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rubah
03-29-2008, 05:14 PM
<div style ="min-height: 74px; border: solid 2px black; background: #442354; width: 450px; padding: 2px; color: Rose;" ><div style ="float: left; padding: 3px;"><img src="http://www.eyesonff.com/ff2/images/2-maria-f.gif"/></div> <quote>Well, hello fora-goers to another month of Eyes On Plays! The FF-2 team realizes that many of you may not be acquainted with us, so we decided to do this month's introduction post!.

We are posting this a little early just so that people have time to see it in the middle of various other hi-jinx going on. You still start playing on April 1st, but really it's close enough now that if you don't read this post thoroughly and start early, we won't dock you <del>anything</del> much ;).

My name is Maria, and the rest of my friends will introduce you to this month's challenges and plays!</div>

<div style ="min-height: 74px; border: solid 2px black; background: #111344; width: 450px; padding: 2px; color: Rose;" ><div style ="float: right; padding: 3px;"><img src="http://www.eyesonff.com/ff2/images/2-lionheart-f.gif"/></div> <quote>I hope being your brother I'm more than just a . . . "friend".</quote>
<p>Here are some tasks you may find "challenging" or merely "daunting" as the case may be~<br/>
<hr/>
Beat the game!

Full Bestiary (DoS only)
<br/>Maxxxx Stats[HP/MP] (please specify if you are going to take advantage of the select/cancel bug)
<br/>Maxed Weapons
<br/>Maxed Magic
<br/>Both of the above
<br/>No Magic
<br/>No items (barring key-items and spellbooks)
<br/>Single class party
<quote>"Classes" in ff2:
Paladin: Swords user with low level white magic (defined for this to be any white magic spell excluding ultima and holy and not levelled up past level 6)

White Mage: Back row white magic user. (Can equip any weapon, but can't be taken out of the back row, so you might as well not equip anything but a bow xD)

Black Mage: Back row black magic user. (Can equip any weapon, but can't be taken out of the back row, so you might as well not equip anything but a bow xD)

Red Mage: Low level black and white magic user, equips swords, bows, knives, and canes)

Monk: No weapons user (no shields either), low level white magic (no spells above level 5)

Berserker: dual axes at all times, no magic, can't equip items</quote>
<br/>Last character slot only (with three characters, this is Guy)
<br/>Quickest run through
<br/>Quirkiest run through
<br/>Best character names
<br/>Starting stats/basic equipment (whatever is found in the first town. You can go Knuckles for your weapon.)
</p></div>
<div style ="min-height: 74px; border: solid 2px black; background: #3d3600; width: 450px; padding: 2px; color: #ffffdd;" ><div style ="float: left; padding: 3px;"><img src="http://www.eyesonff.com/ff2/images/2-guy-f.gif"/></div> <quote>Um, I don't know if he wanted to be introduced, but that was Lionheart just then. . I call him Lionhe for short. . My name is Guy! I really love animals, and if you have any questions at all about the animals in this game, I would do my best to answer them!

Oh sorry, I'm not supposed to talk about that I guess. . What I will talk about then is how long you have to play and how you're expected to behave while playing!

The Eyes On Forum Staff would like to remind all participants that April 30th is the last day to submit screenshots of your completed game. April 1st is the first day to submit screenshots for your starting lineup (This isn't a fool!). They like to make you guys play these on short months to make sure you get your hineys in gear and so they don't have to worry about these events for an extra day.

They would like to ask that you don't immediately just jump to cheating. We don't mind if you go after some of these goals by using certain well-known bugs in this game as long as you tell us before hand, but you can't expect to be as well rewarded. Just be honest! Also if you use an emulator and run it at turbo speed, don't take advantage of that to try and be the first to the finish.

Also, remember that our fora are a great place to get information about games! Ask here before you go to gamefaqs, or even look at the frontsite! (Or DJZen's site :))

Now Frioniel has something he wants to say as well, and you probably should listen. (Him I call Frioni)</quote></div>

<div style ="min-height: 74px; border: solid 2px black; background: #502200; width: 450px; padding: 2px; color: #FFEEEE;" ><div style ="float: right; padding: 3px;"><img src="http://www.eyesonff.com/ff2/images/2-frionel-f.gif"/></div> <quote><p>Alright fellows, here's what you need to remember if you remember nothing else:
<ol><li>When you begin the game, please post a digital camera picture or a screenshot in this thread of your game that has your party clearly visible on the screen. You MUST do this to be eligible for participation in the Challenges.</li>
<li>You must also post a picture from the END of the game in this thread with your same party being displayed.</li>
<li>You CAN play the game on an emulator, and you CAN give us a screenshot of that. Just recall that Eyes on Final Fantasy does not condone the discussion of ROMs on its message boards. </li>
<li>There is no fourth rule.</li>
<li>Different challenges will be higher rated on different platforms because of inherent difficulty, a detailed chart will be posted later.</li></ol><small><small><small style ="color: #402200;">I swear I don't have a crush on Maria. . .</small></small></small></p></quote></div>

Captain Maxx Power
03-29-2008, 05:44 PM
Joy be unconfined, I have an excuse to play my favourite Final Fantasy! :cool:

SwordFighter_Dago
03-29-2008, 06:13 PM
YES!!, I'm very excited to play this game. However, I'm left with a few questions.

1. Will the challenges be divided under Gold/Silver stars like in EoP-FF1?
2. Does maxed weapons and magic also mean max in every weapon and spell type?
3. How can you get all stats maxed when all play styles reduce at least one stat?

I clearly haven't played FF2 so some questions may sound dumb. BTW, I want to go for an emulated NES run with a translation patch (Neo Demiforce v1.1 to be exact). Is that allowed?

rubah
03-29-2008, 06:17 PM
Max stats refers to HP and MP, sorry!

Yes there will be silver/gold distinctions but they need to be decided first.
we'll also work out what max weapons/magic means. Probably it'll be like 1/4 of both to level 16 or something not ridiculous.

You can use a rom if you want; most people did/probably will

Sergeant Hartman
03-29-2008, 07:57 PM
Finally, I bought Origins to play FF1, now FF2 has been sitting there for a while, can't wait to start playing it :hat:

Levian
03-29-2008, 08:26 PM
Damn, nice introduction, rubah weapon. ;)

I may not have time to finish the game, but I'll at least start playing it.

Leeza
03-29-2008, 09:42 PM
I've never played FF2 before so I will definitely be playing this now. I hope I'll be able to finish it in time. :cat:

Bahamut2000X
03-29-2008, 09:48 PM
Been itching to try this NES again. Though not looking forward to the final dungeon again in the NES version.

theundeadhero
03-29-2008, 10:35 PM
With a little magic I can find time to play all the way through this.

Breine
03-30-2008, 12:01 PM
I started Final Fanatasy I in February, and I haven't even finished that one yet.. so, I don't think I'll take part in it this time around, although I actually kinda want to just because it is such a great idea.

Sergeant Hartman
03-30-2008, 12:09 PM
Are those going to be the only challenges? What about finishing the game or getting to high levels?

Goldenboko
03-30-2008, 05:03 PM
I've yet to actually play through much of FFII, so while you guys try your challenges I'll try to beat it for the first time!

rubah
03-30-2008, 05:13 PM
Are those going to be the only challenges? What about finishing the game or getting to high levels?


Beat the game!

Full Bestiary (DoS only)

Maxxxx Stats[HP/MP] (please specify if you are going to take advantage of the select/cancel bug)

Maxed Weapons

Maxed Magic
That's all the levels this game has :p

oddler
03-30-2008, 08:10 PM
I despised this game the first and only time I played it. Maybe this will be a good reason for me to let go of my hate and start again. :choc2:

Rantz
03-31-2008, 01:54 PM
I'll try to find the time, Maria. I'll try.

Sergeant Hartman
03-31-2008, 03:41 PM
I wanna start now! I have nothing to do :/

KoShiatar
03-31-2008, 09:28 PM
I'll be a good girl and wait until midnight. But I'm itching. :D

Flying Mullet
03-31-2008, 09:34 PM
Are the same challenges applicable to Soul of Rebirth or will there be separate challenges for that?

rubah
04-01-2008, 12:00 AM
I don't know the differences in SoR xD so assume they're the same I guess

crono_logical
04-01-2008, 12:12 AM
I might actually join in this time, see if I can play more than the 30 minutes I did last 2 times I attempted this game before putting it down in disgust :p GBA version for me though, so I can hold the turbo in the emulator to speed through anything remotely boring :D

EDIT: Here we go :p Though it's bed time soon and I have work tomorrow, so I won't get far anyway :p

Captain Maxx Power
04-01-2008, 12:16 PM
Damn your chrono, you're going to usurp my claim as main FF2 head around nyar.

Anywaysum, I'm a slightly sociopathic sort. Ergo I'm going to be playing the original NES version. I'll also be subjecting myself to the following challenges;

No Physical attacks

Last character slot only (with three characters, this is Guy)

Starting stats/basic equipment (whatever is found in the first town. You can go Knuckles for your weapon.)

I don't know if I'll be the quickest (I've got time off soon though), the quirkiest (if Rantzien's playing he wins by default) or if I have the best character names (hint; it's a grid-based system). I'll leave that up to the judges.

Well, I'm off to get my butt handed to me. Chow!

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7448/ff2e0000hi2.png

EDIT: Something I need clarifying for this; when it comes to items, can we still use them as items in battle (i.e. the one's that cast spells), or are we not allowed to use them at all?

Sergeant Hartman
04-01-2008, 12:24 PM
Ok here's my team:


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01819.jpg

Guess the theme and win a prize! :monster:

Max is short for Maxwell btw, not enough spaces! :mad2:

If you look carefully you can see me in the picture holding the camera :hat:


I'm liking it so far, it's a bit different but I'll get used to it. Training outside the first town at the moment, bought Fire, Ice, Bolt and Cure, took me ages cause the money you get from battles is hardly anything.

Flying Mullet
04-01-2008, 12:50 PM
Guess the theme and win a prize! :monster:
Law?

Sergeant Hartman
04-01-2008, 12:57 PM
Close

Captain Maxx Power
04-01-2008, 01:18 PM
Close

Names of people in Beatles songs?

Sergeant Hartman
04-01-2008, 01:22 PM
Kerching!

Captain Maxx Power
04-01-2008, 01:25 PM
Kerching!

Sweet! What do I win?

Sergeant Hartman
04-01-2008, 01:31 PM
Kerching!

Sweet! What do I win?
Uhh....it's in the car brb.

rubah
04-01-2008, 05:28 PM
EDIT: Something I need clarifying for this; when it comes to items, can we still use them as items in battle (i.e. the one's that cast spells), or are we not allowed to use them at all?
I'm not sure what you mean by this xD Can you or can't you use them in what context?

*adds a no-item challenge*

Captain Maxx Power
04-01-2008, 05:30 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by this xD Can you or can't you use them in what context?

*adds a no-item challenge*

Certain items, such as the Mage staff, can be used to cast spells in battle much like the HEAL helm in FF1. I'm asking can you use these in the context of an "Initial Equipment" challenge? Also when you say "No Item" does that mean you can't learn spells since they too are items you use.

rubah
04-01-2008, 05:40 PM
Okay I figure I should put this up before too much longer:

"Classes" in ff2:
Paladin: Swords user with low level white magic (defined for this to be any white magic spell excluding ultima and holy and not levelled up past level 6)
White Mage: Back row white magic user. (Can equip any weapon, but can't be taken out of the back row, so you might as well not equip anything but a bow xD)
Black Mage: Back row black magic user. (Can equip any weapon, but can't be taken out of the back row, so you might as well not equip anything but a bow xD)
Red Mage: Low level black and white magic user, equips swords, bows, knives, and canes)
Monk: No weapons user (no shields either), low level white magic (no spells above level 5)
Berserker: dual axes at all times, no magic, can't equip items

Items, while equipped, do not count as equipment unless you're playing as a berserker for these challenges. Spellbooks won't count as items if you only use them to learn magic, that is, don't keep them in your inventory and use them as items in battle.

SwordFighter_Dago
04-01-2008, 06:14 PM
Alright, didn't really have time to play today, but meh...

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4341/97724269ea5.png

And so it has begun! Seeing as how I only played this game once and never really got into it, I decided not to do any excesive challenges. Also, this game features a hidden cameo in which I took part.
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/842/69638123eb3.png

I felt in an inventive mood today, so I named my characters accordingly:

Frioniel -> Apple
Lionheart -> Pear
Maria -> Cherry
Guy -> Banana

Hear their names and tremble! Together, they form the allmighty Fruitbasket!! Nothing and noone can stand in their way...

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6758/24848929tt8.png
...except a game over screen.


EDIT: One last question, do the Max stats/weapons/magic rules apply to only one or all party members?

Dignified Pauper
04-01-2008, 06:53 PM
I would join in these sharades, but I'll be banned again at midnight, EST.

rubah
04-01-2008, 11:12 PM
actually you're going to be banned again at 8:50 CDT, but it's close enough! You could like send me your screen shots on irc or something xD

I'm gonna say just max out your stats for one character, and then if you do more than that, we'll figure out a new way to say 'awesome'. Or 'what a clod with a lot of time on his hands'.

Del Murder
04-02-2008, 12:04 AM
Is there a pretty PSP version of this game like Kosher played in FFI?

rubah
04-02-2008, 12:33 AM
Why yes there is! I was just reading on GHF about some people making a fuss because they released them separately for like the first time in 20 years!
IGN: Final Fantasy II (http://psp.ign.com/objects/877/877867.html)

Del Murder
04-02-2008, 12:39 AM
Good, because that would be the only way I would touch this game again. Now to see if I can download it illegally.

Zeromus_X
04-02-2008, 02:30 AM
Don't know if I'll have time to finish this one, but I'll at least start. (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i166/Zeromus_X/ffII001.jpg)

Necronopticous
04-02-2008, 03:04 AM
That's a nice, clear picture, Z.

Markus. D
04-02-2008, 06:18 AM
*counts*

Only a couple more till FFV *strolls along chirping*

crono_logical
04-02-2008, 07:00 AM
Don't know if I'll have time to finish this one, but I'll at least start. (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i166/Zeromus_X/ffII001.jpg)I like how you named one character Mario :D Is there something like a dragoon class in this? :p

KoShiatar
04-02-2008, 09:34 AM
Is there a pretty PSP version of this game like Kosher played in FFI?
Yes there is. And I started it this morning! Pictures are coming later this evening.
Kishi doesn't like it because of the graphics but for once I'll go blatantly against him and declare that I love the PSP version's graphics just as much as I loved FFI's. If you've never played the game, it is THE version to go with. It's even got FMV's, and in a higher resolution than the PSX version's, at that.

Rantz
04-02-2008, 06:55 PM
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7400/partyel4.jpg

Party's on!


http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2424/girlytankau2.jpg

In my fight against genus stereotypes, I gave Gus a staff and Maria a bloodied axe, and switched their formation assignment, to let the muscular Gus be my primary white mage while fragile Maria will have to adapt to her new role as the party tank.


http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7813/2dboyhv4.jpg

No, I cannot "see" this Fynn. You cannot "see" Fynn, either. Fynn doesn't even exist at the moment. You live in a 2D world, boy, and anything outside this screen I'm watching you on doesn't exist. In fact, as soon as you disappear from my view, you also cease to exist. You little 2D :skull::skull::skull::skull:.

Sergeant Hartman
04-02-2008, 07:43 PM
wtf Rantzien :hat:

KoShiatar
04-02-2008, 07:56 PM
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9052/snap000gp6.png
Final Fantasy II (but also VI and IX at that) = Star Wars. And anyone who denies this will receive a raspberry, because come on, it's just too obvious.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5347/snap001wr1.png
My adventure starts with the traditional battle to the death. My death, of course.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7765/snap002he4.png
After saving my sorry behind, Hilda offers me some refreshing tea. I'd rather she gave me some armor instead of sending me out to battle to gain the money to buy it, but whatever. Strawberry and rubharb flavor!

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8683/snap003rg2.png
Can't you go to an imperial soldier and steal his armor for me? No, huh? You're no fun. Let me tell you one thing, Locke is way cooler than you! _ What? You don't know who he is? I had to guess that, he can't see into the future. :(

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1636/snap005mr3.png
Ok, off to the unavoidable random battles. Can anyone explain why my characters flee after winning a battle? Are they scared of their own awesomeness?

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2262/snap007qr5.png
I thought you were supposed to hold a bow the other way around...?

Flying Mullet
04-02-2008, 08:01 PM
I always enjoy KoShiatar's updates because I haven't seen any PSP screenshots from FFI or FFII and the graphics are gorgeous.

Captain Maxx Power
04-02-2008, 09:36 PM
Out of interest KoShiatar what software are you using to take screenshots? I've transferred the ROM onto my PSP so I can play the game in-between other tasks so I'd love to be able to take some shots as I play.

rubah
04-02-2008, 11:01 PM
Wow, is that really what Han and Leia are called in your country? Or did you just make those up and its not actually all star wars xD

That bow thing is really funny and ignorant on their parts xD

Sergeant Hartman
04-02-2008, 11:05 PM
Ian Solo, Captain of the Millennium Falcon.

Leeza
04-03-2008, 02:03 AM
I started this last night but did not get far at all. Maybe this weekend will be good for playing. I kept their original names. :cat:

rubah
04-03-2008, 02:15 AM
those original names are so weeeeeeeird xD that's what I get for playing a fanslation I guess :]

Zeromus_X
04-03-2008, 04:23 AM
That's a nice, clear picture, Z.

Is this any better? (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i166/Zeromus_X/epic_fail.jpg)

KoShiatar
04-03-2008, 05:40 AM
Out of interest KoShiatar what software are you using to take screenshots? I've transferred the ROM onto my PSP so I can play the game in-between other tasks so I'd love to be able to take some shots as I play.

You need a thing that's called Custom Firmware Expander. When you've got that, you hold screen+note and make screenshots in .bmp format that you can find in the Pictures folder in the root of your memcard (I think the CFE creates it.)
Make sure you update your firmware at least to 3.71 M33-4, and that you get the latest CFE, because the old one wouldn't let me take in-game shots. There should also be something able to make you take movies but I don't know much about that.

About the Star Wars names... I think the princess is Leila in Italian, while Ian/Han is probably my mistake. But well, if you really want to be picky it should have been Obi Wan, not just Obi. Even though, by the way he talks, pehaps I'd better have called him Yoda :mad: if it weren't that Yoda is wise and not some sort of caveman.

Sergeant Hartman
04-03-2008, 06:37 PM
Update time:

Ok, I've just gotten the mythril from Semmit Falls and took it back to Altair. Got some new mythril gear from what money I had, but luckily I got a mythril axe from the Sergeant boss :cool:

After realising the bosses were really hard I decided to do some training. I found an amazing place east of Salamand:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01834.jpg

Enemies are tough here and it's luck to win a battle at first, they use high level magic but thankfully Mindu is here to save the day with his high HP and epic magic skills:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01827.jpg

The gil is amazing compared to crappy battles against hornet's and goblins, you'll get a good amount depending on the enemies.

The rewards are quite good aswell, I got a mythril helm once, but then I died. But I do get some magic scrolls and some HELLFIRE!!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01835.jpg

Whatever hellfire is...

But as of now here is my team:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01841.jpg

Got a decent amount of HP from all the battles and over 5000gil in my pocket :hat:

Time to go and buy some new weapons and magic :greenie:

Flying Mullet
04-03-2008, 06:43 PM
The rewards are quite good aswell, I got a mythril helm once, but then I died.
"Save" is your friend. I save after every battle when I decide to train there since it's difficult at first.

Sergeant Hartman
04-03-2008, 08:27 PM
Everything's gone tits up for all the towns now :/

I'm tired of trailing back and forth from towns on the ferrie, I wanna get into some real action now.

Oh well, Mindu's left the team now, but some bald dude called Josef has replaced him:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01856.jpg

Went back to Semitt:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01847.jpg

Because we all know that snowcrafts can fit in treasure chests.

Sir Lancealot
04-03-2008, 11:11 PM
I'll start soon, but I don't know how to put images up like KoShiatar and Hartman.

Sergeant Hartman
04-03-2008, 11:17 PM
I'm using my crappy 2 mega pixel camera on my phone, taking photos of my tele blows :/

Leeza
04-04-2008, 01:52 AM
Yep. I'm just using my digital camera to take pictures of my TV. You can do that as well Sir L., as long as you have a digital camera.

Captain Maxx Power
04-04-2008, 02:45 AM
You need a thing that's called Custom Firmware Expander. When you've got that, you hold screen+note and make screenshots in .bmp format that you can find in the Pictures folder in the root of your memcard (I think the CFE creates it.)

Er, I've been trying that and nothing's happened. Do you mean the little buttons to the right of the PSP logo?

KoShiatar
04-04-2008, 05:54 AM
I mean the note button that lets you switch off the sound and the screen button that lets you change luminosity and switch off the screen.
Did you make sure you installed the CFE properly? I had to get some help at first. If it works, the animation should hold still and show inverted colors for about a second.

Sergeant Hartman
04-04-2008, 01:41 PM
Giant Beaver for the win!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01863.jpg

Just finished Castle Kas'ion, it was quite hard. When you guys come to it, avoid the chest in the middle of the room a few floors up.

Here's my team now:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01878.jpg

Gorden is ok, has low HP but his other stats are relatively high.

I barely made it out of that castle alive, the boss was solid, quickly went to Bafsk to rest and get myself together.

Captain Maxx Power
04-04-2008, 05:22 PM
By the chest hair of Thor this is frustrating.

I had to do the same bit three times over because of glitches. The first time my party was messed up so the first battle crashed after Minwu left. The second was due to a mess up when I tried to reload the ROM after I realised I wasn't able to backtrack in time and my ROM save overwrote itself with an earlier version, and the third for the same reason as the first.

OK two things; firstly I will be using frameskipping to maintain my sanity. Unlike a standard game of FF2 I'm going to be doing a LOT of grinding out of necessity, and the standard speed of the game means it can take me an age to get it done. So to make sure I finish by the end of the month I'm going to be using frameskip primarily to zoom past long-winded fights. Secondly in regards to the equipment challenge again; can party members that join you use the equipment they have when they join or do they have to de-equip them and use the starter town stuff?

KoShiatar
04-05-2008, 07:46 AM
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5774/snap001ud5.png
Princes grow like mushrooms these days.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2101/snap003bg3.png
Who in the world would inscribe a ring with that?!

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5005/snap004iv1.png
Let me introduce to you the latest addition to my party: Lawrence of Arabia!

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9074/snap005mc5.png
Encouragement abounds.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4277/snap006tr4.png
Sorry beautiful, I'm off to save the world, even though I still don't know. But according to JRPG rules, the main party always saves the world in the end... right?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6258/snap007sx6.png
Wohoooo! I'm in winter wonderland!

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9691/snap009ty0.png
Wanna bet? __

Sergeant Hartman
04-05-2008, 12:10 PM
Did some more training in the usual spot, had to get my spells and hp up:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01879.jpg

Don't know where to go either, Hilda's been captured or something.

Captain Maxx Power
04-05-2008, 12:34 PM
Don't know where to go either, Hilda's been captured or something.

In the northern part of the map there should be a long straight of line that loops across the edge and connected the main land mass in a loop. Along that long narrow part you should find the Dreadnaught. Use the Pass item on the guy at the door and go from there. :cool:

Sergeant Hartman
04-05-2008, 12:56 PM
Oh right, thanks.

I heard there was an easy way and a hard way. For the easy one I need to go back to Castle Kas'ion and go south. Forget the hard way, I think I've done enough training.

KoShiatar
04-05-2008, 05:31 PM
Pff. I quickly grew dissatisfied with my savefile and I restarted the game. Meantime, can somebody expert give me some spoiler-free tips? This is my first time through the game.
I found out that I didn't name my characters mistakenly: in the originally dubbed Italian version, Han was really Ian and Leia was called Leila. But this time I gave them the original names, for the joy of all you Star Wars otaku. :P

rubah
04-05-2008, 05:44 PM
Secondly in regards to the equipment challenge again; can party members that join you use the equipment they have when they join or do they have to de-equip them and use the starter town stuff?
It's their standard equipment so they can use it :)

Captain Maxx Power
04-05-2008, 05:51 PM
Pff. I quickly grew dissatisfied with my savefile and I restarted the game. Meantime, can somebody expert give me some spoiler-free tips?

Absolutely. :cool:

- In most cases, weapons > magic. They don't cost MP, can usually kill any monster with one hit provided you have the latest weapon, and there's very few enemies that have very high defense
- If you don't want to fuss with offensive magic for a few select fights then have a few magic spell tomes in your inventory. Using them as items will cast a high-level variety of that spell
- When you find the Curse sword, KEEP IT! Don't sell it, even though it's hit^ sucks. It's uber-useful in Boss battles (see below)
- Give EVERYONE in your party Cure, Life and Teleport. Cure should be levelled up where possible, Life and Teleport don't level them only use them as you need them
- Keep an eye on your evasion. For front-line characters evasion > defense for the most part. You can equip things like the Cuirass-type armours, Thief Gloves, Black Garb etc to give yourself decent defense whilst retaining your evasion stat
- If you find a dungeon is too hard and you're low on HP/MP, Teleport out, Save, go to the nearest town, rest and try again. Most dungeons in FF2, due to the levelling system, can be attempted over and over until you managed to get through to the end
- If you need to powerlevel I suggest the following; For MP early on, just keep casting in a battle until all your MP is used up. Preferrably you'll want to cast a defensive spell so the enemy doesn't die. For HP/MP later in the game you can use the Swap/Change magic in the dungeons in Bafsk, which is the easiest dungeon to get to for low-level enemies which you can then "swap" with to get gains in both HP and MP. To level weapon skills, have someone with the Blink spell, higher levels are better. Get into a battle with something like a Flan (high defense, you can find Black variants around Mystidia), and cast Blink on them a few times. You can then get your characters to swing at them perpetually. Do so until you feel you've done enough. Remember you can only gain one level per battle, so don't go overboard thinking you can get 16 levels in one sitting. You can do the same thing with offensive magic spells by using the Shell magic repeatedly to raise the Magic Defense of a target.
- For the most part attempting to level-up the fourth member of your party is pointless. Minwu is nearly always stronger than your party, Josef is about even, and after that all of the temporary members are generally weak. Richard is probably the one most worth levelling since one of the dungeons you have to do with him is very difficult, and of course Leonheart since he's with you for the hardest dungeon in possibly all of FF2.
- If you're after all-out offense in boss battles, have someone cast Haste and then stack Berserk as much as possible. Whoever has the highest sword skill equip the Curse sword and have them attack until Curse is inflicted. Then switch it out for another weapon. The stacking of Berserk along with Curse will allow you to do massive amounts of damage to the point of being overkill.

Necronopticous
04-05-2008, 05:51 PM
Hartman, for the love of God, switch your television display ratio to 4:3. You're killing me, man.

KoShiatar
04-05-2008, 06:05 PM
Thanks for all the good advice. ^_^

Sergeant Hartman
04-05-2008, 07:22 PM
Hartman, for the love of God, switch your television display ratio to 4:3. You're killing me, man.
I like it on widescreen though :)

Maybe I'll just switch it to 4:3 when taking screenshots then, cause I'm that nice :hat:

crono_logical
04-05-2008, 08:52 PM
yay, finally finished - healing staff on Maria and ribbons on the rest made the last battle disappointingly easy though :p Also, equipping 2 weapons per character seemed to make things go faster for me, so that's what I did most of the game (healing staff being the obvious exception) :p

Anyway, that's another FF I can add to my list of completed ones now :p

And yeah, I made heavy use of turbo in battles, I've got other games and anime to move on to :D Dunno if I'll do SoR yet or leave it for a bit later :p

Leeza
04-05-2008, 09:56 PM
You're already done, crono?! I didn't really even start yet because of the CK competition. That seems to be taking up all of my time. But I do intend to complete this. :cat:

KoShiatar
04-05-2008, 11:58 PM
You could've posted a couple more screenshots.. :mad: I never took a good look at the GBA version, too.

Captain Maxx Power
04-06-2008, 01:07 AM
I've hit a brick wall; trying to do the Goddess Bell cave is nigh impossible with a single character due to enemies being able to Stun you into submission. If you don't get the first turn you're practically screwed. I'll just have to keep attempting it until I get to the top.

rubah
04-06-2008, 07:49 AM
*rips the portrait sprites out of munty's screenshot*

I like wha tyou did with teh color there, how about you go back and get screens of the other characters too :D

Melodies of Life
04-06-2008, 10:22 AM
Would I be too far behind if I joined in? I just joined the site today...

Sergeant Hartman
04-06-2008, 10:28 AM
I wouldn't say so, I remember joining FF1 about halfway through.

and welcome.

crono_logical
04-06-2008, 11:02 AM
*rips the portrait sprites out of munty's screenshot*

I like wha tyou did with teh color there, how about you go back and get screens of the other characters too :DI'll have a look later, all the hero portraits show up in some form as part of the ending credits one by one, so I might be able to rip them directly from the game memory for you depending on how it's done :p Not so sure about other people like Paul or Darth Vader, that might need a replay if you want them ripping :p


Would I be too far behind if I joined in? I just joined the site today...It's FF2 month, not day, feel free to join in whenever you want :D

Relapse
04-06-2008, 11:53 AM
Sadly, I can't play this since it's almost exams for me, and because it's not really fun for me. However, once exams are over (12 May), I swear I will play it :)

KoShiatar
04-06-2008, 11:55 AM
Melodies, join us! The more the better!
Ok, so I restarted the game and it's going so much better now.

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I get my ass saved by some... Pirate Red Mages?!

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I'm not sure being left lying on a stone floor is the best way to recover from nearly-mortal wounds, but whatever you'll say.

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Said had I. Yoda should I have you called.

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Ok Star Wars fanboys, are the names OK now?

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Scott officially becomes the first Final Fantasy dead man ever to return. Too bad he then kicks the bucket for real.

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Somehow I'm under the impression I've wandered too far off my path at this point in the game.

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Well, to each his own I suppose.

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A fireplace, a good book and a warm bed. So cosy I want to stay here. But for the sake of the story, I can't. Being a hero is such a pain sometimes. :(

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The Imperials build swimming pools, they can't be so bad. Or can they?

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The Mandatory Mythril Recovery.

Incidentally, I can't understand how people can not love this game. The PSP version (along with, I presume, the PSX and GBA versions) is much more balanced in gameplay than the original, and the story so far is just as good as any other early FF. Bah.

Sergeant Hartman
04-06-2008, 02:03 PM
I hate the Dreadnaught. Got all the way to the end and forgot to save Hilda, I was pissed :mad2:

The Hill Gigas fight surprised me, very hard and it took me ages. Saved outside now, MP is low so I need to get back to a town.

oddler
04-07-2008, 08:54 AM
Alright, I'm motivating myself to start this when I get home from work. You'll probably see me around. I'll be the guy whining and asking where I'm supposed to go next after every main plot point. :choc2:

Edit: Here we go. Leon's name is Loins. Heading back to Gordon with Scott's Ring.

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Rantz
04-08-2008, 11:48 PM
I like the names, oddler. :greenie:

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Oh, it's a fight you want, eh, Hartman?


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Damn made up languages. How am I supposed to figure that out? Who am I, the neighbourhood cryptologist?! :mad2:


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3463/flippinthebirdyh0.jpg

Why are they all flippin' the bird at me? :whimper:

Flying Mullet
04-08-2008, 11:56 PM
Ihttp://img358.imageshack.us/img358/8460/hartmanem8.jpg

Oh, it's a fight you want, eh, Hartman?
How long have you been waiting to use that joke?

Rantz
04-09-2008, 12:01 AM
Ihttp://img358.imageshack.us/img358/8460/hartmanem8.jpg

Oh, it's a fight you want, eh, Hartman?
How long have you been waiting to use that joke?

Long enough to forget about the photo altogether, apparently. I just found the picture on my phone when I was about to post the other ones.

Captain Maxx Power
04-09-2008, 12:08 AM
A Rantzien FF playthrough isn't a Rantzien FF playthrough unless Rantzien is present in the pictures. :)

Rantz
04-09-2008, 12:12 AM
Didn't that get a bit old towards the end? :p Either way, I haven't really had time for it, but maybe later.

Captain Maxx Power
04-09-2008, 01:15 AM
Didn't that get a bit old towards the end? :p Either way, I haven't really had time for it, but maybe later.

Hells no, everyone else's playthroughs looked like carp by comparison. All those in favour of Rantziefying your life say Aye!

Leeza
04-09-2008, 01:32 AM
Aye. :cat:

Sergeant Hartman
04-09-2008, 12:52 PM
Ihttp://img358.imageshack.us/img358/8460/hartmanem8.jpg

Oh, it's a fight you want, eh, Hartman?
How long have you been waiting to use that joke?
I was waiting for it :hat:

Looks like I screwed your Firion over :p

Enkida
04-09-2008, 09:29 PM
Oh hello. I know I'm late on this, but rather than clutter up the thread with random screenshots, I'm keeping them all sorted right here, along with all the side commentary:

EoFF Challenge: Final Fantasy II - Home (http://eoff2.smackjeeves.com/)

Rantz
04-09-2008, 11:05 PM
Oh hello. I know I'm late on this, but rather than clutter up the thread with random screenshots, I'm keeping them all sorted right here, along with all the side commentary:

EoFF Challenge: Final Fantasy II - Home (http://eoff2.smackjeeves.com/)

The sarcasm has quality. :up:

KoShiatar
04-10-2008, 05:58 AM
This thread is made to be cluttered up with random screenshots. ;) Actually, I have a lot of fun at looking at where other people are now and how their party goes on.

Enkida
04-10-2008, 11:04 AM
Yeah, but I like keeping my things together and in order. ANAL RETENTIVE, YO!

There are seven new pages to look at right here:

EoFF Challenge: Final Fantasy II - Archive (http://eoff2.smackjeeves.com/archive/)

KoShiatar
04-10-2008, 12:20 PM
ROFL!! XD
Me and Evastio need to get our wits together. She's definitely beating us at funny walkthroughs.
I'll update in the evening hoping that I can someway make it out of the Dreadnought. I'm stuck in there after freeing Cid and Hilda with an exhausted party and rapidly decreasing healing items. :(

Captain Maxx Power
04-11-2008, 02:10 AM
Well I've endeavoured to pull myself away from the tribulations of WoW in order to try and get somewhere. It doesn't help I'm currently undergoing the hardest challenge possible (no physical attacks, initial equipment, last-character only AND the NES version to boot), so progress is super slow.

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Our story picks up sometime after the Dreadnaught has laid some waste, and I've ventured into the frozen lands of the north. This constituted a few days worth of grinding Josef. Incidentally I really like Josef as a character because he's one of the few RPG characters with a noticeably receeded hairline. What will all these spikey blonde haircuts and long grey do's we forget the reality of baldness in a fair majority of men. Josef wears his mop, or lack thereof loud and proud. We salute you sir!

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v235/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2747542_3459.jpg

The Goddess Bell cave was a nightmare due to one thing; Stunning enemies. Literally, enemies that can Stun you everytime they hit you. Alright if you have four characters, not so great on your own. I had to restart several times in order to get through in the end.

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Gotta love the self-referential lines in this particular fan translation. Perhaps Oua would have been closer to the mark? Incidentally I don't know how TPW managed to speak to the beavers, being as he was unconscious at the time.

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Hey, since when was Psychotic in this game? Distractions aside, I'm being chased by an evil pixellated boulder. Whom shall save me?

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Josef, no! You were so great, so bald, so power-levelled. Now you are gone, and I take a rather painful snowride by the seat of my pants to get back to town with my underpowered TPW (i.e. Guy)

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This is me getting to the other side of the ice-field, where I am now currently levelling TPW for the trip to Cashuon Castle. Once I get there of course I have to Teleport straight out, kill of TPW and then power level Gordon. I see a horribly painful pattern emerging here. Dammit, why couldn't it have just been a Frionel-only challenge? :mad:

rubah
04-11-2008, 03:33 AM
Does TPW stand for anything?

I'm kinda excited that you took on this challenge! I hope you can finish it :D

KoShiatar
04-11-2008, 08:20 AM
I'm still in the Dreadnought. I. HATE. THAT. DUNGEON.

Captain Maxx Power
04-11-2008, 09:38 AM
Does TPW stand for anything?

I'm kinda excited that you took on this challenge! I hope you can finish it :D

Check out the first screenshot, and notice what the columns spell out. :cool:

KoShiatar
04-11-2008, 01:40 PM
Were you able to get PSP screenshots in the end? Sorry for not being able to help you out, but I had to get step-by-step help via MSN myself, and when I looked into my chronology for the chat, I couldn't find it. :(

Captain Maxx Power
04-11-2008, 02:17 PM
Were you able to get PSP screenshots in the end? Sorry for not being able to help you out, but I had to get step-by-step help via MSN myself, and when I looked into my chronology for the chat, I couldn't find it. :(

Nah don't worry about it I'm quite savvy with such things; once you pointed me in the right direction I was able to get it working. The screenies you see are using my PSP.

KoShiatar
04-11-2008, 03:00 PM
Oh LOL I was convinced you'd try to play the PSP version, I should have realized by the format of the screenshots, you were emulating NES instead. XD
What software did you use in the end, and does it let you take movies? I would enjoy greatly being able to take movies from my PSP, but I haven't been able to as of yet.

Flying Mullet
04-11-2008, 03:14 PM
I see a horribly painful pattern emerging here. Dammit, why couldn't it have just been a Frionel-only challenge? :mad:
You have a much higher gaming pain tolerance than I have. I salute you!

Captain Maxx Power
04-11-2008, 03:29 PM
You have a much higher gaming pain tolerance than I have. I salute you!

Thanks. I'm currently grinding Guy in order to make the trek over to Mystidia to pick up spells such as Holy (which is stronger than the basic elemental spells and doesn't lower Vitality due to being a White Magic spell) and Swap (essential for decent levelling). If my calculations are correct I'll need four of each spell; one for Guy, one for Gordon, one for Leila and one for Richard. Since as soon as I get the characters I need to start using them I need them to learn the spells ASAP. I'm dreading doing Leviathan since I can't remember if there's an Inn there which will make levelling Richard impossible and thusly I'll have to rely on item-based spells.

KoShiatar
04-11-2008, 04:35 PM
Does TPW stand for anything?

I'm kinda excited that you took on this challenge! I hope you can finish it :D

Check out the first screenshot, and notice what the columns spell out. :cool:

I don't get it. :mad:

rubah
04-11-2008, 05:31 PM
FF Tactics, NES, and Captain Maxx Power For the Win

Captain Maxx Power
04-11-2008, 07:04 PM
FF Tactics, NES, and Captain Maxx Power For the Win

Close, the T is meant to be for 2 because their wasn't the figure 2 available for input in character name selection.

rubah
04-11-2008, 07:39 PM
that makes a little more sense xD

Sergeant Hartman
04-11-2008, 07:40 PM
After the Hill Gigas fight I realised my strength, magic and hp suck.

I've done some epic training with Leila on my team, got a few spells up to level 5.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01938.jpg

I've been to Deist and done a few things. Went back to Altair to heal up to brave the caverns again.

Captain Maxx Power
04-12-2008, 01:57 AM
I am going to have to do some serious levelling to get even close to Mystidia. With no armour and little evasion I'm taking well in excess of 500 damage per hit per monster each round of battle (somewhere close to 1000 points of damage per turn). I'm going to need to uberlevel my HP and my Fire spell so I can dispatch them appropriately. Expect me to take some time...

rubah
04-12-2008, 05:02 AM
Do you know that if you have maria in the back row and she has not gained hp since the beginning of the game, and you buy her fire and she casts it on herself, she will die? And then when Minh revives her the next round, she will cast it on herself again and die again. And then when minh revives her the next round, she will cast it on herself again and die again ad infinitum.

I'll post my screenshot of beginningness after a while(I forgot to make it of the character naming screen so I just got one of base stat window xD)

[edit- I did some equipment optimization. My party was set up like this: Frioniel- dual shields, handful of armor, Maria- bow no armor, Guy- axe+sword, the rest of the armor, Minh- cane, no armor.
I realized that guy's evasion was pathetic, thus he was the only one frioniel could hurt. I also realized that he had such pathetic evastion because of all the armors on him. Once i took those all off it was much higher xD I gave minh's copper armor (formerly on guy) to maria since it has a +5 mdef (see fire incident above) and she's not going to be evading any attacks in the back row anyways. I gave frioniel the sword and one of his shields, you can't live off of dual shields forever (but it is level 3 now I think xD) and Guy got the hat left, trading 2% evasion for 1 def point. I'm not sure if I like that deal or not, selling armors is a lot more lucrative (I'm kinda bitter because I had to pay 146 out of my 147 gold at the inn because minh ran out of mp xD)

Does anyone else notice a tendancy for the 4th and 3rd place characters to be hit much more often?

KoShiatar
04-12-2008, 07:48 AM
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Wooops, the world's in trouble!

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One of these days I'm gonna kick him in the teeth.

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Josef's definitely got the ugliest sprite ever.

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The Star Wars party vs. Umaro's granmas and granddads.

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I've got no witty comments for this scene. Just a blank stare. @_@

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I once had a boss at work who kind of looked like that.

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The Kashuan Keep is a b*tch. I had to restart twice, but in the end...

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...I got to fight a tribal mask-type thingie?!

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The Sunfire's finally mine!

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Uh-oh! Looks like Cid's in trouble! I don't know why, but I'm under the impression we are the ones who will have to help him...

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Damsels-in-distress cannot do anything they plan right... it's a law of nature, kind of like Murphy's law.

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After a lot of effort and reloading multiple times, I finally got the best of the Dreadnought! I was pretty desperate because at a certain point I found myself out of MP, of healing items, of tomes, of attack items and with two of my members Poisoned and Blind. And I couldn't Teleport myself out to heal! A nightmare. I found the right path in the dungeon just in the nick of time out of sheer luck and a lot of tries.

Leeza
04-12-2008, 08:15 AM
I keep forgetting to take pictures of my progress. I found the Mithril and purchased Mithril weapons and armour for everyone, the Dreadnaught is complete and now I'm on my way to see Hilda back at Altair. I guess this is where I will end up losing Mindu. I'm liking it so far. :cat:

Captain Maxx Power
04-12-2008, 11:39 AM
Do you know that if you have maria in the back row and she has not gained hp since the beginning of the game, and you buy her fire and she casts it on herself, she will die? And then when Minh revives her the next round, she will cast it on herself again and die again. And then when minh revives her the next round, she will cast it on herself again and die again ad infinitum.

Just have Minwu revive her and leave her at that. If she was at full HP when the battle started and she is revived from dead, the game will count that as her losing almost all of her HP and more likely as not give you a HP increase. You don't need to whittle your characters down to single digit HP every time you want an increase, just a fair percentage (I tend to find anything below a 50% drop will almost guarantee an increase).

Sergeant Hartman
04-12-2008, 01:59 PM
Deist Cavern was quite challenging, but I managed to get through it. Was not expecting this however:

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I ran into a few of these double Hill Gigas' fights and they would just wear me down, I had to warp out after a while.

Beat the boss(es) down there, which was again quite hard. Went back to Altair for an erotic scene with Hilda and Jude and then, bang! lol wut.

Hilda is gone again, what the hell is going on? Gordon is back now and here is my team:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01951.jpg

rubah
04-12-2008, 05:34 PM
Just have Minwu revive her and leave her at that. If she was at full HP when the battle started and she is revived from dead, the game will count that as her losing almost all of her HP and more likely as not give you a HP increase. You don't need to whittle your characters down to single digit HP every time you want an increase, just a fair percentage (I tend to find anything below a 50% drop will almost guarantee an increase).

I didn't tell her to cast it but once, the first time before I knew she did 20dmg with fire xD :p That was the problem xD The game thought she hadn't cast it yet and had her finish the command over and over xD It was a huge waste of mp.

Leeza, make sure you de-equip minh before you go talk to hilda or whatever! that way you don't lose your equipment forever xD

Leeza
04-12-2008, 08:00 PM
Too late. I forgot to do that. :) I also forgot to unequip Joseph. But I've got more than enough gil to buy new stuff. I just finished with the Ice Cave and now have the Golden Bell.

rubah
04-13-2008, 07:52 AM
http://www.snowy-day.net/stuff/others/ff2-screen.png
man I was afraid I hadn't saved it, but I did!

It's kinda interesting to try and play this for the first time without using the cancel/select bug on purpose xD (sometimes I'm just really indecisive about what actions to take xD) I realize now why spells are cast so late. Besides taking longer to prepare, this way you can avoid wasting all your mp if you cast a spell that doesn't get played until after the battle ends xD

Captain Maxx Power
04-13-2008, 02:55 PM
I need to know this right this very second; You said that their is a "base equipment" challenge in which you can only buy the first set of armour/weapons from the first town. HOWEVER I need to know, for the sake of my current challenge if this includes temporary characters. Right now the next character I'll get, Gordon, will have significantly better equipment than was available from the starting town. Will I need to de-equip him of his better stuff and use the starting town stuff to still be in the running to complete that challenge?

Enkida
04-13-2008, 06:06 PM
20 new pages right here (http://eoff2.smackjeeves.com/archive/).

I'm at the part where the airships mate.

rubah
04-13-2008, 06:34 PM
I need to know this right this very second; You said that their is a "base equipment" challenge in which you can only buy the first set of armour/weapons from the first town. HOWEVER I need to know, for the sake of my current challenge if this includes temporary characters. Right now the next character I'll get, Gordon, will have significantly better equipment than was available from the starting town. Will I need to de-equip him of his better stuff and use the starting town stuff to still be in the running to complete that challenge?
Dude, I already answered this the last time you asked it xD
http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-ii/115906-eyes-plays-final-fantasy-ii-3.html#post2465086
They can use whatever they came with

@enkida; you didn't happen to make it to mysidia to get the change spell when you went on your lvl1 world tour, did you? xD


Holy crap, my magic is growing with the number of creatures (or players) it's targetted at. I just gained four ranks in heal after targetting the entire party to cast it on instead of just one person :OOOOOO

*awestruck*

I hope this isn't a nestopia bug like my crazy lvl16 shields were last time xD

KoShiatar
04-13-2008, 09:48 PM
I've been grinding like mad not to almost get screwed again like I did in the Dreadnought. I hope that's good for something. >_>

Sergeant Hartman
04-13-2008, 10:17 PM
I've been grinding like mad not to almost get screwed again like I did in the Dreadnought. I hope that's good for something. >_>
Yes, Deist Cavern can be quite hard.

I keep forgetting to take screenshots!

I'm about to take back Fynn now, pictures to come, soon...

KoShiatar
04-14-2008, 05:56 AM
Looks like I didn't grind enough. Oh well', Ill cast Teleport and use a Cottage.

oddler
04-14-2008, 06:42 AM
I'm in the Dreadnought which is where I was when I quit playing this game last time around. REBEL CURS.

Enkida
04-14-2008, 10:20 AM
@enkida; you didn't happen to make it to mysidia to get the change spell when you went on your lvl1 world tour, did you? xD




No, believe it or not, I'm playing a cheat-free game. I know, I know. I feel like an idiot sometimes with all this freakin' grinding I'm doing. I don't call the "have your team punch eachother in the face" cheating because I figured that out on my own, after, y'know, dying about 20 bazillion times a few steps out of the Altair at the beginning of the game.

CHEAT FREE FOR THE LOSE! :chuckle:

rubah
04-14-2008, 03:45 PM
but you have to use the change spell for SOMETHING! it takes so long to get it levelled up to where it stops failing you might as well not consider it a cheat either >:{

Enkida
04-14-2008, 03:58 PM
when I find it, if I can afford it - and that's a BIG FRACKIN' IF! - I'll give it a whirl. But mostly because trying to level up MP is almost as big a hassle as levelling up HP was. It's not an issue yet, though, I haven't found Mysidia yet. Well, I might have found it, but I didn't *enter* it yet. XD

KoShiatar
04-14-2008, 04:16 PM
Is there any spell who is really worth leveling up besides Cure and elemental black magics?

SwordFighter_Dago
04-14-2008, 04:21 PM
I am utterly and truly sorry for not posting my progress. I was very (and I mean very) busy the past couple of weeks, and I simply didn't have time to sit down and properly play this game. When I do, which should be in about a week, I'll try to get as far as possible. Once again, sorry for all the delay.

BTW, up until now I've played this game without select-cancel bug, straying from the designated path and WITHOUT PUNCHING MY OWN TEAM MEMBERS IN THE FACE!! (I know, this is going to be a heck of a grind fest, but I'll try to lay off of it until I'm REALLY runnig out of time)

rubah
04-14-2008, 05:52 PM
Heal is pretty important to level up if you don't want to be stuck carrying around three goldneedles in some of the later dungeons/towers. I have nightmares about an incident that happened to me shortly after I got richard. Haste and Berserk would probably be good to level up so you could cast them 4 at a time and have them all be effective. MP will level up faster when you get your spells to higher level and cast them. That's one reason I've been enjoying playing maria as a back-row magearcher, sometimes I just get her to take off backrow monsters with her magics so that the rest of the party can meet halfway in the middle of the group xD

The levelling system is so subtle it's impressive. You have to imagine that the map was designed like it was on purpose, to force you out of your path and give you chances to level up when venturing place to place. At least if you don't waste all your money on the airship and ferry between palm and poft. If only it didn't take up so much time xD I think it's a better situation than in ff1 though, because at least you CAN take initiative yourself and speed up the process.

Captain Maxx Power
04-14-2008, 05:59 PM
Is there any spell who is really worth leveling up besides Cure and elemental black magics?

Holy is great if you want to grind Soul for Cure whilst still causing damage. Osmose is also uber for later dungeons since it allows you to regain massive amounts of MP quickly. Also Esuna, Basuna, Aura, Wall, Barrier and Dispel need to be levelled to at least level 6 to be wholly effective. Berserk and Haste can make your physical attackers absolutely monsters. Blink levelled enough can make your party immune to physical attacks if you don't want to use Shields/don't have enough Agility.

rubah
04-14-2008, 09:33 PM
oh hell yeah, I forgot about Aspl

Rantz
04-14-2008, 09:35 PM
Out of curiosity, what is the Select+Cancel bug?

rubah
04-14-2008, 09:47 PM
You determine your entire party's actions at once since these games lacked the ATB introduced in ff4. In FF2-nes, if you cancel and reselect an option, your previous option is still credited towards the levelling system. If you waffle back and forth between trying to choose whether to blast the zombie with fire or cure, selecting, backtracking and reselecting, you'll be credited for casting both black and white magic, and your spell ranks in fire and cure both will increase by however many times they were selected. And your power stat will suffer greatly xD

Captain Maxx Power
04-15-2008, 12:22 AM
I've hit a major snag. It's impossible to complete Kashuon Keep without using physical attacks. R. Soul, the Boss of the Keep, absorbs all of the elemental spells. I can't think of any way to kill him not using weapons. A glance at the properties for this monster shows it absorbs all magic in general.

So.................yeah, I may have to break the "no physical attacks" rule just to finish the game.

rubah
04-15-2008, 01:38 AM
what spells do you have, Maxx? we can probably make an exception for that one battle.

Captain Maxx Power
04-15-2008, 01:59 AM
what spells do you have, Maxx? we can probably make an exception for that one battle.

Well here's the thing; Our friend R. Soul has natural immunity to ALL of the elements in the game. These includes the hidden one's, such as immunity to Mind, Body, Dimensional etc. What that basically means is that the ONLY spells that will do damage to him are non-elemental, of which there are three; Ultima, Flare, Drain and Holy. Ultima I won't get due to the storyline until much later. Flare and Drain are under the same proposition. The only one I could possibly get is Holy, as I could trek down to Mystidia and buy a tome of it. However, my previous experiments with trying to get down there showed that I would have to be subsantially levelled before I could even think about it. To give you some context, I would take on average 500~600 points of damage per round of battle against the enemies in that direction. If you assume I'm using Fire of around level 6~7, without using Cure at any point I would need near to maxed out HP to survive. From a purely technical perspective, it's entirely possible for me to get past this battle whilst remaining in the bounds of the challenge. However the logistics behind doing that would be near impossible.

rubah
04-15-2008, 02:05 AM
did you try the 'cure to skip a battle!' trick?

I don't have any problem with allowing this exception(that means you can hit him), it's just people like to get the change spell from mysidia before they ever lose minh xD

Captain Maxx Power
04-15-2008, 02:22 AM
did you try the 'cure to skip a battle!' trick?

I don't have any problem with allowing this exception(that means you can hit him), it's just people like to get the change spell from mysidia before they ever lose minh xD

It's an NPC in the way so that won't fly. Also most people aren't using only one character who can't equip any items he finds or could possibly buy. ;)

I'll train up my Unarmed skill to Level 3 in normal battles if you'll permit me (attempting to take him down with Level 1 would be suicide), unless you have an abject issue with me levelling it?

rubah
04-15-2008, 02:35 AM
who's the third member at that part? level 3 sounds fine xD

theundeadhero
04-15-2008, 02:51 AM
I got this far before I realized two of my PS1 memory cards were full and the other was totally kaputed l--l

I named them Matt, Mark, and Lilly.

rubah
04-15-2008, 03:27 AM
man too bad chocobos can't cross rivers >:[

KoShiatar
04-15-2008, 05:41 AM
After gettin lost in the cavern at Deist a bajillion times, I finally put the Wyvern egg in the right place and was rewarded with... nothing. __
As a means of compensation, Hilda revealed herself to be a Lamia Queen and the real Hilda is at a trek in the desert's distance. Just my lucky day. :mad:

Leeza
04-15-2008, 07:31 AM
I also have just dropped the Dragon Egg into the Spring and ended up with nothing. And still no pics. The journey continues tomorrow. :cat:

Captain Maxx Power
04-15-2008, 11:52 AM
who's the third member at that part? level 3 sounds fine xD

Gordon is currently in use being the bottom character. It's not so much a case of who is there since all the characters are essentially the same. I say Level 3 because before that I wouldn't have enough attack power to outdo R.Soul's defense.

Once I get through I'll post some much needed piccies. :cool:

KoShiatar
04-15-2008, 08:06 PM
Hilda is now safe. Time to assault Castle Fynn!

BG-57
04-16-2008, 12:43 AM
I'm going for 100% in all three collections. I'll post screenshots later, but for now I just got the airship. I'm leveling up Ultima and Holy before moving on.

Enkida
04-16-2008, 10:22 AM
Eight new pages of goodness (http://eoff2.smackjeeves.com/archive/) right here.

Now featuring: tapeworms, dominatrixes, Richard Simmons, and much, much more! How did this NOT get an ESRB rating of "M" ? XD

Captain Maxx Power
04-16-2008, 11:34 AM
Eight new pages of goodness (http://eoff2.smackjeeves.com/archive/) right here.

Now featuring: tapeworms, dominatrixes, Richard Simmons, and much, much more! How did this NOT get an ESRB rating of "M" ? XD

Enkida, your playthrough is easily the best one here. Very much amusement is the name of the game when I'm reading your entries. Great stuff. :cool:

Rantz
04-16-2008, 12:51 PM
Eight new pages of goodness (http://eoff2.smackjeeves.com/archive/) right here.

Now featuring: tapeworms, dominatrixes, Richard Simmons, and much, much more! How did this NOT get an ESRB rating of "M" ? XD

Enkida, your playthrough is easily the best one here. Very much amusement is the name of the game when I'm reading your entries. Great stuff. :cool:

Couldn't agree more. :p

Captain Maxx Power
04-16-2008, 02:20 PM
Updatage!

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After getting the Bell it was time to grind Guy so I didn't end up in the same situation as I did before with the post-Ice Cave where I got back to town by the seat of my pants. This is part way through my levelling session which resulted in about 1200 HP, 270 MP, Level 7 Fire and Level 8 Cure. After that it was time to move on.

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...ah damn it! As I'm sure many of you have been discovering temporary party member's stats are grossly below much of your own party. In this sense, Gordon had even more grinding to do.

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Chocobo! I don't know if anyone's posted any pics of them, or indeed even found where the forest is. It's directly south of Kashoun Castle, but there's no visual marker in the NES version meaning I had to wander around the forest until I bumped into it. These little fellahs are super useful for getting around the map quickly early on in the game without having to deal with loads of random encounters.

Now I am a great magician, your clothes are red!

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Pft, women ay? You let their fiancee die horrifically in a coup and they never let you forget it.

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Now here's me setting fire to a tortoise. I'm actually making heavy use of the Magic cane as an item since it's basically a free Bolt 5. I use Fire on powerful single enemies or anything resistant to Lightning.

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Also there are giant rats.

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And here's the little bleeder of contention, R. Soul. Hacking the game files reveals it's completely immune to all spells, so I forced to break the "no physical attacks" rule for this fight. I levelled up my Unarmed skill to Level 3 beforehand since I would have done single digit/zero damage with anything less, plus it meant I could still follow the "No Equipment" rule as well while I was at it. For the record I actually tend to go completely naked since I need as much Evasion as possible and armour reduces the potency of your spells, so the starting equipment is completely useless for my purposes.

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It's Egil, Egil I tell you! I've always been caught out by this torch by heading back to town without remembering to re-enter the fort and get the flame itself.

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It appears Cid is being chased by a giant flying waffle-iron. Surely this deserves investigating.

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Behold, the interior of the mighty Warship! It's rather art-deco if you ask me. By the way all those soldiers, if you talk to them they kick your ass. Hard. Even if you kill them they still stick around, so basically they're walking S&M NPC's for your self-destructive pleasure.

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Look, pet imperials!

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The Gigas in one of the chests is one ugly mofo. I mean look at the guy. Looks like Sloth from The Goonies had sex with the Jolly Green Giant. Thankfully he succumbs to being set on fire quite nicely.

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Well I just blew up your Dreadnaught, so yeah, I think I've won pal.

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Pixelated!

So yeah, I've finally made some serious progress for once, but the hardest parts of the game are still to come. Leila is going to need yet more uber-levelling to get herself up to speed, which will be the next step on the road. Really this challenge is less challenging and more long-winded. I wouldn't have been able to do this in reasonable time were it not for the frame-skipping available to me. It doesn't help the NES version is also a lot harder in general, and everything takes an age to level-up. But still I'm determined to get there. My claim to #1 FF2 fan will be kept by golly!

KoShiatar
04-16-2008, 03:43 PM
Yeah, I did find the Chocobo forest, but there's a little spot without trees in the PSP version.

Sergeant Hartman
04-16-2008, 04:45 PM
I have now got too many spells. Leveling them is going to take years. What does Aura do?

Taking back Fynn was a joke.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01977.jpg

This guy spent the battle casting haste on himself and only attacked me once, I was looking forward to some huge fight.

The basement was annoying, Jude got petrified, he's the only one with Esuna and I didn't have any gold needles. Luckily I was near the end when this happened.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01979.jpg

Yes, I got myself a mask, epic.

rubah
04-16-2008, 05:54 PM
I think aura imbues you with an elemental attack, but that might be me talking out my butt.

KoShiatar
04-16-2008, 06:17 PM
I think it makes enemies less resistent to attacks.

Flying Mullet
04-16-2008, 06:49 PM
According to <a href="http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/920240/34935">this guide</a> on gamefaqs:

Aura - Adds all four elements to your physical and magical attacks. Against some enemies, it'll work great, on others you won't notice a difference.
I can neither verify nor refute this information, though.

Rantz
04-16-2008, 07:30 PM
The manual which comes with Origins says it just raises Strength. :)

rubah
04-17-2008, 01:06 AM
freaking r. soul is really hard xD Frioniel was the only one who really got any attacks over 5dmg xD Even Exit heals him, I was a little flabberghasted!

Leeza
04-17-2008, 01:19 AM
I got as far as taking back Castle Fynn last night. Digital pics of a TV are terrible though. My magic spells aren't all that great but I haven't been having difficulties. I'm pretty much only trying to level up the Fire, Ice, Esuna and Cure.

I met up with quite a few of the Hill Gigas but they're not too much trouble with the Crescent Sword equipped.

http://leezas.com/HillGigas.jpg

Taking back Fynn was too easy.

http://leezas.com/CastleFynn.jpg

Captain Maxx Power
04-17-2008, 01:22 AM
OK lemme try and explain Aura; There are eight elements in FF2. Four are elemental (Fire, Ice, Lightning and Poison), whilst four are a bit odd (Dimensional, Mind, Body and Instant Death). Each enemy in the game has either a weakness or resistance to each of these, or perhaps they are indifferent. What Aura does is add an elemental unit to your physical attacks. If the enemy happens to be weak to that element then they will take extra damage. If not then nothing will happen to your damage output. The level of your Aura spell affects which types will be added. I don't know the exact order, but I do know once you reach Level 8 it will add all types of elemental attack. By the by, Barrier follows the same principal except it increases your defense, and Dispel again except it lowers the defense of the enemy to an element. I'm not sure what Wall does however...

rubah
04-17-2008, 01:51 AM
Wall 8000 Blocks magic Wall8 all allies

sounds like old-fashioned reflect.

rubah
04-17-2008, 05:46 AM
holy smurf I don't know what possessed me to ride a chocobo to mysidia, but I just now got back to altea. Holy crap that was a nightmare xD I had to reset until I got like the easiest battles possible and I still almost didn't make it xD But I have two copies of Change spell and an ice bow now!

Zeromus_X
04-17-2008, 06:35 AM
Can anyone explain how raising evasion works in this game? From what I've heard before, having a high shield level is supposed to help- is evasion supposed to increase whenever you successfully dodge an attack? I've equipped my party members with two shields in the hopes it'll level up faster, but I haven't checked to see if this actually helps.

Enkida
04-17-2008, 08:52 AM
Hm, I got to Mysidia too, but I took Leila's ship. The enemies we did run into were a cakewalk, but only because they're physically beat-down-able. The cavern in "what I think is Deist but might not be because my directional sense sucks" kicked my party's ass over and over again because those stupid flans and mousses there are resistant to physical attacks, and my team hasn't trained any magic. At all. Like, ever. -__-; GRINDING, HERE WE COME AGAIN!

oddler
04-17-2008, 09:06 AM
Thankfully he succumbs to being set on fire quite nicely.

This is excellent information that I was too lazy to find out for myself! :D

KoShiatar
04-17-2008, 09:21 AM
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/527/snap000zl4.png
I think Leila's got a thing for Han, really. Just she's trying not to show right now.

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I dare anyone to still say that Pirates are cool after seeing these.

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OMG OMG FRUIT JELLY MONSTERS!!!!! SO CUTE AND CCOLORFUL!!!! MOMMY CAN I KEEP THEM?!?!?!!?
Seriously, I'll bet they smell like strawberry and pineapple.

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My Ice spells have become quite powerful lately.

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We've met with a young Einstein.

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Poor, poor wyvern. :(

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Try talking with this, genius!

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Han: "I knew this was too good to be true." :mad:

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The Mandatory Behemoth Battle.

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I reckon nobody wants to argue that Gordon doesn't look better like this.

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FF II houses can crumble like cookies on the outside while remaining perfectly intact in the inside.

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Han "You're really sure, uh? It's not that you'd actually like to..." *whispers in Hilda's ear*
Hilda: *smacks Han upon the head*

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Now, if the Emperor gave Fynn to a castellain like this, there is no doubt he's a bit soft in the head.

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You tell me, huh. The difference is that you'll remain with your royal behind on this comfy throne, while I'll have to go around gettin punched by monsters. Right?

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The Wyverns are actually... Yoshis?!?

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Yay!!

Captain Maxx Power
04-17-2008, 01:57 PM
Can anyone explain how raising evasion works in this game? From what I've heard before, having a high shield level is supposed to help- is evasion supposed to increase whenever you successfully dodge an attack? I've equipped my party members with two shields in the hopes it'll level up faster, but I haven't checked to see if this actually helps.

The number of evasions possible naturally increases like your base stat as you avoid attacks. Unlike stats it has a very low chance to increase per battle, something like 1 in 64. If you keep avoiding attacks during battles your evasion should go up. Magic evasion works in the same way, except it goes up for any kind of magic attack. An effective way of levelling it up early is to head far north of Phin until you reach the area where Wizards are. They hit you with magically attacks almost exclusively. Using this area I've managed to get my characters up to 8 or 9 magic evasion, covering them for most of the rest of the game.

KoShiatar
04-17-2008, 02:09 PM
Could that work for Green souls? They exclusively cast Cure IV on you and I'm trying to figure out a way to use them to level up some of my stats. I would also like to increase speed, how do i do that?

Captain Maxx Power
04-17-2008, 03:19 PM
Could that work for Green souls? They exclusively cast Cure IV on you and I'm trying to figure out a way to use them to level up some of my stats. I would also like to increase speed, how do i do that?

It's possible, but my gut instinct tells me Magic Def doesn't increase when you have beneficial spells cast on you. Also in regards to Agility it has a chance to increase whenever you successfully dodge an attack in battle. The more attacks you dodge the more often your Agility will go up. That's why it's worth having mages in the front row, otherwise their Agility goes down and they end up last in order which can be deadly if you're relying on them for healing.

KoShiatar
04-17-2008, 03:25 PM
I saw the magic Resistance of my Obi Wan augment after a battle with Green Souls where I lingered a lot to get healed fully for free, that's why I'm asking you.

Rantz
04-18-2008, 11:54 AM
I'm not at all likely to finish this by April's end, I have far too much school in the way and I suspect I'm virtually in the beginning still. Nevertheless, it seems to be a fun game, although I'm not overly keen on the stat growth system. And what's with the town names, guys? Paloom? Poft? Bafsk?! :p

BG-57
04-18-2008, 11:58 AM
Maybe Bafsk is named after the noise Nightcrawler makes when teleporting. :greenie:

KoShiatar
04-18-2008, 02:51 PM
It would be great, but that would be BAMF...
Incidentally, does anyone know how maky kinds of Mousses and Jellies there are in the game? I would like to find them all.

rubah
04-18-2008, 04:43 PM
There's not that many. They're on the eoff's bestiary page :p unless they added some.

pudding and mallows ftw

Flying Mullet
04-18-2008, 04:51 PM
"Slimy Tofu Pudding" in Final Fantasy IV will always have my heart. :love:

<font size="1">Slime, Tofu and Pudding random encounter on the moon.</font>

KoShiatar
04-18-2008, 04:51 PM
Great, thanks Rubah!

BG-57
04-18-2008, 08:57 PM
It would be great, but that would be BAMF...

I know: I was kidding.

Enkida
04-19-2008, 04:27 PM
WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME THAT "TROPICAL ISLAND" /= "DEIST"

I spent hours grinding in order to level up enough to finish that "unusually difficult" dungeon and did I get a dragoon for my troubles? No. ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID BLACK MASK.

... and then I found Deist.

:crying:

Expect much capslocking in the next comic update when I get all my screencaps sorted out. This is so *not win.* :down:

Sergeant Hartman
04-19-2008, 05:27 PM
Tropical Island was indeed easy:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01985.jpg

I'm sure I've fought these rhinos around Mysidia town :/

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01988.jpg

Black mask ftw!

So uhh, here's my team:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01995.jpg

Time to do something now, dunno what it is. Hilda's probably gone missing again.

Leeza
04-20-2008, 06:36 AM
I found the Crystal Rod. Now it's time to find Mindu.

Sergeant Hartman
04-20-2008, 07:08 PM
Crystal Rod represent!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC01998.jpg

Mysidia Cavern was annoying as hell.

Also, I'd like to know what everyone's spell levels are on and what level is recommended for where I am, thanks.

rubah
04-20-2008, 07:09 PM
If anyone is looking for the Goblin Prince to complete their bestiary, I just ran into two in a large party of green goblins (goblin guard I think they're called), and they're called DesAngel in the nes fanslation for some reason xD I assume it's the same beast because the sprite colors are identical :p white and blue. Anyways, you don't have to be inside kashuon castle, the plains to the west was where I ran into these.

Leeza
04-20-2008, 07:44 PM
I'm not sure what the recommended spell levels are at this point but mine are:

Firion
Cure 6
Fire 4
Ice 3
Bolt 2

Gus
Cure 2
Bolt 3
Fire 5
Ice 3

Maria
Fire 5
Ice 3
Cure 2
Bolt 3

Leila
Bolt 4
Cure 2
Fire 4

Everything else is at either 1 or in between 1 and 2.

rubah
04-21-2008, 06:30 AM
That looks wonderful leeza. you can tell your spells are good if you don't have to use them too many times in a single battle!

Mine are
<table><tr><td> Frioniel:</td> <td> Maria:</td> <td> Guy:</td> <td> Gordon:</td></tr>
<tr><td>cure-4</td><td>cure-4</td><td>cure-4</td><td>cure-4</td></tr>
<tr><td>fire-4</td><td>fire-4</td><td>fire-4</td><td> </td></tr>
<tr><td>bolt-3</td><td>ice-3</td><td>ice-2</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>life-1</td><td>life-1</td><td>exit-1</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>heal-1</td><td>heal-3</td><td></td><td></td><tr/>
<tr><td>change-1</td><td>change-2</td><td></td><td></td><tr/>
<tr><td></td><td>shell-1</td><td></td><td></td><tr/>
<tr><td></td><td>safe-1</td><td></td><td></td><tr/>
<tr><td></td><td>blink-2</td><td></td><td></td><tr/>
<tr><td></td><td>blind-1</td><td></td><td></td><tr/></table>

Would you guys believe that gordon and guy have the most MP of anyone?

Other stats:
Frioniel has a shield equipped (diamond), his evasion is 2-73%. Guy also has a shield equipped (gold). His evasion is 3-38%. maria does not have a shield equipped and never has. She does have gold armor on (being in the back row). Her evasion is 1-00%. Gordon had a shield equipped for about two weapon levels and his evasion is 1-23%. The lesson learned? Always equip your shields when you can. And don't equip armor when you don't need it.

KoShiatar
04-21-2008, 07:02 AM
I don't equip shields, I prefer to rely on sheer attack power. It is also true that my stats work different in the PSP version, though.

Captain Maxx Power
04-21-2008, 12:13 PM
In this game, Evasion > Defense. However you can still get away with decent Defense whilst retaining your Evasion. Some of the least evasion reducing armours are as follows;

All Shields
Copper Cuirass
Silver Cuirass
Ruby Cuirass
Gold Cuirass
Diamond Cuirass
White/Black Robe
Power Vest
Black Garb*
Mythril Helm
Giant's Helm
Twist Headband
Gold Hairpin
Ribbon
Thief's Gloves*
Protection Ring
Power Armlet

Items tagged with * will actually increase your Evasion, provided your Agility hasn't capped at 99 yet. Everything else will only reduce your Evasion by 0~5%. Really you shouldn't have to use anything but the armours given above unless your Agility is already high enough to break the 99% cap whilst still equipping the heavier armours.

BG-57
04-21-2008, 12:33 PM
I've unlocked the Jade passage and cleaned it out of treasure and bosses. I went just far enough into Pandemonium to get a single treasure and unlock the collections data on it.

Looks like I have 9 treasure chests left to go. I think it's time I start stocking up on Elixirs (Ethers take up a large amount of inventory). I expect I'll need to do two more trips through Pandemonium.

Do you need to beat the game to get 100% on Items, Bestiary, and Art collections?

On another note, the Quicksave function is a lifesaver in this game. I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to play through the final dungeon without it.

Leeza
04-22-2008, 05:50 AM
The first time through the Mysidian Tower I was defeated by a gang of Imps! Poor Gareth was Muddled so much that he ended up killing everyone in the party. I finally get to Ultima and I get this:

http://leezas.com/Ultima.jpg

Eventually I get back to Fynn and reunite Gareth and the Wind Drake.

http://leezas.com/Wing-Drake.jpg

We spend some last minutes with Cid after defeating the Emperor in the Cyclone. Now it's off to Paramekia.

http://leezas.com/Cid.jpg

KoShiatar
04-22-2008, 06:37 AM
I recovered the Crystal Rod and went through Leviathan, and now I'm climbing the Mysidia Tower. Can anyone tell me how far I am from the end of the game? There's only 8 days left and I need to know if I am to finish in time. No spoilers please ;)

BG-57
04-22-2008, 01:55 PM
You have about 1/4 left to go.

KoShiatar
04-23-2008, 01:16 PM
Good, I went all the way up the tower, Minwu kicked the bucket (did he really have to in such a stupid way? =_=) and I need to go back to Fynn and check the Yoshi egg and whatnot.

Leeza
04-23-2008, 06:00 PM
I was on the 4th floor of Paramekia Castle last night when I was <i>defeated</i> by two Sargeants. I didn't think they were that tough. :/

Captain Maxx Power
04-23-2008, 06:05 PM
Onward says I!

http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847151_7740.jpg

Yknow this is how Dubya got into power. You may have noticed something odd about this picture. Yes, there are indeed two Gordons. It seems the programmers didn't have the foresight to replace the "active" party member sprite with another should one of your members leave the party to walk about. This happens a lot since I tend to have only the last member slot active. So now Gordon has left us (the deserting bugger), we're off to sail the seven seas to save a serpent or something similar.

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847154_8376.jpg

Yeah I mean what's the worst that could possibly happen? We get attacked by a bunch of NPC pirates?

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847155_8587.jpg

Ah for fudge sake.

http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847156_8800.jpg

Pirates! Like many things in the world, it turns out they're weak to fire. As it happens Square got it wrong here, as Pirate are immune to fire. And any other element. Infact, if this was realistic the party should've lost automatically.

http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847157_9004.jpg

Static images cannot describe how cool this is, so let me try to use words; Pirates dancing on the poop deck. Awesome.

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847158_9217.jpg

With Leila now in tow I spent a LONG time levelling her stats, namely her HP, in order to reach here; Mystidia. And look who inhabits this place. Red Mages....sort of. Well they're mages in red, but we all know they're just Black Mages whose clothes are at the laundromat. Still, Mystidia offers two very useful spells; Change, which is crucial for quick levelling, and Holy, which is the most powerful spell you can get at this point and allows you to grind Soul for a more potent Cure spell. Since it lowers Strength and I'm not using physical attacks it also has the benefit of leaving my Vitality stat intact, which would otherwise be ravaged by continued use of Black Magic spells.

So once I had the Change spell I could carry on using it just outside of Altae to get guaranteed HP and MP increases allowing me to reach the heady cap of...

http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847159_9420.jpg

9B5 MP? Yes, for those who know you're computing, this is a case of a display overflow. B is the hexadecimal representation of the value 11. So what I have here is 1015 MP. That means the cap may be 1024, at which point an MP increase could cause my MP to roll back to 0, which wouldn't be a good thing. Ergo I can only level my characters using this method so far.

So anyway, time to find dragons.

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847160_9626.jpg

...I think that's a dragon. Kinda looks like Sloth from the Goonies. Wouldn't that be awesome though, if Sloth joined your party? He'd have a special spell that would play a digitised version of "HEY YOU GUYS!". Wickedcool.

Deist Cavern was an ARSE to get through. It took three attempts, not because it was particularly hard, but because my emulator has this annoying habit of loading the wrong save state by accident (I only ever use save states in places where I'd normally be able to save in the game i.e. the world map because the ROM takes an age to get past the title screen for some reason and it's quicker), so I ended up loading a save state before the dungeon was finished. Ergo I had to traverse it all over again. Thank goodness for the turbo button, otherwise I would have lost my rag.

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847161_9840.jpg

Darn it, why does this always happen to me?

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847162_55.jpg

You'll notice my MP count in this battle. Yes, this dungeon was so hardcore, I used up over 800 MP just to get to the end. I have no idea how the later, decidedly longer and harder dungeons will go. Most likely I will have to stock up on Elixirs or get the Osmose spell to keep myself afloat.

http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847164_473.jpg

Boom-chicka-waa-waa!

http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847165_677.jpg

O look, it's Kary from FF1. I had to revive my other party members because the game wouldn't let me advance without doing so, but I just ended up killing them off with Guy's own Fire spell. This was a close battle due to Layla getting Conf. all the time, which I presume means confragulated.

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/196/26/848150393/n848150393_2847166_883.jpg

Is there a cash alternative available? Yes Hilda needs saving, AGAIN. Also there appears to be yet more clones here.

And that's round about where I am. Right now I'm using the Chng spell to get Gordon as close to 9C4 MP as I can before taking on the Arena, which is the last of the "short" dungeons in the game. I've still got a loooooong way to go.

rubah
04-23-2008, 08:23 PM
oh you're amazing. I hope I can get such mp as you!

KoShiatar
04-24-2008, 10:27 AM
Ok, I'm in Cyclone.

oddler
04-24-2008, 12:28 PM
My peeps just got two masks and I assume we're headed for this supposed tower in the middle of the sea now. How much further do I have left?

I'm rather enjoying this game this time through. Thanks, EoFF! :choc2:

BG-57
04-24-2008, 03:06 PM
You have about 1/4 left to go.

A piece of advice before you go, although it does contain spoilers:

You should save right outside the atoll and remove Leila's equipment.

I've scoured Pandemonium and managed to find another 8 treasure chests, so my item completion is now at 99% with one treasure to go. I've got four monsters to add to the bestiary (I assume one of them is the final boss), and about three concept sketches (again I assume one is of the final boss).

Sergeant Hartman
04-24-2008, 03:48 PM
Done about half of the tower of doom. Went back outside to train because Gareth is rubbish, Lucy is now a killing machine with osmose and drain :cool:

Pictures to come soon.

KoShiatar
04-24-2008, 04:13 PM
You should save right outside the atoll and remove Leila's equipment.


Too late. _

BG-57
04-24-2008, 04:50 PM
I was trying to warn oodler. :greenie:

I can't believe people got through this game without quicksave. :eep:

Captain Maxx Power
04-24-2008, 06:24 PM
As is becoming par for the course with me, I've hit a major snag. I've tried to go to the Arena with Gordon but the game demands that one of the three main characters are revived to advance since Gordon leaves when you find Hilda. The problem is that Guy, who would be replacing Gordon, is severely under-levelled to get out of the Arena (you have to hoof it out as Exit doesn't work) and head back to the boat and all the way back to Altea. In all honesty I don't think it's overly feasible. I will try it by buying an Elixir to heal Guy back up to full health/magic when I revive him and take a bazillion Holy tomes to hopefully burn through the enemies with them, but if that doesn't work....I'm really not sure if I'll be able to advance.

Goldenboko
04-25-2008, 12:19 AM
I don't think I'll be able to beat this game in time, but this has given me the incentive to play and end up beating this game, so I'm happy :P

crono_logical
04-25-2008, 12:26 AM
You guys all do far better commentary then I'd probably have done had I bothered :p


WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME THAT "TROPICAL ISLAND" /= "DEIST"

I spent hours grinding in order to level up enough to finish that "unusually difficult" dungeon and did I get a dragoon for my troubles? No. ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID BLACK MASK.

... and then I found Deist.

:crying:

Expect much capslocking in the next comic update when I get all my screencaps sorted out. This is so *not win.* :down:I remember doing that tropical island much earlier than supposed to too, I think pretty soon after getting the boat - I thought it was some weird bonus dungeon when I first found it and didn't realise until much later what it was for when I was really meant to be getting the masks :p

BG-57
04-25-2008, 02:29 AM
I beat the game with 100% item completion and 97% for both Bestiary and Art Gallery. Not quite my goal but not too shabby either. :)

Pity I can't upload an image to prove it. :eep:

Also unlocked normal mode. Does that mean the old-style painful mode?

I found by the endgame I was raking in so much loot that buying Elixirs was actually cost-effective. Takes up a lot less inventory space as well.

Never used the Blood Sword. Too cheap.

KoShiatar
04-25-2008, 06:55 AM
Cid kicked the bucket (he too? -_-) and now I'm ready to take the Airship to Palamecia.

rubah
04-25-2008, 07:25 AM
I beat the game with 100% item completion and 97% for both Bestiary and Art Gallery. Not quite my goal but not too shabby either. :)

Also unlocked normal mode. Does that mean the old-style painful mode?

what do you mean painful!!??

Also did you find your goblin princes? :D

Gobo, I <del>probably</del> definitely won't finish until may, so you can join me in being the <del>slackers</del> busyfolk.

Sergeant Hartman
04-25-2008, 10:03 AM
needs less spoilers around here

BG-57
04-25-2008, 02:07 PM
what do you mean painful!!??

My experience with FFI Origins was you had to play through the game twice to unlock everything easy mode and normal mode. Normal mode featured less spells, weaker Black mages, etc... I found it a pain to replay the game in normal mode, especially after easy mode, just to get that last piece of concept art.

I'm wondering if you have to do the same in FFII Origins.


Also did you find your goblin princes? :D

Looks like I'm missing Mantis King (#88 in the Bestiary), Goblin Prince (#98), and Iron Giant (#124). You said the GPs were around Kas'ion?

oddler
04-25-2008, 05:36 PM
Yeah, the Goblin Princes are in and around Kashuan Keep. I found a lot of those fools, actually.

So, as Fynn faces certain doom from an approaching Cyclone, I sit and stare at it because I don't know what I'm supposed to do next! I assumed it had something to do with flying so I went to Deist and had a pointless conversation with the last surviving inhabitants. Nothing. Went into the depths of Deist Cavern to where the egg was. Nothing. Tried to find Cid but I don't know where he is. What do I do now? Help, guys. :(

BG-57
04-25-2008, 07:10 PM
Did you run into them before going up the Mysidian Tower? Because afterwards the whole random encounters on the world map change.

Here's what you have to do:

Go to the left upper room in Fynn castle, third floor or so. Go up to the large mirror and select to use the Pendant. You could do this before and see just an egg appear. It will hatch this time. You can use the dragon to enter the cyclone.

KoShiatar
04-26-2008, 08:46 AM
I've hit a major problem: with my backed up PSP version, the game locks up when you meet Leon. I need to find a solution, or else I'll be forced to buy a copy of the game. Since it's €40-50, I'm not looking forward to it.

Captain Maxx Power
04-26-2008, 12:03 PM
I've hit a major problem: with my backed up PSP version, the game locks up when you meet Leon. I need to find a solution, or else I'll be forced to buy a copy of the game. Since it's 40-50, I'm not looking forward to it.

I could try getting past that point using my version of the game. Send me your save files through email or something and I'll see what I can do. :cool:

KoShiatar
04-26-2008, 12:11 PM
Maxx I love you. :love:

Edit: download my savefiles here (koshiatar.altervista.org/ULUS1026300.zip).
For some reason it doesn't seem to work via direct link, so if you have problems downloading it try to copy and paste the link into a browser. Only, please take screenshots of the dialogue, so I don't miss it. Who would like to miss the great showdown? ;)

Captain Maxx Power
04-26-2008, 01:56 PM
Maxx I love you. :love:

You better love me a lot more after this. (http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/60901/koshiatar-zip.html)

In related news, I'm afraid to say that I won't be able to complete my challenge. I didn't have the foresight to level-up Guy for the Arena. To be fair I would have had to grind him A LOT in order to get to the end given that his evasion stat is 5% and he takes about 300 damage per enemy per turn. To survive an average encounter I'd need about 9000+ HP provided I didn't stop to heal. So I'm afraid I'm out of this game playthrough, which is very frustrating for me personally. But then again it's taken a long time for me to get even this far, and I don't know if I would have gotten through the whole of April. I may however put up some of the content from the PSP version in terms of the optional dungeons that I notice no one has mentioned yet.

KoShiatar
04-26-2008, 03:16 PM
I'll love you the most if I fiind out that you unequipped Ricard before letting him blast himself into oblivion. :D Thanks, Maxx! You're great as usual and thanks to you I can finish this challenge without having to spend a lot of money or fighting with PSP discussion boards, most of which are so messed up I cannot even make my way in them.

Yep, I didn't touch the bonus dungeons yet so please add stuff from them ;-), because I don't think I'll be in time. But if you just abandoned the challenge from now on and started using all the characters, whould you have a chance to finish the game? I think you showed the limits of FF II to humankind, and you deserve a recognizement for this even if you should not finish the game in time.

Sergeant Hartman
04-26-2008, 03:55 PM
Tower of Doom completed:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC02001.jpg

I must be overtrained to the max cause the bosses weren't that hard.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC02005.jpg

Yes, Ultima, now I can own everything. Oh wait it's on level 1 nevermind. Absolutely crap and pointless leveling system in this game.

Oh well, here's my team:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/mdjp/DSC02008.jpg

BG-57
04-26-2008, 04:17 PM
If it's any consolation Captain Maxx, I won't meet my goal either, mainly because it looks like I have to play through the game twice, and I don't have enough time left.

Sergeant Hartman, you are plenty overleveled. Your stats are higher than mine was in the final dungeon.

KoShiatar
04-26-2008, 05:41 PM
Maxx, can you send me a non-compressed shot of the returned Emperor speaking? I want to make a forum avatar out of it.

Sergeant Hartman
04-26-2008, 08:06 PM
My spells are all around 5/6/7, and I can finish the game like that. Why the hell do they need to go up to level 16?

oddler
04-27-2008, 11:40 PM
I now have Loins. Thanks, BG-57. :)

BG-57
04-28-2008, 01:02 AM
Anytime. :cool:

KoShiatar
04-28-2008, 07:50 AM
Need... to... finish... in time...

Edit: How do I defeat Death Riders? Seems to me that no matter what I do, every single time I meet them it's sure death for my party.

Loony BoB
04-28-2008, 04:27 PM
http://forums.eyesonff.com/artists-forum/116896-final-fantasy-ii-artwork.html#post2480973

I know it's not on topic and of course I know there are only two days left in the month, but feel free to just start now and finish in May sometime (or later). :)

BG-57
04-28-2008, 07:32 PM
Need... to... finish... in time...

Edit: How do I defeat Death Riders? Seems to me that no matter what I do, every single time I meet them it's sure death for my party.

Maybe more leveling? I've got my party so that two characters can do enough physical damage to take out one Death Rider. So long as I only run into two or less I can beat them easily enough.

Leeza
04-28-2008, 07:54 PM
Where do you meet up with Death Riders? I haven't run into any yet.

BG-57
04-29-2008, 12:41 AM
Pandemonium.

Leeza
04-29-2008, 08:19 PM
I'll be starting there tonight. Yay! :)

I'm not sure if I'm levelled up enough, but I have no time for that so I'll have to try with what I've got.

Evastio
04-29-2008, 10:39 PM
If all of your characters' HP is over 1000, you should be able to manage going through Pandemonium. Defeating the Emperor is a whole different story though (unless you use the Blood Sword).

Sergeant Hartman
04-29-2008, 10:54 PM
Doubt I'll finish this tomorrow.

Leeza
04-30-2008, 04:16 AM
My guys (and Maria) are all over 1000 HP and I use the Blood Sword almost all the time as the second weapon. We'll see if I make it through. :)

oddler
04-30-2008, 05:30 AM
Something about a Blood Sword, you say? I'll try that when I get home because the Emperor is decimating my party. :cry:

Leeza
04-30-2008, 06:35 AM
The Blood Sword gives you back some HP with each hit. Every little bit helps.

EDIT: All of my playing tonight was a waste. I got defeated by Lampias. I couldn't keep up with the healing and reviving so it doesn't look like I'll be finishing this tomorrow either.

KoShiatar
04-30-2008, 11:32 AM
Game beaten! And without the Blood Sword. The Emperor was no piece of cake, though. I'll upload images in the evening.

oddler
04-30-2008, 12:44 PM
Bwarhar. I beat that fool using the Blood Sword but I'd say I probably could've done it without it. I've been in the habit of buffing my guys with "All" type spells instead of using them on one person at a time. I used Berserk, Aura, and Haste on Fryin' and that seemed to make a crap-ton of difference. I didn't get a pic of him dying but I got the dialogue afterward. Yay!

28384

Leeza
04-30-2008, 05:40 PM
Is there any short cut to Pandemonium or is the Jade Passage the only way in?

Sergeant Hartman
04-30-2008, 06:49 PM
I haven't gotten around to play it today, so I hope we can continue into May for a bit.

Leeza
04-30-2008, 06:58 PM
As long as the challenge is only for the completion of game, I believe it is okay to keep going into May.

BG-57
04-30-2008, 09:32 PM
Is there any short cut to Pandemonium or is the Jade Passage the only way in?

It's the only way in. :eep:

Leeza
05-01-2008, 12:30 AM
All right then. Here we go again. :)

Captain Maxx Power
05-01-2008, 12:50 AM
I feel my FF2 crown has been usurped. I haven't even managed to complete the PSP version in time. :(

BG-57
05-01-2008, 01:56 AM
All right then. Here we go again. :)

Good luck. Pack lots of Ethers and especially Elixirs if you can afford them.


I feel my FF2 crown has been usurped. I haven't even managed to complete the PSP version in time. :(

I'm kicking myself as well. I thought I could unlock all the completion data in one playthrough, forgetting my experience with FFI Origins.

Leeza
05-01-2008, 06:43 AM
Defeated again by two Death Riders and one Mythril Golem. Killed dead. :(

I guess I'll be going into overtime.

KoShiatar
05-01-2008, 08:30 AM
I feel my FF2 crown has been usurped. I haven't even managed to complete the PSP version in time. :(

Oh come on, I barely could do that, and with no bonus dungeons at all, too, without attempting to beat the NES version with an impossible setup like you did.

Flying Mullet
05-01-2008, 02:34 PM
I feel my FF2 crown has been usurped. I haven't even managed to complete the PSP version in time. :(

Oh come on, I barely could do that, and with no bonus dungeons at all, too, without attempting to beat the NES version with an impossible setup like you did.
You'll always have an honorary crown from me Maxx. The way you played was nigh impossible and very impressive. I don't have the patience for what you did in that game.

BG-57
05-04-2008, 02:53 PM
Overtime info:

Finally found Iron Giant in Pandemonium. Went looking in the wrong room. I thought he was in the hidden room with the Masamune chest, but he's encountered in the next room west with the pillar. The funny thing is, he kept running away from my overleveled party! I finally managed to pin one down long enough to add completion data. :D

Currently I have 98% Bestiary, 100% Items, and 98% Artwork.

I still need Mantis King (#88) and Goblin Prince (#98). I looked around the woods and ocean around Kas'ion, but no luck so far. Should I be looking inside the castle?

Also does anyone know where the Mantis King lurks? They're not the strongest in the Mantis class, so I suspect they're from an earlier dungeon or maybe on the world map somewhere.

KoShiatar
05-04-2008, 03:11 PM
The Eoff FF II bestiary (http://www.eyesonff.com/ff2/bestiary.php) should be able to hel you.