Nintendo Counts Down to Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[KentaRawr!]

JKtrix, you're off by one. THIS is the 1000th post.

Edit: Oh, wait, no.

[scrumpleberry]

Sakurai is working with Game Arts on Smash Bros Brawl. Any Lunar/Grandia fans out there?
This explains the massive upgrade to the Adventure Mode we've been seeing.

ME ME ME!!!

I nearly squeed when I saw gamearts were working on it. I agree, and this ought to make the single player mode much better. Oh, I'm happy now.

[.:kerrod:.]

this is a little off-topic, but it has to do with SSB, so i'll just ask anyway :D
Do you have any tips for the 100-man melee? i need to beat it for falco and events 31-39/40, but it's so damn hard :(my highest amount of KOs is with Link, and that's 71, but now i hardly get close to that, next is Roy with 66 and Pikachu has some too, but not really significant enough...any tips for characters or moves to use or techniques? i've only done this once and that was when i first got the game and i did it by fluke, but i dont even remember who i used -_-

[XxSephirothxX]

Donkey Kong Down+B was an easy way to do the 10 minute or 20 minute or whatever it was. Probably works for that, too.

[Evastio]

Manaphy seems like a fun Pokemon to get. I really like how they made it so that killing yourself as your opponent won't count as a KO against them. They really have thought of everything (except for how to stop delaying Brawl's release).

Sure, I've played Earthbound. I've also played both SSB games and know how much Ness fans enjoyed his special abilities and unique recovery moves. If they give him some of his Earthbound attacks and make him a good character, I'm happy. I still think that some people are going to be upset about how much he's going to be reworked.
I'm somewhat thinking Nintendo gave Ness all of Lucas' moves because non-Japanese players wouldn't know what moves Lucas is really capable of while they do for Ness. I could easily imagine them giving Ness moves he is capable of in Earthbound like PSI Teleport for his Up Special, PSI Paralyze for his Side Special, and PSI Shield for his Down Special.

What? My eyes! The video does nothing! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VxrQiCz4_o)

Apparently it was a video posted on 2chan through a members only video page, and the video was taken on a cell phone. I normally don't concentrate on rumors, so I don't know exactly where the video would be taken if anywhere. But there's also this funky little picture which is apparently of the same thing in the video, though I had assumed one had merely made a fake picture and put it on their T.V. (http://www.brawlcentral.com/images/news/2008_01_22(2).jpg) I'm confused. :eep:

Edit: Oh, yeah. Video of person choosing character. Picture of starting roster, allegedly.
It looks real enough to me. It also has me really convinced. I doubt that someone would go through all of that trouble to try to trick us. But at the same time I doubt that they'd arrange the roster like that especially considering there's going to be a lot more hidden characters. I also don't think they'd make Sheik visible in Zelda's square.


Look, I'm not in love with the fact... I want Mewtwo back, I was the only person in my group of friends that could even use him well. The fact is, they said things such as no clones. I would love every character to come back, but it just seems doubtful that they all will.
I'm glad that's cleared up. Well until Brawl is released there's still hope for the veterans.

[Lawr]

Captain Falcon will probably be playable because they have an Assist Trophy from his game, I mean, come on.

[Evastio]

Donkey Kong Down+B was an easy way to do the 10 minute or 20 minute or whatever it was. Probably works for that, too.
Pfft... I know a lot of people that've tried that and got whooped by the wireframes.

The way my cousin did it was using Falco staying on one side of the level using his blaster to keep all of the wireframes away from him. If they somehow snuck up behind him he just repeatedly dodge rolled right to the other side of the level continuing using his blaster (this doesn't work with Fox since his blaster doesn't make enemies flinch). He didn't get attacked by the wireframes at all. If you use this method well you'll be able to unlock all of the Multi-Man Melee goodies!!

Of course, Cruel Melee is a whole different story...

[Monol]

For 100 man melee just stand there and use marths Up tilt or forward smash. Or wait till they are crowded and "rest" them with jigglypuff :p

[Roto13]

Donkey Kong Down+B was an easy way to do the 10 minute or 20 minute or whatever it was. Probably works for that, too.
Pfft... I know a lot of people that've tried that and got whooped by the wireframes.

The way my cousin did it was using Falco staying on one side of the level using his blaster to keep all of the wireframes away from him.

He's trying to UNLOCK Falco. :P

The Down + B thing with DK is how I did it. It gets a bit iffy after 70 or so, but be careful and it should be ok.

[KentaRawr!]

Maybe the DK method will be more effective in Brawl now that there are two players per event, and with the C-Stick Motion Controls. Why, in order to have two DK's doing the down-smash repeatedly, all I must do is take two controllers, and pretend I'm DK doing the down-smash.

[Evastio]

He's trying to UNLOCK Falco. :P
Oh. :rolleyes2 Well once you've unlocked Falco most of the strategies that were listed will help.

There's also this Mewtwo strategy where you go to the very left/right of the stage and face away from the middle of the level and keep his Shadow Ball charging which will usually protect you from Wireframes. It didn't help me pass the 15 Minute Melee though.

[Monol]

Alot of characters have moves you can abuse over and over to get the job done.

Peachs down smash, bowsers up b, roys forward smash/up b, yoshis down smash, zeldas forward air and back air, the list goes on

Marths and DK are definatly your best options though. I had to do 15 minute melee with DK (sooo frusturating when you lose...they make 15 minutes seem like an eternity in that mode :( ) But DK's past stage is an appropriate prize so id say its well worth it.

Oh and so is falco of course :rolleyes2 (I mean he is Top teir after all)

[Creeping Shadow]

I think that they shouldnt make 'replacement characters'. They should just put all the veterans back in (with new moves for the clone characters) and have all the new brawl characters. I mean they did that in melee why not brawl?

[Ichimonji]

Haha, you can slowly battle through two levels of Super Mario Bros. Awesome.

[White Raven]

*edit*sorry, just saw that it was posted... awesome news though still :p*

Apparently Nintendo has accidentally announced/leaked that two of my favourite characters from SSBM are in Brawl.....


NESS AND JIGGLYPUFF! (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/21/nintendo-accidentally-confirms-lucario-ness-jigglypuff-for-bra/)

:):):)

[Crossblades]

Diggin the new Mario stage =)

[Roto13]

The new stage depresses me. It's like "Your childhood is now a brown ruin"

[JKTrix]

The new stage depresses me. It's like "Your childhood is now a brown ruin"

You n' me, we're the same age. Super Mario 'came out' the same time we did ('85). So now, seeing this--something almost exactly the same age as us--being depicted as decrepit ruins makes it that much more depressing for me. I was just told subconsciously by a video game that I'm getting old.

I feel sorry for you folks that are older than me.

The new mario music version was nice though.

[scrumpleberry]

Donkey Kong Down+B was an easy way to do the 10 minute or 20 minute or whatever it was. Probably works for that, too.

Seconded.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Donkey Kong Down+B was an easy way to do the 10 minute or 20 minute or whatever it was. Probably works for that, too.

Seconded.

the Fox Illusion works too, forward+B

THE JACKEL

[Monol]

Best miserable update ever. I read "musrhoomY" and i was like "awwh this is gonna be the cutest stage ever...oh"

*cracks back and grabs cane* Well the music sounds good at least.

At the rate of these updates i smell a character over the horizen. Screw R.O.B. go krystal!

[Roto13]

You've gotten, like, five characters in the past week or so. xD Calm down!

[KentaRawr!]

Thankfully, I got Super Mario Bros. later than most of you OLD people. It was cheap by the time I played it. :p I don't like how it's so desert-ish, though. I have more memories with SMB3 (considering it's infinitely better and I had both at the same time), but even so, I pictured it as a bit more grass-ish. But perhaps that's just being accurate. World 1 of SMB3 was a desert, and didn't look too different from most of SMB1's overworld. It just so happened that World 2 was way more of a desert. :choc2:

Anyway, about the stage itself... It reminds me of the Rainbow Ride stage from SSBM, because it scrolls and involves lots of platforming, clearly. However, one has to consider how it's going to loop. I'm willing to bet on a Warp Pipe everyone's forced into at the end of 1-2.

[Markus. D]

I'm in love with the arrangement hehehe~

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

I don't like how it's so desert-ish, though. I have more memories with SMB3 (considering it's infinitely better and I had both at the same time), but even so, I pictured it as a bit more grass-ish. But perhaps that's just being accurate.They're intentionally not being accurate.
The kingdom you once knew has turned to ruins over the long years, and it is now your battlefield.

[Ouch!]

The arrangement of the song they did is freaking awesome.

[Monol]

You've gotten, like, five characters in the past week or so. xD Calm down!

Calm down?! CALM DOWN?! ILL SHOW YOOOU CALM!!!.....

*takes a deep breath*
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There we go, now the only reason why im STILL whining is recently folks ahve been whining about the final roster being 35 (which according to recent screens and lame yet accurate predictions seems to be the case) but the thing thats peeving me is everyones complaining about the characters that are on there. If the this final roster was evern close to being true then the only REAL complaint i have is that krystal has been replaced by R.O.B (not the system but the character from star fox...lame!!) which i cannot allow! So even though we've had are fair share of decent updates ive been waiting for krystal confirmation since october. Call it greedy, selfish, whiny, or whatever but i just dont want a character i feel deserving of a female starfox rep (heck a female rep period) to get the shaft because of...well R.O.B. (I dont hate ya R.O.B. and i realize you have been in more games but you just dont seem like the fighting type).

Whew actually i wouldnt mind a subspace update either (More bosses plz!) :D

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Images of R.O.B. show the peripheral. The character from Star Fox looks completely different.

[KentaRawr!]

We don't really know whether the supposed playable ROB is from Star Fox or not, but according to the leaked roster he's speaking of, ROB is far from Fox and Falco on the character screen. Not only that, but having an enemy and a playable character who are entirely separate entities with the same name isn't very common in video games. I doubt that if ROB really is in the game, it will be anyone besides the peripheral.

The real question, though, is his stats. ROB was slooooooow. But he also was very light. And his arms weren't exactly powerful by any means. But that would leave him having some of the worst stats in the game, wouldn't it?

[Monol]

Thats why i figured if he WAS in the game he'd be the new "joke" character for brawl (like how pichu was for melee).

[KentaRawr!]

I'd say Mr. G and W was more of a joke character, but Pichu is definitely more comparable to the likes of Dan Hibiki.

[Evastio]

This new level is, depressing. It's understandable that they'd make it look ancient now that it's so old but they could of at least made it look like an ancient jungle ruins so it'd have more life to it. Having vines, moss, and fungus growing on the level would make it less depressing and more Marioish. I guess having World 1-2 appear as the level instead somewhat makes up for it.

I really like the new Mario song that they added. Having the original theme remixed and played on piano really brings back good memories. I guess the song makes it happier. Somewhat. It's about time we got a Mushroom song as well.

Thats why i figured if he WAS in the game he'd be the new "joke" character for brawl (like how pichu was for melee).

I'd say Mr. G and W was more of a joke character, but Pichu is definitely more comparable to the likes of Dan Hibiki.
I actually happen to be decent with those two characters you know. :( I know that they don't have the most powerful ground attacks but their air attacks are great.

[Heath]

I thought the new level was a pretty cool idea, but it would've been better if they'd given World 1-1 a better makeover as opposed to the one they have. Having said that, doesn't matter as long as it's fun to play on.

[KentaRawr!]

I think the music will make it feel much lighter than the barren wasteland we see here. If it weren't for the music in SMB1, really, what would you have thought of the overworld?

[Evastio]

There's new Adventure mode footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caWJR4nBp_4) in the 2nd half of the video. Samus and Pikachu are teaming up in it.

[KentaRawr!]

Not only that, but there's this video as well (http://topicscollector.blog55.fc2.com/blog-entry-2815.html).

[Ultima Shadow]

Thats why i figured if he WAS in the game he'd be the new "joke" character for brawl (like how pichu was for melee).OMGWTF!? My Pichu owns your Fox anyday, kthnxbye!

Seriously though. Pichu is only the second worst character in melee. Mewtwo is the worst. :greenie:

[Monol]

Screw that noise! Id take mewtwo over pichu without skipping a beat!!

......though id say kirby is by far the worst character :p

[ljkkjlcm9]

Screw that noise! Id take mewtwo over pichu without skipping a beat!!

......though id say kirby is by far the worst character :p

I always hated bowser
I'm not much for big slow characters, small/medium characters I'm good with. Speed is what it's about. Sooo, Sonic will probably be a pretty good addition for me, as well as Pit and Meta knight.

THE JACKEL

[JKTrix]

This thread is about Brawl. I really hope this debate over who was the worst character in Melee doesn't go on for long.


Not only that, but there's this video as well (http://topicscollector.blog55.fc2.com/blog-entry-2815.html).

3 of the 4 videos are the same thing, but the Gametrailers one is the best quality (and easily downloadable).

-When Mario is recovering he does a mid-air jump, then his Side+B and then an Up+B. Could you do this before? I was never that hardcore into Smash since I didn't have anyone to play with.

-I didn't realize Lucas was so small! He's the same height as the Ice Climbers.

-In the match with Sonic (P1) Samus (P2) Fox (P3) and Kirby (P4), I can't quite figure out what the hell happens when stuff starts exploding all of a sudden. An item suddenly drops and Sonic falls on it, but I can't make it out. It didn't look like the old mine.

-Squirtle should have more resistance to freezing attacks.

-Destructible Fire Emblem and Metal Gear stages! And the size of some of the stages is pretty impressive. The Metal Gear one with Link vs Snake is a good example, as it looks like you can go Up quite a bit and perhaps off to the sides a little once the walls break.

-I really like the forcefield that's in the Sandbag mode.

Dojo has been upstaged by the internets once again. Won't be too long before someone blows open the game.

[KentaRawr!]

That explosion you saw was Star Fox 64's Smart Bomb. There was an update on the site for it, I think.

Though, why should Squirtle have more resistance to freezing attacks? If he's a Water Type, and his water freezes, wouldn't he be doomed? :p

[Skyblade]

That explosion you saw was Star Fox 64's Smart Bomb. There was an update on the site for it, I think.

Though, why should Squirtle have more resistance to freezing attacks? If he's a Water Type, and his water freezes, wouldn't he be doomed? :p

Not according to Pokemon type matchups. Squirtle is fire and frost resistant, but lightning vulnerable. Ivysaur would be weak to fire and ice. And Charizard is vulnerable to lightning. It would be interesting to see how much type matchups come into play.

JKTrix, yes, you can double jump then side-B then up-B. Doing the up-B move is what keeps you from making any more moves until you either land or get hit. As long as it's last, it doesn't matter.

[Monol]

Pokemon trainer looks cooler and cooler! His FS is the bomb "Its super effective"

I read somewhere that the stamina idea for PT isnt quite as hindering as implied. Meaning you can actually "main" one of the pokemon so i totally call dibs on ivysaur (thats right NONE of you are allowed to use him ever! Unless you earn the right by beating me online ;) )

And lucas's attacks look sooo fluid. I also love the scene shown for subspace where mario, link, yoshi, kirby i think and somone else are all standing together as if they are ready to take on some wicked threat.

All in all the game looks better and better...keep the leaks on coming lol :greenie:

Mewtwo pawns kirby, pich and bowser *runs away*

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

It looks like they powered Lucas's PK Thunder to himself, and made PK Freeze a lot faster than PK Flash, so hopefully he can compete. Ness was fairly lack-luster in Melee because of things like that.

[JKTrix]

As for the Dojo site, it appears that Japan has a different 'net battle test' video (http://www.smashbros.com/jp/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi06.html) than the other regions, featuring Snake, Ike, Kirby and Mario. In it, Kirby's Final Smash is used in mid-air. If you haven't seen his FS in action he pulls out a pot that proceeds to Vacuum everyone in, stirrs 'em around then launches them outwards (and upwards) from the pot. Now with this happening in mid-air, and the 'vacuum' part being seemingly unavoidable, it looks like all a Kirby player has to do when he gets the FS is to float up as high as he can to the top of the stage and use it. He'll suck everyone in, stir 'em around, then launch them in an upwards direction--and automatically off the stage for a KO if he's close enough to the top.

In the video, it appears he wasn't close enough to the top for it to be effective, as one of the 3 folks were able to recover instead of being launched off the stage.

Still, that could be a really potent FS with Kirby's floating ability.

Also, Announcer says "Time Up" in the Japan game/video, and just "Time" in the US one.

[Markus. D]

Very different update~ ... darn it... I want wireless broadband T_T

edit: *;]*

[Heath]

The Masterpieces thing looks nice for people who've never played the original games so that they can get a feel for what they were like from a demo. Admittedly, all it's making me want to do is play Lylat Wars again.

[.:kerrod:.]

grrr...for some reason that video won't play for me...won't load properly or something -_- but yeah, the masterpieces look pretty good...

[JKTrix]

Vol4 of Iwata Asks: Smash Bros Edition is up. It appears that there will be more volumes of this, since it says 'To be continued' at the bottom. (Mario Galaxy's feature had 4 volumes)

The interesting tidbit this time around is that Sakurai was working with Kazushige Nojima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazushige_Nojima) on the story scenarios. I didn't know who that was, but I certainly do now.


A bunch of translated info from Famitsu is up on Brawl Central as well.

[Markus. D]

Wow. So Adventure Mode WILL have a good story.

Lovely :3

[JKTrix]

Holy Crap! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URZ2h5O8qeo)

Drill Dozer! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_Dozer) Did any of you (http://forums.eyesonff.com/general-gaming-discussion/88599-need-good-gba-games.html#post1777520)play this game when it came out? It was a really good sort of 'last game' for the GBA.

Someone in the gaming press informally described this game (Brawl) as a 'Nintendo orgasm all over your face'. I believe.

[Skyblade]

Super Metroid. The original LoZ. Ice Climbers... Even if they're just demos, this is awesome.

Oh, and it looks like at least Super Metroid will be a full game, including save functionality. So while we may not be able to reach the peak of the Ice Climbers mountain, we should be able to rid Zebes of Space Pirates once more.

[JKTrix]

I was under the impression that the Save thing in the Metroid screen is part of the trial itself. The caption on that pic says, "Some titles come with save data". This suggests that the saves are *already* there, and with SMetroid in particular you can choose to start the trial from the beginning, or from a gamesave that looks like it's from the end.

[Evastio]

I... kind of find it a little redundant. But I guess it is good for people who want to see what the game was like. And as long as they didn't squish that in in favour of the veteran characters of Melee or anything else big they should've added (like Melee's Mute City stage or Pokefloats) I'll learn to like it.

[KentaRawr!]

I wonder if they'll have a demo of Fire Emblem. :D

[Evastio]

I doubt they'll make a Fire Emblem 9 or 10 demo (it's too big and not a Virtual Console game like the other games they showed). But they might make a translated Fire Emblem 1 or 3 one (with Marth which'll practically mean he has to be in Brawl). :D

I wonder what they'll do for Mr. Game & Watch though...

[KentaRawr!]

Apparently they do have a demo for F.E., according to the Japanese Page. Also, an EarthBound demo. I don't get why EarthBound wouldn't be on the other pages, though. Oh well.

[Roto13]

I... kind of find it a little redundant. But I guess it is good for people who want to see what the game was like. And as long as they didn't squish that in in favour of the veteran characters of Melee or anything else big they should've added (like Melee's Mute City stage or Pokefloats) I'll learn to like it.

Why would you need to learn to like little bits and pieces of classic games? They're awesome. You should like them by default.

[Evastio]

Why would you need to learn to like little bits and pieces of classic games? They're awesome. You should like them by default.
Normally being a retro gamer I would. But the fact that they're showing these kinds of extra things in Brawl and not the old things are making me start to hate them since it's almost as if they're trying to imply that they've removed the old things and are trying to replace them with these new things. I know that's most likely not the case but I can't help thinking it.

Apparently they do have a demo for F.E., according to the Japanese Page. Also, an EarthBound demo. I don't get why EarthBound wouldn't be on the other pages, though. Oh well.
That practically confirms Marth and Ness' (although his return was already confirmed) return since I doubt they'd let you play Ness' or Marth's game to represent what Lucas' or Ike's games were like. :D

[Roto13]

Why would you need to learn to like little bits and pieces of classic games? They're awesome. You should like them by default.
Normally being a retro gamer I would. But the fact that they're showing these kinds of extra things in Brawl and not the old things are making me start to hate them since it's almost as if they're trying to imply that they've removed the old things and are trying to replace them with these new things. I know that's most likely not the case but I can't help thinking it.

You're so paranoid. xD

[ljkkjlcm9]

[QUOTE=Kentarou;2409011]Apparently they do have a demo for F.E., according to the Japanese Page. Also, an EarthBound demo. I don't get why EarthBound wouldn't be on the other pages, though. Oh well.
That practically confirms Marth and Ness' (although his return was already confirmed) return since I doubt they'd let you play Ness' or Marth's game to represent what Lucas' or Ike's games were like. :D

I don't think that confirms Marth. Firstly, we don't know if we'll even get that one in the US, because it was never translated. Secondly, Ike's games were on Gamecube (both in Japan) and the Wii. These are not games you can make as demos inside of something like Smash Bros. Hell, the new Fire Emblem is it's own Wii game in the US (was gamecube in Japan).

THE JACKEL

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Radiant Dawn is a Wii title in Japan, too.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Radiant Dawn is a Wii title in Japan, too.

could've sworn it originally came on the Gamecube... maybe they had announced it for that but then pushed it to the Wii.

THE JACKEL

[KentaRawr!]

I doubt Ness is coming back, simply due to the fact that Lucas's move-set is extremely similar to Ness's move-set from Melee. If Ness does come back, I'm betting on an alternate costume, or just a new move-set.

As for Marth, well, he rocks, and it seems like the only move of Marth's that Ike really shares is the counter-move. The Up+B is similar, but Ike's goes back down, similarly to Kirby's. And the A moves are just entirely different. I think we'll be seeing a Fire Emblem character that is more similar to Marth/Roy. Or at least I hope so.

[Rase]

I doubt Ness is coming back, simply due to the fact that Lucas's move-set is extremely similar to Ness's move-set from Melee. If Ness does come back, I'm betting on an alternate costume, or just a new move-set.
Ness has already been unofficially confirmed (http://mills.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=603241&id=544430994&ref=nf#pid=603241).

[KentaRawr!]

Oh, right. That. Forgot about that. :p Lucario and Jigglypuff too.

[Skyblade]

As for Marth, well, he rocks, and it seems like the only move of Marth's that Ike really shares is the counter-move. The Up+B is similar, but Ike's goes back down, similarly to Kirby's. And the A moves are just entirely different. I think we'll be seeing a Fire Emblem character that is more similar to Marth/Roy. Or at least I hope so.

Um... If you say so. Counter for Down-B, a swift sword attack for Side-B, and a powerful normal B that can be charged. Seems pretty similar to me.

[KentaRawr!]

Forgot about those B's. But even so, the A attacks are entirely different. Just look at Up-Smash. Ike pretty much forms an up-side down U with his sword, going from one side of the floor to the other. While Marth and Roy, on the other hand, stab the sky. He's also much slower than both Marth and Roy, and more powerful.

[Markus. D]

Ike was pretty quickfooted in the Japan Video.

My eyes were on Kirby and Ike through the entire video~ 'twas kewl

[Evastio]

You're so paranoid. xD
I know. It's just that with all of these rumors, leaks, and assumptions everyone's making it's hard to tell what they'll be adding/removing in Brawl. Especially with all the Ike replacing Marth/Roy theories and other assumptions like that that people are strongly believing.

Personally I'm not buying it. If they were truly using Ike to replace Marth and Roy they would've have had Ike be as fast as those two. Instead they basically turn him into another Link with slow speed but strong sword strikes. And as I said before if he does turn out to replace him I'll probably stick with Pit or Meta-Knight instead seeing as how they're fast blade users as well (they're not as cool looking as Marth to me but they're cool enough).

[ljkkjlcm9]

this forum posted some interesting info
Lots of new Smash Bros. Brawl Information from Famitsu - NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232119)

THE JACKEL

[Markus. D]

Wow... so... the tier list returns?

[Ouch!]

Wow... so... the tier list returns?
That was an inevitability.

[Skyblade]

Wow... so... the tier list returns?
That was an inevitability.

And, just as inevitably, a low tier character will still be able to pound a high tier character into the ground. As in Melee, Skill > Tier.

And making a tier list before the game is even released is foolish, IMHO. These guys get a few numbers and think they'll be able to know which characters are the best? You've had no time to work with these characters, no time to develop fighting strategies, no time to see how hard those powerful moves will be to hit with, nothing.


Numbers do not win a battle.

No, but I bet they help.

[.:kerrod:.]

what does it mean 'meta knight cant kill confirmed'?! this is scaring me...

[ljkkjlcm9]

what does it mean 'meta knight cant kill confirmed'?! this is scaring me...

probably along the lines of... he's good at fast weak attacks and building up damage, but lacks the big strong kill move... this was a problem people had with Young Link in Melee, as most of his kills were like, the second swing of forward A, or the third swing of Up A

btw, that's not a tier list. It's just a list of characters and their "strongest" KO moves. Plus what abilities they have.

THE JACKEL

[Markus. D]

Very Nice!


I don't really want to be thinking about tier related stuff anyway when this new SSB arrives... christmas 2067. ^_^

[Creeping Shadow]

Very Nice!


I don't really want to be thinking about tier related stuff anyway when this new SSB arrives... christmas 2067. ^_^

Hahaha so true...:lol:

[Evastio]

Wow... so... the tier list returns?
I remember hearing that there'd be no more tiers. And by the looks of the weight list that seems to be the case. Fox and Sheik have been made a lot lighter to lower their positions on the tier list and Kirby and Bowser have been made more effective fighters to raise their positions on the tier list. So basically it seems like so far they've been evening out all the characters. Especially since they've now made Fox the lightest character and they've made his blaster backfire on him occasionally.

So it looks like it's going to suck for you people who main no one but Fox, Sheik, and other high tiers. :tongue:

I guess that was quite harsh. But seriously guys, you should also main your favourite characters and not just characters that you find to be extremely effective. Otherwise I'd have never learned to be good with the Ice Climbers, Yoshi, Marth, and Mr. Game & Watch from finding them too hard to use at first. Also, it gets really repetitive (especially in MLG in SSBM) when you see nothing but Fox, Sheik, and Captain Falcon users. Using your favourites (doesn't matter if you like their personality, their looks, or the game they're from) make things more interesting and makes sure you'll be seeing a bigger variety of characters (unless you and your friends have the same favourite characters which I highly doubt).

[Monol]

Ever care to think that some pepole actually LIKE using high tier characters regardless if they are good? Its silly to think everyone who plays top tiers is aiming to win. The high tier characters are top notch because they have options. Plain and simple. That keeps them unpredictable to your opponnet and it also makes them very versitile to use which in turn is fun. You can try new things in each match and expect good results. Low tier characters have very very limited options and therefor lack the variety that comes with the top teirs. But what makes playing them fun is putting your own spin on the character. Its realizing this and putting it into play that makes you a great player. In this respect even low tiers can win. You just have to work your but off :p

You can play for fun or to win. There is NOTHING wrong with either option. But i guess to each its own. :cool:
Ok now for the long winded part...ready for the rant ya'll? (be warned im terrible at spelling and puncutation :rolleyes2 )

Yes there is going to a tier list. Its a fighting game. Pepole seem to think that the tier list is based on skill when this isnt the case (at least for melee it isnt). Tier list is based on tournament rankings. Nothing more and nothing less. So its safe to say in a competive scene pichu isnt very popular and neither is mewtwo. Thats because when people put money into a high paying tournament where they can gain a worldly reputation they dont wanna get knocked off early and therefore be forgotten. They are gonna play smart, counter pick and use their options. Anyone who is good has a style that they bring to the game and its easier to study styles with high tier characters then low tiers. Take falco who is currently at the top at the tier list. Falco has TONS of dissadvantages namely his recovery and marth, shiek and fox are cleary the better characters but pepole like using falco because of his sick offensive game and comboing. Its his popularity that put him on the top of the tier list. Now shiek who use to be the dominating tier god has lowered in the past years. Ya know why? Because shiek IS the best character yet people acknowledge that and find his style boring. His options are fairly limited in comparison to the other top tiers but they are EXTREMLY effective. Sheik has no bad matchups. Now granted from time to time he will still be used but your gonna find foxs, falcons, falcos, marths and peaches own the smash scene as of now.

But lower tiers defiatly have a shot. As cliche as it sounds everyones got a chance in this game. Sort of :p

[Evastio]

Yeah, you got a point there Monol. But personally I never really understood some things about the tier list and that's why I never completely agreed with it or believed there was a such thing in the first place.

I mean they stuck Luigi in the lower tiers. He's got more potential than that!! His down B is really fast and has high priority over other attacks. And although his up B attack is hard to hit with it's really fatal when it does hit. His smashes and air forward B have good knockback. With all of those strengths including wavedashing (which I never use because I'm against using glitches to my advantage in SSBM) I don't see why they'd make him so low on the tier list. Also, (although I really hate to admit it) they shouldn't have made Link a low tier character. Who cares if his speed is low? He's got a wide variety of projectiles which can easily help him deal damage to foes from a distance. He's also got a really powerful air down A, Up B, and all of his smashes have really good knockback. With all of those advantages he really doesn't need speed. (washes off tongue after saying that) Yoshi was stuck close to the bottom of the tier list when he's got a lot of speed and weight (something that no character has). He's got a projectile that you can practically completely control, tongue attacks and grabs that can easily take care of opponents that are physically attacking you, a strong butt stomp attack that doesn't have much lag, and an extremely high 2nd jump. Even if he doesn't have a 3rd jump his air dodge provides enough distance to get back and can help get you back on the stage floor before someone knocks you off again. So even the low tier characters have as much options for attacking as the high tiers.

[Roto13]

Wow... so... the tier list returns?
That was an inevitability.

And, just as inevitably, a low tier character will still be able to pound a high tier character into the ground. As in Melee every decent fighting game ever made, Skill > Tier.

Fix'd.

If you could somehow quantify skill, though, a person who is skilled with Sheik would usually beat someone who is equally skilled with Pichu. Some characters are just better than others. Perfectly balancing everyone is incredibly difficult, if not impossible.

[Creeping Shadow]

Tier lists are just stupid. There made by the people that only play in tournaments or whatever and they just take the fun ot of the game. I dont care who is on the low tier Ill play as them and beat you sensless. Pretty soon there going to make the whole "What stage you can and cannot play on list." Which is just as dumb. The bottom line is that tier lists take the fun out of melee/fighting games.

[.:kerrod:.]

...including wavedashing...

What is this? a glitch you say? i never hear about any of this stuff :eep: in the words of Pauline Hanson, 'Please explain.'

[NeoCracker]

DDD Vs. Bowser (http://youtube.com/watch?v=eWWQ3CAYRr4&feature=bz301)

[Skyblade]

Dedede just gets more depressing the more I see of him.

[Creeping Shadow]

DDD Vs. Bowser (http://youtube.com/watch?v=eWWQ3CAYRr4&feature=bz301)

From the same people

YouTube - SSBX_Preview_Masashi(Ike)_vs_IKKI(Ddd)_m1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYmNmm-bNns&NR=1)

YouTube - SSBX_Preview_Masashi(Ike)_vs_T2(Kir) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzQfkwdnXDo&feature=related)

Im in love with ikes final smash.

[Monol]

...including wavedashing...

What is this? a glitch you say? i never hear about any of this stuff :eep: in the words of Pauline Hanson, 'Please explain.'

Wavedashing is a notorious glitch found in the competitive area of smash. It involves aerial evading right as your about to hit the ground while tilting the stick in a diagonal direction so that your character slides due to the momentum. Characters that have bad traction go farther than others and in that right is more useful technique with some characters than other ones. Its kind of hard to get used to doing in fights or using at all for that matter but its actually quite fun with some pepole (for luigi it makes him one of the fast characters in the game, you can wave shine with fox, wave land into up b with link, etc.) Its a neat little trick but not OVERLY nessicary (there are other advanced techniques that IMO come first)

Ooooh good call on the luigi and link examples evastio. I personally believe they should be higher as well but alas. At least they own at low tier tourneys (to the point where they get banned...LAME!! now thats the stuff that reaaally gets me peeved but thats for another day :rolleyes2 )

And creeping shadow to your comment..."Which stage you can and which stage you cannot play list" haha bummer eh? :p

[Roto13]

I only played at one tournament. I won. :P But it was a pretty n00bish tournament so nobody had really heard of Wave Dashing or tier lists. (I didn't Wave Dash.)

Just playing for the hell of it is SO much more fun.

Actually, tournament play is like playing a dumbed down version of the game. There are only a few stages, some characters are banned, and there are no items. Cutting stuff out of the game isn't fun. :P

[Monol]

No playing a timed stock match on fourside against a fox or peach isnt fun. Playing a samus on corneria isnt fun. Playing on brinstar depths isnt fun lol

Playing with items and having a bomb land infront you and forward smashing into it and costing you the match ISNT fun.

If you wanna play for "fun" then go ahead and do what you will.

But some pepole actually care about there skill and find it "fun" to get better and play other pepole who feel the same way.

[Rase]

Playing with items and having a bomb land infront you and forward smashing into it and costing you the match ISNT fun.
I tend to find that hilarious actually, even if it's me. :p Then again I'm like the antithesis of competitive "must win!", so yeah.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I only played at one tournament. I won. :P But it was a pretty n00bish tournament so nobody had really heard of Wave Dashing or tier lists. (I didn't Wave Dash.)

Just playing for the hell of it is SO much more fun.

Actually, tournament play is like playing a dumbed down version of the game. There are only a few stages, some characters are banned, and there are no items. Cutting stuff out of the game isn't fun. :P

I really dislike the tournament play style. The game is built around nutty randomness and dicking around and having a blast. Tournament play tends to gut the enjoyment value of the game. One can only play 1v1 no items Final Destination so many times.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I love items. I always find it funny that when you're trying to get an item from a crate, it always explodes on you!

THE JACKEL

[Evastio]

Dedede just gets more depressing the more I see of him.
How so? The only thing I don't like about him so far is his speed (which should've been at least higher than Jigglypuff's or Peach's). He's a character (that isn't 3rd party) that I was really hoping would be playable in Brawl and he finally is. And by the looks of those videos, it looks like he's got a lot of potential.

[Monol]

I love how goofy he is but the fact that he can kill mario at 17% well :rolleyes2

Sakuri certainly had a weird vision when making this game...oh well im very happy with the way things are working out so far. I actually enjoy everyones fighting styles alot except pit. Hes the only character im not really looking forward to playing (but who knows he might be my new main yet i doubt it :p ) but other than that things look good.

I so hope dedede has his american voice actor from kirby super star

"Right back at ya"

[.:kerrod:.]

awww, im really looking forward to playing as pit :( :p him and meta knight...but it kills me that he "can't kill". Dedede should be good too, but he's really big, like, i don't really like characters who take up a lot of the stage because they're easier to hit. I'm also looking forward to using sonic, but i think his moveset will be limited and a little lame :p I think pokemon trainer will be pretty good, but i dont like how the pokemon get tired and they force you to switch out

[Monol]

Haha for pokemon trainer i aim on only using ivysaur. If he gets fatigued or whatever and i cant use him then i forfeit the match. 2 minutes is more than enough for me to strike down my opponets though muhahahaha ;)

[.:kerrod:.]

Haha for pokemon trainer i aim on only using ivysaur. If he gets fatigued or whatever and i cant use him then i forfeit the match. 2 minutes is more than enough for me to strike down my opponets though muhahahaha ;)

hahaha, well said, well said...in saying that, why does everybody love Bulbasaur and his evolutions? When i first saw it i thought it was sinfully ugly and on the show, it's call was terrible...nowadays i do like it, but i would sooner choose Squirtle or Charmander (who also have better moves, i mean, at like, level 50 all Venusaur is learning is 'Poison Powder' and 'Stun Spore', pffft, gimmie a break).

[Roto13]

Solar Beam! Sleep Powder + Solar Beam + Razor Leaf = ultra win.

[.:kerrod:.]

Solar Beam! Sleep Powder + Solar Beam + Razor Leaf = ultra win.

psht, 'Venusaur is charging up!' *FIRE BLAST* :mad:

[ljkkjlcm9]

Solar Beam! Sleep Powder + Solar Beam + Razor Leaf = ultra win.

psht, 'Venusaur is charging up!' *FIRE BLAST* :mad:

I believe that's the point of the sleep powder

THE JACKEL

[.:kerrod:.]

Solar Beam! Sleep Powder + Solar Beam + Razor Leaf = ultra win.

psht, 'Venusaur is charging up!' *FIRE BLAST* :mad:

I believe that's the point of the sleep powder

THE JACKAL

haha, ah, touche'...how embarrassing :greenie: :p, i still think there should be better moves for it...while we're on this topic, what was your favourite starting pokemon? out of all the series? i know this has nothing to do with brawl, but news is slow, this is just to pass the time...i think mine would have to be....cinderquil? maybe...but i also love squirtle :p but he's a bit over-loved :rolleyes2 i dont REALLY like any of the new ones...the final evolutions are all cool (except maybe the penguin one...), but i think i like the grass one the best out of them...

[Monol]

Bulbasaur...im a classic pokemon lover and he was always my favorite starter even out of the new ones. I wasnt aware that alot of pepole chose bulbasaur most of the pepole i know always selected charmander and squirtle *shrugs*

But yeah and incedently enough ivysaur was always my favorite form out of all the starter transformations (granted all the starters are pretty sweet for each series). Hes so..enigmatic and green and uhh...serious looking? Yeah thats it.

But yeah im done talking about pokemon for a bit. Saturday i went to my first smash tourney and one of the best pikachu mains in the nation was there *cringes* some players are just plain scary :eek: thought id bring this up seeing how we were talking about pokemon/roto was talking about her first tournament earlier (congrats by the way! who'd you use by the way?) and i just feel like talking about my self. I got raped at the tourney. Good learning experience i guess :D

"You gotta crawl before ya walk, swim before ya dive, lose before ya win"

[Ouch!]

roto was talking about her first tournament earlier (congrats by the way! nice to here progress from a good female smasher...who'd you use by the way?)
Wait for it.

[ljkkjlcm9]

lol roto a girl lol

man... this place is funny sometimes

I liked squirtle, cause wartortle was awesome

THE JACKEL

[Markus. D]

The Vault.

<3

[Rase]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various24/various24_080128p-l.jpg
Swim distance? Intriguing.

[Roto13]

roto was talking about her first tournament earlier (congrats by the way! nice to here progress from a good female smasher...who'd you use by the way?)
*huff*

JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A HUSBAND AND LIKE CUTE THINGS AND OCCASIONALLY COSPLAY AS ULALA FROM SPACE CHANNEL 5 IT DOES NOT MEAN I AM A GIRL!

*wheeze*

(I used Marth or Pikachu. I don't remember.)

I like this Chronicles thingy. Jesus, there's a lot to do in this game.

[Monol]

Heh yeah my bad lol...congrats non the less:D

I like for the alloy fights that they didnt show the red one this time...

Silly sakuri just give us captain falcon already!

[Evastio]

Today's update was somewhat redundant, but it's nice that they showed us a lot of new things we were unaware of (like Chronicles, swimming in stages, Masterpieces time limits being shown, and how it's 3 minutes allowed per replay and not just 3 minutes total. I know most of you assumed that it wouldn't be that short but I did). And them showing a Sheeda sticker gives a lot of hope for Marth coming back. :D


Silly sakuri just give us captain falcon already!
I think he's keeping all of the secret characters (except for the 3rd party ones) secret until the game comes out in Japan (since Sakurai already knows well enough that many Japanese people will just reveal the roster to us). That probably explains why characters like Luigi, Ness, Marth, Falco, and Ganondorf haven't been updated yet (unless Sakurai was actually dumb enough to kick them out which I really doubt).

[Creeping Shadow]

Either that or the sheeda sticker could mean sheeda will be in brawl!!!:eek:

just kidding:p its probably for marth.

[Evastio]

Hopefully she'll show up as an Assist Trophy.

It would be nice to see Sheeda being playable but Micaiah would most likely be the new Fire Emblem Newcomer.

[Creeping Shadow]

Im still expecting a GBA fire emblem newcomer. (eliwood,hector,ephraim,eirika) something like that.

[XxSephirothxX]

Spoilertastic megaton bombshell:
Intro video: YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Japanese Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRBsajRrnY8)

[KentaRawr!]

Oh, goodness, if you think THAT's a spoiler, here's the intro. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wRBsajRrnY8)

Edit: I could have done a rick-roll just then.

[Roto13]

I'm shocked at how badass Pikachu looks there! XD!

[XxSephirothxX]

You beat me to posting the intro vid, but yeah. Gorgeous.

[KentaRawr!]

Marth ftw.

[XxSephirothxX]

But where the fuck is Captain Falcon?

[KentaRawr!]

I think he blew up when he did the Falcon Punch in the Anime.

[Evastio]

(Bear hugs Azar and screams in a Captain Falconish like voice)

YES!!!! :bigbiggri

The idea of a Marth and Ike teamup is really awesome. Same with Ness and Lucas teaming up (typical, but really awesome at the same time). Take that people who thought Lucas and Ike were going to replace Ness and Marth!!! :D

I guess I don't hate Ike as much as I used to anymore. :rolleyes2

[KentaRawr!]

I just noticed that Fox did a Barrel Roll in the intro.

[XxSephirothxX]

Hopefully Luigi and Falcon didn't get the shaft and will show up somewhere along the line in SSE. Someone pointed out that there's a lot of room on the cliff (bout 4 seconds into the video) so it may well fill in with characters as you unlock them. Sounds plausible, though if it's just a plain video file it seems a bit unlikely.

[Ouch!]

Oh. Hell. Yeah.

[KentaRawr!]

They did that with SM64, so it would be nice if they did it here. Though, with the way this video is formed, I'm leaning towards it being a regular video.

Edit: Link's stance in the intro reminds me of his Soul Calibur 2 Intro Stance. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FZlw6PZ6KMs)

[XxSephirothxX]

Larger downloadable version of the intro. (http://rs95.rapidshare.com/files/87451882/OP.wmv)

[Creeping Shadow]

(Bear hugs Azar and screams in a Captain Falconish like voice)

YES!!!! :bigbiggri

The idea of a Marth and Ike teamup is really awesome. Same with Ness and Lucas teaming up (typical, but really awesome at the same time). Take that people who thought Lucas and Ike were going to replace Ness and Marth!!! :D

I guess I don't hate Ike as much as I used to anymore. :rolleyes2

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marth for brawl baby yeah!!!!!!!!! Now I can get a new sig!! This seriously just made brawl worth getting even more!!!

[Rase]

Take that people who thought Lucas and Ike were going to replace Ness and Marth!!! :D
It was an entirely plausible possibility up until now, and it's not like thinking they would be replaced necessarily means we hoped they would or are mad they are in the game. :rolleyes2

[XxSephirothxX]

Falcon Punch!!! (http://i28.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/2hwp7yq.jpg)

[KentaRawr!]

You beat me to that one. Truly epic, is it not? :monster:

But now I must sleep. It's 2:14 AM, and I'm just staying up watching leaks on Brawl. I honestly think that at this point, I'm going to stop going to Gamefaqs due to Story Mode spoils.

Edit: Bomberman? (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8493/brawlxu6.png)

[Ouch!]

You beat me to that one. Truly epic, is it not? :monster:

But now I must sleep. It's 2:14 AM, and I'm just staying up watching leaks on Brawl. I honestly think that at this point, I'm going to stop going to Gamefaqs due to Story Mode spoils.

Edit: Bomberman? (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8493/brawlxu6.png)
Luigi. =3

[.:kerrod:.]

bomberman?! sa-weeeeet...but is it a hoax?

[Creeping Shadow]

Oh man first marth then captain falcon and now LUIGI!! I must have died and went to brawl heaven that sounded lame:p

[.:kerrod:.]

that sounded lame:p

it sure did! :D but anyway, why do you love captain falcon so much? i never really liked him THAT much, i mean, i had nothing against him, and nobody can deny that 'FALCON PAUNCH' is too insanely awesome to comprehend, but i dunno, overall he's a bit....

btw: because marth is in the intro does that mean that he's confirmed without a doubt? (and ness, too, though i like lucas better unless the former has a better moveset)

[Creeping Shadow]

that sounded lame:p

it sure did! :D but anyway, why do you love captain falcon so much? i never really liked him THAT much, i mean, i had nothing against him, and nobody can deny that 'FALCON PAUNCH' is too insanely awesome to comprehend, but i dunno, overall he's a bit....

btw: because marth is in the intro does that mean that he's confirmed without a doubt? (and ness, too, though i like lucas better unless the former has a better moveset)

Marth in the intro is good enough for me and the reason I like captain falcon so much is because hes one of the original veterans. And the falcon punch is pretty awesome:)

[Markus. D]

Samus AND Pika <3

[Monol]

Take that people who thought Lucas and Ike were going to replace Ness and Marth!!! :D
It was an entirely plausible possibility up until now, and it's not like thinking they would be replaced necessarily means we hoped they would or are mad they are in the game. :rolleyes2

Hahahaha WOW! I never really thought ness would kick the bucket but im very suprised (in a good way of course) to see marth back. Mad props to you evastio for being a believer. Guess it paid off eh?

The new Final destiation esc stage looks really cool. Kinda small though which i guess is nice (whoot! no more falco lazer spam :p well at least it wont be THAT bad anyways)

But yeah im sooo excited now. I wish they showed ness in action i really wanted to see how his moves would differ.

[Roto13]

This picture of the character select screen (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9917/brawlrosterhp8.jpg) has also been floating around. :P

[JKTrix]

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Adventure mode explains and executes these matchups. Pikachu with Samus before, during, and after she gets her Power Suit? Ike, Marth and Meta Knight?

Olimar Kirby! (http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1320/472790df7.jpg)

[Roto13]

He looks like Mr. Saturn. xP

Oh, and smashbros.com was updated today, by the way. Big ol' list of music. It's pretty cool. :P

[.:kerrod:.]

This picture of the character select screen (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9917/brawlrosterhp8.jpg) has also been floating around. :P

ugh, when is this damn thing released so we can get a REAL snapshot of the roster?

EDIT: That roster doesn't have Sonic and is therefore, a fake...:) not that that's a happy thing...but to prove this easily clears up a lot of conspiracies surrounding it, such as the return of Mr. Game & Watch...

[Skyblade]

This picture of the character select screen (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9917/brawlrosterhp8.jpg) has also been floating around. :P

ugh, when is this damn thing released so we can get a REAL snapshot of the roster?

EDIT: That roster doesn't have Sonic and is therefore, a fake...:) not that that's a happy thing...but to prove this easily clears up a lot of conspiracies surrounding it, such as the return of Mr. Game & Watch...

Although it's possible that Sonic simply has been unlocked on that screen, I tend to agree, at least about Mr. Game and Watch. Notice how every other character has a new portrait except him?

I wonder what Kirby is going to do with Pikmin after he gets Olimar's power. He can't throw or chain them, so they must simply enhance his physical prowess.

Anyway, at least now we have plenty of excuses to make fun of people who play the game "tourney style" with no items. After all, no items means no Final Smashes. :)

[.:kerrod:.]

This picture of the character select screen (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9917/brawlrosterhp8.jpg) has also been floating around. :P

ugh, when is this damn thing released so we can get a REAL snapshot of the roster?

EDIT: That roster doesn't have Sonic and is therefore, a fake...:) not that that's a happy thing...but to prove this easily clears up a lot of conspiracies surrounding it, such as the return of Mr. Game & Watch...

Although it's possible that Sonic simply has been unlocked on that screen, I tend to agree, at least about Mr. Game and Watch. Notice how every other character has a new portrait except him?

I wonder what Kirby is going to do with Pikmin after he gets Olimar's power. He can't throw or chain them, so they must simply enhance his physical prowess.

Anyway, at least now we have plenty of excuses to make fun of people who play the game "tourney style" with no items. After all, no items means no Final Smashes. :)

True about the tourneys, but my point was that Sonic is on the starting roster, meaning he doesn't need to be unlocked, which is why i was sure the posted roster was a fake...and for the record, i dont think (or hope) falco makes it back...worst.clone.ever.

[Skyblade]

I thought that Sonic and Snake were both unlockables.

[Jessweeee♪]

I wish Phoenix were in this game :crying:

[ljkkjlcm9]

sweet, I'm glad both Ness and Marth are back, and that it's finally confirmed. I was good with both of them.

THE JACKEL

[JKTrix]

Brawl Central is back up.

Spoilers Ho! (http://brawlcentral.com/sse_spoilers.php)

[KentaRawr!]

Apparently someone has been playing Smash Bros. a ton last night, according to the Gamefaqs boards today. They allegedly allowed people to watch them live as they played the game. :choc2: But I think that's where all these pictures of the roster are coming from.

Edit: That picture of the roster with Mr. Game and Watch in it is more than likely to be real. Pictures of Brawl seem to be being posted on the player's Photobucket Account, which also has this picture in it. (http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/bokuwamarth.jpg)

>_> Don't look at the rest of his picture gallery. Massive spoilers.

[Monol]

Yessum loads of spoilers...keep em coming! Bagh im torn actually...i dont want TOO much spoiled but just cant resist!! Oh such a harsh dilema indeed...

Dark zelda is hott though :cool:

[JKTrix]

Now I know how Marth and Metaknight meet up, for I have seen it. Darn spoilers! I cannot resist.

[KentaRawr!]

Though I like the new info as well, I hope we don't get too much more of the story from leakers such as this. :monster:

[Roto13]

That picture of the select screen doesn't have Sonic, either. Maybe he's not in it. xD

[KentaRawr!]

Yeah. Maybe he was actually just a prank. :p

[JKTrix]

Lucario taking the box off of a !surprised! Snake made me giggle.

Also, the Japanese next to the 'Z' trigger means something like 'One More Time', or 'Replay' in this case. I'd imagine there would be several scenes I would want to play again immediately after I see them :P

[Roto13]

up253923.jpg - Image - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting (http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/?action=view&current=up253923.jpg)

I don't want Falcon back any more. He's a Pikmin murderer! ;-;!

[KentaRawr!]

You guys tease me with your spoiler marks.

Lawl.

[Skyblade]

Brawl Central is back up.

Spoilers Ho! (http://brawlcentral.com/sse_spoilers.php)

I'm getting "Suspened Website" when I click that link. :(

[JKTrix]

It was working when I posted it, but that site is likely getting raped of bandwidth. It's been off and on (mostly off) for most of the day so far.

All of the pics from that link (and more) can be found by digging around in the link provided in Kentarou's post (http://forums.eyesonff.com/general-gaming-discussion/105215-nintendo-counts-down-super-smash-bros-brawl-12.html#post2412212).

[KentaRawr!]

Uh-oh. (http://www.uploda.org/uporg1224741.jpg)

Edit: Clearer Uh-oh. (http://ranobe.com/up/src/up254056.jpg)

[ljkkjlcm9]

I just can't believe ROB is in the game, under the name Robot

THE JACKEL

[KentaRawr!]

To my understanding, he had a different name in Japan along the lines of "Robot". I think America is the only place where they came up with the catchy name "ROB the Robot".

[ljkkjlcm9]

To my understanding, he had a different name in Japan along the lines of "Robot". I think America is the only place where they came up with the catchy name "ROB the Robot".

well let me rephrase, I can't believe he's in the game, much less under the name robot

THE JACKEL

[Crossblades]

Uh-oh. (http://www.uploda.org/uporg1224741.jpg)

Edit: Clearer Uh-oh. (http://ranobe.com/up/src/up254056.jpg)

Is that Mega Man in the top right corner? O_o

EDIT - nevermind. The blurry pic made it look like Mega Man

[ljkkjlcm9]

We need a screenshot of everything unlocked...

it's getting annoying having ones with say, Robot and ganondorf, but no sonic, and others with young link but no Ness etc.

Just, tell me when someone has the final completed roster

THE JACKEL

[Crossblades]

We need a screenshot of everything unlocked...

it's getting annoying having ones with say, Robot and ganondorf, but no sonic, and others with young link but no Ness etc.

Just, tell me when someone has the final completed roster

THE JACKAL

Jigglypuff is missing as well

[Cz]

It kind of sucks that I'm going to know everything about this game before it even gets released over here. It would have been really cool to discover the new characters and stages myself, but these spoilers have been pretty much unavoidable.

On the other hand, freakin' awesome! :thumb:

[Monol]

We need a screenshot of everything unlocked...

it's getting annoying having ones with say, Robot and ganondorf, but no sonic, and others with young link but no Ness etc.

Just, tell me when someone has the final completed roster

THE JACKAL

Jigglypuff is missing as well

You add jiggz and whoever the third party character is and you get 35. And i dont know if you heard but thats the supposed dreaded number of the final roster.

But i refuse to believe thats the end result! But if so..

Krystal...sah lavi :(

[KentaRawr!]

According to the 35 Character Leak from before, the next character to be revealed is Wolf, from Star Fox, and is the final character.

Also, Marth is looking to be absolutely awesome. Take a look at him going through an SSE level (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdr5rHLUl4). The video was cut so there won't be any story spoilers besides the inclusion of Fire Emblem in the Story Mode, but that's expected. :tongue: This is an edited version of the video from Brawl Central, though, so those whom succumbed to the spoilers such as JKtrix have already seen it.

Edit: Here's Jiggs. (http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9880/up254065tt2.jpg) Bring on Wolf.

[ljkkjlcm9]

looks like his Charge B move is now a thrust as opposed a swipe.

Marth does look cool though, even faster than he was in melee

THE JACKEL

[KentaRawr!]

Indeed. His Up+B seems to go higher, too, and is slightly slower.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I believe this is the final roster
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/446/1201647066573pq8.jpg

THE JACKAL

[KentaRawr!]

As do I, but that art for Wolf seems to be his Assault art. I just believe due to that 35 leak from earlier.

Also...

Here(1) (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bGEXUEdQvKg&feature=user) are(3) (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H1wM4gDT2Yg&feature=user) videos!(4) (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OyI2JTMRDU4&feature=user)

I didn't include the 3rd one due to spoilers, but it's on his account.

Also, beware of the 4th video's last 5 seconds. Scary part ahoy.

[Monol]

Scrary?! That ending made me want to play this game even more!

[.:kerrod:.]

ending?! eeeeee! i dont wanna watch that :( and JACKEL, you posed taht roster before i could :( :p BUT I'M POSTING MINE ANYWAY DAMMIT!

hey guys, here's an even BETTER (exactly the same) final roster:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3636/finalrosteruh5.jpg :)i cant wait to play as R.O.B. and Pit, an MetaKnight xD i want them all!

[ljkkjlcm9]

ending?! eeeeee! i dont wanna watch that :( and JACKAL, you posed taht roster before i could :( :p BUT I'M POSTING MINE ANYWAY DAMMIT!

hey guys, here's an even BETTER (exactly the same) final roster:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3636/finalrosteruh5.jpg :)i cant wait to play as R.O.B. and Pit, an MetaKnight xD i want them all!

yeah but as it's been pointed out, that Wolf picture doesn't really fit in with the others

THE JACKEL

[.:kerrod:.]

ending?! eeeeee! i dont wanna watch that :( and JACKAL, you posed taht roster before i could :( :p BUT I'M POSTING MINE ANYWAY DAMMIT!

hey guys, here's an even BETTER (exactly the same) final roster:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3636/finalrosteruh5.jpg :)i cant wait to play as R.O.B. and Pit, an MetaKnight xD i want them all!

yeah but as it's been pointed out, that Wolf picture doesn't really fit in with the others

THE JACKAL

well, i dont think it looks TOO bad...has this game actually been released in Japan?

[Evastio]

It looks like not only Marth, Ness, and Jigglypuff return but Luigi, Captain Falcon, Falco, and Mr. Game & Watch return as well!!! :D And now we've got Lucario, ROB, and Wolf playable. :D (So happy...)

The roster is a little small though. And I'm really against Toon Link. (they shouldn't have two separate characters that can't co-exist like Mario and Dr. Mario and Link and Young Link. It's also quite unfair to other characters who don't have another version of themself playable) That may not be all of the characters though since some of them are probably unobtainable in Adventure Mode (and I doubt they've done the Mewtwo method to try to unlock anything). So for you Pichu, Roy, and Mewtwo fans: there's still hope.

I hope Marth's Shield Breaker isn't weakened now that it's a stabbing move. I'm glad they kept him pretty much the same (complete with his voice actor, counter, and character design :D ).

Now I've really got a lot of questions about Adventure Mode. I guess they'll be answered eventually. My number one question is: is Mr. Game & Watch really hijacking (http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/uporg1224187.jpg) the Halberd (http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/up253939.jpg)!?!? If he is that's really going to make for an awesome and hilarious plot twist!! :D




It was an entirely plausible possibility up until now, and it's not like thinking they would be replaced necessarily means we hoped they would or are mad they are in the game. :rolleyes2

Hahahaha WOW! I never really thought ness would kick the bucket but im very suprised (in a good way of course) to see marth back. Mad props to you evastio for being a believer. Guess it paid off eh?
Aww... Thanks. :D Yeah, it really did pay off.

I guess it was just the way people persistantly believed they'd be removed that made me think they hated them (I know better now though).

[KentaRawr!]

It looks like not many people are too happy about ROB. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uHlMzPSElV8) :greenie:

Apparently stores got it, and a few sold the game early. In Japan, that is. So that's why there's so much stuff coming out about the game now. :monster:

[.:kerrod:.]

yeah, toon link is laaame, i mean, what kind of moves will he have?! and he just looks too damn different to normal (more awesome) link.

I, too, was expecting more characters, but i mean, there ARE 36 of them already and that is a fair few...maybe im just not fully satisfied becuase i wasn't really hoping for a specific character to make it, but i do like a LOT of them :) now i have to work on getting a Wii :(

[KentaRawr!]

What's wrong with Toon Link? If Young Link was just fine and dandy, don't see why he wouldn't be. :p

[Creeping Shadow]

I believe this is the final roster
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/446/1201647066573pq8.jpg

THE JACKAL

Words simply escape me.......:eek:

Yay falco and ganondorf:D

[Evastio]

So no one thinks that Mr. Game & Watch is stealing the Halberd?

What's wrong with Toon Link? If Young Link was just fine and dandy, don't see why he wouldn't be. :p


I'm really against Toon Link. (they shouldn't have two separate characters that can't co-exist like Mario and Dr. Mario and Link and Young Link. It's also quite unfair to other characters who don't have another version of themself playable)
So unless they make it fair by adding Paper Mario, Dark Samus, or other alterations of characters I don't see why Link should have two different characters. (So I'm also against Wolf Link if they don't add other character alterations) Also, that'll only just make people mad if they prioritized another version of Link instead of Roy, Mewtwo, or Pichu. Regular Link should be good enough for all Link fans and if they really had to add him they shouldn't have made him waste a valuable space on the character roster where one of the veterans (besides Young Link and Dr. Mario) or a much wanted newcomer (like Geno, Gooey, Krystal, Black Shadow, or Midna) could've been. I'd be okay if they made him like Wario though.

[Creeping Shadow]

Im sure they will make him at least a little difrent than link. Unless sakurai plans on reapeating history:rolleyes2

P.S. I laughed when I saw those game and watch pics evastio.

[KentaRawr!]

It seems as though Toon Link is our Luigified Young Link. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FeeIYr5wW78) He was likely included just because there was a faster Link in Melee.

Edit: Also, Ganondorf's move-set seems to be based off of his Melee move-set, but he has been given new animations to de-clonify himself.

Edit 2: On the other hand, he only used 2 moves in that video.

[XxSephirothxX]

Cry moar about Celda Link if you want, but who gives a :skull::skull::skull::skull:? He looks awesome.

[Creeping Shadow]

Ugh so ganondorf is still a clone by the looks of it oh well Ill still play as him.

[Roto13]

Why can't Young Link and Link co-exist? They're not the same person. Unless you mean because one of them died decades (or centuries) before the other was born, in which case Marth and Roy wouldn't be able to co-exist, iirc.

[Crossblades]

Why is everyone assuming that Wolf will make an appearance? Did I miss something?

[Skyblade]

Wolf is a fake. Every other picture on the roster has a cut off lower right corner. Wolf's doesn't. On the other hand, the other rows all fit together nicely... So who is in the final slot?

[Creeping Shadow]

I figured that last slot was a random select or something but I cant read japenese so anyones guess is as good as mine.


Enemys become allies

YouTube - Super smash bros Brawl: Marth and Meta Knight (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o9IH9NU6-GY)

[KentaRawr!]

The thing with Wolf is that there was a leak that a bunch of people believed from a little while ago that included all the characters currently revealed, and referred to "Toon Link" the same way. Since it seems to be correct thus far, most people are assuming it actually had some backing to it, and that Wolf is the next guy in.

Edit for being late: The Wolf pictures I've seen are fake, simply due to their using Assault and Command art-work for the character slot, rather than Brawl work. But keep in mind that the fake'd roster pictures aren't the core of why people think he's in.

For more on Toon/WW Link, I'm liking him. Link and Young Link in SSBM had enough differences between them to choose a preference, and even though Toon Link's animations here are based off of Link's, he bears enough differences to justify himself as a separate character. His speed, weight, and power all seem to be entirely different from normal Link's, and his Boomerang doesn't bear the pull-back seen with normal Link, as well as various other move-set differences. Young Link isn't based off of the TP Link seen here, I don't think. I'd find him much more comparable to Young Link of Melee.

Ganondorf's move-set is based off of a clone, sure, but he at least has new animations. The moves themselves had different out-come in SSBM, but now the look has changed as well for the moves it seems. If it looks different, and acts different, I'd say he's no longer a Captain Falcon clone. He's just to the point of similarity to Cap. Falcon. They probably based his move-set off of his Melee move-set for a similar reason that WW Link's is being based off of Young Link's. There were people who played SSBM who main'd them, and those who did recognized their differences from the original fighters.

[Evastio]

I can see it now, Mr. Game & Watch taking over the Halberd and using it against the Subspace Army until Meta Knight catches him and chases him all over the Halberd. :rolleyes2

Why can't Young Link and Link co-exist?
Well technically Link is still Link whether he is Young Link, Wind Waker Link, or Twilight Princess Link. The thing is, there's really no point in adding 2 Link characters unless they add 2 Samuses or 2 Marios to make it fair to other series. Besides, don't you think it's a bit biased to favour Link so much to add two characters of him? Even if he is quicker it's quite repetitive to add him. Even though characters like Mario & Luigi, Fox & Falco, Ness & Lucas, and Captain Falcon & Ganondorf are similar with their fighting styles they're all totally different characters who are totally distinctive in appearance and personality while all the different versions of Link are still technically Link. I actually preferred them adding Snake and Sonic than another version of a character that's already in.

[Creeping Shadow]

The way I see it toon link is just fan service.:p

[KentaRawr!]

Though it's not exactly fair to the other series' in the game, it wouldn't be fair to the players to remove a fighter who was very well varied in terms of stats. You've got to consider that this is a fighting game we're talking about here. And besides, even though they both have the name Link, use items, and wear green, they're very different in design and character.

[Roto13]

@ Evastio: The different versions of Link are not technically the same Link. They're very different Links. They're different people. More different than Mario and Dr. Mario.

Zelda and Mario are Nintendo's two biggest franchises. Mario has Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, DK, Diddy, and Yoshi. Zelda has Link, Zelda, Young Link, and Ganondorf. That's 7 vs. 4.

You need to stop complaining so much about Zelda. Before I smack you. :P

[KentaRawr!]

You both should settle this over a Wi-Fi match. You be Toon Link, Roto. :monster:

[.:kerrod:.]

donkey and diddy?! they're not mario...they're 'Donkey Kong'....

.'. 5 vs. 4...still fair

haha, and the Wi-Fi match is a great idea :p

[Roto13]

Donkey Kong is in all of the Mario spinoff games, and he was the villain in the first ever Mario game. :P I think Diddy has been in a bunch of spinoffs, too.

[KentaRawr!]

I'd say Donkey Kong has established his own series. He may appear in the Mario Party games, but the design and moves do seem to be mostly inspired by the Donkey Kong Country games. Plus, Diddy Kong first appeared in Donkey Kong Country. And also, we should consider that the title that both DK and Mario debuted in was called "Donkey Kong". Mario's more of a DK character than DK is a Mario character.

[.:kerrod:.]

i suppose so, but they have their own series now and i forgot about the first mario game :p, timeless, i love that game...but anyway, yeah, their own series with their own side-characters and spin-offs, so i think they have the right to be called their own franchise...and therefore, left out of 'mario' classification

[KentaRawr!]

Ganondorf is officially not a clone, I say. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0)

[Evastio]

You both should settle this over a Wi-Fi match. You be Toon Link, Roto. :monster:
And I'll be the Marth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFjaoYZ7jlA).

But, that's just my opinion though. If they added only Dark Samus or only Paper Mario without any extra versions of the other characters I'd also find it wrong. I also technically consider Paper Mario and Dark Samus to be the same as Samus and Mario. So I'm not just bashing on Zelda like you think I am.

And as I said before I'm somewhat against the idea of really redundant things being added because it leaves less room for more unique and classic things to be put in Brawl.

[.:kerrod:.]

check out my extremely large signature before it gets removed y'all :p :D

EDIT: hmm, overly big, changing to a slightly less big one :D yay brawl

[Creeping Shadow]

Ganondorf is officially not a clone, I say. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0)


Oh thank god. Although he still seems a little clonish but not as bad as in melee. I will miss the purple energy though.

[.:kerrod:.]

Ganondorf is officially not a clone, I say. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0)


Oh thank god. Although he still seems a little clonish but not as bad as in melee. I will miss the purple energy though.

yeah me too, that was like, his 'thing'...what does he have now? a few physical things...how very original...*cough*:rolleyes2

[Markus. D]

Ganondorf is officially not a clone, I say. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0)


Oh thank god. Although he still seems a little clonish but not as bad as in melee. I will miss the purple energy though.

I liked in the end how he said "Oh, that's new"...

[KentaRawr!]

It appears as though Lucario is indeed a Ninja. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4E5iEeigcuc) Somewhat slow, but still a Ninja.

Edit: More Lucario stuff. Some nice Classic Mode footage. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cEeD7x1Bo&feature=user)

[.:kerrod:.]

dammit, he found my sig :p
anyway, that's awesome how lucario can jump up walls...insane

[Markus. D]

Lucario is fricken'... brilliant!

The Final Smash made me melt :3

[KentaRawr!]

Now there's a tournament illegal stage! :joker: (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YmFhcebChAI) Of course, it's a created stage.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Lucario looks like the perfect character for me....
plus he looks like a jackal...

THE JACKEL

[Monol]

I hope mewtwo still makes it...doubt it but this is me still hoping :mad:

[.:kerrod:.]

haha, what is it with you and jackals?
As for Lucario, he may just be my next main, because Mewtwo was my old one (unless i needed some body who was fast -_-) and he not only has similar moves, but is faster, fixing pretty much the only problem i had with him :) in saying that, there are so many other awesome people...

EDIT: Wow, why did 'jackal' come up in caps?! that's awesome, but why (let's hope it does it with this one ^_^)

EDIT2: It went back to normal :(...wtf was that?

TEST: jackel jackal

FINDINGS: ah, i get it, if you spell jackal with an 'e' instaead of the second 'a', it changes to an 'a' and caps...perculiar

[Creeping Shadow]

Now there's a tournament illegal stage! :joker: (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YmFhcebChAI) Of course, it's a created stage.


That stage was cool Im surprised how deep the stage builder can get.

[ljkkjlcm9]

haha, what is it with you and jackals?
As for Lucario, he may just be my next main, because Mewtwo was my old one (unless i needed some body who was fast -_-) and he not only has similar moves, but is faster, fixing pretty much the only problem i had with him :) in saying that, there are so many other awesome people...

EDIT: Wow, why did 'jackal' come up in caps?! that's awesome, but why (let's hope it does it with this one ^_^)

EDIT2: It went back to normal :(...wtf was that?

TEST: JACKAL jackal

FINDINGS: ah, i get it, if you spell jackal with an 'e' instaead of the second 'a', it changes to an 'a' and caps...perculiar

you mean it's not just for me! I always type it with an E.

But yeah, I loved mewtwo but sometimes he was just two slow. Mr. Lucario seems to be that but faster! I'm looking forward to using him.

and for those who wanted Wolf confirmed
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/706/wolfjm5.jpg

THE JACKEL

[Monol]

....CRAP!! :eek:
Wolfs soo lame lol
Uhh krystal for an assist trophy?

[Skyblade]

Lots of info here (http://gonintendo.com/?p=34396). Not sure if JKTrix's site had this same information, but I can actually get to this page, so...

Confirmation of Ridley as a boss fight, yay!

[JKTrix]

There's lots of different blogs around that are serving as an aggregate for all these spoilers, especially with the 'main sites' taking a hammering.

One thing that Go Nintendo thing had that I hadn't seen though, is instructions to a live stream of someone playing Brawl. That was cool. I'm not exactly scouring the internet looking for details though, there's a couple other sites I go to that have people doing that :p

Loving Lucario's KamehamehAura Sphere (http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/122/moreoflucariosfseo4.jpg). Methinks he'll be a popular choice.

[KentaRawr!]

It's good to see Wolf isn't a clone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H6uRcUADi8). I've not seen Falco fight yet, though. From what I can see, Toon Link is the only "clone" of the game, but I bet Falco might change that when I see him.

[Rase]

Loving all the info. I'm not one who really cares if something is spoiled for me or not, so meh. Just gives me a goal to unlock them.

EDIT: In the first video on the site Skyblade posted, anyone else notice Wario stopping the rolling barrel and picking it up around 1:27 or so?

[demondude]

Is that really the final roster?

Jigglypuff!!!!!????!!!111love!!!

[Trumpet Thief]

Maybe it's just me, but I had really high expectations for the final roster. A 35 character roster with clones leaves me wantin' more, especially with the likes of Ridley, Geno, K. Rool, etc. not being playable.

[KentaRawr!]

I'm liking it all right. Besides, the only clone I can see from the videos posted in this thread is Toon Link. Wolf's video is a bit blurry, but the only moves that really stand out are entirely different from Fox.

[Creeping Shadow]

It's good to see Wolf isn't a clone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H6uRcUADi8). I've not seen Falco fight yet, though. From what I can see, Toon Link is the only "clone" of the game, but I bet Falco might change that when I see him.


YouTube - Super Smash Bros. Brawl; Lucario FS + Falco FS Gameplay (2M) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk9xKVsegWE)

Be the jugde of that yourself (falco comes in a little later)


YouTube - Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Marth's 14 Min SSE (1/2) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fRzKCR0ohMI)

Marths skills have improved but he seems a tad slower


YouTube - Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Marth's 14 Min SSE (2/2) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=VE45vUnNCjw&feature=related)


Part 2

[KentaRawr!]

Thanks for the Falco video. Though perhaps you should note that the Marth videos bear Story Mode spoilers. :choc:

[Creeping Shadow]

Thanks for the Falco video.

Its what I do

BTW does anyone have a luigi gameplay video they can post?

[KentaRawr!]

I saw a Target Test somewhere with him in it.

[Creeping Shadow]

I saw a Target Test somewhere with him in it.

Thanks ill look it up. :)

[Monol]

Its perfectly fine to be a little bummed by the final roster.You are paying for the game after all and personally im not a big fan of the final roster at all.

Infact i think thats the most dissapointing aspect of the game.
(Here comes another uber long rant...huzzah! ;) )

Sub space looks fantastic, ALL the arenas are superb, items look fun, pokemon seem more diverse, AT rock, musics phenominal, stage edit looks neat and even target test and home run seem fun.

But im one of those pepole that play fighting games for oh i dont know...the CHARACTERS! Dont get me wrong theres not a single character that i mind thats on the roster (yes including R.O.B.) but i felt there are certain characters that deserved priority over others.

Ok first lets look at the number....35. Now thats not SO bad (it could be sooo much worst) but lets take a look at the leaps smash has made over the years in terms of characters. Super smash bros. had 12 characters. It was released january 21 1999. Melee came out in 2001...thats a 2 yr difference and we boosted to 25 characters(26 if you count shiek)! Wow thats more then double the origonal roster! Now comes brawl early 2008. Seven freakin years later and we get 10 more characters. But thats NOT the part that upsets me. Now for the venting...

Sakuri promised no more clones. Suure most characters are luigified at the moment but what the heck?! Ness and falcos FS's are the same as lucas and fox?! Wolf and falco move like fox? Cartoon link plays like regular link? Ganon has no sword?! Now i admire these characters and im glad there in the game and all and suure there a tad bit different but heres the issue...make the ORIGINALs FIRST theen worry about clones or luigified characters. Sures it nice to see ness back but put him next to lucas and there almost identical. But claus (lucas's twin brother...hehe ironry eh?) could have had twice as much potential because he could have represented a villain for the mother series but noo we just get a kid who uses a snake and a kid with a yo-yo who just so happen to both be protaganists. Umm wheres krystal!? Sakuri said he wanted more females so where the heck is the most wanted female rep for the star fox series? Why on earth would he put three very similar male characters to rep a series but not the only logical female rep? (who could EASILY have her own original move set...staff,magic user for the star fox team whos ALSO a female...kill two birds with one stone easy) And thats wonderful that marth made it back but hes just a fast ike...why not bring a spear user or a FEMALE or SOMTHING unique! Theres more the fire emblem series then blue haired sword wielding good guys for crying out loud. But what probably peeves me the most is lucario. Replacing mewtwo with that cool looking dude...boo! I think lucarios awsome but why does Mewtwo get the shaft and ness and marth dont? At least if you put him next to lucario you wont get confused between the two if you looked at the sword and some goofy hat *glares at ness and marth*. I mean come on Mewtwos THE badguy pokemon. He has his own voice, hes psychic (makes for a creative move set) and back story (sort of but then again so does lucario so thats a weak argument there) And all these characters had an awsome chance of making it if the developers didnt use all there time on stuff like stickers, AT's, subspace and all the garbage. As i said before good characters come first in a fighting game.

Which is why i refuse to believe 35 is the final roster. I still have hope and believe in nintendo to pull through on this one. Pleease nintendo...dont ruin everything!! :cry: :eek: :( :mad:

On a serious note the game looks fantastic and i'll play it either way. :)

[Roto13]

35 is a hell of a lot of characters. O_o

[KentaRawr!]

Yeah, seriously. It might not be big for, say, an encyclopedia of Nintendo, but that's what trophies are for. This is a fighting game we're talking about here. Besides, how much could they really change the characters from Game 2 to Game 3 without slapping people who played Game 2 in the face about their mains?

[Skyblade]

Thus far, Falco is the most disappointing character. I understand and don't mind clone characters, but I'm sorry, they should have given him a different Final Smash. Even if the movesets and playstyles are similar, the Final Smash moves shouldn't ever repeat. I hope Toon Link doesn't have that problem.

PS: What's R.O.B.'s Final Smash? Anyone seen it yet?

[JKTrix]

Fox, Falco and Wolf (http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/wolf-final-smash-red-landmaster-in-super-smash-bros-brawl.jpg) have the same final smash, apparently. Just different colours.

[KentaRawr!]

Indeed. A real shame, especially considering that according to Falco in Star Fox 64, he does NOT like the Landmaster.

In other news, I REALLY like this track. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMQuZqbMQlU)

[Trumpet Thief]

I burst out laughing when I found out Fox, Falco, AND Wolf all had Landmaster as their FS.

What's next?

http://:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/view.php?pic=2elv40j&s=3

[XxSephirothxX]

I remember being in 8th grade when Melee came out, and reading all the :skull::skull::skull::skull: about it and discovering the "rumored" unlockable characters, and I was so bummed. Marth, Roy? Who were those guys?

Well, six years later, and I still play that game. Needless to say, it's not such a big deal. People who moan about how some clone got in instead of whatever character they wanted should keep in mind that the amount of resources and time it would take to create a new character would likely prevent that character from getting in altogether. So what would you rather have--Falco, Wolf, Gannondorf, and Toon Link, or 31 characters?

[Trumpet Thief]

Yeah, but you've got to consider that they went into Brawl with WAY more people than they did for Melee, they got double the time to work on Brawl than Melee, and really, considering there were many people expecting rosters from 40-42, I don't think it would be wrong to think that they should've at least made a roster of 35 with clones.

Then again, they also introduced a whole lot of other features which is probably why the roster has a couple of clones. Personally, I would've preferred less stickers, assist trophies, and game modes, and a couple more character, or at least some clones removed.

But overall this roster is pretty good. I'm sure when I pick up the game I'll forget about all of my complains. :p

I just think it's kind of funny that Wolf, Falco, and Fox all share the same Final Smash.

[Skyblade]

Indeed. A real shame, especially considering that according to Falco in Star Fox 64, he does NOT like the Landmaster.

In other news, I REALLY like this track. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMQuZqbMQlU)

I wonder if Marth is going to get Great Aether.

That music is nice. I also like the Fire Emblem music that starts up at 2:30 of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6MxXU-4vPU) clip. Wish they'd put more of these songs on the main site.

[KentaRawr!]

Marth getting Great Aether would be so sad, simply because it would make no sense what-so-ever. :monster:

[Skyblade]

Marth getting Great Aether would be so sad, simply because it would make no sense what-so-ever. :monster:

Neither does Wolf or Falco getting the Landmaster.

[Evastio]

As I said before Marth's Final Smash will probably be transforming into Anri (seeing how he's a descendant of the hero Anri).

[KentaRawr!]

According to some people on Gamefaqs, his Final Smash is a Fire Emblem battle. :p

[Skyblade]

According to some people on Gamefaqs, his Final Smash is a Fire Emblem battle. :p

I must conclude that by that you do not mean that SSBB becomes a TRPG for a short time.

[Heath]

Now there's a tournament illegal stage! :joker: (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YmFhcebChAI) Of course, it's a created stage.

Best thing about that video was the Meta-Ridley music. Still, the stage looks pretty awesome with the ladders, I have to say.

[Evastio]

Someone explain Luigi's Final Smash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny89V-SKS3U) to me?

[ljkkjlcm9]

Someone explain Luigi's Final Smash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny89V-SKS3U) to me?

I believe it slows time in the area around him, aka, slowing enemies for a pummeling

THE JACKEL

[Ouch!]

I absolutely love the way the announcer said, "The winner is... Luigi." xD

[KentaRawr!]

According to some people on Gamefaqs, his Final Smash is a Fire Emblem battle. :p

I must conclude that by that you do not mean that SSBB becomes a TRPG for a short time.

Oh, yes, perhaps I should clarify. It turns into a Fire Emblem encounter, when you attack an enemy unit or an enemy unit attacks you. Marth attacks enemy, critical hit, HP to 0. :D

[Woodinator]

Someone explain Luigi's Final Smash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny89V-SKS3U) to me?

I believe it slows time in the area around him, aka, slowing enemies for a pummeling

THE JACKAL

looked like it was gradually damaging enemies inside the area as well

[Creeping Shadow]

According to some people on Gamefaqs, his Final Smash is a Fire Emblem battle. :p

I must conclude that by that you do not mean that SSBB becomes a TRPG for a short time.

Oh, yes, perhaps I should clarify. It turns into a Fire Emblem encounter, when you attack an enemy unit or an enemy unit attacks you. Marth attacks enemy, critical hit, HP to 0. :D


As cool as that sounds it still sounds like a rumor considering the Gamefaqs boards are a little...Well less than credible and full of spam:p