Final Fantasy VI...

[Carl the Llama]

Ok iv been thinking about posting this for quite some time and thought now was a good as time to do as any.

I think Final Fantasy VI is overrated.

Yep I said it I personally like the game alot but obviously im missing somthing here, Kefka for example... he doesnt seem very menaceing and I cant stand him... I have always thought evil was supposed to be tempting but I just cant seem to like Kefka at all.

I really dont see how this game can be so popular... dont get me wrong though I enjoyed playing it (completed it 3 times) but I honestly dont see why so many people make this game out to be gods gift to RPG players which no one has come out and said but meh its the feel I have about it.

I dont expect many people to agree with me but I thought I would just share my feelings with you.

Note: if I made any grammer or spelling errors please dont be compelled to point them out to me, surely you understand what I meant and feel its kinda lame and pedantic to do a "[word]? dont you mean [correct word]" Thankyou very much.

[Flying Mullet]

Whah! Overrated! :eek: Blasphemy! :mad2:

Actually, I'm not surprised that some people find it overrated. Just like any game, there will be a specific audience that will love it unconditionally(myself included) and there will be others that never understand why some people love it so much.

I do think that part of its status in the RPG world is from the age when it came out. Compared to a lot of games today, it doesn't have anything new to offer, but at the time it came out it was cutting edge and very immersive. I know a lot of my love for it is nostalgia, but that's okay. I like having an old friend to hang out with from time to time. :)

[ljkkjlcm9]

lol
this thread was clearly made because someone said in the FFVII is overrated thread to come to the FFVI section and say it was overrated.

Either way, Kefka is well liked because he's just insane. Kinda like how the Joker is just insane in The Dark Knight. They even look similar!

Coupled with the largest cast of characters, each with their own back story, and it's a highly enjoyable game.

I'd just like to know, outside of actual final fantasy forums, where have you ever heard anyone praise FFVI as being truly amazing?
I love the game, it's prolly my favorite FF game, but for me to actually play through it again... there'd need to be more than just another port of the game. I played the GBA version for the special dungeons.

THE JACKAL

[Roto13]

It was the best thing ever in 1994.

[Carl the Llama]

I can say yes it was the straw that broke the camels back but I had been thinking about posting it for some time, and tbh I dont like haveing a shed load of characters but meh thats just me.

Agreed I dont find any fanboish comments but I dont really see what the attraction is to make it out to be the best game ever... I enjoyed Final Fantasy IV ALOT more the Final Fantasy VI.

[Egami]

It was the best thing ever in 1994.

Indeed and it remains one of the best things ever today. :)


I dont like haveing a shed load of characters but meh thats just me.

Well, Chrono Cross and Suikoden II have a shed load of characters. I don't think that FF VI has that many compared to those :). Besides, I felt that the game did a good job in making you use most characters like for example in the dungeons where you have to set up two or even three parties to get through it or in the scenarios where members of your party become separated and meet up new allies.

[Flying Mullet]

No need to double post Egami. If you have something else to add, use the "edit/delete" button.

[Bolivar]

Like Kaiser Dragon, I've completed the game 3 times, gotten at least half way twice, enjoyed it thoroughly, but am still puzzled as to how it gets paraded around the internet as the masterpiece it has become. I can think of maybe ten 16-bit RPG's off the top of my head that I would say are fairly to alot better, 2 of which are FF's.

For one, its cast of characters is near-disgustingly over-appraised. I couldn't tell you how many times someone has proclaimed every one of them to be "deep", (especially when compared to later FFs) when I have to say they are all paper thin with many of them having some of the most unbelievable character-archs I've seen in RPGs.

Not to mention Kefka. He's probably the least effective villain I've encountered in an RPG. The game gives no reason at all as to why he seems to know more about Phantom Beasts/Magicite/The 3 gods of battle than anyone else. Ironically, fans of the game like to use his lack of backstory or even detail as proof of him as being a good villain.

The Esper/Phantom Beast system is also one of the most disappointing in the entire FF series. It has no implication on statistics at all, save when you level up, and it only gives characters spells, which is fairly inappropriate when, traditionally, most jobs don't use MP.

Other battle mechanics spoil the game also. Characters like Edgar, Shadow, Cyan, and Mash all have abilities which can be spammed at no cost (save Shadow's inventory of near-costless shurikens) in order to defeat huge waves of opponents. Not to mention that all except 2 characters can learn the -aga class spells and Ultima (and might as well during the course of the game) takes pretty much all of the strategy out of it.

The ATB also wasn't anywhere near as well-timed as it was in the games that sandwhich it (V and VII). Some disagree, but in my experience I spend alot of time with all of my characters on full waiting for the next animation to finish so I can have one character's fill up again. It effectively regresses the game into a turn-based RPG.

While I consider FFVI to be a "good" game, it really isn't that "great" to me, and I would probably rather start a new game of any other FF before it.

[Yar]

Do I think VI is great? Yes.

Is it my favorite? No.

I think it has one of the best stories in the series. The music was really good, and disagreeing with Bolivar (which I AM allowed to do here, k?! :greenie: ) I thought the ATB was actually really good. Not X-2 good, but good. I liked having the ATB constantly running (on Active), which in others even when Active is on the bar will stop as actions are executed.

VI was actually really fun for me. I've played it bunches of times but I have yet to actually "replay" it. I've only beat it once, but I have started the game like fifteen times.

Yes, various elements of the game can be exploited such as the esper system and even the Vanish/Doom trick. But I enjoy micromanagement dealing with my characters, (that's like the only reason I play Final Fantasy Tactics.) and I like to see growth.

Plus, the game was beautiful to look at, especially enemies in-battle images. And even still, it's a great addition to any GBA/DS library in my opinion. A great RPG on the go.

I don't know that it's overrated, because I only hear people talk about it here, whereas I think VII is overrated and I hear about it everywhere. But then again I know someone's going to bitch about that too, so I'll stop talking about that now.

I'd probably give the game an B+. It's not perfect, but I mean come on, it's from 1994 and it's now 2008. It did it's job and added its worth to the series (see VIII's Junctioning System, IX's Ability System.)

I think I'm going to go play VI now. Well, maybe after I finish IV-DS. :rolleyes2

[Bolivar]

I don't know that it's overrated, because I only hear people talk about it here, whereas I think VII is overrated and I hear about it everywhere. But then again I know someone's going to bitch about that too, so I'll stop talking about that now.


Disclaimer: Non-bitching post!

I just wanted to point out that in this thread and its sister one, I think we need a distinction between "overrated" and "overrappreciated". The topic at hand is not how many people discuss something (attention is not always a good thing), but what praise it gets from the people who do have something to say about it.

Other than that, good post, I will agree that VI did have phenomenal music. Even simple pieces like Rachel forever can bring you to tears.

[Kenshin IV]

lol
this thread was clearly made because someone said in the FFVII is overrated thread to come to the FFVI section and say it was overrated.

Yes it was!


Either way, Kefka is well liked because he's just insane. Kinda like how the Joker is just insane in The Dark Knight. They even look similar!

Exactly right! More than just being clowns, they're both raw forces of evil. No rime or reason for it other than sheer enjoyment. The lack of depth in this case is actually what is essential to their greatness. To tack it back even further than the Joker, Kefka is the Loki character, pretty much the inspiration for all scary jesters.

Edit: To add before someone feels the need to point it out, I'm aware Kefka did have a goal in the game. That was plot, I'm talking about character.

[Carl the Llama]

I dont know about you but I find the reason 'just because' was kind of lame on Squares side... it shows (to me at least) lack of thought or maybe lazyness, if they went to all the trouble of making characters with 'Deep' storylines then why leave this blight on 'the best' of the series.

[Marky Tee]

it would have been a lot better if the playstation version wasnt so feckin slow

[Egami]

I dont know about you but I find the reason 'just because' was kind of lame on Squares side... it shows (to me at least) lack of thought or maybe lazyness, if they went to all the trouble of making characters with 'Deep' storylines then why leave this blight on 'the best' of the series.



Spoilers...

In Kefka's case I think that the principle "absolute power corrupts absolutely" applies. He started as a loyal servant of the emperor, even if his ways were inhuman, unlike that of General Leo. He poisoned the water because he wanted to get rid of the people who "gave rise to the returners". He burns figaro castle because he wanted to recover Terra, a woman that belonged to the empire, which Edgar and Locke hid there. But later he starts to become obsessed with the power of Magicite and starts to claim their power for himself and becomes obsessed with it to such an extent that he ends up killing anything that gets on his way, including the very emperor who he served at first.

Having an absolute and destructive power now, all that he can do is use it to destroy the world around him. As the dialogue before the last battle shows, he felt that human life was meaningless, that it was a waste of time because people were going to die anyway so he felt that a "monument of non-existence" was better. This reminds me of Seymour's idea of ridding Spira of it's sorrow by destroying it.

[Roto13]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Kefka lost his mind to the experiments that gave him the ability to use magic. After that he was a complete sociopath. Nothing that happened in FF VI corrupted him. He was corrupted already.

Kefka is insane. As in, completely bathttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif insane. He hates everyone and wants them all to suffer and die. He's not like Ultimecia or Kuja who are just scared of their own mortality. He's not like Vayne, who wants to manipulate history to free humanity. He's just completely and totally evil. He has nothing to gain from the things he does besides the intense joy he gets from making people suffer.

[ljkkjlcm9]

KEFKA = JOKER!!!!

THE JACKEL

[Karellen]

I'm not sure how I feel about FFVI. On one hand, the story and characterization was better then any FF before it (and quite a few after it), the graphics and direction were amazing for it's time and it has one of the best scores even composed for a console RPG. On the other hand the original release was buggy as all hell, the ability system devalued the individuality of the characters and a whole heap of end game equipment/spells completely break the game.

I guess I would still say it's one of the better games in the series. Even if the gameplay was a significant downgrade from FFV everything else was such a massive improvement it doesn't seem as important as I might otherwise consider it to be. However, I also acknowledge that it started a whole load of bad trends that would eventually shoot the series in the foot.

[Bolivar]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Kefka lost his mind to the experiments that gave him the ability to use magic. After that he was a complete sociopath.

I'm curious as to where you make this inference from.



Even if the gameplay was a significant downgrade from FFV everything else was such a massive improvement it doesn't seem as important as I might otherwise consider it to be.

I thought IV had a more epic story, was more attached to the characters in V (not just main ones), and II had a more interesting world and mythology.

[Roto13]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Kefka lost his mind to the experiments that gave him the ability to use magic. After that he was a complete sociopath.

I'm curious as to where you make this inference from.

Characters of Final Fantasy VI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefka_Palazzo#Kefka)

[Crossblades]

I enjoyed FF VI very much. Its my number one favorite in my top 5 favorite FFs. This game had a very huge cast of characters each with their own backstory and had a very classic villian in Kefka, who succeeded in turning the world in Ruins.

[Yar]

I thought IV had a more epic story, was more attached to the characters in V (not just main ones), and II had a more interesting world and mythology.

IV's story is one of my favorites. Above VI for sure. IV's story is greatly enhanced in the DS rerelease.

VI was a bit to happy for me, especially at the ending.

V characters were awesome in the GBA release too. People say they're paper-thin. I just don't see it. I just don't think they were as deep as VI's.

[Roto13]

VI was a bit to happy for me, especially at the ending.

The world got all destroyed and stuff. :P

[Yar]

VI was a bit to happy for me, especially at the ending.

The world got all destroyed and stuff. :P

Yes, but I'm a sadist. :lol:

[ljkkjlcm9]

I hated IV's story. It had some of the most generic plot twists ever. The arch-nemesis for the entire game being related to the hero. There being another person behind the scenes controlling everything. At least in VI I knew Kefka was going to be the main villian, pretty much from the beginning. It was clear cut, you knew who you were fighting against. And to say the story of FFVI was upbeat?!?! Terra is a slave when you first meet her, Cyan's entire kingdom was poisoned and then he watches his family board the phantom train, Celes was chained up and beaten, Gau was abandoned, Strago's village was persecuted, Shadow cut himself off from all emotions. Next, the world gets destroyed, Shadow could have died (or dies when you beat the game), all the moogles are dead, Celes tries to commit suicide, everything Locke does is because of a lost lover from the past, Setzer laments a lost lover, we find out Sabin abandoned Edgar after their father died.... far from an upbeat game if you ask me.

THE JACKAL

[Bolivar]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Kefka lost his mind to the experiments that gave him the ability to use magic. After that he was a complete sociopath.

I'm curious as to where you make this inference from.

Characters of Final Fantasy VI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefka_Palazzo#Kefka)

Oh snap, I never talked to that guy.

[Roto13]

I guess not. He's in Vector.

[Yar]

I hated IV's story. It had some of the most generic plot twists ever. The arch-nemesis for the entire game being related to the hero. There being another person behind the scenes controlling everything. At least in VI I knew Kefka was going to be the main villian, pretty much from the beginning. It was clear cut, you knew who you were fighting against. And to say the story of FFVI was upbeat?!?! Terra is a slave when you first meet her, Cyan's entire kingdom was poisoned and then he watches his family board the phantom train, Celes was chained up and beaten, Gau was abandoned, Strago's village was persecuted, Shadow cut himself off from all emotions. Next, the world gets destroyed, Shadow could have died (or dies when you beat the game), all the moogles are dead, Celes tries to commit suicide, everything Locke does is because of a lost lover from the past, Setzer laments a lost lover, we find out Sabin abandoned Edgar after their father died.... far from an upbeat game if you ask me.

THE JACKAL

I didn't say upbeat. I said that there some unusally happy parts, and the ending is definitely one of the happiest I've seen in the series.

But no, if I wanted an up-beat game, I'd be playing X-2. Maybe I will go play X-2?

[Marky Tee]

and II had a more interesting world and mythology.

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[PeneloRatsbane]

I think this game is top notch, up until after Celes tries to off herself and finds Locke's bandana, that is the last bit that made me go ooohhh. except perphaps for the sad tale of Daryll. i just feel it looses pace towards the end. I think that VII stays consistently high class while VI slacks towards the end. but mostly its great and it still better than most other non fantasies.
but i'd put it third in the my
1. FFVII
2. FFXII
3. FFVI

[Exdeath]

The game would have been much better if the WOR had a better story. I like the "choose what you do" idea, but when just about everything you do occurs without any connection, I feel like all I'm doing is grinding for Kefka's tower. Loved the ending theme, though.

[Bolivar]

and II had a more interesting world and mythology.

you serious?[!] google_ad_section_end [/!]

Yeah, actually. VI had a great world/mythology (well, the 3-God mythology contradicted itself alot), but a little while into the world of balance/ruin, you pretty much know what you're going to find.

In II, you're always encountering new areas, and new types of them. Like going to the island of the Dragoons, trying to get the last of the Wyverns. Or near the end of the game, finding out that there's a kingdom of mages. The Mysidian tower was epic. Don't get me wrong - VI had surprises like Thamasa, the Floating Continent, I just like II's better.

[Roto13]

The game would have been much better if the WOR had a better story. I like the "choose what you do" idea, but when just about everything you do occurs without any connection, I feel like all I'm doing is grinding for Kefka's tower. Loved the ending theme, though.

The World of Ruin was made up of a bunch of little stories more than one big one. Setzer and Daryl, Relm and Strago on that dark little island, Terra and the kids, Locke and Rachel, Cyan and his dreams, etc..

[Exdeath]

But nobody seems to notice their reunion until the very end, almost all conversation happens without a unique script or even character portraits. Plus, it just felt like dungeon, dungeon, dungeon. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed VI more than I can say about VII or XII :)

[blackmage_nuke]

The game would have been much better if the WOR had a better story. I like the "choose what you do" idea, but when just about everything you do occurs without any connection, I feel like all I'm doing is grinding for Kefka's tower. Loved the ending theme, though.

The World of Ruin was made up of a bunch of little stories more than one big one. Setzer and Daryl, Relm and Strago on that dark little island, Terra and the kids, Locke and Rachel, Cyan and his dreams, etc..

Its like the movie love actually except all the loved ones are dead

[Bolivar]

But nobody seems to notice their reunion until the very end, almost all conversation happens without a unique script or even character portraits. Plus, it just felt like dungeon, dungeon, dungeon. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed VI more than I can say about VII or XII :)

Like how Celes notices Edgar as Gerrard, but Mash/Sabin for some reason doesn't. All they needed to add was optional text depending on who-is-in-your-party variables. Not like it would've taken up huge amounts of their limited cartridge space.

[Dr. Acula]

FFVI is one of my very favourite FFs, and Kefka is the best villain in the world (apart from Hank Scorpio in The Simpsons), but I do admit the game gets less interesting in WoR. I've never actually completed the game myself so I don't know how interesting it is at the end, but I always found the game slowed down considerably after Celes tries to kill herself.

[Egami]

…I do admit the game gets less interesting in WoR. I've never actually completed the game myself so I don't know how interesting it is at the end, but I always found the game slowed down considerably after Celes tries to kill herself.

This is a common issue that is brought up and it seems to be one of the weaknesses the game has. The flow of the game during the WoB is very good and manages to keep things interesting at all times, consistently building up towards the climax at the end of the WoB. But in the WoR you wake up in the middle of nowhere with no clue about anything or anyone. Where is everyone? Are they alive? What should I do? What about the empire and Kefka? I think that this IS the point of this part of the game. Even the overworld theme of the WoR screams of solitude and hopelessness, in contrast with the upbeat “lets fight the empire!” theme of the WoB. I think that this part is brilliantly executed but its problem is that it drags for too long, so long that it is what the whole WoR is about. If they had added some sort of plot development in the WoR, something that help up together all of the individual character stories it would have been better. As it stands however, the WoR consists on simply gathering your party, leveling up and defeating Kefka.

[Heath]

The game would have been much better if the WOR had a better story. I like the "choose what you do" idea, but when just about everything you do occurs without any connection, I feel like all I'm doing is grinding for Kefka's tower. Loved the ending theme, though.

The World of Ruin was made up of a bunch of little stories more than one big one. Setzer and Daryl, Relm and Strago on that dark little island, Terra and the kids, Locke and Rachel, Cyan and his dreams, etc..

Its like the movie love actually except all the loved ones are dead

And that FFVI is enjoyable :p

I don't think that FFVI is overrated to the extent that FFVII is. I made a post in the FFVII thread recently and came to the conclusion that while FFVII is a great game, I do feel that it's overrated. I feel that by some sectors of the gaming community, FFVI is also overrated but not to the same degree or not on as wide a scale. I think that FFVII certainly has more rapid fanboyism than VI does.

I think I'd agree that the flow of the game is disrupted by the WoR, but I never felt that the WoR was any weaker as a result. I quite liked everyone being separated and the fact that you had to find and unite people, giving each team member a bit of the spotlight and a reason to fight towards the end. I think sometimes there can be a feeling in some games that the reason why people are part of the team and fighting against evil is because they've been there since the beginning or that they're just good guys fighting evil. I liked how FFVI involved each character had their own backstory and reason for fighting against Kefka and trying to restore the world. I really quite enjoyed that.

[ljkkjlcm9]

if the WoR bothers all of you that much... just go fight Kefka with Celes, Edgar, and Setzer. They're the only required characters in the WoR.

Seriously, the entire WoR is a "sidequest."

THE JACKEL

[Slothy]

if the WoR bothers all of you that much... just go fight Kefka with Celes, Edgar, and Setzer. They're the only required characters in the WoR.

Seriously, the entire WoR is a "sidequest."

THE JACKAL

Except those side quests make up the majority of the character development in the game. Honestly I don't see the problem people have with it. Yeah, the game moves from a more linear hand holding flow to making you find your own way to get everyone back, but that was honestly half the fun for me. It gave you plenty of new areas to explore, and the pay off was finding the characters you became attached to in the first half of the game and seeing many of them come to terms with their own demons and self doubts to rally for one last chance at saving the world. I always liked that the characters lost and many had to discover reasons to hope for something better than a dying world, even though they don't even know for sure if beating Kefka will even save it.

[Goldenboko]

I loved the World of Ruin. I'm all for, "let me do my thing". Completely linear games annoy the heck out of me, FFX is a great example for me, I love that game to pieces once you have control of the airship.

[FF_Chick]

Lawl the only game that's ovarrated is VII. And it's obvious.

[Egami]

Lawl the only game that's ovarrated is VII. And it's obvious.

Hehehe :)

I am thinking about playing VI again. It has been quite a while...

[Yar]

I am thinking about playing VI again. It has been quite a while...


Yeah, this thread has definitely resparked my interest in the game. I think it is about time for another playthrough. Except my brother has hijacked my copy! :eek: I could play the PSX one, but I'd rather not. ;) I bet this game is going to be my best friend when we go to Montana in September. Two five hour flights (there and back) and driving across the state twice will give me plenty of time, plus of course time at the hotel / friends' house each night.

[Egami]

I could play the PSX one, but I'd rather not.

I have the PSX and the SNES versions of the game. I tried playing the PSX version once but I gave up...it is way too slow and that effectively takes away the excitement of the game. My old but trusty SNES just died and I cannot play the cartridge version so I just got my hands on a SNES ROM and plan to play it on the computer.

[Wolf Kanno]

Is VI overrated? IMO...yes.

It does get more credit than it deserves and the game does have some lackluster elements. Despite this, it doesn't change my opinion that in comparison to the main series, it is both my favorite and the one I feel is actually the best in the series cause it does fulfill my expectations for a RPG.

I love its world design and art direction, not only showing the best of Amano but making a good steam-punk world which I completely adore. Its artistic vision of portraying the entire game as a giant opera with an operatic musical score, a truly evil villain, comic relief, earth shattering events and even a curtain call. I truly feel VI is the first game in the series to have a well thought out and well executed artistic vision.

It still has my favorite cast of characters and over the years I've learned to appreciate and love every one of them which is something I can't say for the rest of the series with the exception of IV and XII.

VI's cast is one of the few that shows you can have a strong cast and not have to have everyone have some personal trauma to overcome. Yes a lot of characters have sad events in their pasts but only Locke, Cyan, and Shadow allow themselves to be controlled by it. Other characters are actually bothered by the here and now which is most apparent in Celes and Terra. Granted not everyone in the cast is deep. Mog, Umaro, and Gogo are more like "extra hidden characters" than thought provoking thespians. Yet I feel its ok and hardly detracts from the game and story.

The plot, takes the old cliche of "rebels vs. evil empire" but I feel it brought new elements to it all. It was the first to show a more gray area in all this, with Celes and General Leo who serve the empire but are actually noble and good people. Yet I feel most people focus too much on this concept, I feel the story really shines in its theme of "magic" and history repeating itself. How many fantasy games feature a story where the cornerstone of fantasy elements is actually dangerous and considered evil? Some have forbidden magic and power; II, IV, V, and VII have stories that focus on a forbidden power within the normal accepted doctrine of magic and psychic ability but VI is blatantly says its magic in general is unnatural and the concept is quite striking.

Combine this with the WoR plot twist and I feel the story speaks on greater volumes than its brethren in the series. Speaking of the WoR, I love it, I enjoy the fact that the game allows the player to explore the world they once knew and see the cataclysmic consequences of the parties failure to stop Kefka and Ghestahl. The freedom to explore is also much appreciated, I enjoy story but I dislike linear gameplay and hand holding. One thing about RPGs I like is that they are somewhat open ended and the old school games promote exploration. This concept has slowly been removed from the series and as the genre has changed, I appreciate this element more an more. The WoR was a breath of fresh air considering the first half is terribly linear. The player is left to make their own decision about the event unlike other games where the story dictates how you should feel and what you should do.

X was a game that told you how to feel about the world but overall I found Spira to be relatively peaceful and most of the time down right boring. The mass destruction Sin caused nothing more than ruins from ancient civilizations, it always felt like we missed the big cataclysm and we're just watching the aftermath after everything has calmed down. We only witness Sin destroy one small village and even then I found it difficult to be sad cause Sin's involvement was more indirect than pure maliciousness.

In VI, you saw these places in their prime and watched as they tried desperately to survive after the world was devastated. The story doesn't tell the player "this is sad or terrible" its obvious and the impact is felt better than it was in other games that try to utilize world shattering events. I feel its better shown cause it allowed the player to use their own intellect to determine the devastation instead of stating the obvious and showing little to back it up.

Another point I would like to bring up is that I felt VI was the game that perfected using music to enhance story with emotion. All previous FFs have this but I felt that almost every track in VI heightens the emotions and the players feeling. It not only had a damn good soundtrack but used it beautifully to bring to life many of the most powerful moments of the game. Many of the previous games did this of course but I feel VI did it with most of the soundtrack, its opera inspired soundtrack played beautifully with the games artistic and emotional themes.

If the game has a serious drawback, its in gameplay. I mentioned most of my complaints in detail in the sister thread on VII. To put it simply, mediocre difficulty, overpowered skills like Tools and Blitz, overpowered magic (though it fits with the story) and a customization system that can make every character an omnipotent deity. Even then, I have fun with the gameplay and I feel every other element of the game makes up for it. Hell, its not even the worst system IMO cause I at least still have fun with it even if it is non-challenging.

[Exdeath]

if the WoR bothers all of you that much... just go fight Kefka with Celes, Edgar, and Setzer. They're the only required characters in the WoR.

Seriously, the entire WoR is a "sidequest."

THE JACKAL

Gah, I feel misunderstood here. All I said was the events could have had more connection in the WoR. I liked how it gave me choices, and there are many original elements to that part. 'Tis all I mean.

[CelestialStarDust]

Characters=great,gameplay=not so great.not so bad either.

Though Blitz,Tools,and Terra's magic in particular(in morph?honestly?) were rediculously powerful.Heck,I was owning enemies while Mog danced.I loved this game for the characters,and the fact that I was completely unbeatable.

[bipper]

What the hell does overrated mean anyways? Just a pompously birthed opinion enhancing word anyways. FFVI does get a lot of attention, but is there a reason it is technically over-rated? Should sentimental reasons not affect your rating of a game? I certainly think they should, and I think if you do not agree on opinions, discuss them, fine.

Calling a game over rated because you disagree on opinions, is like calling a smart kid a nerd, to debunk his coolness. You hardly know what the hell you are saying, though, your intuitions say your right since he is smart and a bit abstract in setting - in your opinion. So in calling a game overrated, you are really being hypocritical in a way because you are taking a supposedly objective score, and flexing your opinions against it. Overrated.. that word seems so over used.

I feel it is under rated. Take that.

[s[H]sIkuA]

FFVI is in a way underrated, if compare against FFVII :p

[Elskidor]

Underrated would be the term. Final Fantasy VI is perfect, and easily my favorite. Final Fantasy VII is the most overrated game within our beloved franchise. How can Final Fantasy VI be overrated? Many Final Fantasy fans that I've met have yet to consider trying an FF tiltle that was made prior to FFVII. The younger generation of Final Fantasy fans seems bent on flashy graphics. I'm all for the remaking of the classics just to show how good games such as FF4 and FF6 are in comparison to FF7 and FF10.

[Kenshin IV]

You're exactly the type of retarded fanboy that I was talking about when I suggested making a thread like this. A game like Six can't be "underrated" when it's considered by virtually everyone to be one of the greatest games ever created. Seven can't be "underrated" for exactly the same reason. Both games receive their due praise, because both games are equally brilliant. Yes, fanboys, BOTH games CAN be brilliant. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Oh, and by the way, Final Fantasy VI is most definitely NOT perfect. Neither is Seven for that matter. I have never played a perfect RPG, and that's really in the nature of the genre. It's not really possible to make one perfect.

So quit your biased bitching. Thankie.

[Wolf Kanno]

You're exactly the type of retarded fanboy that I was talking about when I suggested making a thread like this. A game like Six can't be "underrated" when it's considered by virtually everyone to be one of the greatest games ever created. Seven can't be "underrated" for exactly the same reason. Both games receive their due praise, because both games are equally brilliant. Yes, fanboys, BOTH games CAN be brilliant. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Oh, and by the way, Final Fantasy VI is most definitely NOT perfect. Neither is Seven for that matter. I have never played a perfect RPG, and that's really in the nature of the genre. It's not really possible to make one perfect.

So quit your biased bitching. Thankie.

Damn Kenshin IV, I didn't mind you blasting me in my own thread cause even I knew the comment I made was rather arrogant and presumptuous but outright blasting someone with name calling cause you don't agree with their opinion. You need to calm down and stop taking all this so serious.

[Kenshin IV]

Nah.

[Zeromus_X]

Actually, I'm inclined to agree with Kanno here. Also, we don't call people "retarded fanboys" on this forum. Don't do it again.

[Zeromus_X]

I've deleted some off-topic posts.

Kenshin IV, as long as you want to continue using these forums, you will respect and abide by its rules. In the future, you will treat other members and post respectfully or you won't be using these forums for long.

[Kenshin IV]

[!]Oh noes. Not the fanboy forum.

I are the scurred.[/!]

Knock it off or I'll ban you.

~Void


OH GEESES! I MADE SUM KID MOD ON A FANBOY FORUM MAD AT MEEEEEE!!!


OH GAWD, WHAT DO I DO NOW?????? BEWARE, DEYS HAS ALL TEH POWAH!!

When a Mod tells you to knock it off. KNOCK IT OFF!. Stop your backtalking or you will get banned. Not because you are backtalking, but because you are being a jerk. ~ Leeza

[arcanedude34]

Meh, I just like FFVI cuz it's my kinda game. I always make sure to completely ignore internet reviews of games until I'm at least a couple hours into the game, VI was no exception. I first played VI on the PSX and hated it due to load times/the fact that (as a stupid 9-year-old) I thought you spent the whole game in Magitech armor (which still bug me to this day)

I like the cast because it gives you a variety of characters.Even XII, which has 3 of my favorite characters of all time, the other 3 are probably among my least favorite. VI is great in that if you don't like Character X, then don't use him. And although I would never EVER use the word 'deep' to describe most of the protagonists of VI, some of them do have some complivation to them. Most of the characters I like (Locke, Sabin, Edgar, Shadow, etc.) are due to their personalities.

Kefka holds a special place in my heart because he gets more accomplished than most villains-- while being the comic relief character. And he's a pretty good comic relief too (don't mention Ultros, I really don't like him)

I personally like VI alot more than IV. I think IV is more overrated than VI. IV was a really good game, don't get me wrong. I just don't get how it's SO many peoples' favorite game in the series...

[NeoCracker]

Actually, I'm inclined to agree with Kanno here. Also, we don't call people "retarded fanboys" on this forum. Don't do it again.

WE call them pickled face penis punchers. ^)^

Really though, I don't think it's overrated in the slightest.

I agree having a ton of characters isn't always great, but in FF VI they managed to give everone the screen time they deserved, and developed them all rather well in the time given.

Not like, say for example, Chrono Cross where everyone said the same thing with a slightly varied accent, with the acception of a few scenes.

[,,,]

A game like Six can't be "underrated" when it's considered by virtually everyone to be one of the greatest games ever created. Seven can't be "underrated" for exactly the same reason. Both games receive their due praise, because both games are equally brilliant. Yes, fanboys, BOTH games CAN be brilliant.

Actually, yeah, it can be considered "underrated" even if it is well loved. That's because vi is the one stuck having to to play second fiddle to vii, as the majority consensus is that vii is the be-all-end-all of FF games. Those of us who prefer vi by a fairly wide margin over vii (vi is my favorite, and I think that vii is a mediocre game at best) can be annoyed by the fact that vi, or any other FF game for that matter, will never get quite the recognition that vii gets. When we consider vi to be vastly superior, we can indeed call it underrated when a game we don't think nearly as highly of is always held up as the FF game. It's not an issue of only "one or the other" can be good, it's that I truly am not fond of vii, completely independent of how I feel about other FF game. I think vii is overrated because it holds the number one spot for the majority (not just the number one spot, but the "this is the only FF game that matters" spot for many), and vi is underrated because it doesn't hold the number one spot, but should.

And yes, of course that's based on our opinions. How good or bad you consider a game is completely subjective, there's no need to tell me that as if it changes how I feel. So in my opinion, as well as the opinion of plenty of people, vi us underrated and vii is overrated. Since it's all subjective, it isn't worth arguing about which game is really better or deserves the number one spot the most. But don't try to argue that people can't think of their favorite game as underrated when they have a perfectly legitimate reason to.

[Kenshin IV]

No, it can't. Saying Final Fantasy VI is underrated compared to Final Fantasy VII is like saying Star Wars is underrated compared to The Empire Strikes Back. And thank you for also proving my point.

There are PLENTY of people who believe Six to be the "end-all-be-all" in the franchise, and the gap has narrowed considerably. That excuse being used solely for Seven was valid in the late 90's, and has been void for years. It still amazes me how all the Six-only lovers have turned into the exact same thing as what they've always hated for years: The Seven-only lovers, and yet still haven't realized it.

You fanboys have to stop with your ridiculous notion that Seven is the only thing anyone cares about, and every other title walks in it's shadow.


Oh, and by the by, it's made even more awesome when all this arguing is taking place between two games from the same franchise with virtually the same core dev teams. It might hurt you all just a bit, but Six and Seven happen to be more similar to each other than they are to any other games in the franchise. And just to hurt you a bit more, the next most similar game to either of them would happen to be Eight.

[Wolf Kanno]

No, it can't. Saying Final Fantasy VI is underrated compared to Final Fantasy VII is like saying Star Wars is underrated compared to The Empire Strikes Back. And thank you for also proving my point.

You haven't been to a Star Wars forum in awhile have you? ;)


There are PLENTY of people who believe Six to be the "end-all-be-all" in the franchise, and the gap has narrowed considerably. That excuse being used solely for Seven was valid in the late 90's, and has been void for years. It still amazes me how all the Six-only lovers have turned into the exact same thing as what they've always hated for years: The Seven-only lovers, and yet still haven't realized it.

You fanboys have to stop with your ridiculous notion that Seven is the only thing anyone cares about, and every other title walks in it's shadow.


Oh, and by the by, it's made even more awesome when all this arguing is taking place between two games form the same franchise with virtually the same core dev teams. It might hurt you all just a bit, but Six and Seven happen to be more similar to each other than they are to any other games in the franchise. And just to hurt you a bit more, the next most similar game to either of them would happen to be Eight.

LIES!:eek: VI IS TEH BESTES!!! Seriously your breaking my heart here with your sound and astute logic that bears the absolute certainty that the gods have bestowed upon us, I think I've been brought to tears by your conviction ;)

You apparently don't grasp the concept of Opinion - Definitions from Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Opinion)

Kidding aside, I respect that you feel this way about the subject in hand but I ask you also respect that others share a different view and you must accept it may never change to your liking. The fact of the matter is, this forum is about a series of games that people enjoy and though many of us feel strongly about our views of the games; I think most of understand that our bantering is all in good fun (for me at least) and should not be taken to so serious as to outright attack people. In other words... "Why so serious, son?" :p

[,,,]

There are PLENTY of people who believe Six to be the "end-all-be-all" in the franchise, and the gap has narrowed considerably.

I've never heard of a "VI only lover." Never. Yeah, I'm sure there are people here and there who have played vi and haven't considered playing others or don't like any other FF game, but they have to be few and far between. If vi is really comparable to vii in terms of popularity, where are the movies and spinoffs? Oh, they don't exist because vi isn't the cash cow that vii is because (wait for it.....) vi isn't as popular. It just doesn't have the legions of fanpersons (let's try to be politically correct here) who will throw money at everything that has cloud or sephiroth in it. vii's popularity will always overshadow vi's, and yes, as I very thoroughly explained already, that is cause for some people to feel that vi is underrated. Not getting the due that you feel it deserves=being underrated. Not sure how that one didn't get through.

[ReloadPsi]

You fanboys have to stop with your ridiculous notion that Seven is the only thing anyone cares about, and every other title walks in it's shadow.

Don't forget, VII was the first game out in PAL territories. The first six, by the time of their release, looked dated and obsolete, even with graphical updates and whatnot. VIII was poorly received if memory serves (it might not), nobody got IX because it was a pastiche on games many of them had never played and once X came out, the franchise was so far removed from its roots that nobody stopped to notice these classics. I'm not even sure if the PSX and GBA ports even sold well, and FFIII DS' reviews in England went along the lines of "we don't know what the fuss is about".

Ask any British player what a Black Mage is and there's a good chance they'll say "Vivi"... makes sense, he's basically a 3D version of the FF5 sprite. Hell, I spoke to a lot of people who thought Vivi's appearance was "original", because we didn't get any of the first five games with Black Mages in them. Oh yeah, we didn't get FF Tactics either.

Personally I've been very put off VII by the compilation. And the fanboys are partially right: VII is the only one Square Enix cares about, as it's the one making them the money. Deal with it.

[DarkMateria]

This thread is overrated.

[CelestialStarDust]

This thread is overrated.

-_-

[Kenshin IV]

You haven't been to a Star Wars forum in awhile have you? ;)


God no. I'm not THAT much of a glutton for punishment. It's bad enough I go to a Final Fantasy one on occasions. As for taking it seriously, oh believe me I'm not. In fact I'm far too entertained by this for my own good. Really, should not be this entertaining. And as for the whole opinion thing, that excuse would work if everyone didn't always talk like their own personal opinions were fact. "Seven IS overrated. Seven IS the greatest. Six IS better than Seven. Six IS underrated cause not enough people love it more than Seven." At least I back my opinions up with reason and fact when need be.

And when I say Six-only lover I don't mean they've literally only played Six. I mean to them Six is, again, the beginning and the end of Final Fantasy, and all others pale in comparison. Which is exactly what everyone always went crazy on the Seven fans for. Believe me, it's understandable. Fans suck, and there are a LOT of sucky Seven fans. I just want people to understand that ALL the fans suck equally. Let's not be prejudice here and think it's only Seven fans. It's actually gotten to the point where Six fans are almost, if not just, as bad. And as someone who loves both of them pretty much equally, I can give you a purely objective guarantee on that.

Oh, and if you'd like further proof of that fact, you can look no further than the awesomely fanboytastic headline under the Final Fantasy VI section of this forum. It pretty much sums my entire point up perfectly.

[Roto13]

Most people are capable of figuring out when people are stating facts or stating their opinions without having it spelled out for them. Nobody looks at "Final Fantasy z is the best ever" and thinks "That guy is totally stating a fact and not his opinion."

Also, if discussion is somehow a punishment for you, you're more than welcome to get lost.

[Kenshin IV]

Which is all well and good until your own opinions are critizied. Especially when they're critizied with nothing backing them up.

Try thinking of it from this perspective. You tell me Six is your favorite, and my reaction is "AH MAH GAWD, NO WAY, SEVEN IZ DA BEST UR CRAZY!" It'd piss you off, and rightfully so. Especially when they don't give you a reason. The same thing happens all the time with those two reversed. My personal favorite is Seven, and I have no issue saying that, but I can't tell you how many times I've heard "UR NOT A TRU FAN, SEVEN IS OVERATED AH MAH GAWD, SIX ALL THE WAY!" If I had a nickle for everytime I heard that I'd be rich. Especially since Six is my next favorite by only a small margin, and about 90% of the fools I've heard that from over the years aren't even as big of fans of Six as I am.

My only point here is there ARE things Seven does better than Six. There ARE also things Six does better than Seven. And there ARE things that other games do better than either. You might think one is overrated, but that doesn't make you right. Seven deserves the credit it gets, and so does Six, mainly because each game offers a deep and rich story that you wouldn't expect in a video game. Especially for their eras. THAT is fact, whether you find anything to relate to it, or find any entertainment value in it (deja vu?) is your own opinion. If you tell me Six is your favorite, I won't argue it because I can completely see why. If you tell me Four is your favorite, I'd say the same thing. If you told me Nine was your favorite, I'd even tell you the same thing. And so on and so forth. I would tell you I don't necessarily agree with you, but I can see where you're coming from. Now, can you see yourself saying that to someone who's favorite is Seven? Be honest with yourself now.

And discussion isn't a punishment when you're talking rationally with someone. Which is extremely rare on a fanboy forum. I've already noticed you like to not do that when someone disagrees with you on something. And saying that FF6 or Chrono Trigger is better looking technically than FF7 isn't rational. It's dumb and wrong. Yes, wrong. As in "fact," not "opinion." What you perceive as artistic value is opinion.

[Roto13]

And saying that FF6 or Chrono Trigger is better looking technically than FF7 isn't rational. It's dumb and wrong. Yes, wrong. As in "fact," not "opinion."

The intense blistering waves of hypocracy! They burn! AAUGH!

See, that falls under the heading of "things that can only be opinion because they are 100% subjective." You're the one who decided the best way to deal with that was personal insults, not me, ducky.

[Kenshin IV]

You keep trying, champ.

Like I said, saying it's technically better looking is wrong. Unless you wanna try telling me Super Mario Bros. 3 is better looking technically than Final Fantasy X. Because that is more or less what you're saying. Artistic is another story. Funny you omitted that part from your little quote there.

You can tell me Okami is artistically better looking than Gears of War, but you can't tell me it is technically. If you want an example of two games closer in generation.


And now to talk to someone new, since I completely didn't see this person talking to me, and it would be rude to not reply:

Personally I've been very put off VII by the compilation. And the fanboys are partially right: VII is the only one Square Enix cares about, as it's the one making them the money. Deal with it.
Kay. Not my fault you're put off with Final Fantasy VII by games that aren't Final Fantasy VII. I despise the "compilation," but I can certainly disregard it. And sure Square cares about Seven more than any other title, it's their biggest cash cow. That also isn't at all what I was talking about. I was talking about the fans perception, not the company's. I could care less what the corporation thinks. They're in it for the dollar, always have been and always will be. Why do you think you keep getting ports and remakes over and over again? Which happen to be of pretty much every Final Fantasy game. Not to make you happy, that's for sure. Deal with it.

[Roto13]

Like I said, saying it's technically better looking is wrong. Unless you wanna try telling me Super Mario Bros. 3 is better looking technically than Final Fantasy X. Because that is more or less what you're saying. Artistic is another story. Funny you omitted that part from your little quote there.

Because 3D isn't inherently superior to 2D, otherwise the original Wolfenstein would be better looking than Street Fighter III. Good 2D is better than bad 3D.

[bipper]

Kenshin IV, you have a lot to learn about debating and the matters of subjective vs objective facts, and subjective vs collective opinions.

The game is perfect.

The game is perfect.

These two sentences look the same, but surrounded by context, or directed with a hint of poise and rational, they could be read completely different. With out this rational, one could assume they are asserting that six was indeed, perfect. In fact, it was not perfect, if you consider bugs and other anomalies. With your rational, it should be apparent that a fan boy fell in love with VI due to, dare I say it?, personal tastes.

Sure it is annoying when a fan boy gets all uppity, however, I would take a fan boy over a heartless dispassionate world any day. Passion, opinion, and hypocrisy are some of the greatest qualities of man kind. Arrogance and pride are two of the worst. Unfortunately, they do not mix well in the cocktail that is man.

Graphically, a 2-d game can be better than a 3-d game. This all comes down to the metric in which you used to gauge graphics.

Same with story.

Same with music.

etc... etc... etc...

I am a fan of both games, and they are both my favorites. Though, 6, in my opinion, satisfies me in a hole different way than seven -- I tend to like six more.

There has been a few loopholes in the logic people are using, as in saying that 2d is better than 3d, and then saying that there are too man characters, and this is just too much to be right. Using your prior, I would figure than more was better. Using the latter, it seems that a conservative approach to features is more in taste. Therefore, I would have to suggest that the collective logic used is based on subjectivity. You know, subjectivity. The reason they can make different final fantasies with out having to remake the same system and make it better only.


That, or you are actually flame trolling r0to, which is just hilariously abnormal.

[Bolivar]

^ this is borderline nonsensical, for the same reason:



Like I said, saying it's technically better looking is wrong. Unless you wanna try telling me Super Mario Bros. 3 is better looking technically than Final Fantasy X. Because that is more or less what you're saying. Artistic is another story. Funny you omitted that part from your little quote there.

Because 3D isn't inherently superior to 2D, otherwise the original Wolfenstein would be better looking than Street Fighter III. Good 2D is better than bad 3D.

Keyword here is "technical". VII's graphics use more processing power, require more memory, usually demand a longer time to make; on the technical side of things they are better. Whether you like one more or not is the aesthetic side of things.


I love its world design and art direction, not only showing the best of Amano but making a good steam-punk world which I completely adore.

How is that possible when (as in every Final Fantasy) none of the actual art in the game resembles Amano's work at all?

Kenshin has brought up alot of good points.

not getting the credit it deserves = underrated

not getting the credit it deserves from as much people as you would like = jelousy

FFVI DOES get the respect it deserves, this thread is living proof, just because it isn't from as many people as VII is such a childish and whiny way to call something underrated. It's like holding your own personal vendetta against the masses, all the while making generalizations about people you can't speak for.

I've never met anyone in real life who furiously proclaimed VII was the ONLY good Final Fantasy. I have, however, met tons of people on this forum who say that FFVI is the ONLY good FF, sometimes accompanied by IV as the only good ones. Also ironic is how alot of these people call themselves "old school"/"original" FF fans, when in reality they could not have played HALF of the original Nintendo games, not to mention bash them once they were released in the US.

And yes, the subtitle below this forum name is WAAAAY too fanboytastic. And I hate that word!

[,,,]

not getting the credit it deserves = underrated

not getting the credit it deserves from as much people as you would like = jelousy

FFVI DOES get the respect it deserves, this thread is living proof, just because it isn't from as many people as VII is such a childish and whiny way to call something underrated.

Hmm, that's raises a question, and though this will sound sarcastic, it actually isn't. I'm just wondering, how few people need to give something the credit it deserves before it really is underrated and not just jealousy?
Let's say 100,000 people give VI the props it deserves, and 300,000 do not. Underrated or jealousy?
ok, 100,000 do, but 5 million do not. Underrated or jealousy?
only five people do, 5 million do not.
5 do, 20 do not.
5 billion do, 100 trillion do not.

Now let's all agree on an exact figure here. Then, someone do a comprehensive and scientific poll to find out the exact number of people who give VI its due credit and how many people do not, and we can settle this thread once and for all!

Really, that wasn't sarcasm. Nor was that sentence. Or that one. Or that. Oh crap, I'm never gonna get out of here =/

Now, I'm not going to deny that there is jealousy involved. I played VII completely expecting it to be the greatest thing of all time from everything I'd heard, and in the end I just couldn't believe that blah game is the one everyone has on a pedestal while saying "what? There were 6 FF's before this? Well, screw 'em, they're old." Yeah, there's jealousy, but I don't necessarily think that invalidates my belief that vi is underrated based on 1-- the newer generation of gamers who have no patience for "outdated" games (I think I just dated myself by calling the PS1 crowd the "newer generation." I'm too old for this board =/ ), and 2-- the fact that, like I said, vii is the cash cow. That's because it has more fans. That's also because vi wouldn't make square gobs of money by making a movie or spinoff games. That's because vi doesn't have as many fans. And vi is a good enough game that I think it should have that many fans. I think that's a perfectly reasonable reason to think something is underrated, jealousy or not. And I'll ignore the fact that you called me... what was it? *glances back up* Oh, childish and whiny, because I have to accept the fact that when people debate online they tend to talk in condescending ways. I'm not saying I'm an exception to the rule.

So that's where I stand. But I seriously do wonder just what the ratio of enough credit to not enough credit would be to make something not underrated. I think there could be something to that. But I also think that you can be jealous because something is underrated and the two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Wolf Kanno]

Hmm, that's raises a question, and though this will sound sarcastic, it actually isn't. I'm just wondering, how few people need to give something the credit it deserves before it really is underrated and not just jealousy?
Let's say 100,000 people give VI the props it deserves, and 300,000 do not. Underrated or jealousy?
ok, 100,000 do, but 5 million do not. Underrated or jealousy?
only five people do, 5 million do not.
5 do, 20 do not.
5 billion do, 100 trillion do not.

Now let's all agree on an exact figure here. Then, someone do a comprehensive and scientific poll to find out the exact number of people who give VI its due credit and how many people do not, and we can settle this thread once and for all!

Really, that wasn't sarcasm. Nor was that sentence. Or that one. Or that. Oh crap, I'm never gonna get out of here =/

Now, I'm not going to deny that there is jealousy involved. I played VII completely expecting it to be the greatest thing of all time from everything I'd heard, and in the end I just couldn't believe that blah game is the one everyone has on a pedestal while saying "what? There were 6 FF's before this? Well, screw 'em, they're old." Yeah, there's jealousy, but I don't necessarily think that invalidates my belief that vi is underrated based on 1-- the newer generation of gamers who have no patience for "outdated" games (I think I just dated myself by calling the PS1 crowd the "newer generation." I'm too old for this board =/ ), and 2-- the fact that, like I said, vii is the cash cow. That's because it has more fans. That's also because vi wouldn't make square gobs of money by making a movie or spinoff games. That's because vi doesn't have as many fans. And vi is a good enough game that I think it should have that many fans. I think that's a perfectly reasonable reason to think something is underrated, jealousy or not. And I'll ignore the fact that you called me... what was it? *glances back up* Oh, childish and whiny, because I have to accept the fact that when people debate online they tend to talk in condescending ways. I'm not saying I'm an exception to the rule.

So that's where I stand. But I seriously do wonder just what the ratio of enough credit to not enough credit would be to make something not underrated. I think there could be something to that. But I also think that you can be jealous because something is underrated and the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I love you ,,,

I agree quite a bit and I had a similar experience when I played VII. To be honest, I don't even want to see VI on top. Though its my personal favorite I don't necessarily feel it deserves top billing in a series with so many good games. I only talk down on VII not so much cause I hate it being more popular than games that deserve it but more cause I don't get why its so popular. It wasn't really special to me. Even then I feel both games are pretty overrated and I feel fans on both sides take it too far. This thread being proof.

As for the Amano bit Bolivar, I feel the sprites in VI are closer to their Amano designs than previous games and IX. Yet another thing that made me make that statement was that I felt VI really captured the "feel" of its actual designs. I could really see the world that Amano envisioned for VI in the actual game. Its hard to explain really.

[ReloadPsi]

Personally I've been very put off VII by the compilation. And the fanboys are partially right: VII is the only one Square Enix cares about, as it's the one making them the money. Deal with it.
Kay. Not my fault you're put off with Final Fantasy VII by games that aren't Final Fantasy VII. I despise the "compilation," but I can certainly disregard it. And sure Square cares about Seven more than any other title, it's their biggest cash cow. That also isn't at all what I was talking about. I was talking about the fans perception, not the company's. I could care less what the corporation thinks. They're in it for the dollar, always have been and always will be. Why do you think you keep getting ports and remakes over and over again? Which happen to be of pretty much every Final Fantasy game. Not to make you happy, that's for sure. Deal with it.

The fanboys' perception is what made Square Enix take said attitude towards the game. They probably looked at all the fanfiction, fangames and legions of autistic kids saying they wanted more and thought "Whoa..." This in turn fuels the fanboys' perception further. That's why I brought it up. Effectively, Square Enix have given them a leg to stand on. FFVII is not the only game anyone cares about, but the fanboys have certainly been allowed to believe so.

Hope that clears things up in terms of what I was thinking :)

Anyways, I'm gonna go back on the very first topic of this thread: FFVI is a weird one for me. In my head I think I love it. When I play it I can't stand it. I don't know why. FFVI was also, incidentally, the first game to move away from the "fantasy" theme of the series and lean towards technology. It's got more of an industrial revolution setting than that of medieval times.

[I Don't Need A Name]

Either way, Kefka is well liked because he's just insane. Kinda like how the Joker is just insane in The Dark Knight. They even look similar!

hes also 50000 times more badass than Sephiroth (who sucks)
he actually takes over the world
what other villain does that?

[ReloadPsi]

Either way, Kefka is well liked because he's just insane. Kinda like how the Joker is just insane in The Dark Knight. They even look similar!

hes also 50000 times more badass than Sephiroth (who sucks)
he actually takes over the world
what other villain does that?

His motives kick unfathomable ass too: He basically did it for the lulz.

[Ultima9999]

I've been apart of some of these "which is better" I have told many people who grew up post NES and SNES who played Final Fantasy VII for the PS1 that VI was the best in the series and they can't wrap their minds around the fact that Final Fantasy VI broke the mold with the story that was told. I look at these Hard Core Final Fantasy VII fans and they just don't know the pure beauty of what this game had to offer.


Its gotten so big for these Final Fantasy VII fans to prove that its better they made a movie and numorous spin-offs of That particular game. They can't get enough. Hence back to an original post I put up earlier VI needs no remake or spin-off or actual sequel to an already great game. Don't get me wrong I've seen Advant Children, played the direge of Cerberus, and FFVII: Crisses Core and there all very entertaining. But it just goes to show they have something to live up to.


If I would say any Final Fantasy thats Overrated it would have to be Final Fantasy VII cause it needs to constantly prove it's the best in the series with its spin-offs where as Final Fantasy VI needs none of that to prove that its a great game and far more superior. Just like the Bible why should we make a Bible II to prove what is what. So those of you who want to say VII is better then VI or VI is Better then VII, go right ahead Final Fantasy VI will forever be a great game and for me personelly The greatest RPG of all time.


sorry if I sounded like I was rambling

[arcanedude34]

O_o This thread in like a breeding ground for fanboys.

Anyway, I grew up on the PS1. Yup I said it. I love the 3D Final Fantasies. Yup I said it. I also love the 2D Final Fantasies. Yup I said it. Personally, I thought VIII was a crappy game, easily the worst in the series imo. But if your favorite FF is VIII, then hey, whatever. It's your opinion, I can't make you hate the game, nor do I care to. If all you talk about is VIII, or if you try to make me play it, then yea, I'm gonna prolly ignore you at most. What I'm trying to say is, can't we all just live and let live? They're games, no need to act like immature little kids because someone doesn't have the same tastes as you. If FFVII fanboys can't appreciate any other FF, then hey, their loss right? And if FFVI nuts won't let go of the past, then hey their loss right?

Just so you know, if all you care about is VII, then you got two (2) versions of the original VII to enjoy, plus a bunch of effortless spinoffs (all of which I sadly enjoyed) to play over and over. It's gonna get old. If you refuse to play a game after VI, then prepare to waste your money on remake after remake after remake, cuz I see no end of the barrage of sequels. Both groups are missing out on some great gomes, either way.


You fanboys are getting to be as bad as (dare I say it?) religious folk.

[Bolivar]

I have told many people who grew up post NES and SNES who played Final Fantasy VII for the PS1 that VI was the best in the series and they can't wrap their minds around the fact that Final Fantasy VI broke the mold with the story that was told. I look at these Hard Core Final Fantasy VII fans and they just don't know the pure beauty of what this game had to offer.

You're making a generalization for people you can't speak for.

First of all, there are kids these days growing up post SNES and PS1 even that are of the thought that VI trumped VII (Goldenboko, PuPu on this site). Second, there are plenty of people who played VII first and took the time to play through FFVI and simply couldn't see what all the fuss is about, I think that's the entire point of Kenshin's thread here, and of the last "What's the Big Deal?" thread in the VI forum.

Third, I would ask what the hell are you talking about with the whole "VI broke the mold with the story" comment. On the multiple times I've played/beaten it, I've found the dialogue just as thoughtless and cliche as the previous FF's, with an extremely underdeveloped villain, and I actually think some 16-bit RPGs I played when I had never even heard about FFVI are alot better, story included.


If I would say any Final Fantasy thats Overrated it would have to be Final Fantasy VII cause it needs to constantly prove it's the best in the series with its spin-offs where as Final Fantasy VI needs none of that to prove that its a great game and far more superior.

I'm not sure how a game tries to prove its the best with spin-offs, that's an odd statement right there, and many fans of the game don't even bother playing them.


And I'll ignore the fact that you called me... what was it? *glances back up* Oh, childish and whiny, because I have to accept the fact that when people debate online they tend to talk in condescending ways. I'm not saying I'm an exception to the rule.

That comment wasn't directed towards you. To actually answer your question, I really don't think there is a set number/ratio where we could determine if something is underrated - because it's not about how many people like a game. "Crime and Punishment" is considered one of the best novels of all time but it will probably never have as many enthusiasts as say, The Lord of the Rings, but does that mean it's underrated? No. Underrated references the popular consensus, not whether something is popular or not.

[,,,]

That comment wasn't directed towards you. To actually answer your question, I really don't think there is a set number/ratio where we could determine if something is underrated - because it's not about how many people like a game. "Crime and Punishment" is considered one of the best novels of all time but it will probably never have as many enthusiasts as say, The Lord of the Rings, but does that mean it's underrated? No. Underrated references the popular consensus, not whether something is popular or not.

I know it wasn't directed at me, but I am in the "jealousy" crowd, so you basically did call me that. I don't mind though, I'm pretty sure kenshin called me a retard back there somewhere, so we're cool. Yeah, I'm a 25 y/o with a Master's degree being called a retard by... *checks his profile*.... crap, no age given. Well, that kills my joke. I was hoping to be able to finish with: "by a 16 y/o. I love the internet!" Well, so much for that. That one wasn't directed at me either. I think it was VI fanpersons. I... wait, am I one of those? I love the game probably more than it deserves. That's fanpersonage, right? Screw it, back to topic.

Anyway, I see what you're getting at, although the analogy would work better if you took stuff from the same genre. Let's see, I haven't read any bad Russian literature, so we'll stick with Lord of the Rings and add.... let's say harry God damn potter. Alright, well I guess it's two different ways of looking at it. I can see what you're saying. On one hand, the LotR series is well acclaimed, so you would say it isn't underrated. But on the other hand, it's good enough that it ought to be more well acclaimed than the potter books, but it isn't. Well, this analogy isn't working perfectly either, since the potter books haven't had the test of time that the LotR series has, and maybe in 20 years things will be as they should be, while with those two FFs are both fairly close in time. Anyway, discounting the fans completely and just looking at how they're remembered by.... gaming historians? ok, now I'm confused, do we have gaming historians? Please say no. You know, I don't know what to think anymore. But is it really wrong to say that vi is underrated by fans? Can't we just be talking about two different things? vi is underrated by fans, but not underrated by.... gameologists. I think that makes sense. But it's past 4 AM.

In fact, I think there are a number of angles you could look at it.

We could be talking about underrated as in, underrated by the fans. I would still vote vi as being underrated for not being above vii when I feel it ought to be.

Or we could be talking about critical acclaim. If that's it, I may be a big enough geek to post on a FF message board, but I'm not a big enough geek to read dozens of reviews on each game and see which one got the better rating, so I don't know which way that'd go.

Or we could be talking about its contribution to gaming "history" or whatever, and if that's the case, blah though I think it is, vii did bring FF to the mainstream for better or worse and I don't think vi made any contributions that big, so in that case I guess vii does deserve its #1 spot, and vi is not underrated for being below it.

Or we could be talking about how well known it is. vii has to be the most well known, vi is not as well known but it ought to be known... so vi could be underrated there too.

Then there's the usefulness of the object itself. vii's disk makes a great frisbee or coaster, while that cartridge of vi isn't good for anything, so it doesn't deserve to be rated as high as vii there either.

I get the feeling I should stop now.

[champagne supernova]

Anyway, I see what you're getting at, although the analogy would work better if you took stuff from the same genre. Let's see, I haven't read any bad Russian literature, so we'll stick with Lord of the Rings and add....

I object to that. Dostoevsky is one of the most acclaimed authors in the world. And the Russians dominate the literature scene. They've got Dostoevsky (mentioned above), Chekhov, Tolstoy and Nabakov. Lolita is probably the greatest piece of contemporary fiction. So, this is definitely not bad Russian literature.

Anyway, what Bolivar's point is that VI and VII probably have the same critical acclaim. Popular acclaim is a completely different story. So, Bolivar's point is that, although Crime & Punishment is not as popularly acclaimed as Lord of the Rings, it is more critically acclaimed. And then it is not under-rated.

[,,,]

^ I wasn't calling that book bad Russian literature, I meant I didn't know of anything Russian that was bad to compare it to. Lolita is one of my favorites, but for Nabokov I prefer Pale Fire, my favorite novel of all time. I'm reading Bend Sinister by him right now.

Oh, and don't leave out Gogol. Dead Souls is the funniest thing I've ever read.

[Ultima9999]

"I'm not sure how a game tries to prove its the best with spin-offs, that's an odd statement right there, and many fans of the game don't even bother playing them."

How do you figure. Everytime I get on the internet, read a video gaming magazine, or walk into a video gaming store, theres talk of another final fantasy VII spin-off. Why have all these spin-offs of a game that wasn't even all that great. Unless its trying to make a moot point and show how great and grand VII was.

"Third, I would ask what the hell are you talking about with the whole "VI broke the mold with the story" comment. On the multiple times I've played/beaten it, I've found the dialogue just as thoughtless and cliche as the previous FF's, with an extremely underdeveloped villain, and I actually think some 16-bit RPGs I played when I had never even heard about FFVI are alot better, story included."

Are you serious The story telling in VI was great and within the story itself there were back storys to ever character. They didn't have to come out with a prequel, or a sequel for that matter to explain why sabain left the kingdom behind, or why gau was some wild child, or what life was like for Cyan before his family was murdered. It was all there in the game. The story was so in depth there could never be another like it. Thats what I mean as in it broke the mold. Some storys in a video game can get convoluted and messy this one didn't. each playable character had something to offer. Underdeveloped Villain...I agree with you to an extent Keffka was an all out BADASS he didn't carry a sword (It was a Kick ass sword) as Sephiroth did but he was funny (I agree a little corney at times) but he was another character that I enjoyed. He didn't give a flying you know what about who he hurt he was all out destructive.

We could sit and debate this for eons but like most of us we will have our favorite FF games and are Dislikes of other FF games.

If you have something else to add, feel free to use the "edit/delete" button rather than double posting. - Flying Mullet

[Bolivar]

How do you figure. Everytime I get on the internet, read a video gaming magazine, or walk into a video gaming store, theres talk of another final fantasy VII spin-off. Why have all these spin-offs of a game that wasn't even all that great. Unless its trying to make a moot point and show how great and grand VII was.

Why: Because it was a popular game to which there is a large demand for expansion of its storyline and new productions featuring its characters/world.

Hater Translation: Because Big Corporations like Square-Enix like to milk it for everything its worth.

Whichever translation suites you, that should be obvious enough.



Are you serious The story telling in VI was great and within the story itself there were back storys to ever character. They didn't have to come out with a prequel, or a sequel for that matter to explain why sabain left the kingdom behind, or why gau was some wild child, or what life was like for Cyan before his family was murdered. It was all there in the game. The story was so in depth there could never be another like it. Thats what I mean as in it broke the mold. Some storys in a video game can get convoluted and messy this one didn't. each playable character had something to offer. Underdeveloped Villain...I agree with you to an extent Keffka was an all out BADASS he didn't carry a sword (It was a Kick ass sword) as Sephiroth did but he was funny (I agree a little corney at times) but he was another character that I enjoyed. He didn't give a flying you know what about who he hurt he was all out destructive.


The only thing "great" about VI's storytelling was the use of Uematsu's ingenious score, which could convey such powerful emotions with such a limited amount of resources.

Again, the dialogue was trifle. It was the same amount of crap you would expect from characters stuck inside of a video game, not characters in a story.

There was nothing deep about it. Everything is on the surface, there is no unique insight which the player is supposed to be left with. "fight for what's right!", "never give up!", "if you get your teen girlfriend pregnant, support her!". These are all a priori values which would are accepted by nearly every culture without any heated debate. If you (or anyone else) knows of any themes which go deeper than this in Final Fantasy VI, please, let me know, in this thread, or send me a PM, because I'd seriously like to find out what they are.

[Ultima9999]

Well not to have a pissing contest with you The storyline was great regradless of what you think about it. The story for me was one of the best and yes the musical score was unreal liked it so much I bought the CD a few months later and it helped with the story. But for me the story was strong and powerful and it may be cliche for how the story was told and the dialog may not have been to your liking but for me it was decent.

[Avarice-ness]

Any game that has atleast one fan is automatically over rated.

[sdm42393]

Any game that has at least one fan is automatically over rated.

Pretty much. I really don't think it matters. FF6 and FF7 were really good games, but one happened to be more popular (hence the laundry-list of spinoff titles).

[The Crystal]

Any game that has atleast one fan is automatically over rated.

But FFVI have many fans. And an increasing number of fanboys/girls, comparable with FFVII itself.

[The Man]

I think Avarice-ness was being sarcastic. And FFVI still has nowhere near as many fanboys as FFVII does; just looking at polls on GameFAQs will make that clear.

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[Wolfen]

VI was the first FF that I beat.

And it was awesome.

VII was the last FF that I beat.

And it was also awesome.

Both great games, but both overrated.

[FF_Fanatic57]

This game was by far my favorite.

you could train players stats (attack, speed, defense, magic, etc) while picking what magic they learn.

This game was also FAR from a normal J-RPG.

The storylines were fantastic, while having some mysteries.

Lastly, IT WAS LONG.

[Wolf Kanno]

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