Possibly the weirdest thing to happen in the history of ever [Soul Calibur IV]

[XxSephirothxX]

It's not even an exaggeration. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165334)

http://sparelimited.com/soulcal.jpg

[Roto13]

... What the fuck?

This is even weirder than Spawn/Link/Heihachi. O_o

[Ouch!]

I find this extremely amusing.

[ReloadPsi]

Link and Heihachi were believable, Spawn I know nothing of.

This is just plain ridiculous.

[Evastio]

Wow. I thought you guys loved 3rd party characters. If you absolutely adored having Snake and Sonic in Super Smash Bros. Brawl despite not being Nintendo I don't see why you aren't crying alound in mirth and merriment now that Yoda and Darth Vader are in Soul Calibur IV despite not being Namco.

[Roto13]

Soul Calibur isn't a mish-mash game. It has a set theme. Smash Bros. doesn't.

[Evastio]

Soul Calibur isn't a mish-mash game. It has a set theme. Smash Bros. doesn't.
The Smash Bros. series had a Nintendo theme in the first two games.

[Roto13]

Nintendo isn't a theme, it's a company. :P If all Nintendo games felt the same, it'd be a different story.

[Ouch!]

Soul Calibur isn't a mish-mash game. It has a set theme. Smash Bros. doesn't.
The Smash Bros. series had a Nintendo theme in the first two games.
And still does. Both Sonic and Snake have appeared on Nintendo consoles; now it's just expanded to third party characters. There's still tangible connections between the two. There's really no explanation for the appearance of Vader and Yoda in SCIV at all.

[LunarWeaver]

Hahaha that's awesome. I'm happy for all eternity now.

[JKTrix]

Lol.

/end transmission

[Markus. D]

As said: Hai, Spawn and Link made sense (or at least had the outfitting costume to not look generic).

Darth and Yoda = O_o! How on earth did they enter such a world...

[Vermachtnis]

I so hope I get to air choke some people.

I was hoping for some Tales of characters though. Lloyd was in the Wii game.

[Madame Adequate]

Fun > Sense.

This won't be fun though, because Vader is going to the PS3 and Yoda to the 360. Which basically defeats the entire point of having them both.

[Mizukaze]

They added the Starwars theme to practically everything but in a game like soul caliber?...i wouldnt be surprised if they thought it would be cool to add this in streetfighter 4. I mean... vader can barely move in that respirator imagin him doing kicks. Yoda is prolly the only one who could pull off the moves from starwars but hes in a galaxy far far away =/. I guess Lightsabers, The Force, Death Stars ect. isnt enough.

[Monol]

Awww man no darth maul? Or yoda vs vadar matches?
bummer...

This is pretty wicked though! Hooray for force chocking!

[Rase]

Epic win.

[Creeping Shadow]

Wow those are one of the last people id expect to see in soul calibur. I still have a hard time beliving it. I wonder what there soul edge weapons will look like.

[JKTrix]

Trailers are around on gamevideos.com and gametrailers.com, and very likely several other sites by now.

Apparently it's possible that more characters (Star Wars or otherwise) will come by Downloadable Content.

[Kanshisha]

As said: Hai, Spawn and Link made sense (or at least had the outfitting costume to not look generic).

Darth and Yoda = O_o! How on earth did they enter such a world...

LOL:p

out of the ordinary.. light sabers just don't suit the game!

[XxSephirothxX]

Fun > Sense.

This won't be fun though, because Vader is going to the PS3 and Yoda to the 360. Which basically defeats the entire point of having them both.
It has also been mentioned that it is very likely that the excluded character, in addition to others, will be available as downloadable content on each system. And who buys a game these days without dropping another 10 bucks on downloadables, anyway? :choc2:

[Breine]

..take a look at this (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/29550.html) and tell me what you think.

[XxSephirothxX]

Threads merged. :monster:

[Breine]

Threads merged. :monster:

Thanks :) I was so shocked by the news that I didn't realize there already was a thread about it.

Overall, I'm not at all sure what to think about this..

[MJN SEIFER]

Hear that? A shark just asked why Namco jumped him...

I like the Soul games, but I think this is a step too far, I have nothing against Star Wars, but I think this abandoning the main system.

[KentaRawr!]

The trailer should have said "Soul Blades" instead. It would have been more awesomez.

I wonder, though, if they'll actually try to explain why the two are now linked. In SC2, each extra character was from a different game/comic, and so it would be harder to explain all their appearances in the same world, and their stories and reasoning for coming to the world weren't really well done, as to be expected. They were extra characters. Now, here, the two extra characters are from the same universe, so there must be something common between the two in their reasoning for coming here, don't you agree? But we're talking about Star Wars here. I don't want Darth Vader to impact the story. :p Since they're Extra Characters, too, I don't think they'll work too hard on their stories.

[Dreddz]

This is lame for alot of reasons. I have nothing against Yoda and Darth Vader but why on earth would any of you guys want these two in Soul Caliber IV? The story to this game will make me throw up while reading. And neither sound like interesting characters to be in a fighting game.

Lightsabers suck.

[KentaRawr!]

No one's really said that they do want them in, sans a few. No need to target an entire thread now, Dreddz. Besides, just like with the extra characters of SC2, or the Bonus Characters of SC3, it's not likely that they'll impact the story at all outside the non-canon story mode bound to be included. But if we are to compare it to SC2, then the 3 extra characters only received spotlight for a single mission.

I don't think story-lovers have anything to worry about.

[Rase]

why on earth would any of you guys want these two in Soul Caliber IV?
Because I won't be playing it, so I couldn't care less if it's good.

[Raebus]

I'd want them in Soul Caliber IV, they look like fun characters to play with and I'd love to play as Darth Vader.

[Larahl]

I'd want them in Soul Caliber IV, they look like fun characters to play with and I'd love to play as Darth Vader.
I agree.
Besides, most people don't pay attention to the storyline in fighting games anyway.

[Vermachtnis]

Really who does pay attention to the story in fighting games? The people who like to complain, I mean when Lui Kang and Raiden popped up in the next to last Mortal Kombat game, most people were like 'Yay!', but few people had to ruin it because there was no logical reason. Take it has it is, fanservice. Fanservice has no logic and I'm not talking the nekkid type of fanservice ;p

And Lightsabers are the coolest weapon ever. Whether or not you like Star Wars.

[Roto13]

Besides, most people don't pay attention to the storyline in fighting games anyway.


Really who does pay attention to the story in fighting games? The people who like to complain

H8! (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/927089/26537)

[James Leopold]

This is amazing.

[JKTrix]

Besides, most people don't pay attention to the storyline in fighting games anyway.


Really who does pay attention to the story in fighting games? The people who like to complain

H8! (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/927089/26537)

QFLink to Award Winning Soul Calibur Story FAQ by Roto.
and also since Roto's text is usually grey people might overlook it


I don't think this is as big of a deal as Super Moves or The Disappearance of Ivy's Clothes in the 'this is destroying Soul Calibur' category, becuase I can just ignore characters. I might not like them existing there, but as long as NamcoBandai doesn't make them get in the way I can ignore them. (Though I'm pretty sure the Star Wars thing comes more from the Bandai side of the family than the Namco side)

I still think it's funny though.

[Big D]

I think this is great. The earlier games have already established that the soul swords are powerful enough that they'll draw warriors from other times and even other worlds.

It's flimsy, but it's more than enough for me:p The sheer amount of epicness offered by this news far outweighs the monumental bitching and whining it's generated on the internet.

And to those who complain about light sabers versus swords... we already know from the movies that light sabers can't cut certain metals at all, or at least not easily. We'll just have to assume that spring steel is one of those metals:D Besides, both the weapons and the people in the Soul games are remarkably durable, resisting the kind of abuse that would instantly destroy their real-world counterpart. So there.

I'm really looking forward to SCIV's character creation, if it's going to have it.

I'm gonna jokingly speculate about other possible crossover characters... hmm.

Captain Picard is a fencer, so they could give him a rapier and let him go nuts.

Final Fantasy characters have been kind of done to death in crossovers lately, so they'd be surplus to requirements but still cool.

Solid Snake and his commando knife... that'd be neat. Especially since he doesn't like swords.

Indiana Jones' whip would make up for the general lack of flail weapons in the games.

And last, but not least... the Black Knight, of Monty Python's Holy Grail fame. Hell yes. Especially if King Arthur was available too. Plenty of great soundbites available from the movie to give them perfect in-game dialogue.

I know none of this is likely to happen, but it's fun to speculate anyway.

[NeoCracker]

The only logical bonus character left to them is the King of Sparta.

[Roto13]

Light Sabers not slicing through regular swords (and people) with ease is no harder to believe than Vader fighting Voldo, anyway. ;P My suspension of disbelief can go that far.

I really don't mind these guys as long as they're integrated like the bonus characters from SC II.

Also, Anakin Skywalker for Darth's 2p costume?

[Big D]

Also, Anakin Skywalker for Darth's 2p costume?No plz?The only logical bonus character left to them is the King of Sparta.If it wouldn't amount to a literary atrocity, I'd suggest the film versions of some of Tolkien's characters. Witch-King of Angmar, anyone? I've already used SCIII's character creation to make both versions of Gandalf:D

[ljkkjlcm9]

All this does is tell me that they can't come up with any good characters on their own. Sure some are cool, but when the best ones are always from other games, there is a problem. When people buy Soul Calibur 2 to play as link, or Soul Calibur Legends, to play as Lloyd, or now, SC4 to play as Vader... are you really selling your game?

Just seems like a cheap way to make sure your game sells.

THE JACKEL

[Roto13]

I can see how someone might think that. But SC II was great and SC III is pretty good too. (Except it should have been an arcade game first.) The new characters in III were pretty awesome, but they weren't really well implemented gameplay-wise. Being Darth Vader wouldn't fix that.

[Larahl]

Besides, most people don't pay attention to the storyline in fighting games anyway.


Really who does pay attention to the story in fighting games? The people who like to complain

H8! (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/927089/26537)
Well, um... You're special.

Anyway, I see people like to complain about it so much, the more the merrier.
Besides, the more new charatcer like Yoda and Darth Vader, the more epic lulz we'll get.

[fire_of_avalon]

This is just to draw a larger fanbase and sell more games. I'm boycotting Soul Calibur IV already, however, because of Ivy. Hey look, we've written a story that creates this strong, smart female character? Let's let every instance of story telling lead to her defeat by a mysterious man/demon AND let's take off all of her clothes! :aimmad:

[Raebus]

I agree with the removal of Ivy's clothes. Who's with me, guys?

[KentaRawr!]

Well, it increases the game's popularity, but destroys any sense of character besides being a prostitute.

[Roto13]

Well she usually has a costume where she's actually wearing clothes. xP

[Breine]

All this does is tell me that they can't come up with any good characters on their own. Sure some are cool, but when the best ones are always from other games, there is a problem. When people buy Soul Calibur 2 to play as link, or Soul Calibur Legends, to play as Lloyd, or now, SC4 to play as Vader... are you really selling your game?

Just seems like a cheap way to make sure your game sells.

THE JACKAL

Yeah, I guess that's why they do it, but in my opinion Soul Calibur actually has some very distinct and memorable characters (e.g. Voldo, Mitsurugi, Taki, Ivy, Cervantes etc.). Also, even though putting Yoda and Darth Vader in the game will surely help it to sell more, I actually think the game would sell really well without them in it too - the Soul Calibur series is undoubtedly a bunch of high quality fighting games..

Anyway, the whole thing with the Y-man and Vader is just a bit too much in my opinion. They don't fit the into the world/look/atmosphere of the series, and unlike e.g. Link and Heihachi their presence in the game is pushing it just a tad too much. They're simply just too spacey and otherworldly to be in the game.

[starseeker]

I want this game now

[Heath]

When I saw first, I immediately thought of Star Wars: Masters of Teras Kasi for the PlayStation which was a really fun Star Wars beat 'em up that I played when I was about ten or so. I've no idea if it's actually that good a game, but I remember really enjoying it at the time. And of course, the highlights of that game were playing as Boba Fett and (naturally) Darth Vader.

It doesn't really make any sense, but it'll be bloody fun, I'm sure.

[The Unknown Guru]

Yoda would be a bitch to fight. Your lows are gonna get predicatable sooner or later...

[Laddy]

Yoda will probably lack health, though, so instead of the usual 15 hits, about 7 will finish him off, at least if I was making the game...

[Roto13]

I was wondering about that too, though. I hope it's not like fighting Charade's legs every time. xP

[Vermachtnis]

Yup, Yoda is a lot smaller than Amy xD

[Laddy]

Talim is pretty small too, however, I always find a way to dig into her health. So I guess Yoda will falter in one area that makes him a more fair fight.

[Roto13]

Talim isn't up to your knees. xD

[Laddy]

But she IS one of the smallest characters in the series.

[Aerith's Knight]

i dont know why people think this is so weird


i mean DOA4 had a SPARTAN in it.. nobody commented on that

[MJN SEIFER]

[QUOTE=Raebus;2397942]
most people don't pay attention to the storyline in fighting games anyway.


Sadly...

I do though. I pay attention all stories - if there is one.

Personal reasons...

[Cookie]

This gets me thinking many things.

1. Putting Yoda and Vader on the two different consoles seems pointless. People will obviously want to have them fight against each other, but I suppose it'll balance out sales.

2. They look so out of place graphically.

3. It's either going to be ridiculous or inaccurate playing as them. A lightsaber would easily cut through a sword, more specifically a block or a human. One hit kills? No. It'll probably be the inaccurate choice, with people blocking them with knives at worst, and it'll look stupid.

4. I hope they announce some more interesting outsider characters closer to release. Hardly seems to have received a reaction on the scale that Brawl has received with its roster.

[Old Manus]

This is just plain ridiculous.I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[Mirage]

FORCE LIGHTNING!

[Roto13]

But she IS one of the smallest characters in the series.

Yeah. And she's still not a dwarf. xP

[Lynx]

i was excited when i saw yoda but then he'll only be on the 360 bugs me seeing as i dont really plan on getting a 360.

[Big D]

3. It's either going to be ridiculous or inaccurate playing as them. A lightsaber would easily cut through a sword, more specifically a block or a human. One hit kills? No. It'll probably be the inaccurate choice, with people blocking them with knives at worst, and it'll look stupid.Most of the existing Soul Calibur weapons could easily kill a human in a single strike. A Zornhau from Siegfried's longsword would cleave a person in two, if it was physically possible for a Zweihaender that wide to be made and used. Astaroth and Rock both use weapons so huge they'd destroy anything alive in their path, if swung as hard as they are in the games.

Lightsabers, too, can cause non-lethal damage and do so repeatedly in the films. They are also capable of striking some metals without cutting instantly. Since Soul Calibur IV will take lightsabers out of their own universe and force them into its own, the rules and physical properties that normally govern lightsabers could easily be affected.

Or, alternatively, one could suspend disbelief just because the concept is cool:p

Personally, I don't mind having console-specific characters either. It means there's something unique about each version of the game.

[Roto13]

A wizard did it.

[Laddy]

I think people are talking about the realism in this game in which you play as a seven-foot tall man with his heart beating out of his chest...

[JKTrix]

i mean DOA4 had a SPARTAN in it.. nobody commented on that

People did comment, but DOA is hardly as respected/popular as Soul Calibur is. DOA3 and 4 were only on the Xbox, where there were pretty high chances that if you own an Xbox, you at least tolerated Master Chief. So combining a franchise which isn't super respected with an audience of Master Chief empathizers, there was nothing to complain about.

I hope SEGA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtua_Fighter_%28series%29)doesn't do anything silly.

[Polnareff]

Soul Calibur isn't a mish-mash game. It has a set theme. Smash Bros. doesn't.
The Smash Bros. series had a Nintendo theme in the first two games.
And still does. Both Sonic and Snake have appeared on Nintendo consoles; now it's just expanded to third party characters. There's still tangible connections between the two. There's really no explanation for the appearance of Vader and Yoda in SCIV at all.

I'll say what I said on a different forum.

No one bitched or batted an eyelash when Spider-Man was in THPS2, or when Darth Maul was in THPS3, or at Snake and Sonic being in Brawl, or at Link/Spawn/Heihachi (Spawn was understandable for two reasons I won't get into, though). People thought they were cool extras, and to be honest, I did too.

Snake, who is a lot more mature than Sonic, Mario, Kirby, et al., really has no place in a game like Brawl. He just doesn't fit. But nobody gives Nintendo grief for putting him in there since they're Nintendo and they're always right. And he didn't even originate on a Nintendo system (despite popular belief, he originated on the MSX).

Now, Yoda and Vader, on the other hand, fit Soul Calibur perfectly. The series is full of freaks and weirdoes, and most importantly, freaks and weirdoes with swords. Now, if a mature-rated character who doesn't fit the light-hearted atmosphere of SSBB can be welcomed with open arms, there's no reason why two sword-wielding freaks can't be welcome in a game full of, well, sword-wielding freaks.

Why does the logic that "such-and-such character doesn't belong" work one way but is never allowed to work in the other? That's just illogical. And I'm saying all this as someone who doesn't even give a crud about the Soul Calibur series (give me Street Fighter anyday). :p

[JKTrix]

It's the hardcore SC fans who have the issue here. Of course casual fans (or 'don't give a crud' folks) wouldn't think it's a big deal, and in fact see it as a huge positive. Perhaps part of the issue that the SC fan(boy)s have is that Soul Calibur is very much a Japanese game. Star Wars (despite its influences (http://moongadget.com/origins/kurosawa.html)) is not Japanese.

People did have issues with Link, Spawn and Heihachi in SC2. They got over it though, mostly thanks to Necrid. SC4 needs a Necrid character, then we won't care about Vader/Yoda.

All of the previous examples of 'cameo characters' that Astronite listed have at least some relevance to their games. Activision, publisher of the Tony Hawk series, also makes Spider-Man and Star-Wars games. I don't think Smash Bros needs to be explained.

But anyway, it's the hardcore SC fans that really have the problem (and they'll likely get over it once the game is out and they ignore the characters they don't like). All the casual folks can carry on.

[Mirage]

I'm more than casual, and I don't have a problem with it. If the characters turn out to be a problem, they'll probably get banned from competitions anyway, and if you don't like them, don't use them. Damned fascists :p.

[NeoCracker]

Wait, since when did no one bitch about Snake in SSBB? Did I just imagine it all?

[Roto13]

Evastio is very much real.