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Aerith's Knight
10-06-2008, 10:49 PM
Awesome, maybe I will be able to change my vote tomorrow. (If I need to)

I know you won't, for one very simple reason. Your votes for me aren't fueled by reason.


I'm voting Aeriths Knight, because she is posting a lot (Mafia are usually keen), and I don't need smart ass comments about me being bad every post. >_>

##Vote: Aeriths Knight

and every vote since then is purely aimed at voting for me without reason.

It's good for you I don't do personal grudges.

demondude
10-06-2008, 10:50 PM
You clearly do, because you keep cropping up my past failures. >_>

Aerith's Knight
10-06-2008, 10:53 PM
Can you blame me?

And if I wasn't for giving you another chance, I wouldve voted for you. Which I haven't, if you didn't notice.

Psychotic
10-06-2008, 10:55 PM
That was more of hey paul you should talkish kinda thing. :D I can't get any info on you at this moment in time xDThen why didn't you just say that in the first place? And seeing as how I've been talking more than you, this is just another example of odd behaviour from you.

But I am looking for suspicious and not odd.

...maybe you are playing up to that actually.

Levian
10-06-2008, 11:26 PM
Oh great finally some mafia activity.

First of all I've been playing up the Lekana and Psychotic Thing? what's between you guys isn't even worthy of being called a Thing. Psychotic slapped a vote on her before she even appeared and didn't change it all day. Yaaaaaawn. But sure, let's say I did play into your frisky little Thing. I voted for Lekana too very early in the game. I did that because I knew it would anger Lekana, and I love to see Lekana angry. She can get very angry! I thought maybe it'd make her slip up too. Which brings me to the reason why I voted her at the end of Day 1. I was planning to unvote her, I just wanted to see her reaction to being in the lead so late in the day.



Del, if you don't give a more adequate explaination for this, you're getting my vote, because, as I read this, as DD can only claim mafia, cop/doc and townie.

oooh, interesting spot. Maybe we're reading too much into this one, but perhaps this is Del's way of letting us know DD is town; ie Del is mafia. Not exactly a smoking gun, of course, but hey, it's all in the details. Something to make a note of!

I don't know what you guys are on about here. Del is right, there are only three roles he can claim. Cop, Doctor and Townie. Claiming anything else would be beyond stupidity.

Yes, I'm casual. That's how I play mafia. You guys just don't know it because I always get killed right away.




Damned by Psychotic if you do, damned by Lekana if you don't!

Pick ur path, Sagensyg.

It's like he's setting the table for Sage to go down without actually voting for him, thus avoiding the suspicion and getting a townie out of the way. Also continuing to play off of the Psy-Lekana rivalry, he keeps his friends' focus on each other instead of himself.

You're reading too much into it. I actually said that to cut Sagensyg some slack. Psychotic said he'd be suspicious of anyone who'd vote for DD based on past games. Then Sagensyg said he agreed. Then Lekana said Sagensyg was suspicious because he agreed with Psychotic. See? Sagensyg had a bad outcome either way. I made that comment because I found it unreasonable. I just happened to do it casually. I know you guys love it when I'm being casual.

okay that's my defence. Now onto my best defence, the offence.

It's quite simple for me now. Either Del Murder or Psychotic is a mafia. I don't care about Lekana right now, she's not that suspicious to me. If she happens to be the second mafia, she can be dealt with later.

Let's start with Fuelboy.


Right now my main suspicion is Levian. As mentioned before he plays really casual and that makes him a dangerous mafia.

That is brand new information! Oh wait:


I think he was way too casual yesterday! Yeah I was pretty casual but he was casual TO THE MAX. Mafia objective for day one is to keep your head down and not say anything incriminating.

Apparently this is a very strong argument since it's worth bringing up again. I don't even get how being casual is a great strategy, and especially not casual TO THE MAX. Everyone knows that it's the guy who's whistling, having his hands in his pocket and looking around in the air is the true sinner. Bringing less attention to yourself is always a better mafia strategy, and you guys know that. Suspicion points.

The rest of Del's post looks pretty much like he's trying to make stuff up to back up the points that he has, like linking me with Psy and Lekana, talking about qwerty's traps and trying to link me to Sagensyg's downfall. Which is just weird, seeing as I had nothing to do with that.

What's even more weird to me is that Psychotic is backing up Del on the Psychotic and Lekana "thing". Yet, he still mentions that he suspects Del. Psychotic likes to mention suspicions in this game, but it appears that he doesn't like voting. It's awfully convenient to point fingers at your mafia buddy all the time without actually voting for him.

Psychotic's voting history this game: 1 vote for Lekana on Day 1.

Ooh, saucy! Please make a vote, Mr. Psychotic?


I wanted to vote Psychotic before I read Del Murder's post, but that post really pushed me off a cliff Wile E. Coyote style, so here we go.

##Vote: Del Murder

Psychotic
10-06-2008, 11:52 PM
I don't know what you guys are on about here. Del is right, there are only three roles he can claim. Cop, Doctor and Townie. Claiming anything else would be beyond stupidity. Strongly disagreed. Claiming mafia is beneficial in certain circumstances if you are mafia. Hell, I believe every single time I have been mafia at EoFF, I have claimed, and for good reason. :greenie:


Either Del Murder or Psychotic is a mafia. Mmmm smells like chain lynch. :drool:


Everyone knows that it's the guy who's whistling, having his hands in his pocket and looking around in the air is the true sinner. Bringing less attention to yourself is always a better mafia strategy, and you guys know that.That's the point; being casual and joking = no attention because you're not saying anything incriminating, and if you do, you can pass it off as a joke.
Ooh, saucy! Please make a vote, Mr. Psychotic? Hey now, at least I stick to my convictions, you flip-flopping loon. If you'd read my post you'd see why I had not voted. I did not feel informed enough to make a decision until you and Lekana had made some posts today. And lo and behold, you have!

So here we go.

##vote: Sir Lancealot

He's barely making any waves. Del and Levian are both suspicious but if either (or both) is scum he'll trip up big time sooner or later, the way they're going. Lance is, like those two, suspicious to me, but also an unknown quantity because he has yet to play his hand. If he's innocent, and he shows more of himself (if you know what I mean) then hey maybe I'll get a better feel for him and unvote him. You never know.

Sir Lancealot
10-07-2008, 12:39 AM
I don't know what you guys are on about here. Del is right, there are only three roles he can claim. Cop, Doctor and Townie. Claiming anything else would be beyond stupidity. Strongly disagreed. Claiming mafia is beneficial in certain circumstances if you are mafia. Hell, I believe every single time I have been mafia at EoFF, I have claimed, and for good reason. :greenie:
How would that help, or is that sarcasm?


He's barely making any waves. Del and Levian are both suspicious but if either (or both) is scum he'll trip up big time sooner or later, the way they're going. Lance is, like those two, suspicious to me, but also an unknown quantity because he has yet to play his hand. If he's innocent, and he shows more of himself (if you know what I mean) then hey maybe I'll get a better feel for him and unvote him. You never know.
I know, I don't post much. I would post more, but I find it hard to post my ideas, and at times my ideas have been posted by someone else. Besides, if you talk you're mafia, and if you don't you're mafia.

Aerith's Knight
10-07-2008, 12:46 AM
I don't know what you guys are on about here. Del is right, there are only three roles he can claim. Cop, Doctor and Townie. Claiming anything else would be beyond stupidity. Strongly disagreed. Claiming mafia is beneficial in certain circumstances if you are mafia. Hell, I believe every single time I have been mafia at EoFF, I have claimed, and for good reason. :greenie:
How would that help, or is that sarcasm?


Roleclaiming mafia is the same as denying it, because a mafia would never do it, so people would think you do it as a joke, out of sarcasm, etc.

Sometimes it brings the message better than simply saying: "Nuhuu"

Sir Lancealot
10-07-2008, 12:48 AM
Oh.

Levian
10-07-2008, 12:54 AM
That's just silly.

There's just 3 roleclaims IMHO

and talking is always better than not talking, and voting is always better than not voting. If you're a townie then you have nothing to worry about, like for instance slipping up or contradicting yourself. So pour your heart's content upon us Lancelot.

Psychotic
10-07-2008, 12:58 AM
It helps because A) people could hammer vote you because HEY LET'S END THE DAY EVEN THOUGH WE MOAN ABOUT IT NOT STARTING YET B) even if it doesn't end the day, people think their work is done and stop posting stuff. Notice how nobody gave a crap about further mafia on that day after I claimed in that C9 game? :)

Goldenboko
10-07-2008, 12:59 AM
Haha, fell asleep luckily you guys didn't mass a huge vote block xD



Official Votecount
Levian (1) - Del Murder
Aerith's Knight (1) -Demon Dude
Del Murder (1) - Levian
Sir Lancealot (1) - Psychotic

Not Voting
Sir Lancealot, Lekana, Aerith's Knight

Aerith's Knight
10-07-2008, 01:39 AM
I'm heading for bed.

I can't decide on who to vote for though. Psy and Del are certainly suspisious, Psy because of standing out(something he only does as a mafia) and Del because of a scum vibe you just get from his posts against Psy.

Furthermore Old Manus has been behaving oddly in the first day, but brings some good arguments. Could be day 1 shannanigens, or mafia stirring up trouble.

Demon Dude because he contuently votes for me for reasons that he doesn't explain or even comply to. Personal grudges are also very untownisch.

Sir Lancelot hasn't actually been doing anything.. at all.

Lekana as only one doesn't give me a reason to vote for her, but she hasn't posted a lot, so that could be the cause.

But seeing as we have another day, I'll refrain from voting.

I'll see you all in about 17 hours, so please refrain from one line questions until I'm back.

Good night Town!

Psychotic
10-07-2008, 01:48 AM
Are you kidding me? I stand out infinitely more as town :laugh:

Freya
10-07-2008, 03:00 AM
I just got out of my tae kwon do class and I was kicking butt there so I will do it here now too :D

PREPARE FOR A WALL OF TEXT

OK Lance, You've played a few times now. You're acting as if this is all new to you. When I know it's not. Yes, we shouldn't base things off past games but this kind of holds merit; playing a game like you don't know how when do is just as bad as acting scummy.




1) DD annoys him and he wants him dead, while his vote for Lev was not serious

2) Del is Levian scum buddy, and with 3/9 votes, lev was in a bit of danger for a lynch. DD has a very shaky record of past games, and it would take very little to use the reasoning that I provided to pin a lynch on DD and save Lev.


I'd like to point out qwerty, our death of our night. Yesterday he pointed fingers at DD, Del, And Levy. Now this is a more vet's game than anything. So the few people that he mentioned well here's what I get.

When there is a night kill sometimes it happens out of revenge. People, tend to not like other players and well, kill them. Now if qwerty points a finger at lev and del they may not want to kill qwerty cause that would link them. I can see DD as more of a revenge type. I'm not discrediting the other two. It could very well be a set up by the other that could be mafia to get one lynched. Also i'd like to giggle at qwerty making mention of levy and del being scum buddies when a few people mentioned it today :D


A TO THE K

You can make everything seems scummy if you put enough effort and quotes into it.

LOOK I'M MAKING YOU SCUMMY! That or I'm just presenting a case against a suspicious character. :D



You are forgetting this is day 1. There isn't any basis, any reason at all for voting on day 1, at least in the beginning, because nobody has said much yet, no vote counts to look at, no nothing.

So what do you do? Go for inactive.
This is in reference to Saggy. You say this, there is no basis for voting and well right before this you voted DD




##vote: Demon Dude

I'm sorry to say though that this is because of previous games, because every time you disrupt the game.. as a townie.

I looked at the list and thought, if I had to give a vote without reasoning within this game, who would I pick. Your name came up, I'm afraid.

It's still a reason. "I don't like how you play you must be scum" is what I get from that. You're so adamant on voting for inactives because it's a reason. And baseless votes are bad right?



Well, it was 28 hours into the first day, and the only inactive(you) became active. So I have 8 equilly scummy people, where one of them has a reputation of ruining games. What would you do?

Not voting is not an option.


You spelled equally wrong and it's bugging me xD ANYWHO Even though DD has a reputation of ruining games, he really can't do much in such a small game with only so many roles. That's like, "I'm gonna claim this mouse ate the cheese even though it's stuck in a cage."

It seems that you two were had argumentative banter yesterday and it was "I'll vote you" "well I'll vote you!" Then come today and you state


It's good for you I don't do personal grudges.

Can you blame me?

And if I wasn't for giving you another chance, I wouldve voted for you. Which I haven't, if you didn't notice.
"Oh I don't hold grudges but oh wait, you suck at all the past games :D Oh yeah I'm not gonna vote you now because you no longer deserve it."

I dunno to me it seems like you're just trying to play the nice guy now. you give everyone chances though they all deserve clean slates according to AK. Like in reference to levy :D



However, I want to give him an honest chance. So I won't vote until I hear his defence.
You point out reasons why levy is suspicious but then you don't vote even though earlier you went on about how not voting is bad. Yet, why no vote?



Just like you said. In a 24-player game, it can work out to play inactive. But in a game like this, people will notice, like I did, and therefore will get votes for the first day.

If you don't help us, you help them. And by being inactive, you're not helping us.

I hate this logic. It's ridiculous. I hate inactive hunting, at least in the beginning. People never really knew for sure when this game was gonna start. Some are busy with lives. And yes such a small game it CAN hurt people but it also could potentially get rid of a power role, a role that is so sparse in these games. So sure you could have got yourself a mafia, but percentage wise you could have had 7/9 chances to get a town. In some of those cases there was 2/7 chance to get a power role, or 1/7 so 2/9 or 1/9 power roles for town. That's just as lucky as 2/9 for mafia. You were taking the same chance for a power role as you were for mafia. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?

I pointed out a few things that threw red flags for me. SOOOOO


##Vote: Aerith's Knight

Del Murder
10-07-2008, 04:35 AM
Oh great finally some mafia activity.
What does that mean? If you want to see more activity you make some posts, and especially some votes. Don't wait around for people to accuse you to reply.

Levian, your response wasn't what I expected. Accusing your accuser just because they accused you? That's like mafia response 101. I thought you were better than this. 'best defense is a good offense'. That's not good reasoning. How does going on the offensive against the accuser help your case in any way other than shifting the spotlight from yourself to them, something a mafia would want to do?

How can my evidence be 'made up' when more than two others (meaning, at least one townie) see my point? It's not concrete but I do think it deserves more credit than you are giving it. You replied with the context of the quote I posted and I see how that can be an explanation but honestly I don't buy it. Obviously there is an explanation for everything you posted or you wouldn't have posted it. Any good player would have a story to back up what they say. The point is I don't think your story is believable and I think you have been trying very hard to keep the spotlight on anyone but yourself. At first it was done casually but now that you have been targeted you have to switch gears.

I got the word 'casual' from Psychotic but it wasn't 'brand new information!'. qwerty mentioned that you are a dangerous mafia because of the way you play. I believe it is that casual play that he was referring to. I made note of that because it reminded me of when you schooled us the last time. Then when qwerty died I went back and made double note of it. You are dangerous when you are mafia. Which is why I need to be sure.

Let's go back to qwerty. I didn't mention this in my first post because I was running out of time before I had to go back to work, and Psychotic had already touched on it. You say that due to the fact that Psy, Lekana, and myself are still alive after one day means one of us is mafia. That's dumb reasoning. Who is more likely to be protected in night 1 than myself or Psychotic (besides the doc themselves)? Yeah the smart move is to protect yourself. Yeah we don't even know if a doc is in play. But why risk something like that when you could take out a good but under the radar player like qwerty? And what makes qwerty a worse or less recognizable player than Lekana? You don't think he's good enough of a player to be a threat? I think you do, and that's why you killed him.

I will lay off of Lev for a minute now. I agree with him on two things. Talking is better than not talking. And I there are only three roles in this game you can claim - town, doctor, cop. I can't believe I actually got 3 comments on that. You people need to post more so we can get better info to go on. I can see Psychotic's point on the mafia claim but I wasn't really thinking that deep when I made the comment.

Now that Gobo has extended the day we don't need to rush into a decision. I always hate when we drag things out like this but I guess the lack of activity in the thread demanded it. And having a 4 way tie with one vote each would be kind of stupid. So let's all have a party and talk things out.

Sir Lancealot
10-07-2008, 05:16 AM
I got the word 'casual' from Psychotic but it wasn't 'brand new information!'. qwerty mentioned that you are a dangerous mafia because of the way you play. I believe it is that casual play that he was referring to.
That's why I voted for Levian. If he's mafia he could win again.


But why risk something like that when you could take out a good but under the radar player like qwerty? And what makes qwerty a worse or less recognizable player than Lekana? You don't think he's good enough of a player to be a threat? I think you do, and that's why you killed him.
Could you please explain this, as I don't think I've played a game with him. Also, if you think he's so good, what's to say that you didn't kill him?

Sir Lancealot
10-07-2008, 06:46 AM
Now I think about, I have played with qwerty. Don't remember if he's good or not.

Del Murder
10-07-2008, 07:37 AM
Wtf? I don't know if you are really that dense or just a really bad mafia. Right now I'm leaning toward the latter. From what I can see you have played at least 2 C9 games with qwerty, as well as Harry Potter Mafia and Ace Attorney Mafia. I'm not going to go back further than that because I think that's enough.

qwerty hosted two games and even ran the awards. He also won some awards. I'm not going to go through specific instances since it's getting late here, but he plays a good town. He tends to fly under the radar, but really, this much? That's hard to believe.

Lance you need to post more than a couple lines that aren't trying to ask questions while at the same time not stepping on anyone's toes. You have until tomorrow morning to say something substantial or else my vote changes.

Levian
10-07-2008, 02:02 PM
What I meant by mafia activity was activity by the mafia, not activity in general. And when I said that, I wasn't even aiming at you, I actually made up my mind between you and Psy as I went along.

A good offense is a good defense. If I just spent my time defending myself and not adding anything else to the soup I would just be digging myself a hole. Besides, there is no way to defend myself anyway. I didn't accuse you just because of you accusing me, just really the build up of that post as well as the comments, and the FEEL to it. I know it's not big, it's rather little actually. That's because if you or Psychotic are mafia then you haven't really slipped up, and maybe you aren't going to either. Not all mafia can be found by deduction, but it's always lovely when that is possible.


How can my evidence be 'made up' when more than two others (meaning, at least one townie) see my point? It's not concrete but I do think it deserves more credit than you are giving it. You replied with the context of the quote I posted and I see how that can be an explanation but honestly I don't buy it. Obviously there is an explanation for everything you posted or you wouldn't have posted it. Any good player would have a story to back up what they say. The point is I don't think your story is believable and I think you have been trying very hard to keep the spotlight on anyone but yourself. At first it was done casually but now that you have been targeted you have to switch gears.

Maybe they're not made up, but I definitely don't see the point in some of them. It just came off as you were trying too hard to come up with multiple reasons for suspecting me. I don't see a Lekana and Psychotic thing, I don't see me trying to flush out Sagensyg, which still wasn't my intentions behind that one post.

Yes, qwerty is a good player. In this game I'd say you and Psychotic are the best, though. But whatever, I don't like speculating in why someone died anyway, that's what the mafia wants, right? That's why they killed them.

Mind you, I'm not dead set that you're mafia. Unlike others I don't need to be informed to make a vote, that's why there are unvotes. I love putting votes, it makes good discussions.

I am still very suspicious of Psychotic, so if you are indeed a townie, maybe you don't mind saying what you feel about him? not trying to turn the spotlight away from me I swear. ;)

Psychotic
10-07-2008, 04:47 PM
I am still very suspicious of Psychotic, so if you are indeed a townie, maybe you don't mind saying what you feel about him? not trying to turn the spotlight away from me I swear. ;)"Hey Del, do my dirty work for me." :p Why do you think yours truly is suspicious? Oh anyway I was re-reding the thread and I spotted this little beauty.
Two townies is a bit unsettling, cause I really hope we have a cop.Gloating about night time? Scum tell~ :D

Another thing I do not like about the viking was the way he pretty much demanded that I vote yesterday. I dunno, I got the feeling he saw me as influential in the him vs Del argument (as the three of us are all paranoid about each other) and was hoping to base his strategy on how I voted. A bit iffy! I can't lie, that was a very strong reason for me to vote for my third suspect, Lancealot, as opposed to my other two, Levian and Del Murder. I'm not playing by your rules, foo'! :cool:

Lekana's case on AK? Not...not feeling that one, really. If I were to call AK out on anything he's done, it would be this post:
can't decide on who to vote for though. Psy and Del are certainly suspisious, Psy because of standing out(something he only does as a mafia) and Del because of a scum vibe you just get from his posts against Psy.

Furthermore Old Manus has been behaving oddly in the first day, but brings some good arguments. Could be day 1 shannanigens, or mafia stirring up trouble.

Demon Dude because he contuently votes for me for reasons that he doesn't explain or even comply to. Personal grudges are also very untownisch.

Sir Lancelot hasn't actually been doing anything.. at all.

Lekana as only one doesn't give me a reason to vote for her, but she hasn't posted a lot, so that could be the cause.It seems a bit, y'know "oh he's a bit suspicious...but I don't know...." to me. Wishy-washy. Leaving his options open to strike on whoever the town picks out. Not crime of the century, not #1 on my suspect list, just surprised that wasn't pointed out.

Vote is staying on Lance for now; I don't doubt that he'll pick up the slack, so hopefully he'll give me a little more to work with. I need to think some things through first but my vote could well change before the day is out.

Also, would like to see more from Demon Dude. So far he's been making some non-committal, general statements.

Aerith's Knight
10-07-2008, 04:54 PM
Real mature, accusing me 2 hours after I leave.

Anyway, I'll typ up my defence against the sudden 3 page of accusations. :p

Psychotic
10-07-2008, 05:00 PM
There's no time outs in mafia!

Levian
10-07-2008, 05:02 PM
Oh god not the stupid scumtells again. I might get sick on your avatar. They fail just as often as they strike gold.

I've said I was suspicious of both Del Murder and you, I don't expect Del to vote for you and I don't expect you to vote for Del. If anything I expect to get both you guys on my neck. I just want to hear what you have to say about eachother.

Aerith's Knight
10-07-2008, 05:06 PM
A TO THE K

You can make everything seems scummy if you put enough effort and quotes into it.

LOOK I'M MAKING YOU SCUMMY! That or I'm just presenting a case against a suspicious character. :D

:rolleyes2





You are forgetting this is day 1. There isn't any basis, any reason at all for voting on day 1, at least in the beginning, because nobody has said much yet, no vote counts to look at, no nothing.

So what do you do? Go for inactive.
This is in reference to Saggy. You say this, there is no basis for voting and well right before this you voted DD


Saggy was the last inactive, and after he became active, I turned to the one person I would vote for without reason(it was day 1 after all). I said all this a few posts before that, mind you.





[quote=Aerith's Knight;2573805]

##vote: Demon Dude

I'm sorry to say though that this is because of previous games, because every time you disrupt the game.. as a townie.

I looked at the list and thought, if I had to give a vote without reasoning within this game, who would I pick. Your name came up, I'm afraid.

It's still a reason. "I don't like how you play you must be scum" is what I get from that. You're so adamant on voting for inactives because it's a reason. And baseless votes are bad right?


Voting for inactives on day 1 is a good strategy, and I stand by that. Baseless votes are bad, I agree, but.. well.. I didn't have anyone else to vote for. xD

Plus, there were a lot of inconsistencies in his posts.





Well, it was 28 hours into the first day, and the only inactive(you) became active. So I have 8 equilly scummy people, where one of them has a reputation of ruining games. What would you do?

Not voting is not an option.


You spelled equally wrong and it's bugging me xD ANYWHO Even though DD has a reputation of ruining games, he really can't do much in such a small game with only so many roles. That's like, "I'm gonna claim this mouse ate the cheese even though it's stuck in a cage."


Well, if DD claims cop or doctor to get out of a lynch(while being townie, mind you) and the real doc or cop has to reveal himself to lynch DD(thinking only a mafia would lie), I say he can ruin a game.

And don't say he wouldn't do that.



It seems that you two were had argumentative banter yesterday and it was "I'll vote you" "well I'll vote you!" Then come today and you state


It's good for you I don't do personal grudges.

Can you blame me?

And if I wasn't for giving you another chance, I wouldve voted for you. Which I haven't, if you didn't notice.
"Oh I don't hold grudges but oh wait, you suck at all the past games :D Oh yeah I'm not gonna vote you now because you no longer deserve it."


You know, this passive agressiveness is really starting to bother me.

DD seemed to make an effort, even Psy noticed, so I thought I'd give him a break. Plus, it was day 2 and there were bigger fish anyway.



I dunno to me it seems like you're just trying to play the nice guy now. you give everyone chances though they all deserve clean slates according to AK. Like in reference to levy :D


Why is waiting for someone's defence bad play? Seems like playing well to me. Or should I change my vote 12 times a day? :rolleyes2





[quote=Aerith's Knight;2574379]
However, I want to give him an honest chance. So I won't vote until I hear his defence.
You point out reasons why levy is suspicious but then you don't vote even though earlier you went on about how not voting is bad. Yet, why no vote?


Because we had 28 more hours of development. No need to rush. Changing votes do not give confidence.





Just like you said. In a 24-player game, it can work out to play inactive. But in a game like this, people will notice, like I did, and therefore will get votes for the first day.

If you don't help us, you help them. And by being inactive, you're not helping us.

I hate this logic. It's ridiculous. I hate inactive hunting, at least in the beginning. People never really knew for sure when this game was gonna start. Some are busy with lives. And yes such a small game it CAN hurt people but it also could potentially get rid of a power role, a role that is so sparse in these games. So sure you could have got yourself a mafia, but percentage wise you could have had 7/9 chances to get a town. In some of those cases there was 2/7 chance to get a power role, or 1/7 so 2/9 or 1/9 power roles for town. That's just as lucky as 2/9 for mafia. You were taking the same chance for a power role as you were for mafia. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?


Everyone confirmed, so there are no inactives, just lurkers.

Voting is a way of bringing them out to post.



I pointed out a few things that threw red flags for me. SOOOOO


##Vote: Aerith's Knight

I could grudge-vote you know, but I dont suspect you, so I won't.

I do feel the same way about you as paul does, though. :)

Psychotic
10-07-2008, 05:07 PM
Oh god not the stupid scumtells again. I might get sick on your avatar. They fail just as often as they strike gold. 50-50 chance? I like those odds. :cool:

Aerith's Knight
10-07-2008, 05:10 PM
Lekana's case on AK? Not...not feeling that one, really. If I were to call AK out on anything he's done, it would be this post:
can't decide on who to vote for though. Psy and Del are certainly suspisious, Psy because of standing out(something he only does as a mafia) and Del because of a scum vibe you just get from his posts against Psy.

Furthermore Old Manus has been behaving oddly in the first day, but brings some good arguments. Could be day 1 shannanigens, or mafia stirring up trouble.

Demon Dude because he contuently votes for me for reasons that he doesn't explain or even comply to. Personal grudges are also very untownisch.

Sir Lancelot hasn't actually been doing anything.. at all.

Lekana as only one doesn't give me a reason to vote for her, but she hasn't posted a lot, so that could be the cause.It seems a bit, y'know "oh he's a bit suspicious...but I don't know...." to me. Wishy-washy. Leaving his options open to strike on whoever the town picks out. Not crime of the century, not #1 on my suspect list, just surprised that wasn't pointed out.

Vote is staying on Lance for now; I don't doubt that he'll pick up the slack, so hopefully he'll give me a little more to work with. I need to think some things through first but my vote could well change before the day is out.

Also, would like to see more from Demon Dude. So far he's been making some non-committal, general statements.

Actually, I wouldn't post against Lekana, but anyone else seemed still open play to me. At least last night.

Now I'll have to look at the other posts, not just the attacks at me, and draw some conclusions out of those.

I'll answer your question Manus, as soon as I look at Del's posts again.

Aerith's Knight
10-07-2008, 05:25 PM
Ah, let's see what these hours have brought.

Firstly, on Del and You(you're Levian and Old Manus, right?).

It seems to be that Del accused you with very little proof, you thereafter accused him, then he further accused you to rebuff your accusation.

I don't see how this connects me to Del though, only thing I could see was that both he and me voted for inactives on day 1. It's not that odd a strategy.

But by reading all those posts carefully I noticed something. And that would be Sir L.

I know he played a bunch of other games, and he knows how to play. I have to agree to Lekana or Psy's(can't remember) reasoning that he is either a newbie or a very lousy mafia.

And we know he isn't a newbie.

##vote: Sir Dance-a-lot

demondude
10-07-2008, 05:39 PM
Woah, okay time for a non committal post.

Levian:

You came out and started playing seriously again.
I don't really have any reason to vote for you, but I will keep an eye out.

Psychotic:

I really respect the way you stood by me during day 1 against the 'grudge votes', and also respect the way you said now I am playing seriously I will be analysed just as much as everyone else.
But ... I did get a slight feeling you alliance sleeked a bit, Dudley did it last game with Filch and he turned out to be bad, I just think it was quite strange the way you said you'd analyse me, then never mentioned me again.
It's probably just me being suspicious though, but ....

Sir Lancealot.

I agree with what the majority are saying, you really are sneaking along in this game, and most of your posts are merely questions.
But on the other hand, you are very aware of these accusations, and you still aren't posting that avidly, so I feel that maybe your just lazy.

Del Murder

When I made the AK/Del case (Which I dropped), I made a post calling you out, you replied with suspicions on Lev and Lancealot, and kind of said 'Oh, DD is fine, he is playing properly'.
Then I agreed, and I will admit that I did it becuase I didn't want confrontation, but looking back, I do wonder why you shifted the blame slightly ....

Lekana

I don't think your mafia, you made a very good case against AK, and I just feel that you weren't defensive enough on day 1 to be mafia, I don't suspect you.

Aeriths Kinght.

Look, we have exchanged banter, and we have argued, but this is not a personal grudge post at all.

You contradicted yourself lots, you said you don't hold personal grudges, yet you keep bringing up my past games with little remarks that tick me off, and I can tell you really want to vote for me, but you don't want too ... Because you know I'm town?

And there, my suspicions, I agree it isn't great, but there.

And my vote? I'm sticking to AK.

Freya
10-07-2008, 05:50 PM
I know he played a bunch of other games, and he knows how to play. I have to agree to Lekana or Psy's(can't remember) reasoning that he is either a newbie or a very lousy mafia.

And we know he isn't a newbie.


Actually it was both of us. ^_^


I love how in your refutal a lot of the stuff.. well you reply before reading xD I make a statement then use a quote THEN is my analysis. I will sumrize that whole thing for you.

You hunt inactives which is retarded, when you made that one post it was one of your first posts kthx. THEN tell us not to vote for stupid reasons but then proceed to vote for a stupid reason. Flippy flop :P

Also I dunno why I didn't quote his last few posts. I was on a roll and missed them D:


Why is waiting for someone's defence bad play? Seems like playing well to me. Or should I change my vote 12 times a day?

Nice statement, except to the person you made the statement to RARELY changes her vote again, kthx. "OH NO I WAS JUST SAYING THAT" Sure you could have said it for others but it was directed at me not other people. I wasn't calling you out for waiting to defend yourself, which you really didn't do for DD, but the way you were phrasing it.

Also paul, I'm making my case against AK because it seems like you all have other people covered. Why waste a day thinking about one scum?

Psychotic
10-07-2008, 05:54 PM
Not asking why you made one against one, but why you didn't make a better one? :p

demondude
10-07-2008, 05:57 PM
How much longer in the day?

Aerith's Knight
10-07-2008, 06:03 PM
Aeriths Kinght.
Look, we have exchanged banter, and we have argued, but this is not a personal grudge post at all.

You contradicted yourself lots, you said you don't hold personal grudges, yet you keep bringing up my past games with little remarks that tick me off, and I can tell you really want to vote for me, but you don't want too ... Because you know I'm town?

And there, my suspicions, I agree it isn't great, but there.

And my vote? I'm sticking to AK.

Again, not suprised. I know you won't change your vote, no matter what I say. :p

I admit I contradicted myself in voting for you, but I didn't feel like voting for myself and I didn't see any suspects. I did let previous games be a point in this, I admit.






I love how in your refutal a lot of the stuff.. well you reply before reading xD I make a statement then use a quote THEN is my analysis. I will sumrize that whole thing for you.


Fine, so my playing style is different then yours, sue me.



You hunt inactives which is retarded, when you made that one post it was one of your first posts kthx. THEN tell us not to vote for stupid reasons but then proceed to vote for a stupid reason. Flippy flop :P


Just because you think it is a retarded or a stupid reason, doesn't mean it is so.




Why is waiting for someone's defence bad play? Seems like playing well to me. Or should I change my vote 12 times a day?

Nice statement, except to the person you made the statement to RARELY changes her vote again, kthx. "OH NO I WAS JUST SAYING THAT" Sure you could have said it for others but it was directed at me not other people. I wasn't calling you out for waiting to defend yourself, which you really didn't do for DD, but the way you were phrasing it.


I meant that if I change my vote with my suspision, I would be changing it 12 times a day. In that statement I really didn't know or care about your voting patterns.



Also paul, I'm making my case against AK because it seems like you all have other people covered. Why waste a day thinking about one scum?

Talk about bad reasons to accuse someone. :rolleyes2

demondude
10-07-2008, 06:06 PM
<img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" /><img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" /><img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" /><img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif" alt="skull" />, I just fucking hit my face against a fucking wall, and nearly knocked myself out.

Anyway, I would change my vote, but only if someone really slips up.

Aerith's Knight
10-07-2008, 06:08 PM
Autch, that's gotta hurt. :(

demondude
10-07-2008, 06:11 PM
Smurf it, I don't know.

##Unvote: Aeriths Knight

(For a while)

Freya
10-07-2008, 07:09 PM
Actually AK, While Psy, Del, or Levy work on getting someone to slip up, I'm working on getting people like you to slip up. It's similar to not speed lynch, the more you talk the more you can get slip ups.

Sure I could focus my attention on say Del, but Levy and Paul are already making mention of Del, i'd be rehashing the same ideas. There is no point. If their case IS convincing enough I will agree and follow suit with whatever case seems most logical to me. But at this present moment in time I'm focused on JOO.

I very well may change my vote but as of now it's you.

demondude
10-07-2008, 07:19 PM
It is possible that the stronger figures (Lekana, Psy) are taking control of the town, and are slowly picking people off.

demondude
10-07-2008, 07:19 PM
Nah.

Psychotic
10-07-2008, 08:03 PM
I have a recurring (metaphoric) nightmare that Levian, Del Murder and I are all town, bicker amongst ourselves and the mafia slip through the net as we destroy ourselves. It is why I am trying to bring people like DD and Lance into the limelight.

demondude
10-07-2008, 08:05 PM
Lancealot needs the limelight, I am being a good boy. : p

Levian
10-07-2008, 08:05 PM
##Unvote: Del Murder
##Vote: Psychotic

Let's try this. I do think he's behaving odd, especially when it comes to votes. Whether it's him not wanting to commit to his words or him not wanting to be all over the place like he's been before, I don't know. I just find his reasoning for voting Lekana and Lancelot a bit easy I guess.

and blah again at scumtells from mafiascum.net. I read through them back in Mafia 2 and I found most of them, if not all, to be such bullcrap. Many of them are easily things I could've said as a vanilla townie and stuff I probably already have said in previous games. It doesn't have anything to do with being mafia really.



Two townies is a bit unsettling, cause I really hope we have a cop.

Gloating about night time? Scum tell~:D

Well, if you would have continued that quote, you would've seen it had nothing to do with the upcoming night time and everything to do with the set up. There's been two dead townies, that means there's a higher probability that we are in one of the sets with no power roles, meaning it's going to be harder to find out if, for instance, you are a mafia or not. If that's still a scum tell, then it must be a really bad one because I'm not scum.

Levian
10-07-2008, 08:06 PM
I have a recurring (metaphoric) nightmare that Levian, Del Murder and I are all town, bicker amongst ourselves and the mafia slip through the net as we destroy ourselves.

Yes, me too. But I don't think it's the case.

Psychotic
10-07-2008, 08:13 PM
Giving reasons for voting for people and then voting for those people is not odd. Although Lekana wasn't really an "easy" vote. I voted her 'cause itwas funny to start off with, then held my vote when she started acting weirdly. An easier vote would've been Sagensyg or Demon Dude. Lancealot, yeah, easier than voting for Del or you, but I already explained why I did that - because you were trying to force my hand and I wasn't playing into it.

Scumtell from there on its own wouldn't make someone guilty, no. But in conjunction with various other actions, which have previously been pointed out, it's definitely worth looking at! In a game like this, every little detail should be examined.

As for that quote, the cop part was irrelevant to the point I was making, so there was no point in continuing it, and there's no point in you explaining it because that wasn't suspicious. I only included it because it was part of the sentence where you said "oh noes two townies dead :( :(" and I don't like to cut off sentences when quoting.

Tell you what I think. Your attempt to get me to join up with you to eliminate another threat, Del Murder, failed, so now you're trying to get him to join up with you to take out me. Nothin' doin'. Pretty sure everyone can see by now I'm townie as hell!

also, funny how you've dropped the casual thing which is "just your style" now that you've been called out on it. ;)

Levian
10-07-2008, 08:33 PM
Being super casual all the time is just annoying. Being annoying is not my play style. Besides, you guys just seemed to use it against me anyway. I can put my suit on.

What makes me even more suspicious of you is that you're not voting for me by now. Looking at your posts you seem to have way more dirt on me than you ever had on Lancelot. I think your plan is to take me out tomorrow, as a fairly easy last lynch, resulting in you guys winning the game.

Psychotic
10-07-2008, 08:40 PM
I'm not pulling the trigger and voting at this moment in time because it seems to be part of your plans that I do so. If I choose to vote for you, I'll do it in my own time. ;)

Rest assured, townsfolk, my #1 suspect will have my vote before the day ends.

Goldenboko
10-07-2008, 09:02 PM
6 Hours left in this day.



Official Votecount
Sir Lancealot (2) - Psychotic, Aerith's Knight
Levian (1) - Del Murder
Aerith's Knight (1) - Lekana
Psychotic (1) - Levian


Not Voting
Sir Lancealot

demondude
10-07-2008, 09:09 PM
Ok, I am really pushed for time at the moment, I would have made my vote much earlier, but I was unsure and was hoping maybe some advances would be made during the hour time period from where I unvoted AK.

Like I said, I haven’t got much time so I’m going to have to go with gut instinct, and evidence I have found spread through the thread.

##Vote: Sir Lancealot

Here’s the deal, at the beginning of the day Del cleverly pointed out that Sir L was ‘tiptoeing’ through the thread, I agreed with him, and then so did Psy.
Sir L was perfectly aware of these accusations, he even directly addressed them at some point. (I believe he said he simply did not have any opinions on what was happening).
Yes, it is an answer, but a very bad one at that, if he really didn’t have any inclination on what was happening he would have read the thread and picked out little bits of info, and if he really couldn’t do that, then he simply should have kept posting to make sure we know he is paying close attention, and then we’d know he is at least trying.

But I have seen him online numerous times, I feel he is being too passive, and I feel he is afraid of conflict, whether that is true or not, it is what I personally feel.
Maybe I am wrong, but I am going with my gut feeling. I don’t want to lynch someone who is contributing well and has a good chance of being a mafia.

Feel free to question me accordingly.

Sir Lancealot
10-07-2008, 09:30 PM
OK guys I just woke up. There's something I came up last night, but didn't post because of my birthday party.


Wtf? I don't know if you are really that dense or just a really bad mafia. Right now I'm leaning toward the latter. From what I can see you have played at least 2 C9 games with qwerty, as well as Harry Potter Mafia and Ace Attorney Mafia. I'm not going to go back further than that because I think that's enough.

Sorry, I didn't realize turning 18 could make you forget nearly everything.




Lance you need to post more than a couple lines that aren't trying to ask questions while at the same time not stepping on anyone's toes. You have until tomorrow morning to say something substantial or else my vote changes.



He's barely making any waves. Del and Levian are both suspicious but if either (or both) is scum he'll trip up big time sooner or later, the way they're going. Lance is, like those two, suspicious to me, but also an unknown quantity because he has yet to play his hand. If he's innocent, and he shows more of himself (if you know what I mean) then hey maybe I'll get a better feel for him and unvote him. You never know.
I find it funny that you go after me for inactivity, yet DD has posted about has much as me. Could be wrong about this.

Anyway, I'm suspicious of DD for a few reasons.


Sir Lancealot, I think maybe you need to be a little more contributive, Del has a valid point with the 'Tiptoeing' thing.


This sound preety dodgy as I cannot see any contribution from you.


I'm voting Aeriths Knight, because she is posting a lot (Mafia are usually keen), and I don't need smart ass comments about me being bad every post. >_>
##Vote: Aeriths Knight

You voted AK out of anger.


Oh, thanks. xD
Well anyway, now I'm in a tight spot and I don't want to risk anything.
##Unvote: Aeriths Knight
##Vote: Sagensyg
I didn't want to do this, but it's better to kill someone who is possibly innocent then someone who (I know) is innocent.
Why don't you want to risk anything? Maybe because your mafia.

demondude
10-07-2008, 09:36 PM
I have an equal amount of posts, but I have given my opinions and contributed more then you have, and how come you didn't warn us about your party beforehand? =)

And the risk thing? That was on an occasion where I had equal votes to Sage, I had to vote for him to survive, even though I didn't want to. ; )

Sir Lancealot
10-07-2008, 09:40 PM
I never said conclusive, which is why I didn't vote for you. I didn't warn you about my party because I was hoping to post this when I got back.

Del Murder
10-07-2008, 09:50 PM
I checked the thread earlier today but didn't have time to post. I started writing a post and then checked again so if there is a time discrepancy between then and now that is why.

Of course I'm suspicious of Psychotic as always. But I have not gone after him yet for many reasons. First of all I do feel bad about what happened last time when I immediately targeted on day 1 because he is who he is. He was upset by it, and I don't know if it was his mafianess talking, but if it was it worked because I felt bad afterward. So unless I saw something strange out of him on day 1 (and him bickering with Lekana isn't all that strange to me), I was going to lay off of him for the time being.

Now, I didn't call for his investigation like I did last time, but I think the 'investigate Psychotic immediately' mentality is still out there. There is only a 50% chance of having a cop, I know, but if there is one I'd say Psychotic is the most likely candidate to be investigated. Hell that's who I'd pick. No cop has spoken up yet so no guilty verdict was obtained (or there is no cop). That doesn't clear Psy by a long shot but that is enough to put him aside for those who I see multiple mafia red flags.

Finally, the epic battle Psy and I had last time left me drained, and I'm really hoping he's town this time so I don't have to go through all that again. But I will if I have to! Psy is most dangerous when people are blindly following him. I don't think that's happening yet. AK (EDIT: and later DD) is voting with him right now but in his (EDIT: their) defense Lancey does look like a prime scumbag at the moment.

One thing Psychotic is doing is making strategic posts to see how people react to them. Rather than trying to play people off of each other like you are doing. You have explained why you are doing that but a mafia can explain anything. It's up to us to buy into it. To me your behavior is more likely for a mafia who has his back cornered than a town who is trying to find mafia. It's hard to say that Psycho's suspicions of myself, you (Lev), and Lance reek of mafia. Who wouldn't be weary of us as good players? And Lance is acting like a stooge right now. Now that he is in the lead voteswise so (hopefully) we will see something more out of him.

After I wrote most of the above Psychotic posted this:

Rest assured, townsfolk, my #1 suspect will have my vote before the day ends.
How convienent for you. In a small game with votes spread out here comes Psychotic at the end of the day to swoop in and post his REAL thoughts. Then you can just vote for whoever isn't on your mafia team and make it through another day. At the time you posted that you were the 'deciding' vote (on AK, Lev, or Lance). Now that Lance has 3 I don't care as much but it is something worth noting.

During the day (America day not mafia day) I only have time for one post so bear with me here. Towards Lekana: I'm not saying you have bad reasoning for going after AK, but there's always something you can find on AK. He's a very easy target (for either mafia or newbie players) because once pushed he just goes into crazy defense mode and makes even more mistakes. He does that whether he's town or mafia. Admitedly this makes him harder to peg but in this game he's actually one of my least suspected people. For people 'playing it safe' you seem to be one to do quite a bit of that. A mafia Lekana would indeed be smart enough to stay out of the Del-Lev-Psy love triangle and focus on an easy target like AK.

@AK: Right now I don't really have anything on you besides your usual overly-defensiveness. One thing you did say is that you suspect me because of my posts against Psychotic. But until this one I haven't really said that much about Psychotic. Also if you are mafia then who is your partner? Probably either Lev, Psy, or Lekana. I doubt an AK-DD or AK-Lance combo would have gone after qwerty in night 1. Just doesn't fit for me.

@Lance: No response to anything. No real insight on anything. Maybe this is a time zone thing or maybe the guy is shaking in his boots right now. Or maybe he is just bad at this. I'd change my vote but I don't want others to feel too comfortable. Plus I still think Levian is scum.

@DD: Man with all this other stuff going on I kind of forgot about him. He's kind of like a little bug that just flies around and you swat at to shoo away but you're too lazy to really go after him. Lance is an easy vote at this point but that could just be because he is actually mafia.

My final thoughts right now: I think Levian is the big fish and Lance is the little fish. That's why I keep my vote where it is. I'm perfectly fine with seeing Lance go today.

Since I don't think there will be another extension I'll try to check in before day end to see what's going down.

<b>EDIT:</b> Gods dammit, Lance just posted. I don't have time to edit my thoughts into the above post, but I'll try to have a response later.

demondude
10-07-2008, 09:56 PM
The little bug insult hurt Del, if you read my posts there are actually some valid opinions.

@Sir L: But we were telling you off before you went, I though you'd be more careful in that regard.

Sir Lancealot
10-07-2008, 10:09 PM
@Sir L: But we were telling you off before you went, I though you'd be more careful in that regard.
Only Psychotic and Del were when I left, and Psys had being there a long time.

Sir Lancealot
10-07-2008, 10:24 PM
Well, I'm the only one not voting, so
##Vote: Demon Dude
I'm voting you because I doubt you're are going to get lynched, and so I don't have the vote against me for not voting. Yeah, I don't think your scum.

Psychotic
10-07-2008, 10:31 PM
How convienent for you. In a small game with votes spread out here comes Psychotic at the end of the day to swoop in and post his REAL thoughts. Then you can just vote for whoever isn't on your mafia team and make it through another day. At the time you posted that you were the 'deciding' vote (on AK, Lev, or Lance).I have posted my REAL thoughts and have all along. It's just the vote that I have been holding back, and I feel justified in doing so to be honest with Levian's little song and dance but more on that in a minute. With regards to "AK, Lev, or Lance", I have never planned on voting for AK at all and he's never been at the top of my list of suspects. Lance or Lev? Well now...


I find it funny that you go after me for inactivity, yet DD has posted about has much as me. Could be wrong about this.I haven't gone after you for inactivity at all; you've posted plenty of times. The problem is, you hadn't posted content. As for Demon Dude, I told him to post more content too actually!

However, your longish post has satisfied me for now. At the end of the day, if you don't put your thoughts out there and just ask simple questions and make low-content posts, it harms the town and it's gonna harm you.

##unvote

I don't know what the hell Levian has been up to. It's like he wants me to vote for him. If someone jumps up and down saying "vote for me! if you don't vote for me you're suspicious!" well, how do you react to someone doing that? iI a suspicious character tells you to do something, it's probably not a good idea to go right ahead and do it. The way I see it, there has to be more to it because Levian wouldn't act like that normally. He wouldn't give himself away this much, and he wouldn't repeatedly try to squeeze my vote out of me. Something has to be up and I don't know what it is. So I held off because I thought it could be some crazy mafia genius qwerty-esque trap designed to screw me over and I needed to think about what to do next.

And I have thought about it. It's time to spring the trap. Let's see what you've got for me.

##vote: Levian

Freya
10-07-2008, 10:33 PM
@ Lance

Wait a second. You're voting him even though you know he's not scum and you're sure he wont get lynched?

So because you can't take the time to look at the thread to vote so to rather not get a vote against yourself you just put a random vote out. This is only day 2 but we've discussed a lot today. Not like anyone doesn't stand out at all. You just vote.

That's just... :confused: Seems very very odd

Goldenboko
10-07-2008, 10:34 PM
Oh my tied again!



Official Votecount
Sir Lancealot (2) - Demon Dude, Aerith's Knight
Levian (2) - Del Murder, Psychotic
Aerith's Knight (1) - Lekana
Psychotic (1) - Levian
Demon Dude (1) - Sir Lancealot

demondude
10-07-2008, 10:36 PM
I agree with Lekana, that post does not help your cause. (Which is not over yet)!

Freya
10-07-2008, 10:37 PM
How much time do we have left?

Sir Lancealot
10-07-2008, 10:42 PM
I haven't gone after you for inactivity at all; you've posted plenty of times. The problem is, you hadn't posted content.
Same thing to me.

As for Demon Dude, I told him to post more content too actually!I must have missed that.



@ Lance

Wait a second. You're voting him even though you know he's not scum and you're sure he wont get lynched?

So because you can't take the time to look at the thread to vote so to rather not get a vote against yourself you just put a random vote out. This is only day 2 but we've discussed a lot today. Not like anyone doesn't stand out at all. You just vote.

That's just... :confused: Seems very very odd
I'm doing it so I don't have the 'not voting vote' against me.

demondude
10-07-2008, 10:44 PM
But if you read the thread and pick up some little snippets of info, you can come to a conclusion, I'm sure.

Sir Lancealot
10-07-2008, 10:45 PM
Which I'm planning to do.

Levian
10-07-2008, 11:08 PM
So I held off because I thought it could be some crazy mafia genius qwerty-esque trap designed to screw me over and I needed to think about what to do next.

And I have thought about it. It's time to spring the trap. Let's see what you've got for me.

##vote: Levian

What's happening? A dyslexic unicorn will organize your refrigerator magnets in what he thinks is alphabetical order.

You voted for me too late, I'm already way suspicious of you. Which may not hurt so much today, but maybe in the morning.

Goldenboko
10-07-2008, 11:11 PM
How much time do we have left?

3 hours and 50 minutes.

Freya
10-08-2008, 01:02 AM
##Unvote: AK

Well honestly, AK I was hoping would incriminate himself more. But he hasn't so I can take my vote off him now.

The cases against Levy are very logical. I have to agree with your change in tactics thing being suspicious. Levy is a good player, i've partnered with him and all :3 Sure we died right away but he figured out what role exactly we had. I hold a lot of respect for that man. BUT you guys are making good cases about him.

I'd go on more but I'm gonna be late for my media class and I don't want to leave this day on a tie so it's extended D:

##Vote: Levy

Levian
10-08-2008, 01:11 AM
2 hours and 50 minutes left.

Well, if I die, then at least you will hopefully learn something from my death, and who to look at. Sure, people are going to pass their vote on me as an honest mistake, like "Oh dat silleh Levian, he was a raving lunatic, anyone could've voted for him"

Lekana should be looked at as a possible partner of Lancelot.

What sucks for you guys is that if Psy and/or Del are innocent, they won't be killed off tonight xD So you'll have to analyze those guys too. Have fun with that. :laugh:

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 01:27 AM
Did not see this when I was making my post.
Well, I'm the only one not voting, so
##Vote: Demon Dude
I'm voting you because I doubt you're are going to get lynched, and so I don't have the vote against me for not voting. Yeah, I don't think your scum.What the heck? :laugh:

Also: Re: Lekana on Levian. She's been on Lancealot and AK a lot and then votes Lev out of nowhere to send him to Hell? Not liking that at all.

I really don't know what to make of all of this so I'm going for a tie so I can have more time to think it through. Something's out of place, I don't know what it is.

If Levian does get lynched and flips townie though, consider me as an equal to those who did vote for him. You can shut down any "PSY KNOWS LEV IS TOWN SO HE BACKED OFF!" theories now, I am perfectly aware of how doing this makes me look - suspicious - and I don't care, really, because doing what I think is best, ie, getting more time, outweighs making myself look good to the town.

If he flips scum though, crucify me. I deserve it.

##unvote
##vote: Lekana

Sir Lancealot
10-08-2008, 01:31 AM
I've been rereading Levians post, and te cases against Levian, and can see peoples points about him.
##Unvote: Demon Dude
##Vote: Levian

Levian
10-08-2008, 01:32 AM
I hate to admit it, but Lekana and Lancelot could look like a likely couple.

That and it'd be cool to see that filthy whore get back from "media class" only to find herself HANGED. :mad2:

edit: and I'm back at 3 votes yay!

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 01:32 AM
If I was Lancealot's scum partner I'd be ripping him a new one by now :laugh: Ironically, by acting erratically, he's convincing me more of his town status.

Sir Lancealot
10-08-2008, 01:34 AM
Dammit, why did you have to post that. Now I'm confused.

Levian
10-08-2008, 01:37 AM
Right now I'm wondering whether I should vote for Lekana or Lancelot.

I'm also wondering whether I should eat apples or chicken.

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 01:41 AM
Mind you, now I am not so keen on nailing Lekana to the wall if she's not going to be here for the deadline in case she has a claim to make. Can we keep it at the tiebreaker until she comes back please?

Levian
10-08-2008, 01:53 AM
Lekana says:
i’m about to vote you
Lekana says:
btw
Lekana says:
caus ei have to go to class
Lekana says:
xD
Lekana says:
and wont be back in time
Horse says:
YOU smurfER

Eh, I want to vote Del again. D:

Goldenboko
10-08-2008, 01:54 AM
As long as there is a tie I won't end the day. The rest is up to you.

Aerith's Knight
10-08-2008, 01:54 AM
However much accusations she brings, I didn't think Lekana a mafia at all, at least not until that sudden Lev vote.

I actually get the part of trying to make me slip up, but well.. if there isn't anything to slip up about, it gets hard to make me now, doesn't it?

I'd still not vote for her, but I'd like to see more of her reasoning before the lynch though. She just doesn't give off a scum vibe.. more of a.. wench *cough* vibe.

I actually applaud Psy for making it a tie until the time comes to vote. Chainlynches are never the answer in this small a game.

However, I'm off to bed, so I won't see the results until tomorrow.

Good night, and good luck!

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 02:03 AM
I think Lev has one more vote than Lance, so

##unvote
##vote: Sir Lancealot

nothin' against you, but I want Lekana to speak up as to why she has been going after "soft" targets like AK and Lance all day but when push came to shove, she piled in a vote onto Levian out of nowhere to condemn him.

Del Murder
10-08-2008, 02:03 AM
Wow a lot happens when I'm gone. Stupid Europeans.

I'm kind of disappointed in Levian's post prior to his vote of Lekana. I fully expected him to go down in a blaze of mafia glory, but it sounded a lot like he's giving up. Also why doesn't he save his skin and vote for Lance? I guess there's still time and if they are partners it would be worth it to make a last ditch effort for Lekana. And this could all be part of some plan since his goose certainly isn't cooked yet.

Lance is confusing the crap out of me. If he's mafia and Levian's mafia, why would he vote for him? I know mafia got to save themselves but it's kind of weird the way he's going about it. If he's mafia with another person then it does make sense to go with the majority to save yourself. And if he's town and he legitamately thinks Levian is mafia, then I guess the vote makes sense too. There is also the option that he is just a weirdo and going with the majority (without voting for himelf of course).

If we are going to leave it at a tie for Lekana then I'm going home. Maybe it will still be going on when I get there. I'm all for hearing more from Lekana because I can't really read her at the moment. This stuff on her is coming up at the last minute and I don't really have time to process it right now.

You people are indecisive as hell though.

Goldenboko
10-08-2008, 02:14 AM
47 Minutes Left, pretty sure this votecount is right.


Official Votecount
Sir Lancealot (3) - Demon Dude, Aerith's Knight, Psychotic
Levian (3) - Del Murder, Lekana, Sir Lancealot
Psychotic (1) - Levian

Levian
10-08-2008, 02:17 AM
If you must know, I hadn't given up. I was planning to force a tie few minutes before the time limit was up. The reason I didn't vote for Sir Lancelot was because then he'd vote me back and it wouldn't be possible to force a tie.

If Lancelot is a mafia, and teamed up with someone else, then I think that other person is Lekana. She's the only one, outside me, who hasn't had a vote on him at one point. Likewise the only two people Lancelot hasn't voted for is Lekana and Psychotic. But what the fuck, I don't know. I think Lekana and Del Murder sounds like a lovely couple too.

Levian
10-08-2008, 02:20 AM
I didn't vote for myself, but Lancelot did vote for me. Other than that, your tally is correct.

##Vote: Sir Lancealot

Well, I'm not going to let an innocent citizen die. And you all suck for making me vote for Lancealot on his birthday. You guys are dead inside.

Sir Lancealot
10-08-2008, 02:40 AM
My birthday was yesterday, but time zones mean that today is the
7th where you are.

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 02:50 AM
##unvote

eat this.

It's tied and tied is where it'll be, damnit!

Levian
10-08-2008, 02:56 AM
ooh look at me I'm Psychotic, I'm French.

You'll be the one who have to break the tie anyway, so you're not getting out of it that easy.

Freya
10-08-2008, 02:59 AM
OK OK i'm out of class sorry! I'm back! give me a second and i'll get to reading what you all posted :O

EDIT: also If i unvote levy now, lance is doomed.

Levian
10-08-2008, 03:00 AM
There's 1 or 2 minutes left I think.

Let's get this thing over with

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 03:00 AM
And here's our guest of honour.

Goldenboko
10-08-2008, 03:00 AM
Deadline just about passed.

Here's y'all's votecount



Official Votecount
Sir Lancealot (3) - Demon Dude, Aerith's Knight, Levian
Levian (3) - Del Murder, Lekana, Sir Lancealot


Not Voting
Psychotic

Basically either...

A. First person to switch their vote from Sir Lancealot to Levian (or vice versa).

OR

B. Psychotic chooses who he wishes to vote for.

Decides today's lynch. Good luck all!

Freya
10-08-2008, 03:03 AM
OK my reason why I stopped my AK push. He wasn't doing anything scummy! So I decided to drop that. I didn't want a vote attached to someone if they weren't acting so scummy and could possibly get me killed D: (by connections that is)

Why i voted Lev, I was short pressed for time and I didn't want to leave and go to class when I hadn't had a vote. Out of the two possible "scum" presented, levy seemed the scummiest. Lance seems more like a lazy mafia player... which he tends to be in a lot of games, if i recall right.

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 03:04 AM
The problem is I think they could well be both town.

I will do what I must though, and now it's too late to lynch Lekana anyway, so may as well hear her out before doing the deed.

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 03:06 AM
And there she goes. I will ponder on all of this.

Ten minutes, and then I pull the trigger. If either Levian or Lancealot has anything important to say, now is the time.

Freya
10-08-2008, 03:06 AM
Ask me a question and I shall reply

Levian
10-08-2008, 03:07 AM
Seeing as Lekana can't choose to kill me, maybe consider Del Murder and Lekana as mafia buddies for tomorrow. and I don't really know what's up with Psychotic. Could be either way really.

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 03:08 AM
Ask me a question and I shall replyTomorrow. Too late to go Spanish Inquisition on your ass today; you can't be lynched.

Your vote on Levian is what made me think he could well be town though and what you've said has, so far, only confirmed that. So thanks.

Freya
10-08-2008, 03:11 AM
Bah screw you paul i'm falling into your plans >:/ I just voted to have a vote since I didn't think I had time to come back. Why does that make me scummy?

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 03:12 AM
Because you had been on Lance and AK all day and then suddenly POW, as soon as Lev is under threat you jump on him. All the more amusing considering your preachings of "Don't blindly follow Paul!" really.

As it stands, though, today is about him, and not about you.

Levian
10-08-2008, 03:13 AM
*taps fingers*

Levian
10-08-2008, 03:14 AM
We're both town so it doesn't matter what you guys do anyway.

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 03:17 AM
I think Levian has contributed more to the town, with high content posts and such, as opposed to Lancealot, so when it comes down to it, I think Lev is the one who gets a second chance.

Sorry that it had to come down to this, Lance.

##vote: Sir Lancealot

Freya
10-08-2008, 03:18 AM
##UNVOTE: LEVY
##Vote: Lance

Yeah go suck one paul.

Lance seems scummy, he has a freaking mafia quote in his sig. He knows what's going on and by acting as if he doesn't well that just doesn't sit right. Levy seems to be more town now that i look at his recent replies. THERE

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 03:19 AM
too slow, nubsauce.
he has a freaking mafia quote in his sig....

Levian
10-08-2008, 03:19 AM
Oh well!

Please be a mafia, lancelot.

edit: oh lolz at last minute drama :D

Goldenboko
10-08-2008, 03:21 AM
Alright, seeing as you both posted at the same time, I guess I'll give ya both votes on Lance =D. Cross your fingers, back with Flavah.

Levian
10-08-2008, 03:22 AM
type faster

Del Murder
10-08-2008, 03:22 AM
Putting the power in Psychotic's hands? Screw that. What are we looking at here? Either Lev and Lance or Lekana and Lance. What's the common denominator in all of this?

<b>##Unvote: Levian
##Vote: Sir Lance</b>

Suck on that.

Levian
10-08-2008, 03:22 AM
xD

Del Murder
10-08-2008, 03:23 AM
Oh gods dammit I'm slow.

Freya
10-08-2008, 03:23 AM
LOL

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 03:25 AM
You know what, let's all just riddle Lance's body with bullets.

Goldenboko
10-08-2008, 03:30 AM
The town gathered, this time, there where no stragglers. They argued, they bickered, they fought, I'm pretty sure there was some blackmail sex and bullying too. Eventually the town had found their martyrs offenders.

It came down to Levian, and Sir Lancealot. Both where a bit. Odd. Lance was quiet. Very quiet, he was an introvert to say the least and didn't add much.

Levian was casual. Too casual. How was he so calm? They argued over which would go. It was almost night, and they where still in a stalemate, so they rigged both up to nooses and had a lever behind each, pulling it, would ring the man in front to his deathbed. Then simultaneously Lekana and Psychotic grabbed for the same lever and pulled. Sir Lancealot fell through his trap door, his neck snapped and he wriggled in suffocation.

Sir Lancealot was a Mafian Goon. Played by Sir Lancealot!

Night 2 begins now. Good luck lone mafian.

(Someone close the thread and add some flavor to the title).

Goldenboko
10-08-2008, 09:13 PM
Psychotic had a rough day at work. Mafia's are always springing up, and someone has to put them in their place. He's the enforcer bitches. He was prepared for things like this, and had his house locked tight, no mafian would get him. He sat at home weary over the deaths that had taken place. His brain told him to sleep, but he couldn't help forgetting there was something he had forgotten. Psychotic descended down his stairwell, into his parlor. One of his chairs seemed to have moved a bit, he was aware of his fate.

'Et tu Brute?' he muttered, and a dagger plunged through his back and into his heart. He died instantaneously.

Psychotic was a Vanilla Townie. Played by Psychotic!

Day's gonna be 48 hours again, seeing as I don't suspect the town will be more active then they where yesterday.

demondude
10-08-2008, 09:14 PM
Oh crap, this does not look good for Del and Levian.

Psychotic
10-08-2008, 09:16 PM
Yeah, had to be done after I smooshed Lance which pretty much confirmed me.

Have fun folks. ;)

Goldenboko
10-08-2008, 09:19 PM
For the record Lekana needs to get replaced because the loser she's going to Blizzicon. She asked Joy to do it, I'm going to try to get in touch with Joy ASAP.

Freya
10-08-2008, 09:26 PM
I'm SORRY I'm going to blizzcon and if you hadn't extended days then well we wouldn't have this problem now would we?

Goldenboko
10-08-2008, 09:28 PM
And if y'all had made good use of the 24 hours I initially gave you I wouldn't have had to extend the days.

Aerith's Knight
10-08-2008, 09:31 PM
There is no Blizzcon, Lekana just has the hots for Psy and doesn't want to play anymore now that he's dead. :)

Anyway, We don't know neccesarily that Del or Levian is behind it, it also could've been done to insite just this kind of thinking.

Wouldn't be the first time, either.

demondude
10-08-2008, 09:36 PM
Whoever brought the thing up about Lekana not voting for Sir L may have a point; and I also wonder why GB was so frantic for a replacement?

Freya
10-08-2008, 09:38 PM
Some people hate replacements DD. You wouldn't know how hard it is to get replacements since you know you didn't really host. :/

demondude
10-08-2008, 09:40 PM
STOP BRINGING THAT UP! ;P

Jojee
10-08-2008, 09:58 PM
Uh so like Kaycee made me replace her despite my MAD BUSY-NESS (yay, another reason to procrastinate and fail school/life) and this thread is really damn long and I didn't even know there was a mafia game going on so like.

SUMMARY PLS. Preferably including vote counts from all the previous days and who's good and who's bad.

She told me the two people she suspected most so I'm sticking with that until I can be arsed to figure things out myself. :p

Goldenboko
10-08-2008, 10:01 PM
Whoever brought the thing up about Lekana not voting for Sir L may have a point; and I also wonder why GB was so frantic for a replacement?
Because its not freaking easy to get one all the time you douchebag. :p

And because I know someone's going to complain to me 'oh waaaaaaaaaaa! GeeBee this replacement makes it so I don't know what to think about Lekana!'

Del Murder
10-08-2008, 10:02 PM
Ok I think the Psychotic kill was pretty obvious after what he did yesterday. It would be hard to convince me he was scum after that (but I don't put anything past that guy!). I don't have much time to analyze it more in depth right now but I'll do so later.

Right now my top suspects are Lekana and Levian.

Levian for all the reasons I was going on about yesterday. Nothing much has changed there. Although I did expect some grandstanding at the end of the day but now that I see that it was either him or his mafia buddy that makes a little more sense.

Lekana has been avoiding the major 'battles' for most of the game. Psychotic said she had been acting 'weird' (although, not suspicious). Finally her last minute switch to Levian came out of nowhere, and looks a lot like trying to save her mafia buddy. I can't really say her last last minute switch to Lance looks very scumish without looking like a hypocrite. It could be that she was getting as fed up as I was with dragging this thing out and putting all the power (once again) in the hands of Best Mafia Player Ever.

DD and AK had early votes on Lance which is why I don't focus on them at the moment. They aren't cleared by a long shot though.

Ok that's all I have for now.

btw Blizzcon does sound made up.

Jojee
10-08-2008, 10:02 PM
Sexiness? Oh yes, I'm "Lekana" now! :p

*boobs*

Jojee
10-08-2008, 10:07 PM
I'm gonna go catch a bus. xP
Seriously, who's still alive? And someone not lazy (unlike myself) please give me the vote counts from previous days?

Aerith's Knight
10-08-2008, 10:14 PM
Day 1


Why would I PM an icky girl like you?

Official Votecount:

Levian (2) - qwertyxsora, Sir Lancealot

Sagensyg (2) - Del Murder, Lekana

Demon Dude (1) - Aerith's Knight

Lekana (1) - Psychotic

qwertyxsora (1)- Levian

Not Voting

Sagensyg, Demon Dude


Day 2




Official Votecount

Sir Lancealot (7) - Demon Dude, Aerith's Knight, Levian, Psychotic, Del Murder, Lekana

Levian (1) - Del Murder, Lekana, Sir Lancealot



Del Murder was too late to switch his vote though. So you can imagine his vote for Levian if you'd like. xD

Aerith's Knight
10-08-2008, 10:19 PM
Looking at these votecounts, Levian seems in the clear to me.

But this could also be a very very veeeeery clever plot.

It is unlikely, as Levian was almost voted in a tie between him and Lancelot.

I give it an 70% chance of Levian being townie, 30% chance they got together and made a deal on day 2 to vote for each other, so that at least one of them would be in the clear.

Thoughts?

Jojee
10-08-2008, 10:27 PM
Oh, it's only been two days. Christ, you people post a lot -_- For some reason I thought there had been 3 already. xD (Then again maybe I should read the title)

Are those vote counts in order of who voted first?

Levian
10-08-2008, 10:28 PM
Why am I not mafia?

Sir Lancealot has voted for me twice before. Not just late Day 2 to save his own skin, but 20 minutes before Day 1 ended, which put me in a shared lead. The voting looked like this before Sir Lancelot placed his vote:

Sagensyg (2) - Del Murder
Demon Dude (2) - Aerith's Knight
Lekana (2) - Psychotic
Levian (1) - , qwertyxsora
qwertyxsora (1) - Levian
Sir Lancealot(1) - Nobody

Then he voted for me and put me in a tied three way. And the only reason DD and Sagensyg were ahead of me was because they weren't holding a vote at the time, so they were voting for themselves. This was 20 minutes before the time limit was up. If Sagensyg and DD had showed up within those last 20 minutes and voted for anyone, then I'd be the one on the chopping block. Does it seem likely that Lancealot would sacrifice his mafia buddy so early on when there were two other candidates he could've easily killed instead?

And that's why I'm not mafia!

Picking out the last mafia might be very easy for me now. There are only two people that Lancealot has never voted for throughout this game. One of them is Psychotic and the other is Lekana. I think maybe the simplest solution happens to be the right solution in this case. So my eyes are on Lekana/Joyee, and is also probably where my vote will be.

Aerith's Knight
10-08-2008, 10:32 PM
Also, if there is a doctor in this game(which I assume is true), I suggest that you start protecting yourself.

Only if it is almost certain someone would be killed(cop roleclaims, for example), would I suggest to protect him.

My reasoning? Simple, there is one mafia left.

That means he would have to kill us down to two persons to win.

Now looking at how many people we have left(5), we have 2, maybe 3 lynches left.

Simply by picking at random and start lynching off people, the odds of us finding him are still (1/5 + 1/3 = 8/15) a little over 40%.

Now I assume everyone here has half a brain(at least!), seeing as we did catch Sir Scumbag last night.

That, with the chance they pick a protected at night, gives us a game we shouldn't lose.

Before you all start shouting: ZOMG, BUT I WANTED TO BE PROTECTED, YOU MUST BE MAFIA!

A doctor protecting himself is literally a bulletproof townie. I wouldn't mind having one of those, certainly with only one mafia left.

Of course, as I said, if someone is really obvious to get lynched, it would be smart to protect that person!

edit: 5 people, not six.

Levian
10-08-2008, 10:37 PM
Yer, I didn't see your post until after I had posted mine

Aerith's Knight
10-08-2008, 10:44 PM
So you begin a day with a post explaining why you are not mafia?

Very scummy thing to do, really.

Jojee
10-08-2008, 10:47 PM
I prettified it.

<b>Day 1</b>
Levian (2) - <font color="limegreen"><s>qwertyxsora</s></font>, <font color="red"><s>Sir Lacealot</s></font>
<font color="limegreen"><s>Sagensyg</s></font> - Del Murder, Lekana
Demon Dude (1) - Aerith's Knight
Lekana (1) - <font color="limegreen"><s>Psychotic</s></font>
<font color="limegreen"><s>qwertysora</s></font> - Levian
Not Voting - <s>Sagensyg</s>, Demon Dude

From day 1 alone, I'd say Lev is more clear than the rest of you lot; no reason for mafia to sacrifice so early. Who else is alive? Demon Dude, Del, and AK. Lekana had narrowed it down to Del or AK and I'll be analyzing some shiet or something whenever I catch up enough to. Also I'll have to go skim the thread anyway, because I can't really analyze day 2 as you all bandwagoned on the votes. :p

Lev honey (the Old Manus thing confused the hell out of me -_-), give Lekana some more credit. If she were mafia with Lance, I'm sure she would have had him stage something. Don't diss my woman.~

Edit: We have 6 people left? I only counted 5 o.o Who's the 6th?

Levian
10-08-2008, 11:17 PM
So you begin a day with a post explaining why you are not mafia?

Very scummy thing to do, really.

Well, I almost died yesterday, so y'know.

and yeah, we're just 5 Jojeepoo

Aerith's Knight
10-08-2008, 11:25 PM
Oh my bad, I must've counted Manus and Levian.

Jojee
10-08-2008, 11:36 PM
Skimmed the thread. Not very carefully, admittingly, but there was a lot. Votes speak louder than words anyway and are always a good place to start.

And yeah, GB didn't have it all in order, but now I think I do.

<b>Day 2</b>
<font color="red"><s>Sir Lancealot</s></font> (7) - Aerith's Knight, Demon Dude, Levian, <font color="limegreen"><s>Psychotic</s></font>, Lekana, Del Murder
Levian (1) - <font color="red"><s>Sir Lancealot</s></font>

What does this tell me? I think Lekana's suspicion on AK is a little more unfounded than her other suspicion, which I will get to later. Psy was actually the first to vote Lance, and AK followed Psy. So if I'm not wrong, there were then 2 votes on Lance, putting him in the lead.

Demon Dude then voted for Lance next - bandwagoning mafia? Perhaps, but at this point mafia still could have gotten people to change their mind. Would mafia jump on that bandwagon so quickly? If they were smart, then perhaps. But, honestly I've never actually seen DD play seriously before so I'm a bit lost on that. I'm not sure how Lekana deduced that he isn't a suspect, because I haven't deduced that, but right now my main suspect isn't DD.

I completely agree with her suspicion on Del, though. His previous day posts aside, this is the one that really gets me.


Right now my top suspects are Lekana and Levian.

Did he just completely miss that Lance was mafia and almost got Lev killed? That's a pretty big point, and Del seems like he'd be a little more perceptive than that. Nothing's changed since yesterday? I think Lance turning out mafia would be a pretty big change. :3 True, Lev <i>could</i> still be mafia - although unlikely in my eyes, but then they would have had to pull off a <i>pretty</i> damn good set up on day 1 and then I'd laugh/cry. I'd say the evidence with Lance turning out mafia points to Lev not being mafia, yet Lev is still one of Del's top suspects.

Someone tell me if I missed something completely obvious and just look stupid now. :p

Del Murder
10-09-2008, 03:30 AM
Levian actually isn't one of my top suspects. My last post was an attempt at a trap. I wanted to see, if I still suspected Levian, if any one jumped on his case. I don't really suspect Levian at all any more, but for a different reason than what has been put forth today. In retrospect I wish I had seen that before, as it would have changed things.

I made a critical oversight. I failed to notice how Lance voted on day 1 and that he voted Levian before all the tie business. Lance does slip through the cracks after all. I was so sure about Lev being mafia and that their actions were the result of them both being put up against a corner that I let those things slip passed me. Sometimes when I see the evidence in front of me (what the hell did you think you were doing, Lev?), I get so narrow minded that I miss certain details. I have little free time during the week and I don't want to spend it combing through this thread.

My plan was to see if Jojee/Lekana jumped on Lev after my post, as she was quick to do so yesterday. But with the evidence that has been presented it would have been foolish for her to do so at this point. I still think she is the mafia though, but with the replacement it will be harder for her to slip up. I'm sure Lekana really had to leave and that's why she got a replacement, but it is pretty convenient that her past actions can no longer be explained.

Del Murder
10-09-2008, 06:27 AM
I must be the only person in my time zone. Since I can't be around during the day when most of you guys will get back to this I'll post some of my thoughts.

I think Lekana/Jojee is the last mafia. First on Lekana. Yesterday she went after AK. I didn't think her case was very strong. As I have said before AK is an easy target in mafia based on the way he plays. She didn't have much to say towards the rest of us, saying something like 'you guys made most of the points so I don't need to repeat them'. And after one big post about AK I don't think she said much of anything after that. Dodging the issues while the 'Big 3' duked it out. Very convenient for her.

In fact, that's how I would describe her game. Convenient. If Levian is playing casual she is playing convenient. Her vote against Levian after saying very little at all about him was fishy and conveniently timed. At that point him and Lance were well into being neck and neck. And then she comes back from wherever she was to conveniently vote for Lance without saying much about him all day. And what she did say about him can easily be interpreted as staged.

Here's a quote which is an example of something I noticed after going back through the 'overtime' at the end of the day.


Why i voted Lev, I was short pressed for time and I didn't want to leave and go to class when I hadn't had a vote. Out of the two possible "scum" presented, levy seemed the scummiest. Lance seems more like a lazy mafia player... which he tends to be in a lot of games, if i recall right.
A couple posts later Psychotic says this:

Your vote on Levian is what made me think he could well be town though and what you've said has, so far, only confirmed that. So thanks.
At this point it looks likely where Psychotic's vote will lie. It is then that she changes her tune and ends up on Lance at the same time Psychotic does.

Psychotic said at the start she was acting weird. Levian voted for her in day 1 to get a rise out of her but with only one vote I wouldn't think that would faze a veteran player such as herself. These are not major points on their own but along with everything else they are worth noting.

Now I will try and say something about Jojee, which is hard with very few posts. Jojee immediately comes in and asks for a recap, including votecounts. Now, I could understand why someone would not want to read through the whole thread, but votecounts are easy enough to find. After that she takes the counts and adds colors to them. It seems to me she is trying her best to 'look helpful' and 'ask the right questions' without actually being helpful. This is a tactic commonly used by mafia, and being a replacement player, was really her best play.


Lev honey (the Old Manus thing confused the hell out of me -_-), give Lekana some more credit. If she were mafia with Lance, I'm sure she would have had him stage something. Don't diss my woman.~
A classic strategy, and one I had considered using if I ever get to be mafia. Basically, it's 'I'm not mafia because I would have played it a different way'. Except, she is cleverly using her partner as the fall guy. Come on guys! Lekana is too smart to allow Lance to act the way he did! Please.

Who knows when I can come back to this thread so I'm going to vote now. Voting always gets things going. Still more than a day left so a lot to be said, but for the next few hours, not by me!

<b>##Vote: Jokana.</B>

Jojee
10-09-2008, 07:12 AM
That's very convenient. Someone calls you out on anything and you can say "It's a trap!" I re-read Day 2 again. I'll go back and re-read Day 1 later, but that usually tends to contain a lot of spam. My conclusion is that Del is still the most likely mafia suspect, partly through process of elimination, which I will get to later. ^_^

I'm not quite buying the trap claim. First, did you really think that either Lekana or myself would ignore all evidence of Lance going after Levian and just agree with you no matter what role we/I have? Once again, people need to give some more credit; I think you acknowledged that Lekana is a good mafia player, and I don't actually think that you'd believe I'd fall into a "trap" like that either. Second,


Putting the power in Psychotic's hands? Screw that. What are we looking at here? Either Lev and Lance or Lekana and Lance. What's the common denominator in all of this?

<b>##Unvote: Levian
##Vote: Sir Lance</b>

Suck on that.
It seems like you knew he was mafia even before he was lynched. It seems like you were setting yourself up to go for Levian and myself today. You really narrowed it down to a "Lev + Lance" or "Lekana + Lance" team?



Speaking of pre-empting, Del seemed to do a lot of that.


I can't really say her last last minute switch to Lance looks very scumish without looking like a hypocrite. Pre-empting that someone will call you out on that? That's okay, I can say it: it does look scummish. Your vote looks more scummish than Lekana's, as yours was a full five minutes after Psy's whereas Lekana's post was a minute after and it looks like it'd take her more than a minute to type that, but y'know what, both are scummy. Lucky me, I know I'm not scum, so I just have to focus on you. :p Now only if others knew :p

I didn't read Day 1 carefully yet, but Psy seemed to think the same.


Del Murder is playing it a bit too safe for my liking. Demon Dude and Sagensyg were the safest votes he could have made and he made them. And today he's posted a "whoops guys sorry...but not really, he deserved it!" as an ooc before anybody's even called him out on lynching a townie - a bit eager to defend himself.



Also, Del's vehemently going after Levian should ring a few alarm bells. I don't think his case against Levian was even very good at all, although apparently a lot of people followed it. I could be biased by the new evidence presented upon Lance's death, but from my skimming I really didn't notice Levian pitting Psy and Lekana against each other at all.



Now, why does Del find Lekana suspicious? Well first he says she's been avoiding all the 'major' battles; sure seems to me like she put herself in enough of them. Second, he says it's because Psychotic found her 'weird' but not suspicious. Um, okay, not really a point. Finally, because she made a case against AK all day and then voted for Levian. That one I can actually see, and I can't speak for her 100%, but if you read her posts I'm sure you can deduce her thought process.


Actually AK, While Psy, Del, or Levy work on getting someone to slip up, I'm working on getting people like you to slip up. It's similar to not speed lynch, the more you talk the more you can get slip ups.

Sure I could focus my attention on say Del, but Levy and Paul are already making mention of Del, i'd be rehashing the same ideas. There is no point. If their case IS convincing enough I will agree and follow suit with whatever case seems most logical to me. But at this present moment in time I'm focused on JOO.

I very well may change my vote but as of now it's you.
I would have baited AK to see if he slipped up too.


OK my reason why I stopped my AK push. He wasn't doing anything scummy! So I decided to drop that. I didn't want a vote attached to someone if they weren't acting so scummy and could possibly get me killed D: (by connections that is)
And she decided that her baiting didn't work. I concur with this - AK responded well enough for my liking, and coupled with his vote for Lance yesterday I'm willing to think he's more innocent than not.



Demon Dude: I'm starting to see why Lekana eliminated Demon Dude from her suspect list now. Lance tried to make a case against Demon Dude, he voted for Demon Dude, and Demon Dude did place the technically second vote on Lance. It could be a setup, but I'm sorry to say that I don't give either of them enough credit. (Sorry, DD, maybe you'll prove me wrong ^_^) Not to mention it doesn't make sense for DD to go after Lance if he could have been going after Levy instead.

Del regarding Lance: Del did note that Lance was suspicious on Day 2, despite going for Levian. I'm more inclined to believe that this is a setup over believing that Demon Dude/Lance is a setup, however, because I give Del more credit. Also, it's customary to making passing comments of suspicion on your fellow mafia members when you're mafia but not actually vote on it. Since I don't particularly find AK or DD very suspicious, and since there hasn't been any major confirmable mess-ups in the game, I default to Del, because Del is smart enough to stage it well and because I don't particularly suspect Levian.

Not to mention, some of Lance's comments to Del just seem like he was making up stupid reasons to quote Del. xD That could just be Lance not playing very well, but seriously?

Which brings me to elaborate on what I said earlier in response to Levian regarding Lance not going for Psychotic or myself. First, I don't think Lekana really did anything suspicious. Second, why didn't Lance go for Psy? Possibly because he was afraid that it would bring him even more to Psy's attention and that Psy could make a good case against him. The same could be said about Lekana. Third and again, if Lekana were Lance's mafia partners, I'm <i>sure</i> she would have done better on the interaction aspect with Lance. Even if I didn't know my role, I'd think to give Lekana a little more credit.

Preview Edit: Another post by Del. :p Re: Jojee: Oh please, we know the votecount was more for myself than for anyone else's benefit. ;) When you come into a game 234890 pages late (and there are a lot of pages), a vote count would be the most compelling evidence. I can see how that would be "trying to look helpful" if that were all I had, but I backed it up with imo good reasons and what they told me. It seems like you're just searching for reasons to incriminate someone again.

Also, Lekana IS too smart for that. Say what you want, we can let the others decide if it's true.

Honestly, I don't mind dying today, as long as you guys take out Del tomorrow. This took me <i>wayy</i> too long to type up and way too long to read. Even more preferably, take out Del today. If he's mafia, which I'm even more inclined to believe he is from the way he's going after me, then yay. If he's not, I'll feel like a giant dummy douchebag anyway so feel free to lynch me. :p Or better yet, if there's a cop, feel free to investigate the survivor of us tonight should the other one die ^.^

Jojee
10-09-2008, 07:16 AM
Oh yeah.

##Vote: Del Murder

Del Murder
10-09-2008, 07:45 AM
I'm not quite buying the trap claim. First, did you really think that either Lekana or myself would ignore all evidence of Lance going after Levian and just agree with you no matter what role we/I have? Once again, people need to give some more credit; I think you acknowledged that Lekana is a good mafia player, and I don't actually think that you'd believe I'd fall into a "trap" like that either.
I foolishly rushed in to that without carefully rereading the end of that day. So no I didn't expect either of you to ignore that evidence because I wasn't aware of it myself. It was a mistake, probably the second big mistake I made but I think in the end it will work out ok.

Can't reply to everything but here's one last point of interest: She says my case against Levian sucked but many people, including Psychotic, didn't. I was thoroughly convinced Levian was mafia for most of the day. How convenient that now with the gift of hindsight she says that the case wasn't good. Of course it looks bad today! I'd actually like an explanation from Levian on why he acted the way he did all this time. I was equally suspicious of Lance, especially after the post about not playing with qwerty. But Lance was the little fish and I wanted the big fish. If somehow Lekana or AK or someone started gaining votes over Levian I would have switched my vote to Lance earlier, but as it stood in the end I was fine with either outcome.

I don't want to get narrow minded like I have done so in previous games (and this one), but I guess that is too late. My argument for Lekana/Jojee is there. I will post more later if I think there needs to be more, but I will try not to ignore other details that may be helpful. I made a big mistake earlier and I won't be surprised if I get a noose for it, but with the time remaining I will make sure I get as much out of people as I can.

Jojee
10-09-2008, 07:50 AM
If it was a mistake, why did you try to say it was a trap earlier? Contradictions.

Del Murder
10-09-2008, 08:00 AM
The mistake was that I did not take into account evidence that made the trap irrelevant. I'm pretty sure I made that clear, so nice try.

Jojee
10-09-2008, 08:11 AM
Not really, it's not clear at all. Maybe I'm just missing something, so feel free to correct me if I'm arguing on trivialities. With the two current scenarios:

1. You made a mistake and you really wanted people to continue going after Levian because you're scum. It was then brought to your attention Levian/Lance connection and you justified your mistake by saying "It's a trap."

2. It really was a trap, but then the only trap would be to see if anyone followed your lead. That's fine and all, but then you would have had to think that Levian was innocent at that time. If you really missed the Levian/Lance connection, why would you change your mind suddenly from thinking Levian is omg-guilty the day before to being innocent and setting up traps the next day? #2 doesn't make sense.

And re: your edit, I'm too lazy to go look for your big mistake, whatever it is, but feel free if you ever feel like disclosing it. Otherwise, it doesn't help us much if you're just preemptively making replies to future suspicions again. xD

Levian
10-09-2008, 09:16 AM
oh puke. I was hoping I didn't have to read to figure out how to end this madness. I'm in school right now so I'll take a look once I get home.

Levian
10-09-2008, 10:52 AM
Nice posts from both of you, with many interesting posts.

As it stands right now I'm leaning towards Del as a mafia. Although Jojee, the effort you put into this alone almost makes me want to think otherwise xD Although it really doesn't matter seeing as there's still a tomorrow.

I'd like to hear what AK thinks :]

edit:


I'd actually like an explanation from Levian on why he acted the way he did all this time.

People were being boring and wouldn't slip up. I knew that if you or psychotic or both of you were mafia, and if this game didn't have any cops, we'd have big problems finding dirt on you. So I tried to work up as many of you as possible. qwerty, Lekana and you on Day 1, you and Psy on day 2. If I died in the process, I thought so be it, at least there'd be some interesting posts to read. I'm not so sure how well it went though, and I'm not so sure I'll be doing the same in later games. ;)

Aerith's Knight
10-09-2008, 03:06 PM
Just got home from a convention, I'll post in an hour or so. *tired*

demondude
10-09-2008, 05:47 PM
I don't think Jojee is mafia, for a start, why on earth would Lekana make such a detailed post on why Ak would be guilty, when she could be defending Sir lancealot?

And yes I will contradict myself, but after surveying the information and picking things out, I think Aeriths Knight is innocent.
Her biggest problem is the fact that early on, there were definite connections between her and Del, but after Sir L turned out to be mafia, apart from some odd contradictions on personal grudges, there is no real reason to vote for her.

Now Del, you are the second most suspicious in my book, you seem quite erratic at times, while you seem quite safe in other times, I will review your posts, but I'm just not so sure on you.

And Levian, the feud with Psy did not look good for you, I have a strong feeling you killed Psy because he was on your tail, sure he might have died because he was very clever, but ....


I am not really sure, I will read the rest of the thread, and hopefully come back with shiny new evidence!

Jojee
10-09-2008, 06:22 PM
I don't think Jojee is mafia, for a start, why on earth would Lekana make such a detailed post on why Ak would be guilty, when she could be defending Sir lancealot? This doesn't make sense. The me not being mafia part makes perfect sense, but the reasoning doesn't. xD

AK isn't a chick :p


And Levian, the feud with Psy did not look good for you, I have a strong feeling you killed Psy because he was on your tail, sure he might have died because he was very clever, but .... Um what xD

Hey DD, why aren't you claiming random roles this time? :confused:

Yeah, I'm in class. Bored. Waiting for people to post/respond. Yay for laptops for "taking notes." And I agree, why did I spend a billion hours on this yesterday? I neglected my homework for this and now I have an essay due in like 2 hours. -_-

demondude
10-09-2008, 06:25 PM
No, Lekana would be defending Sir L if she was mafia, not AK.

I think you just misread it.

EDIT: Btw guys, I'm the Cult member.

Happy now? xD

Del Murder
10-09-2008, 06:39 PM
Well Lev, you sure had me fooled. I don't know why you would play that way if you were town but I guess that's what you did.

I think I made another mistake by calling out Jojee so early in the day. I should have let her post a little more. Instead by accusing her so early I gave her an easy target to focus on for the rest of the day. In the head to head battle that I think she wants us to have it would be harder for me to win since she is fresh and does not have as much rope to hang herself with, so to speak. But with the time we have left I have no problem going at it with her, giving you all as much information as I can.

She seems so confident in my guilt that she says to lynch me tomorrow if she dies. I disagree with that approach for a town. I do not say lynch her (if I am killed) with 100% confidence. Yes she is my top suspect but I allow the possibility of someone else being mafia. Each day should be looked at in the context of the moment and all the history leading up to that moment.

All I ask regarding Jojee is that you keep in mind that her and Lekana have the same role. Lekana isn't around to answer for past actions but that should not mean we should ignore them.

@DD: What could Lekana possibly use to defend Lancelot? I think her post against AK was to put suspicions on a usually suspicious guy, while avoiding the other issues in play. I question your continued suspicion of Levian even after there has been some good evidence presented that he is town. I would like to know what your thoughts are about what happened in the last hour of day 2 when you weren't around. Finally, what was your motivation at the time you voted Lancelot?

@AK: Lekana suspected you for much of day 2, and according to Jojee you were her other top suspect besides myself. What is your opinion of Jojee's decision to pretty much drop the case against you? Do you think it was a geniune change of opinion, or a realization of a failed strategy? You were the first person to point out Lance's connections (or lack thereof) with Levian, which doesn't make me suspicious of you as much as I am of the other two (DD and LeJojo) at the moment. But that makes it all the more pivotal that we get your opinion on the remaining players.

I apologize for my erratic methods. In FFXI I'm working on the Chains Of Promathia storyline and those missions take up a lot of time. I'm sure Levian understands what I'm talking about.

I'll try and come back to see what's going on later. Enjoy.

demondude
10-09-2008, 06:43 PM
I voted Lancealot purely because he wasn't contributing very well and I wanted him to speak up; but then he voted for me without giving any reason, so I stuck.

I'll reply to the other question shortly.

Del Murder
10-09-2008, 06:45 PM
Ok I just saw Jojee's post where she alluded to some of the things I said. I actually agree with her that your reasonings behind those things suck.

demondude
10-09-2008, 06:48 PM
Okay, so at the end of day 2 when I was gone, the biggest news flash was Lekana voting for Levian and almost saving sir lancealot in the process.
It makes me slightly suspicious, but I don't think it is damning enough.

demondude
10-09-2008, 06:50 PM
If X-quote worked I'd be more proficient in my accusations.

Aerith's Knight
10-09-2008, 06:54 PM
God, sorry guys. I fell asleep. :(

Reading the posts now.

Goldenboko
10-09-2008, 07:06 PM
26 hours of the day remaining.

Official Votecount:
Jojee - (1): Del Murder
Del Murder - (1): Jojee

Not voting
Everyone else ;p

demondude
10-09-2008, 07:16 PM
Well if you say Levian is innocent, then there is only one person who is guilty in my book.

##Vote: Del Murder

Aerith's Knight
10-09-2008, 07:24 PM
I can't really say her last last minute switch to Lance looks very scumish without looking like a hypocrite.
Pre-empting that someone will call you out on that? That's okay, I can say it: it does look scummish. Your vote looks more scummish than Lekana's, as yours was a full five minutes after Psy's whereas Lekana's post was a minute after and it looks like it'd take her more than a minute to type that, but y'know what, both are scummy. Lucky me, I know I'm not scum, so I just have to focus on you. :p Now only if others knew :p

I didn't read Day 1 carefully yet, but Psy seemed to think the same.

I did notice that, actually, and the time codes just don't check out. This was one alarm going off, seeing as last minute switching is often done in Mafia to fix votecounts used in later days.




OK my reason why I stopped my AK push. He wasn't doing anything scummy! So I decided to drop that. I didn't want a vote attached to someone if they weren't acting so scummy and could possibly get me killed D: (by connections that is)

And she decided that her baiting didn't work. I concur with this - AK responded well enough for my liking, and coupled with his vote for Lance yesterday I'm willing to think he's more innocent than not.

I never suspected Lekana because of this. Everyone who knows me, knows that I slip up under pressure. I'd like to think that I've improved, but it's been a while since I was a townie.

Btw, also a reason why I like anonymous games. :p



I foolishly rushed in...

You don't foolishly rush in, you're not DD(no offence).


Her biggest problem

It's HIM, you whiny little ingrade. xD


@AK: Lekana suspected you for much of day 2, and according to Jojee you were her other top suspect besides myself. What is your opinion of Jojee's decision to pretty much drop the case against you? Do you think it was a geniune change of opinion, or a realization of a failed strategy? You were the first person to point out Lance's connections (or lack thereof) with Levian, which doesn't make me suspicious of you as much as I am of the other two (DD and LeJojo) at the moment. But that makes it all the more pivotal that we get your opinion on the remaining players.


Actually, I was pretty annoyed, but never suspisious. She knows me, and therefore knows how I play. I never really got a vibe from her being mafia, for some reason. Her unvoting me after 2 attacks complies with trying to make me slip up.

Demon Dude is just him, and definitely not *cough*smart*cough* enough to stage his attack on Sir L.

Levian is still on my suspect list, seeing as Psy targeted him. But I have to bear in mind that Psy targets nearly everyone(at least experienced players) in every game. In this game he went after Lekana,Del and Levian, which complies with that.

So to answer your question, only you and Levian are on my suspect list now.

I really don't like that switch vote, it just doesn't feel right.

I'd vote for you, but I don't want to speed-lynch until I hear from Levian some more.

demondude
10-09-2008, 07:36 PM
I staged my attack on Sir Lancealot, I know everything I said, and it's ridiculous that you'd think I didn't type it.
I'm beyond your constant insults to be honest, I'm not gonna lose sleep on it. >_>

Aerith's Knight
10-09-2008, 07:41 PM
By stage, I mean you two were mafia buddies and made a deal to vote for each other, to lose suspision if one of you gets lynched.

Do you still want to say you staged your attack? :eyebrow:

And I know you won't. ;)

demondude
10-09-2008, 07:43 PM
That would be a silly sacrifice, seeing as I wasn't very suspicious anyway.

Aerith's Knight
10-09-2008, 07:56 PM
Subtle sarcasm is wasted on the internet.

demondude
10-09-2008, 08:21 PM
>_>

Jojee
10-09-2008, 08:49 PM
She seems so confident in my guilt that she says to lynch me tomorrow if she dies. I disagree with that approach for a town. I do not say lynch her (if I am killed) with 100% confidence. Yes she is my top suspect but I allow the possibility of someone else being mafia. Each day should be looked at in the context of the moment and all the history leading up to that moment.

I'm not 100% convinced that you're mafia. I just suspect you a lot more than anyone else, which is enough for me to advise town to lynch you tomorrow if I happen to die. Of course, if something significant comes up to change the situation, then etc. etc.

*still at school* :3

Del Murder
10-09-2008, 09:04 PM
Hmm, Jojee is pretty good. She is actually putting up a fair case. But it still could be an act. As time goes by I suspect DD more and more but still Lekana/Jojee is my main concern.

My back is up against the wall and I hope Levian and AK don't end this day yet. I think there is more that needs to be said. Lynching me right now would actually explain a lot of things but I don't think it would bring us any closer to finding the last mafia.

demondude
10-09-2008, 09:06 PM
##Unvote: Del murder

Don't end the day early, I won't be back till late tomorrow. D :

Aerith's Knight
10-09-2008, 09:13 PM
Gobo didn't even count your vote. :)

demondude
10-09-2008, 09:18 PM
All is well then.

Jojee
10-09-2008, 10:17 PM
Flattery does get you everywhere, but not really <3.

It'd probably help more if you answered my points/questions/whatev. :</>D

Levian
10-09-2008, 11:28 PM
ugh bleh puke.

If DD is mafia then I think we might be fucked yeah xD

Huh. I don't really have anything else to add. I just want to end this game really.

Aerith's Knight
10-09-2008, 11:57 PM
If DD has unvoted, I'll vote now.

So if you guys want to end the day without me, fine.

##vote: Del(with the hat)

But I'd like to hear your thoughts on the last page, Lev lev.

Levian
10-10-2008, 12:01 AM
My thoughts on the last page is that one of them are mafia and that we can kill both of them? :D I'd say Del is more probable though, although Lekana has her share of dirt too.

Del Murder
10-10-2008, 12:06 AM
Looks like my time is limited so I will share the remaining information I have and hope for the best. Levian, if you want to end this game quickly a vote for me will not do that. You'll have at least one more day to deal with, but I think you guys can do it. I want to end this too, which is why I hope Jojee is the one.

I am the cop. Night 1 I investigated Psychotic and got town. Night 2 I investigated Levian and got town. My 'big mistake' was investigating Levian in night 2, rather than Lekana or DD. As soon as the day ended I sent my pm to Boko, without doing more investigation first. I was fed up with the game after the long day and wanted to go do something else. When got the result I wasn't looking for I went to work on the 'trap' I planned to set for the other three, rather than doing my research first. Lance's previous voting patterns definitely made it clear that Levian was not mafia and I missed it.

I would like to explain what happened in the final minutes of the previous day. I came home from work to see a tie, and Psychotic with the deciding vote. I took the time to read through the many posts from the previous hour and the last post I got to was where Psy said he would 'post his decision in 10 minutes'. At that point I had to make a decision. At the time I thought that both of these guys were the mafia and that Psychotic's deciding vote would surely get him a bullet in the night. Knowing he was town I wanted to prevent that from happening. So I made a quick reply (yeah it came out 4 minutes after he voted but I still reading the prior stuff at that time) where I tried to accomplish two things:

1. Take the decision out of Psychotic's hands thus making him less likely of a target. True, Psy is always a likely target, but his indecision in the end could very well have given him enough 'suspicion' to keep him alive for another day.

2. I included Lekana in my post to throw off Levian, as I didn't want to be killed either. At the time Levian was still very much my top suspect, Lekana secondary. Also, if Lance turned out to be town, me being the deciding vote would almost surely guarantee I live for another day.

There is also a third reason that I actually do get annoyed when Psychotic drags stuff out like that.

These things didn't guarantee our safety but it would have at least cause some confusion among the mafia. If I died during the night my role would be revealed and my hope was that though a look through my posts it would become obvious that I investigated Psychotic and he was cleared. Here's the quote I refer to:


Now, I didn't call for his investigation like I did last time, but I think the 'investigate Psychotic immediately' mentality is still out there. There is only a 50% chance of having a cop, I know, but if there is one I'd say Psychotic is the most likely candidate to be investigated. Hell that's who I'd pick. No cop has spoken up yet so no guilty verdict was obtained (or there is no cop). That doesn't clear Psy by a long shot but that is enough to put him aside for those who I see multiple mafia red flags.

A cleared Psychotic is almost as useful as a cop, maybe even more so. The possibility of a doctor would also potentially give him an extra night of safety. I made some pointers on Psychotic but it was all mainly fluff to keep Levian from suspecting me as cop. A good cop makes himself (or herself) a target for the mafia to hang, not to shoot. Die in the night and you can't reveal anything. Come close to dying during the day and and you can at least spill your beans and clear a few people before you go. That's what I have been trying to do, and maybe a little too well. I still think we can win this even if I die today, but to do so we have to keep Jojee & DD (and to a lesser extent AK) talking.

Aerith's Knight
10-10-2008, 12:20 AM
People, We have the last mafia.

Actually Del, I am the cop.

Wonderful, you messed up big.

It is Del, Yey for a town win! =D

To elaborate, I investigated Lekana on day 1(innocent) and Psychotic on day 2(Innocent).

That's why I keep saying lekana is innocent, even though she attacks me.

I wonder what he has in store for me though, he knew that the cop would come out and disclaim him, because if there is a cop and a doctor, he has to be a roleblocker. So he would know that there is a cop.

If I need to, i'll find the many many quotes that have me saying I don't suspect Lekana, even though she behaves like scum.

edit: Oh, why not.


However much accusations she brings, I didn't think Lekana a mafia at all, at least not until that sudden Lev vote.

I actually get the part of trying to make me slip up, but well.. if there isn't anything to slip up about, it gets hard to make me now, doesn't it?

I'd still not vote for her, but I'd like to see more of her reasoning before the lynch though. She just doesn't give off a scum vibe.. more of a.. wench *cough* vibe.










OK my reason why I stopped my AK push. He wasn't doing anything scummy! So I decided to drop that. I didn't want a vote attached to someone if they weren't acting so scummy and could possibly get me killed D: (by connections that is)

And she decided that her baiting didn't work. I concur with this - AK responded well enough for my liking, and coupled with his vote for Lance yesterday I'm willing to think he's more innocent than not.

I never suspected Lekana because of this. Everyone who knows me, knows that I slip up under pressure. I'd like to think that I've improved, but it's been a while since I was a townie.

Btw, also a reason why I like anonymous games.


@AK: Lekana suspected you for much of day 2, and according to Jojee you were her other top suspect besides myself. What is your opinion of Jojee's decision to pretty much drop the case against you? Do you think it was a geniune change of opinion, or a realization of a failed strategy? You were the first person to point out Lance's connections (or lack thereof) with Levian, which doesn't make me suspicious of you as much as I am of the other two (DD and LeJojo) at the moment. But that makes it all the more pivotal that we get your opinion on the remaining players.



Actually, I was pretty annoyed, but never suspisious. She knows me, and therefore knows how I play. I never really got a vibe from her being mafia, for some reason. Her unvoting me after 2 attacks complies with trying to make me slip up.

Del Murder
10-10-2008, 12:25 AM
Damn, I was hoping you were the doctor. I knew you were one of them.

Good play, my friend.

YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE

*shoots self*

Aerith's Knight
10-10-2008, 12:29 AM
Thanks, it wouldve worked were I not the cop, but you should've know that there was one. You were the roleblocker, no? :)

Great game though, until day 3 I was sure either Levy or Psy was the last mafia, but I shouldve know, you always play a very good mafia.

*uses super ultra kunfu jesus magic to stop you from killing yourself*

Levian
10-10-2008, 12:42 AM
Oh haha. I was so sure we didn't have a cop. How wonderfully magnificent.

Great play, Del. You make a good mafia.

Aerith's Knight
10-10-2008, 12:46 AM
Oh haha. I was so sure we didn't have a cop.

Sneaky AK... is sneaky. xD

Levian
10-10-2008, 12:47 AM
Now I wonder if DD or Lekana is a doctor.

Goldenboko
10-10-2008, 01:03 AM
Damn, I was hoping you were the doctor. I knew you were one of them.

Good play, my friend.

YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE

*shoots self*

I'm going to take that at face value :)

The day was young. Del Murder knew his time was running up. But damn, he would go down with a bang. The day continued accusations where made, and it looked like Del might make it through the day with a solid argument against Lekana, I mean Joy, I mean Lekana. But, then Aerith's Knight made a decisive blow, he played a security tape of Lekana not leaving her house on the first night. Stalkerish, yes. Important? Oh yes. Del knew he was done, but he knew a real mafian goon wouldn't be taken in by these filthy mongrels. He pulled out his gun and shot himself in the head, blood splattered all over Old Manus Levian, and once again the day was saved thanks to. Duh-duh duh duh dah duh! The town (wins)!

Goldenboko
10-10-2008, 01:06 AM
Set Up:
1. Levian- Vanilla Townie
2. qwertyxsora- Vanilla Townie
3. Sir Lancealot- Mafia Goon
4. Psychotic- Vanilla Townie
5. Del Murder- Mafia Goon
6. Lekana- Vanilla Townie
7. Aerith's Knight- Cop
8. Demon Dude- Vanilla Townie
9. Sagensyg- Vanilla Townie

Role PMs:

There is nothing interesting about you, you're just a Vanilla Townie therefore you get no flavah in your PM!

You win when all mafia is lynched. You get no special ability.


Peace? What a joke! As mafia you have declared war on peace and happiness and why not? Think about it all the biggest losers have supported peace, Ghandi? L-O-S-E-R! Time to spread the pain and death, survival of the fittest baby, and you know that you are the most fit.

And why do this? Simple, *insert typical evil background here*.

Sir Lancealot, as mafia, you win when there are no townies left. Once a night you may kill one person that you've agreed upon with your partner (PM your target to me). You’re partner is Del Murder. You will discuss via Private Message! Please respond to this PM to confirm, or post in the thread to confirm! Happy hunting!


If there's one thing you've learned over the years its that, Donuts are delicious. How do you know this? Because you are a Cop. Murders make you sick, you've committed your life to finding out how to track them down, you're experienced and you're ready.

You are allied with the town, you win when all the mafia is killed. Once per night you can PM me an investigation, which will give you a verdict of Guilty or Innocent. Happy scum hunting!

Someone can know change the title to whatever pleases him or her.

Aerith's Knight
10-10-2008, 01:24 AM
Awsome, so there wasn't a doctor? xD

Good twist.

Jojee
10-10-2008, 01:38 AM
Oh wow. xD I kinda thought there wasn't a cop either. xD Hahaha nice.

Seems like the town is a bit overpowered with a cop, while the mafia doesn't even have a roleblocker, though. In C9 or whatever (the 7 person game) there's still 2 mafia. In this game there's 9 people and only 2 mafia, so I expected 1 or 0 town power-roles and I expected there to be a mafia roleblocker if there were a town power role. xD

Goldenboko
10-10-2008, 01:49 AM
I did it at random, that's what I got. Guess its more of a Newbie Setup.

I am wondering why your sig say's KCxGoBo yet links to KCxJoJo.

Del Murder
10-10-2008, 03:29 AM
I like this setup a lot. Simple yet effective. Of the four possibilities I think we got the one that was the worst for the mafia, but that's the luck of the draw. Could have easily got a setup where there was no town power roles.

I think the biggest mistake I made was not turning on Lance sooner. I should have voted him before I left work at the end of day 2. Then Psy conceivably would have forced a tie with a Levian vote and I may have been able to turn it around and get Levian out.

qwertysaur
10-10-2008, 03:33 AM
I had Del marked since during Day 2, but Lancealot slipped right by me. lekana and DD screamed town to me, and after Lance was lynched Levian was also cleared.

There is one flaw with this setup though, and that is if there is a roleblocker or not then the mafia have a 50/50 guess on the setup. What should be done is keep the randomization of mafia and town roles separate, that way everything is perfectly random.

Wait, DD lived a whole game? Get him! :p

Psychotic
10-10-2008, 03:36 AM
I wanted to go after Del after he became suddenly suspicious of Lancealot right after I did, but Levian had to get in the way!

Del Murder
10-10-2008, 03:54 AM
There is one flaw with this setup though, and that is if there is a roleblocker or not then the mafia have a 50/50 guess on the setup. What should be done is keep the randomization of mafia and town roles separate, that way everything is perfectly random.

I don't think that's a flaw. With 9 town to 2 mafia, they need that 'advantage' (which can be the downfall as we've seen) to keep things even. If the town pays attention they should realize that the mafia has a 50% guess at the setup and keep that in mind.

qwertysaur
10-10-2008, 04:10 AM
Oh yeah, you probably want to know my other trap. I like to play a little differently each game, so here it is.

Starting day 2 I would open up with a vote on Levian, to continue our little game into the first part of Day 2. Then every so often I would post another votecount like I had been, only I would purposely misspell lancealot's name in the count. I remember in the first mafia social group, Lancealot hated when i did that, so if he took the bate I would call him out on his inactivity, yet keep the pressure on Levian, hopefully getting a good amount of votes on him. If Lancealot picked up on my little error, it would be very easy to call him out and ask what he thought of everyone in a long, detailed post, because he had pained enough attention to the spelling of his name.

But you killed me before i could start it. :(

Del Murder
10-10-2008, 04:43 AM
Well I killed you because you would get in my way of having Psy and Lev go at each other in day 2.

Jojee
10-10-2008, 05:29 AM
I did it at random, that's what I got. Guess its more of a Newbie Setup.

I am wondering why your sig say's KCxGoBo yet links to KCxJoJo.

What are you on about? It says KCxJojo :p Maybe you just <i>want</i> it to say KCxGoBo!

Goldenboko
10-10-2008, 01:40 PM
I did it at random, that's what I got. Guess its more of a Newbie Setup.

I am wondering why your sig say's KCxGoBo yet links to KCxJoJo.

What are you on about? It says KCxJojo :p Maybe you just <i>want</i> it to say KCxGoBo!

I saw you change it bish. I saw you change it.

demondude
10-10-2008, 06:10 PM
I ... won ..?

lolwut.

Psychotic
10-10-2008, 06:12 PM
See what happens when you play properly, DD? ;)

demondude
10-10-2008, 06:15 PM
:kaocry:

Lawr
10-10-2008, 09:53 PM
I'm the REAL winner here.

Aerith's Knight
10-11-2008, 01:00 AM
I just can't see a way how that is true.

Goldenboko
10-11-2008, 07:40 PM
So. Does this like, get archived now? :shifty:

qwertysaur
10-11-2008, 08:07 PM
*Casts summon mod*

Psychotic
10-11-2008, 08:47 PM
*is summoned*

No. No it does not.

demondude
10-11-2008, 09:04 PM
Don't close the thread, it holds magical, magical moments.