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[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 04:07 AM
Seriously. Quit it.

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 04:08 AM
Yes. xDD Yes, you did read wrong. <3 your EoFF persona Damon <3333

[M] Anise
06-16-2008, 04:08 AM
Without Godot's Coffee at our table, we are much more at edge it seems.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 04:10 AM
Coffee is just what we need ;_;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/phoenix-coffeedb.gif

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 04:11 AM
Would it make me a really, really bad cop if I go against my investigation and with my instinct?

I dunno wth to do.

[M] Anise
06-16-2008, 04:11 AM
*Takes a sip of Blend #27*

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 04:12 AM
My bad, I read one thing wrong in his enormous post. Although you couldve called on that earlier.

I will give Lamiroir the security of the doubt right now, as the main thing that concerned me about his roleclaim I misread.

##unvote: Lamiroir

Doesn't mean I trust you, just means that I will see how your claim plays out.

I guess I'll fall back on my second mafia suspect.

##vote: Luke

One question that came to me while reading the votes. If Will Powers knows he is a roleblocker, why doesn't he vote for Ema, like she did? Seemed like something you would do.

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 04:14 AM
##Unvote: Damon Gant

Doesn't mean I trust ya either dear, but now that I know who you are what I deemed as suspicious sounds like something you would do. xD Yes, I know, I shouldn't be basing anything off who's behind the account >_<

I wish Will and Ema would both say more.

[M] Athena
06-16-2008, 04:16 AM
And the last cop NEVER investigated anyone.Yes. Assume he investigated no-one because it's irrelevant to all of this.

Last night there was no kill, when the night before there were two. I thought something involving my own role (revealing it will not resolve this situation fyi) might have caused this. Apparently others beg to differ.

What must the mafia have thought? Perhaps they, having read my post, did indeed target me and thought it was something to do with my role as I did. Thus lessening the chances of the existance of a roleblocker? Possibly. But still.

If Will is mafia, he is the godfather. To me, Lamimoir's (CAN'T SPELL) claim that he is innocent isn't anything. We relied too heavily on cops before and we got burned for it hard. I've always hated a reliance on them when things can often go wrong with millers, godfathers, sanity, etc. and you can figure things out for yourself if you want to.

And so, as Bikini puts it
Why would such a powerful Mafia role stick his neck out like this, when there really isn't a need?Indeed. Notice that he hints at it long before claiming.
to karma- I have a small idea of what happened. I think the roleblocker got the right person and we either have some bulletproofs or we have more protective roles.Italicised for relevance.

Why would a Godfather stick himself out just to get a townie lynched? He wouldn't; Plum is not popular with the town anyway after the debacle of yesterday. Based on this, if he is scum, assume Plum is too and he is distancing. But-

Will has been on Plum since Day 2. Admittedly he's been a bit wishy washy between Plum and others, but as things were going well for the mafia, I don't know why he'd be all over Plum's case if they were on the same team so early.

And why not claim something more powerful which will give him more credibility when Plum dies? In fact, Roleblocker is a role with a margin for error. You can say it was just coincidence that there were no night kills and that Plum was mafia. You can't with cop/tracker. Yeah evidently with one cop it's hard, but tracker is feasible I think.

Will claims after a couple of us found him to be a bit odd. Interesting enough I guess, trying to save himself as the important role of godfather and regain credibility?

The purple/green thing is dodgy! It makes his claim - which, if he is telling the truth, should never have been made in the first place because of how inconclusive it all is - less valid and less believable.

And so Emma. If Emma is scum, why lie about being a roleblocker? You're sacrificing yourself just to get a roleblocker killed? This makes less sense to me than any situation invovling Will wanting Emma lynched.

There cannot be two roleblockers, can there? Will's claim does not seem genuine, but he does not seem to be acting like a mafia - Lamiroir's cop claim backs him up. Emma has no reason for acting this way either. So-

THEORY AND WHERE YOU WILL WANT TO BE IF TL;DR!
Is Will a lyncher and Plum a lynchee? It explains his innocence in the cop investigation. It explains why he has been all over Plum's case. It explains why he would lie about being a roleblocker - which I think he could well be - to get her lynched.

if so we're absolutely smurfed 'cause we've had two power roles claim for nothing.

[M] Anise
06-16-2008, 04:19 AM
While I agree with that state Lam, I don't think we'll get much out of them today. :(

But we can hope and pray.

Honestly the only thing that makes me happy is you're no longer likely to get lynched. :p

Cause you know, without that lovely man Godot around anymore, I'm finding women more and more attractive. ;)

But really, I think there is some legitamacy to your Cop Claim for the time being, so I think we should all just be thankful for this moment right now. :p

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 04:19 AM
Lamiroir;2509858']

Doesn't mean I trust ya either dear, but now that I know who you are what I deemed as suspicious sounds like something you would do. xD Yes, I know, I shouldn't be basing anything off who's behind the account >_<

I wish Will and Ema would both say more.

:rolleyes2

Whatever, it still doesnt excuse you for asking me about things that happened before I arrived three times!

Plus, the cop roleclaim wasn't the smartest idea in the world. Either we have a locked protection for the rest of the game, or a dead cop in the morning.

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 04:22 AM
If Jean's theory holds water, then maybe it's time for Plum to claim? Depending on their role and their best judgement, that is.

But it doesn't explain why everyone blocked Plum, and why there were no kills, and if they are correlated.

[M] Anise
06-16-2008, 04:23 AM
And damn Lyncher and Lynchee combo. :(

I really hate the Idea of taking that into consideration, but we may not have a choice now.

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 04:25 AM
P.S. There's like, one and a half hours left in the day. We need to figure stuff out ;_; And it'd help if the people in question would help us. >=[

[M] Athena
06-16-2008, 04:26 AM
When I say "Will wanting Emma lynched" I mean "(MAFIA) Will wanting Plum lynched". But I'm not editing my post so yeah. :p

Will if you are lyncher, step up now. We can help you. I wouldn't like having to sacrifice Plum, but rather her than our Roleblocker and Cop. But you gotta give us the truth in return, son. Step up into my big manly arms.

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 04:28 AM
If you are, you should, Will. :\ It'd help a lot.

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 04:32 AM
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[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 04:35 AM
It certainly would explain a lot of things. I'd like to hear from both of them though. But I think they are either absent, or they like the things the way they are now, and they see no improvement that can come from talking.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 04:38 AM
Wow...wasn't exepcting Luke to be in the lead.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/ani-hobo-bwuh.gif

[M] Al - Biker Dad
06-16-2008, 04:41 AM
Jean Armstrong;2509860']THEORY AND WHERE YOU WILL WANT TO BE IF TL;DR!
Is Will a lyncher and Plum a lynchee? It explains his innocence in the cop investigation. It explains why he has been all over Plum's case. It explains why he would lie about being a roleblocker - which I think he could well be - to get her lynched.

I very well could be, and wouldn't know it if the mafia flash is any thing to go by.


A Lynchee is a townie. He is not told he is The Lynchee.

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 04:42 AM
Lamiroir;2509786']Stop! (Drop! And roll!) I'm coming out (of the closet). ^_^

Hi. I'm your friendly resident Cop. For the record, it wasn't blue, it was exactly that color.


Lamiroir;2509618']Well about Jean too, I didn't mention it because I didn't know Jean is a smart player, but, because anyone who listens him so much is dumb town or knows that Jean is town ...meaning they are mafia. There were some other ppl i got that vibe from but Gant was the one that stuck out most ...there's no way these people can know unless they are the cop and say "I investigated Jean Will and Apollo, they're all innocent!" etc whatever or something, and, no way all these people can all be cops XD ... just seemed scummy.

Here's the thing. I doubt the mods would put two insane cops in, and I doubt that I would be a naive cop either, seeing as how one of the mods has told me on multiple occasions that he/she does not like naive cops. I'm going to assume, for the moment, that I am a normal, sane cop.

Yes, I was intentionally staying low. And I was intentionally typing like an idiot. Staying low suited me because it made me just suspicious enough so that I was being mentioned and kept on the suspicion list, but not enough so that people voted for me. Being a suspect would guarantee that I didn't die at night. I said yesterday I would be more active today because I planned on coming out today anyway, but after Godot's death I thought I would potentially hold off another day, seeing as how I kinda needed him. I also knew Jean would get super paranoid and make way too much out of my posts as soon as he knew who I was, and that it was bad if any mafia could figure out who I was.

Now, here's the confusing part. Will's purple - hmm. Ema's coming out to claim roleblocker - that puts suspicion on Will. ...But I investigated Will. I don't see why he would claim roleblocker if he wasn't, and I don't see even more why Ema would claim roleblocker if she actually wasn't.

Night 1: Jean Armstrong. I invesigated him because I noticed right away who played his character, and I wanted this person either out of my way or out of my suspicions ASAP.
Night 2: Will Powers. I think some of his posts brought up some suspicions. I also saw him as a lay-lower who could potentially be intelligent. I didn't investigate Godot because I was gullible and actually believed Demon Dude. Hell, he was a cop - how the heck am I supposed to guess that he didn't investigate <i>anyone</i>? Fail as hell! Yeah, I figured an investigation on Godot would be a wasted one at that point.
Night 3: Apollo Justice. I was having a hard time deciding between Apollo Justice, Pheonix Wright, and Damon Gant. Pheonix made himself slightly more of a presence than Apollo, and I figured that if Apollo did indeed turn out to be innocent, I would have a stronger case against Damon Gant. Whereas, if Damon turned out to be innocent, I would really have no idea where to go next.

I tried to avoid investigating people that already had a lot of suspicion placed on them due to the possibility of a mafia framer. The judge wouldn't give me my results before the night was over due to "outside factors," and what those are, your guess is as good as mine. It could have just been the roleblocker(s?), or there can be other factors as well.

Now, could any of these people I investigated be the godfather? Sure. Could they have been recruited last night? Sure. But I was willing to trust my investigations for the moment.

...But this double roleblocker thing is bloody confusing me. Could there be two roleblockers? Could be, but seems unlikely.

Now, I do believe there's another doctor or protective role in this game. With 2 cops and 25 people, I seriously would not be surprised if there was a white mage/another doctor of some sort/etc. So, doctor? Hi.
I knew you were intentionally doing that because I think I know your real persona and I know you are far too smart to be acting so dumb, which initially made me suspicious of you to begin with. Seriously. Why do you people wait till people are suspicious of you to start acting smart? If you would have acted this way from the beginning town would probably be far better off. I am still not sure if you were lying low because you were trying to avoid being on the scummy radar or lying low to not be caught by scum. Tbh, I need more time to think about this as two of those people on your list of innocents have seemed scummy to me. Jean because of his mysterious role that Gant and Gavin some hows knows of. Hm, I wonder why? :rolleyes2 And of course, Will now, who I wasn't that suspicious of before but now I am. His role blocker claim seems iffy to me.

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 04:45 AM
Plum: So are you a vanilla, or do you have some kind of role as well, since lynchee isn't told? You don't have to say it if you deem it unwise, but it might help.

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 04:48 AM
Just about an hour left.

[M] Al - Biker Dad
06-16-2008, 04:49 AM
I'm Vanilla.

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 04:50 AM
I was hoping you'd say something else. xD

[M] Athena
06-16-2008, 04:54 AM
I am not satisfied with lynching Emma, Will, Plum, Lamiroir or Luke so I don't know what to do.

Also valant, shut up and kiss me you silly old coot.

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 04:55 AM
@ Valant: I know of what role, now? Not to my knowledge at least.

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 04:56 AM
Valant - Doubtful. If I started acting like this from the start, I woulda got wiped overnight. :p I still voted for who I deemed were the smartest votes each day, which uh, turned out badly, yeah. I suck at this, okay? xD

[M] Greg - Hot Dad
06-16-2008, 04:56 AM
Lamiroir;2509830']
Good job Capt'n Obvious. xD If I didn't investigate you, I'd be like wow, wishy washy. xD
I like to, y'know, confirm things for those people that may not have understood before. :cool:

I still got my suspicious against you, Lami-whatevers, but I won't be voting for you today. I wanna see what else you have to say, woman!

Over the roleblocker claim, I'm believing Emma over Will at the moment, mostly because she's been more believable to me over Will throughout the game, while Will was a bit on the suspicious side to me the whole time.

##VOTE: Will Powers

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 05:07 AM
I'm not really willing to go against my investigation yet, though without the investigation I'd be believing Ema over Will too. I'm not willing to lynch Ema either, because I don't see the reason behind her roleclaim if she's mafia. I don't really want to lynch Luke, because I never had much against him to begin with. I never had much against Plum either, but right now, I'm leaning toward Plum over the others and it's probably a terrible decision but I don't know. @_@ But, I mean... better vanilla than roleblocker, right?

- If Plum flips lynchee (Doubtful. If Will were lyncher, he could have claimed a better role than roleblocker), easy to see what other people are.
- If Plum flips scum, then it explains the lack of night kill and it would lead me to a number of other thoughts.
- If Plum flips vanilla, then wtf? I don't know. What about the night kills then?

I DON'T KNOW. THEN AGAIN, WHAT IF PLUM REALLY IS TOWN. *head explodes* xD HELP.

Btw, it seems like a lot of people haven't shown up much today. ;) Hm.

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 05:09 AM
Hey, maybe I'll ignore all of that and vote Phoenix! He keeps posting useless posts with GIFs instead of thoughts/info. Makes you seem active, hm? I mean, you really could be saying a bit more.

*head continues exploding* xD

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 05:12 AM
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[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 05:13 AM
Well, I could say more, but my thoughts are the same as some of the other players, and I don't feel like rewording them to seem like I'm the first to say them.


(and useless is just what I do ;_;</>)

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 05:17 AM
Phoenix Wright;2509898']Well, I could say more, but my thoughts are the same as some of the other players, and I don't feel like rewording them to seem like I'm the first to say them.


(and useless is just what I do ;_;</>)

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[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 05:18 AM
Damon Gant;2509888']@ Valant: I know of what role, now? Not to my knowledge at least.
You said you knew Jean's role a while back. Too lazy to go back and find it.


Jean Armstrong;2509887']I am not satisfied with lynching Emma, Will, Plum, Lamiroir or Luke so I don't know what to do.

Also valant, shut up and kiss me you silly old coot.
Suck it. (You'd like that.) You're gonna lose that bet, scum. :choc2:


Lamiroir;2509889']Valant - Doubtful. If I started acting like this from the start, I woulda got wiped overnight. :p I still voted for who I deemed were the smartest votes each day, which uh, turned out badly, yeah. I suck at this, okay? xD
Probably, but then I have no sympathy for you if you did because those bastards always kill me off before I even get to type out most of my intellectual responses and then when I do town does not listen to me. >=(

EDIT: LMFAO what the hell, Judge.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 05:19 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/f_-_warggh.gif

[M] Greg - Hot Dad
06-16-2008, 05:19 AM
OH JUDGE. You just made me giggle like a little school girl.

[M] Athena
06-16-2008, 05:20 AM
I didn't think today would turn out as it has. As it stands, I must vote, and I have made my choice.

##vote: Miles Edgeworth

See megapost 1 for today as to why I feel this is a good choice.
Night roles, seeing as I guess we can now put some input into it. Roleblocker wannabes...well, if you think the other one is scum, I guess that is a very good place to aim your roleblock. Could be that the other one is a prostitute, although I still like the idea that Will is the lyncher, but we can't be certain.

Cop, well, there is someone I would like investigated so badly but I cannot name names for fear of Mafia Framers. It isn't Edgworth or anyone in the fore of this little drama. Maybe if you thin k you can realise who I mean but even if you do figure it out, it's up to you what choice you make.

As for protection, yeah, get the cop's back someone. I think my own MYSTERY ROLE OMG will see me through for a while yet. And no, having a MYSTERY ROLE is not suspicious. You don't need to know what my role is, or speculate as to it unless you are scum. I'm not using it as proof I'm innocent or proof that you should lynch someone. My actions are townie as hell and if you think otherwise, then well, I am not going to mince words, you are stupid.

HI MAFIA SUP
I will address the mafia again so if you want to use this as evidence, fine, but you're admitting to being mafia because this is for their eyes only. :aimkiss: I swear to you it harms you and harms me when you target me. Perhaps in ways you can not conceive; I do not know what kinds of things occur in that forum of yours or what the Judges say to you. I will explain it all after the game and you will see I am no liar. It is not all that powerful as opposition to you, though, and if it's me personally you are after, I have said all I have to say. It's all out in the open, all my thoughts - go back a few pages! You cannot silence a man who has already spoken. I wish to play and to continue playing. I am not the one you want.

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 05:27 AM
25 MINUTES LEFT AAUUUGGGHHH

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 05:27 AM
Valant Gramarye;2509902']
Damon Gant;2509888']@ Valant: I know of what role, now? Not to my knowledge at least.
You said you knew Jean's role a while back. Too lazy to go back and find it.



I do not have an investigating role, so that was most likely a lie.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 05:30 AM
I think he probably just guessed and was pretty sure he was right.

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 05:32 AM
I have no fking clue what you're on about, Jean :p And I'm afraid I don't necessarily have the time to go back and analyze to find out. It's almost my bedtime and then I wake up at 6:30 and work full time, horray. >.> WE'LL SEE!

I guess I have to vote. So like, the other three days were way easier than this. At least I was convinced I was right even if I was wrong.

##Vote: Plum Kitaki

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 05:40 AM
Phoenix Wright;2509912']I think he probably just guessed and was pretty sure he was right.
Or he knows because they are fellow scum mates. And you're defending him so you must be too, wright? Rhetorical question. I already know the answer.

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 05:42 AM
Valant Gramarye;2509919']
Phoenix Wright;2509912']I think he probably just guessed and was pretty sure he was right.
Or he knows because they are fellow scum mates. And you're defending him so you must be too, wright? Rhetorical question. I already know the answer.

Not to poke holes in that nice theory there, but I asked the question. Why would I ask the question if I knew the answer? xD

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 05:45 AM
My theory is nice; you are correct. I am amazing. Suck it Jean. *POOFS IN TO THIN AIR*

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 05:47 AM
4 minutes. xP

[M] Dee
06-16-2008, 05:50 AM
DON'T KILL ME DON'T KILL ME I WANT TO LIIIIVE :(

That's all I have to say.

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 05:52 AM
TIME

Please stand by for the death announcement. :P

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 05:57 AM
*stands by*

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 05:58 AM
Luke Atmey was on the roof of the hotel, his favourite spot to go and think, when he saw a bright, flashing light on a roof across the street. He adjusted his monocle and took a few steps closer to the edge to get a closer look. He leaned against the ledge and squinted. Suddenly, he felt someone push him from behind! He flipped over the side and grabbed onto the ledge with one hand. "YOU!" he yelled at his attacker. "I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S YOU!"

Silently, the shadowy figure pulled an ice pick out of it's pocket and jammed it into Luke's hand. Luke plummeted from the top of the building and was impaled on a lamp post.

It was disgusting.

[M] Luke Atmey was a Vanilla Townie played by Blue Harvest!

Night 4 begins now. Day 5 may be a little bit delayed, since it's kind of late in some places and people have lives during the day. Hopefully we'll be able to start on time.

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 05:54 PM
"They can never know! Never! Please! Don't tell them anything! My... my reputation...."

"Shh, I won't tell. Now shut up and kiss me!"

Lamiroir and Jean Armstrong were locked in a passionate embrace in the middle of a beautiful field of daffodils. "Ohhh, Jean...." moaned Lamiroir. "Please, don't stop...."

Jean looked up at the sky from beneath Lamiroir and noticed something. It started out really small, but it was gradually getting closer. It was a meteorite! Oh no! But Jean couldn't bring himself to say anything. This moment was too perfect. This moment is the kind of moment everyone wishes they could be experiencing when the die. So instead, he just closed his eyes and let his life end.

[M] Jean Armstrong was a Horny Gay Faith Healer played by Psychotic. [M] Lamiroir was a Cop played by Jojee! Thanks so much for playing. How fitting that you'd die together. Beautiful!

Day 5 will last 24 hours or until there's a majority lynch. With 16 remaining players, it takes 9 to lynch.

HAJIME!

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 06:09 PM
We're screwed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/phoenix-emo.gif

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 06:18 PM
Okay, so we had a doctor, a faith healer, and two cops. We definitely do not have two role blockers on our side. What does everyone think?

[M] Adama
06-16-2008, 06:19 PM
I...am a fool. *sigh* After I read Lamiroir's cop claim, I started to believe that she WASN'T mafia after all. *sniffles* I'M SORRY LAMIROIR! Please forgive me :trout:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o2/kirby22003/Fool.jpg TOWN! THINK HARD AND FAST! We MUST get rid of the mafia. We're totally screwed now, but we should at LEAST die fighting.

##VOTE: Will Powers

I don't believe your claim, you're extremely hesitant when answering questions, and the minute Skye claimed Roleblocker as well, your posts took on an "o<img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" /><img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" /><img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" /><img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" />" tone to them.

[M] Adama
06-16-2008, 06:28 PM
...Or maybe I should vote for Emma?

I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE!

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 06:30 PM
##Vote: Will Powers

I know you turned up innnocent when Lamiroir investigated you, but you've just seemed scummy from the start. I think you are the Godfather, or some other thing caused you to come up innocent. (Probably the former.)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/ani-hobo-points.gif

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 06:31 PM
I think you're good, Franziska :p

[M] Adama
06-16-2008, 06:38 PM
*sigh* I'll just go for #2 on my list, since Emma and Will are tied.

##Unvote: Will

##Vote: Maya Faye

I vote the last remaining Faye girl because she doesn't address anything anyone says to her when she appears, she only points out things we've already said, and she shows up pretty much once per day, ALWAYS saying something about work. WE GET THE POINT THAT YOU WORK AND IT'S A CHORE! YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT ALL THE TIME! and caps makes that true.
You, little lady, smell like scum, AND YOU ANNOY ME! BAAAD combination. Very bad. Like, THE WHOLE TOWN IS DYING BECAUSE THE MAFIA ARE JERKS bad. in this case, caps makes it TOTALLY true.

*heavy sigh*. Maya, you don't contribute much. You're only here once a day, post useless info, vote, and leave. "Work this, work that!" And you don't address any questions we have for you. You do nothing.

Bye bye.

@Phoenix: asl? :bigsmile:

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 06:43 PM
Speaking of inactives, I'd really like to hear from Apollo and Trucy, too.

We're in serious trouble here, and we really need to pull ourselves together and get to work.

[M] Adama
06-16-2008, 06:45 PM
You're right. I'm actually seriously FRUSTRATED now, because I have no idea what to do...I'm at a total loss.

I think now is a good time to vote off inactives, don't you?

[M] Adama
06-16-2008, 06:55 PM
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j38/celeschere08/franzis3.png I just had an epiphany.

Maya, Trucy, and Emma all post just enough to get by- one post per day. Valant, Apollo, and you, Phoenix, just randomly show whenever...Not even one post per day, but several every now and then.

If Judge was telling the truth, you have a good reason for that. The others don't.

For now, to me, you're scum if you're not Phoenix, who has a good reason, and you hardly post anything of importance, hardly post at all, and don't address other people's questions/comments/concerns, and do hit-and-run attacks.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 07:04 PM
Thanks for listening to the Judge, Franny xD

Gosh this is going slow, I wish more people would get on.

[M] Adama
06-16-2008, 07:15 PM
I know =\

We both voted, and now we just have to sit and wait....

I hate waiting. It makes me nauseous.

...ok, notrly.

[M] Adama
06-16-2008, 07:17 PM
So, Phoenix...

Who rings most suspicious to you, after Will?

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 07:35 PM
Plum.

Look at her posts:

http://forums.eyesonff.com/search.php?searchid=993969


Not to mention both Will and Ema claim she was roleblocked on the night with no kills.


It's awfully nifty being able to link to searches like that. Oh...and where's Edgey? I've been dying for an excuse to use this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/beerbuddies.gif

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 07:42 PM
This is starting to get bad. But with 9 still to lynch this is how I see it, inactives must go. If your active we can catch you, but we've been just massacring ourselves by not gettting these inactives.

So let's start a list.
Trucy
Apollo
Edgeworth
Maya

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 07:45 PM
I'd like to add Plum to that list.

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 07:56 PM
Alright guys since I am on a sugar high I will contribute a little more than I usually do for this thread. xD


Phoenix Wright;2510143']Okay, so we had a doctor, a faith healer, and two cops. We definitely do not have two role blockers on our side. What does everyone think?
I think there is a vigilante/serial killer because now the notion of two different mafia factions seems some what implausible to me now. That would explain the two deaths.


Lamiroir;2509808']Yes, I find two roleblockers highly unlikely. See above.

Doctors and cops are important roles that are in every game. Roleblockers aren't.
I disagree with Lam (RIP Jojee <3) because I think the possibilities of two role blockers are not that far fetched. It's an equality thing, you know what I'm saying? ;D Anywayz, what puzzles me, however, is how both Ema and Will claimed to be role blockers. It is obvious (or at least it should be) that one of them is lying and are dirty scum. But which one Valant? Hold on. I'm getting there.

Remember: Lamiroir said Will came up as innocent. Just because he came up innocent does not mean he is although then again Lam was not able to investigate Ema last night so she is not in the clear yet either for me. Speaking of investigations.

Will prodded Lam to investigate them:


Will Powers;2509783']Alright then. Have a cop investigate us both.

Will would not have to worry about being investigated because he knew he'd come up innocent because

A. He is a the dirty skeazy scummy godfather
B. He is actually innocent which would make Ema a dirty lying scum

Judging from Lam and Jean's death last night I think Will had something to do with that because Lam and Jean were both going after Will pretty hard yesterday. Of course Jeany called out Will properly on the color thing. Pretty much every pro-town role has been green even special roles like doctors. Having a suddenly purple one rings really suspicous to me and I am not buying Will's role claim. Will's track record is also far more suspicious than Ema's who has seemed contribute much in benefit to the town. So I will give Ema the benefit of the doubt and say that she is telling the truth. And Will is a lying scum. Nice try Will. Not.

And now after that long ass post, I am now tired again. *brain hurt* :laugh:

[M] Adama
06-16-2008, 08:05 PM
Good points, Val. I'll change my vote if Maya contributes more, but ONLY then.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-16-2008, 08:39 PM
We lost a cop AND a faith healer. We need to be more careful then ever since we've lost so many power roles. :(

We got roleblocker left, and perhaps 1 or 2 more minor ones, but we've lost our best ones (doctor and cop). I'm still split on Will and Ema as each one still seems suspicious to me. Although I think we can say it's safe if we don't vote one of them off today and continue to look into who is the real one and who is an imposter. Namely because the mafia can't kill the real one yet. If the mafia kills the true role blocker then we will know instantly who is the fake and will lynch them. Although there is a small possiblity that they are both telling the truth......but I find that chance 1% at best. It's just too convenient they both targeted Plum. However with most certainty I can say it's safe to leave them be while we scrutinize them, we don't want to lose another power role. Sooner or later the impostor will slip up.

So let's continue that discussion but I think we should go over our other suspects.

One that bothers me....Wesley. He just slipped out a role claim about being Vanilla Townie. I didn't have too high of suspicions against him before, but when he said that it bothers me greatly. In the Classic Gaming mafia, DK did the same thing and we learned he was telling the truth. However now we have a repeat of the same situation. Perhaps a mafia trying to repeat the same scenario from last game and use it to shed any suspicion. I'll continue to look over Wesley's posts to see what I can find out. But that was the big red flag for me.


Of course Jeany called out Will properly on the color thing. Pretty much every pro-town role has been green even special roles like doctors. Having a suddenly purple one rings really suspicous to me and I am not buying Will's role claim.

No, no, no, no, no NO!:mad2:

Are you people listening to yourselves? Your using COLOR as a means to suspect someone. Say it out loud with me "I'm getting evidence because he used the color purple" Sounds stupid aloud don't it? Seriously now, if this is what people find suspicious and are spending time worrying about it's no wonder we're losing. Please spend your time finding real evidence.

I'll post more in a bit but my brain hurts now so I'll just go read over some posts and what have you.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/beerbuddies.gif

I approve! :D:up:

[M] Adama
06-16-2008, 08:43 PM
I thought the color thing was extremely silly too, but it could be a point. If the two who claimed roleblocker each said a different color, it could be the difference between the liar and the one telling the truth. The only problem is, we have NO way of being able to tell what the true color is. Since all roles so far have been green, as someone mentioned, I'd have to say that green is the real color...BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

It bothers me :sad:

[M] Adama
06-16-2008, 08:44 PM
all town roles so far have been green, that is.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-16-2008, 09:00 PM
I really can't see using color as a means to suspect someone. I mean if I honestly had said I was a Cop and someone later claims they were the Cop You would honestly find me more suspicious because I used the color used in all past games? While this game has used nothing but green and I would presume red.

It's a stupid basis, we should look at more of what each person posts.

For starters a simple quote search....Will - 30, Ema - 13 Posts. Ms. Ema is a bit inactive eh?

Looking over her posts she really screams scum to me. Since claiming she has made 2 posts (excluding her one post to just vote Will). Lying low perhaps while everyone seemed to focus more on Will.


I'm pretty sure Jean is not scum. Secondly, what? Attack inactives when they start doing something? That's point of going after inactives: they're not doing anything.


Same thing. I think Jean is a good guy and inactives should be persecuted.

Good idea. Join the side of someone a scum would know is innocent and many of the town is looking at as an intelligent person to help lead the town. The last part bothers me though, you even claimed inactivity was bad and yet YOU yourself are inactive. That's a bit controversial. Wouldn't you agree?

I might be biased though because she tried to make me appear scummy for voting off Mia the first day as opposed to the guy claiming to be a cop. But even so in her argument she was weak to bring any real suspicion against me. Of course her argument was just one of many in a long post adding suspects, but even so I can't help but ponder what she was getting at as I don't understand her logic on suspecting me with what she tried to use. But I'll leave that for you to ponder over.

I'll leave my evaluation of Ema at the moment since this is a big post. I'll be posting my things against Will in a bit.

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 09:03 PM
I agree that color can't be taken into affect. I'd put my roleclaim in the proper color just because I like to :D

I think Ema should go, I think she was trying to get us to off Will. She's been inactive till her claim anyway.

##Vote: Ema

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 09:05 PM
Part of me really really wants to use the color because that's something like the real Phoenix would do, but the smarter part of me says that's dumb xD

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 09:07 PM
Edgey has a good point. I missed a day phase and a half and I still managed to get in over 50 posts...13 is pretty low for someone wanting to persecute inactives...


This is tough >.<

I'm sticking with Will for now, though.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-16-2008, 09:34 PM
Now for Will.

Will first claimed to be a role blocker and wasn't under any scrutiny, in fact he did it to support his reason for voting Plum. To me this sounds like a terrible mafia ploy, so with that in mind I learn more towards him being town in that notion. In addition the confirmed Cop investigated him and got innocent. Meaning he is either telling the truth or is the Godfather.


The Godfather putting himself out in this kind of position is highly unlikely.

Why would such a powerful Mafia role stick his neck out like this, when there really isn't a need?

He would have to have some kind of contingency plan to keep himself safe, and banking on a Cop having investigated him is a horribly flimsly plan if you ask me.

Bikini makes a good point here. If Will is the Godfather why put on such a huge risk on one of the strongest roles the mafia has? With that in mind the idea of Will being innocent seems much more plausible to me. Because other wise that means the mafia had their Godfather step out and roleclaim when he wasn't up for a lynching or heavy suspicion. The plan is too insane and hard to pull off I believe for any mafia without some really good back up.

The only things bugging me about Will however are as follows.


I think the roleblocker got the right person and we either have some bulletproofs or we have more protective roles.

He's either scum trying to set up for the role claim or telling the truth trying to hint at a role blocker. Personally I think a set up sounds more plausible. Psy does it all the time as mafia.


Alright then. Have a cop investigate us both.

Cop, please investigate godot tonight.

Here he started to get real suspicious sounding. Almost as if he's trying to fish the cop out.


I would suggest that you roleclaim now godot. It might save you.

Again fishing. Although in his defense at this point it seemed like Godot would die anyways, so mafia trying to fish for info on an already dead guy would be rather stupid.

However despite that I still think Will has more credibility at the moment then Ema.

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 09:39 PM
Right now, I'm in a toss up for voting against Ema, or Plum. Plum because of inactivity, Ema for inactivity and scumminess. My main fear is if Ema is a Roleblocker it would be bad to lose her.

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 09:40 PM
Oh boy, this ain't good. 3 townies dead, 2 pro-town powerroles. 0_o

With 2 mafia clans.. yeah, we're screwed.

Might as well hold out until the end, problem is that about 50% of the people posting now would statistically be mafia. Who to trust?

Will and Ema definitely on the block now though.

[M] Helo
06-16-2008, 09:40 PM
What is it now, a coin flip situation between Will and Ema to determine which of them is telling the truth? And a suspicion of Plum, and all other inactives because they can get away with being inactive and not being killed?

I don't know what to think anymore. My last two top suspects (Godot and Luke) turned out innocent. My scholarly instincts have failed me. We're down 9 Townies, a number of whom we thought were scum (and one who was insane, probably our only useful lynch).

Here's what I think. Plum Kitaki is a Serial Killer, or some variant that keeps killing off Townies. Ema Skye, Damon Gant, and Furio Tigre are scum. This depends on me believing Will Powers and not Ema. Gant raised suspicion when his new player came in and said "oh don't suspect me guize the other guy played scummily". And Furio? He's had a scum vibe around him for a while.

Then again, <i>I could be very very wrong</i>. I'm going with my gut here. However, I still like the idea of voting off inactives. Ema Skye has been rather inactive, as evidenced by the post count in comparison to Will Powers.

The last two times I trusted my gut, I was wrong, despite all the evidence pointing to Godot and Luke Atmey. However, the evidence against Godot was Director Hotti's innocence claim, and the fact that he posted his roleclaim of doctor in green as opposed to yellow, and a few missteps while under interrogation. And Luke wasn't doing as much as he probably could have to help the town, and that was for newbie reasons. Why should I trust my gut? There's a bit more conclusive evidence on Ema, or so I think. I'm going to vote for Ema here, but then I'm going to go check past votecounts to see who voted for confirmed innocents (not like there'll be that much to help us there, as everyone has been confirmed innocent so far). We're idiots! Let's get out of this slump, Town!

##Vote: Ema Skye

EDIT: Edited "going with my gut" to italics for emphasis.

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 09:44 PM
Now is the time for hard descisions for me. Town can't afford another townie kill and if I pick the wrong person(Ema or Will) I will be next. That would mean that another 2 townies would die, plus the 4 that die in the night. God! Pressure!

Let's hear their responses first.

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 09:44 PM
@Gant: How do you know there are two mafian factions? And if it was a 50/50 percentages of Mafians to Townies we'd have lost already.

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 09:47 PM
There are two kills at night aren't there?

Plus, In large games they usually put 2 4-team mafia's.

No, I mean that with Vanilla's usually staying inactive, because that's boring, and Mafia's being active, seeing as they want to steer people away from mafia members, the percentage that actually posts would be 50/50, definitely now that 3 active townie posters died.

[M] Helo
06-16-2008, 09:56 PM
Damon Gant;2510323']There are two kills at night aren't there?

Plus, In large games they usually put 2 4-team mafia's.

No, I mean that with Vanilla's usually staying inactive, because that's boring, and Mafia's being active, seeing as they want to steer people away from mafia members, the percentage that actually posts would be 50/50, definitely now that 3 active townie posters died.

What usually happens should not be conclusive evidence of what happens in this game. All Mafia games I've seen have been unique. The mods can really do whatever the hell they want.

Vanilla Townies had better not be inactive, <i>now more than ever</i>. Yeah, we've lost a lot of power roles, but there's still a (though admittedly small) chance we can pull this out with our collective mindset. If we could only figure out who was Mafia.

Also, Gant, this post makes me more suspicious of you. You've been fairly active of late, and now you're saying that Mafia will be more active than Town? Come on, man! Are you telling us you're Mafia? I have no idea. But I don't like the sound of your post.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 09:57 PM
Okay, I've read through everything again and thought things over, and I'm going to vote Ema instead.

##Unvote: Will Powers
##Vote: Ema Skye


I don't think there's a second mafia Gant. We most likely have a bad vigilante or a serial killer. Maaaybe Lovers with a gun.

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 09:59 PM
You're wrong Miles. Towns = green. Even special roles like doctor and cop that have usually been colors like yellow and aqua respectively were announced as green. So why would role blocker be any different?

And also, I find it funny how Jean was killed last night. The same day that he called you out and voted for you. :greenie:

EDIT: @ Gant: Like I said, highly doubt there are two factions now since it would be too unbalanced. Why are you so sure that there is two factions?

Furio, Plum and tracy what do you think of this?

[M] Helo
06-16-2008, 10:04 PM
Good point, Valant. Though I don't think that should be conclusive evidence that Miles is completely guilty, though we should indeed put a watch on him. Jean had many other reasons to be a target. He was obviously Psychotic, a renowned Mafia player, and he hinted numerous times to having a power role. Two dangerous things for a Mafia to have to deal with, I'd wager. Someone got rid of him probably for those reasons.

Then again, this brings up the possibility that Miles could have a separate killing role, and was a vengeful man. Who knows? It's worth speculating about.

[M] Helo
06-16-2008, 10:07 PM
PS: Judge, votecount?

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 10:07 PM
Gant youve just made my suspect list, but I'm still for voting Plum or Ema out of evidence and inactivity.

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 10:18 PM
@Wesley: Ive been active because Ive been replaced. How could you not have noticed that discussion?

@valant: Because It's a 24-player game. The last.. 4 games(?) that had 24 players had 2 factions. It is possible that they used one big mafia, but why would they? If it is, we are certainly screwed. Because that means all night kills are synchronised. Im not saying it is so, Im saying it is most likely.

@Dick: g4u.


Btw vigilante? Jessweee isnt Vigilante again, right? xD

Would explain a lot. xD XD

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-16-2008, 10:21 PM
Gant is either a very disorganized player who's new, or scum trying to mess us up. There's no evidence of a second mafia, let alone that they have 4 members. It's possible, but we can't jump to conclusions with no proof. If it were true then town should just quit now because we still had trouble winning the last game and we got 1 mafia kill every day.


You're wrong Miles. Towns = green. Even special roles like doctor and cop that have usually been colors like yellow and aqua respectively were announced as green. So why would role blocker be any different?

@#&$&#^@ With the stupid color argument already! Besides where did I state Judge didn't announce it to people in other colors? I've never denyed that it was in green for town. If you read my post I was stating that basing the fact that people are adding color to their roles based on the past games use of them is a TERRIBLE indication of scumminess.

However since you see to not want to let off this and seem to want to use idiotic evidence on people to determine scum, I'm nearly inclined to say you are scum just for the fact that your using terrible evidence and trying to make me out as a bad guy by spreading misinformation.


And also, I find it funny how Jean was killed last night. The same day that he called you out and voted for you. :greenie:

Yes. Jean was obviously killed by me because I'm a dumb mafia who kills people that are already huge threats to start, but only do so after he calls me out. Yeah I'm totally that dumb dude....seriously haven't I already talked about this in a previous post about another person and set ups? I swear to god I did.

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 10:31 PM
It is not terrible evidence. Jean had a similar revelation and surprisingly I agree with it. Though of course, as soon as I say something mildly intellectual here you people go with your stupid "no that's dumb evidence". Stfu. No evidence is dumb evidence. If I want to actually contribute stuff instead of the mindless stuff some people have been posting in this thread, then let me. I am not saying you have to agree but to keep arguing with me about it is not going to change my mind and only makes you seem much more scummier. You're wrong. End of story.

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 10:38 PM
@ Gant: Well there's 16 players. If there were two factions that would mean it would have to be split evenly most likely. Usually there's like 4-6 mafia. If there's two mafia factions with members of four then we're basically screwed because then that means if a townie dies today we lose. I think this is highly unlikely and that there seems to be a vig/serial killer. And I don't know why you seem to think there are two. Stop tying to scare people.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-16-2008, 10:40 PM
Your arguing....COLOR! Your basing COLOR as evidence to lynch someone. I can't even begin to fathom how that could be a good idea.


No evidence is dumb evidence.

Well apparently there is or else we wouldn't be having this argument. :monster:

As far as I can see your entire argument against me is "Jean said it!" and "ZOMG Color isn't a good reason to call someone scum?" Sorry your argument against me is failed and weak at best.

The only wrong one I see here is you. You've just shot up my suspect list.

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 10:44 PM
Hm, let's see if my argument is wrong. I am curious now. If I am wrong then I will retract my color comment and apologize. If I am not wrong and you are dumb then your irl persona must lick my knees. Deal? Kthanx.

##Vote: Will Powers

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 10:44 PM
While you guys duke it out I want to ask a question, who do you believe would want me dead the most as of the end of yesterday?

[M] Gaius
06-16-2008, 10:48 PM
I really don't know what to contribute that would help, but I have to post something. So, I'll post the 'alignments' that the surviving characters played in the Ace Attorney games. Might be some spoilers for people who haven't played the games, so I'll put them in spoilers.

[M] Phoenix Wright -Good
[M] Maya Fey - Good
[M] Dick Gumshoe - Good
[M] Will Powers - Good
[M] Miles Edgeworth - Good
[M] Klavier Gavin - Good
[M] Apollo Justice - Good
[M] Trucy Wright - Good
[M] Plum Kitaki - Wife of a Mafia/Yakuza Godfather, but Good
[M] Wesley Stickler - Ignorant. Not evil, but gave false testimony due to bad memory and wouldn't admit to it.
[M] Ema Skye - Good
[M] Valant Gramarye - On the shady side. Kind of Neutral, but has a dark history.
[M] Bikini - Good
[M] Furio Tigre - Evil
[M] Franziska von Karma - Good
[M] Damon Gant - Evil

Of the people who've been offed so far, the only 'Bad Guys' have been Luke Atmey and Kristoph Gavin. Yet they've all been Townpeople. Of course I can't expect all the 'bad guys' to be 'Mafia' in the game since that would be a little obvious, but perhaps it's something to consider.

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 10:49 PM
No no thats nothing to consider. In the Disney addition Pooh was mafia xD

[M] Gaius
06-16-2008, 10:52 PM
As for 'who would want [Dick] dead the most', I would assume whoever you voted for. Which was Ema, Will, and dearly departed Luke. I don't think you drew anyone's ire in particular beyond that.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-16-2008, 10:52 PM
Valant Gramarye;2510382']Hm, let's see if my argument is wrong. I am curious now. If I am wrong then I will retract my color comment and apologize. If I am not wrong and you are dumb then your irl persona must lick my knees. Deal? Kthanx.

So let me get this straight. Your going to vote Will now all cause of the color he posted his role in? Your not even going to base it on any other evidence?

Your very dumb I must say. Oh and no deal. If he flips either way it doesn't matter, your still basing your vote on a color.

Please someone else tell me I'm not the only one to see how utterly idiotic this all is?

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 10:54 PM
No. I stated the various reasons why I think Will is the most suspicious right now. It wasn't just the color thing. Read more.

[M] Gaius
06-16-2008, 10:55 PM
I think the colour thing is pretty stupid too, but a lot of the accusations that have been going around since the beginning have been pretty unreasonable to me. The main reason why I haven't posted much is because I don't know *what* to post. Valant has found something to latch on to, which is a lot more than what I have.

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 10:56 PM
All roles were randomly assigned to characters. Whether they were good or bad in the Ace Attorney games is irrelevant. :P

Stay tuned for a vote count.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 10:56 PM
Yeah, seriously! I mean what if poor Willy is just colorblind?

[M] Gaius
06-16-2008, 10:57 PM
I figured, but I had to say something :P I didn't do *anything* yesterday.

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 10:57 PM
Hmm you guys make a good point. So with one factions and 24 players, I'd say that there isnt a vigilante, but a Mafia serial killer.

Serial killers are seperate from mafia kill right?

With only 6 mafia the mafia mustve had some real power roles to counter overpowered townies. Im guessing godfather, serial killer, Janitor and prostitute. Those are usually popular.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 11:00 PM
I can't remember any Serial Killers that were actually part of the Mafia...aren't they usually independant?

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 11:00 PM
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[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 11:00 PM
Alright guys. Time for me to claim, considering my role makes me unkillable anyway!

I'm a Hider. During the night I can choose one person to hide behind, and if I'm targetted, that person dies instead. Unfortunately, I had a brainlapse this morning, and thought "no one will target me, the Cop and the Roleblockers are getting the gunshot." So I submitted Jean, just so the day could begin.

Now Jean died, this means the mafia/serial killer HAD TO HAVE TARGETTED ME. So I've done some thinking, yesterday, I pressed heavily against Will. I was the only one who appeared really believed he could be innocent from a Cop. On top of that, I had pressed Will hard for the previous sections of the game! So they tried to off me, but hit Jean instead.

I think Will is the Godfather, since I implied that I thought he was several times yesterday, the Mafia wanted me gone, so the rest of the town could believe the cop!

PS- ##Unvote:

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-16-2008, 11:02 PM
Hi. The original Klavier is going to be a bit busy so I'm here to share their account. Any recent inactivity is not their fault, and I intend to contribute to the discussion. Just allow me to catch up.

[M] Gaius
06-16-2008, 11:03 PM
Wow.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-16-2008, 11:05 PM
Dick Gumshoe;2510407']
I'm a Hider. During the night I can choose one person to hide behind, and if I'm targetted, that person dies instead. Unfortunately, I had a brainlapse this morning, and thought "no one will target me, the Cop and the Roleblockers are getting the gunshot." So I submitted Jean, just so the day could begin.

Now Jean died, this means the mafia/serial killer HAD TO HAVE TARGETTED ME.


If somebody tries to kill the hider while he is hiding then the kill fails. If the person that the hider is hiding behind then both of them die.

:monster:

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 11:06 PM
Looks like Edgey got you, Gumshoe!

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 11:07 PM
Ah, thats what you'd think, the mods can change whatever they want, my role PM says all that whoever I'm hiding behind recieves any night action I would.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 11:07 PM
Oh. Well maybe the Judge should clear this up for us, then xD

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 11:08 PM
Gant wtf are you going on about? Mafia serial killer? Now you're just pulling stuff out of your butt and it smells like scummy stench. Or are you just insinuating that you're the serial killer? Ho boy. That would explain your obsession with it and you trying to persuade people in to thinking there are two mafia factions to explain those two kills night 2 (I think) and last night.

[M] Joe - Army Dad
06-16-2008, 11:08 PM
Alright I am back and have read through most of the posts since I left. I wont comment on the color thing anymore except for this. I am used to making it purple because of the other games, so without thinking, I made it purple. Thats it.

I blocked Plum again tonight, and since there were 2 kills I think plum may not be serial killer, or she is mafia and just tonight she wasn't the one executing the kill.

@Gant- The mafia and the serial killer are separated from each other... so yeah they both make different kills.

Soon, I will go to a baseball game(well, a home-run derby), so I wont be back for a little while. I will definently be on before the day is out though, so dont worry.

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 11:10 PM
The judge can't confirm my role that would be against the rules! But not believing my roleclaim because the role isn't exactly what it is from the mafia flash would be stupid.

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 11:12 PM
I will not be commenting on anything to do with anyone's role claims.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 11:14 PM
...but it's still a bit confusing...so if the role were to have worked as it says in the flash, then if you were targetted, the kill wouldn't work at all, but if Jean was targeted, you'd both die. Hmmm....

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 11:14 PM
Yes the only difference is with my role if I'm targetted the person I'm hiding behind becomes the target!

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 11:17 PM
*CHINRUB*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/phoenix-thinkinga.gif


Makes sense I guess.


So what does this mean? You were targetted because you said something about Will? Hmm...

[M] Gaius
06-16-2008, 11:18 PM
I think that's why he asked earlier 'who wants him dead the most from the last round'.

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 11:19 PM
Thats what I believe, him and Luke are the only two I went after, the only two who could want me dead right now. Luke isn't alive so we could take him out of the picture, and with Jean believing Will, me being dead would've given him great position of trust with the town.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-16-2008, 11:21 PM
That's possible...but it could also be a ploy.

I don't know, I'm still not totally sure about Will or Ema.

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 11:23 PM
A ploy?

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 11:26 PM
Valant Gramarye;2510416']Gant wtf are you going on about? Mafia serial killer? Now you're just pulling stuff out of your butt and it smells like scummy stench. Or are you just insinuating that you're the serial killer? Ho boy. That would explain your obsession with it and you trying to persuade people in to thinking there are two mafia factions to explain those two kills night 2 (I think) and last night.

What the fuck did I do now? I merely said that I dont think there is a vigilante, but a serial killer. Because the town would be overpowered otherwise. Why are you so intent on suspecting me?

And what obsession? I mentioned it in two posts. Seriously man, calm your ass down.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-16-2008, 11:31 PM
GRRRRR I AM MILES EDGEWORTH AND I AM ANGRY ABOUT COLOR BEING USED AS EVIDENCE CAN'T YOU FEEL MY INTERNET RAGE?

lol

Of course it's evidence and you guys shouldn't ignore it just because some shady dude says it's stupid a bunch of times. You tell the truth in mafia. The truth was that his role was not purple, and he shouldn't have implied that it was. End of.
The only wrong one I see here is you. You've just shot up my suspect list.How dare you disagree with me! For disagreeing with me on whether something is good evidence, you're a suspect! :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:

I think you'd better call me a suspect, hotshot, because I disagree with you. You can also call me dumb and an idiot and maybe even a communist if you like!

Seriously can none of you see nothing wrong with the way this joker - who has kept out of arguments so far - has suddenly started trying to take over and boss the town about with ad hominem personal attacks?

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-16-2008, 11:34 PM
Eh I don't buy your claim Dick. It's too convenient that I call you out on not knowing the role based on the flash rules and you throw back "The mods changed it". Honestly if they did make such a huge change to a role that already has rules about it from the flash (which is practically the only place we turn to for roles and rules for the most part) they would have mentioned such at the start.

Besides a Hider that hides and gets other people killed is kind of stupid anyways. That's not how the hider role works. I seriously doubt they would turn a hider into a reverse bodyguard.

So I know who I'm voting for. Prove me wrong if you can.

##Vote: Dick

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-16-2008, 11:34 PM
@ Gant I was replying mostly to the fact that you said mafia serial killer as if there is such a thing. I highly doubt there is. If there is such a role it would just be serial killer/vigilante. Obviously you know I believe that theory more. But anywayz. first, two factions now mafia serial killer? Make up your mind, man. xD

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 11:37 PM
Alright. I'm pushing Edgy up on my list, way up. Everything he's done is the opposite of what I'd call "good" for a townie.

Of course roles can be editted however they want! Psychotic had to hit on other freakin' guys! The color fight does matter a bit, not enough to kill someone but it matters a bit.

My top to suspects are now: Edgeworth, Will. Behind those two is Plum.

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 11:39 PM
Valant Gramarye;2510446']@ Gant I was replying mostly to the fact that you said mafia serial killer as if there is such a thing. I highly doubt there is. If there is such a role it would just be serial killer/vigilante. Obviously you know I believe that theory more. But anywayz. first, two factions now mafia serial killer? Make up your mind, man. xD

I agreed that if there were two factions, we wouldve lost already. You could've opened your eyes and read that.

And mafia serial killer is wrong, i admit. It is supposed to be "Serial killer". I just doubt that it is a vigilante(with 1 mafia faction and 24 players), unless Jessweee is back in that role.

@Dick: One question.. Why roleclaim? Did you really think we would kill Will because of that reason? If we would lynch him it would certainly not be bacause of this weird roleclaim.

[M] Mom Host
06-16-2008, 11:39 PM
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[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 11:40 PM
Actually think about it. Let's say I was mafia, what does this roleclaim do for me? Try to kill a Will? That could put Ema in risk, who the town seems to agree one of them is mafia so this would be a crap idea. Hell, did anyone even mention my name? If I was scum, I didn't need to claim now. I was hoping some scum would take my claim as bait to reveal themselves. Thanks for doing it Edge.

##Vote: Edgeworth.

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 11:43 PM
So.. we are going after another person who is not 50/50 mafia?

Im going to vote for either Will or Ema tonight and nothing you can say or do will change that, as that would just be stupid.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-16-2008, 11:51 PM
The truth was that his role was not purple, and he shouldn't have implied that it was.

I'm seriously done with this color argument. It's the stupidest argument I've seen in forever. If you want to go around taking color as evidence of guilt be my guest. I'll just think your a moron for doing so. As for me I'll stick with logic and actually reading what people say.


How dare you disagree with me! For disagreeing with me on whether something is good evidence, you're a suspect!

*Slams head on desk*

The reason I find Valant so suspicious is his relentlessness to throw out idiotic proof as reason for scummy activity. Then he tries to make me out to be scum based on making up evidence (i.e. saying I was saying the role colors weren't written as green/red however IF anyone bothers to read my posts I never said anything of the nature) and basically just trying to spread over misinformation and confusion.


Seriously can none of you see nothing wrong with the way this joker - who has kept out of arguments so far - has suddenly started trying to take over and boss the town about with ad hominem personal attacks?

And how about you Mr. Gavin? I see nothing but attacks coming from you.

And I don't see anyone else trying to lead the town to victory. I didn't bother posting much the first 3 days because I was busy with work and honestly uninterested in the game. As far as I'm concerned the first 3 days were nothing but one big cluster**** because of Hotti.

Seriously I'm with Plum on this one. Town deserves to lose at this point.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-16-2008, 11:51 PM
Why is Emma scummy? Seriously? Assume she's lying and is mafia. She counter-claims roleblocker. What if we'd believed her and lynched Will, and he flips roleblocker? Why on earth would a scum sacrifice themself to take out the roleblocker of all things?

Now, as a lynchee should be told they are Vanilla Town, I think we can rule out Emma as the lyncher and Will as the lynchee.

If she is actually scum, clearly the mafia are terrified of roleblockers for some unknown reason. Evidently they would have some very weird roles.

Also, here's a thought: Naive roleblocker. Don't say "Oh my lord that's not in the flash so it can't be real!" or something. Yeah. Yeah it can be. Just something to consider.

[M] Colette
06-16-2008, 11:55 PM
Even the Judge said it was stupid to go for a townie when there is a 50/50 mafia kill.

They could both claim roleblocker because it a small pro town role, which would make them townie in our eyes. I'm not going to risk a mafia lynch because of arguments you all seem to have.

I want to hear from those two.. and I want to hear from them now.

Also, the hider roleclaim is very suspisious. The only person I would consider voting for besides those two.

[M] Apollo
06-16-2008, 11:58 PM
I'm more then positive Edgeworth is mafia, if he is, then I believe my thought on Will is supported because Edgeworth is clearly trying to save him. Edgeworth has to be mafia. When the mafia found out I have an unkillable role they have to get me lynched before my claim is believed. The crapiness of Edge's excuse for voting for me shows that.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 12:04 AM
Miles Edgeworth;2510458']

I'm seriously done with this color argument. It's the stupidest argument I've seen in forever. If you want to go around taking color as evidence of guilt be my guest. I'll just think your a moron for doing so. As for me I'll stick with logic and actually reading what people say.And I'm seriously not done with this color argument so suck it up. No, it isn't stupid. He did something he was not supposed to do. I'm not saying it's evidence of guilt. I'm saying it's evidence that his claim is less believable. PRO-TIP: If you're going to call someone a moron, you might want to use the correct form of "you're" in the same sentence. :kiss: Also, reading what people say? I am reading what he says. If I hadn't read it, I wouldn't know he wrote it in purple, would I?


*Slams head on desk*
*Takes off pants and does a dance* :rolleyes2


The reason I find Valant so suspicious is his relentlessness to throw out idiotic proof as reason for scummy activity. Then he tries to make me out to be scum based on making up evidence (i.e. saying I was saying the role colors weren't written as green/red however IF anyone bothers to read my posts I never said anything of the nature) and basically just trying to spread over misinformation and confusion.Alright cool. No problem with that except the first bit because the color thing isn't stupid.


And how about you Mr. Gavin? I see nothing but attacks coming from you. I don't think I've called you stupid, an idiot or dumb. I called you hotshot and a joker though! I'd like to be called hotshot, personally. It would make me feel like Tom Cruise in Top Gun.


And I don't see anyone else trying to lead the town to victory.Leading the town to victory and calling them stupid a whole bunch are not the same thing.


I didn't bother posting much the first 3 days because I was busy with work and honestly uninterested in the game. As far as I'm concerned the first 3 days were nothing but one big cluster**** because of Hotti. Or 'cause you were scum keeping your head down. One of the two.


Seriously I'm with Plum on this one. Town deserves to lose at this point.It's always the bitter ones that say this, isn't it? Plum was pissed that she was gonna be lynched, and now you're pissed because people have a problem with you.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 12:22 AM
Smurf it. I give up. You lot are literally making my brain hurt. Your wasting your time on stupid things like debating colors and going on some really stupid evidence all the while so many more suspicious people slip on by while you go after a townie.


It's always the bitter ones that say this, isn't it? Plum was pissed that she was gonna be lynched, and now you're pissed because people have a problem with you.

I'm not pissed to have suspicion on me hell if people DIDN'T have suspicion on me I would be worried. I'm pissed people can be so smurfing stupid. Let alone be such asshats about the whole thing.

Really I don't care anymore. I'm a Vanilla Townie. And honestly if you lot are town then town's clearly lost.

Either way I'll be laughing my ass off when I flip town at the end of the game. :monster:

Here I'll speed up a mafia victory.

##Unvote: Dick
##Vote: Miles

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 12:27 AM
Well shoot, remind me never to disagree with someone in mafia again.

[M] Colette
06-17-2008, 12:37 AM
Oh you have no idea how stupid town can be. In the 6 games Ive played the only times I was actually suspected was when I was town. The two times I was mafia I freaking won.

The fact is that there are so many slip-ups now that I dont know who to vote for first. Dick? Will? Ema? Valant?

I think I'll just see how it is in the end.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 12:37 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/f_-_warggh.gif

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 12:39 AM
I'll just pretend I didn't see Edgey vote for himself, my brain can't process that right now.

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 12:43 AM
Please refrain from calling each other idiots or dumb or Tom Cruise. Especially Tom Cruise.

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-17-2008, 12:46 AM
As far as I'm concerned Miles is the most suspicious right now although I still have my eyes on Will. I think Miles is attempting to protect Will but is failing miserably. Miles is hectically going after various people such as Ema, Will, myself, Wesley and now Dick. While seemingly strategically avoiding others which is a no no. Because as far as I'm concerned Furio, Tracy, Plum, Phoenix, Maya and Bikini are not off the chopping block. Now I've been theorizing that it could because they are his fellow scum mates, but that would mean way too many mafia and they'd be way too overpowered.

Plus, I am still inclined to believe that Will is lying. Another thing that struck me as suspicious is how Miles attacks me for coming up with some logic to why I think Will is scum yet quickly denounces it as stupid and ignores the various other reasons I gave for him being scum and instead fussing about the color thing. Perhaps, to to divert attention away from Will and more on to me. But, it backfired and is now directing that attention to him and Will even more.

So he tries to divert attention away from him again by going after Dick who claims Hider. Now tbh, I am not entirely buying Dick's role claim but Dick hasn't struck me as scum as much as Miles and Will do. Also this:


The reason I find Valant so suspicious is his relentlessness to throw out idiotic proof as reason for scummy activity. Then he tries to make me out to be scum based on making up evidence (i.e. saying I was saying the role colors weren't written as green/red however IF anyone bothers to read my posts I never said anything of the nature) and basically just trying to spread over misinformation and confusion.

He says my proof is idiotic and that I'm making him out to be scummy. I don't have to do that, you've done it all your own. And he puts words in to my mouth that I never said. I never said that you said (wow redundant) the colors weren't written as green/red I said (and since you like to not read I will repost):


You're wrong Miles. Towns = green. Even special roles like doctor and cop that have usually been colors like yellow and aqua respectively were announced as green. So why would role blocker be any different?

In no where did I state that I thought you said they weren't green. I was just merely stating that pro-town was usually green. You are misinterpreting what I say in an overly defensive way.


I've never denyed that it was in green for town.
And again, I never said you denied it.

Then your choice for voting for Dick today has me extremely suspicious now. You were most suspicious of Ema I presume and yet as soon as Dick claimed you hoped on the ball to go after him and even vote for him. Despite the Will and Ema are clearly the most suspicious right now...well that was until you.

I had more to post to as other things have struckme as suspicious too, but there's a storm coming and my power might go out so I may have to finish it for later. How many more hours left, Judge?

[M] Colette
06-17-2008, 12:46 AM
Judge;2510506']Please refrain from calling each other idiots or dumb or Tom Cruise. Especially Tom Cruise.

Tom Cruise isnt stupid.. he's just.. special. xD

[M] Kurt - Cool Dad
06-17-2008, 12:53 AM
Damn. Power gonna die. :( Screw it. Miles you've dug your dog house and you're just bitter now because you can't get out of it. If you were town you'd be encouraging logic and not dissmissing it as dumb unless you were obviously doing it to protect fellow scum mates.

##Unvote: Will Powers
##Vote: Miles Edgworth

Plum, Will, Miles and Gant are all on my scum lists now. In order of whom I feel is most guilty right now:

Miles for just a few reasons I stated. If I have time I will post more, but it's not likely cuz the thunderstorms cut my power off.
Will for reasons I stated earlier. Too lazy to go back and quote them but it's not just the color thing like Miles seems to think.
Plum because she pops in, votes and doesn't contribute much to conversations. Also, because I think Will is guilty and he is trying to clear Plum by saying he blocked her.
Gant because of his odd obsession with the vig/serial killer and two mafia factions thing.

Ema is still not in the clear though and I would like Bikini and Furio to post more plz.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 12:58 AM
Can we have a vote count, Udgey?

[M] Colette
06-17-2008, 01:06 AM
Oh yeah, Im obsessed baby. *humps serial killer's leg*

xD

Nothing makes sense anymore. :p

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/6/16/f_tbbgrayy8m_3de28e4.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/6/16/f_tbbgrayy8m_3de28e4.jpg&srv=img32)

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 01:12 AM
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[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 01:15 AM
I unvoted Will...you have me up there twice xD

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 01:18 AM
I think Miles could be trying to pull a Plum. "Nobody likes me you deserve to lose!" to make people feel sorry for him and not vote for him.

Miles has kept his head down most of the game, acting only when he has needed to. Take Day One. Originally he wanted a vote for Phoenix because of video game reasons, but then when a tie-breaker was needed, he popped up out of nowhere and did it, perhaps to speed up the scum's night kill. Day

Day two, he flip flops about Hotti, offering various theories without really offering too much discussion about them. Day Three, acts unsure about Godot one way or the other instead of wanting to take a fixed position. Seriously this post is wtf.
I still have a lot more to think about. I'm almost swayed to not vote for Godot today, because if he is scum and he posts more, he'll only destroy his team mates in the end by giving us enough info to track back to them. But honestly I don't trust Godot as far as I can throw him.
Not voting for a scum so that they can survive and out their team mates, and then informing them of this plan? Really? what. He then voted for Phoenix for inactivity (a safe vote because Phoenix was not in danger of being lynched) so as not to be a part of the Godot lynch.

Next day, this

As far as who I'm suspecting now, Luke has some suspicion in my eye, but not the most. Lamiroir seems one of the strangest to me at the moment as many have brought up, but I'll need to read over some more to get a better grasp. Plum is another one that I still find suspicious, I just didn't like how fast she gave up and just how quickly suspicion fell off of her. I'm still not quite sure what to think of her.Sticks out. Being vague and non-commital to all. Some suspicion. Strangest...but I'll need to read over. I'm still not quite sure what to think of her. Leaving his options open to vote for any of the big three noises early on that day, without actually having to commit to one of them.

Will Claims and Miles is all over him with the love.
As far as Will goes, I kind of believe him. Last night no kill, so that could mean several things, a recruit happened, a protector role did their job, or a role blocker blocked the right person And then when Emma claims he tries to undermine it a bit without going too far.
That's awfully convenient. Same night 3 block as the first role claim. I don't think that means your the lying one, but I still find it a bit fishy.I don't know why the hell it is fishy to have blocked the same as Will seeing as Plum was the big noise that day. As the wind seemed to be going against Will, Miles shifted back into neutral by saying he was unsure which of the two he believed, but when Bikini makes a point for Will, Miles quickly turns it against Emma.
Actually that is a very good point. I'm so tired I can hardly think at the moment. But you bring up a good point which is making me look at Ema with more of an urge to vote.

While Will still holds some suspicion in my eyes, Ema is taking the lead of the 2 at the moment.

Then today he has his little rant about the color thing. It's like he's absolutely desperate for everyone to believe Will. He doesn't even consider the possibility that Will is full of :skull::skull::skull::skull:.

Today he's been all over Emma and whined and whined about the color thing until everyone believed him. Why is he so desperate for Emma to be lynched and for Will to be believed? And yeah he has his breakdown tantrum thing when things don't work out.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 01:19 AM
Trucy Wright and Phoenix Wright have both been playing very quiet and conservative games. Offering little deep analysis, saying inoffensive things, generally toeing the line and not wanting to stick out much. It seems like they've been waiting to see how everyone else reacts than reacting themselves.

Trucy's been talking a lot about being new and not knowing what to do. Maybe that's genuine, but I dunno, she's used it a lot and her scumbuddies could have encouraged her to play it up. Really, you play mafia by looking for little things that strike you as odd. When you see something, you look for other odd things that person has done, try to look for a motivation for them acting this way and present it to the rest of us.

She doesn't vote for anyone on Day One, Day Three, or Day Four. Seriously what the heck is that all about? Isn't this against the rules, Judge?

Phoenix on the other hand, has kept away from the lynches of Mia, Hotti (on Day 1 and Day 2), Godot, and Luke. He hasn't been on the deciding lynch once. Yeah yeah we shouldn't have a go at people for not lynching townies :p But to me it's more suspicious if you're always trying to avoid lynching the person who will actually get lynched. Today she's flip flopped on the Emma/Will issue, going with the way the wind is blowing.

Also someone interesting is Franziska von Karma, who seemed really intent on sucking up to Jean based on who he is. Trying to get the dreaded and fearsome (and overrated) Psychotic on side so he doesn't ruin your :skull::skull::skull::skull:, huh? :p

[M] Colette
06-17-2008, 01:22 AM
*gets crushed by huge post*

[M] Anise
06-17-2008, 01:23 AM
##Vote: Miles Edgeworth

Just read others reasoning to vote Edge. I'll re-read everythign soon o try and get a better Idea of what the hell you people are doing today.

[M] Colette
06-17-2008, 01:27 AM
I'm going to Boston for a few days. I'll be back on thursday. Happy hunting!

##Vote: Dick

The roleclaim is just ridiculous.

Freya
06-17-2008, 01:30 AM
Too lazy to log in judge cause well... lekana is just lazy.

We have no rules set in place about not voting. We say you should and that we'll hit you with a gavel but no serious things like mod-killing or anything. We're pretty against it though.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 01:31 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/HoldItAnim.gif

I flopped ONCE, and I haven't been very quiet at all! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/jesse053/Ace%20Attorney/smiliephoenixcry.gif
(Well, I was on day three...)

If people voted the same as me, I wouldn't have the problem of not being on the deciding lynch xD


...but yes, I'll concede that I'm very easily influenced and I'm not good at voicing my own opinions. Not to mention that if I could it would probably sound the same as what other people have said, like I said yesterday :p


BUT ANYWAY.

My vote for Ema stays. Well I might switch to Edgey. Maybe. Probably not.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 01:34 AM
I agree with Damon about the roleclaim. There really was no need for that at all if it's the truth.
Dick Gumshoe;2510414']Ah, thats what you'd think, the mods can change whatever they want, my role PM says all that whoever I'm hiding behind recieves any night action I would....so instead of hiding behind someone useful like a mafia which would get them killed, you instead put an important member of the town in the firing line? What the fuck is with that?

Why are people so eager to give up their role anyway? The roleblockers yesterday, the cop too (imo cops shouldn't claim unless they get a big fat guilty), Miles and Wesley claiming vanilla for no apparent reason and Dick today. It's insane.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 01:40 AM
If that's the case about voting and it's not an offence then we sure as hell should be looking at Trucy with a lot of scrutiny.

Also sorry Phoenix, you still are a prime suspect of mine. ;)

I don't know what to do. I don't think Dick and Miles can both be scum, but they've both acted weirdly. There's still the Emma/Will debacle which has yet to be resolved because neither of them have been around. We're so fucked and we have only ourselves to blame.

Will, if you are a lyncher, come forward and we can help you.

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 01:41 AM
Because I figured that my role could provide evidence against Will, and because my role is virtually unkillable anyway. The town needs some info right about now and I could supply some.

It was a crap choice hiding behind Jean, yes. I only did it to procede with the day, and because I was tired and figured I wouldn't be a target.

Also, if it helps I hid behind Luke the other two days in hope he was scum and would try to kill me.

[M] Al - Biker Dad
06-17-2008, 01:46 AM
Too many role claims for me. I'll read through the thread and see what comes up.

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 01:59 AM
Damon Gant;2510545']I'm going to Boston for a few days. I'll be back on thursday. Happy hunting!

*explodes*

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 02:14 AM
I think there's a simple enough way to test Dick's claim. I think we do have a vigilante. Vigilante, take a shot at Dick tonight. :) Dick, who are you going to hide behind? If they turn up dead and you don't, I guess you're telling the truth!

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 02:17 AM
What if there is no vig? The mafia wouldn't want to test my claim. :P

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 02:18 AM
Well I'm cooled off a bit finally. I'm still a tad PO'ed, but honestly if you were in my position who wouldn't be?

Regardless I'm sure I'll die today and meh, so be it. I still don't think town will win at this rate. But there's still things I want to touch upon.


So he tries to divert attention away from him again by going after Dick who claims Hider.

Cause he claimed it wrong. :p A hider hides behind someone and avoids getting killed. A person the hider hides behind that is killed means the hider dies too. I don't believe for a minute that role was changed so much in this game.


Another thing that struck me as suspicious is how Miles attacks me for coming up with some logic to why I think Will is scum yet quickly denounces it as stupid and ignores the various other reasons I gave for him being scum and instead fussing about the color thing.

I hate the color thing. It's pointless and makes no logical sense. There's far better ways and reasons as I already stated in an earlier post against Will that don't involve thinking he's scum using the color purple. You seemed quite adamant to use it as evidence.

Oh and Klavier is actually doing something useful now and actually looking back on what I said instead of relying on stupid theories *cough*color*cough*. Really of right now I don't think Klavier is scum. I just think he's a jerk. :p


I think Miles could be trying to pull a Plum. "Nobody likes me you deserve to lose!" to make people feel sorry for him and not vote for him.

Nah I'm smart enough to know something like that would never work twice. :p Seriously just off me today. You'll be down a townie, but then you'll know I'm not lying about what I said or my theories.


Originally he wanted a vote for Phoenix because of video game reasons, but then when a tie-breaker was needed, he popped up out of nowhere and did it, perhaps to speed up the scum's night kill.

I believe I did mention this earlier, but I swapped because of the 2, one claimed cop, and one was a potential scum. The safest option was to pick to save the cop. Although in retrospect it would have been better to off Hotti no matter how illogical it was. If I did that then, then we wouldn't have gotten a claim against Godot and he wouldn't have died. Besides it would have been a bad move on scum's part to lynch someone there. It would draw too much attention. Though I guess not since people are only really starting to highly suspect me. :p


but when Bikini makes a point for Will, Miles quickly turns it against Emma.

She made a good point. It would be stupid for the Godfather to stick his neck out there.


Today he's been all over Emma and whined and whined about the color thing until everyone believed him.

If it's whining to not understand why people are taking a color text as serious evidence and actually using it as reason to vote for a lynch, then I guess I'm a whiner for not something so crazy.

And last I checked no one believed me except Trucy. You and Valant still seem adamant on the color issue.


Miles and Wesley claiming vanilla for no apparent reason

Hey I had a reason. I just didn't care anymore and have given up hope for the game. :p


And yeah he has his breakdown tantrum thing when things don't work out.

Say what you will but I can take great solace in knowing just how horribly wrong your case against me is. :bigsmile:

You might make some sense in some areas, but I just wish I could see your face when you see me flip town and realize you've been wasting your time for nothing.

But as far as who I think mafia are. I'll assume their large, at 6 members. So the 6 most likely people I believe are mafia are...

-Dick (For reasons I already said)
-Ema or Will (At least one I believe has to be scum.)
-Franziska (mostly just a bit of a gut feeling here, I haven't really gone over her posts enough, nor do I intend to with how this game is going)
-Plum (Something's just not right and she has been gone an awfully long time.)
-Wesley (Made a small role claim early and nonchalantly which bugs me greatly)
-Furio (Just on account of a lot of inactivity, hell I can't even remember what his face looks like XD)

[M] Al - Biker Dad
06-17-2008, 02:20 AM
Could be a SK, as it's likely that or a vig. But would a SK want to test your claim?

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 02:24 AM
Another flaw, if I say who I hide behind, then the mafia can kill him and get a double kill.

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 02:24 AM
Dammit Edge what a stupid reason to think I'm guilty, mods change roles all the time, deal with it.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 02:25 AM
They won't if you choose wisely, I'll bet :p

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 02:27 AM
No no, I'm saying, if we test my role by me saying I'm hiding behind _____________ then seeing if a vig kills ___________. The mafia could just kill whoever I hide behind killing me as well. Besides we don't know if we have a vig.

[M] Al - Biker Dad
06-17-2008, 02:28 AM
Dick Gumshoe;2510584']Another flaw, if I say who I hide behind, then the mafia can kill him and get a double kill.


Dick Gumshoe;2510407']I'm a Hider. During the night I can choose one person to hide behind, and if I'm targeted, that person dies instead.


So if they aim at the person you hide behind they get you as well?

Edi: Dmmit, question was answered as I posted.

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 02:29 AM
Yes. I didn't put that in my intial post?

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 02:30 AM
Dick Gumshoe;2510586']Dammit Edge what a stupid reason to think I'm guilty, mods change roles all the time, deal with it.

True. But nothing as drastic as the guy who you hide behind dies when you get targeted. That's practically rewriting the whole role. Let alone that in the past when they did any tweak to a role they told people about it in the case of it not being a common variant (i.e. bullet proof Vig/SK).

By the way I'm digging it that your calling me Edge. :D

[M] Al - Biker Dad
06-17-2008, 02:30 AM
Dick Gumshoe;2510594']Yes. I didn't put that in my intial post?

No:mad2:

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 02:34 AM
They've tweaked roles big-time! Remember Bulletproof-Day-Vig xD

Well I guess me forgetting to put that in hurts my claim a bit. I'm kinda pissed that I claimed now, seeing as you all decided you'd rather go all over the claim then even consider why I made it.

Really this claim makes no sense for mafia to make though, so I can't understand why you'd think this claim would be a mafia ploy.

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 02:36 AM
And I fail to see how that rewrites the role, it merely weakens it so you aren't godly if you can predict who isn't going to get killed.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 03:00 AM
I am indeed a jerk Miles and I will not deny that! I think the guy who I started sharing with will go crazy when he sees what I have done :lol: But you've been a bit of a jerk yourself too though, mister, so you can't hate me too much for it! :aimkiss: It's nothing personal though so yeah no hard feelings from me.

You might make some sense in some areas, but I just wish I could see your face when you see me flip town and realize you've been wasting your time for nothing.Nah, it's not a waste, it's fun to play mafia otherwise I wouldn't do it. Besides, I made a post that's got to be three or four times the length I made about you about someone else in another game of mafia, got them lynched for it, and it turned out I was wrong. So haha, it'll be hard to beat that.
And last I checked no one believed me except Trucy. You and Valant still seem adamant on the color issue.I think I saw Phoenix and Franziska agreeing too but I am too lazy to check. I'm not adamant tho'. I just think it's not stupid and it's something that shouldn't be forgotten. But I also think it's just one piece in the puzzle; it's not the be all, end all.

I would like to know what you were thinking with the leave Godot alive so he incriminates his team mates thing though.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 03:02 AM
Hold up Dick I think I've misunderstood your role. Suppose you hide behind Furio.

Mafia target Furio: Who dies?
Mafia target you: Who dies?

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 03:04 AM
Also dear lord we need Will and Emma out here because this issue is not going to be resolved without them.

Will: Are you a lyncher?
Emma: Who did you roleblock last night?

(I don't think either has addressed these points but if they have, somebody feel free to correct me)

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 03:06 AM
If mafia targets Furio we both die. If mafia targets me, Furio dies.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 03:08 AM
Ah ok, forget my plan then, it doesn't work.

Still iffy about you hiding behind Jean - probably a bit of a bullet magnet - though. But eh.
Really this claim makes no sense for mafia to make though, so I can't understand why you'd think this claim would be a mafia ploy.I disagree. With it being a town role that cannot be confirmed, and would also explain why you always survive the night, it isn't a bad claim for a mafia to make tbh.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 03:17 AM
Also nobody has anything to say about my thoughts on Phoenix/Trucy? Or anything of their own to add about them?

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 03:24 AM
My thought at the time was, with two possible roleblockers, and a cop having roleclaimed, there was no reason to even worry. Which is why I found it so odd that I was targetted, which was why I needed to point it out that Jean wasn't targetted (because I suppose thats not that odd looking back), but I was, which probably meant something. Then this whole argument arose. Which makes me want to vote for Edge, because I feel he's scum trying to get rid of me and do what the night kill was suppose to.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 03:31 AM
I don't think they'd kill someone just for saying something about Will, though...I mean a lot of people said things about Will xD

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 03:32 AM
I said that I thought he was the Godfather. He was investigated as town, and if they got rid of me, then Will look in the clear.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 03:33 AM
Um...how again? I think maybe I missed some posts >.>

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 03:35 AM
Because a lot of people will listen to a Cop when s/he says someone is town. I didn't buy it, still don't thats the reasoning why I think they targetted me, because I already know I was targetted. And you don't have to believe it, but if you lynch me like a few of you might be tempted to, then you'd know I was targetted.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 03:39 AM
Oh okay. I think I understand your reasoning, now xD

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 03:40 AM
I am indeed a jerk Miles and I will not deny that!

At least your honest. :p


I think the guy who I started sharing with will go crazy when he sees what I have done :lol:

Your a replacement? Though I think I know who you are now. XD


But you've been a bit of a jerk yourself too though, mister, so you can't hate me too much for it!

Ture, though in my defense Valant was kind of the first to be a jerk. Then you hopped on on an argument against me which I still find ridiculous. But let's not go down that road again. But I think you can see I was a bit angry to suddenly get jumped against. Though it's kind of ironic, most people who know me IRL say I'm the calmest guy ever, it takes a hell of a lot to get me upset usually.:choc2:


I would like to know what you were thinking with the leave Godot alive so he incriminates his team mates thing though.

That's very easy. My thoughts with Godot were simply this. If he was telling the truth then we would kill our doctor. I figured if he were scum as per the "investigation" then he would sooner or later slip up and give us reason without a doubt of his being scum. And probably along the way he might help give up some hints on his scum mates. But alas he was the doctor and we didn't give any more consideration to it. We believed the ramblings of a mad man as truth.


Also nobody has anything to say about my thoughts on Phoenix/Trucy? Or anything of their own to add about them?

I find them suspicious, but not nearly so much so as some others around here. Trucy more so then Phoenix though, just due to her being highly inactive.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 03:43 AM
Wah, we all turn into jerks during Mafia time! Even I did once!

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 03:58 AM
I bet that was adorable.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 04:11 AM
It was probably just annoying...I was mad at all the wrong people xD

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 04:47 AM
Me, sucking up to Psy? Haha :exdee: I had him pissed off and I was acting like that to add fuel to the fire. It's so fun to aggrevate him :bigsmile:

*Clears throat* I noticed that I set off alarms in someone's gut. Care to explain how?

Okay. Here's what I think on the whole color...thing. ANYTHING should be looked into, because as I mentioned before, we had a situation where two people claimed the same role. If one person is lying, they'll have a different color because they don't know the real color because they're lying. The person telling the truth will know the real color because...well, they're the one that got the role. But, we shouldn't look too much on it because we have absolutely no way of knowing what the real color is, unless someone copies and pastes. Which, if I remember correctly, is against the rules?

We're all running around like chickens with our heads cut off right now, and that's not good AT ALL! *Gets out her whip* QUIT BEING FOOLHARDY FOOLS! Gawd. Instead of arguing over petty things with each other, look to the inactive Emma Skye who insists we kill the inactives because they aren't helping. Hello, suspicious much? Hypocrisy is not ftw.

Also, that Darth Vader pic made me LULZ

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 04:49 AM
But, in spite of what I just said about Emma, I'm keeping my vote to Maya.

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 04:55 AM
Anyone who copies and pastes their role PM will get eaten.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 04:56 AM
Udgey is a cannibal O:

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 05:08 AM
If one person is lying, they'll have a different color because they don't know the real color because they're lying. The person telling the truth will know the real color because...well, they're the one that got the role. But, we shouldn't look too much on it because we have absolutely no way of knowing what the real color is, unless someone copies and pastes.Not to beat a dead horse here but....whut?

Besides didn't someone grill Godot for role claiming doctor with green text and we established early on (before Will mind you) that everyone got green text (unless your scum of course)? I would check but that's 30 pages to go through and I'm far too lazy. :p

Regardless Fran summed it up, you can worry about it but in the end you don't know squat about the true color meaning your back at square one.



Miles wasn't content with being just the top persecutor in the whole wide world. Oh no he needed much much more. And during the confusion of all the mafia killings Miles knew what he had to do. That's right Miles, your a Sexy Persecutor, not only are you the best Persecutor your also the sexiest man alive and all the ladies love ya for it. Just look at that pose you sexy beast. Real men wear frilly shirts.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i27/rotothirteen/Mafia/edgeworth-shouta.gif

-Every night you must pick one lucky lady to shack up with.
-You win automatically because of how bad ass you are.

What now Judge? :bigsmile:

[M] Aaron
06-17-2008, 05:10 AM
I'm reading through this right now but I wanted to post and let you know I'm here!

I'm also angry. I don't spend my posts complaining about working, I start them by letting you know where I've been, and I think I've been somewhat helpful so far, even if it isn't a huge contribution. The last thing I did was tell you all not to vote Godot and he ended up dead. As a cop.

Now I've spent the last two days moving into a new place and thought I'd be able to check the internet more. Well, I was wrong. I come back and we've got a faith healer AND a cop dead? Great, we've got a hole to get out of, let's start looking for a rope. /grumpy

Sorry, I understand you need to be here to play, but this (move) was something I didn't anticipate would take as much time, so I'm here and ready to sift through things. I'll post another analysis once I finish sifting through these last four pages.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 05:13 AM
Oh before I forget.

##Unvote: Miles
##Vote: Ema

That'll tie it up I believe. Gotta have some dramatic tension no? That and I want to try and nail at least one scum before I kick the bucket.

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 05:17 AM
That role PM is obviously fake because everyone knows I wouldn't be Tom Cruise enough to confuse "prosecutor" with "persecutor". :bigsmile:

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[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 05:19 AM
Judge;2510711']That role PM is obviously fake because everyone knows I wouldn't be Tom Cruise enough to confuse "prosecutor" with "persecutor". :bigsmile:

Gimme a break I've run off like half sleep for the past 4 days. :p

[M] Anise
06-17-2008, 05:20 AM
AFter reading again, I can't see a reason to stick with Edge.

So, since I believe Will over Emma,

##Vote: Ema

Let us just hope I am not horribly wrong in my Judgement.

[M] Anise
06-17-2008, 05:20 AM
##Unvote: Edge
##Vote: Emma

There we go. :p

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 05:28 AM
Care to explain a bit more why you took your vote off me Bikini? After all there's quite a few people that want me dead. And just a minute ago it looked like I was to be the one to die today. A sudden vote hop looks mighty strange without an explanation.

[M] Aaron
06-17-2008, 05:29 AM
Ok, so you all are doing a great job of analyzing everything, but I'd like to reitterate that which has already been brought up:

WILL/EMA 50/50 MAFIA KILL CHANCE! (Probably)

Seriously. Other than being a jerk, Edge and Klavio don't warrant enough attention to be drawing away from the previous two, at least that's what I think. I think Trucy and Pheonix are also something to look into, but we have two people claiming the same role and we have already lost a doctor, 2 cops and a faith healer. I don't think 2 roleblockers are possible at this point and I don't think that can be overlooked. I'm taking notes on some of you others, sure, but I really think we need to hear from both Ema and Will today.

[M] Aaron
06-17-2008, 05:29 AM
Also, Lek, if you're around, can we get another vote count?

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 05:33 AM
Yeah both Will and Ema have been kind of gone since yesterday. I would like to hear from them before we kill one of em. You know mainly so they can defend themselves against all the numerous accusations brought up against them.

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 05:35 AM
@Miles: Can I be your lucky lady tonight? :jokey:

Good points, Maya. Now for me to stick to my earlier promise of changing my vote if you post.

##Unvote: Maya Faye

##Vote: Emma Skye

The pot who calls the kettle black.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 05:36 AM
I don't think there's a 50/50 chance because of the following possibilities:

1) Two roleblockers
2) Naive roleblocker
3) Lyncher/lynchee

Maybe you can say there might not be two roleblockers, but when you think about it, if two is the maximum kill count, three kills have been stopped somehow.

I don't really want to place a vote with regards to all of that until Emma and Will answer the question I asked them both.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 05:38 AM
Franziska von Karma;2510732']@Miles: Can I be your lucky lady tonight? :jokey:


Oh Franny, you already were on nights 1 and 3. :love:

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 05:39 AM
LEKANA DOESN'T DO VOTECOUNTS THIS IS ROTO

GIMME A SEC

[M] Anise
06-17-2008, 05:40 AM
I unvoted you because up until now I've only found people who annoy me suspicious, which you did when you turned around and pulled a Plum. :p

Though after I though about that, I looked over and had no real reason to find you suspicious.

Emma, however, turned out and claimed Roleblocker, and it turns out the Cop found the other one Innocent already.

And as I said, I dont' think the Godfather would try to pull that stunt since he has no way of knowing who was investigated when that happened.

Meaning my suspicsion is on Emma for her Roleclaim.

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 05:42 AM
Alright, so I have to go to bed early because I have to get up tomorrow morning and do something so this will be my last vote count for a while. Lekana doesn't do votecounts cause she blows at them. I don't know when I'll be back online, but it should hopefully be before the end of the day. xP

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[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 05:44 AM
Miles Edgeworth;2510735']
Franziska von Karma;2510732']@Miles: Can I be your lucky lady tonight? :jokey:


Oh Franny, you already were on nights 1 and 3. :love:
Night 5 is almost here...it's been too long...I CAN'T BE WITHOUT YOU ANY LONGER :cry:

The only reason I have to NOT find Emma suspicious is the fact that Will was so hesitant to answer questions, but that's even a minor thing. He was probably just up from the computer. Emma is more suspicious because she was so quick to jump on Will like that.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 05:45 AM
You know, for a lot of people suspecting Will more so of the 2 "Role Blockers", no one sure is voting for him. :shifty:

Either the arguments I brought on Ema were that persuasive (doubtful) or I completely missed something in my deducing.

In either case Phoenix and Fran (sigh why are all the sexy girls so evil and suspicious :() both swapped votes from Will to Ema.

Can I ask you both why?

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 05:45 AM
Blah Fran beat me to it. :p

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 05:47 AM
I don't get why Will (if he was mafia) would do something like that to get Plum lynched, or why Emma (if she was mafia) would do something like that to get Will lynched. Either way, it's really not worth it.

So yeah that's why I don't see this as a black-and-white one is scum and the other is not issue.

[M] Walter - Smart Dad
06-17-2008, 05:53 AM
The way I see it, if Will were mafia doing it, he would be trying to prove he was the role blocker and thus make it appear as if he were a confirmed townie. However the big fault in that plan would namely be it being a risk, and the fact that the mafia thus far haven't had to do it. Why do a risk when you already have a perfect victory ahead of you?

As far as Ema doing it, it could be mafia trying to get the role blocker and prove a mafia as a role blocker and thus confirmed townie in one fell swoop.

Although the Lyncher/Lynchee is starting to sound a bit more plausible. I'm still just nervous with how the voting has been going thus far. I just can't help but get this feeling in the back of my head that the mafia are just sitting back on this one again.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 06:00 AM
The Will thing is pretty much what I thought, although I do think there are better roles to confirm yourself with.

As for Emma, if she got Will lynched, it wouldn't prove her as a roleblocker - it would prove her as mafia for getting the real roleblocker lynched, because we'd see how Will flips. But honestly, why sacrifice yourself to take out the roleblocker? A cop, a doctor, sure, that could be worth it, but not a roleblocker of all things. Especially when roleblockers aren't likely to be protected at night. If you're that desperate for one to be killed, you could always wait until then.

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 06:08 AM
*headdesk*

Wrong account, chicka.

For lyncher/lynchee...If I remember correctly, it's the lyncher's job to try and get the lynchee lynched, no matter what. The lynchee is supposed to prevent their own lynching.

Someone else can explain if I'm wrong, but I'll try and look it up.

[M] Dave Stepdad
06-17-2008, 06:10 AM
To Edgey~ I found Ema and Will to be equally suspicious. I decided to trust Lam's results and changed my vote to Ema. Also I didn't like how she said a couple of things about me being inactive, it hurt my feelings!


...and yes, it's also influenced by other players opinions if you were all wondering :p

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 06:16 AM
I was wrong. The Lynchee has no idea that they're the lynchee, but if the lyncher is killed before they have the chance to get the lynchee killed, he loses. If he gets the lynchee killed before his death, he wins. The lyncher has no alignment but the lynchee is pro-town.

This is plausible because Emma was totally rough on Will, and Will showed up as being innocent when investigated by Lamiroir.

What I think is going on:
She called out the same roll he did because she knew he was under scrutiny already, and it was the perfect opportunity to get people to vote to lynch him. If she called roleblocker too, because she wasn't as suspicious as he is, everyone would immediately turn to Will with questions. As soon as everyone began to fire questions, she quietly slipped away, and hasn't been back since. Will has, I believe.

It's just too obvious to me, now that I think about it.

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 06:17 AM
Emma has constantly been urging us to vote Will. Just thought I'd add that to my "What I think" section.

[M] Aaron
06-17-2008, 06:47 AM
Has Will been back?

That's the only thing I'm not quite sure of, but the rest of that actually makes a good bit of sense. When do we have to vote by?

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 06:58 AM
The end of the day, which will probably be sometime tomorrow.

[M] Gaius
06-17-2008, 10:30 AM
Klavier Gavin;2510541']
She doesn't vote for anyone on Day One, Day Three, or Day Four. Seriously what the heck is that all about?

For some reason, I can't vote until someone is clearly in the lead in and will definitely be lynched. Theoretically, it's extremely easy for me to vote, only my timing has been off. The days have usually ended before I get a chance to check in and see if someone is leading in the votes. It's no fault of the judges, they've even given me helpful 'pings' to tell me to check the thread, but a lot of the time I'm not around.

As for my personal thoughts. Generally, Will and Ema are both equally suspicious. However, if Gumshoe actually is a Hider, I think Will might have actually targetted Gumshoe when he was 'hiding' behind Jean. And with Lamiroir's innocent verdict of him, he could very well be the Godfather. For that reason, Will is more suspicious to me. Or Gumshoe, for the possible fabrication of his story as a mafia trying to get a townie killed. But I think if he was Mafia trying to get Will lynched...more people (his Mafia allies) would have supported Gumshoe's story.

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 02:17 PM
This is my problem. There are certain roleclaims that are good for mafia, Certain ones that aren't.

Will's would be. He can be wrong, but if Plum turns out to be a SK then the town trusts him. Or if the mafia has a Janitor, Framer, or anything like that, then the mafia is still in control. Will's expression as "investigate me" also made me weary. Unfortunately our Cop fell for it.

Ema's doesn't because it throws her in a 50/50 chance. The mafia HAS to use a Janitor to save her. Why sacrifice yourself for a roleblocker? Better yet, since the Cop hadn't yet claimed, why claim as a roleblocker? Why not just claim as a cop or a tracker? Thats what I would've done.

If Ema was mafia, that claim makes no sense to make, they gain NOTHING.

[M] Joe - Army Dad
06-17-2008, 04:00 PM
Hi I am back now. The Home-run Derby was fun. Someone got 11 in the first round and then 7 more in the second:D

I am NOT the lyncher.

Also, did anyone else realize that dick made his role green in his roleclaim? Why am I under fire for this and he is not?

Any other questions I may have missed. Ask while I am here.

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 04:04 PM
Because the Hider is normally green.

I still don't know what color makes it that nice light green yet though :cry:

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 04:04 PM
And from the look of it all colors have been green thus far. Cop is normally blue, its green this round.

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 04:26 PM
Come people somebody say something xD

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 04:40 PM
1 hour and 10 minutes left in the day. Nobody voted the entire time I was gone. :P

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 05:02 PM
@Will: no one is calling you the lyncher, and no one mentioned the color because no one cares anymore.

also, the color commonly used for town roles is this one, which is lime green.

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 05:03 PM
then again...it doesn't look bright enough...=\ but when I did "bright green" it came up like this, which isn't even green at all.

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 05:05 PM
Like this?

Fran, whats your opinions on everyone?

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 05:05 PM
Lime Green looks different when it's bolded.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 05:06 PM
Franziska von Karma;2510921']@Will: no one is calling you the lyncher, and no one mentioned the color because no one cares anymore.

also, the color commonly used for town roles is this one, which is lime green.You could not be more wrong :laugh:

I asked him if he was the lyncher, and nobody mentioned the color because you'd have to be the stupidest person of all time to try to use a different color after all the hubbub we had about it.

And I believe what you're looking for is lime, my dear, not limegreen.

Anywho, I think either Dick or Miles is scum. Dick's "Will wanted me killed because I talked about him!" is just poor logic from him, I know Dick can do better than that. There's got to be an ulterior motive. So of the two-

##vote: Dick Gumshoe

[M] Apollo
06-17-2008, 05:12 PM
Luckily it looks like I can't get killed lynched today, as it would be stupid to kill one of our last power roles (unkillable counts as power right? :P)

Your right I can do better, which is why my vote stays on Miles, not Will. If I could see how Edge flipped I'd get a better idea on Will.

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 05:17 PM
I just woke up, give me a break :sad:

I've already mentioned many times what I think of everyone but I'll say it again :p


Franziska von Karma;2510741']The only reason I have to NOT find Emma suspicious is the fact that Will was so hesitant to answer questions, but that's even a minor thing. He was probably just up from the computer. Emma is more suspicious because she was so quick to jump on Will like that.

Franziska von Karma;2510764']I was wrong. The Lynchee has no idea that they're the lynchee, but if the lyncher is killed before they have the chance to get the lynchee killed, he loses. If he gets the lynchee killed before his death, he wins. The lyncher has no alignment but the lynchee is pro-town.

This is plausible because Emma was totally rough on Will, and Will showed up as being innocent when investigated by Lamiroir.

What I think is going on:
She called out the same roll he did because she knew he was under scrutiny already, and it was the perfect opportunity to get people to vote to lynch him. If she called roleblocker too, because she wasn't as suspicious as he is, everyone would immediately turn to Will with questions. As soon as everyone began to fire questions, she quietly slipped away, and hasn't been back since. Will has, I believe.

It's just too obvious to me, now that I think about it.


Franziska von Karma;2510765']Emma has constantly been urging us to vote Will. Just thought I'd add that to my "What I think" section.

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 05:20 PM
I don't know what I think about anyone else because it's frustrating enough trying to figure out this Will vs Emma thing, and REAL LIFE DRAMA (stupid boyfriend...) has me a little less focused on this game and a little more focused on my actual life.

No offense to any of you...this game is fun and all, but my relationship is more important. As you can see, I still have time to post and all that..I make plenty sure I do. But I'm just not as focused on this game all the time as I could be IF HE WASN'T AN IDIOT GRRRR :nonono:

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 05:21 PM
*takes a deep breath* Now that that's out of my system ^^

If you want to know what I think of anyone else, ask and I'll tell. Right now, I need food.

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 05:23 PM
...He's not an idiot, he just doesn't understand! Gr...

Okay, I'm done making this my personal blog -.o

Jojee
06-17-2008, 05:31 PM
I'd replace Gant but you won't give it to me since I know my investigation :(

WRONG THREAD BUT

same thing ^ other thread.

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 05:33 PM
...well after that, Gant looks a little fishy now.

[M] Adama
06-17-2008, 05:36 PM
more than he already did, actually.

[M] Mom Host
06-17-2008, 05:37 PM
Gant's player is going to be gone for a few days. The only thing fishy about it is the fact that this is the second time this has happened. I think the account may be cursed.

13 minutes.

[M] Jeff - Single Dad
06-17-2008, 05:38 PM
You're all god damn fishy, and that's the problem. We need a whole bunch of people who don't contribute a whole lot to go die to make it easier, but we really can't afford to lose more people. Catch Twenty Fucking Two.