Extreme Dark Knight Spoilers Ahead

[Shlup]

I made the start of this thread long enough that it would be safe to hover over, but now I'll make it longer, pansies.

This came up in the other thread, so I thought I would make a poll.

So... Two Face: Dead or no?

[Avarice-ness]

I don't think he's dead, only because I just can't imagine him being killed off that fast.

[Karellen]

I'd like to think that they're not dumb enough to kill off the second best villain in the series, especially now that they're going to have trouble casting the best villain in the next movie. They probably have though.

[Raistlin]

He definitely needs to live since Heath Ledger can't play the Joker. :(

[Kirobaito]

He definitely needs to live since Heath Ledger can't play the Joker. :(
Indeed. I think it's possible that they intended for him to die originally, and perhaps included a more definitive death scene or something, but once Ledger died, took that out. You can't lose Batman's two biggest villains in the same movie.

[Kenshin IV]

It was clearly stated by Batman that they needed to fake Dents death to prevent Gotham from finding out what their "White Knight" had become. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

Also, despite what happened to Ra's al Ghul, Chris Nolan has clearly made known his disdain for killing off major canon characters.

[Bloodline666]

I have a gut feeling Dent survives.

At least they didn't smurf Two-Face's character up as badly as they did in Batman Forever!

[Shlup]

They did not at all state they were going to fake his death. They said they were going to cover up the horrible things he did while they showed him laying on the pavement with his eyes open.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ra's al Ghul wasn't dead though.

[Karellen]

It was clearly stated by Batman that they needed to fake Dents death to prevent Gotham from finding out what their "White Knight" had become. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
That line could have easily been in relation to Batman's current situation: he was taking the fall for everything Harvey did, thus becoming the 'villain'.

[El Bandito]

I doubt Two-Face will be the main villain of the next movie since Nolan has said in interviews he wants to focus on Batman villains that haven't gotten much attention movies-wise (which is a shame because I would've loved to see his take on the Riddler).

As far as Dent, I figured they just held the "funeral" to keep his "white knight" image and secretly stuck the real Dent in Arkham.

[Del Murder]

No one ever dies in movies.

[daggertrepe]

That guy who played Dent was teh hottness.

[XxSephirothxX]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ra's al Ghul wasn't dead though.
I haven't read a ton of Batman comics, mostly just the landmark graphic novels like Dark Knight Returns, Long Halloween, etc. But isn't Ra's al Ghul, like, immortal? While it seems less likely they'd bring him back for another film, based purely on the characters, I think it's more likely he'd be alive than Two Face.


No one ever dies in movies.
That's even more true about comics.

[Shlup]

Yeah, he's basically immortal. Mostly. Kind of. I don't think he would survive a train crash without some special means, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the future.

[Bloodline666]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ra's al Ghul wasn't dead though.
I haven't read a ton of Batman comics, mostly just the landmark graphic novels like Dark Knight Returns, Long Halloween, etc. But isn't Ra's al Ghul, like, immortal? While it seems less likely they'd bring him back for another film, based purely on the characters, I think it's more likely he'd be alive than Two Face.


No one ever dies in movies.
That's even more true about comics.

Now that you bring it up...I heard a rumor around the time of the Schumacher films that they would bring back the Joker in that series of films, with those rumors even going as far as stating that Jack Nicholson would reprise that very role, though I'm glad that rumor never came to life; Schumacher would've screwed up the Joker's character the way he screwed up the two films he directed. Under Schumacher, we would basically be seeing the Joker from that 60s TV series.

[Del Murder]

I'm surprised Batman didn't dance in those movies.

[Shlup]

I want to see the Batusi so bad.

[Roto13]

I think he's dead just because he got enough screen time and attention in this movie that he doesn't need to be in another one. Not like the Scarecrow. :P Falling off his horse in Batman Begins and selling fear drugs at the beginning of The Dark Knight.

[Boney King]

I thought the Two-Face of Batman Forever was an abomination and an insult, so I really hope this Two-Face isn't dead. He is the perfect representation of the character, in my mind.

As for whether or not he is dead, I really can't say, but I agree with everyone else in that it just doesn't make sense to kill him off so early.

[Bloodline666]

I thought the Two-Face of Batman Forever was an abomination and an insult, so I really hope this Two-Face isn't dead.

Keep in mind that the Schumacher basically attempted to recreate the Adam West era using Burton's work for the purpose of targetting a younger audience than the Burton films did (in fact, the Schumacher films even carried a few direct references to the Adam West era), so it was a given that it came at the expense of character quality and thus ruined the film series in the process. While I don't agree with this movie's writers retconning Maroni's role in Dent's disfigurement for the purpose of making the Joker even more evil than he already is (much like the 89 movie's writers changing the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents to the Joker did with that character), at least this time, they didn't screw around with Two-Face's coin toss gimmick and left it within the comic canon.

[Bahamut2000X]

I really hope Two Face isn't dead for reasons mentioned.

I was happy when they had him become Two Face and go around being a criminal like that. It really felt like Joker started the reign of insane criminals when Two Face became born. It would suck if he honestly died from a fall Batman could take.

[Ouch!]

I like how everyone is forgetting that Batman walks around in a bullet proof body suit whereas Two-Face was just in a regular suit. I imagine one of the two had a bit more collision resistance than the other.

That said, I hope he's alive.

[Bahamut2000X]

Now I'm far from an expert here. But I don't believe bulletproof armor protects from falls. I mean I'm pretty certain the ground hurts whether your in armor or not. Cushions on the other hand...

[Shlup]

I would wager the headgear offered some protection, at least.

[Bunny]

As I said in the original thread regarding this movie, I doubt that Two-Face is dead. First, he is one of two titular Batman villains, the other being the Joker. Second, it was a three story fall and the most he would have suffered from the way he landed was some broken bones, I don't recall him having any other injuries other than the burns.

I am torn between whether or not I want them to bring Two-Face back though. I did not like the way they portrayed the character in that he was a thing of vengeance, rather than a criminal super villain with multiple personality disorder. I like Aaron Eckhart as an actor and I enjoyed his portrayal of Harvey Dent. However, I did not like how he portrayed Two-Face as an intensely human being bent on destroying the lives of the people connected to the murderers of the person he loved the most. It felt too cheesy to me. So, I would not be disappointed in seeing the character again, portrayed once again by Eckhart, but I would like to see some changes to the way he is played. For the most part, I attributed the acting to how little screen time Two-Face received.

As far as the next movie is concerned, I think it will focus more on Bruce Wayne and Batman trying to deal with no longer being Gotham's main squeeze. It will be him trying to prove to himself and the world who he is. If Two-Face were to return in the eventual sequel, I wouldn't be surprised if they included some of the minor villains like they did with Spider-Man 3 (only a lot better because that movie sucked).

[Roto13]

I think people are forgetting that this is a series of movies, not a tv series or comic book. Just because he's one of the main villains in the comics, that doesn't mean he's going to be in any more of the movies. There probably aren't going to be that many.

[Shlup]

I think it would be reasonable for Two Face to come back in as a more traditional version of the character, multiple personalities fully developed. I can't imagine them doing that in the very next movie though... which makes me kind of sad because I want this movie series to continue for a very long time, but it probably wont. The current cast (who's left, anyway) said, from what I hear, they're only willing to do one more.

ETA: Also what Roto said.

[Boney King]

I thought the Two-Face of Batman Forever was an abomination and an insult, so I really hope this Two-Face isn't dead.

Keep in mind that the Schumacher basically attempted to recreate the Adam West era using Burton's work for the purpose of targetting a younger audience than the Burton films did (in fact, the Schumacher films even carried a few direct references to the Adam West era), so it was a given that it came at the expense of character quality and thus ruined the film series in the process. While I don't agree with this movie's writers retconning Maroni's role in Dent's disfigurement for the purpose of making the Joker even more evil than he already is (much like the 89 movie's writers changing the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents to the Joker did with that character), at least this time, they didn't screw around with Two-Face's coin toss gimmick and left it within the comic canon.
I understand Schumacher's intent, but I didn't enjoy it. That said, Batman Forever wasn't a bad film and it was fine popcorn entertainment.

Also I just plain don't like Tommy Lee Jones if he's not in a serious drama role.

[DMKA]

If he's dead that's such a rip.

[Ouch!]

Now I'm far from an expert here. But I don't believe bulletproof armor protects from falls. I mean I'm pretty certain the ground hurts whether your in armor or not. Cushions on the other hand...
I'd imagine it would be resilient enough to prevent things such as snapped spines and other such things which cause death from falls.

[Bunny]

I think people are forgetting that this is a series of movies, not a tv series or comic book. Just because he's one of the main villains in the comics, that doesn't mean he's going to be in any more of the movies. There probably aren't going to be that many.

That's true, but unless they develop an entirely new villain specifically for the movie, they don't have a lot to work with. Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, etc are all fairly minor bad guys. Harley Quinn is nothing without Joker and to a lesser extent Ivy. Catwoman and Riddler, while decent villains in and over themselves, they do not do much of anything spectacular and they both become "good guys" in a general sense. Despite Nolan saying he wanted something different from everything else done on Batman, he cannot exactly ignore Batman lore and fact without disrupting half of whatever fandom he has created for himself and his movies.


The current cast (who's left, anyway) said, from what I hear, they're only willing to do one more.

From what I know, Bale and the rest of the cast have signed on to make three complete movies. Although this doesn't mean they will not develop more with the new cast if the third movie does just as well as the second one has been doing.


I'd imagine it would be resilient enough to prevent things such as snapped spines and other such things which cause death from falls.

It would probably serve as a cushioning but not much more than that due to it being light weight and enabling him better movement.

[Rengori]

I hope he's not, the Harvey Dent in this movie was pretty damn good and I would hope that if he's gonna die he sure as hell isn't gonna die in such a lame way (falling).

[Bloodline666]

I hope he's not, the Harvey Dent in this movie was pretty damn good and I would hope that if he's gonna die he sure as hell isn't gonna die in such a lame way (falling).

The Joker's death in the 89 movie was similar.

[Karellen]

The Joker's death was far, far more climactic then what happens to Two-Face.

[Bloodline666]

The Joker's death was far, far more climactic then what happens to Two-Face.

You got that right. I meant to grill the poster above me as to the ambiguousness of his statement. I mean, again, that's like saying The Joker's death in the 1989 movie was lame.

[Rengori]

The Joker's death was far, far more climactic then what happens to Two-Face.

You got that right. I meant to grill the poster above me as to the ambiguousness of his statement. I mean, again, that's like saying The Joker's death in the 1989 movie was lame.

Fine, falling anticlimactically to his death. Happy?

[Bloodline666]

The Joker's death was far, far more climactic then what happens to Two-Face.

You got that right. I meant to grill the poster above me as to the ambiguousness of his statement. I mean, again, that's like saying The Joker's death in the 1989 movie was lame.

Fine, falling anticlimactically to his death. Happy?

Fair enough...

[Miriel]

Er... seemed dead to me. They had a funeral and all.

I know people tend to come back to life in movies, but there didn't seem to be much ambiguity with Dent's death.

Not saying that they won't bring him back, especially considering that they won't have the Joker in the next film (no way they're recasting the role), but it seems like the original intention was to kill him off by the end of the film. But he could definitely be brought back for the next film since the situation has changed since they shot the film.

[Bloodline666]

Er... seemed dead to me. They had a funeral and all.

I know people tend to come back to life in movies, but there didn't seem to be much ambiguity with Dent's death.

Not saying that they won't bring him back, especially considering that they won't have the Joker in the next film (no way they're recasting the role), but it seems like the original intention was to kill him off by the end of the film. But he could definitely be brought back for the next film since the situation has changed since they shot the film.

If they recast the role of Harvey Dent in the previous series of films (it's worth noting that the man cast as Harvey Dent in the 1989 movie accepted the role to ensure an opportunity for a role as Two-Face in a future movie, but the infamous directorial change led to Tommy Lee Jones being cast for Two-Face's role instead), then they could certainly recast The Joker's role, but rest assured, it won't be the same without Ledger.

[Miriel]

I am saying that they will absolutely NOT recast the Joker in the next and final film with Nolan at the helm and with the current cast in place. In the future, when the Batman is reimagined for the big screen with a new director, and a new cast, and with a rebirth of the franchise, they will for sure select a new actor to take on the role.

But for what is to be the final film in this current line of Batman films? No way in hell they're gonna try and replace Ledger. It just will not be done. If they do recast the Joker, then I will eat my shoe.

[Shlup]

Eat your shoe. EAT IT.

They have to re-cast the Joker. He's Batman's forevergirl. And if they don't finally put Harley Quinn in a movie I am going to be so damn pissed!

[Karellen]

Harley Quinn wouldn't suit these movies at all. They would have to completely reinterpret her, probably removing a lot of the things that made her character so appealing in the animated series.

[Roto13]

Harley Quinn was in the comics, too, after she became so popular in the animated series. And she was a lot darker and more twisted, a lot like the Joker.

[Shlup]

I'd go gay for Harley Quinn. Put her in, dammmit!

[Raistlin]

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

[Yamaneko]

They didn't show Dent's body at the funeral scene.

[Depression Moon]

No one ever dies in movies.
Then what happened to Heath Ledger?
I think Two-Face is dead since they held a funeral for him, but the villains I want to see in the next movie are Scarface and Clayface.

[Freya]

I think he's dead. He did leave the hospital after not taking any pain pills for his injuries. He was probably in lots of pain in the first place. I don't think leaving two-face in would do much for the movies. Yeah he's an important character but the way they set him up, it just doesn't seem like a great idea to bring him back.

If they do add Harley then it may be to do Jokers bidding while he's in arkham. Actually that'd be kinda cool o.o

I DO NOT want to see robin in these films. His little fanboyness of batman would just ruin the darker mood of this new series. On that note, catwoman wouldn't be a good addition either. With that haley berry version of catwoman I just don't see them adding her (catwoman not haley) in.

[Shlup]

Well, that's where Harley comes from. She's his doctor at Arkham.

I can't decide how I feel about Robin. I almost trust this guy to pull it off.

[Depression Moon]

If you look back at history every batman movie with Robin in it sucks.

[Del Murder]

They could try the Tim Drake version of Robin. But it's not going to happen.

[XxSephirothxX]

Yeah, I don't ever see Nolan doing Robin. But could he do it? You bet your ass he could.

[Bunny]

"If Robin crops up in one of the new Batman films, I'll be chaining myself up somewhere and refusing to go to work."

[Roto13]

Robin in Batman Forever and Batman & Robin was like 25 years old. :P What the hell? Some orphan he was.

But yeah. Robin sucks. Worst thing to ever happen to Batman.

[Bahamut2000X]

If they do Robin I say they should just bypass the Robin bit and go straight to Nightwing. Nightwing I could see being far better in this then Robin. But as has been said I could see Nolan pulling off Robin.


the villains I want to see in the next movie are Scarface and Clayface.

I'm far from an expert but I believe both of those villains were entirely supernatural/uber unrealistic in the series. A guy who got so much facial creme in his body that it made him into a monster, and a living dummy. Ya ain't ever gonna happen in these new movies. At best they might try and butcher them to fit em in. But even so I don't see either of them ever being in the movies. There's far better villains to put in the series then them.

[Boney King]

If you look back at history every batman movie with Robin in it sucks.
Batman: The Movie from 1966 is comic genius, and Robin is in that. It is a great film.

[Roto13]

Unless some crazy stuff happened that I don't know about, Scarface wasn't a living dummy. :P He was the Ventriloquists little schizophrenic personality, which he let act through a dummy. Just a crazy man with a puppet.

[Bloodline666]

Well, that's where Harley comes from. She's his doctor at Arkham.

I can't decide how I feel about Robin. I almost trust this guy to pull it off.

What if they used the Jason Todd version of Robin instead of the original Dick Grayson version they used in the 60s AND the mid-90s?

Then again, like Harley Quinn, the Jason Todd version of Robin depends entirely on the existence of The Joker. Those who follow the comics know the fate of that particular Robin.

[Shlup]

I could see them using Scarface. Clayface should never see a movie screen though. Ever.

[CloudDragon]

I was extremely disappointed with the "supposed" killing off of Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight. In reading the other thread and this one, it got me thinking. Remember all the twists and turns in film itself? They weren't extremely ambiguous but just enough was left open for the twists to work. A twist for Dent being alive and showing up as Two-Face in a future Batman movie could work.

[Bahamut2000X]

Unless some crazy stuff happened that I don't know about, Scarface wasn't a living dummy. :P He was the Ventriloquists little schizophrenic personality, which he let act through a dummy. Just a crazy man with a puppet.

Been a few years since I watched the cartoon series of it, but I have vague memories of them trying to to hint at Scarface being a live or some other such nonsense.

[ljkkjlcm9]

He's dead, I don't want him coming back. As much as I enjoyed his character... they've pretty much finalized his death. He CAN'T come back. The whole point of Batman taking the blame for the killings was to cover up what he did. If he comes back and is killing people again, it'd just be completely retarded.

I'd like to see some kind of new twist, where a "hero" shows up to take down batman, considering he is now the villain.

THE JACKEL

[Bahamut2000X]

The League of Shadows is still out there. Granted missing a leader, but probably the best chance for R'as al Ghul's daughter to pop up along with some other minor villains.

Though I don't see the League popping up in the third movie. The second one just started the movement of the criminally insane masterminds like Joker and Two Face causing havoc rather then the mafia and normal criminals. It would be kind of lame to suddenly go back to mafia and ninjas with some kind of a slightly insane criminal helping out who isn't much of a threat.


I'd like to see some kind of new twist, where a "hero" shows up to take down batman, considering he is now the villain.

That would be an interesting concept. Perhaps Nightwing or someone similar could appear there. =P

[Del Murder]

Oh I got it! Man-Bat!

[Shlup]

Hmm... What eats bats? Mongoose?

[Depression Moon]

What about a Lady Shiva and didn't Nolan said he wasn't going to direct the third since he's tired of doing Batman?

[Boney King]

What about a Lady Shiva and didn't Nolan said he wasn't going to direct the third since he's tired of doing Batman?
Source plz.

[Depression Moon]

G4 - The Feed - Nolan Unsure About 'Dark Knight' Follow Up (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/686692/Nolan_Unsure_About_Dark_Knight_Follow_Up.html)

[Rengori]

G4 - The Feed - Nolan Unsure About 'Dark Knight' Follow Up (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/686692/Nolan_Unsure_About_Dark_Knight_Follow_Up.html)

More proof that G4 only makes people depressed.

[Roto13]

Christian Bale got arrested today for beating his wife or some <img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" /><img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" /><img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" /><img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" />. He's not a hero. :P

[Boney King]

Here's hoping he makes bail LOLLOLOLOL

[Miriel]

His mother and sister reported him for assault. But he hasn't been charged with anything.

According to TMZ:


Sources directly connected with the Christian Bale case tell TMZ there was physical contact between Christian and his mom, but it amounted to next to nothing.

We're told Bale pushed his mom out of the way during the altercation. She was not hurt and did not fall down.

[Peegee]

There's only going to be 3 films? This will be very difficult to guess, in terms of what villain (Riddler is a good choice as mentioned above).

I do know for a fact that we won't have batgirl in the movie, like, ever. Even though Gordon's probably as old as Thomas Wayne (they are supposed to be the 'same' age), his children are much younger. This is good news.

Having a Robin would make no sense and I want to keep it that way.

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Harvey Dent still being alive? Maybe if there were subsequent movies, but for now, let's presume he died. I do find it quite unfortunate since Dent is an excellent character with lots of possibilities (in the comic book Arkham Asylum they weaned him off the coin to a six sided die, and then to tarot cards, with the intention of going to I Ching).

Gimmicky villains like Bane and Man-bat won't show up. Penguin I think was mentioned but shot down. In fact I think somewhere in one of our two threads somebody mentioned they would stay away from the existing movie villains (there goes Riddler grrr).

[NeoTifa]

im thinking of this as a prequel to the series already out. so yes, hes alive :p

[Bahamut2000X]

im thinking of this as a prequel to the series already out. so yes, hes alive :p

Then you would be wrong.

It's been stated time and again, Nolan's movies are completely separate from the earlier 90's ones. The fact that Joker just appeared in Dark Knight completely contradicts the first Burton movie where he falls in a vat of acid. Or for the fact that Dent was in that movie as well, not as Two Face.

Both sets of movies should be their own separate telling of the story of Batman. Making connections between them is like comparing Final Fantasy I and Final Fantasy X. Their not even remotely connected in story lines.

[Big D]

I'm of the opinion that he's dead. If not, then that'd mean that Gordon and Wayne are both abominably unobservant, since both examined Two-Face's body. Besides, how would he get away? So badly hurt that two experts think he's dead, and the entire area surrounded by police officers and dogs who'd be poring over the scene in absolute detail. Unless his various injuries and damaged mental state gave him super-powers or something trashy like that, he couldn't simply spring to his feet and bound away.

If he's 'brought back' in future I'll accept it, but for me it really doesn't wash with a lot of what seems logical.

Besides, it'd be a little cheese-flavoured to have both the Joker and Two-Face survive after being flung from tall buildings.

I think this film exhausted a lot of the potential of Dent's character. We're showing why he's a hero, and what makes him 'turn'. He's got no reason to go and become a super-villain; he's just a man who was passionate and charismatic, who got driven beyond desperation and salvation by losing everything he cared about. There's not really anyone left for him to take revenge on, except Batman himself, and that's not a fight he could win - or even start, convincingly - on his own.

Or so I see it, anyway.

[Raistlin]

If not, then that'd mean that Gordon and Wayne are both abominably unobservant, since both examined Two-Face's body.

None of them actually said "he's dead," while looking at him. They just continued their conversation, and then it cut to the memorial. If he is alive, both Gordon and Wayne know it, and he'll probably be locked up at Arkham.

[Shlup]

From what I looked up, Bale pushed his mom during an argument because she insulted his wife. There was also mention about his mom and sister wanting money from him. I don't know how that turned into him being arrested for beating his wife.

im thinking of this as a prequel to the series already out. so yes, hes alive :p
Then you would be a moron.*

*Disclaimer: I don't think you're a moron, but, no, that's stupid.

[Big D]

If not, then that'd mean that Gordon and Wayne are both abominably unobservant, since both examined Two-Face's body.

None of them actually said "he's dead," while looking at him. They just continued their conversation, and then it cut to the memorial. If he is alive, both Gordon and Wayne know it, and he'll probably be locked up at Arkham.Hmm... in that case, they'd still have to fake his death somehow, and get him a false identity while he's interred - after all, preserving his reputation was crucial to their plans. They'd also have to keep him isolated in such a way as to prevent anyone from simply talking to him, or looking at the uninjured side of his head, and realising who he is...

There are undoubtedly other ways of doing it, but that whole scene was set up in such a way that I find it hard to envisage a practical way of him being alive, and rescued, and in a position where has can become a villain again but without the public knowing that their hero Dent had become a murderer. Unless that's going to be the whole point, of course - he returns a few years later, shattering everyone's illusions and whatnot. We'll see.

[Miriel]

Eckhart Agrees To Third Batman Film:


Aaron Eckhart would reprise his role from The Dark Knight - because working with Christian Bale is "phenomenal".

Eckhart, who plays District Attorney Harvey Dent in the sequel, confesses he "absolutely" would star in a third Batman film.

He tells WENN, "To work with Christian (Bale) all over again, and the cast, would be phenomenal. I think this movie is a movie of a lifetime."

Source (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0265713/)

Uh... uh. Yeah. I don't know what's going on now.

[Rengori]

I think this is a "would have if he could" situation, regardless of whether he is or not.

[Big D]

I think this is a "would have if he could" situation, regardless of whether he is or not.Kind of like Shatner wanting to be in the new Star Trek prequel as 'old Kirk', despite his character being killed off over ten years ago?

[Rengori]

I know nothing of Star Trek so I'm confused.

[Roto13]

Yeah, that's just saying he would do it, not that he will. xP I think he's getting his hopes up.

[Dreddz]

If the Scarecrow can turn up in the Dark Knight then we definitely shouldn't rule out the possibility of Two Face returning. But to be honest there's nothing else he can really do in the third Batman that he hadn't already done in the Dark Knight. He had his moment.

I'm all for the Riddler turning up in the third film. People are even saying it was hinted at in the Dark Knight but I don't remember when. I'd also like to see the Penguin make a return but don't think it would work. What Heath did for the Joker Devito did for the Penguin. No one can replace him.

[Roto13]

Scarecrow didn't die in Batman Begins, though. It wasn't even hinted at that he died. Hell, I don't remember him even being arrested. He just fell off his horse. :P

[Rengori]

Scarecrow didn't die in Batman Begins, though. It wasn't even hinted at that he died. Hell, I don't remember him even being arrested. He just fell off his horse. :P

Speaking of the Scarecrow, I thought that the way he was taken down was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more anticlimactic than Two-Face. It was just like *tase* Bye.

[Roto13]

Yeah, it didn't really bother me when it happened, but looking back, that was a pretty lame way for a villain to be done in. Kind of goes with the fact that the movie was almost entirely about Batman himself, though.

[Miriel]

Ok seriously, I was sooooo happy to see scarecrow again in this movie. Cillian Murphy is so creepy/sexy. :p

[Dreddz]

Cillian Murphy didn't get enough screen time. He really was a waste.

[Big D]

In this movie, Scarecrow's just another escapee from Arkham - any truly villainous potential he once had has been well-and-truly lost due to his state of mind. I think that was kinda the point of him being in the movie: he's been defeated already, and isn't a real threat anymore. Just a lackey, and a weak one at that.

[Monol]

Hes still the MAN though. ): Me was sad he no get more screen time. He could have at least killed somone with a volcano or somthing. *Sigh* But perhaps im just asking for to much?

But yeah Harveys done. As lame as his villian closure (Umm like ALL of the villians in The new batman movies ><) was visually, He still did what he had to do.

Lets just get Harley Quinn in there and really mess up somthings. Riddler would be fun too I supose but im looking at YOU Harley.

[Freya]

So I got a private showing of the Dark Knight last night. Perks of working at the movie theater ^_^ ANYWHO

It's the second time i've seen it now. I do think Harvey is dead and the reason Batman lived was because his armor. If you remember, He jumped out of his penthouse to save Rachel and fell on a car. He didn't die then, why would he die from a fall that is a lot shorter?

ALSO PRIVATE SHOWING OF AWESOMENESS! ^_^

[tailz]

So I got a private showing of the Dark Knight last night. Perks of working at the movie theater ^_^ ANYWHO

ALSO PRIVATE SHOWING OF AWESOMENESS! ^_^

gotta agree with you on both of those :D


also i heard something about the riddler being in this movie as a journalist or something. got no idea where i heard it though.


btw I loved the movie :D

[edczxcvbnm]

Awesome movie. I recognized a lot of places is downtown chicago from the movie(hell...I walk it every day!). Great movie.

The hospital the blew up was a real building that they actually blew up and I can't remember if it use to be a hospital or not. That was no prop or CG or anything. That was a real building they blew to sky hell. I remember seeing in on the local news a year ago.

I am not going to speculate too much on who will be the villain in the next movie. Nolan and his crew will sit down and discuss what theme they want the movie to be about and find a guy to fit into that theme to be the antagonist.

I think at the end of the next movie(and this will probably be a war waged against studio executives) will end with gotham turning around for the best and Wayne will be able to put to rest Batman.

All those crooks two-face captured will be prosecuted so that will take a great deal of crime off the street.

I don't think two-face is dead either. I don't know how they are going to handle that one though. I say he can't be dead because that would have caused Batman to break his one rule. I am sure they can come up with a way to make two-face fit in with everything. I think they can let two face out and keep batman the bad guy...but this will all be after all the criminals Harvey has arrested are fully prosecuted. After that it doesn't matter so much if he is a bad guy.

[rubah]

um, I never watched these movies before today, and what I know about batman is basically what I remember from watching about 20 minutes worth of the old movies and tv show and the animated series, but I am not convinced he's dead just as much as I was convinced before the fact that batman would rescue him over rachel (take THAT hsu).

so um, let's hope :O

[Shoeberto]

I could see Harley being in the next movie, tastefully. Since the Joker has been "captured," there could just be a montage of tricky shots and clever voice work to make him exist to make her go crazy. She'd have to be pretty much standalone though which would be the hard part since I don't think she's strong enough of a villain to really carry herself.

The only villain I could see being realistically portrayed well in the next film is Riddler. Everyone else is pretty much too ridiculous. Wait and see, I guess.

[Boney King]

I would be interested to see if The Mad Hatter could be adapted for this series, I like the direction they took with him in Arkham Asylum: A Serious House On Serious Earth. Same with Clayface, but I think he's too special-effects-y.

The Riddler is probably the most likely though.

[Roto13]

Anarky might be interesting if they made him a bit older. :P And less like V from V for Vendetta.

Zsasz might be interesting, too, since he has the potential to be so dark and twisted. He was in Batman Begins for a bit, already. xP

[Boney King]

Zsasz might be interesting, too, since he has the potential to be so dark and twisted. He was in Batman Begins for a bit, already. xP
Was going to say him but remembered he was in the first movie.

[Bahamut2000X]

I heard rumors of Deathstrike in a Batman movie (though I think it was the original set of movies) but that could be an interesting possibility.

[Roto13]

Deathstrike isn't a DC character. :P

[rubah]

man, imagine if neil gaiman's sandman (and the rest of the Endless) showed up. he's dc! that would just be so weiiiiiiiiiiird.

[Roto13]

I'm still holding on to a faint hope that they actually get that "Death: The High Cost of Living" movie made. :P

[Bahamut2000X]

Deathstrike isn't a DC character. :P

Deathstroke ('http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathstroke_the_Terminator'). Dunno how I mixed that one up. >.<

[Madame Adequate]

I think he's dead. I think if he was alive we would have had Wayne and Gordon commenting on how he'd need to be kept hidden away from everyone, or something. There would have been SOME concern about it on-screen.

Also, I think it was established earlier in the movie that Batman can take moderate-height falls better than other people can, specifically when he dropped Sal off the building.

On the flipside, Two-Face is one of Batman's greatest nemeses; really only The Joker is a bigger deal. And as Miriel said, they sure as heck ain't recasting The Joker until they make some new Batman movies twenty or thirty years from now.

But I still think he's dead, to be honest.

[Roto13]

There's a rumour that Johnny Depp will be playing the Riddler in the new movie.

Just Google it. xP I don't know what counts as a reliable entertainment news site.

I don't know about The Riddler. He's kind of... dumb. Leaving clues on purpose and stuff. That doesn't really seem to fit with the new movies. :P

[Miriel]

Johnny Depp as Riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin. But yeah, definitely just gossip and I doubt it's anything more than that.


Re: the dead or not debate...

I kinda doubt that people would be questioning Dent's death so much if Ledger hadn't died. If you concentrate on the movie alone and not think about the whole business of the 3rd film, Harvey Dent's story is kind of complete. Character starts off nice and optimistic. Tragedy strikes. Turns all vengeful and murderous. Gets taken out before he does something truly horrific. Ta da. Complete rise and fall.

I really did not get a, "...but wait! There's more!" feeling with Dent's story by the end of the film. It was done (and so well done, too).