise, but I'm sure that they could still be updated characters every two weeks without running out of characters when it comes out.

Also, it kind of makes me doubtful if they'll be adding veterans they they haven't shown yet like Luigi, Ness, Marth, Falco, Pichu, and them. I know they most likely won't be taking them out but as long as they don't update them it's possible that they've been removed.

It's also quite unfair that they've updated the stages, how to play section, the game modes, and other sections twice without having a playable character revealed in between.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Also, it kind of makes me doubtful if they'll be adding veterans they they haven't shown yet like Luigi, Ness, Marth, Falco, Pichu, and them. I know they most likely won't be taking them out but as long as they don't update them it's possible that they've been removed.

I don't believe Ness, Marth, Falco, or Pichu will be making a return
Luigi I'm not even sure of... and if he is, he'll be very different probably with his vacuum pack

THE JACKEL

[Lawr]

Those sections weren't updated as much earlier, so I guess it's a fair exchange. And when they're done, they'll have their characters ready.

[XxSephirothxX]

It's just strange to see all of the character roster updates flooding in at first, then slowly being reduced to a trickle. I guess it would spoil the suprise, but I'm sure that they could still be updated characters every two weeks without running out of characters when it comes out.

Also, it kind of makes me doubtful if they'll be adding veterans they they haven't shown yet like Luigi, Ness, Marth, Falco, Pichu, and them. I know they most likely won't be taking them out but as long as they don't update them it's possible that they've been removed.

It's also quite unfair that they've updated the stages, how to play section, the game modes, and other sections twice without having a playable character revealed in between.
Why is it unfair? :p They're giving out information. It's nice to get it, period. They certainly could do more character updates, but since many of them have been announced already, it makes sense they'd slow down as they go.

If they're not doing clones in this game then it seems fairly likely that Marth and Roy would be cut in place of Ike, Falco would be gone, Ness would be gone, and Pichu would be gone. I can't imagine Luigi not being in it, though. I imagine quite a few classic characters who haven't been announced yet will end up returning with new moves, but who knows. I don't really care, though, Fox and Sonic make me a pretty happy camper.

[Ouch!]

Also, it kind of makes me doubtful if they'll be adding veterans they they haven't shown yet like Luigi, Ness, Marth, Falco, Pichu, and them. I know they most likely won't be taking them out but as long as they don't update them it's possible that they've been removed.
Keep in mind that the character designer for the Zelda series has confirmed that he worked on the designs for both Sheik and Ganondorf (that article was somewhere further back in the thread), so there definitely are some unconfirmed veterans. I wouldn't worry quite yet.

[Fire_Emblem776]

Lol link got his N64 pose!!

[Roto13]

The last two updates sucked and the one before that was mediocre. Maybe they'll reveal something awesome on Friday or something.

[Monol]

I got a good feeling about tommorow *sniffs the air* Ohhh yeah its gonna be sweet...call me on it :cool:

[Rase]

Got my preorder in today when picking up MoH: Heroes 2. Since Feb. 10 is a Sunday I hope to get all homework done Saturday and just have a big Smash party that day with some friends.

[Markus. D]

Handicap~

It's... kinda the same... just... differs-ish-ness?

[ljkkjlcm9]

meta-knight's special moves, which were kinda told before, but definitely need to try this character out

me thinks they're not updating much this week cause of Mario galaxy >.>

THE JACKEL

[Rase]

I'm more happy with the "Meta Knight's Revenge" song. It's quite catchy. :D

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I seriously need to both play as Meta Knight and get the soundtrack for this game.

[Lawr]

Yes, looking forward to trying out ALL of the characters and finding that one.

[Markus. D]

Maybe the next update will be the Main Title Screen or something :]...

...

[scrumpleberry]

Maybe the next update will be the Main Title Screen or something :]...

...

Perhaps even how it looks on the Wii screen!

[Evastio]

(Looks at everyone expecting me to be disappointed)

I was actually hoping that I'd eventually get to hear the Halberd music. I'm glad I finally got to today. It brings back so many memories. It's just a shame that they didn't upload the whole song.

I'm also glad that they did two updates since updating Meta Knight's moves was a little redundant (at least I know how the Triple Dash Drill Rush and Dimensional Cape work now).

Also, has anyone noticed the incorrect date (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/index.html) for Meta Knight's music on the Music Page?

[Skyblade]

(Looks at everyone expecting me to be disappointed)

I was actually hoping that I'd eventually get to hear the Halberd music. I'm glad I finally got to today. It brings back so many memories. It's just a shame that they didn't upload the whole song.

I'm also glad that they did two updates since updating Meta Knight's moves was a little redundant (at least I know how the Triple Dash Drill Rush and Dimensional Cape work now).

Also, has anyone noticed the incorrect date (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/index.html) for Meta Knight's music on the Music Page?

Indeed. It reminded me so much of the SNES Kirby Superstar. Which is, really, the basis for Super Smash Bros. Seriously, go out and play the game. The controls are nearly identical, and there is even a Master Hand battle in that game.

And none of the full songs are on that page. It makes me sad.

[No.78]

I am soooooo excited for this gaaaaaaame.

[Sidderz]

I'm excited for this game, I love how the website is updated so oftenly.

^^;

[JKTrix]

Spectator! Now with Gambling!

Why limit the betting to spectator matches though? It should be an option for online matches as well!

[Skyblade]

Spectator! Now with Gambling!

Why limit the betting to spectator matches though? It should be an option for online matches as well!

Standard rules of games. Participants aren't allowed to take part in the betting. Keeps things honest. Wouldn't want people to throw games to get coins.

[Ultima Shadow]

yes and no

I want some plain old boring levels, where I'm not more worried about the stage killing me than other people

THE JACKALActually, once you get used to the stages, it won't be as much of a problem as you make it sound. I mean... sure, regarding the F-Zero stages, I agree with what you said. On those stages I also usually get killed by the stage rather than by my opponents. But on stages like, for example, Pokefloat you can just memorize where and when all the pokemons will appear. Then you won't have to worry about the stage randomly killing you anymore. I'm never (or atleast very, very rarely) stage-KO'ed on Pokefloat, Rainbow Ride, Corneria, the metroid stages etc. So it's not that bad with a moving stage, really.

That said, I do agree that some more non-moving stages wouldn't hurt. But hey, we got the freaking STAGE MAKER (aka god's greatest creation)!

[KentaRawr!]

Y'know, I wonder if we'll be able to create moving stages. That would be interesting indeed.

[Ultima Shadow]

Y'know, I wonder if we'll be able to create moving stages. That would be interesting indeed.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/926/lolwutwtfdb5.jpg

I'm genius. :cool:

[Markus. D]

lawl xD

[Lawr]

*Genius

[Evastio]

Looks like we finally get to see the Ice Climber's Final Smash. I don't exactly get how it works though. (How are you suppose to freeze people with the iceberg once it comes down? Is the iceberg suppose to replace the level or something?)

As for the betting, it's something that wasn't exactly needed but oh well.

[Skyblade]

hey, anything that means i could get wind waker link in the game works for me

Unfortunately, your last hope for that seems to have been shot down. Alternate colors this time include several alternate costumes. For example, Dark Link, Fusion Suit Samus... Unfortunately, looking at Fusion Suit Samus, you'll see that it is actually the Varia Suit with the Fusion Suit color scheme applied to it. While this combo looks awesome, it means that other alternates will work the same way, and cell shaded Link is too different stylistically from the more realistic Links for me to think he'll be brought in. Sorry, Craig.

[JKTrix]

Melee had Young Link in it, he could easily have a 'costume change' to fit Celda Link. Unless they make him a character all his own separate from/replacing Young Link.

I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about how I'd like to see a Colour Edit mode in the game. Super Mario Galaxy has (small spoiler) Flying Mario, and it would be awesome if I were able to use the Flying Mario colour scheme in the game. If it wasn't included in the preset costumes, I'd have liked to be able to mix n' match the colours myself. Today's update seems like that won't be happening though, so I really hope they include Flying Mario's colours.

[Craig]

hey, anything that means i could get wind waker link in the game works for me

Unfortunately, your last hope for that seems to have been shot down. Alternate colors this time include several alternate costumes. For example, Dark Link, Fusion Suit Samus... Unfortunately, looking at Fusion Suit Samus, you'll see that it is actually the Varia Suit with the Fusion Suit color scheme applied to it. While this combo looks awesome, it means that other alternates will work the same way, and cell shaded Link is too different stylistically from the more realistic Links for me to think he'll be brought in. Sorry, Craig.

I was actually hoping he'd be a completely seperate character with his own move set including stuff from Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass, or maybe stuff from the other games with that style of Link like all the Four Sword/Minish Cap games.

But that doesn't seem likely either because I don't think 2 Links would make sense in Subspace emissary.

But hey, at least we got that Dark Link guy right?

[Skyblade]

Melee had Young Link in it, he could easily have a 'costume change' to fit Celda Link. Unless they make him a character all his own separate from/replacing Young Link.

I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about how I'd like to see a Colour Edit mode in the game. Super Mario Galaxy has (small spoiler) Flying Mario, and it would be awesome if I were able to use the Flying Mario colour scheme in the game. If it wasn't included in the preset costumes, I'd have liked to be able to mix n' match the colours myself. Today's update seems like that won't be happening though, so I really hope they include Flying Mario's colours.

Young Link was most definitely a clone character, however, and clones were supposedly removed from the game. And, if my reasons for it not being a costume swap are valid, then he can't show up.

Dark Link's ok, but I'd prefer him if they didn't give him red eyes. He didn't have red eyes in OoT...

[Rase]

They could easily switch up Young Link's move list if they made him Celda Link: Grappling Hook, Cane of Pacci, Gust Jar, Pegasus Boots, Bombchu, Skull Hammer, plus any items he uses that older Link isn't using. Final Smash could be a Four Swords-style thing.

Also, while Dark Link may not have red eyes in Ocarina of Time, he did in Twilight Princess. Since Link & Co. have been remodel to fit this games style, it only makes sense for him to sport them.

Also, looks like Saki Amamiya (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist12.html) from Sin & Punishment: Successor to the Earth is now in as an Assist Trophy. Nice to see another relatively obscure character getting in on this.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Oh hey, Sin and Punishment. My roomate really likes that game, I should play it on our Wii.

[JKTrix]

Yes, yes you should.

Saki isn't playable because his Final Smash would be way unbalanced. He'd turn into an Eva and just kill everyone.

[Skyblade]

Hmm... I wonder how the Pokemon trainer will use the different colorations. I mean, Pikachu gets the hat/goggle/headband thing, but the trainer has three different Pokemon to worry about. Ooh, maybe we'll get shinies! Also, will the trainer himself have a different uniform? I really want to see his new uniforms now...

[Roto13]

I bet the Pokemon trainer gets to be female with a costume change. :P

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

ashleys theme rules

[NeoCracker]

You shall all feel the Wrath of my PK Star Storm!!

[Roto13]

I'm glad that they tend to soften the blow of lame updates like chargeable special moves (they didn't even show any NEW chargeable special moves!) with decent updates like Lucas' Final Smash.


Custom controls. I doubt I'll change it much, but I like the thought of turning off jumping with the control stick. I always use the X button.

Also, for those of you wondering how you'd do a smash attack with the Wii controller, there you go.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I'm glad that they tend to soften the blow of lame updates like chargeable special moves (they didn't even show any NEW chargeable special moves!) with decent updates like Lucas' Final Smash.


Custom controls. I doubt I'll change it much, but I like the thought of turning off jumping with the control stick. I always use the X button.

Also, for those of you wondering how you'd do a smash attack with the Wii controller, there you go.
well I assume you can do it the classic way too, smash the direction and hit the attack.

I may change a few buttons here or there. Like on the NES style controller, if I ever use it, I'd rather A grab or shield than taunt.
for the most part I seem to like the default settings.

THE JACKEL

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I, too, am looking forward to taking jump off the control stick.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I, too, am looking forward to taking jump off the control stick.

it all depends, having that jump there was great for canceling fox's shine, simple as down+B then up immediately, it'd hit everytime and cancel in an instant. Then of course you block and hit down+forward and repeat...lol

THE JACKEL

[Lawr]

Using the remote as a Memory Card. Nintendo GODS.

[Markus. D]

DK's new song is up :D

So is a confirmation of Widescreen support... for those who care :]

[XxSephirothxX]

But some people may not know if they have a normal TV or widescreen TV, and may not even know what difficult terminology like 4:3 or 16:9 means. Right? Who knows all that stuff?
He is a funny man.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I cracked up when I heard that song. Classic Donkey Kong music indeed.

[Markus. D]

I've grown to love the snippet of that Kirby Theme :3

It's really upbeat, but peppy... but serious/peppy... >_<?

[Lawr]

But some people may not know if they have a normal TV or widescreen TV, and may not even know what difficult terminology like 4:3 or 16:9 means. Right? Who knows all that stuff?

It's the ratio of the width to height. :rolleyes2

[KentaRawr!]

I'm liking the WiiChuk controls.

[Evastio]

I liked the Donkey Kong music. Although it is kind of awkward imagining that music playing in Rumble Falls.

[Crossblades]

Wario's finally smash revealed

[Roto13]

Wario Man from the Wario Ware games. That's awesome. xD

[demondude]

Wario's final smash is strange. :/

[Markus. D]

It's odd...

I guess they changed it since the trailer.

[Rase]

Why do you say that? The move that Wario was shown doing at the end of the trailer was his Down+B, the Wario Waft.

[Evastio]

I didn't see that one coming.

I really have to wonder how different the two of them are though...

[Markus. D]

Why do you say that? The move that Wario was shown doing at the end of the trailer was his Down+B, the Wario Waft.

Oh! guess I missed that :3

[Lawr]

I don't really like it that much.
I was expecting something like Yoshi's in that he can continually use a Special Attack for a limited time, like a Super Powered Wario-Waft for his B attack, but I'll wait till I can try it out to make a final judgement.

[Skyblade]

Event matches have returned, and it seems we're going to get plenty of wacky goals. Terrain destruction and forcing Kirby off the Halberd should be great fun. :)

[Markus. D]

Maybe even feet along with the hands o.o~

Or is that being way ambitious...?

[Roto13]

Master Foot. xP

The very first match has King Dedede and Bowser in it. Does that mean they're not unlockable?

[XxSephirothxX]

I suppose they wouldn't be. Interesting.

I can already envision myself hurling a controller against the ground while trying to beat the final event on the hardest difficulty to unlock something. :p

[Skyblade]

Master Foot. xP

The very first match has King Dedede and Bowser in it. Does that mean they're not unlockable?

I doubt any of the characters announced so far will be unlockables. I'm really hoping we'll have a whole new secret group of unlockables. :)

And don't forget Crazy Foot.

[Roto13]

Sakurai already said that any 3rd party characters would be unlockable, so definitely Snake and Sonic.

[Craig]

This update confirms that there won't be any more greedy kings added to the character roster.

[Depression Moon]

OH yes Smash bros. i remember playing the first on my N64. I never played the 2nd, but when I get a Wii, this will be one of the first games I'll get.

[Roto13]

You're definitely missing out.


This update confirms that there won't be any more greedy kings added to the character roster.

Nonsense. Evil King Ganondorf, King of the Gerudo, blah blah blah. He's coming back and he's a king. xP

[Craig]

You're definitely missing out.


This update confirms that there won't be any more greedy kings added to the character roster.

Nonsense. Evil King Ganondorf, King of the Gerudo, blah blah blah. He's coming back and he's a king. xP

ok mr pedantic:choc2:

[Markus. D]

AWESOME new update :D!

Melee stages ^^~

edit: Listen right to the end, it's <3

[Skyblade]

I wonder which stages won't make it. If Captain Falcon doesn't return, will they cut the F-Zero stages? And I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the Game and Watch stage will be gone as well.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I loved the temple stage. if you stayed underneath, you could get hit a ton and still live. I got up to like 600% once without dieing lol

THE JACKEL

[Evastio]

Tomorrow is the day that Brawl was supposed to come out (until Sonic came in and changed that). I just hope that they have a really good update tomorrow to make up for it somewhat.

[Roto13]

The game was not delayed so they could add Sonic. >_>

[Monol]

Well Im not quite sure If someone mentioned this yet but I was reading somwhere and they said somthing about this japanese magazine that is unveiling the "roster" for brawl on december 10. Wether this is just the starting roster (which is what Im assuming) or the full roster isnt clear but I think its quite exciting non the less.

Sorry if thats a bit vauge...heh

Ill keep ya'll posted on the details if anything changes or what not :p

[XxSephirothxX]

And...it's the Smash Bros. Friends list! How exciting.

[Markus. D]

w00t! *toasts bread*

[NeoCracker]

I think they replaced no with "Maybe next time" just to be ass's.

[Lawr]

And...it's the Smash Bros. Friends list! How exciting.

[scrumpleberry]

I think they replaced no with "Maybe next time" just to be ass's.

They should give you multiple options as to what you can put in. Like "uh...I'm taking a bath."

Obvious and arrogant!

Also, I would like to see moar veteran fighters because I'm paranoid that they'll wind up leaving loads out.

[Lawr]

I really want Captain Falcon and Marth. *prays*

[Evastio]

What happened to the good old days when I was always right about updates?

The game was not delayed so they could add Sonic. >_>
I know that’s probably true. However, there’s some strong evidence that leads me to that conclusion (the release date suddenly changing to TBA when Sonic was updated and then having the release date get moved to Feb. 10, 2008 two days after that).

I really want Captain Falcon and Marth. *prays*
I do too. Having those two characters not being in Brawl would be just wrong. They’re the central characters to their series and having someone else represent them would be absolutely awkward. Even if they do have Ike it wouldn’t be fair because he is a new character and he wouldn’t represent the roots of the Fire Emblem series.

Well Im not quite sure If someone mentioned this yet but I was reading somwhere and they said somthing about this japanese magazine that is unveiling the "roster" for brawl on december 10. Wether this is just the starting roster (which is what Im assuming) or the full roster isnt clear but I think its quite exciting non the less.

Sorry if thats a bit vauge...heh

Ill keep ya'll posted on the details if anything changes or what not :p
I guess that means we’re finally getting another character update next week then. It’s about time. I didn’t think they’d put such an odd number of characters (23) on Brawl’s starting Roster. 24 characters seem like a reasonable number to start with.

[Rase]

I know that’s probably true. However, there’s some strong evidence that leads me to that conclusion (the release date suddenly changing to TBA when Sonic was updated and then having the release date get moved to Feb. 10, 2008 two days after that).
I get the feeling Sonic as an update was more of a way to appease people who were bound to be unhappy with the later release date. Whether you like him being included or not, he was the most requested IIRC, so showing that he's in would make a good number of people happier.

[Lawr]

To quelle the rabid fanboys.

[Roto13]

Returning Pokemon. Looks like Mew and Celebi actually do something this time.

Whatever happened to that whole "OMG roster!" thing?

[Markus. D]

I don't remember Conjure CD being a poke skill... oh well.


:D!

[Roto13]

Maybe it's a TM? :P

[Markus. D]

xD!

*shrug*

[ljkkjlcm9]

well coming back from death with your final smash will be nice... for all my friends that I play lol

In a 99 stock match, I finish with over 50 lives, when they're dead lol.

With this and the new way they're doing handicap, I think this will help balance it out between uneven players

THE JACKEL

[Roto13]

Kind of interesting to see how the Smash Ball works. You don't pick it up. That's good, because it won't necessarily give an advantage to faster characters.

[Markus. D]

Pretty song too.

[Lawr]

Im going to go to Item Switch and have only Smash Balls & Bob-ombs and increase the damage ratio to 2.0 and 999% with 99 Stocks.

[JKTrix]

I kinda wanted to post this in the Starfox thread the other day, but it fits here too.

Gamevideos and Points TV had an interview with Dylan Cuthbert over in Japan. This man is apparently the mastermind behind the Super FX chip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_FX) in the SNES, and it all started with his Gameboy game X. It was a 3D game on the original Gameboy.

Site with the interview here (http://points-tv.com/?page_id=29). It includes footage of the X game and some Starfox stuff.

It's pretty interesting how they talk about the history of it, and how gameplay elements from the scrapped 'Starfox 2' made it into following Starfox games. For example, the Strategy elements used in Starfox Command were all going to be part of Starfox 2 way back in the day.

[KentaRawr!]

It's pretty interesting how they talk about the history of it, and how gameplay elements from the scrapped 'Starfox 2' made it into following Starfox games. For example, the Strategy elements used in Starfox Command were all going to be part of Starfox 2 way back in the day.

Don't forget about the programming ideas for the camera being used in Super Mario 64.

[Skyblade]

With being able to edit the Smash Ball drop rate and the new appearance of Pity Final Smashes, I'm wondering if characters are still going to be able to only use one Final Smash per battle.

[Rase]

Were they ever said to only be able to get one per battle before? I must have missed that if they did.

[Skyblade]

They did. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/howto/basic/basic02.html)


The Final Smash is a secret skill that can be performed but once.and only after obtaining an item called the Smash Ball, which is a precious item indeed.

So even the Pity Final Smash won't help much in a 99 stock battle.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I think what they might have meant there is once per smash ball.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I think what they might have meant there is once per smash ball.

yes definitely, because Samus uses a smash ball to become Zero Suit Samus, but then uses another one to get her suit back

THE JACKEL

[Craig]

I saw a video of someone playing it and he got a smash ball and did his attack and then another one appeared and he couldn't get it because the time ran out, but he was going for it.

[Evastio]

I guess it's nice that they're explaining details about the Smash Ball. But with all the demo videos that people put up, it's a little redundant.

As for that X song, I have to say it's really awesome. I'll probably set that song playing on Final Destination. I wonder which game series they'll stick that X song with though. (I'm hoping it'll be Smash Bros. specific or with Starfox.)


I get the feeling Sonic as an update was more of a way to appease people who were bound to be unhappy with the later release date. Whether you like him being included or not, he was the most requested IIRC, so showing that he's in would make a good number of people happier.
True, but there was also a large amount of people angry about Sonic being in Brawl as well. Even though it wasn't as big as the group of people that did want Sonic in, it's still significant enough for them to have come up with a better update. (Or they could've postponed the Sonic update for later and just leave us with that 1 minute video presentation. That video was a good enough update by itself.)

I think what they might have meant there is once per smash ball.
That's most likely true based on what the gameplay videos have been showing.

[Roto13]

The more Waddle Dees the better, as I always say.

[Skyblade]

Look out, it's raining Waddle Dees and Gordos! It's a shame they seem to walk/crash off the screen immediately. I'd love to have tons of the little guys hanging around afterward.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Part of that may be that the stage they showed it being used on is unsuited for it. Right now the final smash doesn't look too intimidating, but it may be better on different stages.

[demondude]

It's a bit pointless in jungle falls. :p

[ljkkjlcm9]

they just said there would be secret characters, as in, they won't be announced on the website.

At this point, it leaves it completely up in the air as to who will be in the game.

THE JACKEL

[Heath]

Having said that, there doesn't look like an awful lot of room on the screen to fit them all in if that's how big each character tile is.

[Skyblade]

they just said there would be secret characters, as in, they won't be announced on the website.

At this point, it leaves it completely up in the air as to who will be in the game.

THE JACKAL

Jigglypuff!

Agreed, if he's worried about people being "spoiled", then there must be hidden characters not on the site. Yay!

[Lawr]

I can't wait until they show us Snake's Final Smash

[XxSephirothxX]

Having said that, there doesn't look like an awful lot of room on the screen to fit them all in if that's how big each character tile is.
I'd say it's a fair bet they will shrink or otherwise be rearranged to compensate for a pretty large influx of unlockable characters.

[Evastio]

Most Wi-Fi updates I don't really find impressive (mostly because I prefer to have multiplayer offline than online. I also play a lot of games multiplayer with people around me and on the same TV/Computer Monitor). Today's proved to be an exception. I like how they found a way to fix people quitting in the middle of a match and how they still allowed secret character to be used. I guess they really have thought of everything. (I hope that means that they've thought twice about removing SSBM characters)

I guess it was more of the mention of secret characters that made me like today's update. I'm glad they hinted that most secret characters are unlockable in Adventure Mode. I'm guessing one of the characters (probably Micaiah) are unlockable by using Peach or Zelda in Adventure Mode and she'll be one of the locked up damsels instead.

As for King Dedede's Final Smash, it proved me wrong. But at least it stays true to the Kirby Series.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I guess it was more of the mention of secret characters that made me like today's update. I'm glad they hinted that most secret characters are unlockable in Adventure Mode. I'm guessing one of the characters (probably Micaiah) are unlockable by using Peach or Zelda in Adventure Mode and she'll be one of the locked up damsels instead.

as far as I'm aware, you don't choose your character in adventure mode, at any point in time. At most there are two characters to choose from, but it's not like you choose one character to do the story. I think they've just shown the beginning parts of it, and the later parts will have characters you need to unlock... probably Jigglypuff(always secret) or some one like ganondorf, maybe even captain falcon?

THE JACKEL

[demondude]

The wi-fi update was pretty lousy. :/

[saf]

i liked it

[Northcrest]

Everything I think is going pretty smooth about Brawl. Even though the date is moved back i can get other games i want for my Birthday etc. I just wonder why they haven't updated any characters in like 2-3weeks. I thought by now there would be another character. I even read an article saying that Sheik and Ganondorf are suppose to be made. That they're still working on them. Any way I like how things are turning out.

[Lawr]

I can understand the long wait for Ganandorf, because if they put in Captain Falcon then they can't have both of them with the same moves, but the Sheik one doesn't seem like it would cause them too much trouble. Maybe the Final Smash or something.

[Evastio]

as far as I'm aware, you don't choose your character in adventure mode, at any point in time. At most there are two characters to choose from, but it's not like you choose one character to do the story. I think they've just shown the beginning parts of it, and the later parts will have characters you need to unlock... probably Jigglypuff(always secret) or some one like ganondorf, maybe even captain falcon?

THE JACKAL
They haven't actually mentioned how Adventure Mode works completely yet with the character selection and stuff. I'm just assuming that's how it works.

What's really confusing is how they showed Mario getting shot out of the Stadium in one video yet in that October Conferece video they clearly showed him fighting Petey Pirahna. I'm guessing that character roles will be interchangable based on that.

[Lawr]

They specifically said that as you progress with the starting character, you recruit more characters and when you start a level, you get to choose any of the recruits or the starting character.

So it's probably likel Mario for one portion recruit Kirby or whatever, then they'll switch to DK and so on until all of them eventually meet up.

[Skyblade]

They specifically said that as you progress with the starting character, you recruit more characters and when you start a level, you get to choose any of the recruits or the starting character.

So it's probably likel Mario for one portion recruit Kirby or whatever, then they'll switch to DK and so on until all of them eventually meet up.

I'm also fairly sure that they said that when it begins you would be able to choose either Kirby or Mario at the beginning. Not positive, but fairly sure.

Sorry for the double post.

Bonsly returneth, as a very quirky Pokemon. Unlike the others, he doesn't appear and perform some standard move while the battle goes on around him. Instead, you can pick him up and throw him at your foes. I wonder if more Pokemon will feature interactivity like this.

[Markus. D]

Throwing Pokemon...

I guess now all Smash Bros participants are members of Team Rocket?

[KoShiatar]

Skyblade, if you double post, please use the "Edit" button. :)

[scrumpleberry]

They specifically said that as you progress with the starting character, you recruit more characters and when you start a level, you get to choose any of the recruits or the starting character.

So it's probably likel Mario for one portion recruit Kirby or whatever, then they'll switch to DK and so on until all of them eventually meet up.

That sounds pretty dang awesome.

[Evastio]

So much for the roster being updated today...

At least we didn't get any Sonic or MGS updates.

It looks like Bonsly is another version of the Hammer's Head. (Heavy but extremely powerful)

Skyblade, if you double post, please use the "Edit" button. :)
Isn't it okay with timely updates?

Throwing Pokemon...

I guess now all Smash Bros participants are members of Team Rocket?
In Melee throwing Pokemon was still possible (Electrode).

[Markus. D]

So much for the roster being updated today...

At least we didn't get any Sonic or MGS updates.

It looks like Bonsly is another version of the Hammer's Head. (Heavy but extremely powerful)

Skyblade, if you double post, please use the "Edit" button. :)
Isn't it okay with timely updates?

Throwing Pokemon...

I guess now all Smash Bros participants are members of Team Rocket?
In Melee throwing Pokemon was still possible (Electrode).

Oh o.o;

So we've been team rocket since melee D:

edit: Rotation System to null bickering among friends.

[Evastio]

That explains what Winner/Loser Out mode was for in Melee.

What I was somewhat hoping for in Brawl was pre-made Tournaments that would have different themes (eg: Pokemon, Kirby, moving levels only, etc.) kind of like Event Matches except it would only be with Tournaments and that's how you'd unlock certain characters and levels. That way people that couldn't play multiplayer offline would have more of a use for Tournament Mode. Anyways, it's just an idea I was throwing out there.

[Markus. D]

Samus's Secret Final Smash Revealed (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JReucO7FrPc)

So today I heard there might be an alternative Final Smash after-form for Samus Aaron.

[Heath]

Woo. The options screen. Updates have been a bit boring as of late. I'm also not sure what I make of the new Ice Climbers music. Wasn't a big fan of their music from SSB:M, but I certainly don't like the new one as much as I liked the Melee version.

[Evastio]

The Options screen wasn't that impressive for me.

As for the Ice Climber music, I really enjoyed it. (suprising hearing that from a person with an Ice Climbers set isn't it?) I think they should remove the talking at the start of it though. I like how it went from Jazz to Rock and Roll to really peaceful. It also brought back a lot of good memories.

[Monol]

Well said...lets just hope for a character tommorow.

Krystal for brawl!! :D

[Lawr]

You can homerun hit the Karts. Just like Clefairy and Electrode.

[Evastio]

It looks like they've finally updated the Mario Circuit stage.

I'm really wondering whether Mario's home stage in All-Star Mode will be Delfino Plaza or Mario Circuit. I can't really imagine anyone else (like Bowser or Peach) having them as their home levels.

Krystal for brawl!! :D
I'm hoping for that too. I don't want them removing Falco because of it though.

[Markus. D]

Do you guys think the X: Tunnel Theme, would suit something like Break The Targets?

[Evastio]

Do you guys think the X: Tunnel Theme, would suit something like Break The Targets?

It would've in Melee. But now that the Target Test levels are outside the techno theme that the song has wouldn't fit in very well.

[Markus. D]

Oh true! another thing I forgot about.

It will be wonderful to hear the themes for 'em~ cause I liked Melee's one~

[Skyblade]

Two new Assist Trophies, including Waluigi. I never really liked Wario or Waluigi, but Stafy seems to be nice, ridiculous fun.

[Markus. D]

I'm guessing since staffy can get thwacked away~

And judging by the rocket-ish boostery dealy~ that must be the main damager.

[Rase]

I like how you can tell where the shy Guys are in Mario Circuit by looking at the map in the background. Hopefully more maps feature little touches like these that are subtle danger indicators.

Also, Waluigi = instant win, therefore the game has finally been confirmed to be awesome.

[demondude]

Starfy is so kewl~

[Rase]

Bummer news for those of you in the Europe and such. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3164779)

[demondude]

Bummer news for those of you in the Europe and such. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3164779)

This has ruined my christmas.

[Markus. D]

*incantation*

... ;\

*unleashes a furious Firaga IV*

[demondude]

Why does it take so long to make a few minor changes between continent. :mad2:

[Markus. D]

It's like they think Australians don't game at all -_-

Or that Australians don't think Australians game...

[demondude]

It's like they think Australians don't game at all -_-

Or that Australians don't think Australians game...

Same goes for england and such despite the fact that there are thousands of game stores here. :(

[Markus. D]

It's like they think Australians don't game at all -_-

Or that Australians don't think Australians game...

Same goes for england and such despite the fact that there are thousands of game stores here. :(

:[


well, us sobbing won't do anything good! let's be strong and endure this hardship >__<

[Lawr]

I think it's because of the many languages in Europe. So they gotta change a lot of stuff like interfaces, tutorials, etc. Or the different hardware.

[Roto13]

Wow, that sucks. >_>

[demondude]

It's like they think Australians don't game at all -_-

Or that Australians don't think Australians game...

Same goes for england and such despite the fact that there are thousands of game stores here. :(

:[


well, us sobbing won't do anything good! let's be strong and endure this hardship >__<

I can't starfy needs me!

[Skyblade]

Co-op mode for events and target test. I still don't think it makes up for not having specialized target tests for each characters, but it's still pretty nice.

[Rase]

I must say that their inclusion of Co-op in almost every facet this time around is pretty sweet.

[Heath]

Pretty snazzy update. I always find character updates and stuff more interesting, but co-op mode looks like it could be pretty fun.

[Evastio]

I'm really happy that they made some Event Matches Two Player. (I kind of got disappointed when they didn't say it was two player when they first announced it). I wasn't really expecting two player Target Smash but I'm really happy they added it.

All I'd want now (regarding two player compatibility) is two player classic and all-star mode.

As for Stafy he shouldn't have been reduced to that. His series are quite popular in Japan and he also has more games than the Mother series do (excluding remakes). If Mother characters didn't get reduced to being only Assist Trophies then Stafy shouldn't have either.