Saw IV

[Jess]

Who has seen this? What did you think?

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[CimminyCricket]

What?! There's a fourth?

[Ouch!]

I went to see it last night. I hadn't seen the previous three, so the ending confused me a bit, as it turns out Saw 3 and 4 overlap chronologically.

I found it to be unnecessarily gruesome, and yet fairly awesome.

[Jess]

The fourth came out yesterday, which is when I went to see it. I enjoyed it, especially the twist that Saw III and Saw IV ran simultaneously with eachother. I thought the test on Rigg was very similar to Detective Matthew's test in Saw II, as he just had to let people save themselves rather than intervene.

I enjoyed it, and there is going to be a fifth and a sixth. I though this one was definitely the most gross, and several parts made me CRINGE and look away, which I didn't do in any of the previous 3. Perhaps it was overly gross, but the story line alone keeps me interested in the movies. :jess:

[Monol]

DEAR GOD JIGSAW HAS A BACKSTORY! HES AWSOMER NOW! WAHOOO!!!

THE TRAPS WERENT "GORY AND DUMB DUMB"....They sort of had a purpose...

Acting wasnt TERRIBLE....oh and it was well directed! :cool:

[Boney King]

I thought it was well done and quite clever. I'm just thankful it wasn't stupidly hard to follow for someone who hasn't seen Saw III and only read the Wikipedia synopsis prior to seeing it.

Probably the only part of the movie with truly unnecessary violence would be in the beginning when they perform the autopsy on Jigsaw. Guess they had to get the audience grossed out early. Other than that, I didn't find anything quite as brutal as anything from the Hostel series. I guess if you didn't want to be grossed out, you wouldn't have gone to see Saw IV (of all things), and instead would have seen The Heartbreak Kid or something.

[McLovin']

Anyone know where I can watch it online? :(

[themagicroundabout]

It was pretty gross.
But what else would you expect?

I thought it was a very interesting watch. Now I just need to watch I and III. =o

[McLovin']

Ah just watched it online. :D

You need to see 3 to kinda get whats going on in this one :p

And the only reference to 2 was the detective who we haven't seen since that movie.

But awesome torture scenes.

[Jess]

And the only reference to 2 was the detective who we haven't seen since that movie.
We saw Detective Matthews in Saw III.

[Mo-Nercy]

'twas awesome. xD

There's nothing worse/better than the syringe pit scene from Saw II though. *cringe*

[Miriel]

It was so SO bad.

Like, not even, "hahahah this is so bad, it's fantastic" sort of bad. Just plain craptastic. Obviously you don't go into a movie like Saw expecting great filmmaking or anything. But at least it should be amusing in its badness. =/

[Peegee]

I expect saw movies to give me subjective existential meaning in my life. The fourth one just confused the bejeezus out of me. I didn't know who was what, and wikipedia later becomes confusing as hell because I think they either mixed up the characters in key scenes, or I didn't remember the movie properly, thus making me confused even more.

Also the guy with the guns who kidnapped Detective Matthews and another Detective who briefly existed in the 2nd Saw [which I didn't know until I read the wikipedia article] didn't make sense to me. Even when I read the wikipedia article and found he was Art the lawyer, and remembered the guy had a scare on his mouth, I was still confused as hell.

I think I might watch saw 3 again and then consider watching Saw 4 yet again.

And in 2009 when the 5th one comes out I'm watching all 4 and bringing my notebook to the movie. Ugh.

[McLovin']

I rewatched Saw 3 after and it made much more sense.

[Jess]

What was confusing about IV? :confused:

[Peegee]

Detective Matthews was really fat and thus I didn't recognize him. Even seeing that thing on his foot didn't trigger the 'aha'. Also Forensic Hoffman isn't somebody I immediately recognized or ever recognized. In fact I thought he was Detective Matthews (cuz the real one was fat and confused me).

The lawyer Art was also confusing me. I was like 'who is this bozo with a scar on his face? I totally can't put two and two together', because Art looked like a young guy with his head shaved.

In fact after reading the wikipedia article I am even more confused, though it is making more sense now.

[Jess]

Detective Matthews was really fat and thus I didn't recognize him. Even seeing that thing on his foot didn't trigger the 'aha'. Also Forensic Hoffman isn't somebody I immediately recognized or ever recognized. In fact I thought he was Detective Matthews (cuz the real one was fat and confused me).

The lawyer Art was also confusing me. I was like 'who is this bozo with a scar on his face? I totally can't put two and two together', because Art looked like a young guy with his head shaved.

In fact after reading the wikipedia article I am even more confused, though it is making more sense now.
Detective Matthews was held prisoner for six months for the time from Saw II to Saw III/IV. Obviously, this would cause some difference in appearance. I thought it was somebody else too, at first. Hoffman did appear in Saw III, with Rigg at the first crime scene.

I didn't guess who Art Blanc was until I thought about the scar on his face and then it became obvious to me that he was the same bloke from the first trap in the film. I thought it was very clever~

[Peegee]

I need to watch the movie again because Art from years ago/Art from the trap, and Art the guy with a scar on his face looked different. My memory made Art the guy with a scar much younger than Art the guy from years ago, who I thought was more like John Kramer's colleague (in age) than anything else.

Shruggle.

[Jon Thompson]

How did some of you figure that SAW III and IV ran simultaneously? It's clear that it happened after SAW III because Jeff was still around looking for his daughter. Linda's body didn't look fresh. Really the whole movie (minus in autopsy room) took place between the end of SAW III and the autopsy scene. The FBI guy Hoffman trapped inside the room with Jigsaws corpse obviously made it out.


What horrible directing. Darren Lynn Bousman is a hack. The jump shots, scraping noise bull:skull::skull::skull::skull: constantly was too much. What I disliked about the movie was that they didn't really try anything new. The 'twist' at the end didn't really shock me because I hadn't cared. Watch SAW last night, bring back James Wan.

Things that sucked about it:

1. Jeff dying like that - makes half of SAW III pointless and seemed tossed in for cheap effect.

2. Eric Matthews dying - what the gay was this? They include ten-fifteen minutes of him in SAW III and leave open the possibility that he had survived for what? This makes no sense in the jigsaw storyline. He failed his first test but broke free of the leg-chain, beat the :skull::skull::skull::skull: out of Amanda for trying to screw him over just to be kept in a prison for 6 months then die without hardly a word? Complete bullocks.

3. SAW 2 cop out - The game in Saw II was the exact same. Matthew's had to simply sit for two hours and he'd get his kid. All Rigg had to do was nothing and Matthew's and Hoffman would be let go. Nice creative there SAW people.

4. Considering Hoffman is a character we know really nothing about the shock wore thin. He has virtually no connection to Jigsaw so why?

5. No Dr. Gordon - I know on imdb this is an old Topic but SAW 4 was just SCREAMING DR. GORDON IS ACCOMPLISS. Eric Matthews being kept alive, his broken foot/ankle heeled and many traps this movie involved medical know how. Dr. Gordon is obviously alive or the point of SAW was pointless; you had to SAW off your own foot to win the game so there had to be help ready for him.

SAW IV was good, stayed true to the vein of the saw series. Now, there should be a style change or a change in direction. If they are going to keep following the same formula for every movie then SAW V and VI are only going to be worse than this one. While they continue to come up with traps (the hair trap was kind of gay) and decently plotted games they don't bring anything new to the table. SAW team, you can be far more creative then you are. Stop pumping out a movie every year and take some time to make it good.


AND STOP WITH ALL THE DAMN NOISES AND JUMP CUTS!!! WE GET PEOPLE FREAK OUT IN TRAPS WE DON'T NEED IT AFTER FOUR MOVIES WITH WOOSHHHWISHSCREAPPPWAHHWISHH!H!!!H

[Levian]

Jon Thompson:

I think what you wrote in your 4th point is what Saw 5 will be all about. The ending to Saw 4 insinuates that.

I very much agree with your 1st and 2nd point. That was kinda annoying.

I think you're wrong about Saw 3 and 4 not happening at the same time. I think Jeff being shot and the FBI agent being locked up in the room is chronologically the last thing to happen, except from the autopsy room. I think the story will pick up from there and we'll see what happens to the guy locked up in the room Jeff & Lynn died. What happens between he got locked up and the police came and discovered this place is what I think we'll also find out in Saw 5. As well as what Hoffman's task is, which was inside Jigsaw's stomach.

I liked Saw 4 much better than Saw 3. Better story, less unnecessary gore, and a better twist at the end.

[Shoeberto]

I liked Saw 4 much better than Saw 3. Better story, less unnecessary gore, and a better twist at the end.
If this is true, then I may end up seeing it. Saw 3 just about turned me off the series. The first and second held my attention but the third one just had too much nasty stuff for seemingly no reason, I couldn't hardly stand it half the time (and I'm not really all the squeemish).

I mean, is it less tame than the ripping-out-chains, ripping-out-ribs, brain-surgery and twister thinger mabob?

[Jess]

I liked Saw 4 much better than Saw 3. Better story, less unnecessary gore, and a better twist at the end.
Saw IV was GROSS, especially the first 20 minutes. xD

[Valiant]

How did some of you figure that SAW III and IV ran simultaneously?

They did run simultaneously:

"It is then revealed that the events of Saw IV have run concurrently to those of Saw III"

That's why we saw Jeff walking into the room at the end just before Strahm comes in and kills him. Strahm only went into the room because he heard Jeff's movements towards it.

I think Jeff might have moved out of the room by that point if Saw IV ran straight on from Saw III, the room was only sealed by Hoffman at the end of Saw IV!

[Levian]

I liked Saw 4 much better than Saw 3. Better story, less unnecessary gore, and a better twist at the end.
Saw IV was GROSS, especially the first 20 minutes. xD

Yeah, but Saw 3 was gross the whole way through. D: The only super gross thing in Saw 4 was the opening scene, which lasted what, 10 minutes? obviously not 10 minutes packed with gore, but definitely enough of it. ;o

Throughout the entire Saw series so far there's been four scenes I just had to look away from, and that's the surgery scene in Saw 3, The limb twister thing in Saw 3, the opening scene of Saw 3 and the autopsy in Saw 4. Saw 4 is definitely grosser than Saw 1 and 2, but the 3rd is clearly the worst ;o

but yeah, it's Saw, it's gross.

[Xander]

I was confused because I forgot Saw III and didnt know who people were, and didnt find it that special, but the gore satisfied me since thats why I mostly went to see it :D

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

I liked Saw 4 much better than Saw 3. Better story, less unnecessary gore, and a better twist at the end.
Saw IV was GROSS, especially the first 20 minutes. xD

yep i felt that way too, autopsy ftw

it was a great movie, the fat guys death was the must most hard to watch =/,

saw 2 is still my favorite :)

[Nominus Experse]

The only things that were neat about this movie were its transitions and when it finally fucking ended.

The Saw films suck so badly, I don't know why I even bothered to see this one.

[Levian]

Haha yeah, if you can't stand them then I'd say it's pretty silly to see all four of them. xD

Yeah, the transitions were cool. :up: noticed they did a few of those in the other Saw films too.

[Nominus Experse]

Like when he (the black cop) puts on his shirt? That one made myself and my friends all gasp and give off an unexpectedly synchronized "whoa"