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Iceglow
11-13-2008, 04:00 AM
Well I figured it belongs in here even though this is more about the launch because I don't play World of Warcraft (yet!) World of Warcraft, Wrath of The Lich King officially went on sale in the uk 3hours and 38 minutes ago at time of writing. I was there, I sold the second or third copy to pass through our hands.

It cost Blizzard £40,000 apparently to set this evening up and well, I can well believe it. We had everything from cute girls in mini-skirts, stockings and knee high boots (pity they had one size fits no one t-shirts on though I congratulate some of them for doing sterling attempts to make them look more fitting including the one who had me tie it as tight as I possibly can, I think she might need to cut that off or find me and ask :jokey: lol) to ice sculptures. In 2.5 hours we had a massive number of customers pass through the tills and well, it was pretty damn bad my back hurts more than I thought possible heck even my hands feel the pain right now. Going back to work at 16:30 does not appeal to me at all but hell it was good fun we got offered a flashing by one customer, she was quite cute but she wanted our limited hats which were given to us by Blizzard (they had ! and ? symbols on them I have one of each :D I only wore it because 5 cute girls battered their eyelashes at me and asked nicely when I had my hair spiked! I caved, I am weak they were hot I was putty!)

After we'd finished with our massive line of customers the Blizzard people were really happy with our work and even said "well we're going to see about getting a list together of who worked here tonight, what systems you have and see about sending you free stuff" So I am very happy about this. Free stuff is always welcome as are cute girls! My boss was happy with me and a friend too for we came out with a great idea of selling our bags for life to people tonight so we have some kudos points :D this is always good for me because I seek favours occassionally.

So who brought it, did anyone come to HMV Oxford Circus today and get their copy, who wants it and do I cave in and begin playing WoW?

Markus. D
11-13-2008, 04:45 AM
As stunning as it looks.


I probably won't xD

As far as I got, I could just never get into the gameplay... SO I missed out on BC too.

Now, someone tell me wth that neat looking floating castle with the badass Necro Skull puking a waterfall of acid is called.

Bunny
11-13-2008, 05:04 AM
Now, someone tell me wth that neat looking floating castle with the badass Necro Skull puking a waterfall of acid is called.

Naxxramas. It's a Vanilla WoW instances that they redid and put into WoTLK.

I quit playing WoW about a month and a half ago or something along those lines. I have no plans on going back because nothing in the expansion particularly interested me.

Markus. D
11-13-2008, 08:33 AM
Naxxramas~ I like the name =]]

Jowy
11-13-2008, 10:02 AM
I want to brutally murder every single Blood Elf Death Knight on general principle.

Utgarde Keep is fun, Howling Fjord is pretty, I'm going to sleep.

Misfit
11-13-2008, 10:10 AM
Utgarde Keep is fun, Howling Fjord is pretty, I'm going to sleep.

what he said. woot for being guild firsts to complete the first dungeon, haha. zzz tiem because unlike half the people that play WE HAVE JOBS. >:[

Madame Adequate
11-13-2008, 03:33 PM
I want to brutally murder every single Blood Elf Death Knight on general principle.

Agreed.

I'll be getting this once my card stops being raped by my bank, and once it gets delivered overseas. :(

escobert
11-13-2008, 09:48 PM
I refuse to ever play WoW again.

Realm25
11-13-2008, 09:51 PM
Getting two copies tomorrow, it'll be fun to run around leveling DK's with my wife. UnHoly and..hmm not sure, probably Blood. At any rate, it'll be a nice change.

Freya
11-13-2008, 10:38 PM
I swear it's been stuck at 87% for the install for the past five minutes.

Madame Adequate
11-14-2008, 02:43 AM
I swear it's been stuck at 87% for the install for the past five minutes.

It does that. I was at 2% for ages, then it jumped to 63% xD

Digital download exists. Digital purchase does not. Damned brick'n'mortar stores >=[

Magixion
11-14-2008, 06:36 PM
I got it and am enjoying it so far. The death knights are fun as http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif and I think are a good change for the game. I hope they keep the hero classes coming.

Also, the death knight story quests are epic. Had a hell of a time playing and RPing the huge Scarlet Crusade and Scourge battle.

Jowy
11-16-2008, 12:57 AM
TwentyFifthNovember.com clears all current endgame raid content as of today.

Powergaming http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifheads.

Madame Adequate
11-16-2008, 02:18 AM
TwentyFifthNovember.com clears all current endgame raid content as of today.

Powergaming http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifheads.

So what? Good for them.

Misfit
11-16-2008, 07:41 AM
TwentyFifthNovember.com clears all current endgame raid content as of today.

Powergaming http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifheads.

So what? Good for them.

And then proceeded to QQ about it.

Bunny
11-17-2008, 02:17 AM
Hahaha. That's one of the reasons I don't play WoW anymore.

SK-Gaming and Nihilum, so it makes sense.

Jessweeee♪
11-17-2008, 02:55 AM
There were substantially less students present in my computer related classes on the day this was released.

Markus. D
11-17-2008, 10:56 AM
xDDDD

Realm25
11-18-2008, 12:33 PM
The new zones are beautiful, although my favorite is still good ol Nagrand. The Death Knights are amazingly fun to play, but questing in Outland is ridiculous now. Everywhere you go there's already 20+ DK's killing the mobs you need. At least they could have upped the respawn rate or something, they had to have known this would happen.

Madame Adequate
11-18-2008, 01:12 PM
Of course, NOW they allow online purchase. All of 12 hours after it's too late to cancel my WotLK shipment - which could take a week. Sigh.

Dr. Acula
11-20-2008, 09:05 PM
The new zones are beautiful, although my favorite is still good ol Nagrand. The Death Knights are amazingly fun to play, but questing in Outland is ridiculous now. Everywhere you go there's already 20+ DK's killing the mobs you need. At least they could have upped the respawn rate or something, they had to have known this would happen.

OMG YES. That's the most annoying thing about WoW at the moment.

Wrath of the Lich King made me start playing WoW again.:D I really like Death Knights. My brother doesn't because they're too common.

Markus. D
11-20-2008, 09:27 PM
Everyone saw that coming in the trailer.

If I were still playing I'd probably give in and play a DK too ._.;

Akaria
11-21-2008, 03:02 AM
I unfortunately got into WoW about a week and a half ago; it's slowly been gnawing gently at my soul ever since.

Fun though:D At one point at like level 10 I was trying to fight a glitch that didn't chase me and didn't let me cast magic at it. Eventually I went up and began smacking it with my staff, and after a few times, I say aloud, "Hey guys, I think I just defeated that glitch guy." They, however, heard "lich guy" and fell all over themselves to look at my screen. xD

Realm25
11-21-2008, 12:07 PM
I unfortunately got into WoW about a week and a half ago; it's slowly been gnawing gently at my soul ever since.

Fun though:D At one point at like level 10 I was trying to fight a glitch that didn't chase me and didn't let me cast magic at it. Eventually I went up and began smacking it with my staff, and after a few times, I say aloud, "Hey guys, I think I just defeated that glitch guy." They, however, heard "lich guy" and fell all over themselves to look at my screen. xD

Bugged mobs are extremely common. I'd say I run into a couple everyday. If they start evading everything you do, best thing is just to walk away.

Akaria
11-22-2008, 02:54 AM
But I enjoy beating them...Makes me feel good inside, beating up something that 1) I shouldn't be able to, 2) doesn't really matter at all, and 3) is completely helpless.

:love:

Fate Fatale
11-22-2008, 02:58 AM
Death Knights are awful. :(

I want to punch every single one of them.

On a lighter note, I DO have the expansion but I don't play it too often as it's still too laggy on my realm.

Misfit
11-22-2008, 04:55 AM
The death knight quests were fun as hell, then I just kinda stopped playing mine. But she's so awesome looking, I might pick her back up again. *_* Undead all the way, blood elf death knights... I lol at you. >:[

Also, OMG BABY POLAR BEAR CUBS OMG SOCUTE~ n_n

Craig
11-22-2008, 10:21 AM
The death knight quests were fun as hell, then I just kinda stopped playing mine. But she's so awesome looking, I might pick her back up again. *_* Undead all the way, blood elf death knights... I lol at you. >:[

Also, OMG BABY POLAR BEAR CUBS OMG SOCUTE~ n_n

hey i wanted to be a badass gnome death knight but my friends all play horde so i had to go blood elf

Misfit
11-22-2008, 04:05 PM
The death knight quests were fun as hell, then I just kinda stopped playing mine. But she's so awesome looking, I might pick her back up again. *_* Undead all the way, blood elf death knights... I lol at you. >:[

Also, OMG BABY POLAR BEAR CUBS OMG SOCUTE~ n_n

hey i wanted to be a badass gnome death knight but my friends all play horde so i had to go blood elf

But gnomes and belves are like, the least intimidating races for DK. :(

Realm25
11-22-2008, 04:10 PM
blood elf death knights... I lol at you. >:[

Blood Elves are a joke no matter what class. The guys are extremely feminine, and the females remind me of a teen pop star, like Britney Spears or something.

My favorite Death Knights are humans, because humans look good no matter what, followed by Tauren, Undead, and Orc.

Madame Adequate
11-22-2008, 04:32 PM
... there are male Blood Elves?

Freya
11-23-2008, 01:56 AM
blood elf death knights... I lol at you. >:[

Blood Elves are a joke no matter what class. The guys are extremely feminine, and the females remind me of a teen pop star, like Britney Spears or something.

You know it's not cause the female Belf's dance is Britney Spears ;)

Renmiri
11-23-2008, 06:43 AM
I want to brutally murder every single Blood Elf Death Knight on general principle
They are very fun to play.. Overpowered as hell :love:

Getting two copies tomorrow, it'll be fun to run around leveling DK's with my wife. UnHoly and..hmm not sure, probably Blood. At any rate, it'll be a nice change.
Unholy for me, my friends like Blood though


I got it and am enjoying it so far. The death knights are fun ...
Also, the death knight story quests are epic. Had a hell of a time playing and RPing the huge Scarlet Crusade and Scourge battle.
Loooved riding that huge arse dragon and shooting the castles :D

..The Death Knights are amazingly fun to play, but questing in Outland is ridiculous now. Everywhere you go there's already 20+ DK's killing the mobs you need...
Indeed.. and Laggy as hell!

The death knight quests were fun as hel... *_* Undead all the way, blood elf death knights... I lol at you. >:[

Also, OMG BABY POLAR BEAR CUBS OMG SOCUTE~ n_n
Got one too soo cute!

And got me hunter a Devilsaur and a chimera pet :D

PS: Iceglow you are a lucky guy!!!! :D

Realm25
11-24-2008, 05:49 AM
Well after two days and some odd hours mine and my wifes DK's are both 70. She decided to respec to Blood and we've been just destroying any elite we face. At level 65 in Nagrand we killed every elite for every quest, and were able to 3-man Durn The Hungerer with another DK, level 66 Frost.

Now we're questing Northrend and it's pretty fun overall. We started in Howling Fjord but the quests quickly got boring so we moved over to Borean Tundra and we're just loving it.

The Death Knight population toned down a lot, as I hardly ever see any now in Northrend, nothing like in Outland where we are over populated.

Oh on a side note, did everybody enjoy the free blizzard bear we got in the mail this morning? it's adorable.

Misfit
11-24-2008, 05:27 PM
Oh on a side note, did everybody enjoy the free blizzard bear we got in the mail this morning? it's adorable.
Heck yes! Which is funny because I posted the "OMG BABY POLAR BEAR CUBS OMG SOCUTE~ n_n" bit BEFORE I even got the polar bear pet, lul. I'm psychic. 8-)

Madame Adequate
11-24-2008, 05:53 PM
Finally got it this morning! I've played DK a bit - was shocked that the name I decided on was available (Isold). She's pretty cool to play, but it didn't take long before I went back to my 70 for levelling. Went to Borean, it's great there!

Freya
11-24-2008, 05:54 PM
I got stuck doing the same thing I always do. I get the quests done to quick and I get stuck with being at least 2 levels lower than the quest I have. :/

Jowy
11-24-2008, 06:30 PM
So you've cleared Grizzly Hills, Zul'Drak, and Dragonblight already? :p

Freya
11-24-2008, 06:52 PM
'Bout done with dragonblight xD I'm barely 72, Like not even a bubble in xD

Bunny
11-24-2008, 06:52 PM
So I heard you can buy T7 gear with heroic badges now.

lol blizzard

Jowy
11-24-2008, 06:54 PM
Really? I'm 74 and have barely even touched Dragonblight. Go to the other starting zone and do the quests there then, still a large chunk of XP out of those.

Chestpiece and Gloves for the 10 man versions, yes. The exponentially better 25 man versions can still only be acquired from raids.

Bunny
11-24-2008, 06:56 PM
Yeah, I know. It's still pretty retarded though.

Jowy
11-24-2008, 06:59 PM
I agree wholeheartedly. http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifty S1/S2 epics should be easy to get through token handins or what have you, not your tier sets.

I guess our guild cleared Naxxramas 10 man after spending nine hours straight in there.

Bunny
11-24-2008, 07:02 PM
It still makes me giggle that TwentyFifthNovember has destroyed the game already.

Some days I regret quitting, but then I am reminded of what a http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.giffest the game has turned into.

Jowy
11-24-2008, 07:08 PM
I really do think that WotLK content is exponentially better than anything that came out of BC. I'm really hoping the T8 raids up the difficulty by a bit. Nothing as buttfuckingly hard as SWP, but something that'll present a little bit of a challenge.

Misfit
11-24-2008, 07:10 PM
It still makes me giggle that TwentyFifthNovember has destroyed the game already.

Some days I regret quitting, but then I am reminded of what a http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.giffest the game has turned into.

come play with us again n_n

btw, GOD I HATE BC. I don't think I'll level my DK anymore because I hate, hate, HATE hellfire damnit UGH.

Madame Adequate
11-24-2008, 07:53 PM
Yeah Blizz are retarded, making content accessable to more players.

IMO you shouldn't even be allowed to level past 75 if you didn't hit High Warlord or Grand Marshal back in the day. Back when it was zero sum I mean.

Bunny
11-24-2008, 08:16 PM
Yeah Blizz are retarded, making content accessable to more players.

IMO you shouldn't even be allowed to level past 75 if you didn't hit High Warlord or Grand Marshal back in the day. Back when it was zero sum I mean.

Yeah, because that is completely what I meant.

It isn't about making content accessible to players. It's about making content that was once attained through actually playing endgame available to players who just popped up and did some heroics. Giving amazing gear to terrible players who managed to struggle through several heroics is http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif. Especially when people of actual skill had to go through hell to get the same gear.

FREE GEAR LOL

Madame Adequate
11-24-2008, 08:31 PM
Especially when people of actual skill had to go through hell to get the same gear.

I don't think you're really going to grasp it if you don't think the fact that Blizz changed it so you don't have to go through hell playing a videogame is a good thing.

Bunny
11-24-2008, 08:44 PM
Especially when people of actual skill had to go through hell to get the same gear.

I don't think you're really going to grasp it if you don't think the fact that Blizz changed it so you don't have to go through hell playing a videogame is a good thing.

I'm sorry if I play video games for a challenge and escape from the boredom of reality. I don't really care to have everything handed to me on a silver platter so much as I care to actually earn the things I obtain. But hey, that's just me I guess.

PS T4-T6 weren't hard to get to begin with. You didn't actually have to go through hell, just have the skills and abilities to actually meet the requirements. If you honestly think nerfing the hell out of Illidan so tanks could stand in the fire and not use actual strategies to defeat him is a good thing, that's really a shame. Same goes for Sunwell. That place is a fucking joke now.

Jowy
11-25-2008, 04:28 AM
Kael'thas is hard. :(

Realm25
11-25-2008, 04:41 AM
QQ enough, Bunny?

I personally find the changes acceptable. Without making things more easily accessible as far as old content goes new players would be struggling, a lot, enough that it simply wouldn't be fun.

Hell, not 2 months after BC was released finding a group for Strat or Scholo was next to impossible, and what happened? new players missed out on a lot of content and gear.

Now, Blizz learned from that, and now new players will have a fighting chance. So yeah, I'm down with it. Less QQ more pew pew.

Jowy
11-25-2008, 05:57 AM
Hellfire Peninsula greens are better than Molten Core epics.

Misfit
11-25-2008, 06:46 AM
I love Bunny. Welcome to the World of Bella Sara (http://www.bellasara.com/index_bs.aspx) for everybody else. /point jowy

Bunny
11-25-2008, 06:55 AM
QQ enough, Bunny?

No. It is a pretty valid concern when half the game is cakewalk and the other half isn't interesting. There is a huge difference between making the game more acceptable and accessible to new players and making the entire thing a piece of cake. Guilds that could not beat Illidan or Kil'jaeden for the life of them before the patch and then walking in, directly after the patch, and one shotting them without any deaths is completely ridiculous and unacceptable to me. Players with absolutely no skill should not be pandered to simply because it makes them feel special.


Hell, not 2 months after BC was released finding a group for Strat or Scholo was next to impossible, and what happened? new players missed out on a lot of content and gear.

I was relatively new when BC came out and I still managed to experience all of the old content. If a person wants to experience something, they will try their best to experience it. People still do that crap to this day.


Now, Blizz learned from that, and now new players will have a fighting chance. So yeah, I'm down with it. Less QQ more pew pew.

Again, walking into Illidan without any previous knowledge of the fight and killing him without anything even closely resembling a strategy isn't giving them a fighting chance. It's giving them free gear. If they want players to experience old content, they should experience it on the same level as the other people. Difficulty intact, not ruined.

Just to get a grasp on the situation, when exactly did you start playing WoW? And when, if ever, did you kill Illidan?

Also let's face it. The whole thing was done to get more money.

Markus. D
11-25-2008, 09:13 AM
Finally some complaints about the DK!!

Carl the Llama
11-25-2008, 11:51 AM
Oh on a side note, did everybody enjoy the free blizzard bear we got in the mail this morning? it's adorable.
Heck yes! Which is funny because I posted the "OMG BABY POLAR BEAR CUBS OMG SOCUTE~ n_n" bit BEFORE I even got the polar bear pet, lul. I'm psychic. 8-)

Damn you people are so lucky, I got the game at the midnight release and was playing for a good long time and though "wow we got something before the US" and I genuinely though that we would get the exact same content ect. but lo and behold blizz placates the US coming second by sending them free novelty pets... I think blizz needs to stop sticking their collective noses up the US's ass (no offence intended).

well back to the topic, I think LK is great, loveing my unholy DK and im of the opinion that once more of the hero classes are released we will be seeing harder raids coming in, blizz will prolly listen if we kick up enough of a stink.

Madame Adequate
11-25-2008, 12:57 PM
Also let's face it. The whole thing was done to get more money.

Uh, yeah? Pretty sure nobody dispuated that xD They're appealing to more of their consumers than the small percentage who actually like super difficult http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif. You can piss and moan about it all you like but the fact is more people are playing than ever, WotLK was the fastest-selling PC launch ever, and they're showing no signs at all of slowing down.

Bunny
11-25-2008, 03:29 PM
Also let's face it. The whole thing was done to get more money.

Uh, yeah? Pretty sure nobody dispuated that xD They're appealing to more of their consumers than the small percentage who actually like super difficult :skull::skull::skull::skull:. You can piss and moan about it all you like but the fact is more people are playing than ever, WotLK was the fastest-selling PC launch ever, and they're showing no signs at all of slowing down.

It wasn't super difficult to begin with. It was difficult, yes, but so long as you knew what you were doing and played with like-minded individuals you could get pretty far. Hell, the worst of the guilds on my old server killed Illidan pre-nerf without even trying. Skill should equal gear, not simply showing up.

Misfit
11-25-2008, 05:15 PM
Oh on a side note, did everybody enjoy the free blizzard bear we got in the mail this morning? it's adorable.
Heck yes! Which is funny because I posted the "OMG BABY POLAR BEAR CUBS OMG SOCUTE~ n_n" bit BEFORE I even got the polar bear pet, lul. I'm psychic. 8-)but lo and behold blizz placates the US coming second by sending them free novelty pets... I think blizz needs to stop sticking their collective noses up the US's ass (no offence intended).
huh, what? it was the 4th anniversary gift... did you uh, log in that day? :p

Avarice-ness
11-25-2008, 05:56 PM
Oh on a side note, did everybody enjoy the free blizzard bear we got in the mail this morning? it's adorable.
Heck yes! Which is funny because I posted the "OMG BABY POLAR BEAR CUBS OMG SOCUTE~ n_n" bit BEFORE I even got the polar bear pet, lul. I'm psychic. 8-)but lo and behold blizz placates the US coming second by sending them free novelty pets... I think blizz needs to stop sticking their collective noses up the US's ass (no offence intended).
huh, what? it was the 4th anniversary gift... did you uh, log in that day? :p

What's even better, is that I was just on the WoW general topic forums with people complaining that the bear isn't good enough because they've been paying 15$ since 2004.


Either way, who's on Draka, I might make a new character there, MAYBE~

I'm lazy, who wants to get to 80 when you can just make new characters.

Misfit
11-25-2008, 06:42 PM
Either way, who's on Draka, I might make a new character there, MAYBE~
Jowy, me, Ally, Doomgaze, Docfrance, Bleys sometimes.

Kane, Kirobaito, Bert, Alixsar, BUNNY all used to play there but they quit 8-)

Madame Adequate
11-25-2008, 09:28 PM
After spending some time playing I can safely say that Howling Fjord is one of my favorite zones in the entire game and it is truly awesome. I mean, I like Borean Tundra, it's fun and there are sapient walruses and sapient walrus moai. But Howling Fjord is just... whoa. Once you climb out of the canyon Valgarde is in, it's glorious.

Misfit
11-26-2008, 05:13 AM
I like Crystalsong Forest so far. :0

Renmiri
11-27-2008, 01:08 AM
I'm the kind of player that loves "easy" but I agree with Bunny. I think it a shame players who actually understand the game and strategy don't get anything special for their troubles.

I'm perfectly ok with good players getting stuff I will never get as a casual player. They put more effort, should get more stuff.

That said, I love that I can buy or find good stuff on drops too. I think "epics" should be available to us bad players too, just make some of the stuff exclusive to super hard dungeons. This way the Bunny's of the world can get their badge of honor and I can still get my +70 stamina gear too :D