EoFF Tournament Returns!

[Laddy]

Hello, hello, the Final Fantasy Tournament returns! The rules:

-Do not vote for a character simply because you like him/her.
-Don't spam up this site, just vote and create a halfway-decent comment.
-Be fair and don't complain about the winner unles you feel someone cheated.

Anyway, the rounds.

Round 1: Ricard .VS. Zell
Round 2: Barret .VS. Yuna
Round 3: Terra .VS. Quina
Round 4: FuSoYa .VS. Red Mage
Round 5: Aeris .VS. Edgar
Round 6: Kimahri .VS. Balthier
Round 7: Rosa .VS. Basch
Round 8: Umaro .VS. Cloud
Round 9: Rikku .VS. Firion
Round 10: White Mage .VS. Vivi
Round 11: Ingus .VS. Bartz
Round 12: Tifa .VS. Selphie
Round 13: Gogo .VS. Tidus
Round 14: Locke .VS. Vaan
Round 15: Ashe .VS. RedXIII
Round 16: Cid (FF4) .VS. Black Belt
Round 17: Leon .VS. Quitsis
Round 18: Celes .VS. Auron
Round 19: Galuf .VS. Shadow
Round 20: Cait Sith .VS. Zidane
Round 21: Lulu .VS. Thief
Round 22: Refia .VS. Krile
Round 22: Maria .VS. Rinoa
Round 23: Dagger .VS. Cid (FF7)
Round 24: Palom .VS. Yuffie
Round 25: Relm .VS. Minmu
Round 26: Sabin .VS. Vincent
Round 27: Steiner .VS. Arc
Round 28: Irvine .VS. Cecil
Round 29: Freya .VS. Luneth
Round 30: Faris .VS. Amarant
Round 31: Paine .VS. Fran
Round 32: Penelo .VS. Gordon

Now Round 1

Ricard .VS. Zell!
Now, voe!

[qwertysaur]

Ricard, because he can ride a dragon and evade zell's punches.

[jammi567]

Zell, because he can do some of the most amazing moves that no normal human should be able to do.

[Laddy]

I, personally, will go with Zell.

[demondude]

Yay this looks cool i'll go with ricard

[Goldenboko]

Zell, because he can do some of the most amazing moves that no normal human should be able to do.

Don't forget Zell's advantage of Graphics, no normal human should be able to cast a spell but they do in FFs.

Ricard, because I'm unimpressed by Zell always.

[Flying Mullet]

Zells Fists of Fury!!

[Snap Jumper]

Ricard. He doesn't run his mouth as much.

[Takara]

Ricard. He's not as hyperactive as Zell, therefore he's less annoying.

[Hazzard]

Zell, because he has sex toys in his room.

[Timster]

Zell... he would probably be the winner in a fight...

[Bolivar]

Ricard, last of the dragoons, had a wyvern, zell's just some kid.

[Slothy]

Ricard. Zell is annoying and not really that powerful or useful to be honest.

[Vivisteiner]

Zell.

His combos are immense if you do them really fast.

[Laddy]

Round 1 ends tomorrow.

[Flying Mullet]

Round 1 ends when Zells says it ends.
http://www.eternal-legend.com/ffviii/pcs/shots/zell.jpg

[Hazzard]

Zell kisses Dragoon butt!!!!!!! Then boots it a mile away, Gangsta, homie, essai!!!

[Firo Volondé]

I thought we all decided Squall would win a popularity contest... oh well.

Ricard because dragoon >>> monk.

[f f freak]

Ricard. He could stab zell with his spear while zell was trying to punch him.

[aquatius]

Zell.

[Garnie]

Zell because hes a monstar!

[Laddy]

Ricard: 9 Zell: 8

So, Ricard impales zell and throws him off a cliff!

Now, Round 2...

YUNA VS. BARRET

This will be fun. Barret, becuase he can shoot Yuna before she can summon.

[Snap Jumper]

Yuna. Barret's gun only zaps her for a couple hundred HP, so Yuna lives through his attack. Meanwhile, she summons Bahamut for massive damage, and good bye Barret.

[Goldenboko]

Guns are faster then spells so...
Barret.

[Takara]

Barret, he got a freaking machine gun for a right arm. What does Yuna have? A crush on whiny Tidus. Woo. Gun > Tidus, therefore Barret > Yuna.

[demondude]

yuna just beacause ANIMA FTW:)

[f f freak]

Yuna. She could set her summon animation to short then summon the Magus Sisters and watch as he gets killed by Mindy's bum pellets. And Cindy could squash him. And Sandy could Use Razzia on him.

[aquatius]

Barret, because Yuna sucks.

[Slothy]

Magus Sisters take this one, and by extension, Yuna wins.

[Hazzard]

Barret has too much heart for that bitch to handle. While shes practicing suckin' on her summoning rod, Barret is out blowing up reactors!!!

[qwertysaur]

Yuna would win, because final fantasy is the only game where you can be shot repeatedly and still live. Anima or the Magus sisters would then destroy Barret.

[Renmiri]

Yuna would win

[atlanteay]

Barret. Yuna has weak defenses by default and her summons take forever to come so before she summoned anything, Barret would shoot her down.

[hplvr]

Barret Definatly, cuz he would blow her face up while Yuna will be taking an eternity summoning her aeons

[Bolivar]

Barret can use Knights of the Round. Or two Bahamut ZEROs. Or 4 Ultimas...

[Firo Volondé]

Real world mechanics, I doubt Barret could handle an Aeon. And in-game, First Strike + Oblivion = Dead Barret.

[Laddy]

Real world mechanics
Yet some small 17 year-old can call powerful beasts with no problem?

Barret-7 Yuna-6
So Barret shoots Yuna and pushes her off a cliff.

Terra Vs. Quina
Which darling lass wins? I'm gonna go with Quina.

[demondude]

Real world mechanics
Yet some small 17 year-old can call powerful beasts with no problem?

You're the host you should stop trying to change peoples minds:p

[PuPu]

Terra Vs. Quina
Which darling lass wins?

I don't know how you could call Quina a lass.

Terra would win, by the way.

[demondude]

Quina would eat his way to victory:)

[Goldenboko]

Sadly I have to agree with PuPu

Terra would obliterate Quina :(

[Slothy]

Terra. Half Esper beats androgenous over eater any day.

[Comet]

Terra because I have never heard of Quina.

[jammi567]

Quina, because everyone else is just being biased.

[Hazzard]

Quina is fat, from IX
Terra has green hair, from VI

I go for the fattie chef dicing motherfucker

[Takara]

Quina, s/he is only in for the food, and has some of the best moments and lines in FF history. And s/he can marry Vivi if you choose so.

I like Terra, too, but her Esper form would have been more awesome if it wasn't bubblegum pink. Blue > Pink, so Quina > Terra.

[Snap Jumper]

Well, Quina attacks with forks and she can learn blue magic. She likes to eat too much, too. Blue magic and forks up against Terra, who has swords, white magic, black magic, and can Morph for double power? Terra wins.

[PuPu]

Quina, because everyone else is just being biased.
Probably 90% of all these posts are biased. This thread is meant to be who would win in a fight, but in reality, it is a popularity contest. The last one had 3 FF7 characters and Squall for finalists. Just be unbiased and vote for who you actually believe would win. If you can't deal with it, don't go in this thread.

[Cezanzo]

Quina would use Matra Magic (I think that's the one) and bring Terra's HP down to 1. Then Quina would us it's "eat" attack and learn something. That something...I dont know.

uh...Quina would win!

[Auragaea]

Well, taking an unbiased view (since both are my some of my favorite characters), I believe that Terra would win. She can go Esper on Quina and kill her with Merton or Ultima.

Or Quina could just eat her, winning the match entirely.

Edit:

In fact, using game mechanics, Quina would be able to defeat any character easily by eating them.

[Rocket Edge]

Quina.

[Ashley Schovitz]

Yuna first casts Auto-Life and Protect on her to deflect Barret's bullets not like she needs to with her high evasion. Yuna thereby summons any summon, or wait she doesn't need to summon, a good Holy spell will take him out in one shot.

[Takara]

Sorry, Ashley, but the Yuna/Barret round ended.

[Ashley Schovitz]

but I had a good valid argument!:(

[Laddy]

Quina a lass.
Well, she was my wife before Christmas came into the picture...

The reason behind my vote for Quina is because she can cast Matra Magic, Frog Drop, and White Wind. There, she can attack and heal right there! While Terra may be more well-rounded, Quina can just eat Terra after Matra Magic or a few Frog Drops!

[Firo Volondé]

Real world mechanics
Yet some small 17 year-old can call powerful beasts with no problem?

And I suppose materia is perfectly natural? :p I meant real-world mechanics as in AC for Barret, and what Yuna would know after going around her part of the sphere grid, i.e. white magic and summoning.

I don't see Quina winning this one, seeing as Terra is half-esper. I doubt s/he could match Terra in speed, and Matra Magic wouldn't work because Terra would have high MP.

[Ultima Shadow]

No Rydia? Then this thread has failed! :(

[Slothy]

The reason behind my vote for Quina is because she can cast Matra Magic, Frog Drop, and White Wind. There, she can attack and heal right there! While Terra may be more well-rounded, Quina can just eat Terra after Matra Magic or a few Frog Drops!

Gembox + Quick = more Ultimas back to back than Quina can possibly stand up against. Maxed Magic Evasion means Quina's abilities never hit Terra as well. Actually, thanks to some broken stats, pretty much every FFVI character can't be beaten. :rolleyes2

[Bolivar]

The reason behind my vote for Quina is because she can cast Matra Magic, Frog Drop, and White Wind. There, she can attack and heal right there! While Terra may be more well-rounded, Quina can just eat Terra after Matra Magic or a few Frog Drops!

Gembox + Quick = more Ultimas back to back than Quina can possibly stand up against. Maxed Magic Evasion means Quina's abilities never hit Terra as well. Actually, thanks to some broken stats, pretty much every FFVI character can't be beaten. :rolleyes2

Pretty much sums it up. Terra. Although I think we should leave that last part out of this discussion.

[Laddy]

But you need to assume the BASE character, BTW. Quina would incinerate Terra with her higher strength, though. If she has the Rebirth Ring and Auto-Life equipped, she will be revived twice, she also has her kick ass trance abilities as well as Eat, seems pretty fair to me, Quina.

[Northcrest]

Terra She could cast awesome magic and also turn into a Esper that would kick major butt.

[Slothy]

But you need to assume the BASE character, BTW. Quina would incinerate Terra with her higher strength, though. If she has the Rebirth Ring and Auto-Life equipped, she will be revived twice, she also has her kick ass trance abilities as well as Eat, seems pretty fair to me, Quina.

If you're assuming Rebirth Ring and Auto-Life for Quina then my previously mentioned Gembox + Quick combo would still apply for Terra. So Quina gets revived twice? Doesn't help much if you're hit with five Ultimas. You also don't have to do any stat manipulating with Espers to max her Magic Evasion really, but I agree that should be left out for the purpose of not breaking the tournament.

[f f freak]

But you need to assume the BASE character, BTW. Quina would incinerate Terra with her higher strength, though. If she has the Rebirth Ring and Auto-Life equipped, she will be revived twice, she also has her kick ass trance abilities as well as Eat, seems pretty fair to me, Quina.
Terra would win if you use BASE character. Quina has no abilities, no armour and a crappy regular fork. Terra has Cure and Fire a decent weapon and armor I think.

[Laddy]

Terra-9 Quina-7 So Terra explodes QUina when she's swallowed!

Next,

FuSoYa VS Red Mage
Red Mage would slash, heal, and spell to victory!

[Slothy]

The trouble with your typical red mage is that they're a jack of all trades and master of none. They lack higher level magics and the ability to use the stronger weapons, as well as the devestating power of someone like Fighter when using them (though granted they are no slouch either). I give it to FuSoYa after one Meteo. Odds are he can survive at least one attack from a Red Mage regardless of what it is giving him time to cast.

[Northcrest]

Red mage can cast any spell from white, black, arcane, green, time, and can use really cool swords now that tops everything FuSoYa can do.

[ReloadPsi]

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FuSoYa may have better spells, but he's too damn slow. Red Mage would cut him up rougher than a sacrifice article in the time it takes FuSoYa to cast anything worthy of a flinch, or possibly ever Mute him, forcing them to battle it out hand to hand, at which point it becomes pretty darn obvious who's gonna win (Red Mage)

[Snap Jumper]

Fussy is just too old and slow. Red Mage is faster with a better weapon draw. Red Mage wins.

[Takara]

Actually, red mages can't cast ALL magics. The highest spheres are not accessible to them, whereas FuSoYa can cast ALL White and Black Magic spells.

Plus, he can turn into a mop. That's convenient. And when you get him, he's already at level 50, so HAH!

So my vote goes to FuSoYa.

[Firo Volondé]

We're talking about FF1 Red Mage here, right? He would be unable to cast Arcan, Time or Green Magic. In that case, I'd have to say FuSoYa here. He just doesn't have enough magic power or versatility to compete with FuSoYa, or the physical strength to take out FuSoYa while he casts.

[Cezanzo]

I never played a FF game with Red Mage, I did with FuSoYa though. But by what everyone else is saying, Red Mage sounds pretty cool. I guess I'll have to go with him.

YAY RED MAGE!

[demondude]

fusoya ftw

[Ashley Schovitz]

FuSoya the last lunarian

[jammi567]

Red Mage, no contest, judging by what people have voted.

[Auragaea]

Red Mage. FuSoYa is a mage, therefore he has low defense. Red Mage (FFI) can just use Haste on himself and attack FuSoYa with Masamune to kill him.

[Goldenboko]

Red Mage, FuSoYa is way too slow.

[Laddy]

Red Mage-6 FuSoYa-4

Looks like Red Mage casts teeny spells to victory!

Aeris .VS. Edgar
Sorry Aeris, but Edgar's tools pwn.

[Snap Jumper]

Planet Protector won't help much when a guy with a chainsaw and a drill is attacking. Edgar wins!

[qwertysaur]

Aeris, Edga would never attack, only flirt with her, while she casts magic at him.

[jammi567]

Egar, as he would find her too weak to flirt with.

[Hazzard]

Seeing as I've never played VI, I vote for Aeris.

[No.78]

Edgar, he'd just bombard her with crossbow bolts and whatnot. Sure, she has a pole, but that wouldn't last long against his chainsaw.

Its quite worrying actually. Why did Aeris sign up for this? XD

[Firo Volondé]

Aeris. I'd like to see Edgar try to get past Great Gospel.

[Slothy]

Edgar. Aside from the fact that he could cut her up with a chainsaw, or take a drill to her, or use any number of other tools in a rather viscious and sadistic fashion, he could also just wack her with a good Ultima spell or something. What magic he has isn't dependant on having materia either, and once he cuts off her arms, let's see her use the materia in her staff to cast anything.

[Snap Jumper]

Aeris. I'd like to see Edgar try to get past Great Gospel.

Yea, but Aeris would have to get beaten up before she could use it.

[PuPu]

Edit: Edgar.

[demondude]

edger ftw

[f f freak]

Edgar. He'd chainsaw and drill her.

Aeris does have the power of Holy
So does Edgar.

[PuPu]

Aeris does have the power of Holy
So does Edgar.

Holy in FF7 has storyline significance and is the world's most powerful force. Holy in FF6 is just a spell, nothing more. Aeris is powerful enough to stop Meteor with her Holy; Edgar can't do anything with his Holy except damage a foe.

Actually, Edgar isn't even a mage and can't cast Holy without the Espers anyways, so your point is irrelevant.

[f f freak]

Actually, Edgar isn't even a mage and can't cast Holy without the Espers anyways, so your point is irrelevant.
Aeris needs Materia to use magic. And while she does have the holy materia the amount of time she spent praying Edgar could just stab her eyes out and watch as they don't bleed.

[demondude]

Everyones forgetting the fact that edgar has a cape INSTANT WIN!

that and he has a castle that can swim in sand:p

[PuPu]

Actually, Edgar isn't even a mage and can't cast Holy without the Espers anyways, so your point is irrelevant.
Aeris needs Materia to use magic. And while she does have the holy materia the amount of time she spent praying Edgar could just stab her eyes out and watch as they don't bleed.
Magic in FF7 is materia. It's like saying that a Black Mage from FF1 needs the Fire spell to cast Fire. Also, by having Edgar stab her while she's praying, you're putting Edgar in a situation where he would have an advantage. I could also give Aeris a similar advantage by putting Edgar at a distance far enough for her to cast a spell before he attacks.
Also, just because Sephiroth is strong enough to kill Aeris, doesn't mean Edgar is as well.

[Slothy]

Actually, Edgar isn't even a mage and can't cast Holy without the Espers anyways, so your point is irrelevant.
Aeris needs Materia to use magic. And while she does have the holy materia the amount of time she spent praying Edgar could just stab her eyes out and watch as they don't bleed.
Magic in FF7 is materia. It's like saying that a Black Mage from FF1 needs the Fire spell to cast Fire. Also, by having Edgar stab her while she's praying, you're putting Edgar in a situation where he would have an advantage. I could also give Aeris a similar advantage by putting Edgar at a distance far enough for her to cast a spell before he attacks.
Also, just because Sephiroth is strong enough to kill Aeris, doesn't mean Edgar is as well.

I think the general assumption is that the two characters are fighting, and as such are within a range necessary to actually fight eachother. With that said, Holy doesn't come in to play since Aeris had to spend a fair amount of time praying to use it. Trying to would leave her vulnerable and ensure that even if she summons Holy, she still dies first. In a straight out fight, she still dies since she isn't much of a fighter and is no more proficient a mage than Edgar really. Like I said before, tools aside, one Ultima from Edgar ends it before Aeris can do anything worth noting.

[Laddy]

BTW, Hazzard, Edgar is your avatar. :D

[f f freak]

Actually, Edgar isn't even a mage and can't cast Holy without the Espers anyways, so your point is irrelevant.
Aeris needs Materia to use magic. And while she does have the holy materia the amount of time she spent praying Edgar could just stab her eyes out and watch as they don't bleed.
Magic in FF7 is materia. It's like saying that a Black Mage from FF1 needs the Fire spell to cast Fire. Also, by having Edgar stab her while she's praying, you're putting Edgar in a situation where he would have an advantage. I could also give Aeris a similar advantage by putting Edgar at a distance far enough for her to cast a spell before he attacks.
Also, just because Sephiroth is strong enough to kill Aeris, doesn't mean Edgar is as well.

No. Of course you're right. Because a sword through the back can kill a person yet a drill in the face can't. Also Magic in FFVI is Espers. So if Aeris could have Materia then Edgar could have Espers. So therefore if Aeris could cast a spell from a distance then so could Edgar so there is still no advantage for Aeris.

[Takara]

I was under the impression that Holy in FFVII is only good to counter the Meteor spell. :P

Edgar wins. He's sexy, he's the king of a castle that can move through sand, he's got a cape, and he's got a chainsaw. You don't want to piss off the guy with the chainsaw. Especially if he also has an auto-crossbow, a bio-blaster, a noise-blaster, a drill...

[PuPu]

Well alright, I admit that I was wrong. In fact, I'm kind of glad I was wrong, since I do like Edgar better. But I still stand by the fact that Edgar cannot have magic. Aeris has the power of Holy based on the story of FF7, while Edgar's spells are just attacks in battle. When you say that Edgar has the power of magic, you are going into battle mechanics, which are a horrible way to determine fights. When I determine who would win fights, I look at their strengths and weaknesses through the storyline. The storyline of FF7 says Aeris gets Holy, but nowhere in FF6 does it say Edgar has Ultima or Holy, or whatever spell. In fact, if you think about it, Tools are also just attacks in battle, since I never remember the story saying anything about his tools, and shouldn't be counted unless you use battle mechanics. But still, I guess almost anyone could kill Aeris before she even uses Holy...

I don't think it's possible for me to change my vote anymore though. Oh well.

[Slothy]

Well alright, I admit that I was wrong. In fact, I'm kind of glad I was wrong, since I do like Edgar better. But I still stand by the fact that Edgar cannot have magic. Aeris has the power of Holy based on the story of FF7, while Edgar's spells are just attacks in battle. When you say that Edgar has the power of magic, you are going into battle mechanics, which are a horrible way to determine fights. When I determine who would win fights, I look at their strengths and weaknesses through the storyline. The storyline of FF7 says Aeris gets Holy, but nowhere in FF6 does it say Edgar has Ultima or Holy, or whatever spell. In fact, if you think about it, Tools are also just attacks in battle, since I never remember the story saying anything about his tools, and shouldn't be counted unless you use battle mechanics. But still, I guess almost anyone could kill Aeris before she even uses Holy...

I don't think it's possible for me to change my vote anymore though. Oh well.

Technically though, it was her Aeris mothers materia that let her use Holy and if you count that, then counting other materia and Espers has to be valid. As for Tools, I see the point about not using battle mechanics to determine what they could do, but then, you don't need battle mechanics to tell you what a chainsaw would do to Aeris' face really, especially considering she's a terrible hand to hand fighter. :D

[demondude]

I don't care who wins quina lost so this thread fails anyway:(

[Laddy]

Edgar-9 Aeris-3 Edgar implaes Aeris with imaginary toothpicks!

Next,

Kimahri VS Balthier
Even though I prefer Balthier, Kimahri's skills will kill him.

[demondude]

Lol this ones interesting

balthier just cus he can run kimarhi over with the strahl:cool:

[Slothy]

I'll give it to Balthier though it could go either way. The way I see it, Kimahri uses Jump and Balthier shoots him out of the air.

[qwertysaur]

Kimahri would win because he would just need to use lancet until Balthier falls.

[Takara]

Balthier. He IS the leading man.

[Firo Volondé]

Hm... It would come down to a battle of strength, since neither really specialises in magic. And a Ronso would be naturally that much stronger than a human... so Kimahri.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Physically as a Ronso Khimari is stronger and more agile, but we must remember that Tidus was able to take him on even footing at the beginning of FFX.

Balthier's had a good deal of training to him already and (and this is the clincher) is a gun specialist. Guns have a lot of stopping power, especially against stronger foes as they can penetrate armor and tough hides (Khimari having more of the latter than the former).

Balthier's quick enough to get a few shots off, which should do plenty to down Khimari. From the way it was portrayed, Ronso have an edge against humans in physical combat, but the gap is far from overwhelming and they don't possess an unnaturally high toughness.

[Cledarius]

Kimahri

While Balthier has to load his gun and aim for Kimahri, Kimahri has more than enough time to attack and strike Balthier down.

[Goldenboko]

Physically as a Ronso Khimari is stronger and more agile, but we must remember that Tidus was able to take him on even footing at the beginning of FFX.

Balthier's had a good deal of training to him already and (and this is the clincher) is a gun specialist. Guns have a lot of stopping power, especially against stronger foes as they can penetrate armor and tough hides (Khimari having more of the latter than the former).

Balthier's quick enough to get a few shots off, which should do plenty to down Khimari. From the way it was portrayed, Ronso have an edge against humans in physical combat, but the gap is far from overwhelming and they don't possess an unnaturally high toughness.

... Yeah what he said! :tongue:

[Hazzard]

Physically as a Ronso Khimari is stronger and more agile, but we must remember that Tidus was able to take him on even footing at the beginning of FFX.

Balthier's had a good deal of training to him already and (and this is the clincher) is a gun specialist. Guns have a lot of stopping power, especially against stronger foes as they can penetrate armor and tough hides (Khimari having more of the latter than the former).

Balthier's quick enough to get a few shots off, which should do plenty to down Khimari. From the way it was portrayed, Ronso have an edge against humans in physical combat, but the gap is far from overwhelming and they don't possess an unnaturally high toughness.

... Yeah what he said! :tongue:

Balthier.

Nicely explained by BtV, as expected. :cool:

[qwertysaur]

Physically as a Ronso Khimari is stronger and more agile, but we must remember that Tidus was able to take him on even footing at the beginning of FFX.

Balthier's had a good deal of training to him already and (and this is the clincher) is a gun specialist. Guns have a lot of stopping power, especially against stronger foes as they can penetrate armor and tough hides (Khimari having more of the latter than the former).

Balthier's quick enough to get a few shots off, which should do plenty to down Khimari. From the way it was portrayed, Ronso have an edge against humans in physical combat, but the gap is far from overwhelming and they don't possess an unnaturally high toughness.


That is a very valid argument, but the in game mechanics of FFXII are that guns are the slowest weapon to use. So it does come down to the gun against the spear/lancet, but this would still be a close battle.

[jammi567]

I would probally have to go for Balthier. No particular reason (except that i'm playing XII at the minute).

[Slothy]

That is a very valid argument, but the in game mechanics of FFXII are that guns are the slowest weapon to use. So it does come down to the gun against the spear/lancet, but this would still be a close battle.

True, but this isn't about in game battle mechanics since they can't be compared. Realistically, if Kimahri is stupid enough to bring a spear to a gun fight he's likely going to die. Let's not forget that Balthier is no slouch in combat. He was a judge afterall.

[Ashley Schovitz]

I say Khimari he can turn Balthier into stone, fry him, spit water at him, jump him, doom which you can't cure, Bad Breath him, and Mighty Guard will definetly be effective, so as Nova. I say Balthier doesn't have a chance. Kimahri all the way.

[Slothy]

I say Khimari he can turn Balthier into stone, fry him, spit water at him, jump him, doom which you can't cure, Bad Breath him, and Mighty Guard will definetly be effective, so as Nova. I say Balthier doesn't have a chance. Kimahri all the way.

I think if we're going to give Kimahri access to every Blue Magic skill he can get then we have to assume Balthier has access to everything on the license board. Suddenly things look a lot worse for Kimahri.

[Firo Volondé]

I think if we're going to give Kimahri access to every Blue Magic skill he can get then we have to assume Balthier has access to everything on the license board. Suddenly things look a lot worse for Kimahri.

No we can't, because Blue Magic is Kimahri's natural ability, like Rydia's summons or Edgar's tools. On the other hand, the licence board contains magicks that Balthier wouldn't know in-game. A fairer argument would be Balthier whole licence grid vs Kimahri whole sphere grid. And Auto-Life > anything you can learn off the licence board.

[Slothy]

No we can't, because Blue Magic is Kimahri's natural ability, like Rydia's summons or Edgar's tools. On the other hand, the licence board contains magicks that Balthier wouldn't know in-game. A fairer argument would be Balthier whole licence grid vs Kimahri whole sphere grid. And Auto-Life > anything you can learn off the licence board.

Technically though, Kimahri only starts with jump, and has to learn the rest of the abilities later. If we assume base character with normal stats and starting abiliies then he won't have his other blue magics. Giving him access to all of them would also present unfair advantage over just about any character if you limit them to only the abilities they would naturally learn. I prefer to look at these as what would happen in the real world if these characters meet and fight with the abilities they can get. I stand by my "bring a spear to a gun fight" argument. And if you want to go nuts with the abilities, then Quickenings are better than anything Kimahri brings to the table.

[Firo Volondé]

Technically though, Kimahri only starts with jump, and has to learn the rest of the abilities later. If we assume base character with normal stats and starting abiliies then he won't have his other blue magics.

Then, we cannot assume Balthier has anything beyond Attack and Steal.


Giving him access to all of them would also present unfair advantage over just about any character if you limit them to only the abilities they would naturally learn.

Correct, that's why I had a problem with Kimahri only having his innate abilities (comparable to having just Quickenings) while Balthier has the whole licence grid.


I prefer to look at these as what would happen in the real world if these characters meet and fight with the abilities they can get.

I prefer not to deal with abilities, just their real-world statistics.


I stand by my "bring a spear to a gun fight" argument.

You can hardly call Balthier's weapon a gun in the modern sense of the word. The kind of gun he uses is very slow and wouldn't be much use against a swift melee fighter. Balthier's training as a judge would rely on him wearing armor, which he doesn't since he became a sky pirate. Besides, Kimahri hasn't exactly been sitting in Besaid twiddling his thumbs, either. ;)


And if you want to go nuts with the abilities, then Quickenings are better than anything Kimahri brings to the table.

That's true, but I'm not suggesting we go nuts. I was merely saying what would be a fair compromise if both of them were given their full abilities.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

On the Quickening vs. Blue Magic, remember Khimari must reach Overdrive before he can use his Blue Magic, whereas Balthier can use his off the bat.

Also, just by personality, one could assume that Balthier would have an alternate melee weapon if he were going into single combat like that. Taking an alternate melee weapon into account, the power gap further widens. As Tidus was able to fight evenly with Khimari as an untrained whelp (albeit reasonably talented), Balthier with his prior elite training should be more than a match.

Balthier's gun is likely the rough equivalent of a flintlock. It may be slow to fire, but it has a decent stopping power to it. A few shots is all he needs. Also, aiming the gun need not be taken into account, if Khimari is closing for combat Balthier's skilled enough to hit him with ease. If Khimari's running around, Balthier can still draw a bead on him and Khimari can't make any attack.

[Treasure Hunter Locke]

I'm glad I've joined up this soon to join in with this tournament. :D There is a tournament on another forum that has nearly ended but was never as big as this (Didn't include FFII and FFXII characters and only the temporary characters of FFIII).

I love the dragoon class of characters but I'll for Balthier. He has a mean hoverbike and could easily take care of Kimahri from a distance. Also as pointed out, Balthier can use a Quickening as soon as the battle starts and can possibly chain a few aswell.

EDIT: I just realized that Kain, one of the best and well known characters throughout Final Fantasy is not in this tournament? :(

[Slothy]

You can hardly call Balthier's weapon a gun in the modern sense of the word. The kind of gun he uses is very slow and wouldn't be much use against a swift melee fighter. Balthier's training as a judge would rely on him wearing armor, which he doesn't since he became a sky pirate. Besides, Kimahri hasn't exactly been sitting in Besaid twiddling his thumbs, either. ;)

Behold the Void essentially summed up the gun aspect. Even if he only gets one shot, against a melee fighter like Kimahri who has to come into close range to be effective, Balthier only needs one. As for the how can we know what is training really involved? We can assume though that it would make him one badass fighting machine, quite capable of taking care of himself in any combat situation. And of course, as Void said, we must always come back to the fact that Tidus with no training beat Kimahri. No matter how naturally gifted he may be, that's still a point that isn't in his favour.

[demondude]

Come on we need results!:p

[Brennan]

Kimhari
Balthier's gun is too slow.

[Laddy]

Kimahri-5 Balthier-9

Balthier imaples Kimahri with an invisible toothpick!

Rosa VS Basch

Rosa, because she can heal and be reistant to Basch and hit away.

[hplvr]

Basch, for no reason at all

[Auragaea]

Well, really it depends on whether we're talking about Basch gameplay wise or storyline wise. If it's gameplay, then Basch would win because he has can have access to all the abilities and equipment in the game, as well as all the Espers (should one choose to do so). Storyline wise, Rosa would win because she can attack from a range and heal herself.

Still, I hate FFXII, so I would have to give my vote to Rosa.

[f f freak]

Storyline wise Basch could attack from a range as well. Just watch the opening sequence. I vote Basch. Just Coz really.

[Snap Jumper]

By the time Rosa gets to cast any kind of protective spell, Basch will have her crying for Cecil to come save her behind again. My vote: Basch.

[Takara]

I'm so tired of people thinking Rosa is a damsel-in-distress just because she got sick once (which could happen to pretty much everyone who crossed that desert), and kidnapped later. There are worse female leads, just look at Rinoa; how many time did you have to save her bony ass again? About ten times? At least, Rosa was useful for the remainder of the story after you rescue her from Zot, and was tolerable, unlike Rinoa who got in trouble every five scenes or so and acted like an horny spoiled brat.

Anyway, rant's over. As much as I love Rosa, Basch would win this one. He's strong, he's grumpy, and he's the sexiest manly bunch of pixels that ever graced my PS2 with its presence.

[Slothy]

Well, Rosa has Holy. Unfortunately for her, that's the only offensive spell she has. While she's trying to cast it she'll likely be stabbed. Her healing spells let her survive a good while but they won't win her the battle. Then again, her weapon of choice is a bow and arrow. Battle mechanics aside, I'll say that Basch never gets close and she picks him of from a distance. I'll give it to Rosa though I think I'll be in the minority on this one.

[Goldenboko]

Range+Healing+Spells>Brute Strength

Rosa.

[Firo Volondé]

Come on, people. While white mages may be kickass, they can't solo for peanuts. Basch, Basch, 100% Basch.

[demondude]

basch ftw

[jammi567]

Rosa.

[qwertysaur]

Rosa would win, because you can't defeat a pearson who can attack from a distance and heal. Sure Basch has a lot more power, but if he can't hit Rosa, the power is useless.

[Goldenboko]

Come on, people. While white mages may be kickass, they can't solo for peanuts. Basch, Basch, 100% Basch.

Hey, she has a bow, she could just pick him off long ranged.

[Vivisteiner]

Basch.

Because I dont know who Rosa is. (If that's valid)

[Laddy]

I suppose, however, I'd prefer if you go and checked up on her character profile in the FFIV section of this frontsite.

[Ashley Schovitz]

Basch has more skill and white mages alone can't win fights, just see how hard it is with an all white mag eparty in X-2, or any other FF that let's you change jobs. Rosa could hit from afar, but her attacks are weak and Basch as a war veteran can handle a few arrows and can probably block most of them. White mages are also very low on defense and their only offensive spell is Holy. Basch All the way!

[Takara]

Considering Basch can also use a bow as seen in the opening sequence of FFXII, the ranged attack point is invalid.

And if Rosa gets access to Holy, Basch should equally get access to the liscence board (as it was said in the Balthier/Kimahri round).

[Slothy]

Considering Basch can also use a bow as seen in the opening sequence of FFXII, the ranged attack point is invalid.

And if Rosa gets access to Holy, Basch should equally get access to the liscence board (as it was said in the Balthier/Kimahri round).

Even without Holy she can pelt him with arrows forever while moving to keep him at a distance. He may use a bow in the opening sequence, but I don't recall him starting with bows when you get him so those are out for him.

[atlanteay]

basch would win. He's a knight and Rosa is a damsel in distress.

[Firo Volondé]

Come on, people. While white mages may be kickass, they can't solo for peanuts. Basch, Basch, 100% Basch.

Hey, she has a bow, she could just pick him off long ranged.

Two can play at that game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3e45zq-OCY) See 5:15-5:22.



Considering Basch can also use a bow as seen in the opening sequence of FFXII, the ranged attack point is invalid.

And if Rosa gets access to Holy, Basch should equally get access to the liscence board (as it was said in the Balthier/Kimahri round).

Even without Holy she can pelt him with arrows forever while moving to keep him at a distance. He may use a bow in the opening sequence, but I don't recall him starting with bows when you get him so those are out for him.

Even if she didn't need to sleep or rest, Basch would doubtlessly be able to outrun her (a man of his physique against a female archer?). In any case, Basch's inability to use a bow is only an in-game mechanic. If Basch can't use bows, then ranged weapons have no advantage apart from allowing the wielder to attack from the back row.

[Slothy]

Considering Basch can also use a bow as seen in the opening sequence of FFXII, the ranged attack point is invalid.

And if Rosa gets access to Holy, Basch should equally get access to the liscence board (as it was said in the Balthier/Kimahri round).

Even without Holy she can pelt him with arrows forever while moving to keep him at a distance. He may use a bow in the opening sequence, but I don't recall him starting with bows when you get him so those are out for him.

Even if she didn't need to sleep or rest, Basch would doubtlessly be able to outrun her (a man of his physique against a female archer?). In any case, Basch's inability to use a bow is only an in-game mechanic. If Basch can't use bows, then ranged weapons have no advantage apart from allowing the wielder to attack from the back row.

You can't compare these people based on battle mechanics, so any talk of attacking from the back row is pointless. And the fact is that Basch, as a knight character wearing Heavier armour, and carrying a heavy shield will not be able to outrun a lightly armoured Archer. Ever. Even if he could still outsprint her, he would tire quickly at that pace. She need do nothing but keep him at a distance and pelt him and she wins.

[demondude]

but if bash has armour on surely the arrow wont pierce him.
Besides cant basch just block until rosa runs out of arrows

[Firo Volondé]

You can't compare these people based on battle mechanics,

Oh? So what were you doing when you said:


He may use a bow in the opening sequence, but I don't recall him starting with bows when you get him so those are out for him.

Battle mechanics and in-game mechanics (which are the basis of the bolded quote) are codepedent. You can't have one without the other.


so any talk of attacking from the back row is pointless.

You missed my point. What I was saying is that if Basch can't use bows, then they are the equivalent of a melee weapon, except for the back-row potential. If you don't want to deal in battle mechanics, you must allow Basch to use bows.


And the fact is that Basch, as a knight character wearing Heavier armour, and carrying a heavy shield will not be able to outrun a lightly armoured Archer. Ever. Even if he could still outsprint her, he would tire quickly at that pace.

That's assuming all people are clones, and that a female mage (archer is her secondary capacity) could compete physically with a male knight. In any case, if she could run away, then Basch can use a bow.


She need do nothing but keep him at a distance and pelt him and she wins.

No. Unlike Balthier, Rosa's weapon, when you consider her strength, has little or no stopping power, and she would waste valuable seconds drawing the arrow, aiming, and firing, and the arrow would most likely be deflected by Basch's shield. This process will continue until she runs out of arrows. Then she will have no way to hurt Basch.

[Slothy]

You can't compare these people based on battle mechanics,

Oh? So what were you doing when you said:


He may use a bow in the opening sequence, but I don't recall him starting with bows when you get him so those are out for him.

Battle mechanics and in-game mechanics (which are the basis of the bolded quote) are codepedent. You can't have one without the other.

I'm comparing based on the skills they start out with in game, and how they would fare in a real world situation. Skills such as the ability to use bows are not dependant on battle mechanics. You can't discuss these fights based on the actual mechanics of how someone fights within their own game since the battle systems in every FF are too different, let alone between IV and XII.



so any talk of attacking from the back row is pointless.

You missed my point. What I was saying is that if Basch can't use bows, then they are the equivalent of a melee weapon, except for the back-row potential. If you don't want to deal in battle mechanics, you must allow Basch to use bows.

Like I said, Basch doesn't start out with the ability to use bows in the game. That has nothing to do with the mechanics of the actual battle system. In my opinion he shouldn't get the use of them in this comparison then.



And the fact is that Basch, as a knight character wearing Heavier armour, and carrying a heavy shield will not be able to outrun a lightly armoured Archer. Ever. Even if he could still outsprint her, he would tire quickly at that pace.

That's assuming all people are clones, and that a female mage (archer is her secondary capacity) could compete physically with a male knight. In any case, if she could run away, then Basch can use a bow.

She doesn't have to compete physicaly with a male knight. Odds are, even a white mage is going to be reasonably fit from all of that travelling the world on foot. As such she should have no trouble keeping her distance from a knight with full armour, shield, and sword. Regardless of Basch's physical condition, a heavily armoured knight can only move so fast, and certainly can't keep a full run going for long. A lightly armoured mage should be able to move faster and keep her distance without tiring as soon.



She need do nothing but keep him at a distance and pelt him and she wins.

No. Unlike Balthier, Rosa's weapon, when you consider her strength, has little or no stopping power, and she would waste valuable seconds drawing the arrow, aiming, and firing, and the arrow would most likely be deflected by Basch's shield. This process will continue until she runs out of arrows. Then she will have no way to hurt Basch.

Actually drawing the bow takes little time at all for someone experienced with one. And given that she'd have the skill to hit a moving target, aiming and firing certainly wouldn't take very long either. Also, none of the shields in FFXII are large enough to cover the entire body. Basch is unlikely to be able to block all of her arrows, particularly if she aims for vital areas, such as the feet, knees and other joints, as any skilled archer would. And though Rosa would lack the physical strength to draw something like an English Longbow, a smaller bow more suited to her could still have tremendous stopping power. It may not pass through plate armour, but if the armour is to offer any mobility, then it won't be full body plate armour as that's just about the least practical thing you could wear. Therefore, she should still have plenty of stopping power, not to mention years of experience with a bow.

[Masamunemaster]

believe it or not I'm going with the underdog, Basch

[Firo Volondé]

I'm comparing based on the skills they start out with in game, and how they would fare in a real world situation.

That's an oxymoron. Basch doesn't start with bows in the game, but in a real world situation, he would certainly take a bow, especially if he was against another archer.


Skills such as the ability to use bows are not dependant on battle mechanics.

Yes, so Basch should be able to use a bow even if he can't in a battle.


You can't discuss these fights based on the actual mechanics of how someone fights within their own game since the battle systems in every FF are too different, let alone between IV and XII.

That's all true, but you're the one who based Basch's ability based on how he fights in his own game when you said "He doesn't use with bows when you get him so those are out for him."


Like I said, Basch doesn't start out with the ability to use bows in the game. That has nothing to do with the mechanics of the actual battle system.

Yes, it does. There are only two kinds of mechanics you can use: real world mechanics or in-game mechanics. The former means he can use a bow, the latter means he can't. Since battle mechanics and real-world mechanics can't co-exist (since when do you stand around waiting your turn in a real-world fight?) if the battle mechanics are applied, you must apply in-game mechanics as well, and therefore Basch can't use bows.


She doesn't have to compete physicaly with a male knight. Odds are, even a white mage is going to be reasonably fit from all of that travelling the world on foot. As such she should have no trouble keeping her distance from a knight with full armour, shield, and sword. Regardless of Basch's physical condition, a heavily armoured knight can only move so fast, and certainly can't keep a full run going for long. A lightly armoured mage should be able to move faster and keep her distance without tiring as soon.

There's a flaw in that argument. If one real world mechanic is true, then they all are. Similarly, If one real world mechanic is false, then they all are. The ability to keep your distance and Basch's ability to use bows are both real-world mechanics. Simply put, if Rosa can keep her distance, then Basch will shoot her. If he can't use bows, then she cannot move out of the range of his sword.


Actually drawing the bow takes little time at all for someone experienced with one. And given that she'd have the skill to hit a moving target, aiming and firing certainly wouldn't take very long either.

Except Rosa is, first and foremost, a white mage. Her job was to fight alongside Cecil, just like her mother fought alongside her father. We can then assume her bow skills were only rudimentary, as a Dark Knight would be in more need of a healer than an archer. She would work more on her magic than her archery. The main purpose of her bow would be to pick off any enemies out of Cecil's range.


Also, none of the shields in FFXII are large enough to cover the entire body. Basch is unlikely to be able to block all of her arrows, particularly if she aims for vital areas, such as the feet, knees and other joints, as any skilled archer would.

There's a difference between aiming for a point and actually hitting it. Again, Rosa is no Legolas. Basch, however, could easily compete with Aragorn.


And though Rosa would lack the physical strength to draw something like an English Longbow, a smaller bow more suited to her could still have tremendous stopping power.

Not against anybody wearing strong armour.


It may not pass through plate armour, but if the armour is to offer any mobility, then it won't be full body plate armour as that's just about the least practical thing you could wear.

Only in real world mechanics. He would be wearing it, and if it restricted his movements, he could still pick her off with his bow.


Therefore, she should still have plenty of stopping power, not to mention years of experience with a bow.

That wouldn't be enough for her to beat Basch in a one-on-one.

[Bolivar]

Wow this is gettin crazy.

I think in this fight, Protect and Holy says it all. But a Knight's a Knight and there's no way a white mage could stop one, if we're talking at similar potentials.

Basch Lives!

[Takara]

Yeah, but if people go with only the basic skills the character has when s/he first joins your party, Rosa only has basic white magic. Assuming neither opponent has potions or ethers or elixirs, Rosa would need to rely on Cure to restore some HP, and she'd eventually run out of MP. And she'd then have to rely on !Pray, which doesn't work half the time and restores very little HP anyway.

Swords do more damage than arrows, so Basch would easily be able to inflict a lot of damage to her, while she'd spend her time casting cure on herself and shooting arrows at him who may or may not even hit him because she has crap basic physical skills at first. And if she does manage to hit him, it will only inflict minimal damage. And that's if she doesn't run out of arrows.

Even with basic stats, Basch would still have the upper hand on Rosa.

[Laddy]

We limit any character from II, III, V, VI, and XII with abilities I give.

(FFVII characters go by preselected classes.)

Rosa-7 Basch-11
So Basch wins by a bunch if FFXII fanboys throwing rocks at her.

Umaro VS Cloud (Stronger Green Mage)
Ooh, close, I'll go with Umaro.

[Brennan]

Umaro, just to see Cloud actually lose for one seemes so awkward, but the battle should be like this:
Umaro casts stop, and pwnage, 'nuff said.

[Takara]

So Basch wins by a bunch if FFXII fanboys throwing rocks at her.

Hey, I have a vagina. Don't insult my feminity by calling me a fanboy.

Oh, and I'd argue giving Umaro time magic would be stupid since he can't cast magic, but anyway. All Umaro'd need would be to cast slow on Cloud, then haste on himself, then cast stop on Emo-boy, and pwnage would ensue. So my vote goes to the yeti anyway.

Whatever green magic refers to in this case, it would be good for nothing if you can't move.

[Goldenboko]

So Basch wins by a bunch if FFXII fanboys throwing rocks at her.

Hey, I have a vagina. Don't insult my feminity by calling me a fanboy.

In the words of Yuffie...


SEXIST!

PS- Umaro rulez! (My vote is to Umaro)

[Takara]

I'm not sexist, I'm just tired of people always calling me sir. Just because I have short hair and large shoulders doesn't make me a man. Those aren't man-boobs, you know... :(

The high-pitched voice should also clue them in about my gender. I suppose everyone must be thinking I'm an eunuch, or a pre-op transexual or something. ¬_¬

[Goldenboko]

I'm not sexist, I'm just tired of people always calling me sir. Just because I have short hair and large shoulders doesn't make me a man. Those aren't man-boobs, you know... :(

The high-pitched voice should also clue them in about my gender. I suppose everyone must be thinking I'm an eunuch, or a pre-op transexual or something. ¬_¬

I was talking about RedXIII13, and I was joking. Appearantly the last time I should do that :p


PS- The detail wasn't really needed >.<

[Laddy]

*Sigh* I was NOT referring into anyone in general! Just a few random nobody that actually exists fanboys who find FFXII to be so "mature" and "adult-like." Sheesh. :rolleyes:

[Masamunemaster]

So Basch wins by a bunch if FFXII fanboys throwing rocks at her.

Hey, I have a vagina. Don't insult my feminity by calling me a fanboy.

Oh, and I'd argue giving Umaro time magic would be stupid since he can't cast magic, but anyway. All Umaro'd need would be to cast slow on Cloud, then haste on himself, then cast stop on Emo-boy, and pwnage would ensue. So my vote goes to the yeti anyway.

Whatever green magic refers to in this case, it would be good for nothing if you can't move.

Green magic includes haste which last I checked cancels out slow, so cloud

[Takara]

PS- The detail wasn't really needed >.<

What detail? I didn't describe every part of my anatomy. xD

I'm surprised people still take everything seriously in General Final Fantasy. Especially when about 80% of the posts are made for fun. EoEO this ain't.

Seriously, though, I'm rarely offended by what I read on message boards. :p

Though I have to ask, when did Haste become a Green Magic spell? And didn't Green Magic actually appear in FFXII, where Haste was still considered Time Magic?

[Firo Volondé]

We limit any character from II, III, V, VI, and XII with abilities I give.

(FFVII characters go by preselected classes.)

Rosa-7 Basch-11
So Basch wins by a bunch if FFXII fanboys throwing rocks at her.

Umaro (Basic TIme Magic) VS Cloud (Stronger Green Mage)
Ooh, close, I'll go with Umaro.

Goshdarnit, I'm not a FFXII fanboy, I'm a FFX fanboy!

By the way, there is no green magic in FFVII. And Umaro has Rage abilities, not Time Magic. If Umaro has access to Stop, then we can assume Cloud has KotR and Time+Added Effect and would smash Umaro back to the ice age.

I actually think Cloud would win this one. Using real-world mechanics, he would still have his magic (due to the Jenova cells) and Umaro is slower than Cloud and has no magic abilities. Not to mention that Cloud has the advantage of a deadlier, more accurate weapon.

[Snap Jumper]

Using real-world mechanics, he would still have his magic

Magic doesn't exist in the real world, so this point doesn't work. Anyway, I think Umaro is stronger, but Cloud does have sword skills, hmmm....Vote: Umaro.

[Firo Volondé]

Using real-world mechanics, he would still have his magic

Magic doesn't exist in the real world, so this point doesn't work.

Um, no. Real-world mechanics do not mean the our real world, but the characters' real world. For example, even though Fran can learn any magic spell through licences, if you were applying real-world mechanics, she could not cast all of them, because she has not mastered them in the storyline. However, she still has her innate unnatural powers, like being able to sense the Mist.

[Bolivar]

lol @ Umaro

Omnislash = the yetti being about 12-15 turns behind

My vote's for Strife

[demondude]

umaro!

[Cledarius]

I vote for the cloudy one.

Just look at omnislash. Also he's a mako-freak that is able to defeat sephiroth in his youth.

[f f freak]

This one's a tough cookie. Cloud has magic and a huge sword. Umaro is a yeti that can cast stop. Umaro wins.

[jammi567]

I have no idea who the hell the other guy is, i'm going to have to go for Cloud (as much as i dislike him).

[qwertysaur]

I think Umaro would actually win, all he needs to do is eat a green cherry.

[Brennan]

I think Umaro would actually win, all he needs to do is eat a green cherry.

QFT

[Takara]

Besides, wouldn't it be hilarious to watch Mr. "I-Have-A-Big-Freaking-Sword-To-Compensate-For-Something-Else" get the :skull::skull::skull::skull: beat out of him by a big, furry animal? :D

[Brennan]

Besides, wouldn't it be hilarious to watch Mr. "I-Have-A-Big-Freaking-Sword-To-Compensate-For-Something-Else" get the :skull::skull::skull::skull: beat out of him by a big, furry animal? :D

Ditto

[PuPu]

Do any of you even realize that Umaro can't use magic? In FF6 he was one of the only characters that couldn't equip Espers, which gave them the power of magic.

So all that leaves him is his strength. But Cloud's sword skills could just slash him apart. Cloud wins.

[Firo Volondé]

Do any of you even realize that Umaro can't use magic? In FF6 he was one of the only characters that couldn't equip Espers, which gave them the power of magic.

That is true according to the game, but RedXIII13 said that Umaro can use time magic, so the game must be wrong. ;)

[PuPu]

Do any of you even realize that Umaro can't use magic? In FF6 he was one of the only characters that couldn't equip Espers, which gave them the power of magic.

That is true according to the game, but RedXIII13 said that Umaro can use time magic, so the game must be wrong. ;)
Wait, since when does RedXIII get to change characters from the way FF had made them into the way that he wants?

[Laddy]

I actually screwed the facts up. :( Oh well, Umaro has no magic.

[Goldenboko]

UMARO STILL WINS BIZATCH!

[atlanteay]

you guys just don't want cloud to win ;p

i say Cloud. Umaro is a big ape thing... he's too slow against cloud. Cloud would slice him up in minutes. BBQ ape anyone?

[The black mage]

ummro attacks with phisical attacks.
Cloud can use Barrier. and summon Knights of the round
Ghess who i thinks going to win.
Cloud

[Slothy]

Umaro uses Ice Storm to freeze Cloud to the bone. He then picks him up and throws him at a wall causing him to break.

Umaro wins; Cloud never has time to summon anything or prepare limit breaks.

[Brennan]

UMARO STILL WINS BIZATCH!

[Hazzard]

CLOUD WOULD OWN EVERY FF CHARACTER OUT THERE. FF7 IS THE BEST AND HAS EVERYTHING GOING FOR IT. ALL OTHER FF GAMES AREN'T EVEN ON THE SAME LEVEL.

FF7 FOR EVA!!!

[demondude]

CLOUD WOULD OWN EVERY FF CHARACTER OUT THERE. FF7 IS THE BEST AND HAS EVERYTHING GOING FOR IT. ALL OTHER FF GAMES AREN'T EVEN ON THE SAME LEVEL.

FF7 FOR EVA!!!

I thought you liked final fantasy 2 :confused:

[Takara]

Cloud still has a big freaking sword to compensate for something else, and it would still be hilarious to watch him getting the :skull::skull::skull::skull: beat out of him by a big furry animal.

[Firo Volondé]

^ Hilarious it may be, but it's not going to happen.

If I counted the votes correctly, it's 10 to Umaro, and 9 to Cloud. Cloud should be given the victory, since more than one person voted for Umaro solely on the fact he has time magic, which Red has revoked. Now, I'm not a FFVII fanboy, but even Cloud is better than a character thrown in at the last minute, with very little backstory or significance to the plot, just because he's "cool".

[Takara]

I don't care if Cloud is better, I'm bored and I'm arguing for the sake or arguing. That and mostly voting for the underdogs because they need love too. (And some of them are actually better than their opponent.)

And removing time magic, Umaro could still freeze Cloud with Stom, and pound at him with brute strength while Cloud is paralysed by ice.

And no one has answered me yet about what green magic is.

[demondude]

I don't care if Cloud is better, I'm bored and I'm arguing for the sake or arguing. That and mostly voting for the underdogs because they need love too. (And some of them are actually better than their opponent.)

And removing time magic, Umaro could still freeze Cloud with Stom, and pound at him with brute strength while Cloud is paralysed by ice.

And no one has answered me yet about what green magic is.

green magics support magic

[Laddy]

Takara, Cloud is one of the all-time most popular characters in gaming history...

[f f freak]

Umaro is better. Umaro Rules. Umaro. Cloud has a chocobo on his head. He abused the chocobo. He should be put to death.

[jammi567]

Takara, Cloud is one of the all-time most popular characters in gaming history...
he's well known, but that doesn't automatically make him popular.

[Bolivar]

I'm bored and I'm arguing for the sake or arguing.

Ladies and Gentleman, we finally have the slogan for the elitists!

[Hazzard]

CLOUD WOULD OWN EVERY FF CHARACTER OUT THERE. FF7 IS THE BEST AND HAS EVERYTHING GOING FOR IT. ALL OTHER FF GAMES AREN'T EVEN ON THE SAME LEVEL.

FF7 FOR EVA!!!

I thought you liked final fantasy 2 :confused:

lol, it was a joke. Cloud's good, but he ain't the best, same goes for final fantasy VII. Also, I still vote for Cloud against Umaro.

[Firo Volondé]

Takara, Cloud is one of the all-time most popular characters in gaming history...
he's well known, but that doesn't automatically make him popular.

Tell that to his armies of fanpeople who have only played VII. :rolleyes2

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Loathe as I am to say so, Cloud wins this match. While he never did make SOLDIER, Cloud does have military training, and his higher-end attacks and ability to make use of Materia give him the definitive edge on Umaro. Umaro is brutish and not terribly bright, so while he has immense strength Cloud's ability to think tactically and make use of long-range magic and summons gives him the win.

Cloud still sucks though.

[Takara]

I'm bored and I'm arguing for the sake or arguing.

Ladies and Gentleman, we finally have the slogan for the elitists!

I'll make t-shirts. Anyone want one? You also get free cookies if you join the elitist club. Evil cookies. With a lot of chocolate chips.


Takara, Cloud is one of the all-time most popular characters in gaming history...

Most popular =/= best character ever, combat-wise or personality-wise.

[demondude]

Come on we need results :greenie:

[Laddy]

Umaro-8 Cloud-5 By a living miracle, Cloud dosen't win! :O

Firion (Basic Black Magic) VS Rikku (FFX)
Rikku's faster and can use special items, Rikku.

[Brennan]

Firion
Because Rikku can't do alot of damage at 1 time

[Goldenboko]

Rikku, she's got Trio of 9999.

[demondude]

rikku has thong power

That and she is really fast

[Bolivar]

firion because he has a bandana.

[Snap Jumper]

Rikku, who's faster.

[qwertysaur]

Rikku, all she need is a potent mix, and Boom, no more Firion.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

As you've limited Firion and not Rikku, Rikku.

[qwertysaur]

I think redXIII13 is limiting FFX characters to their portions of the sphere grid.

[Takara]

Rikku. Speed + Mix = WIN!

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Ahh, OK.

Rikku's portion of the grid isn't high on attack and damage, which limits her, but she does have Mix, which is beastly. So I'll still give it to her, although she may take a beating beforehand.

[Firo Volondé]

Whoever votes for Firion is obviously a castrati. :jokey:

Rikku. She's faster, and has Mix.

[jammi567]

Oh, please, it so obviously has to be Rikku. I mean, that outfit would stop anyone in their tracks - oh, wait, that's X-2, my mistake...

[Slothy]

As much as it pains me, Rikku.

[Hazzard]

I hate the slutty character, but unfortunately, Rikku.

[Laddy]

Firion-2 RIkku-11

Rikku throws a marshmellow at Firion and kills him three times over.

Vivi VS White Mage
Seeing as Vivi is a more offensive spellcaster, Vivi.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

This is FFI White Mage? Vivi. Death spells don't work on anything BUT playable characters.

[Laddy]

Yes.

[Bolivar]

I think we all know how the White Mage in FFI performs.

goin w/ vivi.

[Snap Jumper]

Harm spells and staves won't kill Vivi, despite his low HP. Vote: Vivi.

[Masamunemaster]

Vivi= best black mage ever so complete pwnage:D :D :D

[Firo Volondé]

Harm spells and staves won't kill Vivi, despite his low HP. Vote: Vivi.

What about Holy?

Nevertheless, I still vote for Vivi.

[demondude]

Vivi

[f f freak]

Vivi.

[Snap Jumper]

What about Holy?

Whoops. Forgot about that. I still pick Vivi, though.

[Takara]

Doomsday > Holy. So Vivi wins this one.

[jammi567]

Sorry White Mage, but it's gonna have to be Vivi. :(

[Comet]

White Mage, allow the midget.

[Hazzard]

Vivi, come on...that's a no-brainer

[Ashley Schovitz]

Vivi wins

[Brennan]

I'm pretty sure it's...
Vivi

[qwertysaur]

vivi. For the reason that the white mage can't compete with a black mage alone.

[Slothy]

Vivi= best black mage ever so complete pwnage:D :D :D

Agreed.

[Laddy]

Vivi-15 WM-1

Vivi crucifies White Mage!

Bartz (Berserker) VS Ingus (Red Mage)
Bartz will tear Ingus to shreds with speed and strength.

[Slothy]

It's a tough call for me. Bartz will certainly have the physical edge, but Red Mages are no slouches in physical combat either. Add to that the fact that they can heal and they may go the distance for this one as I doubt Bartz can kill them in more than a few attacks. I'll give it to Ingus though I think it'd be a close one.

[Northcrest]

I choose the Ingus Red Mage it shouldn't take that long to kill a Bartz Berzerker.

[atlanteay]

Ingus. he can use magic as well as swords so it's a greater advantage for him.

[Takara]

Ingus. He can heal himself, plus cast spells like Sleep on Bartz, and them blast him with more black magic. Plus, he's blonde. I have a soft spot for blonde guys.

[qwertysaur]

Well, even though Bartz is a berserker, he has the power of Boko on his side, so I'll give this one to Bartz. But it will be all due to the power of Boko.

[Bolivar]

bartz would tear him apart, red mages have much weaker defense and strength, and their magic isn't supposed to be overly good either. i reckon sleep and blind would miss.

[jammi567]

Bartz, because i have no idea who the hell the other guy is

[Hazzard]

Ingus wins because he's the best.

[Cezanzo]

Bartz!

uhh...who's Ingus?

[f f freak]

Ingus.

[Takara]

For those who don't know who Ingus is, look at FFIII. He's the DS incarnation of the red Onion Kid from the Famicon version (Luneth being the purple Onion Kid, Refia the blue one, and Arc is the green).

Those who never played that awesome game should feel ashamed.

[jammi567]

Ahhh, but you need a Nitendo DS to play the game, and seeing as i don't have one, i can't be ashamed.

[Hazzard]

Ahhh, but you need a Nitendo DS to play the game, and seeing as i don't have one, i can't be ashamed.

No, there are two different versions - famicon and Nintendo DS.

[jammi567]

The point is, i don't have either version, so i can't play the game.

[Laddy]

Then go view the FFIII section of the front site or something.

Announcement-Go to Final Fantasy Information from the front site if you are voting for characters from games you have not played.

[Firo Volondé]

I vote for Butz.


For those who don't know who Ingus is, look at FFIII. He's the DS incarnation of the red Onion Kid from the Famicon version (Luneth being the purple Onion Kid, Refia the blue one, and Arc is the green).

They're like the Wiggles! (replace green with yellow)


Those who never played that awesome game should feel ashamed.

:(

[Bolivar]

is this tournament continuing?

[Laddy]

Yes, but people aren't doing a single thing.

[Takara]

Some of us voted already. We can't vote until the next round. :p

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Berserkers can only attack. Red Mages have a wide array of tactical abilities, one of the major of which is healing, support, and offensive magic, as well as decent armor and weaponry. Ignus wins by attrition.

[Laddy]

Ingus-6 Butz-4

So Ingus skins Butz. Next,

Tifa (Monk Materia) VS Selphie (Black Magic)
I'll have to go with Tifa for this one.