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Rye
06-04-2008, 11:40 AM
http://img.timeinc.net/time/time100/2007/images/barack_obama.jpg

I am so pleased. I can't wait to tell all my BaracK Obama luvin' friends. :bigsmile:

White Raven
06-04-2008, 11:58 AM
Now just to see if Clinton will get her ego under control and accept to be running mates.

Madame Adequate
06-04-2008, 01:51 PM
Now just to see if Clinton will get her ego under control and accept to be running mates.

Dear God, I hope not. She needs to just exit the political scene. Like, forever.

Tavrobel
06-04-2008, 01:56 PM
I agree with MILF. She doesn't need to be the running mate, though as it would appear, that is a viable option. However, I think Obama would benefit more from someone who is either from the Western States or the South. It's now a matter of getting all the votes possible, and there's no need to alienate anyone. McCain seems to have had more time in considering a running mate, but then again, we've got what, two more months before a decision? As for Hillary's fate, that's going to have to be decided by the main players now in the Democratic Party. I don't care what happens to her, as long as she's not vindictive enough, and gives her support base to Obama.

By the way, I like my coffee with cream and sugar. The thread subtopic is now whether you like coffee with cream or sugar. Politics can wait until you are awake.

Vyk
06-04-2008, 05:31 PM
Coffee sounds good...

Maybe tea. Mm!

I'm with MILF. Clinton seemed like a very... Republican Democrat. I'm not sexist towards politics. But she's not the gal we need. And I've nothing against a black president. So nyah

Necronopticous
06-04-2008, 05:40 PM
Hope you guys watched his speech last night.

Hazzard
06-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Hope you guys watched his speech last night.

Do you have a link to it? I'm curious...

rubah
06-04-2008, 06:11 PM
so uh, they picked him? that's cool.

maybe he'll pick ron paul to be his running mate!

Rye
06-04-2008, 06:39 PM
Hope you guys watched his speech last night.

I'm afraid I missed it. What was it like?

smittenkitten
06-04-2008, 06:59 PM
I think thatguy looks cool, I was watchign him today on the tv. He kept thanking people and in the end he was like "I also thank my Grandmother". I roffle waffled. :p

Psychotic
06-04-2008, 07:11 PM
I said this in the last thread about this nonsense, but I hope Obama loses. He won't, but if he did, the reactions of the internet will be priceless. I will live on their tears for weeks.

Shoeberto
06-04-2008, 07:12 PM
so uh, they picked him? that's cool.

maybe he'll pick ron paul to be his running mate!
Technically I think he's still just the 'presumptive' one, since the convention won't happen for a while. He has the delegates, though, to have secured it.

Hillary hasn't stepped down yet though.


Hope you guys watched his speech last night.

I'm afraid I missed it. What was it like?
I didn't see it, but you can read a transcript here
Obama's speech on the occasion of becoming the presumptive Democratic nominee for the President of the United States (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Americablog/~3/304165777/obamas-speech-on-occasion-of-becoming.html)
It's very inspiring.

I really hope he doesn't take Clinton on as VP. All of the stuff that's happened during the primaries has destroyed her credibility as a candidate and I doubt she could be trusted in office.

Madame Adequate
06-04-2008, 07:13 PM
I said this in the last thread about this nonsense, but I hope Obama loses. He won't, but if he did, the reactions of the internet will be priceless. I will live on their tears for weeks.

I, too, want the most powerful country in the world to elect the poorer choice, solely on the basis that I would laugh :monster:

Psychotic
06-04-2008, 07:16 PM
Yeah, just like electing Bush was the poorer choice because he was going to drop nukes on Iran and North Korea and stuff.

...Oh.

I'll let you in on a little secret: Clinton, Obama and McCain are exactly the same.

XxSephirothxX
06-04-2008, 07:20 PM
The chances of Clinton being VP are slim. Especially after that http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif she pulled last night.

Saying Clinton and Obama are the same is one thing; their policies are similar. But McCain? That's total horse http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif.

Shoeberto
06-04-2008, 07:21 PM
I said this in the last thread about this nonsense, but I hope Obama loses. He won't, but if he did, the reactions of the internet will be priceless. I will live on their tears for weeks.

I, too, want the most powerful country in the world to elect the poorer choice, solely on the basis that I would laugh :monster:
I was going to say something along those lines, but instead I made lunch :monster:

Yeah, just like electing Bush was the poorer choice because he was going to drop nukes on Iran and North Korea and stuff.

...Oh.

I'll let you in on a little secret: Clinton, Obama and McCain are exactly the same.
No.

Everything about that... just, no.

Dreddz
06-04-2008, 07:23 PM
Obama still seems to represent the typical patriotic American who thinks that his country is Earths last hopes (he honestly said that). He wants to keep the American mentality that there the best, and that for a start shows that America is going nowhere. Im happier that he secured the Democratic nominee but at least Hilary didnt spend every oppotunity she had to get up on stage and say America just to give everyone a reason to scream at the top of their voice.

Psychotic
06-04-2008, 07:27 PM
Hey if you guys want to believe that they're not all about middle of the road catch-all policies designed to get votes and secure political funding then go for it.

Rye
06-04-2008, 07:28 PM
so uh, they picked him? that's cool.

maybe he'll pick ron paul to be his running mate!
Technically I think he's still just the 'presumptive' one, since the convention won't happen for a while. He has the delegates, though, to have secured it.

Hillary hasn't stepped down yet though.


Hope you guys watched his speech last night.

I'm afraid I missed it. What was it like?
I didn't see it, but you can read a transcript here
Obama's speech on the occasion of becoming the presumptive Democratic nominee for the President of the United States (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Americablog/~3/304165777/obamas-speech-on-occasion-of-becoming.html)
It's very inspiring.

I really hope he doesn't take Clinton on as VP. All of the stuff that's happened during the primaries has destroyed her credibility as a candidate and I doubt she could be trusted in office.

That was incredibly inspiring, and classy, at that. I appreciate classiness.

XxSephirothxX
06-04-2008, 07:32 PM
It's better seen than read, I'm sure. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9vZOtJhfwrY&feature=related) I don't know if it's quite as good as his Iowa speech (http://youtube.com/watch?v=PY9JGA3KJVQ), but it was still pretty great.

Tavrobel
06-04-2008, 07:32 PM
Hey if you guys want to believe that they're not all about middle of the road catch-all policies designed to get votes and secure political funding then go for it.

Umm, they aren't. McCain has been quite loud about wanting to prolong military operations in the Gulf. That's definitely not middle of the road. That'll catch you about 40% of the American population, if that. On the other side of the spectrum, Obama is basing most of his campaign on change in the weather of politics. That's not very status quo, that's pretty exactly NOT the middle of the road. He's driving on the shoulder and cutting off the police officer. And Hillary? Okay, you can have her as being middle of the road with policies for "everyone." You can have her.

Shoeberto
06-04-2008, 07:37 PM
Hey if you guys want to believe that they're not all about middle of the road catch-all policies designed to get votes and secure political funding then go for it.
You seem to be ignoring how they feel about the issues and also the fact that Clinton is a plain-faced liar. (yes okay all politicians are liars hur hur but she said things to stir up support that were just complete fabrications)

But McCain has been http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif crazy lately. He used to be more of a moderate, but anymore he's changing all of his previously stated positions to line up with the Bush administration policy. Which would basically mean four more years of war (and war profiteering), becoming more of a police state, fear tactics, etc.


Dreddz: I haven't noticed that so much. I'd imagine anything like that would probably be trying to get back from all the backlash he received from such unpatriotic things as
1) Not wearing a flag lapel pin
2) I don't know what else
But on the whole, like I said, I haven't seen it. I might just be numb to it by now with how everyone spouts it.

Freya
06-04-2008, 07:39 PM
Don't hate me for saying this, and i'm not trying to disrespect him or anything but he reminds me of Hitler o.o I don't know what he supports but damn he talks pretty. Don't get me wrong I like him, will probably vote for him but I don't know why....

Old Manus
06-04-2008, 07:46 PM
Murphy's Law

/thread

Rye
06-04-2008, 07:48 PM
But our policy has not been of much use to us as far as other countries are concerned. Only a few months ago honorable British citizens felt they must make a protest to us for detaining in a concentration camp one of the most criminal subjects of Moscow. [Presumably Herr von Ossietzky, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize.] I do not know whether these honorable men have also protested against the slaying and burning of tens of thousands of men, women, and children in Spain. We are assured that the number of people slain in Spain is 170,000. On this basis we would have had the right to murder 400,000 to 500,000 people in the Nazi Revolution!

The National Socialist program replaces the liberalistic conception of the individual by the conception of a people bound by their blood to the soil. Of all the tasks with which we are confronted, it is the grandest and most sacred task of man to preserve his race. This will not lead to an estrangement of the nations; on the contrary, it will lead for the first time to a mutual understanding. It will also prevent the Jewish people from trying to disintegrate and dominate other people under the mask of an innocent bourgeoisie.


BEHIND every murder stood the same power which is responsible for this murder; behind these harmless insignificant fellow-countrymen who were instigated and incited to crime stands the hate-filled power of our Jewish foe, a foe to whom we had done no harm, but who none the less sought to subjugate our German people and make of it its slave - the foe who is responsible for all the misfortune that fell upon us in 1918, for all the misfortune which plagued Germany in the years that followed. Those members of the Party and honorable comrades of ours all fell, and the same fate was planned for others: many hundreds survived as cripples or severely wounded, blinded or lamed; more than 40,000 others were injured. And among them were so many loyal folk whom we all knew and who were near and dear to us, of whom we were sure that they could never do any harm to anyone, that they had never done any harm to anyone, whose only crime was that they devoted themselves to the cause of Germany.


For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

[...]


I would not be running for President if I didn't believe with all my heart that this is what the vast majority of Americans want for this country. This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected. And today, whenever I find myself feeling doubtful or cynical about this possibility, what gives me the most hope is the next generation - the young people whose attitudes and beliefs and openness to change have already made history in this election.

Freya
06-04-2008, 07:55 PM
I love how you hopped on that Rye :D 'Cept i was more of talking about policies rather than just race. Also I was refering to the subject of how millions of Germans didn't know what was going on during the holocaust. Sorry I didn't specify for ya honey. But we're not talking about the exact thing and comparing the two of them in this thread. I was merely stating the fact that from the way Obama talks I can't gather much from him but it's inspirational.

Psychotic
06-04-2008, 08:04 PM
Yeah, okay, they differ on a couple of issues. Although I think what everyone is saying about McCain's views on Iraq are being sensationalised. Here's a quote from the man himself.

The following are conditions I intend to achieve. ... By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. The Iraq War has been won. ... The United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role."

He wants the same thing Obama does - less US troops in Iraq, and no more fighting there. He just wants it done less rapidly than Obama does. That hardly makes him a crazy warmonger.

But let's look at other issues. Where do all three stand on the economy? Apparently they plan to strengthen the middle classes. Where do they stand on climate change? They all support a mandatory cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions. Where do they stand on immigration? They all support a path to legalisation for illegal immigrants that includes learning English and paying fines. Iran? They all think tighter sanctions should be imposed, international co-operation utilised, and none have ruled out military action.

The thing I will say about McCain is that he apparently wants to overturn Roe vs. Wade and yeah that makes him a bit of a nutter in my eyes.

I think I will end up this post with a quote that sums all of this up perfectly: Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

Ouch!
06-04-2008, 08:04 PM
I love how you hopped on that Rye :D 'Cept i was more of talking about policies rather than just race. Also I was refering to the subject of how millions of Germans didn't know what was going on during the holocaust. Sorry I didn't specify for ya honey. But we're not talking about the exact thing and comparing the two of them in this thread. I was mere stating the fact that from the way Obama talks I can't gather much from him but it's inspirational.
Rye's quotes are not exclusively focused on race. If you can't see that simply by reading the quotes from the respective speeches, there's really not use trying to explain it. Obama is fairly explicit in his intended policies. Perhaps you should read through his victory speech posted in this thread. If you can't gather much about his platform after that... well, I don't know what to say.

Freya
06-04-2008, 08:09 PM
I love how you hopped on that Rye :D 'Cept i was more of talking about policies rather than just race. Also I was refering to the subject of how millions of Germans didn't know what was going on during the holocaust. Sorry I didn't specify for ya honey. But we're not talking about the exact thing and comparing the two of them in this thread. I was mere stating the fact that from the way Obama talks I can't gather much from him but it's inspirational.
Rye's quotes are not exclusively focused on race. If you can't see that simply by reading the quotes from the respective speeches, there's really not use trying to explain it. Obama is fairly explicit in his intended policies. Perhaps you should read through his victory speech posted in this thread. If you can't gather much about his platform after that... well, I don't know what to say.

Honey, she added one in there as I was typing xD As a person who isn't really into politics listening to a really long speech where the first ten minutes are how great it was getting this far..... yeah i'm gonna close that.

And dear god i'm not bashing the guy, i'm gonna freaking vote for him and I was going to from the start. I was just trying to bring the point that he's persuasive like Hitler was. I wasn't saying he was going to kill off a bunch of people or anything. Just saying he has the power to sway the people.

EDIT: nor do I want to read it. It looked too long. and I'm lazy

Clouded Sky
06-04-2008, 08:20 PM
Yeah, okay, they differ on a couple of issues. Although I think what everyone is saying about McCain's views on Iraq are being sensationalised.

Oh, right. McCain knows what he's talking about. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c):rolleyes2

Anyway, I can't tell you how excited I am for Obama to have gotten the necessary delegates. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, though I'm not sure how much he can change, he seems to have the biggest drive of any candidate to actually try to change things. After 8 years of idiocy, change would be nice.

Additionally, it would be stupid for Obama to pick HRC as his VP candidate. Approx 50% of voters have a negative view of Clinton (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/04/uselections2008), some of those enough so that people would not vote for Obama, and a lot of Clinton supporters dislike Obama so much that even if she was teh VP they wouldn't vote democratic.

Rantz
06-04-2008, 08:28 PM
This subject seems pretty loaded from the replies in this thread. The only thing missing is someone quoting Manus and bashing Murphy's law. :)

Heath
06-04-2008, 08:30 PM
Psychotic is absolutely right and I agree with him entirely. Obama and Clinton differ very little. I think I too would chuckle to myself slightly if Obama lost, but I don't actively hope for it. I'd rather Obama won, but merely because I prefer him to McCain. However, I think McCain will win. I've said several times that I've grown sick and tired of all the Obama lovin' Clinton hatin' on the Internet and I can't be bothered to go into it again, quite frankly. However, I still see Obama as being very much like David Cameron. There's a lot of style, a lot of nice words and a lot of good ideas there, but very few policies to back those up. Change is a great thing and I think it's something American (and indeed Britain) needs, but so far I'm seeing little more than a word. Different than Bush, certainly. But politics run and pursued differently? I'm fairly doubtful.

Psychotic
06-04-2008, 08:36 PM
Oh, right. McCain knows what he's talking about. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c):rolleyes2All politicans contradict themselves. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wj4gMsejRsY) It's pretty much unavoidable, really.
However, I still see Obama as being very much like David Cameron. There's a lot of style, a lot of nice words and a lot of good ideas there, but very few policies to back those up.Oh very much yes. Obama and Cameron are kindred spirits.

Also, EoFF, you are the worst. The laughing at Obama fanatics thing was a light-hearted throwaway comment and I trusted none of you to take it seriously, and now look how low you've made me sink. I'm debating politics on the internet.

In conclusion, Barack Hussein Obama is a crazy muslim terrist who will destroy our freedom and also I am pretty sure he sells crack to kids. Also, cats are vermin, anime sucks, and I hate gay marriage. :cool:

Rantz
06-04-2008, 08:40 PM
What's wrong with anime :mad2:

Clouded Sky
06-04-2008, 08:56 PM
Oh Psy, I love you. I will be very sad if McCain wins, but I can always move if that happens.

But seriously Paul,

anime sucks
YOU WIN!:D

Shoeberto
06-04-2008, 09:08 PM
In conclusion, Barack Hussein Obama is a crazy muslim terrist who will destroy our freedom and also I am pretty sure he sells crack to kids. Also, cats are vermin, anime sucks, and I hate gay marriage. :cool:
You picked the wrong saloon to pick a fight at, partner. These colors don't run.
http://www.expectnomore.net/images/AmericanFlag-Animated.gif
For the honor of my Cowboy Bebop DVD collection, I curse at you!

Psychotic
06-04-2008, 09:17 PM
Anime sucks because it's unrealistic. It's all in Japanese. Who the hell speaks Japanese? :confused:

Honestly...I think I would prefer Obama winning to McCain. But I do not think McCain is as bad as he is portrayed by the internet community. I do dig a couple of his policies.

NeoCracker
06-04-2008, 09:20 PM
In conclusion, Barack Hussein Obama is a crazy muslim terrist who will destroy our freedom and also I am pretty sure he sells crack to kids. Also, cats are vermin, anime sucks, and I hate gay marriage. :cool:
You picked the wrong saloon to pick a fight at, partner. These colors don't run.
http://www.expectnomore.net/images/AmericanFlag-Animated.gif
For the honor of my Cowboy Bebop DVD collection, I curse at you!

Thanks for reminding my over half my collection got jacked, and my Bebop was part of it. :cry: (Though oddly they didn't take the movie.)

For the Honor of my lost Bebop, and my near complete collection of Miyazaki, I shall join in the cursing.

Shoeberto
06-04-2008, 09:21 PM
Honestly...I think I would prefer Obama winning to McCain. But I do not think McCain is as bad as he is portrayed by the internet community. I do dig a couple of his policies.
I used to be a big fan of McCain, and I wonder if a lot of the stuff he's saying now is just a ruse to get the conservative vote so he can return to his old stances once he's in office. I mean, a once-POW who used to be staunchly anti-torture showing support during the water-boarding fiasco raises some eyebrows.

Old Manus
06-04-2008, 10:05 PM
I'm skeptical over the 'change' that all these politicians are promising to make happen immediately after they gain power. Gordon Brown didn't shut up about his 'Age of Change' when he was appointed, and now the recent bi-elections turned into more of a 'bye-bye' election.

tl;dr I'm not left wing

Germ Hamee
06-04-2008, 10:20 PM
Additionally, it would be stupid for Obama to pick HRC as his VP candidate. Approx 50% of voters have a negative view of Clinton (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/04/uselections2008)

And ignore the other 50% that may have a negative view of Obama for the sake of making a point.

I'll be voting for Obama over McCain, but he still makes me really nervous. He talks pretty, but hasn't done much to convince me that he has anything substantial behind his glorious speeches about change. Worse yet, his supporters act like religious fanatics. I'm honestly just getting tired of all the Obama hype and Clinton bashing going on.

I, for one, would feel much more comfortable voting for him if Clinton's on the ticket. It's unlikely that it will happen, but I think it's the best option to keep the party united. I really doubt that Obama would lose enough votes for choosing her to worry about his chances at winning the election. His supporters are going to vote for him either way.

Clouded Sky
06-04-2008, 10:25 PM
Additionally, it would be stupid for Obama to pick HRC as his VP candidate. Approx 50% of voters have a negative view of Clinton (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/04/uselections2008)

And ignore the other 50% that may have a negative view of Obama for the sake of making a point.



a lot of Clinton supporters dislike Obama so much that even if she was teh VP they wouldn't vote democratic.

Oh, I'm sorry? Did this not make sense. There were no statistics in the article, but there are a ton of people that won't vote for Obama even if he is paired with Hilary because they dislike him, and another significant chunk that wouldn't vote for Obama if HRC was the VP because they dislike her. So really, putting those two together would be a disaster because then you ostracize two large blocks of voters as opposed to one.

Germ Hamee
06-04-2008, 10:37 PM
Sorry, that wasn't directed so much at you as it was at Carter.

fire_of_avalon
06-04-2008, 10:47 PM
Obama supporters will do whatever Obama tells them to do.

I'm voting No Confidence in November unless I'm impressed by a third-party candidate. Or I'll vote for that lady on the street here that's running because I sure as hell like her more than I like Obama or McCain.

Ouch!
06-04-2008, 10:53 PM
I love how you hopped on that Rye :D 'Cept i was more of talking about policies rather than just race. Also I was refering to the subject of how millions of Germans didn't know what was going on during the holocaust. Sorry I didn't specify for ya honey. But we're not talking about the exact thing and comparing the two of them in this thread. I was mere stating the fact that from the way Obama talks I can't gather much from him but it's inspirational.
Rye's quotes are not exclusively focused on race. If you can't see that simply by reading the quotes from the respective speeches, there's really not use trying to explain it. Obama is fairly explicit in his intended policies. Perhaps you should read through his victory speech posted in this thread. If you can't gather much about his platform after that... well, I don't know what to say.

Honey, she added one in there as I was typing xD As a person who isn't really into politics listening to a really long speech where the first ten minutes are how great it was getting this far..... yeah i'm gonna close that.

And dear god i'm not bashing the guy, i'm gonna freaking vote for him and I was going to from the start. I was just trying to bring the point that he's persuasive like Hitler was. I wasn't saying he was going to kill off a bunch of people or anything. Just saying he has the power to sway the people.

EDIT: nor do I want to read it. It looked too long. and I'm lazy
If you're too lazy to read through a relatively short speech (and thus render yourself unable to respond with an informed opinion), it's probably best that you not not make such strong comparisons. It's inviting people to tear you apart.

Also, as I mentioned earlier, every politician has the power to sway the people. You can't be a good politician unless you possess such an ability.

Denmark
06-04-2008, 11:13 PM
I'll let you in on a little secret: Clinton, Obama and McCain are exactly the same.

Clinton is a female WASP Democrat. Obama is a male black Hawaiian Muslim Protestant Democrat. McCain is a male WASP Republican.

They're so different it's RIDICULOUS.

Also, politics in GC?

DMKA
06-05-2008, 12:20 AM
There's nothing quite as beautiful as seeing an American politics thread in GC getting troll'd by a British CK.

Shiny
06-05-2008, 01:17 AM
I knew he'd win over Hillary. And all the doubters said no no no. Doubt no more bishes. And I wish people would stop being lame. The guy can't do anything without people labeling him as a terrorist or some crap like that. He can't want to go to Iran without people thinking he's against the Israelis and he can't not wear his flag pin for sake of being anti-American. Enough already.

Captain Maxx Power
06-05-2008, 01:23 AM
On the news today they showed a quite frankly depressing statistic; apparently the popularity between Obama and McCain is even stevens. Seriously, if we end up with another right-wing religious nut in power I'm just heading straight for the nearest bomb bunker.

DMKA
06-05-2008, 01:36 AM
On the news today they showed a quite frankly depressing statistic; apparently the popularity between Obama and McCain is even stevens. Seriously, if we end up with another right-wing religious nut in power I'm just heading straight for the nearest bomb bunker.

McCain is right-wing?

ljkkjlcm9
06-05-2008, 01:40 AM
Politics never gives you good choices.

If any of you are thinking, "Who can help the country the most?" you are asking yourself the wrong question. When it comes to politics the question is simply, "Who will do the least harm?"

It comes down to the "lesser of two evils." Basically we have the very experienced McCain versus the very inexperienced Obama.

But in the end, if the Democrats somehow lose this election, I will laugh my azz off. I don't think Obama is a good candidate, but better than Clinton. McCain wasn't my favorite on the other side either. But if I had to choose one, which I do, I'll vote for McCain. Though my vote will basically mean nothing, cause I'm from Massachusetts lol

btw
http://www.racerocks.com/racerock/education/curricula/projects/normalcurve.jpg
that's the bell curve for people's opinions in this country. Majority of people are in the middle. If you want to know where Obama and McCain are.... they're as close to the center as they can be. You could say Obama is slightly to the left, and McCain slightly to the right, but in no way do we have polar candidates. They want you to think they're dramatically different, but they're not. The facts that separate people's opinions in this country are so tiny.

THE JACKEL

Denmark
06-05-2008, 03:03 AM
They want you to think they're dramatically different, but they're not.

One is young and black! The other is old and white! How are they not dramatically different?!

Rye
06-05-2008, 03:08 AM
They want you to think they're dramatically different, but they're not.

One is young and black! The other is old and white! How are they not dramatically different?!

Man, this sounds like a cop movie.

ljkkjlcm9
06-05-2008, 04:35 AM
They want you to think they're dramatically different, but they're not.

One is young and black! The other is old and white! How are they not dramatically different?!

Obama is one of the "whitest" black men you can find, and he is mixed race. McCain has been through hell and back, and is a "tough" man that can take on anything and just doesn't die even after being shot/tortured. Basically, Obama fits a white person stereotype despite being "black" and McCain can fit into a black stereotype despite being white!

THE JACKEL

Peegee
06-05-2008, 05:51 AM
They want you to think they're dramatically different, but they're not.

One is young and black! The other is old and white! How are they not dramatically different?!

Obama is one of the "whitest" black men you can find, and he is mixed race. McCain has been through hell and back, and is a "tough" man that can take on anything and just doesn't die even after being shot/tortured. Basically, Obama fits a white person stereotype despite being "black" and McCain can fit into a black stereotype despite being white!

THE JACKAL

Now you're just being facetious.

ljkkjlcm9
06-05-2008, 07:36 AM
They want you to think they're dramatically different, but they're not.

One is young and black! The other is old and white! How are they not dramatically different?!

Obama is one of the "whitest" black men you can find, and he is mixed race. McCain has been through hell and back, and is a "tough" man that can take on anything and just doesn't die even after being shot/tortured. Basically, Obama fits a white person stereotype despite being "black" and McCain can fit into a black stereotype despite being white!

THE JACKAL

Now you're just being facetious.

ok granted I was being a bit extreme, but if the only real difference is the color of their skin... then there is no real difference.

I HATE THAT. All I ever hear about is how people want equality and blah blah. Yet a female runs for president and all we hear about is how she's a woman. A black man runs for president, and all we hear about is how it's a black man. It shouldn't matter if they're black or female. They're a candidate. And until people start looking at them like that, we're just perpetuating the issue.

And what bothers me the most is... Would Obama really be as far as he is, if he wasn't "black." I mean, he's as good a candidate as any the democrats could offer, but really.... he only stands out from the others because he is "black." Clinton only stood out because she's female.

THE JACKEL

Breine
06-05-2008, 12:46 PM
On the news today they showed a quite frankly depressing statistic; apparently the popularity between Obama and McCain is even stevens. Seriously, if we end up with another right-wing religious nut in power I'm just heading straight for the nearest bomb bunker.

Qft.

Vivisteiner
06-05-2008, 12:58 PM
Obama could be revolutionary. And America needs a revolution because, event though not all Americans realise it, almost everyone outside America hates them or thinks they are stupid morons.


McCain on the other hand wouldnt be revolutionary. He'd be better than Bush - that's not hard, but he still would do nothing to promote enthusiams towards America from foreign countries. In fact, his stance on foreign policy sounds like he'd only exacerbate the problem.

In terms of economy, most economists seem to think that Obama's policies are better. At least, thats what some right-wing economist said on the news yesterday.

In terms of integrity and judgement (the War in Iraq), I think Obama has more of it. The problem for Obama though is that he wont get elected if he doesnt play the game a little bit. It seems that voter in America will go for people who are as centre as possible. And thats why McCain and Obama are both going for the middle ground. In reality, Obama is further to the left than he appears and McCain is further to the right.

fire_of_avalon
06-05-2008, 01:09 PM
I don't get why so many people have their head in the clouds about this. Barack Obama isn't about revolutionizing anything. He talks a big game, he talks about change, but what are his plans, y'all? What legislation has he enacted in his political past that was so revolutionary?

Nothing. He's a run of the mill politician, he's a run of the mill candidate and he'll be a run of the mill President. I don't have a big problem with Obama, even though I think he's very vague and that he has no plans (and that's really fucking scary) but I have a huge problem with his fanatical supporters who think he's going to save the United States.

He'll be average at best and that's all he'll be. Strap yourselves in for disappointment, folks, because he ain't the next JFK.

Vivisteiner
06-05-2008, 01:31 PM
Obama has talked about his policies a lot. You're just oblivious to them. Granted, he's not fixed into one policy, but thats a good thing. He listens to the people, to his advisers and so on, and if he stands true to that kind of leadership then it would be excellent. You could try looking at his website, he's bound to have specific policies on there. I remember him talking very specifically in one debate - shame you weren't there.

As a politician, firstly he is young so he hasnt had much time to do anything. Also, he had very little power. If he had tried to get some of those schemes to work they would have just fallen flat on their faces. He's not naive in that respect. He realises that the only way you can change Washington is by gaining enough power to do so - by becoming President.

ljkkjlcm9
06-05-2008, 05:01 PM
Obama hasn't passed one piece of legislation. Sure it's easy to SAY what you stand for. But he hasn't proved anything about what he stands for. Most politicians have political backgrounds with bills they've passed and proposed. Obama has basically nothing to his name.

THE JACKEL

Quindiana Jones
06-05-2008, 05:04 PM
Now just to see if Clinton will get her ego under control and accept to be running mates.

Dear God, I hope not. She needs to just exit the political scene. Like, forever.

She needs to exit the living scene. Sweet Jesus, I hate that woman.

Madame Adequate
06-05-2008, 05:49 PM
Okay. Aside from the obvious counter that if he never did anything the people of Illinois wouldn't have elevated him to the US Senate, one of the most prestigious elected positions in the country, Obama has done plenty.

Politicati: What has Obama accomplished? - Politics, News and more from the Democratic Mind of Politicati (http://politicati.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-has-obama-accomplished.html)

Heath
06-05-2008, 06:45 PM
All I ever hear about is how people want equality and blah blah. Yet a female runs for president and all we hear about is how she's a woman. A black man runs for president, and all we hear about is how it's a black man. It shouldn't matter if they're black or female. They're a candidate. And until people start looking at them like that, we're just perpetuating the issue.

And what bothers me the most is... Would Obama really be as far as he is, if he wasn't "black." I mean, he's as good a candidate as any the democrats could offer, but really.... he only stands out from the others because he is "black." Clinton only stood out because she's female.

THE JACKAL

I agree with the general sentiments here; it shouldn't matter what someone's race, religion or gender is, what should matter is how well they'll do the job they're up for. However having said that, if the fact that someone is black or a woman has encouraged people who might not normally take an interest in politics to take an interest in politics and inform themselves on the issues or get involved politically, I think there's at least a good by-product there.

Clouded Sky
06-05-2008, 07:28 PM
Obama has avoided talking lobbyists' money throughout his campaign and now he is asking the whole DNC to do the same (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/05/obama-making-imprint-on-dnc-organization/). That's probably already a step in the right direction.

Vivisteiner
06-05-2008, 07:50 PM
Obama hasn't passed one piece of legislation. Sure it's easy to SAY what you stand for. But he hasn't proved anything about what he stands for. Most politicians have political backgrounds with bills they've passed and proposed. Obama has basically nothing to his name.

THE JACKAL
I find it interesting that people can just lie off their faces and get away with it.


Take a look at I'm my Own Milf's brilliant link:

Politicati: What has Obama accomplished? - Politics, News and more from the Democratic Mind of Politicati (http://politicati.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-has-obama-accomplished.html)

Who's lying? The article, or you?