List of Shumi´s evolution

[Future Esthar]

Take atention at this list.
This is important to understand the conspiracy that is going on and how my theories can make sense.

I will tell how some of the important Shumis are going to evolve.
Their evolutions appear by chronological order when there is a >.

Elder:

Headmaster Cid>Mayor Dobe>President Deling.

Artisan:

Old man who sells owls tears>Guy at flower field in Winhill,Garden door man>Master Fisherman>General Caraway.

Specialist:

Chocoboy?

Sculptor:

Old man reconstructing Dollet

[Goldenboko]

These aren't even theories anymore. Their just random fanfiction, you're ideas have become so farfetched and have such a lack of proof this belongs in the writers corner.

[Future Esthar]

Ît´s not fanfiction because it represent what I think happens on the game.
I understand it is hard to see.

[James Leopold]

what about moombas?

[Goldenboko]

Ît´s not fanfiction because it represent what I think happens on the game.
I understand it is hard to see.

Its not that its hard to see its that it doesn't happen. You're making things up, I could make things up to, I could say Squall wields the gunblade so easily because of a patch on his arm under his shirt you can't see. You can't prove me wrong, and you can't prove me right, but that doesn't make it true.

[Skyblade]

Take atention at this list.
This is important to understand the conspiracy that is going on and how my theories can make sense.

I will tell how some of the important Shumis are going to evolve.
Their evolutions appear by chronological order when there is a >.

Elder:

Headmaster Cid>Mayor Dobe>President Deling.

Artisan:

Old man who sells owls tears>Guy at flower field in Winhill,Garden door man>Master Fisherman>General Caraway.

Specialist:

Chocoboy?

Sculptor:

Old man reconstructing Dollet

Once again, you go against canon evidence. Elders don't evolve. Ever. We are told this in game. So stop making such ridiculous claims.

[Grazia]

Once again, you go against canon evidence. Elders don't evolve. Ever. We are told this in game. So stop making such ridiculous claims.

The quote above says it all, now please just STOP with your stupid nonsensical theories that hold no substance. Thank you.

[f f freak]

This is important to understand the conspiracy that is going on and how my theories can make sense.
Future Esthars theories making sense...?





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[Hazzard]

What the hell is this nonsense; Headmaster Cid evolves into Mayor Dobe???

You must be on crack or something...seriously.

[Comet]

On a real level this is just pure bull****

I would bet my testicles that this 'theory' didn't even pass across the FF8 developers minds.

[Skyblade]

Also, if you bothered to play through the Shumi sidequest fully, you would see that at the end that Artisan is going to attempt to evolve into a human, and that he will be the first Shumi ever to attempt to do so.

So, even more canon evidence against your theory.

[Tallulah]

Once again, you go against canon evidence. Elders don't evolve. Ever. We are told this in game. So stop making such ridiculous claims.

The quote above says it all, now please just STOP with your stupid nonsensical theories that hold no substance. Thank you.

The voice of reason. :)

FE, what on earth were you smoking when you thought of that? I don't even understand what you are getting at. Dobe, Cid and Deling co-exist so they can't have evolved into each other.

And how could you forget those sweet li'l Moombas? :moomba: (Finally, a chance to use the Moomba icon! :D)

[ReloadPsi]

Oh come on, if Zell is actually Mike Tyson in disguise, anything could happen.

[Hazzard]

I've read briefly some of your other mind-blowing "theories" and they seem falsely stated as well, configured out of your imagination I'm guessing...?

Get some facts, then you can start "theories".

[Goldenboko]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks this guy is a nutter :p

[Hazzard]

We're all with you on that one, GB...

[Goldenboko]

We're all with you on that one, GB...

Does that mean I have friends now? :jess:

[Hazzard]

We're all with you on that one, GB...

Does that mean I have friends now? :jess:

No. :)

[atlanteay]

^hahahaha

you're losing it FE :(

[Goldenboko]

^hahahaha

you're losing it FE :(

Did he ever have it?




We're all with you on that one, GB...

Does that mean I have friends now? :jess:

No. :)

:whimper:

[MJN SEIFER]

Ît´s not fanfiction because it represent what I think happens on the game.
I understand it is hard to see.

Its not that its hard to see its that it doesn't happen. You're making things up, I could make things up to, I could say Squall wields the gunblade so easily because of a patch on his arm under his shirt you can't see. You can't prove me wrong, and you can't prove me right, but that doesn't make it true.

Umm you do realize I have seen evidence what he says might be true, don't you.


I think it's very crucial evidence that Cid is part of the shumi evolution. he knows far too much not to be - it's so obvious,


Also the Shumi's do evolve THEY TELL YOU THAT them selves. So yeah, these theory's make perfect sense if you play the game.

[Goldenboko]

Ît´s not fanfiction because it represent what I think happens on the game.
I understand it is hard to see.

Its not that its hard to see its that it doesn't happen. You're making things up, I could make things up to, I could say Squall wields the gunblade so easily because of a patch on his arm under his shirt you can't see. You can't prove me wrong, and you can't prove me right, but that doesn't make it true.

Umm you do realize I have seen evidence what he says might be true, don't you.


I think it's very crucial evidence that Cid is part of the shumi evolution. he knows far too much not to be - it's so obvious,


Also the Shumi's do evolve THEY TELL YOU THAT them selves. So yeah, these theory's make perfect sense if you play the game.

Okay then where is this evidence? Huh, can you tell me what it is. Also it was said... ELDERS don't evolve, not that Shumi's don't. Perhaps you should support yourself before trying to support FE.

[Xurts]

You guys take FE's theories seriously and, therefore, fail.

[Hazzard]

I'm aware that Shumis can evolve into Moombas, but nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, says that Headmaster Cid transformed into bloody Mayor Dobe then President Deling. Now that's just pathetic with no sense or reason at all, I never knew anyone would be as thick to think such a thing.

[Skyblade]

Ît´s not fanfiction because it represent what I think happens on the game.
I understand it is hard to see.

Its not that its hard to see its that it doesn't happen. You're making things up, I could make things up to, I could say Squall wields the gunblade so easily because of a patch on his arm under his shirt you can't see. You can't prove me wrong, and you can't prove me right, but that doesn't make it true.

Umm you do realize I have seen evidence what he says might be true, don't you.


I think it's very crucial evidence that Cid is part of the shumi evolution. he knows far too much not to be - it's so obvious,


Also the Shumi's do evolve THEY TELL YOU THAT them selves. So yeah, these theory's make perfect sense if you play the game.

Elders never evolve, and at the end of the Shumi Village side quest, you learn that Artisan is going to try to be the first Shumi to ever evolve into a human. So, yeah, this stuff is nonsense.

[MJN SEIFER]

Ît´s not fanfiction because it represent what I think happens on the game.
I understand it is hard to see.

Its not that its hard to see its that it doesn't happen. You're making things up, I could make things up to, I could say Squall wields the gunblade so easily because of a patch on his arm under his shirt you can't see. You can't prove me wrong, and you can't prove me right, but that doesn't make it true.

Umm you do realize I have seen evidence what he says might be true, don't you.


I think it's very crucial evidence that Cid is part of the shumi evolution. he knows far too much not to be - it's so obvious,


Also the Shumi's do evolve THEY TELL YOU THAT them selves. So yeah, these theory's make perfect sense if you play the game.

Elders never evolve, and at the end of the Shumi Village side quest, you learn that Artisan is going to try to be the first Shumi to ever evolve into a human. So, yeah, this stuff is nonsense.

I haevent seen that line, could you point me EXACTLY. when in that quest it appears?

And besides, even if the Artisan says that does that really prove against these theory's? I think not.

[Hazzard]

Ît´s not fanfiction because it represent what I think happens on the game.
I understand it is hard to see.

Its not that its hard to see its that it doesn't happen. You're making things up, I could make things up to, I could say Squall wields the gunblade so easily because of a patch on his arm under his shirt you can't see. You can't prove me wrong, and you can't prove me right, but that doesn't make it true.

Umm you do realize I have seen evidence what he says might be true, don't you.


I think it's very crucial evidence that Cid is part of the shumi evolution. he knows far too much not to be - it's so obvious,


Also the Shumi's do evolve THEY TELL YOU THAT them selves. So yeah, these theory's make perfect sense if you play the game.

Elders never evolve, and at the end of the Shumi Village side quest, you learn that Artisan is going to try to be the first Shumi to ever evolve into a human. So, yeah, this stuff is nonsense.

I haevent seen that line, could you point me EXACTLY. when in that quest it appears?

And besides, even if the Artisan says that does that really prove against these theory's? I think not.

Yeah but where's the facts? :mad:

[Goldenboko]

Ît´s not fanfiction because it represent what I think happens on the game.
I understand it is hard to see.

Its not that its hard to see its that it doesn't happen. You're making things up, I could make things up to, I could say Squall wields the gunblade so easily because of a patch on his arm under his shirt you can't see. You can't prove me wrong, and you can't prove me right, but that doesn't make it true.

Umm you do realize I have seen evidence what he says might be true, don't you.


I think it's very crucial evidence that Cid is part of the shumi evolution. he knows far too much not to be - it's so obvious,


Also the Shumi's do evolve THEY TELL YOU THAT them selves. So yeah, these theory's make perfect sense if you play the game.

Elders never evolve, and at the end of the Shumi Village side quest, you learn that Artisan is going to try to be the first Shumi to ever evolve into a human. So, yeah, this stuff is nonsense.

I haevent seen that line, could you point me EXACTLY. when in that quest it appears?

And besides, even if the Artisan says that does that really prove against these theory's? I think not.

I'm not gonna start a whole new game to find the exact line. :P

And yeah it does blow all of these theories up. It says that Shumi's have yet to evolve into humans so his evolution claims couldn't have happened and still coexist with the storyline. If you are going to say FE doesn't need the storyline's backing you're even more ignorant then I first assumed.

[Hazzard]

Shumi's are a completely different and separate race from humans, so it isn't possible that humans can evolve into them. The theory is baseless and false.

[MJN SEIFER]

Okay then where is this evidence? Huh, can you tell me what it is. Also it was said... ELDERS don't evolve, not that Shumi's don't. Perhaps you should support yourself before trying to support FE.[/QUOTE]

Cid knows about places that shumi's have done, ONLY shumi's are suposed to know these thing, but he does.

Secconded why would that shumi who's name escapes me suddenly trust a human when everywhere else he seams to hate humans? Answer: Cid is not a true human.

[Hazzard]

Okay then where is this evidence? Huh, can you tell me what it is. Also it was said... ELDERS don't evolve, not that Shumi's don't. Perhaps you should support yourself before trying to support FE.

Cid knows about places that shumi's have done, ONLY shumi's are suposed to know these thing, but he does.

Secconded why would that shumi who's name escapes me suddenly trust a human when everywhere else he seams to hate humans? Answer: Cid is not a true human.[/quote]

You are joking, right? Cause this is hilarious, you're judging from Cid's knowledge and a Shumi's trust, but the evidence is very vague and hardly suitable for a conclusion stating that Cid is Shumi.

This is the sort of evidence I would expect from a five year old who just got high on sweets, meaning that someone is chatting a load of pointless, irrelevant things which lead to...NOTHING.

If you mean the Shumi, NORG, then you definitely ain't taking in anything from this game, cause NORG only done business with Cid because of the amount of profit he would make from making a Garden; knowing that Cid would do well to run the Garden as Headmaster, but NORG still keeping control as the official and enigmatic "Garden Master" he doubts his trust in Cid later on when you meet him for the first time in the basement of Garden, never implying that Cid was of his kind.

I really can't take this anymore, man, you and FE are too ignorant to even get proper facts, but supply a load of crap with no proof. Just stop this BS, cause it's stupid and making you guys look like morons.

[Goldenboko]

I think Hazzard sumed up my response. You're stretching the truth of this game too far, and thats why you're evidence just snapped, there's nothing behind this theory.

[MJN SEIFER]

Hazzard has made pretty good points and I acknoledge(sp?) them.

My main argument isn't wether FE is right or not, just that his theory's don't come from nowhere.

I like reading his theory's and I do genuiningly believe them. This one I admitidly am in two minds about, but it doesn't stop me enjoying them.

But people like Square are quite subtle and they put things in for the sharp eyed gamers. Some may not be intentional, but some are.

It is like the Orphange thing (I know I've done that argument) and NORG (Thanks for reminding me of his name).

Both of these are interpeted differently from different gamers, some think both just appeard when the story needed them, but the sharp eyed gamers saw that there was evidence of their existence before hand.

Also compare this with FFVII, some gamers beleive the obvious and that Sephiroth was "running the show", but other look at deeper "clues" and decide Jenova was behind it all. Who knows which side is right, there is evidence to suport both sides.


Basically people see "clues" and interpret them how they do, because of how their minds see them, of course a clue may not always be a clue, it may be nothing, but in a game made by Square, very few things must go over looked.

Just let's let everyone who wants to post serious theorys (i.e. not ones they made up for a joke, unless that's the purpose of the thread) and if you disagree fine, there will be at least one who agrees.

The only will permenantly solve this is if a Square employee (who would need proof s/he was a Square emloyee) entered this thread right now and told us, once and for all, who is right, and who is wrong.

[Goldenboko]

I have to disagree with you MJN. Square produces games with complex stories, that often have side stories which have nothing to do with each other. Where it does take a level of competence to understand the storyline, it does not take philosophy. Which Final Fantasy fans have begun to turn to. Jenova doesn't control Sephiroth, people looked too deeply into FFVII's storyline and came to a false conclusion, eventually, square got fed up with everyone misinterpreting so many sections that they came up with the Ultimania guides. Which explain the stories of final fantasy. One of the things that Ultimania explain was Sephiroth had complete control over Jenova. FE is looking into FFVIII as if it had a submeaning of life itself, which it doesn't. Final Fantasy fans need to stop analyzing the plots of FFs this much, because, they are only games.

[Hazzard]

At the end of the day there wouldn't be any need for a Square employee to tell us the truth, for we can judge that for ourselves, and I certainly can't be drawn into belief by a couple lines of nonfactual info about someones baseless ideas. Square may occasionally leave a gamer to think deeper into certain parts of the game, but in no way do I think it was their intention to give off the idea of Cid evolving into anything, because he coexisted with the very people FE had mentioned; Mayor Dobe and Vinzer Deling, and if you first meet Mayor Dobe in the second disc, and Deling dies in the end of the first, then tell me how he performed this "evolution?" and please don't try say Deling never died, because that would be simply idiotic.

And once again, MJN SEIFER, you have failed to backup FE's theories, and you can't just say their real because you enjoy them, that's tactless and childish. If you really want to support him, then bring me some hard, solid, believable facts!

EDIT - Goldenboko hit the point I was going at as well...people are looking too deeply into a relatively normal storyline, and assuming far too much complex ideas.

[MJN SEIFER]

At that point I wasn't trying to back up the theories.

I have never seen these Ultimania guides, but if it was made by Square it's crucial evidence.

If I made a game, I would put subtle things in, but my main point would be the main storyline. But I'd put evidence for other stuff elsewhere.

But I understand I am not Square, so they may not do the same thing.

I will back up the theories I fully beleive - this one I am deciding.


I also realize the "just a game" angle, but so many stories where "just" what ever they were. Some writers do like subtlety but not all.

Yes I know I again did not provide back up :p but I will if you really want it, bare with me.

[Goldenboko]

You're last statement did nothing to support you're argument seeing as you have to have those opinions in order to be fighting you're side of the argument.
Square hires their writers to make stories that can reach a vast audience so they could easily rack in the big bucks. They would never want the entire storyline to be dictated by facts only a handful of people could see.

Lastly, yes we do need proof, but you're problem is, you cannot disprove that elders cannot evolve. You can ask me to cite my source and I will not because I'm confident its said and I'm not going to go searching for an exact quote. Besides, you're the one who should be proving an argument, all of my facts are clearly stated in game, real life, or obvious deductions about how companies have to work in order to make money.

[Comet]

I don't believe any of Future Esthar's theories. He believes what he wants to believe.

FF8 Story (http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/ff8story.shtml)

This is the whole FF8 timeline, so if you are willing to make another thread to do with time compression, I suggest you read everything on this site first.

[Hazzard]

MJN SEIFER, you're fighting for a lost cause. Bring us some concrete info in your next post to bolster your argument, because this is just pathetic, and we should probably stop replying to FE's insane, and primitively imaginative posts. The idea is sickening that Square would do such a thing, mainly because nobody would find logic in it, and wouldn't find it defining any sort of relevance to the story, even if subtle, it would be foolish to add such a poor revelation to the game. Square would never be so idiotic, and I suggest you guys read Comet's link, maybe that will make you finally understand the story of FF8, not Cid's turning into Shumi's; I'm sure that would of been revealed long ago, such a significant fact wouldn't be left unknown. Only two people believe this, and it's clearly impossible that it's real.

[MJN SEIFER]

MJN SEIFER, you're fighting for a lost cause. Bring us some concrete info in your next post to bolster your argument, because this is just pathetic, and we should probably stop replying to FE's insane, and primitively imaginative posts. The idea is sickening that Square would do such a thing, mainly because nobody would find logic in it, and wouldn't find it defining any sort of relevance to the story, even if subtle, it would be foolish to add such a poor revelation to the game. Square would never be so idiotic, and I suggest you guys read Comet's link, maybe that will make you finally understand the story of FF8, not Cid's turning into Shumi's; I'm sure that would of been revealed long ago, such a significant fact wouldn't be left unknown. Only two people believe this, and it's clearly impossible that it's real.



The reason I fighting a "lost cause" is because I'm not even fighting ANY cause. I am not part of this debate. I just offererd opinon on it,

I have read comet's link before, a lot of that is probable, but it is what we see, I agree with what it says, but I agree with some of FE's theories aswell.


Also some of his theories I actually thought of before I saw them, but he put them into more perspective.

He could be wrong, I realize that, but that doesn't mean have to treat him like someone who is bashing the game.

And don't say I didn't give evdience because I am not trying to!!!

[Hazzard]

Didn't you just say that you were going to gather evidence from your previous post, if we really wanted you to, I want you to, because your heart-set on this madman's "theories". I'll give you one simple question; why? Why do you believe that Cid evolves into a Shumi? That the clear, visible evidence in the FF8 Story is a hoax, and that we bloody have to think more deeper...you are analyzing too much...just see reality for itself, Square didn't aim to make people think this far into a video game - predicting things without no logic or reason, but they obviously didn't realize what effect it would have on the more special gamers...

[Comet]

The reason I fighting a "lost cause" is because I'm not even fighting ANY cause. I am not part of this debate. I just offererd opinon on it,

I have read comet's link before, a lot of that is probable, but it is what we see, I agree with what it says, but I agree with some of FE's theories aswell.


Also some of his theories I actually thought of before I saw them, but he put them into more perspective.

He could be wrong, I realize that, but that doesn't mean have to treat him like someone who is bashing the game.

And don't say I didn't give evdience because I am not trying to!!!

May I care to add that that link is not 'probable' but in fact, quite accurate. You would see that if you read the 'about us link' on the left hand side of the page.

[Hazzard]

Basically he believes some delusional, crazy individual over solid, concrete proof; that's clever, ain't it?!

[MJN SEIFER]

Basically he believes some delusional, crazy individual over solid, concrete proof; that's clever, ain't it?!

You (presumably by acident) made me smile here.

Also I understand what your saying, I will gather evidence for OTHER theoies not this one, I accept defeat here.

[Hazzard]

Thank you, and goodbye. Until the next false theory comes by *waves*

[Goldenboko]

Basically he believes some delusional, crazy individual over solid, concrete proof; that's clever, ain't it?!

You (presumably by acident) made me smile here.

Also I understand what your saying, I will gather evidence for OTHER theoies not this one, I accept defeat here.

Victory is mine! (http://www.ffshrine.org/ff4/midis/ff4-Fanfare.mid)

[Hazzard]

Basically he believes some delusional, crazy individual over solid, concrete proof; that's clever, ain't it?!

You (presumably by acident) made me smile here.

Also I understand what your saying, I will gather evidence for OTHER theoies not this one, I accept defeat here.

Victory is mine! (http://www.ffshrine.org/ff4/midis/ff4-Fanfare.mid)

No, boko, I made him submit first. :)

[Grazia]

Hazzard, you're my hero! :love:

[Dr. Acula]

evidence

I officially hate that word when it's associated with FE, now.

Sorry if I offended anyone with that comment.

[McLovin']

"Here comes the sun. doo doo doo doo.

It's all right."

[Aerith's Knight]

i personally believe all shumi evolved from the wee freckled toad of the m usberry swamps..

anyone who doesnt agree.. well.. it wouldnt take much to change my mind. :)

[Sword]

Why has FE not defended his theory or provided more "evidence"? Maybe admitting defeat is out of the question?

[Aerith's Knight]

Why has FE not defended his theory or provided more "evidence"? Maybe admitting defeat is out of the question?

Its easier to point out someone for being wrong, then admitting he was right.

[Future Esthar]

You are right Skyblade.I should replace Elder with Attendant which is a candidate to become an Elder.He probably will evolve before becoming one.
These evolutions can coexist because the world of FF8 is a "time compressed" world.
This also explains how Edea and Seifer can be Rinoa´s parents,how Rinoa and Squall can be Zell´s parents,how Zell and Quistis can be Selphie´s parents and how Raijin and Fujin can be Seifer´s parents.

[Jiro]

Why is everyone so quick to shoot FE down? His theories are interesting even if some are farfetched

[MJN SEIFER]

Why is everyone so quick to shoot FE down? His theories are interesting even if some are farfetched

Because they have nothing better to do.

[Goldenboko]

God I love the attitudes in this thread "Hey! We can't back FE, so let's just insult those against us!"

Sir Cloud, MJN this is a forum, the idea of a forum is to make topics and discuss them based on your opinions. FE made a topic, several people saw it (it was on the internet, therefore its bound to be read), and the opinion of those people was "This is ludicrous!". They stated that, and discussed why, and it was pretty clear who was right. Your statements are just childish now.

[Ouch!]

This also explains how Edea and Seifer can be Rinoa´s parents,how Rinoa and Squall can be Zell´s parents,how Zell and Quistis can be Selphie´s parents and how Raijin and Fujin can be Seifer´s parents.
...huh?

[MJN SEIFER]

God I love the attitudes in this thread "Hey! We can't back FE, so let's just insult those against us!"

Sir Cloud, MJN this is a forum, the idea of a forum is to make topics and discuss them based on your opinions. FE made a topic, several people saw it (it was on the internet, therefore its bound to be read), and the opinion of those people was "This is ludicrous!". They stated that, and discussed why, and it was pretty clear who was right. Your statements are just childish now.

You've completely interpreted what I've said.


I don't mind you debating the theories at all, for reasons you said, what I was referring to was the people who just flame people (not just FE) purely for the hell of it.

If you don't believe his theories that's ok, you can say, no one is stopping you.

I was actually DEFENDING YOU and those who sensibly debated the theories as well, so by insulting me you have insulted yourself. Besides I have already accepted that I was unable to back what FE was saying in this thread, so I gave in. Remember? So I am not "Insulting those against me" because I am not "against" anyone. I was just offering my opinion, and answering a post which another person asked, it read:



Why is everyone so quick to shoot FE down? His theories are interesting even if some are farfetched

Which I admit I took too seriously, I interpreted as:



Why do people just insult other members for no good reason, over what is simply a theory topic that should have proper debates rather than flames.

That is why I answered the way I did, I wasn't getting at anyone personally in this thread I was just sick of how an innocent thread can turn into a flame war, which was stupid of me to react like that as I didn't actually read through the post that day. If anything I think I was spurned on by this.



I'm not a troll, I just can't [censored] understand what the hell he's saying. He can't spell for [censored] Please stop typing like an autistic 5 year old who communicates by bashing his malformed head on the keyboard, dumbass.


This was all in a topic about the very forum member this guy was insulting, I can't say exactly what the topic was about, as it is only for certain "types" of people me being one (The whole forum is designed for "us") but I can tell you that this poster's spelling was not the topic. Plus there was no need for the offensive, ageist insults that the above poster used. (Which reminds me, Goldenboko if you are going to insult me don't use words like "childish" because that is insulting towards children and generalizes them.) And while I'm about it; here is an example of the insulted posters spelling:



arrr the joy of [Subject of the forum] dreams, myself i have them rarely from time to time, i had one this morning mind.., well i say this morning, my alarm went off at nine and i got out of bed at 11 XD, thats how good it was, [Subject of the forum] hehe

troulbe is the details on dreams fade so soon, if you rely like one i advise writing down as much as you can asap, and then work through it again and again to make sure you didnt miss stuff


I noticed a few mistakes, but nothing that deserved such harsh insults, as was mentioned by that other poster.


So basically I was so wound up by what was happening on this other forum, Took one look at Sir Cloud's question, and ended up interpreting it. I am sorry. I will try not to do it again, but bare in minds I was defending you as well, you obviously didn't get the message which is my fault I should have worded it better.

I hope you understand.

[Hazzard]

MJN Seifer, you're long post had absolutely no relevance to the thread.

Future Esthar, I feel you need to take a break from playing VIII, you're ideas are ludicrous and baseless. You never provide concrete proof, but ramble on with nonsense most of the time.

Please, tell me why you think Squall is Zell's Dad? Cause it's sounds pathetic, and is seriously annoying to read.

[MJN SEIFER]

MJN Seifer, you're long post had absolutely no relevance to the thread.

I realize that, some one misunderstood an earlier post of mine so I explained it. As an atempt to straighten things out. Sorry for going off topic, but I was desperate.

[Iceglow]

wow this thread made me lawl so hard I cried it's 5am in the morning and I've not slept but heck this is good! :D


I don't believe any of Future Esthar's theories. He believes what he wants to believe.

FF8 Story (http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/ff8story.shtml)

This is the whole FF8 timeline, so if you are willing to make another thread to do with time compression, I suggest you read everything on this site first.

Only thing I will say about that link is there were 3 shelters they forgot about Trabia Garden, you can tell when you go there it was once one of the same shelters that formed Balamb and Gabaladia Garden by the floating ring on it, However the garden never managed to evade the missiles directed at it, since Gabaldia Garden was never under threat and the missiles for Trabia were launched first and none bar headmaster Cid seems to know about the MD level prior to the arrival of Squall and party in Balamb to warn him of the attack they would not have had the knowledge or chance to evade the missiles since they had no warning of them.


You are right Skyblade.I should replace Elder with Attendant which is a candidate to become an Elder.He probably will evolve before becoming one.
These evolutions can coexist because the world of FF8 is a "time compressed" world.
This also explains how Edea and Seifer can be Rinoa´s parents,how Rinoa and Squall can be Zell´s parents,how Zell and Quistis can be Selphie´s parents and how Raijin and Fujin can be Seifer´s parents.

OoooooKaaaayyy.... I never thought I'd actually say this to people but; FE never speak again, you sir are essentially an oxygen thief. You have no idea what you're talking about do you? You've officially I think obtained a ciddie slot permanently (note: I should send this to BoB see if he will make a ciddie spot for it) for the member who most needs locking away in the mental institute for real. Your "theories" have always been a little crack pot but if you're serious about either theory I have seen you state in this thread you've lost the plot officially. Seek mental help FF8 is merely a game...sure it was great but the storyline was never meant to dissected to this level and in fact as GB has said (well done GoBo you've officially gone from -9999 respect to - 9998 respect for this thread) you're now working pieces of fan fiction not "theories" Elders are evolved from Shumi but the only other form they can evolve to is a Moomba it is stated clearly in the game. As for the whole parent thing...thats not a theory thats just some sick wet dream of a fertile imagination.

First rule of making a theory is a piece of evidence supporting this. FF8 was not always a "time compressed world" Ellone does it at the end of Disc 3 so you might reach Ultimecia and end her reign of terror but clearly at the end of the battle it's over and Ellone is no longer making time compressed this thus disproves any theory you have based on that shred of fiction.

[ShivaBlizzard8]

Guys, FE has been making these wild theories since, I dunno, at least five years ago. As long as I can remember being on these boards anyway. He's not going to give up anytime soon. Just accept his whacked-out ideas for the insanity they are and ignore it.l :love:

[Del Murder]

Preach on Shiva.

[Eiko Guy]

FE is the heart and soul of eoff. I LOVE FUTURE ESTHAR.

[Dr. Acula]

You are right Skyblade.I should replace Elder with Attendant which is a candidate to become an Elder.He probably will evolve before becoming one.
These evolutions can coexist because the world of FF8 is a "time compressed" world.
This also explains how Edea and Seifer can be Rinoa´s parents,how Rinoa and Squall can be Zell´s parents,how Zell and Quistis can be Selphie´s parents and how Raijin and Fujin can be Seifer´s parents.

OoooooKaaaayyy.... I never thought I'd actually say this to people but; FE never speak again, you sir are essentially an oxygen thief. You have no idea what you're talking about do you? You've officially I think obtained a ciddie slot permanently (note: I should send this to BoB see if he will make a ciddie spot for it) for the member who most needs locking away in the mental institute for real. Your "theories" have always been a little crack pot but if you're serious about either theory I have seen you state in this thread you've lost the plot officially. Seek mental help FF8 is merely a game...sure it was great but the storyline was never meant to dissected to this level and in fact as GB has said (well done GoBo you've officially gone from -9999 respect to - 9998 respect for this thread) you're now working pieces of fan fiction not "theories" Elders are evolved from Shumi but the only other form they can evolve to is a Moomba it is stated clearly in the game. As for the whole parent thing...thats not a theory thats just some sick wet dream of a fertile imagination.

First rule of making a theory is a piece of evidence supporting this. FF8 was not always a "time compressed world" Ellone does it at the end of Disc 3 so you might reach Ultimecia and end her reign of terror but clearly at the end of the battle it's over and Ellone is no longer making time compressed this thus disproves any theory you have based on that shred of fiction.

Marry me, Iceglow.

[The Magical Walrus]

This thread is hilarious. XD
I've heard some pretty farfetched theories, but..
Wow. Just wow.

[Bolivar]

I think alot of you have missed a little something on page 2 so before anyone else jumps in, let me just quote:


You guys take FE's theories seriously and, therefore, fail.


Again, for emphasis:


You guys take FE's theories seriously and, therefore, fail.

Some people have the idea that this is supposed to be serious and cold debates 24/7 on these forums, what happened to doing things for the fun of it? Even if FE's theories are a little farfetched (okay, very farfetched) they're still fun to read and even with this one it's interesting to think about what he's getting at.

[McLovin']

But where is he. :O

[ReloadPsi]

Once again I have taken it upon myself to prove you all wrong. By capturing NORG at the end of his boss fight (rather than defeating him) in Final Fantasy VIII: Blue Version, I was able to trade him across to Final Fantasy VIII: Red Version. Then, after using thirteen M-Stone Pieces on him, this happened...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/diehure/norgevolves.gif

And now you know! All the monsters you've been fighting throughout the game are just Shumis who are effectively in a state of what I will call "Evolution Senility" for no reason.

[Dr. Acula]

^ Possibly the best theory ever.

[Serapy]

MJN Seifer, you're long post had absolutely no relevance to the thread.

Future Esthar, I feel you need to take a break from playing VIII, you're ideas are ludicrous and baseless. You never provide concrete proof, but ramble on with nonsense most of the time.

Please, tell me why you think Squall is Zell's Dad? Cause it's sounds pathetic, and is seriously annoying to read.

You do realize that most other posts of yours 'had absolutely no relevance to the thread' as well? Calling his theories stupid, far fetched or whatever without proving him wrong with details is completely unnecessary because... such post has more like nothing to do with the purpose of the thread either.

If you don't believe FE's theories then DON'T bother posting. Just let me tell you, you always don't have some bit of knowledge that FE has. With his pure feelings, he said that it's not fan fiction, therefore you can't diss him. If it actually was fan fiction, things would of have already been directing into a different way.

There are many unanswered questions left in the game which made an increible phenomena for FF8 fans, making them a bit more motivated to get off thier lazy butts and discover serect stuff in the game and make theories by evaluating the slightings and the story of FF8 and posted them on the forum. That does NOT match the meaning of fan fiction.

Let me ask you, if you think his theories are false, then prove them wrong with full detail. That's exactly one of the purposes as to why 'forum' is created. Forum is all about accurate detail. Posting stupid posts like nah that's false, no proof without full detail isn't the real reason why forum is created.

[McLovin']

Rofl, Serapy is FE?

[Serapy]

The society of Shumi seemed to be very isolated from others.
For example , Shumi beneath the Garden, hiding separatedly away from Humans for belief reasons. Humans don't seem to care about Shumi as they didn't know NORG really existed in the Garden.
And the same example applies to the village of Shumi, most people don't know the location of Shumi, again because they don't seem to care.
No wonder Shumi is very angry with Humans if bad things happened to them [the NORG incident at the Garden] , Shumi usually blame humans. When you talk with one of Shumi in the Village, they acted like they are neutral because they don't want trouble but deep down, they are still angry with humans.

[Aerith's Knight]

Once again I have taken it upon myself to prove you all wrong. By capturing NORG at the end of his boss fight (rather than defeating him) in Final Fantasy VIII: Blue Version, I was able to trade him across to Final Fantasy VIII: Red Version. Then, after using thirteen M-Stone Pieces on him, this happened...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/diehure/norgevolves.gif

And now you know! All the monsters you've been fighting throughout the game are just Shumis who are effectively in a state of what I will call "Evolution Senility" for no reason.


it all makes sense now!! :p :D

[Serapy]

Once again I have taken it upon myself to prove you all wrong. By capturing NORG at the end of his boss fight (rather than defeating him) in Final Fantasy VIII: Blue Version, I was able to trade him across to Final Fantasy VIII: Red Version. Then, after using thirteen M-Stone Pieces on him, this happened...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/diehure/norgevolves.gif

And now you know! All the monsters you've been fighting throughout the game are just Shumis who are effectively in a state of what I will call "Evolution Senility" for no reason.


it all makes sense now!! :p :D

Right...

Anyways, if FF8 is all about one thing, then why is Shumi in FF8? Why are they involved ;). They can't exist without any reason.

[MJN SEIFER]

Right...

Anyways, if FF8 is all about one thing, then why is Shumi in FF8? Why are they involved ;). They can't exist without any reason.

That Pokefantasy post was a joke.

And yes I am sure there is a purpose to the Shumi in FFVIII, Whether or not it was what FE belives - I don't know, as I have seen evidence that suports both sides, and No FF game is about one thing. True they have their main storyline and theme, but other storylines will become involved and have some affect, sometimes major, sometimes minor, and at times they will be major in minor clothes...

[Raebus]

I'd like to think ff8 fans are imagining these theories. Square creates a relatively simple story and ff fans add onto it with nonsensical theories.

[MJN SEIFER]

I am going to disagree. But before we get into a debate, just let me say, I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong as you might be right, but I just don't agree as I (believe I am) looking at this from an artistic perspective. As many writers like to interoperate many different things into their stories and leave various things up the public.


However - as much as I believe/want Square to be these types of writers, I have no way of proving that they are. Just like you have no way of proving that they aren't.


Further more theories come and go. Some a supported, some are debated, and some are supported even after there debated. But I welcome them, as they are interesting to read, and they make me look at the game in different perspectives, whether that was the intention of the writers or not. FE and other theory posters, have provided prominent evidence in their theories, but that doesn't mean their right, as those against have provided good evidence as well. But I hope the theories will continue, and I don't mind them being debated. Just do it fairly.

[ReloadPsi]

Right...

Anyways, if FF8 is all about one thing, then why is Shumi in FF8? Why are they involved ;). They can't exist without any reason.

Yeah, I totally didn't throw in the one Shumi who has complete total significance to the plot in that joke. As for the joke itself, I was making fun of you again.

[Serapy]

Right...

Anyways, if FF8 is all about one thing, then why is Shumi in FF8? Why are they involved ;). They can't exist without any reason.

Yeah, I totally didn't throw in the one Shumi who has complete total significance to the plot in that joke. As for the joke itself, I was making fun of you again.

You actually thought I didn't take the joke? What a shame. After all, I mainly have posted my theories for a 13 letters word, entertainment. Probably wasn't entertainment when I said the "right..." implying I didn't take joke, but guess what? I was being sarcastic because I knew for a second that you always take me serious again, so there I said it.


I'd like to think ff8 fans are imagining these theories. Square creates a relatively simple story and ff fans add onto it with nonsensical theories.

Welcome to the club. FF8 is a complex story with an interesting story. Making theories makes everything even more interesting. Some fans made theories, all mainly because of entertainment. Unfortunately, some people really don't like fans making theories (points at ReloadPsi for example), they take them way serious.
But do you realize that you are on a FF fan communuity?

What's funny thing about ReloadPsi is that he has called me an idiot for making theories, mainly when they are for entertainment :D

[Christmas]

I bet some of the Shumi evolve into Pikachu. :bigsmile:

[MJN SEIFER]

I bet some of the Shumi evolve into Pikachu. :bigsmile:

Only if they've been good! :p

[Future Esthar]

Actually Norg has evolved into Trauma.I found out that recently.
If you don´t believe-me play that battle again and scan Drauma.

[Serapy]

Actually Norg has evolved into Trauma.I found out that recently.
If you don´t believe-me play that battle again and scan Drauma.

I missed you, welcome back!

I wonder what's the purpose of those evolutions, hmm.

[Future Esthar]

So there you go.I am not Serapy.

[McLovin']

I smell a conspiracy here between FE and..."Serapy."

They're both Squenix sersriosly. Ya'll be prepared for the truth.

[MJN SEIFER]

Actually Norg has evolved into Trauma.I found out that recently.
If you don´t believe-me play that battle again and scan Drauma.

That sounds really interesting, and I am intruiged. However, do you have what the scan says or know a site that does? Sorry to sound lazy, but I have no idea if I have a save state anywhere near Trauma, and I never faught that many "servents" anyway (didn't need to, I had an X-Plode, sad I know).

[Future Esthar]

It´s not what the scan says.It´s the monster graphic.

[MJN SEIFER]

Are you saying they look similar? Because, I have a picture at hand, (in a book) and they do a bit. Mind you it's black and white so, I may have to research a coloured picture to be sure. (Should make that much difference).