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Del Murder
04-06-2008, 07:01 PM
Congratulations! You are now part of the staff! Hypothetically, at least. For this task your group will act as the staff, and you must come together to make an important decision...the very same decision that the current staff is trying to make right now.

You must decide the next Cid's Knight. You will not be deciding between real members, but 5 candidate profiles that we will provide you. Each candidate has their strengths and weaknesses that would make them a good Knight.

Please discuss the merits of each candidate in this thread, and together come to a decision on who to promote, with a reason why they were chosen over the rest.

For the duration of this task please stay out of the other teams' threads. We will be watching you. Remember, everything you do is graded.

Here are your candidates:


Candidate 1 -

Longtime member who has been around for many years.
Well known and respected by most of the veterans, but has not had much interaction with most of the the newer members.
Posts mainly in the general categories and Feedback.
Has a smart unique personality and outlook that not many others have.
Forum activity is currently moderate.


Candidate 2

Joined within the last year but has become one of the top posters during that time.
Well received and like by most of the newer members, but some of the oldbies will probably claim they've never heard of this person.
Active poster in all forums, but mainly in General Chat.
Friendly poster but has the tendency to spam and be immature at times.
Forum activity level is very high


Candidate 3

Has been an active member for 3 years.
Posts a lot in the gaming forums but not much in the general forums.
Is well known and well respected in the gaming forums for their helpfulness and advice.
Calm and low-key demeanor. Hardly ever participates in forum 'events'.
Forum activity level is very high in the Gaming forums, much less so in the General forums.


Candidate 4

One of the top posters in General Chat for a number of years.
Everyone's buddy. Has won numerous Ciddies in many different categories.
Generally well liked by the community, but has had run-ins with the staff due to their non-serious, jokster nature.
At one point claimed to be "anti-staff" but that posi<b></b>tion has since changed.
Forum activity level is high in the General forums. Never visits the gaming forums.


Candidate 5

Since joining EoFF two years ago, this person has dived right into the community and become an active poster throughout the forum.
Is constantly posting ideas for new events and making interesting, interactive threads.
Well liked by the community for their upbeat personality.
Sensitive in nature, this poster shies away from confrontation and prefers to go with the flow.
Activity level is not always constant. Periods of intense activity are sometimes followed by very low levels of posting.


You have 30 hours (Tomorrow 5pm Pacific time) to complete this task.

Captain Maxx Power
04-06-2008, 07:07 PM
OK then guys, before we start jumping in to analysing people, perhaps it would be best if we decide on some kind of a universal rating system we can all use to grade the candidates as we see fit, perhaps coming to some amiable conclusion based on that. We can still use this thread to discuss more thoroughly which of the above candidates we would choose.

I suggest we use the following criteria;

- History ; Has the user ever been in trouble? Have they exceeded in some way?
- Activity ; How often are they on? Do they post often?
- Personality ; Is the person suitable material? Are they mature?
- Community Spirit ; Are they liked much within the community? Will they interact well with other members as a CK?

KentaRawr!
04-06-2008, 07:07 PM
Hmm, I'll take a look at the candidates for a bit and decipher who they're based off of to make this choice a bit easier.

Actually, no, I won't.

Anyway, I vote for Candidate 4. It's best to vote for somebody that works best with other people to be a CK.

Tasura
04-06-2008, 09:11 PM
I vote for Candidate 5, for a couple of reasons.

A) They are well liked by the entire community, not just the noobs or oldbies.
B) They've already tried to make the forum a better place by making new events.

And along with their good points, they have their bad points too.

A) Shy and non-confrontational, so they might leave any of the face to face moderation to others.
B) Sporadic activity.


This candidate's pros out weigh their cons, though. So I think 5 would make a good CK.

Jigsaw
04-06-2008, 10:30 PM
Here's Jigsaw's 3 cents:

Candidate 1 - As a newer member I probably wouldn't want someone who didn't take much noitce of the newbies. I like their unique personality but I will have to pass. I would probably pm this person or leave them a user note and ask why they don't interact with newer members.

Candidate 2 - I am partial to this person but then again we have to respect those who have been on the site for a long time. In time I think they would grow to become an excellent candidate but now would not be their time.

Candidate 3 - I'd say this person 'stands out' the most of any of the other people for their involvement in the game forums. It seems that the leaders of this site care a good deal about their game forums and that those should be well covered by staff. I would go for this person.

Candidate 4 - Almost the opposite of #3, but I think a very good candidate. It just depends on which direction we want to go. Their previous anti-staff nature doesn't seem to be a concern now. Having a popular, active member on staff can be a plus because it gives staff energy and better knowledge of various social circles. An inside-man if you will.

Candidate 5 - It is always good to have someone with some energy and enthusiasm. However, being a mod does mean you will have to take some verbal abuse, and I don't know if this person can handle it. I would pass on them for now and wait and see if they improve in this regard.

So I would vote for either #3 or #4.

BG-57
04-06-2008, 10:45 PM
Would it help if I made a spreadsheet on this?

Captain Maxx Power
04-06-2008, 11:01 PM
Well here are my thoughts on the members. In an effort to encourage some form of universal rating I'll be using the criteria I initially suggested;

- History ; Has the user ever been in trouble? Have they exceeded in some way?
- Activity ; How often are they on? Do they post often?
- Personality ; Is the person suitable material? Are they mature?
- Community Spirit ; Are they liked much within the community? Will they interact well with other members as a CK?

Candidate 1 -

History: This person has been here for a long time, suggesting they know the forum and it's members well. They haven't done anything much for the community directly, but they do post in Feedback meaning they have probably contributed to improving the community in some way.
Activity: They have a moderate rate of activity, but really a CK doesn't need to be around all the time. Since they are mainly in the general/feedback catagories that might suggest they won't spend much time moderating the other gaming forums.
Personality: Is well liked and respected, suggesting they are probably smart and capable as many people who stay around for such lengths of time are usually on-the-ball types. They have a unique personality and outlook, which could be good for initiative but may cause some tension with the majority of the staff
Community Spirit: The biggest problem is that they have spent little time interacting with newer members. It shows they may have issues caring about the "little people". The majority of younger members may see them as some kind of malevolent "elitist" presence

Candidate 2

History: Is a newer member but has been here for a year so they will know the forum rules well. They have probably been in trouble for spamming or being immature in the past
Activity: They are here an awful lot which is good but not a necessary pre-requisite. Their high volume of posts suggests they browse most topics, meaning they'd be more likely to spot any perps. Their tendancy to General Chat is good in some ways since it's the most active forum, but they may let other forums slide
Personality: They are friendly which is always a bonus when dealing with a community, but their immaturity would be a major issue. CK's need to be shown to not fall into "bad behaviour"
Community Spirit: They have a good repour with the newer members, which is probably more important since they're more likely to be the ones to watch than oldbies.

Candidate 3

History: They've been around for three years so they will know the community and it's rules well. They have given a lot of gaming help in the past, meaning they will be respected by the community at large. Their lack of participation in big "events" is a downfall as it suggests they may not deal well with bigger gatherings and groups
Activity: A lot of focus in the gaming forums than general is a problem, since most issues occur in the general forums. But they are on a lot already which is a bonus, and they will most likely keep a very close eye on the gaming forums, which together constitute more work than the general forums
Personality: Their calmness is suggestive of a levelled-headed type, as well as their gaming knowledge showing they are prepared to help others. I can see no disadvantage to this person apart from their lack of attending big events, showing they may be more of a "loner"
Community Spirit: As mentioned above the fact they don't participate in events is an issue, but they are respected which is good

Candidate 4

History: A top poster, but only in general chat. This is an issue since it shows little to no knowledge of the gaming forums
Activity: Having won many ciddies and been a top poster they are obviously well-known and liked. Again though this applied exclusively to the general forums. The fact they have a previous "record" with the staff is also an issue, suggesting a problem with authority and taking things seriously
Personality: Fun and liked, so that will give them a good rapour with the rest of the forum. However their non-serious personality may make the more official side of moderating a real issue. Their "anti-staff" stance also suggests this.
Community Spirit: Well-liked and active so will take to the posi<b></b>tion well with other members. But again their unwillingness to visit the gaming forums suggests a community selectiveness which may be an issue

Candidate 5

History: Has been here for two years which more than long enough to know the community well. Suggesting new events shows they have a pro-active interest in the community
Activity: The inconsistency is an issue in regards to posting, as it shows they may leave the other CK's to "flounder" when they are not around to pick up the slack. They do post throughout the forum however, which means they'll have a good idea of whole of the community
Personality: They are upbeat which means they will be a positive influence on the community. However, their unwillingness to confront others and be passive is a very bad thing since it shows they may have issue admonishing members when it is required. This could work to their advantage since it would be a problem if a person were too confrontational
Community Spirit: As mentioned above, posts right across the board, and is well-liked which works to their advantage perhaps better than anyone else in the candidate list

VERDICT: None of the candidates are perfect, but to me 3 is the best. Activity needn't be massive for a CK to be able to moderate successfully, and we need someone who is level-headed and smart rather than someone who is just liked by the community. 3 of course is liked which is a bonus, with the only issues being their lack of activity in the general forums which could easily be rectified after their indoctrination.

Side thought: Dyou think the twist will be that all of these profiles are based on the current CK's?

BG-57
04-06-2008, 11:13 PM
I've posted a table so I can do side-by-side comparisons.

Right away I see two red flags:

Candidate #4: Was anti-staff at one point. While I believe in rehabilitation I'm not sure someone who generates friction with staff would work very well cooperatively.

Candidate #2: Tends to spam. That's not a good example for staff to be setting.

I don't see any really huge red flags with the other three.

These could be based on real people but I don't quite see myself in any one of them.

Tasura
04-06-2008, 11:27 PM
They almost certainly are based on either current or previous staff, if not that, it could be based on some of the hopefuls in this contest, to see who us, as competitors, would pick out of ourselves, not knowing that we were.

KentaRawr!
04-07-2008, 01:18 AM
Candidate #2: Tends to spam. That's not a good example for staff to be setting.

Psychotic's a pretty decent CK, if you ask me. :monster:

Crossblades
04-07-2008, 03:28 AM
I vote for candidate 1. If he's been here for so long, he should deserve to be CK. He follows the forum rules and is very much respected by everyone else

Tasura
04-07-2008, 03:32 AM
I vote for candidate 1. If he's been here for so long, he should deserve to be CK

That's not really that good of a reason. By that process every member whose been a member for over a certain amount of years should be a CK.

Crossblades
04-07-2008, 03:40 AM
That's not really that good of a reason. By that process every member whose been a member for over a certain amount of years should be a CK.

I edited my post before you even posted

Dynast-Kid
04-07-2008, 03:55 AM
Haha, looks like i'm a memeber of Team 3SD! I knew i'd miss alot over the 2 days I was gone!

Also, great teamwork guys, and great organization! BG-57, love the charts, and Maxx, you're a great leader!

But anyways, I looked over all the information, and my first choice would probably be Candidate #3. Even though he's not very active in General, it would be great to have a CK focused mainly on the gaming aspects of the forums, and not just being liked and participating in forum activities.

Hmm, my second choice would probably have to be #2. Even though he's not well-known with the oldbies and veterans, he seems to be well-qualified. He's also active in all of the forums, and I think that a good Cid's Knight should be willing to peek into all of the forums, at least every once in a while. His immaturity would probably be the main problem, but with time I think he'd be able to change his ways.

That's all i've got for right now. I'll post more later, 'cause right now i'm on my cousin's crappy laptop!

KentaRawr!
04-07-2008, 04:28 AM
Personally, I think we have enough CKs that browse the gaming forums, and the gaming forums don't need much more supervision than they already do, and Candidate 3 already contributes to the Gaming forum as best he can. Rather, we need someone who covers more ground, and being a member of the staff will help him or her connect to the staff more, to give recommendations more directly, and have their recommendations cover a larger portion of the site. But, of course, being a CK also means you have to not be too biased towards certain people and let them go easy on obvious obstructions of the rules, so maybe everybody's friend isn't the way to go here.

I think Candidate 5 looks best.

Araciel
04-07-2008, 05:47 AM
I AM # 2...so I should probably vote for that one...

Then I think 3 is pretty well-suited to the job.

I think 3.

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 06:00 AM
I'd have to go for candidate #1

he/she posts in feed back so we know that he/she is active in ideas for the forums. Been around a long time, knows the rules. And even if he/she doesnt interact with new members, the new members wouldnt know who all the ck's are anyway. There are plenty of ck's who do so a little elitism is a minor drawback

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 10:37 AM
Sorry for the double post but i really think we should prepare an answer now, not a definite answer just a quick one we agree on by vote incase we run out of time and dont have a final answer. (Im not really sure how much time is left).

Captain Maxx Power
04-07-2008, 10:48 AM
Sorry for the double post but i really think we should prepare an answer now, not a definite answer just a quick one we agree on by vote incase we run out of time and dont have a final answer. (Im not really sure how much time is left).

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, we still have all of today to get this sorted. Right now the votes are as follows;

Candidate 1; (2) Crossblades, blackmage_nuke
Candidate 2; (0)
Candidate 3; (3) Captain Maxx Power, Dynast-Kid, Araciel
Candidate 4; (0)
Candidate 5; (1) Chaos Is The Key

Kentarou you said 4 earlier, but then 5 later; which is it? Jigsaw is on the fence right now it seems, and BG-57 hasn't voted yet. So right now we're missing PG's vote.

If anyone wants to change their vote then they can do. I'll keep an eye on the voting changes during the day. Right now I'm thinking of changing my vote to 5, since I think that their wider range of activity is an advantage, and the confidence issue might go away once they have admin powers and don't have to "put up with this crap" as it were.

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 10:52 AM
I dont know what time 'pacific time' is.

And remember we need time to write a well composed reason as to why the candidate owns the rest. (which i suggest we do by comparing it to other candidates one at a time)

Tasura
04-07-2008, 11:01 AM
we still have 14 hours. I think that's time enough to get in 1 vote, and have those on the fence to decide for certain.

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 12:34 PM
The voting will be easy, it's writing and agreeing on the reason as a group that will be hard.

To get the best result we'll have to make drafts and edits as a group to show we are the ones who are the best at working in a team

I think that is the true meaning behind this test, it's possible our actual answer is really a small part or maybe even irrelevant

The candidate we choose is just one number, i doubt that is the main part of the test, logically the focus should be put on the reasoning.

It makes sense to just pick a candidate now, run with it and recieve reasoning suggestions which we compile into a short essay of some sort. That way we wont have people in seperate time zones un able to contribute to reasoning and only able to contribute to voting.

I guess this is all stuff i shouldve said earlier. But that is my suggestion

It might sound abit selfish but im pretty sure most of the work will be done towards the end or in the next 10 hours and its getting late in my time zone and i'll be asleep when the majority of the work is done and i just dont want it to look like i did nothing to help. I think if other people in my time zone think about it they'll feel the same

Peegee
04-07-2008, 01:16 PM
Hello all. I was predisposed yesterday as I was hanging out with Araciel. However I was made aware of what I would have to do. So on with it!

Reading the description of the five people, I tended to associate the description of an existing CK. I confirmed this with Captain Maxx Power. However, this observation can't be really that useful -- after all, if all five descriptions describe a CK, then all five descriptions are good for the forum.

There was a possibility the descriptions described a member that used to be a CK. This is equally pointless because the reasons for picking somebody is irrelevant unless one can make an argument that a particular application type (and these are pretty general statements) are prone to failure. The way I will approach this would be to decide from my end what type of person I would best want to be a CK and go from there.

As decided, I will go with the criteria set out by CMP but I will only list the candidates that I feel are worth my time.

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Candidate one:

History:
I personally like to see veterans/regs become CKs. I don't think that the point to be made is that if you put in enough time in the forum you get a shiny medal, nor do I want to give the impression that somebody new, competent, and able should have to twiddle their thumbs for years before they get promoted either -- this is just a preference of mine.

Personality:
Candidate one is a long time member and as such has made a nice stable of friends of similar time served. Typically there's probably a cliquey friendship going on in the background, so this member will have little problem going to administrators like cl_out and Daniel. Heck they might even converse with them on a daily basis. This is pretty useful when it comes to moderation that exceeds the parameters of a CK.

Posting in the general forums has a benefit of always seeing who are newbies, and being able to keep tabs on troublemakers and people who are probably yellow flagged, so to speak.

Community Spirit:
Not having much interaction with most of the newer members does strike me as questionable, but I am not sure how much weight I should put here (feel free to discuss). Captain Maxx Power suggested that new members may feel that such CKs are elitist, and for good reason. HOWEVER moderate posting in the forum would result in less of a presence, so the negative aspect of being seen as an ogre would be lessened. There are CKs that I don't know well at all for whatever reason, and I've been here for years -- this doesn't affect my view of them in a negative way.

Activity:
Most of the forum activity does occur in the general categories and I understand those to be the most active forums.


Candidate three:

History: As stated above I prefer a member who has been around for many years. However I also didn't want to alienate new members. Regardless, a member of three years has been around much longer than it takes to be seen as a regular.

Personality: Regardless, the member has a very good history and will have many members immediately receptive of the notion of a promotion to be a CK. Since many gaming forum individuals also browse the rest of the general forums, there should be a good amount of receptive individuals. This contributes to a pleasant environment and a good go-to person to address member issues.

Activity: This individual is very active in the gaming forums, but it is not stated the person browses the specific Square/Enix video game forums (FF1-8, CT, etc). Only being active in one forum does give me pause though.

Community Spirit: Apparently doesn't participate in forum events and is low-key. These are not bad things, but could hinder visibility as well as newbie-friendliness. This is why I placed Candidate #3 lower.

Candidate five

Why one, three, but not two, four? Two seemed to be immature but had no redeeming qualities that justify the immaturity. Genuine immaturity versus facetiousness are two different things. Number four I am hesitant to say something outright as I have a strong opinion on who that description is based off of. I agree that such an individual can reform, especially if the anti-staff sentiments were facetious.

This individual is lacking in those troublesome qualities that require a specific instance where those qualities aren't really an hinderance, so I chose him/her.

History: Again, active poster for far longer than it takes to be a regular poster. After two years typically a great majority of members are aware of said individual.

Activity: Also, posting in every forum and being active in them all is indeed an amazing accomplishment. This means to me that most everybody is aware of this person and thus a promotion would result in a positive reaction throughout the forum.

Community Spirit: An active poster who has interesting, fun threads and ideas is an excellent person to maintain a positive atmosphere for new and existing members. I presume such a person would often have threads that span hundreds of replies from a variety of participants, so visibility into the forum is good. This however has the problem of perhaps too many threads and posts to keep up with.

Personality: One might get overwhelmed. This is situational in whether it's good or bad. Also this individual doesn't like confrontation. With so many good, interesting threads, confrontation is sure to arise. I tend to look for a person who is no-nonsense when it comes to approaching arguments and confrontations. A person who doesn't like confrontation is less willing to do what it takes to quell arguments.

My vote goes to Candidate one, then three, then five.

KentaRawr!
04-07-2008, 02:05 PM
My vote is 5, Maxx.

Captain Maxx Power
04-07-2008, 02:10 PM
Candidate 1; (3) Crossblades, blackmage_nuke, Pureghetto
Candidate 2; (0)
Candidate 3; (3) Captain Maxx Power, Dynast-Kid, Araciel
Candidate 4; (0)
Candidate 5; (2) Chaos Is The Key, Kentarou

That's how we stand right now. We'll see what Jigsaw has to say.

Peegee
04-07-2008, 02:13 PM
I'm not saying you have to, but it would be simpler if Jigsaw were to vote 1 and 3, just to break the tie.

However if we have a three way tie, we'll just have to determine a course of action to weed out two of the contestants.

KentaRawr!
04-07-2008, 02:15 PM
After we've got our votes, I think we should discuss our reasoning more in-depth than we have instead of calling it a day and waiting.

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 02:24 PM
If i change my vote to 3 can we get on to reasoning?

Captain Maxx Power
04-07-2008, 02:29 PM
If i change my vote to 3 can we get on to reasoning?

Only if the votes work out to have 3 in the majority. We shouldn't just move on for the sake of it. You can still discuss if you want.

KentaRawr!
04-07-2008, 02:41 PM
Also, remember that it's not some kind of uber-respected rule that we need to do this in Mafia-Style voting. That's just how it came about, so there's really no restriction on changing your vote or something, so long as everyone knows your current stance on the matter. Also, we can still discuss even without the votes completed if you guys want to.

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 02:47 PM
Alright i change my vote to 3, heres my input on the reasoning, if our choice ends up being three (otherwise my contribution will be useless as i'll be asleep for the final hours due to upcoming exams)

Why 3 is better than:

1- Even though 1 has been here longer, three years is a sufficient amount of time to know all the rules and understand the way a ck should act, whether 1 has been here two more years that 3 or four more years really shouldnt make a difference. Avoiding the general forums means 3 probably doesnt have as strong a social connection with the community but as mentioned he is 'well respected' and we know people already listen to 3's advice. A veteran would send out a more authoritative dominant role which would seem to be intimidating to new members.

2- 2 hasnt been here all that long and as such we know 3 has a lot more experience for one, and of course its evident 3 is more mature. theres not much to say on this matter, 3's superiorities to 2 are quite obvious so i wont go on.

4- Someone who has Run-ins with staff doesnt seem to be a good idea for the type of person to be working with them. 4 seems like the person who would abuse thier power just a few too many times for the sake of humour and the role of ck should be taken serious at most times. There is also nothing in 4's description to imply he is helpful to the community beyond providing spam like entertainment, unlike 3 who as mentioned, is helpful.

5- The main point 3 has over 5 is the activity level. 5's bursts of low activity and high activity dont seem to be all too apealing, an inactive ck would be ineffective and lose pace with the happenings of the forum and the community. This person in my opinion is more deserving of a "recognised member" title rather than a ck title. As mentioned 5 avoids confrontation and it would be harder to figure out a way to confront someone when you only get to know the community in bursts.

Peegee
04-07-2008, 03:15 PM
So it looks like those who sided with 3 tend to think that members are like contestant 1 come off as an ogre or has isolated the new members. That does make sense. Also the eccentric personality might not work in contestant 1's favor.

I will have to wait for Crossblades to decide if he wants to change his vote. The reason I chose one over three is that contestant one will have a more active presence in the forum. I have reacted oddly to announcements of CKs that I don't know much about. Number three only posts in general gaming which is pretty popular but not a place I frequent.

If I were to remove my bias, which I really should, I may bump contestant three up a little, but I'm still not convinced that contestant one is worse off. My analysis put contestant one above three for the reason that s/he would be more willing to approach the staff about issues and concerns, almost immediately. Contestant three would probably be able to do that depending on personality, but I'm taking too many points off for only staying active in one forum.

edit: also Contestant three doesn't participate much in forum events. The entire category we decided to judge these individuals by (community spirit) is hampered by this.

Jigsaw
04-07-2008, 04:53 PM
I'm not saying you have to, but it would be simpler if Jigsaw were to vote 1 and 3, just to break the tie.As I said in my earlier post, I would be happy with voting for either 3 or 4, so I will vote for 3 to end this tie situation. I do think this is the right choice. The gaming forums are where newer members will mostly post, and it's good to have a responsible Cid's Knight posting there to set an example.

KentaRawr!
04-07-2008, 04:57 PM
While 5 isn't always on, he has helped the community in the past, and becoming a CK will help him help the community even more, so my vote stays in 5.

Captain Maxx Power
04-07-2008, 05:20 PM
Don't feel pressured to change your vote just to cover a tie or to fall in line. If your vote doesn't count towards who is decided then don't worry about it.

Also when we decide who to select, does anyone want to write the reason why with our collected thoughts? It will be easier for them to post the main reasons we've decided on to select whomever we choose, us to agree/disagree with the points, and then that person then type it up.

Araciel
04-07-2008, 07:35 PM
Lol let's suggest that all five candidates are too closely matched for different reasons, and that they should have a reality show-like challenge in which to prove themselves xD

Peegee
04-07-2008, 08:45 PM
Lol let's suggest that all five candidates are too closely matched for different reasons, and that they should have a reality show-like challenge in which to prove themselves xD

We'll need a subforum for them to post. And a private forum for each of them to post in. The hard thing is to set up proper permissioning. I don't think this forum supports an infinite amount of random permissions assigned per tier or per person. Let's just ask them what they think and if they have any good ideas!

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 08:50 PM
Lol let's suggest that all five candidates are too closely matched for different reasons, and that they should have a reality show-like challenge in which to prove themselves xDIt would be a good closing joke

Have we decided yet?
it looks like 3 has 5 votes so its got 50% of the votes. It's not a majority but unless everyone else votes 1 or 5 or someone in 3 changes their vote were going with 3

Peegee
04-07-2008, 09:02 PM
Okay back on track:

The current tally:

Candidate 1; (2) Crossblades, Pureghetto
Candidate 2; (0)
Candidate 3; (4) Captain Maxx Power, Dynast-Kid, Araciel, blackmage_nuke
Candidate 4; (0)
Candidate 5; (2) Chaos Is The Key, Kentarou

I still have no heard from Crossblades (will try to contact after this post) to confirm final votes, and then we can quickly discuss reasons. I have already given my reasons. I am staying with them.

Crossblades
04-07-2008, 09:09 PM
I'm still sticking with my vote for Candidate #1. Sorry for not posting sooner, I've had a busy day ><

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 09:10 PM
Okay back on track:

The current tally:

Candidate 1; (2) Crossblades, Pureghetto
Candidate 2; (0)
Candidate 3; (4) Captain Maxx Power, Dynast-Kid, Araciel, blackmage_nuke
Candidate 4; (0)
Candidate 5; (2) Chaos Is The Key, Kentarou

I still have no heard from Crossblades (will try to contact after this post) to confirm final votes, and then we can quickly discuss reasons. I have already given my reasons. I am staying with them.



I'm not saying you have to, but it would be simpler if Jigsaw were to vote 1 and 3, just to break the tie.As I said in my earlier post, I would be happy with voting for either 3 or 4, so I will vote for 3 to end this tie situation. I do think this is the right choice. The gaming forums are where newer members will mostly post, and it's good to have a responsible Cid's Knight posting there to set an example.
Jigsaw says 3

I'd be happy to write out a draft reason now using everyone elses currently made suggestions which can be edited by everyone else to include any new ideas that comes up in the next few hours

I change my mind, unfortunately im pressed for time right now

BG-57
04-07-2008, 09:12 PM
Candidate #2: Tends to spam. That's not a good example for staff to be setting.

Psychotic's a pretty decent CK, if you ask me. :monster:

I wasn't singling anyone out with that comment. But spamming is setting a bad example, no matter who does it.

As for the candidates I feel safe in suggesting we can eliminate #2 and #4 (who I had serious reservations about anyway). Honestly I could live with any of the remaining three: all have something to bring to the table. It's just a question of which strengths are the most important and which drawbacks are the least serious.

In terms of experience it runs #1, #3, and #5.
In terms of activity none are ideal. All either have a preference of a particular area or bursts of activity. I don't think any has a deal-breaking deficit here.
In terms of attitude again no-one is ideal.
In terms of interaction, the lack of #1's interaction with newbies is a handicap, although certainly correctable. #3 is respected and helpful and #5 is well liked.

I think respect and helpfulness should count more than popularity. So although #1 has spent more time on the forum, #3 has traits I feel would best serve the community.

So I vote #3.

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 09:21 PM
Candidate 1; (2) Crossblades, Pureghetto
Candidate 2; (0)
Candidate 3; (6) Captain Maxx Power, Dynast-Kid, Araciel, blackmage_nuke, BG-57, Jigsaw
Candidate 4; (0)
Candidate 5; (2) Chaos Is The Key, Kentarou

Thats 60% to 3. Looks like a majority

BG-57
04-07-2008, 09:23 PM
I think making a compilation is a good idea. Need any help?

Peegee
04-07-2008, 09:23 PM
Tally:

Candidate 1; (2) Crossblades, Pureghetto
Candidate 2; (0)
Candidate 3; (6) Captain Maxx Power, Dynast-Kid, Araciel, blackmage_nuke, Jigsaw, BG-57
Candidate 4; (0)
Candidate 5; (2) Chaos Is The Key, Kentarou

How do we want to proceed for now? We have little over 3.5 hours to write up our conclusions.

I suggest first of all -- is anybody strongly against choosing Candidate 3? Speak now or forever hold your peace, and all that.

As stated above my reasons for valuing one over three stem from my bias for veterans and Candidate's three's tendency to only post in one forum, but this turns out to not be really that big a deal, upon reflection. One and three don't post in every forum, but five does. However I ruled out five when compared to one and three -- also I suggested that posting in too many forums actively can be troublesome to manage. It's one thing to post like a madman, it's another to be the Warden of your asylum.

So I suppose you can say I have a very weak/weak vote against three.

I however have a medium vote against five, because I don't think somebody that active can maintain moderation duties as effectively as somebody who is more focused upon a small set of forums.


I think making a compilation is a good idea. Need any help?

A compilation would help summarize everything and what we each though of that particular candidate. However how will we proceed with the final decision?

BG-57
04-07-2008, 09:33 PM
I think we reached a majority on who we want to select.

Shouldn't we be focusing on a rationale of why we selected Candidate #3?

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 09:34 PM
Someone should write up a summary now and then we should post ideas on improvements to this answer. Then when there is an hour left or so someone will edit the original answer to include the improvements. THat way we dont have people coming from all sides changing parts of the answer in an unorganised fashion.

BG-57
04-07-2008, 09:35 PM
I can do that.

Captain Maxx Power
04-07-2008, 09:38 PM
I can do that.

Excellent. I'm thinking we've reached a decision for 3 so now we should get around to sorting out the reasons why. I'd concentrate on the qualities we'd feel make them suitable to be a CK, how they compare favourably compared to the other candidates, and possibly a "personal plan" as to how we would encourage them to be the best CK they can.

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 09:40 PM
I started one but i realised i'd have no time to finish it so you dont have to use it but just take suggestions from it:

Candidate three is the choice that team 3SD has come up with.

Candidate three seems to be a well-rounded and safe choice for ck, his/her positive aspects outweigh his negative aspects and it’s easy to see how he/she would benefit the community. Three also holds a strong advantage over all the other candidates in several aspects including history, activity, personality and community spirit.

We immediately rule out two as a potential ck, due to their spammy nature. The time they have been at Eoff also works against them, having been a member for less than one year, his immaturity is no doubt a extremely detrimental quality in a ck. This is not the type of example a ck should be setting

Though it is true three only posts in the gaming forums, this flaw can be applied to candidates one and four who only post in the general forums. - paragraph not finished

BG-57
04-07-2008, 09:47 PM
Sorry for leaving out the feedback of people who voted for someone else.

If someone wants me to include more detailed feedback let me know.


None of the candidates are perfect, but to me 3 is the best. Activity needn't be massive for a CK to be able to moderate successfully, and we need someone who is level-headed and smart rather than someone who is just liked by the community. 3 of course is liked which is a bonus, with the only issues being their lack of activity in the general forums which could easily be rectified after their indoctrination.


But anyways, I looked over all the information, and my first choice would probably be Candidate #3. Even though he's not very active in General, it would be great to have a CK focused mainly on the gaming aspects of the forums, and not just being liked and participating in forum activities.


Then I think 3 is pretty well-suited to the job.


1- Even though 1 has been here longer, three years is a sufficient amount of time to know all the rules and understand the way a ck should act, whether 1 has been here two more years that 3 or four more years really shouldnt make a difference. Avoiding the general forums means 3 probably doesnt have as strong a social connection with the community but as mentioned he is 'well respected' and we know people already listen to 3's advice. A veteran would send out a more authoritative dominant role which would seem to be intimidating to new members.

2- 2 hasnt been here all that long and as such we know 3 has a lot more experience for one, and of course its evident 3 is more mature. theres not much to say on this matter, 3's superiorities to 2 are quite obvious so i wont go on.

4- Someone who has Run-ins with staff doesnt seem to be a good idea for the type of person to be working with them. 4 seems like the person who would abuse thier power just a few too many times for the sake of humour and the role of ck should be taken serious at most times. There is also nothing in 4's description to imply he is helpful to the community beyond providing spam like entertainment, unlike 3 who as mentioned, is helpful.

5- The main point 3 has over 5 is the activity level. 5's bursts of low activity and high activity dont seem to be all too apealing, an inactive ck would be ineffective and lose pace with the happenings of the forum and the community. This person in my opinion is more deserving of a "recognised member" title rather than a ck title. As mentioned 5 avoids confrontation and it would be harder to figure out a way to confront someone when you only get to know the community in bursts.


In terms of experience it runs #1, #3, and #5.
In terms of activity none are ideal. All either have a preference of a particular area or bursts of activity. I don't think any has a deal-breaking deficit here.
In terms of attitude again no-one is ideal.
In terms of interaction, the lack of #1's interaction with newbies is a handicap, although certainly correctable. #3 is respected and helpful and #5 is well liked.

I think respect and helpfulness should count more than popularity. So although #1 has spent more time on the forum, #3 has traits I feel would best serve the community.


#3.

EDIT: Did Jigsaw and Araciel ever elaborate on their reasoning?

Dynast-Kid
04-07-2008, 09:48 PM
Wow, guys, this is looking great! Sorry, I was at school...

Is there anything you all want me to do!? I don't feel like i've been very helpful lately, even though it hasn't been my fault, but still.

Also, how much longer do we have for this challenge!?

BG-57
04-07-2008, 09:52 PM
Sure you can help us condense our reasoning for selecting candidate three.

5 PM PST, if memory serves.

EDIT: blackmage_nuke, you summary is very helpful.

EDIT2: Here's the second draft of the summary. Green text has been altered:

After careful consideration Team 3SD has selected Candidate #3 as our choice for Cid's Knight.

Several candidates were eliminated early from consideration, mainly due to issues with spamming or personality conflicts.

Candidate #3 seems to be a well-rounded and safe choice for ck, his/her positive aspects outweigh his negative aspects and itís easy to see how he/she would benefit the community. Three also holds a strong advantage over all the other candidates in several aspects including history, activity, personality and community spirit.

Though it is true three only posts in the gaming forums, this flaw can be applied to candidates one and four who only post in the general forums.

Araciel
04-07-2008, 10:01 PM
They're all good. The reason I choose 3 is because of the amount of time it's been on the site.

Doesn't post a lot in General=ok since there are many who do already.

Well-known and respected in Gaming, which can translate to everywhere.

Calm and low-key is always good, and since I hardly participate in events, I can empathize with that too.

BG-57
04-07-2008, 10:07 PM
Here's the third draft of the summary. Green text has been altered:

After careful consideration Team 3SD has selected Candidate #3 as our choice for Cid's Knight.

Several candidates were eliminated early from consideration, mainly due to issues with spamming (#2) or personality conflicts (#4).

While we feel that the remaining candidates all could bring some real benefits to the site, Candidate #3 stood out as bringing the best qualities and the least disadvantages.

This well respected candidate has been active for a number of years, and has a reputation for being helpful. We feel these are important qualities for a Cid's Knight to possess, although popularity and friendliness can also be important, albeit secondary, qualities.

Candidate #3 seems to be a well-rounded and safe choice for ck, his/her positive aspects outweigh his negative aspects and itís easy to see how he/she would benefit the community. Three also holds a strong advantage over all the other candidates in several aspects including history, activity, personality and community spirit.

Though it is true three only posts in the gaming forums, this flaw can be applied to candidates one and four who only post in the general forums.

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 10:12 PM
I dont think a summary of our reason is the best choice, it would be much better to have a 'detailed response'
Include reasons on why 3 is better than each of the other candidates. and analyse how 3's positive aspects would be good to the community.

It's not like we've been given a max word limit so the more we write and the more ideas we have the better

Dynast-Kid
04-07-2008, 10:17 PM
I thought it would be better if we added more detail and depth to it! Tell me what you think.



After careful consideration, Team 3SD has selected Candidate #3 as our choice for Cid's Knight.

Several candidates were eliminated early from consideration, mainly due to issues with spamming (#2) or personality conflicts (#4).

While we feel that the remaining candidates all could bring some real benefits to the site, Candidate #3 stood out as bringing the best qualities and the least disadvantages.

Candidate #3 seems to be a well-rounded and safe choice for CK, his/her positive aspects outweigh their negative aspects and itís easy to see how he/she would benefit the community. Candidate Three also holds a strong advantage over all the other candidates in several aspects including history, activity, personality and community spirit.

Candidate Three, being a member for 3 years, has come to know EoFF's do's & dont's like they would the back of their hand. #3's activity is focused primarily in the gaming forums. This may be considered a drawback, but Team 3SD believes that with the ample amounts of Cid's Knights already in the general forums, a CK with emphasis in gaming would be a very nice touch.

Candidate Three also gains major points with their personality. They posess a calm, and low-key demeanor, which prevents anyone from being inaccurately afraid or intimidated of this gentle member. Candidate Three doesn't dabble too much in the forum events and games, but we as a team feel that that has little to do in affecting #3's modding abilities. Candidate 3's general respected reputation and wise energies also help to contribute to this member's overall modding capabilities.

Though it is true Candidate Three only posts in the gaming forums, this flaw can be applied to Candidates One and Four who only post in the general forums. Thusly, Team 3SD wishes to vouch for Candidate #3.

EDIT: Hmm, I kinda like blackmage_nuke's idea!

BG-57
04-07-2008, 10:17 PM
We can expand and add to it. I thought a summary could make the core of a larger response.

EDIT: I wanted to get an overall structure before we add. Should we have a pararagh for each major point? Activity, history and the like?

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 10:25 PM
Yes and a paragraph for every other candidate to compare 3 to.

BG-57
04-07-2008, 10:26 PM
Who's doing the writing?

EDIT: In other words, is somebody writing while somebody else edits?

EDIT2:

So like this?

PI: Introduction
PII: History
PIII: Activity
PIV: Personality
PV: Community Spirit
PVI: C#1
PVII: C#2
PVIII: C#4
PIX: C#5
PX: Conclusion

Dynast-Kid
04-07-2008, 10:51 PM
Who's doing the writing?

EDIT: In other words, is somebody writing while somebody else edits?

EDIT2:

So like this?

PI: Introduction
PII: History
PIII: Activity
PIV: Personality
PV: Community Spirit
PVI: C#1
PVII: C#2
PVIII: C#4
PIX: C#5
PX: Conclusion

Wow, looks like I have to leave the house...again. :rolleyes2 Friggin' sucks. I should be back in a few hours....I'll definitely do any necessary editing when I get back!

But I don't know if we want it that long!

BG-57
04-07-2008, 10:55 PM
I'll start with the separate paragragh for each category, if there are no objections.

blackmage_nuke
04-07-2008, 10:56 PM
We have less than 2.5-2 hours left, and I have to leave for an exam. Just write and hopefully someone will come along to edit.

I have no objections

Captain Maxx Power
04-07-2008, 10:57 PM
Compact it so that you still cover the main areas, but also compare #3 to the other candidates i.e. When discussing history, point out positivities of #3 and the negativities/why #3 is better in terms of history against other members.

BG-57
04-07-2008, 11:22 PM
Here's the draft.


After careful consideration Team 3SD has selected Candidate #3 as our choice for Cid's Knight. Several candidates were eliminated early from consideration, mainly due to issues with spamming (#2) or personality conflicts (#4).
While we feel that the remaining candidates all could bring some real benefits to the site, Candidate #3 stood out in four areas:


History

Candidate #3 has a member for three years, long enough to know the site rules like the back of their hand. Other candidates have been active longer, but that in of itself is not an indicator of ability.


Activity

Candidate #3ís activity is focused primarily in the gaming forums. However the other remaining candidates also either preferred to post in a different area or the activity level was sporadic. This is not an insurmountable problem, as the candidate could increase activity in other forums, or take care of a particular area, as need be.


Personality

Candidate #3 also gains major points with their personality. Their calm and low-key demeanor would be an asset in dealing with conflict and dissention. The ability to mediate situations would be very helpful in promoting harmony among the members.


Community Spirit

This well respected candidate has a reputation for being helpful. These are important qualities for a Cid's Knight to possess. Other candidates are more popular or friendly, but these qualities are of secondary importance.

In conclusion Candidate #3 seems to be a well-rounded and logical choice for Cidís Knight, their positive aspects outweigh any negative aspects and itís easy to see how he/she would benefit the community.

I have to eat supper now. Captain, you and anyone else who wishes to can edit it in my absence. You have my vote of confidence. :)

I'll most likely be back within the hour.

Crossblades
04-07-2008, 11:32 PM
Who's doing the writing?

EDIT: In other words, is somebody writing while somebody else edits?

EDIT2:

So like this?

PI: Introduction
PII: History
PIII: Activity
PIV: Personality
PV: Community Spirit
PVI: C#1
PVII: C#2
PVIII: C#4
PIX: C#5
PX: Conclusion

This is a good idea. I support it =)

KentaRawr!
04-07-2008, 11:48 PM
I'll have a go at editing this thing, then. I edited Team Spirit a little, and added some font effects.


After careful consideration Team 3SD has selected Candidate #3 as our choice for Cid's Knight. Several candidates were eliminated early from consideration, mainly due to issues with spamming (#2) or personality conflicts (#4).
While we feel that the remaining candidates all could bring some real benefits to the site, Candidate #3 stood out in four areas:

History

Candidate #3 has a member for three years, long enough to know the site rules like the back of their hand. Other candidates have been active longer, but that in of itself is not an indicator of ability.


Activity

Candidate #3’s activity is focused primarily in the gaming forums. However the other remaining candidates also either preferred to post in a different area or the activity level was sporadic. This is not an insurmountable problem, as the candidate could increase activity in other forums, or take care of a particular area, as need be.


Personality

Candidate #3 also gains major points with their personality. Their calm and low-key demeanor would be an asset in dealing with conflict and dissention. The ability to mediate situations would be very helpful in promoting harmony among the members.


Community Spirit

This well respected candidate has a reputation for being helpful. These are important qualities for a Cid's Knight to possess. Other candidates are more popular or friendly, but these qualities are of secondary importance in comparison. A helpful member is much better suited for something that involves other people, such as being a CK.

In conclusion Candidate #3 seems to be a well-rounded and logical choice for Cid’s Knight, because their positive aspects outweigh any negative aspects we've seen and we think they'd make a good CK.

I didn't edit out the part about activity, but I do disagree with it. Being a CK isn't a job. They shouldn't need to feel obligated to view other forums just to adjust themselves to the fact that they're a CK.

BG-57
04-07-2008, 11:51 PM
I left some wriggle room in the language for either case.

Do we want to form a consensus in how we feel about the obligations of a CK on forum activity? We're running short of time.

KentaRawr!
04-07-2008, 11:58 PM
I don't think many of our members are on at the time, so it would be tough to do that. I think that if somebody besides myself agrees with what I said about activity, we should edit it, and try to replace that piece with something that no more than 1 person will disagree with.

BG-57
04-08-2008, 12:07 AM
I want to beef up the objections to #2 and #4 in the first paragraph.

Would just removing , as the candidate could increase activity in other forums, or take care of a particular area, as needed be adequate? Or is the tone of the whole paragraph that's the problem?

Any other additions anyone feels strongly about?

KentaRawr!
04-08-2008, 12:16 AM
Here's another edit, coming up!


After careful consideration Team 3SD has selected Candidate #3 as our choice for Cid's Knight. Several candidates were eliminated early from consideration, such as 2 and 4.

With Candidate number 2, we thought that having a common spammer of a moderator might not be a good idea, even if it's positive in nature or intent. Spamming is something that is something moderators normally frown upon, and they likely break some rules for the sake of fun every once in a while, which can become troublesome for others in the staff.

With candidate number 4, they've gotten in arguments with the staff before, and have claimed to be anti-staff in the past. While they have changed over time, they could still end up making conflicts with the current staff, which sometimes leads to very bad things for the site.

While we feel that the remaining candidates all could bring some real benefits to the site, here is why we believe Candidate 3 to be the best choice:

History

Candidate #3 has a member for three years, long enough to know the site rules like the back of their hand. Other candidates have been active longer, but that in of itself is not an indicator of ability.


Activity

Candidate #3’s activity is focused primarily in the gaming forums. However, the other remaining candidates also either preferred to post in a different area, or they were rarely on at all, so we don't feel that they're preference of the gaming forum to be a problem in comparison to the other candidates.


Personality

Candidate #3 also gains major points with their personality. Their calm and low-key demeanor would be an asset in dealing with conflict and dissention. The ability to mediate situations would be very helpful in promoting harmony among the members.


Community Spirit

This well respected candidate has a reputation for being helpful. These are important qualities for a Cid's Knight to possess. Other candidates are more popular or friendly, but these qualities are of secondary importance in comparison. A helpful member is much better suited for something that involves other people, such as being a CK.

In conclusion Candidate #3 seems to be a well-rounded and logical choice for Cid’s Knight, because their positive aspects outweigh any negative aspects we've seen and we think they'd make a good CK.

What do you think of my edits? :3

BG-57
04-08-2008, 12:19 AM
Sounds good to me. :)

Any other fine tuning that needs doing?

Araciel
04-08-2008, 12:20 AM
Looks good to me.

KentaRawr!
04-08-2008, 12:20 AM
I've made enough edits. I think you should give a go at editing that thing! :p

BG-57
04-08-2008, 12:24 AM
Are you talking to Araciel or me?

Captain Maxx Power
04-08-2008, 12:26 AM
I've had a look over and I'm confident we've explained ourselves and then some. I'm happy to have this submitted.

BG-57
04-08-2008, 12:28 AM
I second that emotion! Shall we run this baby?

KentaRawr!
04-08-2008, 12:32 AM
Are you talking to Araciel or me?

I meant you, but I missed Araciel's post.

I've barely seen Araciel in our thread, now that I think about it! That stinks.

Anyway, I'm perfectly fine with submitting this. It explains our reasoning well.

Crossblades
04-08-2008, 12:37 AM
Read the edit. Pretty spiffy =)

BG-57
04-08-2008, 12:39 AM
That's 4 for 4. I don't see anyone else of our happy crew online.

Anyone on IM who isn't on here?

EDIT: How do we submit? Just post a final draft in the last post?

EDIT2: I missed Araciel's blessing. That's half of us.

KentaRawr!
04-08-2008, 12:41 AM
I have an AIM (Rappyhunter9), a YIM (whitemage_nico) and an MSN (Kentarou@live.com), and I only have Maxx registered, sadly.

Jigsaw
04-08-2008, 12:42 AM
Make it 5. I think this is good to be submitted!

EDIT: 6! Hi Araciel.

Araciel
04-08-2008, 12:42 AM
Looks good to me.

Looks good to me.

BG-57
04-08-2008, 12:44 AM
Yeah, sorry we keep missing you. :p

KentaRawr!
04-08-2008, 12:45 AM
Post more and get a picture signature. Then we'll notice. :monster:

Captain Maxx Power
04-08-2008, 12:49 AM
I think everyone's just a bit frantic right now. Everyone's done a really good job, especially BG-57 for doing the majority of the writing/organization for this in such a short space of time. :cool:

BG-57
04-08-2008, 12:55 AM
Post more and get a picture signature. Then we'll notice. :monster:

Especially anything involving FFVI, FFXII, Seiken Densetsu, Pokemon or Zero Wing. ;)


I think everyone's just a bit frantic right now. Everyone's done a really good job, especially BG-57 for doing the majority of the writing/organization for this in such a short space of time. :cool:

I think you deserve some kudos as well Captain for showing strong leadership skills.

Thanks to everyone else as well. We couldn't have done it without your help.

KentaRawr!
04-08-2008, 12:57 AM
<del>Now let's all play counterstrike and eat cake while we wait to watch another team advance! :monster:</del>

Edit: Okay, that's just about the worst way to end this thread. It was great working with you guys, and I do have high hopes for our team advancing.

Tasura
04-08-2008, 01:10 AM
I second, or third, or fourth, or whatever number we're at. It looks good to me.

Araciel
04-08-2008, 01:11 AM
Post more and get a picture signature. Then we'll notice. :monster:

Especially anything involving FFVI, FFXII, Seiken Densetsu, Pokemon or Zero Wing. ;)

How about D&D?

Also, /crosses fingers,toes and eyes.

BG-57
04-08-2008, 01:14 AM
Sure, roll that D20! :D

That makes 7 out of 10. Enough for a simple and even 2/3 majority.