Seymour's Reasoning

[Anno Domini]

:evilking:I not even gong to lie, i would love to be Sin. I don't blame Seymour. Sin is an extremely powerful entity that can vaporize a village just because it feels like it. Flying around through spira, keeping the people oppressed like a dictator. Crushing those who oppose me like a tank running over grapes:sophia: !


Discuss. What do you think about seymour and his reasoning? Would you want to be sin?

[Tavrobel]

If you want the power of destruction and ravaging the world while being more or less something akin to a mindless drone controlled by an octopus-like entity, sure, go on right ahead.

His logic is a dangerous flow of rationale taken to an extreme. Then again, the thought processes of the dead are generally of despair or hopelessness, as shown by the patterns of Yunalesca, Seymour, Mika, and even Kinoc. Though admirable on a certain level, his continued persistence to explain or seek vengeance for his suffering is far from optimal.

Nah. I'd rather be the octopus-guy. Why be the brawn when you can be the brains?

[Anno Domini]

you wanna be a bug?

[rubah]

he used to be a man!

[Tabris]

I don't agree with Seymour's reasoning, but I sure do understand it.

[Renmiri]

Meh... I never enjoyed hurting things, not even bugs. But breaking down sandcastles on my sandbox was fun :D

[Goldenboko]

I felt Seymour's reasoning homage to Necron, and Garland of FFIX

[Anno Domini]

never played FFIX.

As far as the op goes, it is human nature to want power. all of us connect to this universal fact at some point. im a blatent supporter of sin, renmiri just like to have power over the landscape, but we all feel it.

[BG-57]

Seymour reminds in some ways of Delita, the main antagonist of FFT. Both are motivated in part because they have been cruelly treated by those in power and seek power to dominate others in turn. This of course makes them as bad as those that they despise.

What I found much more sympathetic was his denial of his matyrdom as a Summoner. He's grown up as a persecuted half-caste and he's supposed to sacrifice himself to save Spira, which includes some of the same people who tormented him? While such a choice would of course be noble I fully understand his reluctance to do so.

[Anno Domini]

i thought that the soul reaso he became a summoner was to control his mother. he had never mentioned "saving spira" as high on his priorites short of destrying it.

[cally777]

I think the desire to smash things like Renmiri's sandcastles is very human. Thats one big reason why vid games are so popular. So fine if its fantasy.

But its different when you are smashing up real people and their homes (not in a game). And are faced with the result of dead and injured that you have caused. Like the little kids playing in Kilika. Or Vietnam. Real evil.

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[Garnie]

seymore was totally tapped in the head! the only reason he could find was that he wanted to end spiras suffering by killing a lot of people! imo i think that Aeon could have given hope to people js in them selfs but.....igronance is unfortunetlythe best way people cope with there problems. Any way seymore was totally tapped in the head. and your gonna be that way with the childhood he had too cope with i suppose.

[Anno Domini]

i dont think any one of us could feel the way seymour did. that childhood is just tooooooo unhappy. this is why i feel that if a sane person were to become sin, they could have better control. jecht didnt want to be sin and he began to phaze out. would if someone wanted to be sin.

Apart from destruction, think of what sin could do! as a beast of burden, as transportation, as a holy symbol, or even a domestic weapon. Sin COULD do a lot of good! if i were sin i dont tink i would want to be a beast of burden, but there are the occasional self-sacrificers. :-[

[scrumpleberry]

Personally, I can understand Seymour, but I would rather be a random massacred villager because

1. Guilt

2. Loss of intelligence - "UG BERRY SMASH"

3. Constant slashing and rebirth by a bunch of summoners

[Anno Domini]

well, we know that if sin dies, that summoner goes away to the farplane. jecht got sent. but at least you can understand his mind. "UG BERRY SMASH!" lolz!

[scrumpleberry]

well, we know that if sin dies, that summoner goes away to the farplane. jecht got sent.

Wewps, forgot. Soz. :D

[Anno Domini]

it happens ^^)

[Bashini]

I totally understand Seymour and I can't say I disagree with it. His way is just a different means to the same end Auron hoped for. A way to break the cycle of suffering on Spira, but unlike Yuna he had nothing worth living for. His understanding of the world is skewed by his religion and by his loneliness.

On Spira, if people die their consciousnesses remain, they even appear as they did in life, and can enjoy things similarly. So by killing all of them, by becoming the last Sin, the cycle ends and everyone would be apart of him and apart of each other in a weird and mystical way. Spira's people could continue without change, Yevon gets what they want and, the world no longer suffers from the constant death caused by sin.

[Roogle]

Seymour reminds in some ways of Delita, the main antagonist of FFT. Both are motivated in part because they have been cruelly treated by those in power and seek power to dominate others in turn. This of course makes them as bad as those that they despise.

I think that Delita is a much better villain than Seymour, but I understand your comparison, too; however, I think that Delita was more logical and less emotional than Seymour.

[BG-57]

Agreed.

Although I found Seymour more likeable than Delita. Delita had lost all my respect by the game's end.

I guess it partly has to do with the way the game reveals their backstories. In FFT we get to see Delita's tragic backstory early on and then gradually we learn about his ruthlessness. In FFX we initially don't have much emotional investment in Seymour and only later do we find out about his tragic origins.

[Anno Domini]

i think that perhaps his coolness and darkness attracts quite a lot of followers.
i still love him!

[Roogle]

Although I found Seymour more likeable than Delita. Delita had lost all my respect by the game's end.

I did not like or dislike Seymour. He seemed more of the standard fare of villain to me regardless of his tragic origins, and I would rather have found out about his tragic origins before seeing him become evil, as I think that adds a little more tragedy to the story when the characters know what caused the descent into the wrong.

[BG-57]

It was all uphill for Seymour for me since I didn't care for him at first and I grew to sympathize with him more as the game progressed.

[Klyklops]

Well since I have my hair in my face most of the time I woud really love to live out millenia as a giant barnacle encrusted whale. I could really have a lot of fun and listen to all my MCR albums over and over. That would be sweet.

[Anno Domini]

^lame. glad your banned. :[

Anywayssss.... it has always bugged me why he never tried to take over yevon and rule spiran as a dictator in bevelle.why sin?

[cally777]

Anno, u r begining to worry me a little with your Seymour love-in!


^lame. glad your banned. :[



And its not that polite to call other people's jokes lame. I personally thought it was quite funny.

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[Anno Domini]

Anno, u r begining to worry me a little with your Seymour love-in! i suppose, but its a valid question! he was already in power, its uphill from there!



^lame. glad your banned. :[



And its not that polite to call other people's jokes lame. I personally thought it was quite funny.

:choc::choc::choc: i suppose it was a bit unneccesarry...

[cally777]

Hey, its ok! I can see you didn't mean it nastily.

Hopefully klyklops didn't take offence

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