E3 2008: Microsoft Official Thread

[XxSephirothxX]

This thread is for discussion of all XBox 360 content at this year's E3.

Microsoft will kick off their E3 2008 presence at 1:30 PM EST today with their annual press conference. Want to watch it live? G4TV will be broadcasting it on-air with no commercial interruptions. You can also catch a live stream here:

G4 - E3 2008 (http://e3.g4tv.com/e32008/press_conf_detail.aspx?pressconference_key=1)

Reference
Microsoft Official E3 Page (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/events/e32008/)
Squad-based Halo rumor (http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26483669&sid=6193720&action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1)
GameSpot Live Coverage (http://e3.gamespot.com/live.html?tag=event_nav;live)
IGN Live Coverage (http://livewire.ign.com/2008/e3/index.html)
Joystiq E3 Coverage (http://e3-2008.joystiq.com/)
Joystiq/Engadget Microsoft Conference Liveblog (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/14/engadget-and-joystiq-live-from-microsofts-e3-2008-keynote/)

With rumors circling about a 360 motion controller, a new Halo game, and the recently-announced 60GB unit and corresponding system price drop, it's anyone's guess what Microsoft actually has in store for us this year.

The Big Stuff
Final Fantasy XIII will be released on the Xbox 360 outside of Japan.
--Resident Evil 5 (March 13, 2009) will feature 2-player co-op.
--Fable 2 (October 2008) will feature co-op.
--Fall Update will bring new dashboard, avatars, Netflix movie streaming, ability to store games on HDD, 16:10 support, and more.
--Portal: Still Alive coming to XBLA later this year.
--Geometry Wars 2 coming in August, features 4-player co-op.
--Gears of War 2 (November 7, 2008) features a 5-player co-op mode called "Horde" where players take on waves of Locusts.

[JKTrix]

I might miss the first part of this due to suddenly having to go AFK. We did just dodge a hurricane (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-flaworlddig07132sbjul13,0,3719766.story) and all.

Guess I'll catch it later.


Edit: Spoilers
Video News Alert - July 14th, 2008 (http://blip.tv/file/1076437)

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

im lagging so bad on it

[XxSephirothxX]

Hightlights so far:

Resident Evil 5 has 2-player co-op and will be out March 13th, 2009.
Gears of War 2 has 5-player co-op against waves of Locusts--doesn't sound like campaign, but still a cooperative combat mode.

[Yamaneko]

They better have a Dashboard redesign.

[JKTrix]

They better have a Dashboard redesign.

Wish Granted.

[XxSephirothxX]

They just did.

[JKTrix]

Avatars (developed by Rare, for what it's worth) look like you'll get more stuff regularly, and even from games. Perhaps achievements will get you some game-related threads.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Wow, so far it do not look good for the other consoles...:(

[Psychotic]

Resident Evil 5 has 2-player co-op and will be out March 13th, 2009.
Gears of War 2 has 5-player co-op against waves of Locusts--doesn't sound like campaign, but still a cooperative combat mode.Both of these announcements are very, very welcome.

[JKTrix]

New platform: Xbox Live Primetime. Your avatars in TV Game shows. You can apparently win 'real prizes'.

XBLA:
Geometry Wars 2
Galaga Legions
Portal: Still Alive (Announced by Glados)
South Park

[TyphoonThaReapa]

NETFLIX!?!? All man that's a low blow...:(

[JKTrix]

I was curious as to how Microsoft would branch out to the more casual crowd, this seems pretty good.

The Live Party feature seems really cool. Launching games instantly, sharing media (including Netflix rented movies), good stuff.

[XxSephirothxX]

I don't really like the new look for the Dashboard, but the features it's bringing are starting to look pretty damn great. The group feature for up to 8 people is awesome; you can simultaneously chat, move your party to various games, or even stream the same movie simultaneously.

Also, Geometry Wars 2 looks fucking crazy. And Galaga could be good; Pac-Man CE was awesome.

[Dreddz]

I get the feeling everything they announce which is related to movies is US only. Hmmm.

Oh and when they showed Galaga I thought I was still watching Geomatry Wars. Thats not good.

[JKTrix]

With regards to the video content, yeah, probably.

[Dreddz]

I never understood why Microsoft are always like this. Maybe they could do better outside of the US if they gave a damn about the rest of the world.

[JKTrix]

It's all legally related. I've asked them (and Nintendo and Sony :P) about it before. I'm sure they want to do this kind of stuff worldwide, but apparently it's complicated.
Edit: All the game-related stuff though is sure to come out everywhere. It's only the video content that gets barred.

[XxSephirothxX]

I can see the licensing issues involved with so many movie studios, television studios, etc. being absolute nightmares. It's complicated enough to work out everything in the country these products are from. Making them available abroad has to be far, far more complicated.

[JKTrix]

Guitar Hero: User generated content, exclusive REM songs, Metallica's new album coming out as DLC on the same day as retail release.

Lips (from Elite Beat Agents/Gitaroo Man creators): Get new songs for the game from a MP3 player! Hope it's not just the Zune... It's not just the Zune. Great!

[Roto13]

Wow, so far it do not look good for the other consoles...:(

Neither Sony nor Nintendo have had their press conferences yet. >_>

[Dreddz]

What exactly has Microsoft done so far that would scare Sony or Nintendo? They spend the whole show bragging and talking about movies. They need to announce something we actually care about thats exclusive to Xbox 360.

[KentaRawr!]

I started watching at the Music Games stuff. It's pretty underwhelming. >_> I think I missed the good parts.

[Roto13]

Guitar Hero: User generated content, exclusive REM songs, Metallica's new album coming out as DLC on the same day as retail release.

Is this going to apply to the other versions as well? Cause I loves me some REM. :P

[JKTrix]

Squenix is on the stage right now. (Broadcast is on a 3 minute delay)

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Square how could you?!?!:(

Well, looks like the wars heating up...

[JKTrix]

Looks like (Squenix President) Wada is just talking about InfinUndi, LastRemnant and Star Ocean

[Jessweeee♪]

Last Remnant looks pretty neat o.o

[JKTrix]

FINAL FANTASY XIII

[TyphoonThaReapa]

THAT TOO?!?!?!?:(

[Jessweeee♪]

OMFG FFXIII ON THE XBOX 360 OH MY GOD YES

[JKTrix]

DAY-AND-DATE WITH THE PS3 VERSION

Microsoft and their money.

[XxSephirothxX]

Final Fucking Fantasy XIII is on the 360. Megaton.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

As they say in Mario Tennis, Game, Set and Match...:(

[Jessweeee♪]

Hells yeah.

[XxSephirothxX]

And Halo is mysteriously absent. I thought we'd see what Bungie's working on or hear about the Peter Jackson project.

[JKTrix]

I'd say that's front page worthy news right there :P

Also surprised at the lack of Halo. I thought I missed it since I missed the first 20 or so minutes when they were showing Gears and Fable (stuff I thought they would save until the end).

[Roto13]

Halo Blue. :P

Also FF XIII on Xbox 360? I need to go threadcromance something in the FF XIII forum and yell "I TOLD YOU SO!"

[TyphoonThaReapa]

This can't be...hell has frozen over...:(

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

what im scared about is the new dashboard and avatars.....i mean wow its gonna take some getting used to :(

[Jessweeee♪]

Now I have to fight with my brother over game consoles again, is the only downside of this ._.

[JKTrix]

Wada did seem to emphasize that putting it on the 360 will broaden its access to gamers in the US and 'Yorrop', so perhaps they aren't even thinking of bringing it out in Japan.

[XxSephirothxX]

If someone wants to summarize the release dates, announcements, and news for the OP that'd be cool. /lazy


I'd say that's front page worthy news right there :P

Also surprised at the lack of Halo. I thought I missed it since I missed the first 20 or so minutes when they were showing Gears and Fable (stuff I thought they would save until the end).
Oh yeah, I guess I'm in charge of that, huh. :p

This can't be...hell has frozen over...:(
Stop whining.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

If someone wants to summarize the release dates, announcements, and news for the OP that'd be cool. /lazy


I'd say that's front page worthy news right there :P

Also surprised at the lack of Halo. I thought I missed it since I missed the first 20 or so minutes when they were showing Gears and Fable (stuff I thought they would save until the end).
Oh yeah, I guess I'm in charge of that, huh. :p

This can't be...hell has frozen over...:(
Stop whining.

I can't help it...I'm...WAAAA!!!!:crying:

[Dreddz]

FFXIII coming to 360 is the biggest blow Sony has got this generation. Funny how Square said they will give all systems equal attention when it is very obvious now that they are favoring the 360.

[XxSephirothxX]

FFXIII coming to 360 is the biggest blow Sony has got this generation. Funny how Square said they will give all systems equal attention when it is very obvious now that they are favoring the 360.
You sure about that?
FFXIII is multiplatform.
Star Ocean is multiplatform.
The Last Remnant is multiplatform.
Versus XIII is (currently) PS3 exclusive.
Infinite Undiscovery is (currently) 360 exclusive.

Their Wii and DS releases are obviously unique.

[Jessweeee♪]

I went into the G4 chatroom. Bad idea xD


I don't get why people are being upset over it, I mean now fanboys of both Playstation and Xbox can enjoy it, right :(

...and people who don't care can just buy for whatever console they have :(

...and people who hate Final Fantasy can not buy it :(

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Yeah, to be serious on my part, it's very logical to see them switch to X-Box360 when we're talking the amount of offering they got and the amount of publicity Microsoft offers. Once again, Sony got the short end of the stick...or a paralleled stick...lol

[Dreddz]

Star Ocean 4 is an exclusive for 360 as far as we know.

One good thing out of putting FFXIII on the 360 is that it has pressured Square in doing a worldwide release date. Gone are waiting up to a year in Europe to get a Final Fantasy after its initial release.

[Jessweeee♪]

All that means is Japan has to wait, too...poor Japan xD

[XxSephirothxX]

They haven't really announced anything about where we'll see Star Ocean 4, but Microsoft didn't talk about it being exclusive, nor did it say "exclusive to Xbox 360" during their presentation. Infinite Undiscovery did say it, however. So I seriously doubt it's exclusive.

[JKTrix]

One good thing out of putting FFXIII on the 360 is that it has pressured Square in doing a worldwide release date. Gone are waiting up to a year in Europe to get a Final Fantasy after its initial release.

Indeed, I was just thinking about this.


I was a little suspicious of this when all those Squenix RPGs were being announced for the 360 and PS3, that they were warming up their multi-platform muscles for something...bigger. I didn't really want to bring it up at the time though.

[Dreddz]

They haven't really announced anything about where we'll see Star Ocean 4, but Microsoft didn't talk about it being exclusive, nor did it say "exclusive to Xbox 360" during their presentation. Infinite Undiscovery did say it, however. So I seriously doubt it's exclusive.

Yeah but Square have said that they don't have any plans to bring it to PS3. So while Microsoft obviously haven't paid Square it doesn't mean it'll definitely come to PS3. So with Star Ocean 4 exclusive as far as we know and the Last Remnant a timed exclusive Square definitely are favoring the 360, how much is up for debate I guess.

[JKTrix]

Maybe they talked about this in the stream and I missed it, but this is something pretty big concerning the new Dashboard and its features:

From Major Nelson's site (http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/07/14/some-of-the-features-in-the-new-xbox-experience-8-person-chat-vga-plus-more.aspx):


· Play from hard drive. Copy your games from the game disc and play directly from the hard drive. Not only will the drive not spin, but load times are quicker, as well. Of course, you will still need the disc in the tray to prove you own the game.

Optional installs. Yadda yadda faster loading, will probably also help considerably with the overheating of the system. Coupled with how they're releasing (or is it 'released') the 60GB 360 for $350, looks like they'll be pushing for this.









Also, Bungie.net has a countdown.
Bungie.net: Service will resume momentarily (http://www.bungie.net/defaultsi.aspx)

[Psychotic]

Fuck yes about FFXIII. Fuck yes.

[Dreddz]

I was a little suspicious of this when all those Squenix RPGs were being announced for the 360 and PS3, that they were warming up their multi-platform muscles for something...bigger.

Reading your comment has got me thinking. Square did say something big is coming up for Final Fantasy VII. The only thing Square can give Sony to make amends now is a Final Fantasy VII remake. Just imagine......

[Roto13]

Versus XIII is staying a PS3 exclusive.

[KentaRawr!]

I'm not really too interested in Square's RPG's as much as before. I'll have to wait until they're released and look at their reviews and gameplay videos before I get hyped for the 360's sudden burst of RPG's. >_>

[Jessweeee♪]

...or keeping Versus exclusive...imagine!

Now more people will be able to play FFXIII, and a lot of them will want to play Versus, too!

[Dreddz]

Just speculating people. I think it could happen. Probably wont.

And Versus is basically going to be Kingdom Hearts so Sony isn't getting much.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

...or keeping Versus exclusive...imagine!

Now more people will be able to play FFXIII, and a lot of them will want to play Versus, too!

In that case, why don't they just make FFXIII Verses exclusive for 360. They are in it for the money after all...:rolleyes2

[Roto13]

Did I read that Portal: Still Alive is coming to Xbox Live? Has that been announced at the press conference yet?

I want a PC version.

[Jessweeee♪]

...or keeping Versus exclusive...imagine!

Now more people will be able to play FFXIII, and a lot of them will want to play Versus, too!

In that case, why don't they just make FFXIII Verses exclusive for 360. They are in it for the money after all...:rolleyes2

Does it really matter xD


They can do whatever they want, as long as the end product is good n.n

[Egami]

They can do whatever they want, as long as the end product is good

QFT

I am first and foremost a FF fan, I am not even a Sony fan. Which console I buy has always been determined by where FF and other games that I like such as MGS are going to be. It was the case with the NES, SNES, PS 1, 2 and 3. It is all about the games, the console is just a platform to play them.

While FF XIII was one of the main reasons I got a PS3, I see no reason to be mad just because it is coming out on the Xbox as well. I see this as a smart move from SE. They are getting bigger and must logically expand their market as the games keep getting more expensive to make. Their business is to sell their game, not a console and if making the game multiplatform helps their business then it would be foolish for them to not do it for the sake of staying "loyal" (whatever that means) to a particular console.

What I hope is that this move to multiplatform doesn't has a negative impact on the quality of FF XIII.


Egami

[Raebus]

Oh well, looks like they'll have to deal with angry fans WAH'ing at the injustice of it all.

[Roto13]

[...]not do it for the sake of staying "loyal" (whatever that means) to a particular console.

Seriously. A lot of people like to think of Squenix as Sony's wife, and by doing anything for anyone besides Sony is, like, cheating or something. xP

[Madame Adequate]

[...]not do it for the sake of staying "loyal" (whatever that means) to a particular console.

Seriously. A lot of people like to think of Squenix as Sony's wife, and by doing anything for anyone besides Sony is, like, cheating or something. xP

Hahaha ain't that the truth.

Although I admit I am surprised. Most would have said Final Fantasy was a system seller and a lynchpin in Sony's long-term plan for the PS3. I would have expected great lengths to keep it exclusive. I guess they just couldn't compete with Moneybags.

Anyway yeah I basically have zero incentive for a PS3 now. Fuck yes to MS and Squeenix.

[Dreddz]

To be honest some people do have a reason to be angry about FFXIII coming to 360. Some people's sole reason to buy a PS3 was FFXIII and now may think they got cheated into buying a system they may not really want.

[Momiji]

To be honest some people do have a reason to be angry about FFXIII coming to 360. Some people's sole reason to buy a PS3 was FFXIII and now may think they got cheated into buying a system they may not really want.

It's not like FFXIII isn't coming to the PS3 at all. Quit your whining.

[XxSephirothxX]

Did I read that Portal: Still Alive is coming to Xbox Live? Has that been announced at the press conference yet?

I want a PC version.

Yes it is, and yes it was.

[Jessweeee♪]

...but Tekken 6 is still on the PS3 ._.

[Egami]

To be honest some people do have a reason to be angry about FFXIII coming to 360. Some people's sole reason to buy a PS3 was FFXIII and now may think they got cheated into buying a system they may not really want.

Well, the game is still coming for PS3, so I don't see how they could feel as if they got cheated (by whom?) into buying it. If the game were not coming for PS3 after being announced for it then it would make more sense for them to be angry.

This has more of an impact on those who are still on the fence when it comes to getting a console. Those who want FF XIII but were waiting for the PS3 to get cheaper will probably go for an Xbox instead.

I can understand how some (myself included) can feel as if the PS3 they got lost some of it's value as it lost an exclusive title. But I don't think that is something to get all worked up for. Perhaps SE can balance things out and announce tomorrow the remake of FF VII as an exclusive for PS3 :p. That would make everyone happy again, I would be happy even if they make that multiplatform as well.


Egami

[KentaRawr!]

I think the reason they'd feel cheated is because they'd prefer the X-Box 360 at that point, assuming FF13 was their sole reason for getting a PS3, and nothing else interests them.

[Raebus]

Well, sucks to be them.

[Dreddz]

It's not like FFXIII isn't coming to the PS3 at all. Quit your whining.

I'm not whining. I own both consoles so it wouldnt even affect me even if it was completely ripped off Sony's line-up and made a full 360 exclusive.

But I am annoyed that FFXIII is coming to the 360. Microsoft are choking this industry to death as they splash their money about. They have no sportsmanship and all they are trying to do is take what Playstation had. Both the PS3 and 360 are getting harder and harder to distinguish at this point. I am beginning to appreciate the 16-bit days more and more as this generation continues. Back when Sega and Nintendo were duking it out they weren't trying to steal every exclusive the other one had. When one had a hit on its hands the other would try to to outdo the other with a new IP, try to do something new and innovative with the genre. Make their fanbase proud to own their console. Now we see no such thing.

Microsoft have no respect left as far as I'm concerned.

[Raebus]

All I care about is that I'll be able to play FF13. I don't give a crap if Microsoft is the source of all evil.

[Dreddz]

360's owners will never understand the full effect of what Microsoft is doing to this industry. Your all just happy that you now get to play FFXIII.

Only people who own both consoles have their eyes wide open and can see the real picture.

[KentaRawr!]

I agree. It's much better for the industry to innovate, and surpass their opponent, rather than just take what's on the other's console.

[Raebus]

Jesus christ, the person I was talking to wasn't kidding when he said people would be pissed off.

[Momiji]

360's owners will never understand the full effect of what Microsoft is doing to this industry. Your all just happy that you now get to play FFXIII.



Actually, I could care less. I've been so unsatisfied with recent Final Fantasy games that I don't really want it unless it's just that good. Either way, I'm never going to be inclined to buy a PS3 unless my trusty PS2 gives out, and even still I'd play my PS2 games more anyway. Even if FFXIII wasn't coming to the 360 I'd just borrow my cousin's PS3 and copy of FFXIII and play that. He wouldn't mind, he's too obsessed with Call of Duty 4 on XBL anyway.

Besides, PS3 will probably be the only system that gets the next sequel of Kingdom Hearts.

Furthermore, I don't see why PS3 owners have any right to be upset. I think they just counted their chickens before they hatched.

[Dreddz]

Furthermore, I don't see why PS3 owners have any right to be upset. I think they just counted their chickens before they hatched.
It was made very apparent before FFXIII was announced for 360 that it would be a PS3 exclusive. People forked out a lot of money to buy PS3's just to get FFXIII and now they realize they could of bought a cheaper system to play it on. Yeah, PS3's owners do have a reason to be pissed.

Its shameful how you can only be sure something is exclusive if its either a first party game or published by the console maker. Once Square said it was exclusive to PS3 they should have been committed to that. And its not like Sony deserved this. They were gunning FFXIII as there big system seller and showed it at every E3 and now they have realized that effort went all to waste.

[Momiji]

Furthermore, I don't see why PS3 owners have any right to be upset. I think they just counted their chickens before they hatched.
It was made very apparent before FFXIII was announced for 360 that it would be a PS3 exclusive. People forked out a lot of money to buy PS3's just to get FFXIII and now they realize they could of bought a cheaper system to play it on. Yeah, PS3's owners do have a reason to be pissed.



Hm. I didn't know that. I haven't read too much into FFXIII due to apathy and the fact it will only be pushed back a thousand times before they finally release it.

[Old Manus]

Don't worry be happy guys, the game will probably be http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gife.

[Dreddz]

Hm. I didn't know that. I haven't read too much into FFXIII due to apathy and the fact it will only be pushed back a thousand times before they finally release it.

I don't know how you could of missed the exclusive part as at the end of every FFXIII trailer up till now it said 'Exclusive to Playstation 3'.

[Momiji]

Hm. I didn't know that. I haven't read too much into FFXIII due to apathy and the fact it will only be pushed back a thousand times before they finally release it.

I don't know how you could of missed the exclusive part as at the end of every FFXIII trailer up till now it said 'Exclusive to Playstation 3'.

"I haven't read too much into FFXIII" = Not at all. :D

[Madame Adequate]

To be fair, I can understand why someone who bought a PS3 for FFXIII would be pissed at this. Then again, I'd only be pissed at the situation if there was no other reason to own a PS3.

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

lol final fantasy 7 remake on the the 360 :D

[Roto13]

To be fair, I can understand why someone who bought a PS3 for FFXIII would be pissed at this. Then again, I'd only be pissed at the situation if there was no other reason to own a PS3.

This is true. :P It's one of the reasons I bought a PS3, but there are others. Like reliability. :P

[Rase]

If people wanted a PS3 just to get FFXIII they shouldn't have bought one until the game was out anyway. Or they could realize there are quite a few other awesome games on the system worth their time and ducats.

[Jessweeee♪]

Goodness gracious xD

[Vyk]

I thought Sony was the root of all evil when they took over the console race and stole Square. And I wasn't even a Nintendo fan. Just having some upstart jump in who didn't know what they were doing and had no sportsmanship about it, just a huge pocketbook to back them up, seemed to taint the whole industry

That was years ago. I grew up. So should some of you

Sony has been evil. Microsoft has been evil. EA anyone? Come on, this is how companies make money. And this industry is built on businesses

I could understand if Microsoft actually stole it away. Especially if you bought a PS3 for it. But they didn't steal it. PS3 still gets it. And the rest of the XIII saga is still exclusive

I'm starting to think people who bought a PS3 really don't even like the system. And now they're mad because they bought a system they didn't like. As said. Sucks for them. That's not a financially sound decision. Be more careful with your money?

Other than that, I still fail to see a problem. I don't see Microsoft tainting the industry. In fact because of Microsoft's backing, a lot of really good games have been published. And its not even like Microsoft is the one publishing XIII. So they're not even bloodying their hands on this venture

Nothings been taken here. Just something added :[

[Dreddz]

To be fair to Sony they never stole anything, Square jumped aboard Playstation due to technical aspects. The only reason Square put FFXIII onto 360 is because of cash. Microsoft are just bribing developers which I think is wrong.

Sony are arrogant for sure, but there honorable too. They earned there place at the top for doing so many things right the last two generations. Microsoft have the better business plan this generation but I don't think its right at all.

[Jessweeee♪]

I think the point here is that we, the gamers, benefit from this, right?


Or am I missing something?


.-.

[Vyk]

Square went to Sony for cash too. Sony didn't have the only CD based console on the market at the time. In fact it had an inferior CD based console at the time

And I don't think Sony did so much right, as the other companies just did so much wrong. And burried themselves. God forbid at least Microsoft learned something. Whereas Sega just kept playing the same game, digging a bigger and bigger hole

[Dreddz]

Exactly, Square went to Sony. Its not bad that Sony willingly helped Square but at least they didnt go to them and bribe them to betray their existing fanbase on the Nintendo consoles.

[Roto13]

If people wanted a PS3 just to get FFXIII they shouldn't have bought one until the game was out anyway. Or they could realize there are quite a few other awesome games on the system worth their time and ducats.

Like Metal Gear Solid 4, and....

[Vyk]

Exactly, Square went to Sony. Its not bad that Sony willingly helped Square but at least they didnt go to them and bribe them to betray their existing fanbase on the Nintendo consoles.

Square was leaving Nintendo regardless. That much I can agree on. But I've never heard Square deny Sony bribed them away from choosing the other CD based console

In fact at the time, Sega was pretty well up there. They seemed like a very likely choice back then. I was really surprised by Square's decision. The only alternative reason would be that the Saturn was a lot more complex to code for. Which isn't very Square-like. In the last generation or so they enjoyed the challenge of complexity simply to achieve that superior quality. So I'm left to assume money was the answer. A bribe, as you call it. From Sony. Yes

[Roto13]

I've never heard you deny that you eat puppies. I'm not going to assume you don't eat puppies.

[Rase]

If people wanted a PS3 just to get FFXIII they shouldn't have bought one until the game was out anyway. Or they could realize there are quite a few other awesome games on the system worth their time and ducats.

Like Metal Gear Solid 4, and....

I for one found Resistance: Fall of Man, Uncharted, and Ratchet and Clank Future to all be very fun for the time I've played them. Haven't got a chance to try Warhawk or DMC4 but they both looked good IMO. It also does have a good number of games that, while multiplatform, are worth picking up if you only have a PS3. Hell, I don't even own the system and don't plan to and can find understandable reasons to purchase one or at least have a friend who does.

[Dreddz]

It should be made clear that even with FFXIII lost Sony still have the best line-up of games. Im probably more excited for Tekken 6 (yeah, weird huh) but that's a 3rd Party game so we can expect it to be announced for 360 any moment now.


Square was leaving Nintendo regardless. That much I can agree on. But I've never heard Square deny Sony bribed them away from choosing the other CD based console

Sony have said many times they dont pay for exclusives. They earn them. (http://www.ps3vault.com/jack-tretton-we-dont-bribe-to-get-exclusives-1726)

[Vyk]

Maybe that's where things are lost in translation for me in this argument. PS3 doesn't have anything that interests me outside of FF and Drake. Tekken doesn't do it for me. I love my 360. And not because I'm a fan of Microsoft. Nor do I enjoy Halo, or most any shooter for that matter. And definitely not any sports games. As the XBoxs seem to be mostly known for. I've loved a lot of quirky under the radar games for 360 like Overlord (which is only just now being ported to PS3) and LoTR: BFME II

I loved Oblivion, but I didn't cry when PS3 got it. I enjoyed Mass Effect, and now I think I heard the sequal is going to be on PS3, which if true wouldn't bother me either

I skipped MGS last generation, and I was willing to forfeit FFXIII this generation simply because it didn't justify buying a system for me. Plus I hated XII, so I couldn't justify buying a system for a sequal I didn't have much faith in

Now I'll get to try it without having to fork over 500 bucks first

[Nifleheim7]

First of all,i have to say that i'm glad that 360 owners who couldn't afford buying a PS3 will get a chance to play FFXIII.Exclusives are a necessary evil afterall:/
I don't blame SE for "selling out" on Sony.They are in this business to make money.I don't blame MS either.It's what they do best...Their expansion policy is well known for decades now.
And Sony,of course they can't compete with MS when it comes to money power.If they try to play MS's "game",they will lose.The only thing they CAN do is to focus more on first party exclusives.They already own some great development studios,i think they should expand on that.

[Madame Adequate]

It should be made clear that even with FFXIII lost Sony still have the best line-up of games.

A matter of taste. I personally find the below list hard to compete with. (Not exhaustive by any means, just 360 exclusives I care about.)

Ace Combat 6
Beautiful Katamari
Chromehounds
Crackdown
Dead Rising
Dead or Alive 4
Earth Defense Force 2017
Gears of War
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Infinite Undiscovery
Star Ocean: The Last Hope
Too Human

[Psychotic]

This thread went from awesome to http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif really quickly. What the hell happened here?

[Dreddz]

It should be made clear that even with FFXIII lost Sony still have the best line-up of games.

A matter of taste. I personally find the below list hard to compete with. (Not exhaustive by any means, just 360 exclusives I care about.)

Ace Combat 6
Beautiful Katamari
Chromehounds
Crackdown
Dead Rising
Dead or Alive 4
Earth Defense Force 2017
Gears of War
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Infinite Undiscovery
Star Ocean: The Last Hope
Too Human
Don't push me man, Ill make a list that'll make your eyes bleed if I have to. And I was really only specifying Sony's future line-up, not their current offering. Which to be honest is at a near tie after MGS4.

This thread went from awesome to http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif really quickly. What the hell happened here?
Its called damage control. When people gloat I lay down the facts.

[Roto13]

I don't want to play a single game on MILF's list. xP Not a one.

[Madame Adequate]

And he says I'm the one with bad taste. :p

Geometry Wars 2, Still Alive, and the Gears 2 news all has me very excited :D

[Roto13]

Castle Vidcons is on the ball again. :P

http://www.castle-vidcons.com/comics/2008/07/cv0045.jpg

[XxSephirothxX]

The thing is, I'm not so sure Microsoft even paid the big bucks for Final Fantasy XIII. If this happened three years ago, it'd be obvious they had. But their strategy is obviously to reach a larger audience in the west to support what must be a massively expensive game, and they'll certainly accomplish that this way. This may not be another scenario like they had with Rockstar for the GTA content. Either way, it's rather irrelevant, but it would be interesting to know what kind of dealings there were leading up to this.

Also, any more system wars nonsense from this point forward is going to get deleted, even if it makes the leftover discussion nonsensical. Seriously, keep that http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif out of this thread or gtfo.

[Vyk]

Its called damage control. When people gloat I lay down the facts.
Gloating?


Also, any more system wars nonsense from this point forward is going to get deleted, even if it makes the leftover discussion nonsensical. Seriously, keep that http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif out of this thread or gtfo.

Erm this is Microsoft's thread. How might the line be drawn?

So uh... what else was announced that I missed? Too many distractions..

[Karellen]

Peter Molyneux seemed really excited about Fable 2. Don't think anyone else was though.

[Vyk]

I hope they're not aiming too high this time. I liked Fable. But the constant bashing for missing content was annoying. Considering I never followed the game's production. It was all fresh to me. Too bad for those people. Maybe ignorance is bliss

[Roto13]

Peter Molyneux seemed really excited about Fable 2. Don't think anyone else was though.

Peter Molyneux is always really excited about everything.

[Dragonsoul]

Great conference! I watched it on G4 channel. I liked the Square Enix part best. Yoichi Wada started out with Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and The Last Remnant. I have some interest in those games but I'm most likely to play The Last Remnant. Then he left, then while the Microsoft guy was talking Yoichi tapped him on the shoulder and said he had another announcement. This specific action was extremely funny and ultimate. Then the big news about Final Fantasy XIII. In the trailer I didn't like the music of it. We saw new great footage, atleast stuff we haven't seen in both FF XII public trailers. But I don't know if the choice and arrangement of the trailer was as great as the Dengeki trailer and original trailer. The best part of the trailer by far was the red haired pigtailed girl, one of the main character. Showing video of her was the great, and this is huge news.

I had a Xbox 360 earlier, bought it in August 2007 in mid August so I could rent Blue Dragon and decide whether or not I would buy it. Later I wanted to rent and possibly buy other games, but I was definetely planning to buy Lost Odyssey. I bought and beat Eternal Sonata though, which is great. I had to sell my Xbox 360 to round up some money for a Nintendo DS for Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings, so I don't have the console anymore. I was planning to buy a Playstation 3 later this year for whenever the Final Fantasy XIII demo would come out.

I hope that the Xbox 360 and PS 3 versions of Final Fantasy XIII are almost exactly the same. I want them to be released on the same dates for each specific territory. Each territory will get seperate release dates probably. I hope that there is no certain version of the game with many bugs or something also.

Now that Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy Versus XIII(probably in my opinion) are coming out for Xbox 360, I don't have a real reason to buy a PS 3 for rpg's...
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom - Not good and popular, not interested
Folklore - Better, but nothing too important I think
Disgaea 3 - Great, but not my style, I prefer FF Tactics A2
Valkyria Chronicles - Not too interested in this one either
White Knight Chronicles - Most interested in this but not really though, I didn't finish Rogue Galaxy(same development team) for PS 2.

As far as non-rpg's and non-rts games go, I probably would only play: Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, and Racing games. MGS 4 is great and could push me to a PS 3 if the other games are great for it. Resident Evil 5 is coming out for both PS 3 and Xbox 360 so it doesn't push me either way. Same thing for Silent Hill: Homecoming. For Racing there is Burnout Paradise for both systems but Gran Turismo 5 for PS 3 but I prefer Burnout Paradise. I probably will end up not buying a PS 3.

Playstation 3 is getting killed off by Xbox 360 and Wii as far as rpg's go. Interesting situation we have now! :)

[Fonzie]

Too human sucks ass, don't bother with it. :lol:

Played the demo today, and I nearly had a lulz storm.

[Old Manus]

Square went to Sony for cash too. Sony didn't have the only CD based console on the market at the time. In fact it had an inferior CD based console at the timeI hope you're not talking about the Saturn

[Raebus]

The saturn was awesome. :cool:

[Madame Adequate]

Too human sucks ass, don't bother with it. :lol:

Played the demo today, and I nearly had a lulz storm.

Before I played the demo it would not have been on that list :monster:

Anyway yeah on the downside, I'm not sure how I feel about the Miis. They look kinda retarded.

[Dreddz]

Fallout 3 looked disappointing in my opinion, was expecting more.

The saturn was awesome. :cool:
You speak sense for once.

[JKTrix]

Too human sucks ass, don't bother with it. :lol:

Played the demo today, and I nearly had a lulz storm.

I'm about to fire it up again right now, but yea... when I was playing it at 3-something this morning, I wasn't particularly enjoying it. Let's see if lucidity changes anything.

[Vyk]

I loved the graphics and story of Too Human. But the controls and fighting was wonky as heck. So I can see why it wouldn't have appealed to you. Very different. And not very epic. But I'm sure the point of the game was to build up to epicness through the rest of the story. So I can't fault it for that one. But the controls and fighting style isn't very intuitive. The whole sliding around like an ice skater thing lol...

I wound up dying on purpose for the boss battle. But I had company over which was more interesting than the game. So we'll see. I'll try it again later when I can focus more too :]

Edit: Where the fudge did this (http://www.castle-vidcons.com/comics/2008/07/cv0045.jpg) come from?? Right after I made my post I noticed the "Forward" button was active. So I pressed it. Somehow Opera picked this up. I don't necessarily agree with it. But its kinda funny... and definitely on topic

[Momiji]

I laughed so hard when I saw this. WARNING: Contains explicit language. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I)

[Vyk]

I laughed so hard when I saw this. WARNING: Contains explicit language. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I)

Hilarious. Unfortunately, even though I'm sure its just a parody. People probably take it seriously. And are acting that way themselves xD

[Momiji]

Um, look in the FFXIII petition thread down there somewhere in the bowels of these forums and you can see all of the complaining everyone's doing. People are taking it seriously.

[JKTrix]

This is the Portal announcement from GLaDOS: Gametrailers.com - Portal: Still Alive - E3 2008: MS Press Conference: Annoucement (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36209.html)

Too Human: Finished the demo. Died once too. I like the loot. Combat is kind of odd, not particularly fun. I suppose it does make you feel like 'a god', if all you have to do as a god is point a stick towards stuff to kill them.

[Vyk]

Um, look in the FFXIII petition thread down there somewhere in the bowels of these forums and you can see all of the complaining everyone's doing. People are taking it seriously.

I know they're taking the issue seriously ^_^' I meant they'd probably take this video itself seriously and think this guy is really voicing their opinion rather than just mocking their vehemence on the issue. Sorry for the confusion

[Moon Rabbits]

I was watching the E3 press conferences on G4, and when the president of S-Enix came back on to announce FFXIII on X-Box 360 it was the cutest thing ever. I am a sucker for Engrish.

[Vyk]

I was watching the E3 press conferences on G4, and when the president of S-Enix came back on to announce FFXIII on X-Box 360 it was the cutest thing ever. I am a sucker for Engrish.

lol... Now I wish I'd watched

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

I laughed so hard when I saw this. WARNING: Contains explicit language. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I)

that was hilarious, and hes serious too O_O

[Psychotic]

No, he's not serious.

[Earthworm Jim]

It was made by someone from Something Awful. It's not serious.

[Dragonsoul]

That's an interesting video. 2:12 is best part. :choc2:!!!

[Roto13]

That guy did a video like that when Brawl was delayed. That one was scarier because I wasn't sure if he was joking or not.

YouTube - awesome gamestop stories smash bros (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxY8yQRJW08)

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

omfg thats so funnyyyyyy, now i know hes not serious lololol