Mafia: World War three, sign up and questions thread

[Jessweeee♪]

I am so glad we aren't Canada anymore xD


...though I am so very disappointed that I didn't get to practice my Canadian lingo.

[NeoCracker]

It's never to late for that, eh?

[Miriel]

Waitaminute.

If the mafia get off one more kill tonight, then that's it? Game over? Which means that there are FIVE mafia left in this game, SIX in total?!

[Goldenboko]

Waitaminute.

If the mafia get off one more kill tonight, then that's it? Game over? Which means that there are FIVE mafia left in this game, SIX in total?!


Ridiculous isn't it?

[Jessweeee♪]

I think they were counting on the Cult to get more power and the power townies to not be retarded.

[NeoCracker]

Shouldn't there only be 4 Mafia?

With nine left thats 5 town, and when the numbers are the same Mafia wins. Killing one town will meat that condition.

Or am I off somewhere here?

[Aerith's Knight]

actually.. the game is over when there are as much mafia as townies.

so if they kill off one more townie then there are 4 townies left.. and thus 4 mafia.

[Psychotic]

Waitaminute.

If the mafia get off one more kill tonight, then that's it? Game over? Which means that there are FIVE mafia left in this game, SIX in total?!Oh :skull::skull::skull::skull:. No. qwerty you miscounted! :irked:

Tomorrow will be lylo if they nail the kill tonight. SORRY FOLKS. FALSE ALARM. :lol:

[NeoCracker]

HAH! I beat AK to the punch.

I am so pimp. B)

[Goldenboko]

Waitaminute.

If the mafia get off one more kill tonight, then that's it? Game over? Which means that there are FIVE mafia left in this game, SIX in total?!Oh :skull::skull::skull::skull:. No. qwerty you miscounted! :irked:

Tomorrow will be lylo if they nail the kill tonight. SORRY FOLKS. :lol:
OMFG! YOU GUYS SUCK!


GO DROWN >:0

[Goldenboko]

I think they were counting on the Cult to get more power and the power townies to not be retarded.

More like for the Vigilante not to totally SUCK!

Yeah, I'm looking at you.

[Aerith's Knight]

the vigilante killed more townies then the mafia

[qwertysaur]

I already spoke to you about this Psy, the brothers can win with each other.:tongue:

[Jessweeee♪]

HEY! I killed TWO townies!


...and myself.


The rest was Japan (if he's telling the truth).

Can't you be glad that we killed Russian Prostitute Jojee?

[Psychotic]

I already spoke to you about this Psy, the brothers can win with each other.:tongue:They only win if they're the last two alive!

[Goldenboko]

HEY! I killed TWO townies!


...and myself.


The rest was Japan.

Can't you be glad that we killed Russian Prostitute Jojee?

NO >:0

[Jessweeee♪]

;_;

[qwertysaur]

I already spoke to you about this Psy, the brothers can win with each other.:tongue:They only win if they're the last two alive!
Thats lovers!

[Psychotic]

I already spoke to you about this Psy, the brothers can win with each other.:tongue:They only win if they're the last two alive!
Thats lovers!Then where's the incentive for the cop not to keep his mouth shut the entire game? The role's a tradeoff.

[Goldenboko]

Now they argue how their setup doesn't make sense :rolleyes2

[NeoCracker]

Giggle.

[Jessweeee♪]

Ooh, I wanna set up a game!

Eleven pairs of lovers, one jester.

[Psychotic]

What the hell is it with you people and jesters?

Anyway as it's qwerty's set up he can call how the brothers role works, so yeah, the town will lose if the mafia get off a kill. I still say I am right though. :tongue:

[Goldenboko]

What? This sucks, why even get our hopes up?

[Psychotic]

I didn't do it to deliberately mislead you. I made a mistake.

[Miriel]

A cop that wins if a mafia player wins...

So you guys have done everything you can to smurf the town over, eh? :greenie:

[qwertysaur]

Sorry town, but thats how I had it set up. The brothers can go either way, I'll explain the set up when the game is over.

And you are all obsessed with Jesters!

[Goldenboko]

MODERATORS AREN'T SUPPOSE TO MAKE MISTAKES GAAAAAAAAAAH~

[NeoCracker]

Jesters need to disappear from this game forever.

[oddler]

I made Pill lose. :cry:

[Jessweeee♪]

I just want to be a jester D:

[Del Murder]

This setup was smurfing crazy. Well, I did what I could.

Town can still win if the White Mage and Bus Driver make the right selections. CHOOSE WISELY

[NeoCracker]

Yes, Choose Wisely.

Even though I'm a pessimist, and I have already figured a very horrid town maneuver that I think will be used.

Well, one of two anyway.

Good luck peeps.

[oddler]

Die, town. Die. I want Mafia victory.

[Goldenboko]

This setup was smurfing crazy. Well, I did what I could.

Town can still win if the White Mage and Bus Driver make the right selections. CHOOSE WISELY

Unfortunately there is still a chance the Bus Driver and White Mage might actually just use their powers on Mafians, there are 4-5 of them :eep:

[Psychotic]

To be fair, the town deserve to lose (I am going to make a big angry rant post about that!) and the mafia deserve to win. Right now, though, I want the town to win because I love the underdog.

[NeoCracker]

4. If there were 5 they have already won.

[qwertysaur]

I want people to have fun.:p

[Goldenboko]

4. If there were 5 they have already won.

No your forgetting about I took The Red Pill

[Del Murder]

Unfortunately there is still a chance the Bus Driver and White Mage might actually just use their powers on Mafians, there are 4-5 of them :eep:
The bus driver is supposed to target mafia, giving the possibility that he will drive the mafia who makes the kill to another mafia's house. Or do I not get how bus driver works?

[Psychotic]

They'll have fun bitching at you about the set up. Acceptable? :lol:

EDIT: @qwerty

[oddler]

Yeah, Del. Or they can save people who claim Cop by switching them with people. Gimp Doctor unless you're really lucky. :choc2:

[NeoCracker]

No, you got it right Del. (I think)

The bus driver just switches 2 people, and anything that happens to one happens to the other instead.

[Goldenboko]

Unfortunately there is still a chance the Bus Driver and White Mage might actually just use their powers on Mafians, there are 4-5 of them :eep:
The bus driver is supposed to target mafia, giving the possibility that he will drive the mafia who makes the kill to another mafia's house. Or do I not get how bus driver works?

I meant to just put White Mage xD

But there's also a chance the Bus Driver might pick the right mafian, but just bring him to a different townie's how >.<

[qwertysaur]

If they want to complain, then they can.

[edczxcvbnm]

the town hardcore raped themselves! Talk about fail vig!

[Goldenboko]

If they want to complain, then they can.
I don't complain....








I bitch.

[Del Murder]

Did the Vig have to kill every night?

[I Took the Red Pill]

I made Pill lose. :cry:Hey, don't worry about it! I'm glad our little forum stayed an intimate two-man dialogue :-*

With two creeps watching it.

[edczxcvbnm]

Did the Vig have to kill every night?

apparently they did...who knows what might have happened if they didn't!

[Shiny]

I think the vig died because they killed off too many pro-towners and didn't have to kill every night like the overeager vig. Just a theory.

[NeoCracker]

I believe they said that only applied to day 3, and you have to kill more then the Mafia.

I think it's more likely they just got targeted by Mafia that night.

[Jojee]

YES THANK YOU ^_^ I knew Israel was Cult, and Norway! I thought another person was too though and I guess they're not since the cult is eliminated xDDD

Woot woot, GO MAFIA.

[Psychotic]

yeah guys I thought like ten people were cult and two of them were guess you should have listened to me huh?

[Roto13]

The town deserves to lose for all of it's stupid-ass pointless role claims.

[edczxcvbnm]

YES THANK YOU ^_^ I knew Israel was Cult, and Norway! I thought another person was too though and I guess they're not since the cult is eliminated xDDD

Woot woot, GO MAFIA.

hate >:[

[Jojee]

Nuh uh, I'm 2 for 3! xD

[Psychotic]

remind me again what you said about New Zealand and India in the mafia forum.

[Jojee]

I meant I'm 2 for 3 since I died xD And dude, India was acting SO cultish! That's Demon Dude's fault xD And I didn't want to believe there were like 50 killing factions with NZ xD

[Del Murder]

yeah guys I thought like ten people were cult and two of them were guess you should have listened to me huh?
Exactly.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

We're doomed. :/

[[M] Caprica]

I hope the next day doesn't start soon, as I won't be here tomorrow.

[Caraliz]

ISRAEL WE TRUSTED YOU. ;(

[Shauna]

xD Town FAIL~

[Jessweeee♪]

SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY

[Jessweeee♪]

:crying2:

[NeoCracker]

:crying2:

*Hugs* It'll be okay.

[Aerith's Knight]

This time its actually the moderators holding up the game :mad:

[qwertysaur]

I'd continue the game, but I don't have mod powers.

[edczxcvbnm]

There are plenty of mods online who can open up the thread >.>

[Aerith's Knight]

try the staff like thread.. there should be plenty there

[Del Murder]

Can I open the thread and just make up a result?

[edczxcvbnm]

Yes

[Jojee]

Can't wait to see what happens ;O!

*whaps Jesswee* Don't be sorry you killed me xD Unless you didn't, but I don't see any other way o.o

Edit: EWWW what is this ugly sig o_o

Edit2: Now that I think about it, you SHOULD be sorry that you killed me Jesswee D=<

[Aerith's Knight]

Yeah!!

i think..

[demondude]

The future of the world is looking bleak.

[qwertysaur]

Sorry I vanished, but I had classes to go to.

[Aerith's Knight]

you go end the world now!

[Roto13]

Oh, what an exciting ending this is turning out to be. qwerty has done a great job with this game. :P

[qwertysaur]

Now nobody can complain.:p

[Roto13]

I want Iraq to be pro-mafia because the mafia need to finally win a game. xP

[Aerith's Knight]

agreed

[Del Murder]

Nice avatar.

[Aerith's Knight]

thank you.

[edczxcvbnm]

Now nobody can complain.:p

BULL:skull::skull::skull::skull: I can't complain XD Just wait till after mafia ;D

[Aerith's Knight]

Now nobody can complain.:p

BULL:skull::skull::skull::skull: I can't complain XD Just wait till after mafia ;D

you ruined the game.. and confused the hell out of me because of that.. so no. You cant complain

[edczxcvbnm]

Now nobody can complain.:p

BULL:skull::skull::skull::skull: I can't complain XD Just wait till after mafia ;D

you ruined the game.. and confused the hell out of me because of that.. so no. You cant complain

Have naive you are...you should know that I can ALWAYS complain =D

[Del Murder]

More like do, not can.

[demondude]

It's like his daily regime. xD

[Aerith's Knight]

like breathing for us normal humans xD

[edczxcvbnm]

Exactly XD

[edczxcvbnm]

Now let me complain XD

By letting the town know what is up it let the brother know what is up. For all he knew, there was 3 mafia or 2 mafia left and not 4. Had you not said anything he could have started to vote not knowing what is up with the mafia side. Because of that he could have voted to lynch someone else along with the town and the game could have kept going on with a much different outcome(okay...I admit that this probably was not gonna happen).

Overall, I think you let the town know too much near the end. This is the first game with multiple factions and I am not so sure that revealing the cult is dead until the end of the game is necessary but I see the other argument as well that no one really knows the mafia is dead in a straight up town vs mafia game until mafia is all dead. I don't think the cult being eliminated should have been known. I think it adds a different dynamic to the game about what faction to still go after.

[Shiny]

Hehe, I knew Japan was mafia. I can't believe the town didn't realize that.

[[M] Adama]

How'd you realize? I had such a perfect and air tight allibi. T_T

[Psychotic]

Japan;2434366']How'd you realize? I had such a perfect and air tight allibi. T_TOn Day Three you stated you had no idea how the vigilante role worked. :greenie:

[oddler]

Bah. qwerty thinks entirely too much like me. :choc2:

[Psychotic]

Why did the mafia rape you all so hard? Three reasons.

A) The Cult was not the major force we (and all of you) predicted it to be. If it was, maybe that could've been a way to weaken the mafia. Unfortunately, it wasn't.

B) The town was just plain bad.

Day One:
- Foreplay lynch on Australia/New Zealand. Fair enough. You all decide Germany is the way to go...why? because he switched votes? Uh, guys, why the hell would a scum draw attention to themself like that on day one? Oh it's day one, boo, let's lynch anyone! If that's your attitude, enjoy your loss while the mafia lie low and don't join your bandwagon.
- Canada. Oh hi guys I'm super smart! Serial Killer, Mafia, Cult all target them because of that post. Acting smart on day one (where the idiots rule) is bad enough, but when you're the cop? Madness. Utter madness.

Day Two:
- Most of you guys vote for New Zealand without giving any reason. OK. Well done. That's some good thinking, because I'm sure it helps people when analysing votes when reasons aren't given. And then New Zealand implodes because NeoCracker sucks. Fantastic! So uh...what did you learn from who voted NeoCracker off, guys? Nothing at all? Oh. Great.

Day Three:
Day three was the worst playing in EoFF Mafia history. Yes, even worse than the Disney Mafia, it was that bad.
- Demon Dude, well, what the smurf. Not even going to bother with that. But the way you guys reacted bordered on the retarded. The mafia/cult is a TEAM. Do you really think someone's scum mates would A) Allow them to claim for no reason and B) Claim something that's not even in the game? Seriously? Stop going for the stupid people for the love of god! The mafia led that lynch, and you followed like sheep.

- Your WORST CRIME EVER was speed lynching the guy. You didn't let the likes of Iraq, Mexico and the USA even post because you were so fast. Great thinking, gang! Way to go! How are you supposed to analyse people if you don't even let them post and vote? And here's the kicker: It doesn't even make the game go quicker. The night will always end at the same time - whenever some lousy bastard gets back online. All you did was extend the night time and shorten the day time. Fantastic. :up:

Oh, and maybe if you'd let Iraq post, he could've told you that he investigated Russia the previous night...

And enter the Beloved Princess kill. Game over = Night 3 as far as I'm concerned. From then on you guys picked up, though, and actually discussed things. But you were already doomed to be honest.

Vigilante deserves a special mention.

One mafia killed gains you a day - cancels out the Beloved Princess effect. Regardless, they wasted two days and nights with false kills. And why? Italy? What did Italy do? As far as I know, the UK was killed purely 'cause Roto was going on about it in the discussion thread. Here's a tip: Don't take advice from someone who was lynched on day one. ;) China was suspicious because the people controlling it couldn't get to their computer a lot and had password issues and therefore rarely posted? Come on, guys. Come the hell on. Brazil was kinda dodgy though! Regardless, we made it clear to the vigilantes that they didn't have to kill people, that bad things would happen if they did, and they still went and did it anyway.

On the subject, Japan's vig claim. Japan stated on day three that he had NO IDEA HOW THE VIGILANTE ROLE WORKED! Bit of an obvious giveaway that he was bull:skull::skull::skull::skull:ting if you ask me...

Also, hunting for the cult? Why? You thought there were lots of them? Two things that should've tipped you off. The mafia were smurfing obsessed with finding the cult in the thread. Seriously, look over Japan's posts for example. All the dude ever did was talk about the cult non-stop. If everyone's talking about the cult...do the math, they're not in control, the mafia are. Again, they led, you followed. Also, no cultists were being killed. Doesn't that strike you as odd?

C) The mafia were pretty damn good! Well done guys. :)

[edczxcvbnm]

The town this time was pretty piss poor all around.

Fail role claims
Rouge Vigilante
Couldn't spot stuff like Japan claiming he is something he didn't know

I can't believe you didn't go after the brothers O_o Seriously...it is a kill on the mafia and the brother could betray you eventually(and did). Either way you have to do it eventually to win.

[Aerith's Knight]

I r awsome ^^

first time in the mafia and a win! :cool:

[qwertysaur]

I r awsome ^^

first time in the mafia and a win! :cool:
Sure thing North Korea:p

[Psychotic]

TSoL and B2KX have never been mafia either, y'know. :tongue:

[oddler]

I can smell mafia a mile away. Too bad I was like 1 for 11 recruiting! :lol:

[Aerith's Knight]

I never said they werent awsome as well xD

[Jojee]

So proud of you guys <3! You too <s>Denny ;) (by Denny I mean Denmark!)</s> ah what the hell Rob.

Bad luck for the cult o_o wow.

[Psychotic]

I think some of the ideas behind the balancing should be obvious.

We gave the scum a cult, so we gave the town masons.
We gave the scum a serial killer, so we gave the town a vigilante. (ha!)
We gave the scum a Beloved Princess, so we gave the town a Scrambler.

You get the idea!

[fire_of_avalon]

Hahahaha yeah. I was the worst vigilante ever. You guys better hope I never get that role again.

[edczxcvbnm]

I must say that overall, I have gained great incite into how to play this game better because of how much fail was going around. I got to watch the mafia the whole game(What did you expect?) and could see how they were thinking and how they were acting as things went on.

Overall I think all sides were full of total fail. Mafia just had less fail overall.

One thing I thought about was if the mafia should be allowed to talk during the day in their secret forum? Isn't everyone theoretically suppose to be in the town hall trying to figure out who to lynch? Wouldn't it look suspicious if a group of people kept going to talk to each other?

I know it is just a game but I think of stuff in real world scenarios. That is just some food for thought that mafia shouldn't be allowed to talk during the day. I think something like that could add a new balancing mechanic to the game to make mafia bigger and more powerful since they can't shut up idiots from talking during the day then XD

[Jojee]

That's an interesting idea. But if mafia can't talk during the day you can sure as hell bet they'll use all the night time they have ;) Psy and qwerty were the most impatient mods ever!

(Still I <3 qwerty cos' you are nice etc etc xD)

[qwertysaur]

We did make Miriel seem patient.:p

[Jojee]

Thanks for running the game you two :mog:

[Psychotic]

Oh that reminds me, I have to threaten to kill qwerty.

qwerty, I am going to kill you.

It's tradition!

Anyway that's our two-game stint. *passes on torch* Time for me to get back to never making it to the last day. :cool:

[Miriel]

I didn't really get a chance to play (thanks for timing it JUST IN TIME for midterms!) but I gotta say (and no offense) I don't think this game was balanced at all.

You say you gave Town scrambler to help the town, but I think that just made things even more confusing for town. Beloved Princess effed up the town too, as did Vigilante. Not only that but, you gave town insane cop (which benefits the mafia until it's discovered that the cop is insane - and who knows how long that'll take) and you gave us a cop who had a different win condition than the rest of the town. Plus, there was no detective role that would help town figure out who cult members were. Also, you gave town Masons, but gimped them with the fact that they could recruit scum and never know about it. The fundamental benefit to the mason group is having the knowledge that the people within the mason group are innocent. Oh. And there was also the SK. AND the fact that some of the anti-town players had immunities to night kill. Oh and you gave Mafia the ability to recruit. And tossed in power roles (prostitute, godfather) to boot. I understand the urge to root for Mafia/Cult/SK to win... but dang.


In the end, I do really think that town played badly, and I think town lost exactly cause of that. The mafia didn't do anything special. They just let the town bury themselves. And that may be a good strategy, but it certainly isn't an interesting one. But as bad as town played it, I do think that the odds were SEVERELY against them. Like it wasn't even close, the balance of powers in this game.

I think that South Africa (and yeah, I'm biased here) was one of the few players who took the time to analyze things and engage in interesting arguments with other players and tried to promote discussion and activity.

[Del Murder]

I can't believe you didn't go after the brothers O_o Seriously...it is a kill on the mafia and the brother could betray you eventually(and did). Either way you have to do it eventually to win.
I did not know the brother could betray until it was too late. I think it is pretty stupid that a person can choose who to allign themselves with. that is my biggest gripe with this game.

The recruiting was unfair for the masons. If the cult or mafia targets the wrong person what happens? Nothing, right? Yet if the masons target scum they get to bring in scum. So I don't think that balanced it.

All in all I say it was pretty fun. I think the town is definitely the underdogs in this setup. That doesn't mean to say that they had a fair chance. But in mafia a 'balanced' setup doesn't mean the mafia has just as good a shot at winning as the town. Town is supposed to win 70-80% of the time. That's just the nature of the game.

I think the 'everyone has a role' setup was better. Without the role revelations it would have been a pretty even game.

However, I'm not bitter. I had fun and that's all that matters. Congrats to mafia for winning.

In the end we (Miriel and I) had Spain, NK, and SK pegged. The order would have been: Spain, SK, and by then I really think the remaining town would have been able to find Japan. So had Brother Cop sided with town I think we would have won.

One thing that did suck was that I felt like I was the only one playing the game in the final days. With more participation from my fellow townies I think we would have had a better chance.

And DD just sucks at this game. :D

[Miriel]

Oh and FYI, almost *immediately* after we recruited Israel, we knew something was fishy. Which is why Del Murder and I kept most of our communications to ourselves after that point, only posting in the mason forum trying to generate misinformation to see if Israel would take the bait. :greenie:

Turns out we were wrong about the Israel/Spain connection, but totally right that Israel wasn't there to help us and that Spain was scum.

[Jojee]

There really wasn't a lot of discussion going on in that game at all, but with so many night killer people, I don't blame pretty much everyone for trying to lie low regardless of what they were. I should have done that more :p

I liked the game but I'm biased and I agree the mafia were really strong that game xD The cult had the potential to be too, but they were just unlucky.

Edit: Mafia and cult both got 3 choices per night/recruitment (excluding first night for cult I guess) on who to recruit, so that's why the mafia were so sure that the cult had a lot more people than it did.

[Psychotic]

You say you gave Town scrambler to help the town, but I think that just made things even more confusing for town. I disagree.
Beloved Princess effed up the town too, as did Vigilante.I agree.
Not only that but, you gave town insane cop (which benefits the mafia until it's discovered that the cop is insane - and who knows how long that'll take)Levian discovered he was the Insane Cop before he died, so y'know. Insane is a real cop with a slight weakness, which balances out the fact that there were two cops.
Plus, there was no detective role that would help town figure out who cult members were. Haha, I wanted an Inquisitor (or Psychologist as you guys called it), qwerty disagreed. I do think that if we'd had one you guys would've focused more on the mafia, but lord knows the cult took enough of a pasting in this game anyway.
Also, you gave town Masons, but gimped them with the fact that they could recruit scum and never know about it. The fundamental benefit to the mason group is having the knowledge that the people within the mason group are innocent.You didn't have to recruit anybody though. Besides, yould've just waited for a proven townie claim and then recruited them.
And there was also the SK.White Mage.
Oh and you gave Mafia the ability to recruit. And tossed in power roles (prostitute, godfather) to boot. Four mafia has never been enough to win, so we tried five. Seems we were right about that. On consideration though, I think there should've been no recruitment and we should've given them five from the start.
I think that South Africa (and yeah, I'm biased here) was one of the few players who took the time to analyze things and engage in interesting arguments with other players and tried to promote discussion and activity.Yes. We need more of you.

[Del Murder]

This was by far the craziest setup yet. So if that was your aim, good job. :up:

However, if the idea now is to top the last person in terms of zany setups, I don't think I'm going to play any more. (although part of me wants to come up with some insane clusterfuck setup and force P&Q to play it)

[Jojee]

Oh yeah, I want to know how Levy figured out he was insane in the first day. xD

[Del Murder]

Levian discovered he was the Insane Cop before he died, so y'know. Insane is a real cop with a slight weakness, which balances out the fact that there were two cops.
In a game with this many people, you need more than two investigative roles. And there weren't really two cops, since one could win with the mafia. Again, that was my biggest gripe.

[edczxcvbnm]

i don't know why you wouldn't think a brother could betray. brothers need to both live and if they are on opposite sides then wouldn't they need to betray some group so they can win?

[qwertysaur]

Pre Scramble

Mafia Godfather
Japan - Bahamut2000X

Prostitute
Spain - Summoner of Leviathan

Brother Goon
North Korea - Aerith's Knight

Recruiting Goon
Russia - Jojee

Cult leader
Norway - Oddler

Night Kill Immune Serial Killer
New Zealand - NeoCracker

Brother Cop
Iraq - Denmark

Insane Cop
Canada - Lekana/Levian

White Mage
Pakistan - Dolentren

Morally Conscious Vig
South Korea - foa

Mason
South Africa - Del/Miriel

Recruiting Mason
Brazil - feel the illinoise!

Scrambler
United Kingdom - *~*Celes*~*

Bus Driver
Australia - leader of mortals

Beloved Princess
India - Demon Dude

Vanilla Town
Iran - Jesweeeee/DBM
Germany - Roto13
China - Sergent Hartman
Mexico - Raven Nox
USA - Sir Lancelot
Italy - Goldenboko
Israel - Red Pill
France - Jess

Post Scramble

Masons just switched
Japan - Recruiter
Spain - Godfather
Russia - Roleblocker
Pakistan - vanilla town
South Korea - vanilla town (Loses kill ratio)
Australia - white mage
India - vanilla town
Iran - Vig
Mexico - vanilla town
China - beloved princess
USA- Bus driver

[Miriel]

Edit: Mafia and cult both got 3 choices per night/recruitment (excluding first night for cult I guess) on who to recruit, so that's why the mafia were so sure that the cult had a lot more people than it did.

WHAT?! Are you serious? Damn... you guys really wanted town to lose.

[Psychotic]

In a game with this many people, you need more than two investigative roles. And there weren't really two cops, since one could win with the mafia. Again, that was my biggest gripe.When I okayed the set up, I didn't know he could win with the mafia.

Anyway I don't know if qwerty has anything he wants to say about his set up. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. The only things I really added were the Insane Cop and the NK Immune Serial Killer. (which I think is the bare minimum for all Serial Killers in the future)

EDIT: And I added Beloved Princess too! :jess:

[Jojee]

Yeah, when the mafia recruited we tried to recruit South Africa first, then Norway, then South Korea. :3

That's also one of the reasons why we thought SA and Norway had a high possibility of being scum.

[Psychotic]

Yup, the mafia found out dirt on SA and Norway, so that's why I think we mde a mistake with not giving them 5 from the start. I'll hold my hands up and admit that one.

I definitely think cult should've been allowed 3 choices, though. And from the way it turned out, I don't see that anyone can disagree.

[Jojee]

They tried to recruit all mafia one night XD That's hilarious.

[Dolentrean]

Well at least I lived! Even though I lost v.v

I personally liked the set up, sure it fucked up the town, but for my second mafia game at least it stayed interesting. The only thing I would have changed is I think there shouldn't have been a beloved princess.

Fun set up.

[qwertysaur]

I made the scrambler to mess with everyone.

With the brothers, I made them a double edged sword for both the town and the mafia. If the mafia was close to losing, then North Korea would get the option to betray as well. Also, the Mafia would know there was a cop that they could not kill without losing one of their own, if AK actually read his PM.

White mage was to make up for two killers at once.

Prostitute was to help the mafia, and the recruiter was to keep the town in the dark about who is scum.

The bus driver was to mess with the mafia and the cult, as they could target/ kill themselves.

I really expected the cult to be much more powerful though. They were so unlucky though.

All roles and the scramble were from Random.org.

And Psy, I did say that about the brothers.

[Psychotic]

And Psy, I did say that about the brothers.When you said they could win with each other, I thought you meant they would would win if they were the last two standing. So yeah I just misconstrued and should've asked. Alas!

[NeoCracker]

Yeah, I'm with the lot that says this game had a major anti-town feel.

Especially since the Bus Driver can actually get town killed with their ability if they mess up, correct?

But yes, the single biggest problem was the Mafia recruit. If that had been dropped, I don't think there would have been nearly the balance problem in this game. :P

Edit: And I also agree with the whole "No Mafia Discussion during the Day" thing.

I mean 1 smart Mafia can basically control the others the whole time with how it is. There really isn't a Weakest link in the Mafia group.

However if everyones forced to swim alone for a time, THAT should be interesting.

Same applies to the MAsons for all games with them. ANd the Masons recruiting Scum was kinda dumb too.

[Psychotic]

Especially since the Bus Driver can actually get town killed with their ability if they mess up, correct?Only if the vigilante was targetting scum. And let's not go into how likely that is...

[NeoCracker]

I love how some of the Mafia started to think I wasn't an SK either too.

That brings it up to what, 4, 5 people I had thinking I may not have been an SK?

[edczxcvbnm]

Yeah. I like my idea for no mafia day talking and I am working on a game type to use that in so don't steal it please ;_;

[qwertysaur]

Especially since the Bus Driver can actually get town killed with their ability if they mess up, correct?Only if the vigilante was targetting scum. And let's not go into how likely that is...
That was the idea behind the morally conscious Vig. To stop the Vig from destroying the town. But that didn't really work out.

[edczxcvbnm]

A better variation of the moral vig would be

First Innocent kill = you feel really bad and can't vote the next day
Second Innocent kill = 1) You feel bad and give up the gun and become a normal townie and you don't vote for 2 days

or

2) You off yourself

[Psychotic]

Yeah vigilante is basically like giving the town another lynch, with the voting made up of only town members (one, admitedly) and no mafia, so that's why it's supposed to be a town power role. If you've got a good player as the vig, who knew when to shoot and when not to shoot, rather than someone who just wants to kill things, it would be a positive addition to the town.

It just will never work at EoFF.

[edczxcvbnm]

Undelete the other mafia thread now plox

[Jessweeee♪]

I'M THE WORST EVER I'M SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY I KILLED THE TOWN :kaocry2:


I say we leave Iran alone for now... I only skimmed the thread but they might be Jesswee. I <3 Jesswee, we should keep her xD And even if it's not her, they don't seem like too big of a threat.

;_;

[Jojee]

YEAH I WAS WRONG WE SHOULD HAVE KILLED YOU :(

[Jessweeee♪]

No one ever thinks I'm a threat ;_;


'cept that time I was a cop, but gawd, was I a lousy cop D:

[Dolentrean]

Vigs should not kill on the first night. Its just a bad idea people!

[Goldenboko]

I think that the town did deserve to loss this one. I mean come on, reviewing acts by DD, and the vigilante(s). I think what really sank the town, was right when they where kinda getting on track, bang, beloved princess dead.

[Jessweeee♪]

I SAID I WAS SORRY CAN WE ALL STFU NOW :crying:

[Dolentrean]

NEVER! I am not done judging yet!

[NeoCracker]

Leave the poor girl alone.

She's to cute to be ridiculed so.

[Dolentrean]

And with that comment I deem 94% of guys on this website rediculiously lonely souls.

[Goldenboko]

And with that comment I deem 94% of guys on this website rediculiously lonely souls.

How does NeoCracker count for 94% of the guys on this website?

[NeoCracker]

Because I AM 94% of the guys on this website.

[Psychotic]

I just want to ban NeoCracker. It's not like he breaks the rules, but just being him has got to be illegal in some way. There must be laws against the likes of him, surely.

[NeoCracker]

You flatter me psy.

[~*~Celes~*~]

You flatter me psy.:banme

[NeoCracker]

You flatter me psy.:banme

Oh your just mad because I almost convinced you I was actually telling the truth by pushing the "YOu should feel sorry for me cause I'm a newb" card. :P

[qwertysaur]

I think overall my goal for this game was fulfilled though. For people to have fun.:p

EDIT: Please empty out your PM boxes on your mafia accounts. That will make setting up the next game a lot easier for DD and Lekana.

[oddler]

Best goal ever, man. Bump the hataz.

Edit: Wow, I just logged back into Norway and noticed that none of the accounts were being banned. :Oo:

[Roto13]

I don't remember the password to my account and I can't be assed to find it.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

All Deleted. :D

[Psychotic]

Edit: Wow, I just logged back into Norway and noticed that none of the accounts were being banned. :Oo:I don't like banning accounts 'cause then you can't see the avatars anymore, and it makes reading over previous days more annoying.

Thankfully all of you stopped posting from your accounts after you died. Unlike the jerks who were Edgar last time. (I'll ban your real accounts if you try that this time, you two ;))

[Del Murder]

If DD and Lekana need help with their setup, I can lend a hand as I do not plan to play. I have a feeling they will just try to be crazier and top this one.

So ya'll are on your own to come up with good discussion.

P&Q, thanks for running this one. It was fun. :)

[Psychotic]

On the subject of DD, Lekana and you, I would like to suggest that you give the Bahamut/Kofi Annan mod account the ability to close its own threads. Just so they don't have to go bother a mod every time.

[Del Murder]

I don't like banning accounts 'cause then you can't see the avatars anymore, and it makes reading over previous days more annoying.

Actually I find it easier because then you can easily tell who is in the game and who's posts need to be looked at more carefully.

I'll just RM the mod account.

[Freya]

Don't worry about it Del, I've had the setup done since day 2 ;). We basically just need a theme and I need to balance a few things. Also I already have the basic roles descriptions done but again we need a theme so I can gear them around said theme. I'm leaning toward one I think will be quite entertaining.

All in all, were close to being ready. And yes it will be different from all the others but not crazy like Qwerty and Psys first one. THERE ARE VANILLA TOWNIES fyi. Also for you children's information we plan on starting possibly the 15th for that's when my spring break starts and i'll have a weeks time to be on for the game. Then again, it may start sooner but we wanted to give you guys a break from this recent one of mafia victory. Thought it might be too much hurt to your pride.

Again, I appreciate the offer Del but I have it under control so far. I mean really, I've been partners in these games with two people who have run it now. I may still come to you if I need a bit more help.

ALSO why you no play Del?

[Del Murder]

I'm kind of burnt out from mafia, including the creative process. By help I meant to rename accounts, set up forums, etc. Seeing as this is the first mafia game without staff involvement.

[Jessweeee♪]

I'm going to keep playing until I do it right >.<

[Freya]

Oie than I greatly appreciate that help :D!

[Miriel]

Also, I'd just like to say despite all the CRAZINESS, Psycho+Qwerty you guys did a great job. It was pretty entertaining, even when some parts of it were mind-smurfs. :p It's no easy thing running the mafia games, that's for sure.

I'm excited to see what other hosts have in mind, but also a little scared.

One thing I'd like to recommend is that if you guys want to know if your set up is balanced, I suggest you head on over to the Mafia Scum (http://mafiascum.net/forum/index.php) forum and see if you can get your set up reviewed.

[Del Murder]

It's ok Jessw, Vig is a hard role to play right. Calling it a 'pro-town' role is a bit of a stretch, especially since people don't seem to realize that you don't have to kill every night.

[Freya]

Also, I'd just like to say despite all the CRAZINESS, Psycho+Qwerty you guys did a great job. It was pretty entertaining, even when some parts of it were mind-smurfs. :p It's no easy thing running the mafia games, that's for sure.

I'm excited to see what other hosts have in mind, but also a little scared.

One thing I'd like to recommend is that if you guys want to know if your set up is balanced, I suggest you head on over to the Mafia Scum (http://mafiascum.net/forum/index.php) forum and see if you can get your set up reviewed.

I might just do that thanks Miriel. :) I think it's pretty balanced but most things come from that site in general so it wouldn't hurt.

[fire_of_avalon]

Jessweee, don't worry a thing about it. I think I probably screwed you over from the get-go anyway. xD

[Del Murder]

Question about brothers: Could the brother goon have turned on his comrades and outed the mafia day 1, and still won?

[Freya]

Stupid mafia scum site not letting me register >:/.

[Jojee]

If it involves revealing your setup publically, you probably shouldn't, seeing as how me and probably some other people are tempted to check the site now just to see what it is :p

[Del Murder]

You don't reveal it publicly, you post requesting a review and someone (usually a moderator) gets back to you via PM.

[Aerith's Knight]

long enough

[demondude]

Theme thread should be coming up soon.
And Mafia VI is heading your way mid march!

[Levian]

A mafia victory, that's EoFF history in writing right there.

For what it's worth I think all factions (except Serial Killer, obviously) initially had a good chance at winning and that the deciding factors were mainly luck and skill. Perhaps one or the other had a slight slight better chance at winning than the other, but it's hard to make it exactly equal when there are so many different factors as there was in both this game and the last game.

With that said I think perhaps there's been too many factors these last two games, obviously more in the one before this seeing as there were no regular citizens (I refuse to call them vanilla). Maybe that's just me, I guess I'm more into the classic style of Mafia. I, like Del Murder, hope future hosts won't try to top eachother. ;) It's fun to watch those games as a moderator, yeah, and it's fun to be a mafia in those games since you'll get a bigger picture of the setup than a regular citizen who's all on his own twiddling his thumbs wondering who to lynch. Recruitments and factions and masons and yay.

Dunno if 15th of March is too soon. Wouldn't want everyone to be fed up with Mafia, although that may very well be unavoidable. :D 6 mafia games since september woot. The date is entirely up to DD and Lekana though, and I have a break then too so I'd definitely join. I didn't get to play much this time anyway.

I do think there was too little discussion this time early on. and I hope everyone is super active next time so the baddies will have a harder time hiding. Don't be a misleading townie!

[NeoCracker]

But Misleading townies are the best kind, I mean look at DD.

It wouldn't be a super Mafia Game without him.

[Levian]

No, it's be a super Townie Game ;D

But speaking of bombs, what does this mean:

"Spain (loses bomb status, originally Jojee) -> Germany (Roto13)"

It's taken from the list of country shifts from the first game that got ruined by ed and the second game. (Post 460 in the other thread) Does that mean there was a bomb in the first game? Because I could've sworn that the first post only said that there were nexuses or jesters when I first read it. Not initially mentioning bombs.

[Jojee]

I was a bomb in the first game because they added me in later and I didn't wanna be a regular townie cos' that wasn't random at all, so Psy made me a bomb :p Then Psy asked if I wanted to replace ed, and I was like yes, so they eliminated the bomb thing. xD

How did you find out you were insane?

[Freya]

Levy is super smart that's how!

[Levian]

Oh, I didn't know.

I did tell Psy that I was pretty sure I was a insane cop and that there was a Bus Driver in the game on Night 1, but the reason I said that was because I had misread the Bus Driver role. I thought the actions got swapped, not the targets. The only logical explanation to our investigation then would be that we were either insane or paranoid and that Australia was a doctor or some other role that would target themselves.

and since there actually was a bomb in the first game I'll cut DD some slack. ;)

[Bahamut2000X]

Japan;2434366']How'd you realize? I had such a perfect and air tight allibi. T_TOn Day Three you stated you had no idea how the vigilante role worked. :greenie:

Well if someone had BOTHERED to follow up on that I had a defense all ready. Which would have simply been that I was trying to play the dumb card on it's rules to see if we couldn't find out who would post back with the rules about it and maybe determine who had gotten my role and (trying to play the role of a townie and not knowing who's who) determine who had to have been my previous role. Regardless I think it worked in getting the new vig to not kill me at the very least. Besides after Iran died I don't see anyone could know I was lying with out being a cop or in the mafia with such a weird Vig variation. >.>


Yup, the mafia found out dirt on SA and Norway, so that's why I think we mde a mistake with not giving them 5 from the start.

Ya we didn't make good use of it though, we just assumed Norway was a power role that couldn't be recruited and that South Africa was a cult. XD Even if we had dirt on them, all we knew was they couldn't be recruited and with the vague rules we had of recruiting that could of meant they were one of the power roles that couldn't be recruited or were cult. Really that knowledge just bumped them up on our hit list.

Over all though fun game. The set up could of been tweaked a bit, but it wasn't god awful, just no one did what they should of done. The scrambler I hated with a passion....if you got a power role that you loved then you just lost it, it was only a good thing for the vanilla townies who suddenly got a role. I loved my godfather role. T_T

But on a final note....DD what the hell man? What the hell? 2 failed role claims AND you were a townie trying to get my lynched with no evidence since you weren't the cop. I think I cursed your name a hundred times on the mafia forum cause of that. I hope you felt chills every time I did. :tongue:

[Jojee]

Oh, I didn't know.

I did tell Psy that I was pretty sure I was a insane cop and that there was a Bus Driver in the game on Night 1, but the reason I said that was because I had misread the Bus Driver role. I thought the actions got swapped, not the targets. The only logical explanation to our investigation then would be that we were either insane or paranoid and that Australia was a doctor or some other role that would target themselves.

and since there actually was a bomb in the first game I'll cut DD some slack. ;)

What? But you investigated South Africa and it came out guilty. How does that imply there's a bus driver role or that you're insane or anything?

OH unless you were actually investigating Australia and you already thought that Australia was innocent before you investigated him?

[Levian]

We investigated South Africa and got this result:

Australia is guilty

Couldn't be anything other than a Bus Driver.

[Jessweeee♪]

I am the damned cop.

[Jojee]

xD He just keeps claiming cop...

[qwertysaur]

My favorite was when he claimed the godfather as Koshiatar.

[NeoCracker]

We should make a role just for DD that makes it so he has to Roleclaim a different role on every even numbered day.

Edit: Id addition, for that day or night, he gets that power. He may only claim roles that are in that Mafia Roles thing posted at the beginning though.

[qwertysaur]

We should make a role just for DD that makes it so he has to Roleclaim a different role on every even numbered day.
I suggested something similar to that to Psy. It would be too easy for him though.:p

[NeoCracker]

Just go check my edit on that now. ;)

[demondude]

I will be the cop one day damnit! >:(

[qwertysaur]

That is an amazing role:p

[NeoCracker]

Especially for DD.

Imagine, if he doesnt get lynched for doing it day 2, just claim jester day 4 and no one will believe him. :P

[demondude]

I'm busting my ass writing role assignments and descriptions with Lekana, the least I need is you all making fun of my blatant mafia awesomeness.

[NeoCracker]

But then what do we do until next Mafia game?

[demondude]

Fair enough.

[NeoCracker]

Well now I can't think of a new way to bash you.

NOW what do I do?

[demondude]

You can laugh at the fact that I was mafia once, and that was the Disney one where the mafia failed abysmally?

[Jessweeee♪]

Maybe I'll be a lousy cop again xD

[Levian]

No, I want to be the lousy cop. :mad2:

[NeoCracker]

I wanna be serial killer again. :(

[Jojee]

I want to be jester xD

[Psychotic]

How the hell could a jester lose at EoFF? Oh wait. Sergeant Hartman managed it. :lol:
One thing I'd like to recommend is that if you guys want to know if your set up is balanced, I suggest you head on over to the Mafia Scum (http://mafiascum.net/forum/index.php) forum and see if you can get your set up reviewed.I spent a lot of time lurking at that forum and reading their ideas on things. I didn't try for a review though simply 'cause it would've taken ages for someone to want to review a 23 set up from a nub who has only just made their first post. But yeah, I'd recommend reading the things they say though.

Also I'd like a much smaller mafia game here sometime in the RP forum. Someone mod it!

[Bahamut2000X]

Also I'd like a much smaller mafia game here sometime in the RP forum. Someone mod it!

Alright, sudden death match, a bomb, a jester, and a godfather...GO!

[Levian]

Would be fun with a game of

1 Mafia
1 Cop
1 Naive Cop
1 Insane Cop
1 Paranoid Cop

Town can choose not to lynch and everybody knows all roles in play.

[NeoCracker]

Doesn't matter what the setup is, me and Lev are going to kick your butts.

[Levian]

Cracka and I are teaming up next game, so whoever acts the most schizo will be us.

[Psychotic]

Alright, sudden death match, a bomb, a jester, and a godfather...GO!Unless Jester hammers Bomb on day one, nobody wins.

EDIT: Oh wait I guess they could both hammer the godfather on Day One. But that's not really likely.

[Bahamut2000X]

Cracka and I are teaming up next game, so whoever acts the most schizo will be us.

Well duh, because Demon Dude won't be playing. It's hardly schizo without DD involved. :(

[NeoCracker]

What if the Jester gets the other 2 to vote for him day 1 though?

[Jessweeee♪]

How the hell could a jester lose at EoFF? Oh wait. Sergeant Hartman managed it. :lol:

Jester is like the easiest and funnest role evar. I want to be a jester! I can say whatever I want ; ;

[Psychotic]

What if the Jester gets the other 2 to vote for him day 1 though?Jester victory is the worst outcome ever.

[Jessweeee♪]

I think any game where the Jester wins could be played until second place .-.

Makes everything fun!

[Sir Lancealot]

I didn't die, but last day I died twice(me being Australia).

[Freya]

Also I'd like a much smaller mafia game here sometime in the RP forum. Someone mod it!

Yeah I agree. Someone mod it. GO GO GO!

[qwertysaur]

Also I'd like a much smaller mafia game here sometime in the RP forum. Someone mod it!

Yeah I agree. Someone mod it. GO GO GO!
Done! (http://forums.eyesonff.com/role-playing-threads/115108-c9-mafia-i.html#post2435131)

[Psychotic]

Oh qwerty you hero. I am so down for that.

[leader of mortals]

I didn't die, but last day I died twice(me being Australia).

umm I was australia.... what are you trying to do...

[Dolentrean]

Bad Roleclaim

##Vote: Sir Lancealot

To many bum roleclaims :jess:

[Psychotic]

Look at Lance's location, sillies.

[smittenkitten]

I really wish I could play, but I haven't go anytime at the moment. I loved it the last time though, so hopefully I'll play soon! :D

[[M] Elize]

Apparently I can still post with this? :O

So I take it that Del and Miriel figured out why I was on your case? It was either you or Norway. I did not think that there was a town role 9except for cop or vig) that we could not recruit. That is why I wanted to get people to go after you. Though it backfired and somehow I managed to escape getting lynched...twice...O-o;;; Yay for Mafia!

[Roto13]

I want the next game to start now.

[Aerith's Knight]

Im going as ???? next time, or people will lynch me out of principle :p

[Jessweeee♪]

I'll never bother registering in secret, it's always totally obvious who I am xD

[~*~Celes~*~]

I'm thinking about signing up as ???? too but I doubt anyone will have trouble finding me out :(

[Psychotic]

I'm signing up publically. Everyone would know I'd be playing anyway. If the mafia want to hunt me down and kill me, good luck. People who get whacked on night one always end up replacing back in anyway. :bigsmile:

[Freya]

I'm signing up publically. Everyone would know I'd be playing anyway. If the mafia want to hunt me down and kill me, good luck. People who get whacked on night one always end up replacing back in anyway. :bigsmile:

Whoa, same thing for me ^_^

[Dolentrean]

I could sign up privately, I doubt I am popular enough for people to recognize me as myself XD

[Levian]

I'm signing up publically. Everyone would know I'd be playing anyway. If the mafia want to hunt me down and kill me, good luck. People who get whacked on night one always end up replacing back in anyway. :bigsmile:

Unless they are bloody copz..

[demondude]

I want the next game to start now.

Be patient. :(

[Jojee]

The c9 game is fun, we should do more of those :p But most people are being slow at posting >:[ *prods you all in arse*

[Aerith's Knight]

hey i do not appriciate that!

[Dolentrean]

Or... do you?

[Aerith's Knight]

:shifty:

..

no, defeniatly not

[Dolentrean]

or...
...
Do you?

[Aerith's Knight]

*smacks Dolentrean with arse pole*

no!

[Jojee]

Why do you have an arse pole? ;OO

[Aerith's Knight]

it was yours.. the one you used to prod people in the arse with.. -_-'

[Jojee]

I don't use a <i>pole</i>... unless by pole you mean some other innuendo :jokey:

[Jessweeee♪]

I find it suspicious that AK assumed it was a pole.

##Vote: Aerith's Knight

[Aerith's Knight]

;__;

[Psychotic]

Mafia's over, kids. Go home!