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[M] Jeff - Single Dad

11-18-2008, 11:02 PM

Goldenboko;2596700']

Oh and Neotifa, why not give your own opinion instead of asking for others'?

I have.

I, for one, do see Laddy as a possibility for scum, but I'm not sure it's enough to warrant a vote from me.

As for your BoB ploy, it sounds to me like you're using Laddy's excuse to get out of being suspicious, but it doesn't work that way. It can work with one person, but not two.

They aren't the only ones suspicious of you, Momiji. And what do you mean they're "quick" to throw suspicion at you? On day 1 when I mentioned you were a bit iffy, people looked at me oddly for saying so, but didn't say much more. I was the only one that really believed you were someone to watch out for. Now that you've been a TEENSY bit more active, they see what I see. That's not "quick to be suspicious," that's the town getting the scum vibes from you.

If you read those corectly, you can see that I'm suspicious of Momiji and Laddy, and why. Also, Yar-Yars, after what he's had to say recently. This speaks to me the most:
Yaridovich;2596676']I already said I have no gut feelings. Thus, I find everyone equally suspicious.

After all that's happened, he has to find SOMEONE suspicious. That post says "I'm laying low so that no one will point fingers at me if I say I think someone who turns out to be mafia is suspicious." Or, he's panicking because he's a scummie who doesn't want to out one of his buddies, nor does he want to get a townie lynched because it will make him look suspicious.

Besides that, these are the least active players:

[M] The Summoner of Leviathan
[M] Momiji
[M] Denmark
[M] Psychotic
[M] Loony BoB
[M] ~*~Celes~*~
[M] Yaridovich
[M] Sergeant Hartman

Of which, SoL and Yar-Yars have posted a bit more today. SoL actually has some stuff, but not Yar-Yars. Momiji has also posted a bit, but nothing of importance, and nothing that saves him from being suspicious. Denmark was posting a bit on Day 1 but I have yet to see anything today, and same with Celes. Therefore, out of the inactives, I'd say these are the ones to watch out for, out of whom I haven't mentioned before:

-Denmark
-Celes

I'm going to keep an eye on those two, as well as Momiji and Laddy.

Laddy, can you tell me a bit more about this system of yours? Do you just randomly pick a non-active player and prod them until they speak, or do you have some method of choosing?

[M] Jeff - Single Dad

11-18-2008, 11:05 PM

And if you need clarification on why I don't fully trust Laddy, it's because of his prodding method. If he can come up with a decent explanation for why he chooses who he does, he might be a bit more townie to me, but I can't say for certain.

[M] Ron - Cop Dad

11-18-2008, 11:17 PM

My process is simple. I take all of the people I think should post more, and choose one random one to vote for. Day 1 I got Goldenboko so I voted Goldenboko.

Day 2 I got BoB.

Earlier you asked who was next, so I put the following names into the program

Celes
Denmark
Dolentrean
Yaridovich
TSoL

and Yaridovich came out. And as you can see, this seems like a really bad plan, but in a weird way it helps generate discussion.

[M] Ron - Cop Dad

11-18-2008, 11:20 PM

edit by post

Sergent Hartman is also on that list, but the name got cut off when I copied it. (My notes on the game are a mess)

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-18-2008, 11:21 PM

Goldenboko;2596700']
Sergeant Hartman;2596610']
Since we know that DD was Mafia, I'm going to eliminate anyone from my suspicious list who voted for him-

[7] Demon Dude- Miriel, Gobo, ~*~Celes~*~, Ak, Dolentrean, The Summoner of Leviathan, Laddyand I also want to eliminate everyone who voted with qwerty too

[1] Miriel- Momiji, <s>Denmark</s>, <s>qwerty</s>
[1] NeoTifa- qwerty, Del Murder

Not voting: Denmark, Psychotic, Loony BoB, Yaridovich, Sergeant Hartman.So this would make NeoTifa, Momiji, Del Murder, Denmark, Psychotic, Loony BoB, Yaridovich and I the suspicious ones for now at least.

I disagree with a passion. Mafia have been known to vote on more than a few occasions to bandwagon with the others when it seems like he/she is a goner.

I wouldn't rule out anyone who bandwagoned, didn't post an adequate reason or voted for DD real late in the game.

Plus, you should always go for the vibe you get from someone.

This aside, I'm seeing more and more people covering for each other. This above post merely one of them. This is a scummy move people, and not something you win my trust by. To take Psy's philosophy: "Everyone is a mafia, until proven otherwise."

Be suspisious of everyone. Votecounts and arguments are easily fixed.

Oh and Neotifa, why not give your own opinion instead of asking for others'? I agree though, there are too many inactives.

Cid, is there anyone who needs to be replaced or has a valid reason for being absent?

Yeah I don't stand by that strongly, it was just something that could maybe bring to light some people that may have been missed, because I'm clueless right now.

[M] Apollo

11-19-2008, 12:59 AM

Oh, "Miriel". You try so hard. And yet, in every game you're Mafia, you always antagonize the innocent to keep accusing eyes off of you and "trusting" eyes pointed in your direction. Antagonism is the scummiest tactic of all.

How is it you study this game so thoroughly (or so it seems) yet always manage to give yourself away?

So yeah. There's my gut feeling. There's my opinion about someone.

There's my vote.

##Vote: Miriel

[M] Dee

11-19-2008, 01:31 AM

I'm not sure I like how NeoTifa attacks Laddy for "prodding" inactives and then casually posts a list of most inactive players.

I understand the point of view Yari is speaking from, referring to inactivity, but I'll let paraoia get the better of me, as I'd rather not trust anyone too much yet.
;P

Also, I don't quite like Laddy's method of randomly drawing names. I guess it could make things simpler this early in the game, but it could become a liability as we progress. I assume that you plan on discontinuing this method, maybe even after today.

Anyway, on to suspiciousness.

Miriel seems intelligent. That could be a good thing or a bad thing. It's not that I'm suspicious of you, it just seems that you stick out a lot.

I'm not too sure about Yaridovich. On one hand, you've basically come into the game defending yourself, whic can make you seem suspicious, but is very necessary in your situation. On the other hand, you completely admitted that you've been lurking. That screams guilt to me, sorry.

Day one, I was actually considering swapping my vote to NeoTifa, but decided against it when I saw a certain few of DD's posts. You stick out too, NeoTifa, but you seem to be working more for yourself, rather than working towards the root of things, as I feel Laddy is doing.

I'm not suspicious enough of anyone yet to vote though, so I'll leave it at that.

Eet tiem.

[M] Dave – Stepdad

11-19-2008, 01:44 AM

Aerith's Knight

I wholeheartedly agree that lurking like that is suspishus, Yar. You're being a useless sack of crap if you're town.

Momiji;2596558']

Aerith's Knight;2596547"]
Momiji;2596539']

As far as suspicions, I am rather suspicious of you; AK; Leviathan, Summoner of; and Laddy.

o.o

Care to elaborate? Not just about me, either S:I find NeoTifa suspicious because of just the way she's been acting. That might be just because of her role-playing though. But, the going back and forth between NeoTifa and AK gives me suspicion of them both.

Oh. So it's suspicious to discuss suspicions.

Miriel;2596600']That's ridiculous. That's like saying the town is better off when everyone has the same amount of susipicion as everyone else. Everyone's susipicious some are more then others.

The town didn't "set up" DD's bandwagon, he did himself with a big crappy post against Goldenboko. What about your constant claim against NeoTifa? That's not 'trying to set up a bandwagon?' Why not? Because people aren't making her their numero uno?

Speaking of which, why are you so concerned about NeoTifa. She played stupid, and hasn't really contributed, but why do you seem so convinced?

...that's really been bugging me actually. How could he not realize how scummy that seemed? How could he post something like that without the consent of the mafiosi? How could they approve of something like that? On day one no less!

Sergeant Hartman;2596610']

Since we know that DD was Mafia, I'm going to eliminate anyone from my suspicious list who voted for him-

[7] Demon Dude- Miriel, Gobo, ~*~Celes~*~, Ak, Dolentrean, The Summoner of Leviathan, Laddyand I also want to eliminate everyone who voted with qwerty too

[1] Miriel- Momiji, <S>Denmark</S>, <S>qwerty</S>
[1] NeoTifa- qwerty, Del Murder

Not voting: Denmark, Psychotic, Loony BoB, Yaridovich, Sergeant Hartman.

I have to disagree with this. In past games, mafia have voted with a townie the killed the next night, and they have voted against their scummates (check Ace Mafia IX for a fantastic example of every member of the mafia turning against their godfather; the game ended with a mafia victory).

Cid;2596612']
Aerith's Knight;2596513"]Question for Cid: Are we allowed to share spreadsheets? I think I remember something about someone posting one then someone else going, "gah, you can't do that" and then the spreadsheet stayed anyhow. So I'm confused.

I cant see a problem, but don't anyway as I don't know much about them.

All it really has is a record of the votes and roles in a more organized manner :p

All in all, I think my vote still goes to Miss Tifa for reasons stated in a previous post.

Preview edit:

Oh, 'sup Celes, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, HMMMM?

[M] Dave – Stepdad

11-19-2008, 01:45 AM

Aerith's Knight

Oh, whoops.

##Vote: NeoTifa

[M] Anise

11-19-2008, 01:53 AM

I can't help that I'm busy and my partner is lazy :D
Anyway, my thoughts:

Momiji casting that second vote on me seems pointless, so it seems suspicious to me. Though I'm not entirely convinced he's scum.

Yaridovich is in the same boat as me it seems. We both have very little feelings on who might be scum, but keeping to ourselves is obviously incriminating us. That being the case, I still get a scummy vibe from him, but it is completely unfounded at this time.

NeoTifa is active quite often. I'd like to think active members are helpful townies, but scum could use it to pass off as town. Nothing really of help here.

Denmark has posted, saying he will read over the posts and then give us his thoughts. This hasn't happened (as far as I can tell, I might have missed it). That looks scummy to me. He says he'll help, and then we forget about him.

If I were to vote at this time, it'd be for Denmark. I'll quote him straight after this so you can see what I mean.

[M] Anise

11-19-2008, 01:54 AM

Denmark;2596512']I somehow just knew whoever played DD would get lynched day 1. XD

Oh hey hey! Something happened, let's get this party started!

I still need to read over some posts before I get a good idea, but some points made against NeoTifa seem valid. But I still gotta go read over all the good parts of the thread before I really see who I think is suspicious.

This is why. Seems so eager to get involved, then doesn't return?

[M] Anise

11-19-2008, 02:05 AM

Miriel;2596688']"I purposely avoid the first two days" (Only reason for anyone to do that would be to avoid being lynched mafia? Yes-Yes Yar-Yars) "I let everyone else do the work." (That's just crap) "You won't get any info out of me! Bye!"

##unvote: Momiji
##vote: Yaridovich

Sorry Yars, but you seem like one of those "really obvious choices" you where talking about. :)

Yaridovich;2596742']Oh, "Miriel". You try so hard. And yet, in every game you're Mafia, you always antagonize the innocent to keep accusing eyes off of you and "trusting" eyes pointed in your direction. Antagonism is the scummiest tactic of all.

How is it you study this game so thoroughly (or so it seems) yet always manage to give yourself away?

So yeah. There's my gut feeling. There's my opinion about someone.

There's my vote.

##Vote: Miriel

The attack on Miriel seems unfounded to me, which gives me a good reason to suspect Yaridovich now. However, I'm not confident to vote for him yet.

That being said, if I can be prodded, so can
##vote: Denmark
I want to know Denmark's views on people, he's been re-reading for a while now

[M] Dave – Stepdad

11-19-2008, 02:10 AM

Aerith's Knight

Cid;2596300']qwerty went to bed after saying some prayers, or whatever Jews do, thinking he'd be safe. But it was not to be. Some Nazi elements had gained access to the hotel where he slept, and of course had to kill him.
They sent him a cake with nerve gas in it, killing the poor man when he went for a midnight snack. qwerty was a Vanilla Townie played by NepCracker. Sorry, man.

Day ends in 24 hours, and it takes 8 to lynch.
Posted at 10:18 PM yesterday according to the time on this account. The time is now 10:05 PM.

Get your votes in quick :p

[M] Dee

11-19-2008, 02:14 AM

Gah, I thought we had more time.
I'm gonna have to go with

##Vote: NeoTifa

She's highest on my suspicion list, even small as it is.

[M] Gaius

11-19-2008, 02:16 AM

Aerith's Knight;2596761"]

Miriel;2596600']That's ridiculous. That's like saying the town is better off when everyone has the same amount of susipicion as everyone else. Everyone's susipicious some are more then others.

The town didn't "set up" DD's bandwagon, he did himself with a big crappy post against Goldenboko. What about your constant claim against NeoTifa? That's not 'trying to set up a bandwagon?' Why not? Because people aren't making her their numero uno?

Speaking of which, why are you so concerned about NeoTifa. She played stupid, and hasn't really contributed, but why do you seem so convinced?

...that's really been bugging me actually. How could he not realize how scummy that seemed? How could he post something like that without the consent of the mafiosi? How could they approve of something like that? On day one no less!?

Hell if I'd know, I suppose he could've not even talked it over with his buddies. I remember tons of times I'd get angry at my allies when they'd post something stupid because it didn't get okay'd by the mafia xD DD was pretty stupid xD

I'm not going to comment on Yar-Yar obviously retailatory vote, haha, I love how he didn't even bother to give a reason other then "You try so hard but always give yourself away." Because that's persuasive. xD

Wait, is the day 24 hours? If so is it really about to end :eek:

[M] Anise

11-19-2008, 02:17 AM

Any idea what the vote count is?

[M] Gaius

11-19-2008, 02:18 AM

No :(

[M] Colette

11-19-2008, 02:20 AM

Well, time for me to head off to bed, so I'm going to give my vote and final analysis of the day.

This is what my gut, and several analysed posts tell me:

Loony BoB - electric toy Inexperienced townie
~Celes~ - Absent townie
Laddy - Godfather/power role or "laying low" goon.
Miriel - Gobo Outspoken, but often wrong, townie.
Aerith's knight - Regular townie
Yardrovitch - Awful goon or Horrible townie.
Neotifa - Scum(role is unclear)
Momiji - Goon or uninterested townie
Del Murder - Townie

All my suspects I have discussed in my previous posts. The rest is a vibe I get from reading their posts.

Gobo has always been an outspoken mafia player. I'm not suprised if he is very active.

Laddy just gives me the vibe of a goon that intends to flow beneath the radar. not inactive, not active.

Neotifa just makes my spidey sense tingle, and not in the good way.

Momiji gives me more of a feeling of: "I don't care, I'm here to screw with this game."

Before people go questioning me, I'll post this again: "All my suspects have been discussed in previous posts. If you respond with a WHY YOU SUSPECT ME?, I will bitchslap you and point you to my previous posts. That is all."

I had to choose between Laddy, Yar yar and Neotifa.

I'm going with Neotifa. Only if the mafia had an IQ of 40... combined, would they let Yar-yar post that. Whatever he is, he's still awful.

Laddy hasn't posted enough for me to make a full conclusion, only a gut feeling, so:

##vote: Neotifa

[M] Mom – Host

11-19-2008, 02:21 AM

day is over, thats it, no more votes will be counted, so stop posting please...

Final votecount and lynch coming soon...

LoM

[M] Anise

11-19-2008, 02:21 AM

I think NeoTifa is the one about to get lynched. I don't know whether to swich to Yars or not, he still seems suspicious to me and NeoTifa doesn't...

[M] Gaius

11-19-2008, 02:25 AM

Wrong? D: I don't know I always feel stupid thinking he's "Too obvious to be mafia." It just seems like if I thought like that mafia could just decide to be ridiculous and get away with whatever they want.

[M] Dave – Stepdad

11-19-2008, 02:28 AM

Aerith's Knight

I'm sure I miscounted some votes, but it looks like NeoTifa's in the lead with two.

[M] Dave – Stepdad

11-19-2008, 02:28 AM

Aerith's Knight

whoa whoa, maybe I should have refreshed the page before I started typing >.>

[M] Ron - Cop Dad

11-19-2008, 02:29 AM

I believe it's
3 for NeoTifa (Celes, AK, Goldenboko)
1 for Yaridovich (Miriel)
1 for Miriel (Yaridovich)
1 for Momiji (Laddy)
1 for BoB (Momiji)
1 for denmark (Loony BoB)

I saw Celes address my method of picking who to prod. all the inactives are pretty much the same shell, so I just pick one and random choice's feel like a good option for these early days. Later on of course it would be stupid to randomly pick a target, but in days 1 and 2 I think it's OK to start off some more discussion.

[M] Ron - Cop Dad

11-19-2008, 02:29 AM

Sorry Cid. I should use preview more often.

[M] Mom – Host

11-19-2008, 02:31 AM

(3)NeoTifa: Aerith's Knight, Celes, Goldonboko
(1)Loony BoB: Laddy, momiji,
(1)Momiji: Laddy, Miriel,
(1)Miriel: Yaridovich
(1) Denmark: Loony BoB

Not Voting...

NeoTifa, Dolentrean, Del Murder, The Summoner of Leviathan, Seargeant Hartman, Denmark, Psychotic, Miriel...

Thats a lot...

Neotifa dies, flavor coming in just a sec... It will be horrible though...

LoM

[M] Mom – Host

11-19-2008, 02:39 AM

NeoTifa was just walking along, talking to someone, and then... all of a sudden... FOOM!!!! Her electrons collapsed!!!! Well thats one down I guess...(its a joke my chemistry teacher made:eep:)

NeoTifa was a Commuter, played by ~*~Celes~*~

Night actions please

LoM

[M] Mom – Host

11-19-2008, 10:29 AM

Yardidovich was pulling another late night at the office, checking out all those damn
Ohioians. It was enough to make someone insane. He was starting to pull out another file,
when a voice behind him said "By the power of the Grayskull, you will die". Yardidovich
died, wishing he could revel his killer. Yardidovich was an Insane Cop, played by Denmark.

Elsewhere, Dolentrean was getting worried. It was almost day, but there was still time for someone to try to kill his cilent. Suddnel,
there was knocking on the door. Dol got out his gun and aimed it at the door, which Laddy burst though. They each looked at the other for a second
than fired and killed the other. Dol was the Elite Bodyguard played by f f freak, and Laddy was the SK played by qwerty.

24 hours until night, and with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

If a mod reads this, change the name to Finally, qwerty isn't Vanilla Town.

[M] Al - Biker Dad

11-19-2008, 10:42 AM

And here I was, about to write a long speech declaring why I was suspicious of Dolentrean. I was way off. :p

Yar's death confirms what I felt about him, uninterested town. I don't know why the Mafia would want to take him out, though. Unless they knew something we didn't. What's the mafia equivalent to investigator? They must have that.

Laddy being the Serial Killer destroys my inclination that he and Summoner were in cahoots.

Also, how can THAT many people not vote to lynch and get away with it? :mad2: I'm most suspicious of Denmark now. Also, Del Murder seems helpful. A bit too helpful. :shifty: I was sure the mafia would take her out.

[M] Anise

11-19-2008, 10:54 AM

Denmark has my suspicions too. There's still others who've been inactive for a while, but I can't recall them atm

[M] Anise

11-19-2008, 11:05 AM

Psy is also on my list. He hasn't posted very often, and a lot of what he's said has just been stating what has already taken place. Of course, I may have missed some posts, apologies if I have. Also, the "not voting in case of bandwagon" confuses me, surely those voting afterwards would look really suspicious if the person turned up town? I wouldn't think Psy would be suspicious for being the first vote.
That's all I've got for now, I'll probably head off to bed soon. Night guys

[M] Gaius

11-19-2008, 12:40 PM

I'd love to post all my thoughts, but I don't have that kind of time, as I'm headed to school, and I really need to review the game. I've played poorly, NeoTifa, and Yar-Yars were my number 3 and number 1. They're both dead and town. My gut told me Laddy at least I was right about that. I'll review the game more and sneak on during Robotics ;D

[M] Colette

11-19-2008, 01:14 PM

Well, at least 2 of my three scum guesses were right. I can still trust my gut on that ratio. At least we know that Dolentrean is town. The bodygaurd did her job, very nicely done.

To be honest, I have no real suspects left, except for Momiji, which wasn't a real strong one. This day will take some analysis.

[M] Colette

11-19-2008, 01:17 PM

Oh wait, nvm, I read that wrong.

Replace that with: "At least we got one of them."

[M] Al - Biker Dad

11-19-2008, 06:26 PM

I will not be able to be present until after this day is over. Following the rules WHICH WE ALL SHOULD, I'm going to vote, because it's mandatory, not an option. :mad2:

##Vote: Denmark

Make of it what you will.

Also, if our host finds it necessary to replace me, then so be it.

[M] Gaius

11-19-2008, 08:24 PM

At the end of yesterday my "Susipcion List" looked like this:

Yaridovich
Momiji
Laddy
NeoTifa
Inactives
Now here's what happened to the people on the list

Yardovich -Insane Cop
Momiji
Laddy -Serial Killer
NeoTifa- Commuter
Inactives
So, upon starting reviewing my susipicions looked like this.

Momiji
Inactives
So I've looked back, and here's my thoughts on the game!

I started with Momiji, I saw no reason to just ignore my thoughts on him because I was wrong with Yaridovich and NeoTifa.

I started by disecting his first post of this day.

Momiji;2596906']And here I was, about to write a long speech declaring why I was suspicious of Dolentrean. I was way off. :p
Yar's death confirms what I felt about him, uninterested town. I don't know why the Mafia would want to take him out, though. Unless they knew something we didn't. -Filler What's the mafia equivalent to investigator? They must have that.
Laddy being the Serial Killer destroys my inclination that he and Summoner were in cahoots.
Also, how can THAT many people not vote to lynch and get away with it? :mad2: -Filler I'm most suspicious of Denmark now. Also, Del Murder seems helpful. A bit too helpful. :shifty: I was sure the mafia would take her out.

And decided that was the most important sentence in the entire thing. Why is Denmark susipicious? Why does Del Murder seem helpful?

Then I went back to a post that still picks out to me.

Momiji;2596558']
Dolentrean;2596551']Currently, Momiji is definetly the most suspicious on my list, for reasons previously stated above. He also purposely dodged a question NeoTifa asked, so I'll repost it.

So, Momiji, answer my question: Why did you follow Laddy blindly like that?
Momiji quoted the question yet never answered it.I voted for BoB because even with Laddy's attempt to spark discussion, nothing was happening. With two votes against BoB, people actually started to talk. I got my desired result.

Aerith's Knight;2596547"]
Momiji;2596539']

As far as suspicions, I am rather suspicious of you; AK; Leviathan, Summoner of; and Laddy.

o.o

Care to elaborate? Not just about me, either S:I find NeoTifa suspicious because of just the way she's been acting. That might be just because of her role-playing though. -Old Information But, the going back and forth between NeoTifa and AK gives me suspicion of them both. -No real reasoning behind this.
Laddy and Summoner are suspicious because they seem quick to throw suspicion on me. -Retaliatory

There isn't anything about that post I don't find bad or scummy. It gives us nothing on his opinions on things, and he just openly retaliates against Laddy and SoL.

Final Day Vote History:

Day 1- Miriel
Day 2- Loony BoB

His voting history is also scummy. He's made little votes, imo trying to just glide through the day. He made a vote on me day one with no reason, then voted Loony BoB early to prod him, but never unvoted and voted somewhere where his vote would make a difference!

Inactive List:
1. Psychotic- 4 posts in 2 days? He's not going to help the town
2. Denmark- See Psychotic.
3. ~*~Celes~*~- See Denmark.
4. Seargent Hartman See ~*~Celes~*~.

If they aren't replaced eventually, I'm going to assume one of them is mafia being purposely inactive, but 4 seems a bit little. Doesn't seem likely that they're REALLY mafia, just inactive town that needs to be replaced so we can get an accurate read on them.

"Gliders"

I think these are the people I think are most likely to be mafia trying to just "glide through days". The Summoner of Leviathan, and Loony BoB. I think these two should speak up, give opinions, and contribute.

[M] Caprica

11-19-2008, 08:48 PM

Ok I finally have a day off (yesterday I was more busy then I thought and wasn't able to get on most of the day) but here I am now.

So far the most suspicious person in my eye is Momiji, and not just because he voted for me, he just kind of gives me a bad vibe, but I can't really condemn him till I actually read over the thread more (god Disgaea calls to me to play so badly).

Miriel I think is more then likely townie at this point and time because well, she hasn't been doing anything to really hurt town and makes good points.

Everyone else hasn't really stuck out to me enough or I haven't read enough of their posts to really get a good reading beyond the typical mafia banter we do.

[M] Dee

11-19-2008, 08:53 PM

Hogod, that's practically all of my suspicion list. I'm gonna have to go back and read some. I guess I'll post so you know that I'm not trying to "glide through days."
P:

[M] Caprica

11-19-2008, 09:33 PM

Rereading some stuff, Summoner caught my eye as did Sergeant Hartmen. Summoner is another person who just gives off some vibes, and Sergeant a couple pages back did a kind of whole list of "I think these people could be suspicious" which would be a decent move for Mafia, throw out a lot of people who you could find suspicion in, so that later reference it for a reason to vote someone off.

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-20-2008, 12:04 AM

Denmark;2597028']Rereading some stuff, Summoner caught my eye as did Sergeant Hartmen. Summoner is another person who just gives off some vibes, and Sergeant a couple pages back did a kind of whole list of "I think these people could be suspicious" which would be a decent move for Mafia, throw out a lot of people who you could find suspicion in, so that later reference it for a reason to vote someone off.

How is that suspicious? Isn't that the whole point of a suspicion list? ( Which I've also clearly stated in other posts that I loosely follow it and only used it for the spur of the moment. )

Miriel basically confirmed what I said about Momiji a while back--his/her's awkward voting patterns.

I don't have much to say now, because I'm more focused on Momiji, who sadly won't be here for the remainder of the day.

At least let me ask what "vibes" you're getting from TSoL, Yaridovich?

It's nice that some of you are turning up now, but I'd also like to see some life from Psychotic as well, but I'm not too focused on Psy yet.

[M] Caprica

11-20-2008, 12:39 AM

Throwing out a bunch of names and hoping one of 'em sticks is called spaghetti plating.

As for Summoner and Momiji, they both give me some impression of contributing, but only enough to fly under the radar, yet not seem inactive.

Yars seems more town to me at the moment then scum.

[M] Gaius

11-20-2008, 12:40 AM

Yars is dead guys.

[M] Dee

11-20-2008, 01:13 AM

Yeah, seriously.
Pay attention plx.

I think I'm going to have to agree and say Momiji is highest on my supicion list. The only one near that is TSoL, but I may just be paranoid about that. It's just that, looking back on the DD lynch vote, TSoL decided casually that he was voting DD pretty close to the end there, maybe in an attempt to disassociate himself from DD, who we know now to be scum.

Of course, it could be completely reasonable and I'm just being paranoid.
P:

And that pretty much sums up my thoughts right now. Nothing else worth mentioning anyway.
:S

It's not enough for me to vote Momiji yet, so I'll just stand for now.

[M] Colette

11-20-2008, 01:14 AM

Miriel;2597089']Yars is dead guys.

Talk about a bunch of observant types, huh? xD

I think I'll make an update, although there isn't much to go on yet. Too much inactivity.

[M] Dave – Stepdad

11-20-2008, 01:19 AM

Aerith's Knight

More to come, but first I want to get this paranoid theory off my chest that's been nagging me for awhile now. The more I think about it the likelier it seems, and my partner doesn't totally disagree so I'm not completely crazy...

Demon Dude;2595784']I don't, Celes.

Regarding GoBo, your logic seems flawed. To be honest, it seems like you're trying to point the finger at me and Miriel to get out of the hot seat. Sure, I swap moods, but hey dosen't everybody? If you think voting for me simply because I change moods then I suppose eveyone's guilty in your book.

My argument with Miriel was simply strategy, we were discussing tactics, you've done it, I've done it, we've all done it. If you want to place the blame on me for playing the game, then fine. But you go first. Yeah, I think some people should be lynched, there are some cancers that will sometimes need to be cut out. Think of it like this...

You have a football team. (As in football, I mean soccer.) You require eight players for a game. You have eleven overall. One player is terrible, troublesome, and rather than being useless, he is actually hurting the team. So, you cut him out, he's a cancer, sure, he's a number for the team, but by cutting him him out you lose a detriment to the team and you can focus on what the team's there for-footie.

So, one who places needless accusations on people for doing something everyone, including the accuser, has done, then you are one thing. A cancer.

So, if you wish to hinder our progress on catching scum by placing the blame on anyone who actually gives a damn about it, fine by me. But you are NOT going to last long with it. Sorry, but this cancer's got to be cut out.

##Vote-Goldenboko

This was totally and completely random and made zero sense. So we all lynched him:

Goldenboko;2595789']

I didn't even know I was in the hotseat. :p I merely gave my analysis on what happened.

Discussing tactics does not include voting for each other. Discussing tactics merely involves, well, discussing tactics. xD

Very shaky foundation to be casting a vote against me. If suspecting people to be mafia is a cancer within this game, we may as well die of multi-system-organ-failure right now. I was actually leaning more towards Neotifa, but thank you for making this so much easier for me. :)

##vote: Demon Dude

I'm off to bed now, I don't know if I'll be back in time for the end(school and all), so I voted now. Until tomorrow!

Dolentrean;2595880']Just a quick post before I have to go to school. I doubt if I'll get on before the day ends so I'll cast my vote.

##Vote: Demon Dude

He really seems to be swapping between angry and attacking, to calm and laying low. I know he said about everyone doing it, but he keeps swapping between two extremes really. Yeah, I'm going now.

The Summoner of Leviathan;2595905']This day seems to be dragging on. I expected it to be over by the time I got up this morning, but I guess it works in my favour as I forgot to vote last night.

##Vote: Demon Dude

He seems far too jumpy and argumentative for my liking. That's all I have to go on though so I'll probably change my vote before the day ends.

Hopefully nobody noticed that I accidently posted that with my real account first :p

Miriel;2595956']Not working in class is fun! :jess:

As far as today, I feel Demon Dude is the correct choice. The first thing he did was give "advice" that can only distract the town, that listening to his first "tip" would have us make ridiculous lynches on annoying players, and not scum.

His arguments have been flawed and false. His argument against Goldenboko is obviously retaliatory, an newbie tactic for mafia, "discredit whom who tries to discredit you."

Other than DD, Psychotic, Momiji, Denmark, Sarge, and BoB all ring bells for different type of inactivity. If they do not begin posting soon and are not replaced we cannot rule out the chance of their inactivity being purposeful. Especially Momiji with his "My vote is correct for unsaid reasons," and Sarge with, "Becareful for inactives, excluding me of course!"

NeoTifa bugs me for her stupid card. I don't care if it was on purpose, it's a mafia tactic town has no reason to purposely act stupid other then trying to glide through and survive.

~*~Celes~*~"]
Gah, sorry, I actually did something this weekend.
>.>

Anyway, despite what has been said, I'm not sure that I'm too suspicious of NeoTifa, even with the grammar-swap.

Day one horrors are all we have to look forward to right now though. I honestly see nothing worth mentioning, except for the fact that Demon Dude seems very jumpy.
And that being only slightly worth mentioning.

Again, day one jazz though.

I'll have to go back and read more in-depth. For right now, I'm gonna rush and go with Demon Dude. I hope I'm not being baised. If I am, sorry Demon Dude.
=[

And, gah, thanks for the pointles vote, Miriel; it shows how much you care.
D:

Woot. Let's get started.
:D

##Vote: Demon Dude

So he dies. And he was a mafia Goon. And get this, he doesn't attempt to defend himself...at all. He doesn't urge us to vote Goldenboko...he doesn't even try to look convinced after the first vote. He just lays down and dies. Nobody defends him, nobody says, "well, let's not be too hasty here..." we all just pile on the votes.

Insane Paranoid Theory:

He was a sacrifice. Surely it's worth it to sacrifice one plain ol' goon early on if it means ensuring your mafia friends live throughout the rest of the game.

Notice how Dolentrean, Celes, and TSoL say pretty much the same thing when voting DD. If my little theory is at all accurrate, I would say either TSoL or Celes (low lying mafioso) and Miriel or Goldenboko (DD argued strongly against them before that one weird football metaphor) could be scum.

<HR>

...but anyway, onto the sane stuff:

Number one on my list is ~*~Celes~*~

~*~Celes~*~;2596756']I'm not sure I like how NeoTifa attacks Laddy for "prodding" inactives and then casually posts a list of most inactive players.

I understand the point of view Yari is speaking from, referring to inactivity, but I'll let paraoia get the better of me, as I'd rather not trust anyone too much yet.
;P

Also, I don't quite like Laddy's method of randomly drawing names. I guess it could make things simpler this early in the game, but it could become a liability as we progress. I assume that you plan on discontinuing this method, maybe even after today.

Anyway, on to suspiciousness.

Miriel seems intelligent. That could be a good thing or a bad thing. It's not that I'm suspicious of you, it just seems that you stick out a lot.

I'm not too sure about Yaridovich. On one hand, you've basically come into the game defending yourself, whic can make you seem suspicious, but is very necessary in your situation. On the other hand, you completely admitted that you've been lurking. That screams guilt to me, sorry.

Day one, I was actually considering swapping my vote to NeoTifa, but decided against it when I saw a certain few of DD's posts. You stick out too, NeoTifa, but you seem to be working more for yourself, rather than working towards the root of things, as I feel Laddy is doing.

I'm not suspicious enough of anyone yet to vote though, so I'll leave it at that.

Eet tiem.
Lengthier post than usual, but pretty much saying the same thing everyone else was saying.

~*~Celes~*~;2596775']Gah, I thought we had more time.
I'm gonna have to go with

##Vote: NeoTifa

She's highest on my suspicion list, even small as it is.
Everyone is tied at 1 vote per person voted for, and she quickly comes in and votes within the last five minutes, pretty much ensuring that NeoTifa dies.

~*~Celes~*~;2597012']Hogod, that's practically all of my suspicion list. I'm gonna have to go back and read some. I guess I'll post so you know that I'm not trying to "glide through days."
P:
Not convinced, pretty much every post of yours is in this one post here :spin:

...more sane stuff to come probably...I do have other suspicions xD

[M] Colette

11-20-2008, 01:25 AM

My list is pretty weak at the moment:

Town: AK, Miriel, Del Murder and Loony BoB
Inactive: Denmark(yes, I'm still counting you), Psychotic &others not in the rest of the list.

Scum: Momiji, ~Celes~, Serg. Hartman

Momiji I have explained yesterday, he gives off the feeling of an uninterest townie or absent goon(votes, but doesn't do much else)

~Celes~ is a new one. She hasn't posted long but I get the same feeling I had with laddy. Someone trying to stay under the radar. Not giving any reason to vote for Neotifa, and inactivity started that line of thinking. Call it a gut feeling. I don't trust it anymore, seeing as only 2 out of the 3 turned out mafia, so I will refrain from voting atm.

Serg. Hartman seems like a newbie goon to me. Like someone who wants to post, but is held back by more experienced mafia. I'll analyse his posts a bit more after some more posts.

Overall notice: Inactivity on day 3 is fail!

[M] Caprica

11-20-2008, 01:34 AM

Miriel;2597089']Yars is dead guys.

God I feel dumb now. XD

This whole having the players be the same people in the game is confusing me so much. XD

[M] Gaius

11-20-2008, 01:35 AM

Pft everyone shows up once I go play a video game, reading over posts brb.

[M] Gaius

11-20-2008, 01:58 AM

@AK: Your theory is possible, in fact, one of the people who tacted on the vote is most likely imo, ~*~Celes~*~ or The Summoner of Leviathan most likely. With that said, the fact they voted for DD isn't enough for me to vote for them, and imo me and Goldenboko should have less susipicion on us not more. when it comes down to it, me and GoBo's vote and opinions pushed DD over the edge to death, and caused the bandwagon on Demon Dude. Especially Goldenboko, DD targetted him, DD was mafia, arguing otherwise seems susipicous until GB does something worth of susipicion!

After reviewing ~*~Celes~*~ has worked off my inactive and onto my susipicion list. With little posts she gave me a bit of an illusion of being here. Seems like she's trying to breeze through the days, and her votes have been susipicius. Last minute tack ons to NeoTifa and DD.

My susipicion list is such:

1. Momiji
2. Celes
3. TSoL
4. AK (Only slightly, because she's tried to raise doubt on Goldenboko, who imo, has confirmed himself and I remember a lot of games were mafioso were the ones always trying to "unconfirm" confirmed townies).
4. Inactives

[M] Felix

11-20-2008, 01:59 AM

Oh wow, lots of posts while I've been socializing. Sorry guys that I haven't been here today. Give me a little bit and i'll read over today's discussions.

[M] Gaius

11-20-2008, 02:00 AM

lol 4. inactives is suppose to say "5. inactives"

[M] Colette

11-20-2008, 02:08 AM

Miriel;2597123']lol 4. inactives is suppose to say "5. inactives"

Dear God, man, you're right!

This totally changes everything. Let's lock up the dead people in a closet, stop all discussion for today and totally focus on this travesty.

I couldn't resist. xD

[M] Colette

11-20-2008, 02:13 AM

Aerith's Knight;2597100"]More to come, but first I want to get this paranoid theory off my chest that's been nagging me for awhile now. The more I think about it the likelier it seems, and my partner doesn't totally disagree so I'm not completely crazy...

Demon Dude;2595784']I don't, Celes.

Regarding GoBo, your logic seems flawed. To be honest, it seems like you're trying to point the finger at me and Miriel to get out of the hot seat. Sure, I swap moods, but hey dosen't everybody? If you think voting for me simply because I change moods then I suppose eveyone's guilty in your book.

My argument with Miriel was simply strategy, we were discussing tactics, you've done it, I've done it, we've all done it. If you want to place the blame on me for playing the game, then fine. But you go first. Yeah, I think some people should be lynched, there are some cancers that will sometimes need to be cut out. Think of it like this...

You have a football team. (As in football, I mean soccer.) You require eight players for a game. You have eleven overall. One player is terrible, troublesome, and rather than being useless, he is actually hurting the team. So, you cut him out, he's a cancer, sure, he's a number for the team, but by cutting him him out you lose a detriment to the team and you can focus on what the team's there for-footie.

So, one who places needless accusations on people for doing something everyone, including the accuser, has done, then you are one thing. A cancer.

So, if you wish to hinder our progress on catching scum by placing the blame on anyone who actually gives a damn about it, fine by me. But you are NOT going to last long with it. Sorry, but this cancer's got to be cut out.

##Vote-Goldenboko

This was totally and completely random and made zero sense. So we all lynched him:

Well, not exactly. :)

I actually made this post before that:

Goldenboko;2595733']Ok, lot's of things to cover I see.

Now there are four people I have my eyes on now:

In the case of Miriel, qwerty really sums it up quite nicely in this post:

qwertyxsora;2595637']Generaly if you say something sucks or that you hate it, its rare that you AREN"T displeased with it.
Pointless squabbling over a definition asside, keeping an eye on Miriel now too.
1) Twice now she has gotten in pointless debates, once with DD and now with Dolt.
2) Going after DD for being 'Forceful' with Dolt. First off I don't see him being all that forceful, just pointing out possible reasons. Secondly because don't yo WANT to be forceful with those who haven't contributed to get them to? Its hardly a bad thing in most cases, and in this case I don't see how it could be bad, so it seems odd to talk as though it is.
[/b]##unvote: Doltrean[/b]
I can't help but wonder what my rival thinks of this?

That and the fact that her arguments with DD seem a little.. fake. Not in that they didn't happen, but more in the fact that mafia often vote for each other on day one, then unvote later on. With that they fight a lot with each other, just to show that they aren't friendly with each other. I'll keep my eye on her posts, but it doesn't warrant a vote yet.

In the case of DD, I can't really say that this connection with Miriel bothers me, it's more the way he posts. Agressive, then docile. Often an strategy of Mafia who recognize that nobody rallies around them.

Then there's qwerty. He's been observant. Highly observant and moderatly aggressive. The kind of observant and aggressive a normal townie isn't. It could also be the real Goldenboko, who is usually very involved. And by involved I mean until the point of obsessive. :p But as he could just as well be a power role(who often feel the need to get involved), I will merely keep an eye out at any pattern in his posts.

Then the final contestant, Neotifa. I know who this is. Mostly because of the typing roleplaying fiasco. And I know this person only roleplays extreme stupid newbie when he/she has something to hide. But no contribution isn't really her/his style. An enigma wrapped in a puzzle wrapped in a soft deli taco with sour cream.

I'm balancing my vote between Neotifa and Demon Dude right now. I'll give my first real vote in a few hours.

Wouldn't it be a bit weird to call attention to a strategy I would be using? :bigsmile:

DD's big attack was merely a retaliatory strike against me, which pushed me over the edge to vote for him.

[M] Dee

11-20-2008, 02:21 AM

Aerith's Knight;2597100"](stuff)xD

I voted DD strictly based on the fact that I found him to be suspicious. We got lucky first lynch and started the game out well.

NeoTifa was suspicious. I didn't even realize that the day was almost up. If you hadn't have let everyone know, time would've slipped by and I wouldn't have voted at all. Thanks. So I voted NeoTifa, though I guess based on wrong reasoning. To be absolutely honest, it probably would've taken a lot to sway me from voting NeoTifa, considering the fact that I had almost no suspicions. Too early on, I think.

So second lynching didn't go too well. On top of that, another potential help for the town was killed. We did get one Mafian, so I guess it's pretty evened out right now, but still. It's demoralizing.

Hah. Exactly. Every one of my posts explains perfectly that I'm having trouble pinning my suspicions on any one person in particular. I guess I can understand how that would make me look suspicious.
P:

[M] Felix

11-20-2008, 03:25 AM

Wow I procrastinated with reading this.

My Suspicious list (in no order):
TSoL
Celes
Momiji
Denmark

Townies (again no order):
Miriel
AK
Gobo

Dunno:
Hartman
BoB
Psy

I don't think I missed anyone.

AK came up with a very good point about DD being a sacrifice. He's kinda right. No one did defend him, but then again do you really think mafia would link themselves on day one? If they saw him going down would they hop on and link themselves with him even though it was overwhelming on his vote count? It's a good theory but I dunno if it is right. That's why it's a theory.

Again AK pointed out celes's faults. Also her recent post "I did some things, I guess that's why i'm suspicious." I dunno you'd think you'd have some suspicions on someone. Just little inklings are ok but when we're presenting so much info, it's sometimes better if you DO look at what people say and base your own suspicions on theirs. If you really can't figure someone else to vote for don't be afraid to put a little trust in others.

Before I thought some people were hoping on the momiji thing too quick but now that I look at the rest of that day and today I can see why he's suspicious. Some of you make very convincing cases.

And Denmark. Too, I don't know, under the radar? He said he had time today but he hardly posted. He just gives me bad vibes. That's really my suspicion of him right now.

I'll vote since I don't know if i'll be back in time.

##VOTE: Celes

For reasons i've said and reasons others have.

[M] Dee

11-20-2008, 04:22 AM

Del Murder;2597161']Again AK pointed out celes's faults. Also her recent post "I did some things, I guess that's why i'm suspicious." I dunno you'd think you'd have some suspicions on someone. Just little inklings are ok but when we're presenting so much info, it's sometimes better if you DO look at what people say and base your own suspicions on theirs. If you really can't figure someone else to vote for don't be afraid to put a little trust in others.

It's not quite that I'm saying that's why I'm suspicious. I meant that, if I were looking at it from someone else's point of view, I would think that it was suspicious, so I completely understand the reasoning.

There's a difference between entertaining the reasoning behind someone's theories and trusting them. I don't trust anyone. And reasonably. Sorry.

Also, I'm going to go ahead and vote now. I'm not sure if I'll be back in time, and I need sleep horribly. I'm voting The Summoner of Leviathan hypocritically because of his last minute vote for DD. Maybe it's just bad play on my part with some naivety and paranoia added into the mix, but I'm thinking along the same lines as AK. I hadn't even realized before AK mentioned it that I'd voted in almost the same way, just earlier. So, slighly hypocritical, but reasonable.

I don't think my voting for DD was unreasonable at all. And it wasn't unreasonable for anyone else to vote either, so why pick out just a few of us? Like I said, I wasn't even completely sure that I was going to vote DD day one. I said that I was wondering about switching to NeoTifa, though my reasoning may have been slightly flawed, but I didn't because a few things came up and I forgot to get back here in time. Not that I couldn't have - I just didn't. I figured my reasoning was fine in DD's case anyway, so I assumed it to be fine.

I do admit that the fact that no one defended him, now that you mention it, is slightly suspicious. But couldn't that just have been because everyone found him suspicious? I find it likely. DD led by a lot of votes, all of which were rightly founded. So the fact that I voted early and happened to decide to stick with my vote makes me suspicious?

I guess.

Anyway, I'm going to bed.
Night.
:P

##Vote: The Summoner of Leviathan

[M] Caprica

11-20-2008, 05:52 AM

Well I need a vote in since I forgot the other days. So I'm going with Summoner for if the day ends before I wake up tomorrow.

##Vote: The Summoner of Leviathan

[M] Mom – Host

11-20-2008, 06:37 AM

VOTE COUNT

[2] TSoL- Denmark, ~*~Celes~*~
[1] Denmark- Momiji
[1] ~*~Celes~*~- Del Murder

Not Voting: Miriel, SH, TSoL, Psy, AK, Loony BoB, Gobo

[M] Mom – Host

11-20-2008, 06:39 AM

3 hours 50 minutes to night time.

[M] Anise

11-20-2008, 07:01 AM

~*~Celes~*~;2596775']Gah, I thought we had more time.
I'm gonna have to go with

##Vote: NeoTifa

She's highest on my suspicion list, even small as it is.

~*~Celes~*~;2597140']
Aerith's Knight;2597100"](stuff)xD

I voted DD strictly based on the fact that I found him to be suspicious. We got lucky first lynch and started the game out well.

NeoTifa was suspicious. I didn't even realize that the day was almost up. If you hadn't have let everyone know, time would've slipped by and I wouldn't have voted at all. Thanks. So I voted NeoTifa, though I guess based on wrong reasoning. To be absolutely honest, it probably would've taken a lot to sway me from voting NeoTifa, considering the fact that I had almost no suspicions. Too early on, I think.

The bolded parts seem to contradict each other, which has made me highly suspicious right now.

[M] Anise

11-20-2008, 07:11 AM

I don't like how Denmark voted for TSoL without any reasoning. Despite this, I still think Celes is the most scummy at this time, so my vote goes to her for now.

##Vote: Celes

[M] Colette

11-20-2008, 08:34 AM

I have like -2 minutes to write this, so here I go.

I am inclined to vote Momiji, but last time I had to choose between my gut and who seemed most suspisious, I picked the wrong one. So I'm going with my gut. If I'm wrong today I promise not to do that anymore. :p

##vote: ~Celes~

Boy, this is kinda the same as killing her myself, isn't it? :( Stupid deciding vote.

[M] Mom – Host

11-20-2008, 09:14 AM

VOTE COUNT

[3] ~*~Celes~*~- Del Murder, Loony BoB, Gobo
[2] TSoL- Denmark, ~*~Celes~*~
[1] Denmark- Momiji

Not Voting: Miriel, SH, TSoL, Psy, AK

[M] Mom – Host

11-20-2008, 09:15 AM

1 hour 15 left to night.

[M] Anise

11-20-2008, 09:46 AM

Those who haven't voted really need to work harder, we need more discussion and voting~

[M] Anise

11-20-2008, 11:00 AM

Should be over now, shouldn't it? People need to vote, you're holding the game up guys :)

[M] Athena

11-20-2008, 11:35 AM

I'm not surprised I'm on the chopping block. I know I haven't posted much, but that's because I don't feel like I have anything useful to contribute, not because I'm trying to fly under anyone's radar. Anyway, my vote is purely to save myself, and because I'm interested in knowing who's playing her.

##Vote: ~*~Celes~*~

Accuse me of bandwagoning or being scum if you will, I have nothing to hide. Much like 'GoBo is always Mafia', I'm always town :tongue:

[M] Gaius

11-20-2008, 12:06 PM

Crap. Sorry I forgot to vote before going to sleep guys D:

If I was to vote I probably would've voted for Momiji.

[M] Gaius

11-20-2008, 12:36 PM

EDIT BY WAY OF POST: TSoL. Wtf? Again you miss the entire day >:0 Yeah your vote wouldn't even count anyway, day's over >:0

[M] Athena

11-20-2008, 12:42 PM

Cid hasn't officially closed the day yet so I got my vote in last minute. You got a problem with that GoBo?

[M] Gaius

11-20-2008, 12:46 PM

Hasn't closed it because he isn't here, as far as I see it, the timelimit still ran out :bounce:

[M] Athena

11-20-2008, 12:55 PM

I still voted at least, so I can't be accused of abstaining. I would've voted earlier but I woke up late. That's not a crime :tongue:

[M] Dave – Stepdad

11-20-2008, 04:38 PM

Aerith's Knight

Goodness...I'm not going to bother because it wouldn't count, but my vote would have gone to Celes (I asked my partner to do that before logging off when I went to bed xD).

Anywayz.

It's DD not defending himself that bothered me more than other people not defending him. But whatever.

[M] Mom – Host

11-20-2008, 08:16 PM

[4] ~*~Celes~*~- Del Murder, Loony BoB, Gobo, TSoL
[2] TSoL- Denmark, ~*~Celes~*~
[1] Denmark- Momiji

Not Voting: Miriel, SH, Psy, AK

Celes was just walking along. She saw the swirl of collasped nuclei as she walked past the body of NeoTifa. She sat there for a long long time trying to bring her back to life, because she was an inventor, and I guess thats a scientist... She ended up creating a black hole on accident and narrowly escaped getting sucked into it... Then Stephen Hawking came by and said some stuff so smart that Celes brain exploded... So she died...

[M] ~*~Celes~*~ was an Inventor, played by Death By Moogles

Crappy flavor by LoM

Night actions now!

LoM

[M] Mom – Host

11-21-2008, 05:44 AM

Gobo was sitting down for some Gysahl Green Cake while watching a late night movie. After finishing it, and the movie, there was a knock at his door. The person at it asked"Did you order the fish?" "yes, that was me." replied Gobo. After taking a nice long sniff, he died due to poison that was activated by smelling dead fish. Gobo was a Vanilla Townie played by AK.

With 10 left it takes 6 to lynch. 24 hours starts now.

[M] Anise

11-21-2008, 08:17 AM

Gah, we're not doing too well now. I won't be on for a while, because my brother needs the computer for his assignments. Hopefully there'll be some more discussion, I just hate that I won't be here for it.

[M] Gaius

11-21-2008, 01:07 PM

After reviewing the thread during the night phase... The Summoner of Leviathan is scum. I say that confidently, I would be shocked to see it otherwise.

The Summoner of Leviathan;2596645']
Miriel;2596632']Alright, SoL, what do you feel about me, NeoTifa, Momiji, and Laddy?
I already gave my thoughts on NeoTifa, Momiji and Laddy. As for you, you're smart. You might be scum, you might not be. I honestly can't tell either way. I can tell you have a power role though, which hopefully is one that benefits the town.

Look at how scummy this post is. First he refuses to give us information on NeoTifa, Momiji, and Laddy. Then he completely sits fence on me. Why? Afraid to state your mind? I know I've done some scummy things, but sitting fence that badly could only be because he doesn't want to have me rip him appart and reveal him for scum. Now look at that last one, power role speculation. I probably would've died that night if it wasn't for my some good, and bad luck. Didn't anyone else find Yar-Yars death a bit, strange? He was easily up for the chopping block soon if the mafia made pushed for his death, I was easily convinced.

ROLECLAIM+THEORY: I think I was targetted that night by the mafia NOT Yar-Yars, for the above stated post, the mafia thought I had a power role. Then why did Yaridovich die? Because I am a NEXUS my role reflected the attack off of me and onto Yar-Yars! Which is why I am still alive, and why Yaridovich, an unlikely candidate for a death that night, died.

His votes have been easy and obvious. Bandwagons on NeoTifa, saves himself (by the time the day is over I may add trying to make himself "appear" to be here), and this is the most revealing to me, his vote on Demon Dude. His vote on Demon Dude was based entirely on other peoples susipicion, and was icing on the cake. By that time it was clear DD was going to die, his vote was just to try and clear himself. AK already stated that he thinks a mafioso was in on the DD kill, I agreed but said I didn't think it was me, or Goldenboko. I thought it was ~*~Celes~*~ or TSoL. Goldenboko, and Celes are dead (I know I'm the Nexus so I know I ain't the mafioso who did it). TSoL is still alive, his vote is clearly the one to try and skew the votecount!

As for TSoL's posts, they've all rung scum to me. Remember early on when qwerty joke "YOU JOKEVOTED YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE SCUM". Remember how defensive TSoL got? I think TSoL was instructed to lay low by smarter mafia the moment that happened, so he wouldn't repeat mistakes.

I have to go now, please consider what I have said. Also, I will not be here on Saturday. I do not want to be replaced though, I've come this far, if the night phase goes right I may miss little anyway.

##vote: The Summoner of Leviathan

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-21-2008, 03:37 PM

I might as well just spill the beans now, since I'm going absolutely nowhere. I'm the Skitzo. Yes, a fracking Skitzo. Every night I can target someone and one of these things can happen: kill them, investigate them, protect them, or do nothing. I have high doubts this is all at random because I have a 50% chance of finding out their role no matter what and so far my results have been great.[/sarcasm] ( Killing them would just let the other players know too. )

Night 1 I targeted Miriel, because the whole "Gobo is always Mafia" was sadly all I had to go by, and I got no results.

Night 2 I targeted Momiji who was at the top of my suspicion list--no results.

Night 3 I targeted Del Murder, just to see if the Skitzo was actually worth something, and to my surprise--no results.

Why am I saying this? You should already know Town is playing a losing game and I'd like to eliminate my name from any suspicion lists as best as I can. Inactives are to blame, so I'm also to blame. But at least I have some posts. Yesterday there were no traces of Psychotic whatsoever.

The funny thing is though, if I were the Mafia I'd have killed the most active posters off from the start...like Miriel. I mean, if the Mafia has a combined IQ higher than 50, then surely they would've eliminated the most hyperactive Townie especially in this kind of game where you have a crapload of inactives. But had Miriel not roleclaimed Nexus, I would've thought he was Mafia and would've gotten a guaranteed vote from me.

All I have to go by is what you say about TSoL so here I go.

##Vote: [M] TSoL

[M] Dave – Stepdad

11-21-2008, 05:26 PM

Aerith's Knight

I concur :holmes:

I'm not so sure about that Schitzo roleclaim, though...I mean isn't that pretty much Jack of All Trades?

Imma wait until my partner and I can converse before voting or really getting into big discussion.

(So don't speed lynch, please xD)

[M] Caprica

11-21-2008, 07:09 PM

Well this sure is an interesting start to the day. 2 role claims and a dead GoBo.

I'm somewhat inclined to believe Miriel's theory as it does make some good sense and would help back up my suspicions towards Summoner. Though I'm a paranoid bastard and the role claim makes me not want to believe it just because Nexus is one of those unprovable ones and a decent one for Mafia to roleclaim.

Sergeant's role claim I'm slightly more inclined to believe just because it's not the standard claim mafian's try to make. But then again we've seen some crazy claims here at EoFF.

[M] Felix

11-21-2008, 07:16 PM

DAMN YOU MIRIEL >:/ now it seems like I'm bandwagoning.

I think TSoL is scummy. I just feel it in my gut.

The Summoner of Leviathan;2597271']I'm not surprised I'm on the chopping block. I know I haven't posted much, but that's because I don't feel like I have anything useful to contribute, not because I'm trying to fly under anyone's radar. Anyway, my vote is purely to save myself, and because I'm interested in knowing who's playing her.

##Vote: ~*~Celes~*~

Accuse me of bandwagoning or being scum if you will, I have nothing to hide. Much like 'GoBo is always Mafia', I'm always town :tongue:
The day was over, Celes had a lead vote over him. There was no need to try to save himself. I think he was just trying to set up a vote so he couldn't be led back to anyone. Or maybe he was voting so he voted and wouldn't be yelled at for that, but he bandwagoned so it wouldn't be suspicious.

The Summoner of Leviathan;2596705']I hope I don't sound like I'm bandagoning, but I think Yar-Yars is either a scum trying to lay low, or someone who just cba with playing, in which case he should be replaced.

He keeps trying to say he's avoiding bandwagoning but he keeps doing it! It's like he's using that as his cover. "i'm not bandwagoning so i'll vote them even though I really am just bandwagonning".

Even by his own logic, He's laying low. He says he's active so it's not the cba playing style. He's around just not here. When he does show up he just skims the thread and throws a bandwagon vote.

I dunno I feel in my gut TSoL is scum. If i'm wrong, well i wont trust my gut again lol.

##Vote: TSoL

Oh yeah, hartman, you didn't get anything cause I can't do anything. :P Just Vanilla Townie here.

[M] Felix

11-21-2008, 07:18 PM

EDIT BY POSTING: Whoops didn't see your post ak about speed lynching. I dunno if i'll be around most this day I have class registrations. So I was getting my vote down.

[M] Gaius

11-21-2008, 07:45 PM

I'm quite aware that my roleclaim is unprovable. But hey, I'm not going to lie to you all. Again, I think my theory makes sense, and I think TSoL is mafia.

[M] Athena

11-21-2008, 11:20 PM

Del Murder;2597710']
He keeps trying to say he's avoiding bandwagoning but he keeps doing it! It's like he's using that as his cover. "i'm not bandwagoning so i'll vote them even though I really am just bandwagonning".

Even by his own logic, He's laying low. He says he's active so it's not the cba playing style. He's around just not here. When he does show up he just skims the thread and throws a bandwagon vote.

I dunno I feel in my gut TSoL is scum. If i'm wrong, well i wont trust my gut again lol.

You won't be trusting your gut again after this then. I've said time and time again that anything I have to say has been said before so anything I say will get me accused of bandwagoning. As for the voting late thing, Cid counted it, and saying it was to save myself was in case anyone else showed up late to vote me. I haven't got the smarts to be scum, or you'd know for certain by now that I am and I would've been lynched days ago.

Miriel;2597628']
As for TSoL's posts, they've all rung scum to me. Remember early on when qwerty joke "YOU JOKEVOTED YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE SCUM". Remember how defensive TSoL got? I think TSoL was instructed to lay low by smarter mafia the moment that happened, so he wouldn't repeat mistakes.

As I previously said, I mistook that for a real vote, and defending myself seemed the only option. Until I reread it and realised qwerty was joking however. Is it a crime to defend myself? No, it is not. That's the whole point of Mafia. I may not be a very good player but if I was Mafia I wouldn't have been dumb enough to make a move like that, jokevote or not. Tell me GoBo, which side are you really on? You're either a very smart townie, or scum. I still can't tell either way, and remember, if I was scum I'd know which side you were on and I sure as hell wouldn't argue with my own teammates. Therefore my only logical explanaton is that you're scum.

##Vote: Miriel

[M] Al - Biker Dad

11-21-2008, 11:37 PM

:/

This game has too much inactivity. I'd vote Denmark again, if it weren't for these developments concerning TSoL.

##Vote: TSoL

[M] Al - Biker Dad

11-21-2008, 11:43 PM

*sigh*

Forgot to explain why I'd vote Denmark.

Well this sure is an interesting start to the day. 2 role claims and a dead GoBo.

I'm somewhat inclined to believe Miriel's theory as it does make some good sense and would help back up my suspicions towards Summoner. Though I'm a paranoid bastard and the role claim makes me not want to believe it just because Nexus is one of those unprovable ones and a decent one for Mafia to roleclaim.

Sergeant's role claim I'm slightly more inclined to believe just because it's not the standard claim mafian's try to make. But then again we've seen some crazy claims here at EoFF.Basically, it's empty talk. It all comes down to: "I want to believe you, but I don't know that I can." Indecisiveness. It's a typical mafian strategy.

[M] Gaius

11-22-2008, 12:01 AM

The Summoner of Leviathan;2597856']
Del Murder;2597710']
He keeps trying to say he's avoiding bandwagoning but he keeps doing it! It's like he's using that as his cover. "i'm not bandwagoning so i'll vote them even though I really am just bandwagonning".

Even by his own logic, He's laying low. He says he's active so it's not the cba playing style. He's around just not here. When he does show up he just skims the thread and throws a bandwagon vote.

I dunno I feel in my gut TSoL is scum. If i'm wrong, well i wont trust my gut again lol.

You won't be trusting your gut again after this then. I've said time and time again that anything I have to say has been said before so anything I say will get me accused of bandwagoning. As for the voting late thing, Cid counted it, and saying it was to save myself was in case anyone else showed up late to vote me. I haven't got the smarts to be scum, or you'd know for certain by now that I am and I would've been lynched days ago.

What the hell is this? Honestly? I CANNOT BE SCUM BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN LYNCHED YET! Seriously, wtf?

The Summoner of Leviathan;2597856']
Miriel;2597628']
As for TSoL's posts, they've all rung scum to me. Remember early on when qwerty joke "YOU JOKEVOTED YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE SCUM". Remember how defensive TSoL got? I think TSoL was instructed to lay low by smarter mafia the moment that happened, so he wouldn't repeat mistakes.

As I previously said, I mistook that for a real vote, and defending myself seemed the only option. Until I reread it and realised qwerty was joking however. Is it a crime to defend myself? No, it is not. -No it isnt' a crime? Is it odd that you were so jumpy? Yes. That's the whole point of Mafia. I may not be a very good player but if I was Mafia I wouldn't have been dumb enough to make a move like that, jokevote or not.- Again wtf is this? I WAS DUMB ENOUGH TO DO THIS! BUT IF I WAS MAFIA I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THAT STUPID! Yeah, sure. Tell me GoBo, which side are you really on? You're either a very smart townie, or scum. -Thank you captain obvious. Because you really need moar fencesitting I still can't tell either way, and remember, if I was scum I'd know which side you were on and I sure as hell wouldn't argue with my own teammates. Therefore my only logical explanaton is that you're scum. -OMG GUESS WHAT? HE WANTS TO LYNCH ME! ME MUST BE MAFIA! Haha, great job bud. Because that's not retaliatory at all.

##Vote: Miriel

My arguments to that are the bolded sections next to his posts. TSoL thanks for digging yourself a bigger hole.

Also, regarding this scitzo-ness of Sarge. I don't know whether or not to believe it, but if it is truth, I think you should target inactives. If you kill them, good job because when it comes down to it, at this point of the game inactives are just going to sink us, if you investigate them, good job, that means we won't be worrying about so and so, flying under the radar, if you protect or do nothing, oh well, it could've been worse, like killing a doc.

[M] Mom – Host

11-22-2008, 01:28 AM

The Summoner of Leviathan (4)- Miriel, Sergeant Hartman, Del Murder, Momiji
Miriel (1)- TSoL

There are 9 alive, so it only takes 5 to lynch. Only 1 more for TSoL and the day is done
Only 4 hours and 20 minutes left...

Not voting... Denmark, Psychotic, Loony BoB, Aerith's knight

If you havent voted 3 times(75%!), then you will die today. This is more than enough to be fair. Either vote, or die.

Danger of death- Denmark, Sergeant Hartman(if he unvotes), Psychotic(already dead)

LoM

[M] Gaius

11-22-2008, 02:06 AM

God dammit everyone hurry up and vote! And what do you mean Psychotic is already dead!?! :eek:

[M] Mom – Host

11-22-2008, 02:12 AM

He has already missed 3 votes. He will die tonight.

LoM

[M] Gaius

11-22-2008, 02:34 AM

Mafia's gonna win this just because a ton of inactives are going to be instantly NKed :(

[M] Mom – Host

11-22-2008, 03:01 AM

Miriel;2597926']Mafia's gonna win this just because a ton of inactives are going to be instantly NKed :(

That may be the case

LoM

[M] Caprica

11-22-2008, 04:14 AM

##Vote: Denmark

Simply because I'm leaning towards Summoner, but I don't want the day to end yet. And I need a vote to keep town from losing another person.

[M] Dave – Stepdad

11-22-2008, 04:20 AM

Aerith's Knight

Alright...we've only got about an hour left so I may as well put my vote down. Sorry for being so lazy today :p

##Vote: TSoL

I could say why, but I'd just be repeating what Del and Miriel said anyway.

[M] Caprica

11-22-2008, 04:21 AM

Momiji;2597861']*sigh*

Forgot to explain why I'd vote Denmark.

Well this sure is an interesting start to the day. 2 role claims and a dead GoBo.

I'm somewhat inclined to believe Miriel's theory as it does make some good sense and would help back up my suspicions towards Summoner. Though I'm a paranoid bastard and the role claim makes me not want to believe it just because Nexus is one of those unprovable ones and a decent one for Mafia to roleclaim.

Sergeant's role claim I'm slightly more inclined to believe just because it's not the standard claim mafian's try to make. But then again we've seen some crazy claims here at EoFF.Basically, it's empty talk. It all comes down to: "I want to believe you, but I don't know that I can." Indecisiveness. It's a typical mafian strategy.

You clearly don't know the player then. :p I'm the most indecisive person this side of the planet. XD

I'm quite aware that my roleclaim is unprovable. But hey, I'm not going to lie to you all.

That last line alone makes me more suspicious of you, kind of like your trying to subtly make everyone think you really are a townie.

If not for the fact that your theory does hold some merit and makes some sense I would probably vote you today just out of some bat gut feelings and a few choice words you've said.

So I think your suspicious, but I think there's more likely and suspicious people ahead of you.

[M] Anise

11-22-2008, 10:10 AM

I'm still leaning towards Denmark, but my partner finally suggested some things to me over MSN. I'll read over them some more so I can make it understandable for you, then I will vote. Hopefully I get back in time

[M] Anise

11-22-2008, 10:29 AM

Okay, I'll try to make this as plain as I can. It'll probably end up with me looking scummy, but whatever. I need to add something to the thread anyway.

Miriel and Laddy both voted for DD, then unvoted him for no real apparent reason. However, Miriel revoted DD when it looked like he was going down, maybe to avoid suspicion. DD and Miriel both voted for GB and Celes to promt conversation, and they both ended up town.

qwerty voted for Miriel day one, and died that night. Maybe qwerty's justification was good? I'm not sure, so I can't comment.

Anyway, the general gist is that Miriel and Laddy had similar voting patterns and Laddy turned up scum. Therefore, my partner suggests that Laddy and Miriel are scum buddies.

Although, I'm in control at the moment, and I'm still not entirely convinced on his theories. Hopefully it helps spark someone else though. My vote should come later after I read through a bit more

[M] Caprica

11-22-2008, 10:38 AM

Loony BoB;2598017']
Anyway, the general gist is that Miriel and Laddy had similar voting patterns and Laddy turned up scum. Therefore, my partner suggests that Laddy and Miriel are scum buddies.

Laddy was a Serial Killer. Not Mafia. :p

The rest of it seems plausible though.

[M] Anise

11-22-2008, 11:07 AM

I just skimmed through and saw red, so I assumed Laddy was scum. My mistake. That detracts from the overall plausibility, but I thought it was a pretty well conceived theory considering my partner only just read the thread for the first time on the 20th xD

[M] Athena

11-22-2008, 11:53 AM

Well I'm a goner :tongue:

[M] Athena

11-22-2008, 11:55 AM

EDIT BY WAY OF POST: Tsk tsk town, why must you always lynch one of your own? You'll see soon enough that I'm just a harmless townie.

And in response to GoBo, I suck at mafia so if I was scum I'd have majorly screwed up days ago.

[M] Anise

11-22-2008, 12:33 PM

Going purely off the theory that my partner had, I'll vote for Miriel. I don't think it will overly make a difference, but voting is compuslory and all. TSoL isn't that high on my suspicions list, so I don't want to cast the last vote. Hopefully we get scum this time round though.

##Vote: Miriel

[M] Mom – Host

11-22-2008, 04:58 PM

Ok TSoL has died...

The Summoner of Leviathan (5)- Miriel, Sergeant Hartman, Del Murder, Momiji, AK
Miriel (2)- TSoL, Loony BoB
Denmark (1)- Denmark

Not Voting: Psy(:()

I guess psy is getting replaced though so I wont kill him, even though I have the best death ever for him. I will just make it TSoL's death scene then I guess...

TSoL was walking along, and he got tired. He fell asleep, so we all got markers and drew on his face. He woke up, looked in the mirror, and was so embarrassed he killed himself...

TSoL was a Mafia Goon, played by Blue Harvest

Night Actions now.

LoM

[M] Mom – Host

11-23-2008, 01:57 AM

So Psy awoke from his 4 day coma, and he said "oh, it is great to be alive!" Then a boulder fell from the sky and crushed him. Ak just so happened to see the humor in this and laughed so hard his lungs imploded...

Psychotic was a Doctor, played by dolentrean and then AK(for 1 night choice that didnt matter:p)

AK was a vanilla townie, played by Jessweeee and wulfy girl

Yes, the doctor was inactive...

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

LoM

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-23-2008, 02:55 AM

I was the one who killed Psy!!! MIRIEL!!!

Also, regarding this scitzo-ness of Sarge. I don't know whether or not to believe it, but if it is truth, I think you should target inactives. If you kill them, good job because when it comes down to it, at this point of the game inactives are just going to sink us, if you investigate them, good job, that means we won't be worrying about so and so, flying under the radar, if you protect or do nothing, oh well, it could've been worse, like killing a doc.

I am not a happy camper. :mad2:

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 02:56 AM

*headdesk*
I've got absolutely nothing at the moment, I'm still shocked by the inactive doctor thing.

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 02:57 AM

Oh Hartman, that sucks :(

[M] Caprica

11-23-2008, 03:05 AM

Ok Summoner was scum in the end. So that's 3 scum down, 2 mafia. So that means 1-2 more mafia left and town wins. Let's do this!!!

Miriel, I'm finding less suspicion towards you of the moment because you did root out mafia, though I'm not going to say it entirely rules out you being mafia trying to kill off a fellow scum mate you all figured was on the block to die anyways and trying to keep distance and clear suspicion.

I'm going to look over some of Summoners posts later and see if I can't find anything fun and interesting.

[M] Al - Biker Dad

11-23-2008, 03:32 AM

Yeah.... I'm gonna stick with my suspicions.

##Vote: Denmark

[M] Caprica

11-23-2008, 03:35 AM

Care to elaborate Momiji? I think the only real argument people made against me thus far was my inactivity. And I think that's a rather weak argument when there's others who have been more sketchy as of late.

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 03:40 AM

Does anyone have suggestions for who Hartman should target?

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 03:42 AM

Yeah, please explain Momiji. The only arguments I saw were inactivity, which doesn't hold up in this half of the game.

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 03:45 AM

Where'd Hartman get to? Do you have any thoughts, Sarge?

[M] Al - Biker Dad

11-23-2008, 03:50 AM

Denmark;2598300']Care to elaborate Momiji? I think the only real argument people made against me thus far was my inactivity. And I think that's a rather weak argument when there's others who have been more sketchy as of late.

Loony BoB;2598302']Yeah, please explain Momiji. The only arguments I saw were inactivity, which doesn't hold up in this half of the game.

I've explained it before. His indecisiveness, along with his early inactivity and recent "lolimtown" post is just screaming scum to me.

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-23-2008, 03:52 AM

Oh, I'm here. I was just...around.

I'm all out of ideas on who I should target, funny how the first person I kill is a Doctor, even if they were inactive.

My suspicion throughout the game was Momiji because of awkward voting patterns, which I felt was OK at the time, but that's too much of a risk to take when so close to the end.

But Momiji, would you like to elaborate a little more on your Denmark suspicion?

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-23-2008, 03:53 AM

Oh, well there you go. :thumb:

Do you suspect any other people, because that's not very good of a reason to lynch someone. "Just a hunch."

[M] Al - Biker Dad

11-23-2008, 03:56 AM

Sergeant Hartman;2598310']Oh, well there you go. :thumb:

Do you suspect any other people, because that's not very good of a reason to lynch someone. "Just a hunch."

I also suspect BoB. First he showed hostility to "Miriel", and now he seems defensive of Denmark.

And, unfortunately, hunches are all that I can go on while voting.

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 04:02 AM

I'm not trying to be defensive, Denmark is actually high on my suspicion list too. He voted for TSoL rather quickly, without much reasoning but Celes ended up lynched. I'm just trying to make sure I have everyone's reasonings so I can decide properly

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 04:07 AM

The Summoner of Leviathan;2596483']
Aerith's Knight;2596472"]Summoner: Care to share your thoughts on NeoTifa, Laddy, and Momiji?

Why those three specifically? Might they be your fellow scummates? :tongue:

Ok, NeoTifa. She hasn't done anything wrong the way I see it, aside from playing the stupid card which is a little unfair to the real NeoTifa who has a habit of correcting my spelling/grammar on msn a lot. Could she be scum? Possibly, but I doubt it.

Laddy: I haven't really been paying attention to him. I'll have to read back but he seems safe in my eyes.

Momiji: Too quick to out GoBo/Miriel as Mafia. GoBo is not always Mafia and judging a player purely on previous games is a little unfair. Is Momiji scum? In this broadcaster's opinion, yes.

This post makes me suspect Momiji LESS. The NeoTifa bit doesn't help, but Laddy was scum in the end. I think he was trying to defend Laddy and cast suspicion on a townie, though that's just my rather messy opinion. I hope you understand what I meant

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 04:12 AM

I probably look real jumpy right now, but I have another theory to add to this pool of stuff I've got going :D One sec while I make it understandable

[M] Felix

11-23-2008, 04:19 AM

Ok BoB. You need to stop with the laddy thing. Laddy was a SK a Sk has no connection to the mafia besides the one game where it was a Mafia SK.

Someone already corrected you for it and it seems like you're just trying to confuse the town now. That puts you high on my list now. Thanks.

[M] Caprica

11-23-2008, 04:20 AM

Momiji;2598308']I've explained it before. His indecisiveness, along with his early inactivity and recent "lolimtown" post is just screaming scum to me.

Well I can't really prove I'm town unless I die. I mean I guess I could roleclaim cop or something and try to prove my role. But it would be kinda worthless since I'm not a cop nor any role that can prove itself.

As for the indecisiveness I already said if you knew who the player was you'd realize it's just how I am. Usually. XD

Really your recent posts here make my more suspicious of you. You always seemed a little....off in earlier posts.

As of right now I think your either scum or a bad/new player.

I'm not trying to be defensive, Denmark is actually high on my suspicion list too. He voted for TSoL rather quickly, without much reasoning but Celes ended up lynched.

I voted a confirmed mafia early on rather then lynch a townie and that makes me suspicious? :confused:

So if there were 4 mafia to start, then that means there's 2 now, if I had to guess on who they were I'm leaning towards you both actually. But I still gotta check out the other survivors at the moment and see if they do anything that reeks scum.

[M] Felix

11-23-2008, 04:21 AM

Now it seems to me like you're trying to protect momiji who has had suspicion from the start, that I even mentioned prior that TSoL seemed to be connected to.

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 04:31 AM

Shoot, whoops. I keep forgetting Laddy was SK. Back to the drawing board...

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 04:33 AM

Denmark, what I meant was it looked kinda like you were voting TSoL to seem town when he got lynched, but Celes died anyway. I'm just tossing out random theories here, because someone needs to find a spark soon else the town is screwed. Heck, if I seem scummy then just lynch me, because I'm not being much help anyway

[M] Felix

11-23-2008, 04:40 AM

Yeah. My theory, Momiji and BoB are our last two mafia. :D

[M] Al - Biker Dad

11-23-2008, 04:41 AM

Loony BoB;2598323']Denmark, what I meant was it looked kinda like you were voting TSoL to seem town when he got lynched, but Celes died anyway. I'm just tossing out random theories here, because someone needs to find a spark soon else the town is screwed. Heck, if I seem scummy then just lynch me, because I'm not being much help anywayThe purpose of lynching isn't to get rid of bad town. It's to kill the mafia. :p

[M] Al - Biker Dad

11-23-2008, 04:42 AM

Del Murder;2598329']Yeah. My theory, Momiji and BoB are our last two mafia. :D

I understand why you think I'm scum, but can you explain why you think BoB is scum and why Denmark is NOT scum?

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 04:46 AM

That's a fair call, I've played really terrible. Hopefully I'll be better the second time I play this game. Also, I think I voted for townies and against mafia every time :D

[M] Felix

11-23-2008, 04:47 AM

Just from what he's said lately, and you being scummalishish. It seems he's trying to draw attention off you and confuse the town.

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-23-2008, 04:55 AM

What I think Del is onto is that inactives suddenly become active when the game is about to finish. That'd scream scummy to me, and all I have is a hunch that Denmark is scum, and that's the best I can go by. Sorry dude.

##Vote: [M] Denmark

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 05:02 AM

I'm active because it's the weekend and I skipped an athletics competition so I could post :D

[M] Caprica

11-23-2008, 05:03 AM

By the by, there's 6 people left if no one has counted yet. If there's 2 mafia then a wrong lynch today and no doctor (lest there is a second one in play) means town loses if we get this wrong.

So with this in mind, Del and Miriel are the 2 most likely townies in my eye. Meaning Sergeant, Momiji, and BoB are on my top list.

Of them, BoB's latest few posts either gives me scum or new player vibes, and I'm leaning more towards new player unless he's some kind of mastermind genius. But for now I'm thinking he's a rather new player.

Momiji and Sergeant both seem to be attacking me, and for the same reasons, vague "Your inactive and just started becoming active".

And both voted me so quickly (trying to speed lynch?). Though I can't imagine mafia would be so dumb as to group up this early in the day and votes, even if it's so close to the end of the game.

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-23-2008, 05:05 AM

Hey at least it brought up some discussion.

So now could you tell us why you think Del is town?

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 05:08 AM

If it eases anyone's minds, this is my first real game. I was a team in HP mafia but I made all of two posts. So I suck horribly. Hartman's Skitzo roleclaim seems fairly accurate to me, otherwise there would have only been one night kill. That, or someone on town has a night kill ability.

[M] Caprica

11-23-2008, 05:10 AM

Simply put, the way he talks and thinks. They don't scream scum to me and scream more town then anything to me.

Oh also while I was thinking I nearly overlooked something key...

Sergeant Hartman;2598283']I was the one who killed Psy!!! MIRIEL!!!

Yes, the doctor was inactive...

Funny how you claim you killed him (being skitzo) and yet Psy was on the inactive and not voting list. The not voting 3 times = you die list.

Hi thar Mr. Mafia!

##Vote: Sergeant Hartman

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-23-2008, 05:13 AM

Denmark;2598349']Simply put, the way he talks and thinks. They don't scream scum to me and scream more town then anything to me.

Oh also while I was thinking I nearly overlooked something key...

Sergeant Hartman;2598283']I was the one who killed Psy!!! MIRIEL!!!

Yes, the doctor was inactive...Funny how you claim you killed him (being skitzo) and yet Psy was on the inactive and not voting list. The not voting 3 times = you die list.

Hi thar Mr. Mafia!

##Vote: Sergeant Hartman

You see, this is where you're wrong, honeybunch. Psychotic was replaced with Aerith's Knight, so I can assure you I was the one who killed him! :aimkiss:

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-23-2008, 05:14 AM

You shouldn't have done that, now it's just my instinct to be more suspicious of you.

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 05:15 AM

But didn't Cid say that Psy wasn't going to be killed because AK took over?

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-23-2008, 05:16 AM

Cid;2597943']
Why is it more logical to kill off inactives than to replace them.

Fine, you be psychotic...

Let me just find his pass...

LoM

Edit: *sigh* Lancelot must have sent the mafia pass with Sir Lancelot instead of [M] Cid...

Anyone else can come in if they want as a replacement too, as long as your role before wasnt important(like a mafia or an investigation role).

I'll have to wait for him to come back on then...

[M] Felix

11-23-2008, 05:19 AM

Yeah the death cid posted did clearly say that he got a replacement. I'm believing Hartman on this one.

Denny den, why do you want hartman dead when his claim for the most part, seems plausible? How else would there be a kill? A vig? I doubt it, with a SK and Mafia, that'd be a lot of deaths and not enough power roles.

>.> hope no one saw that.

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 05:23 AM

Hmm, but you'd think Psy would have protected himself... Can Cid clarify whether Psy was killed by not-voting or by other means, or is that not allowed?

[M] Gaius

11-23-2008, 05:25 AM

It's clear that Psy was not killed by not-voting by the Signups thread. I'm clearing that up right now. I'll be chain-posting my thoughts now.

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 05:27 AM

Thanks for that :)

[M] Caprica

11-23-2008, 05:28 AM

Del Murder;2598357']Yeah the death cid posted did clearly say that he got a replacement. I'm believing Hartman on this one.

The GM's have been spouting on about people who don't get 3 votes in will die (Like Psy who got none in period), and their last post consisting stating the doctor was inactive. Hence why I went with the he can't be the skitzo idea.

[M] Gaius

11-23-2008, 05:31 AM

Let me start by clearing out who I don't think is mafia.

1. Me (Obviously xD)
2. Sergeant Hartman- His skitzo claim makes sense now. I was skeptical about his claim because nothing had come of it for a while, but a sudden kill at the end (with no vig roleclaiming), makes his post hold ground. Helped kill TSoL.
3. Del Murder- Del Murder was the third, and damning post against TSoL. Before that post and vote, the mafia had a chance to distract us from TSoL imo. After Del's 2 cents, I think they didn't.

This leaves... Momiji, Loony BoB, and Denmark.

[M] Gaius

11-23-2008, 05:39 AM

Case Against Momiji

Early on I obviously believed Momiji was scum. But I've thought about it, his posts have been poor, and he hasn't posted enough. But now that I look back at it he's seemed more like a mafia newbie, then a mafioso. I don't think Momiji is mafia, I can't make a good argument against him other then inactivity. And I think he's been inactive because he's an EoFF who's name starts with a Y and ends with an h.

[M] Al - Biker Dad

11-23-2008, 05:46 AM

Miriel;2598369']And I think he's been inactive because he's an EoFF who's name starts with a Y and ends with an h.Oh noes! :eek:

[M] Gaius

11-23-2008, 05:47 AM

Case Against Loony BoB

Loony's been a bit scummy. His continual mess up between SK and Mafia has been odd. Misinformational, framing possibly? But to me it seems to be more of confusion and bad play then framing though. Using that Laddy argument for framing would be so stupid and obvious, especially because his "theories" obviously aren't going to convince people the moment someone says "Laddy was a SK not mafia". Like Momiji I don't think he is scum.

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-23-2008, 06:07 AM

So what's your case about Denmark now?

[M] Gaius

11-23-2008, 06:11 AM

Case Against Denmark

Denmark, ah Denmark. You played such a good game 'till I pointed out how obviously mafia TSoL was.

Let's start with this:

Denmark;2597701']Well this sure is an interesting start to the day. 2 role claims and a dead GoBo.
I'm somewhat inclined to believe Miriel's theory as it does make some good sense and would help back up my suspicions towards Summoner. Though I'm a paranoid bastard and the role claim makes me not want to believe it just because Nexus is one of those unprovable ones and a decent one for Mafia to roleclaim.
Sergeant's role claim I'm slightly more inclined to believe just because it's not the standard claim mafian's try to make. But then again we've seen some crazy claims here at EoFF.

See the italics? Notice a contradiction? I do. Why believe Sarge, who's roleclaim had yet to do anything provable, and not believe me because my roleclaim hadn't been provable? Why? Because you knew I'd be cleared by the events of the day, so you needed to spread doubt on me. Being nice to Sarge would appeal to his emotion and want to believe your theory on me.

1.

Denmark;2598289']Ok Summoner was scum in the end. So that's 3 scum down, 2 mafia. So that means 1-2 more mafia left and town wins. Let's do this!!!
Miriel, I'm finding less suspicion towards you of the moment because you did root out mafia, though I'm not going to say it entirely rules out you being mafia trying to kill off a fellow scum mate you all figured was on the block to die anyways and trying to keep distance and clear suspicion.
I'm going to look over some of Summoners posts later and see if I can't find anything fun and interesting.

2.

Denmark;2598319']
Momiji;2598308']I've explained it before. His indecisiveness, along with his early inactivity and recent "lolimtown" post is just screaming scum to me.
Well I can't really prove I'm town unless I die. I mean I guess I could roleclaim cop or something and try to prove my role. But it would be kinda worthless since I'm not a cop nor any role that can prove itself.
As for the indecisiveness I already said if you knew who the player was you'd realize it's just how I am. Usually. XD
Really your recent posts here make my more suspicious of you. You always seemed a little....off in earlier posts.
As of right now I think your either scum or a bad/new player.

I'm not trying to be defensive, Denmark is actually high on my suspicion list too. He voted for TSoL rather quickly, without much reasoning but Celes ended up lynched.
I voted a confirmed mafia early on rather then lynch a townie and that makes me suspicious? :confused:
So if there were 4 mafia to start, then that means there's 2 now, if I had to guess on who they were I'm leaning towards you both actually. But I still gotta check out the other survivors at the moment and see if they do anything that reeks scum.

3.
Denmark;2598341']By the by, there's 6 people left if no one has counted yet. If there's 2 mafia then a wrong lynch today and no doctor (lest there is a second one in play) means town loses if we get this wrong.
So with this in mind, Del and Miriel are the 2 most likely townies in my eye. Meaning Sergeant, Momiji, and BoB are on my top list.
Of them, BoB's latest few posts either gives me scum or new player vibes, and I'm leaning more towards new player unless he's some kind of mastermind genius. But for now I'm thinking he's a rather new player.
Momiji and Sergeant both seem to be attacking me, and for the same reasons, vague "Your inactive and just started becoming active".
And both voted me so quickly (trying to speed lynch?). Though I can't imagine mafia would be so dumb as to group up this early in the day and votes, even if it's so close to the end of the game.

These three are also important posts. Let's start with bolded section of quote two. Reminds me of something I said in a previous post that you quoted and said...

Denmark;2597966']

I'm quite aware that my roleclaim is unprovable. But hey, I'm not going to lie to you all.
That last line alone makes me more suspicious of you, kind of like your trying to subtly make everyone think you really are a townie.
If not for the fact that your theory does hold some merit and makes some sense I would probably vote you today just out of some bat gut feelings and a few choice words you've said.
So I think your suspicious, but I think there's more likely and suspicious people ahead of you.

It's scummy when I say I'm town? But not when you do?

Now, the bolded sections of 1 and 3 are gut feelings. I don't like how Denmark tried to make me look susipicious early, but then quickly forgot about it and declared me "MLT Town" once it was clear no one was going for it.

My opinion. Denmark is our last mafioso.

[M] Felix

11-23-2008, 06:20 AM

Wow.... well that has me convinced. I can't elaborate more on what people have already said.

##Vote: Denmark

[M] Anise

11-23-2008, 06:44 AM

I'll give my thoughts up until this point then.

Miriel's recent actions have been very beneficial for the town, no mafia motives. There has been some posts defending himself, but that's understandable.

I really want Del Murder to be town, because I think that whichever team has Del will end up winning. I can't tell if he is town or scum, but I'm inclined to believe he's town.

Hartman's claim of Skitzo seems pretty infallible, and he hasn't done anything negative from the town. The only real thing to complain about is inactivity at the start, but nearly everyone has been like that this game.

Momiji is a tough one but hasn't done anything to stand out as scum.

What Miriel has said about Denmark really makes him stand out from the rest. However, I'd like to hear his thoughts before I vote for him.

[M] Gaius

11-23-2008, 03:35 PM

Votecount:

Denmark (3)- Momiji, Hartman, Del Murder

I'm contemplating ending the day. Last game if the town waited around for Luna to return (Jessweeee), I'm 100% sure she would've wiggled her way out of it. But, I won't play selfishly. If Loony tells me to end the day (being the last one other than me not to vote) I will, or if 2/3 of the people who voted for Denmark tell me to end it, I will, because then I'll feel there's little reason to wait.

Back up plan: If Denmark isn't scum, I think there may still be another day left. The town didn't get too much on their side this game, the cop was insane, the commuter had to pick every other night to be untouchable, skitzo is unreliable, really my Nexus role is the best thing we had, plus we had to worry about that SK.

With that said, if there are two mafia, it's up to Sarge to save us, unless we have another role that's yet to claim.

[M] Caprica

11-23-2008, 04:43 PM

It's scummy when I say I'm town? But not when you do?

Of course I don't consider my self scummy when I evaluate people, I know what I am and don't even contemplate my own scumminess. I'm not an idiot. :p

See the italics? Notice a contradiction?

Throwing out every option and possibility to consider is a contradiction? Huh?

I don't like how Denmark tried to make me look susipicious early, but then quickly forgot about it and declared me "MLT Town" once it was clear no one was going for it.

Of course I wanted to make people suspect you, you went around going "Oh hey look I got a scum kill that clears me totally!", any mafia could just as well have done that and be leading the town about to their deaths.

I declared you most likely to be town based on statistics. Let me explain in case you don't understand. 6 people left, 5 aren't me, at best 2 are bad guys, so the odds are 3 of them aren't mafia. Rather then play a game of thinking everyone is mafia, I play a game where they're mafia and town, and you 2 seemed most likely to be the town, and others most likely to be the mafia. But no where did I ever clear you or Del of total suspicion (because that's just stupid), I just stated I felt you 2 were the least likely to be mafia. Simple math man!

Anyways looks like the band wagon has formed on me so not a whole lot I can do about that. Bandwagoning for me for a single post with really nothing irks me, but hey what can you do? So I'm going to just end this mess now and see if it's game over or not.

Back up plan: If Denmark isn't scum,

That made me laugh. So hard. So if tomorrow goes through and town is still alive, unless Cid confirms the cause of AK's death, then I'm willing to bet Miriel is the last mafia.

##Vote: Denmark

[M] Gaius

11-23-2008, 04:48 PM

I quoted four posts dude. Anyway killing yourself, brilliant. Type up that flavah so we can see what happens Cid.

[M] Gaius

11-23-2008, 04:53 PM

Denmark;2598451']
It's scummy when I say I'm town? But not when you do?

Of course I don't consider my self scummy when I evaluate people, I know what I am and don't even contemplate my own scumminess. I'm not an idiot. :p

Even though there's no point of rebutting his atm as Denmark is dead and we might have won, I have to point out how stupid this is. You just proved me exactly right. I talked as if I was town because as you said "Of course I don't consider my self scummy when I evaluate people, I know what I am". And you go, "OH OH! THAT WAS SCUMMY! YOU SUBTLE BASTARD!" When you do it, it's no harm no foul though. You have one way logic and it's stupid.

[M] Caprica

11-23-2008, 05:16 PM

Miriel;2598453']I quoted four posts dude.

And I quoted one? Wait that matters how?

Anyway killing yourself, brilliant.

I'm already dead, too much effort to try and persuade everyone I'm a townie.

I talked as if I was town because as you said "Of course I don't consider my self scummy when I evaluate people, I know what I am".

Well of course I don't consider myself scummy, I DO know what I am. Egads are you telling me you consider YOURself scummy when you look over people's posts? :eek:

[M] Gaius

11-23-2008, 05:27 PM

No I'm claiming you use one way logic you little tart. When I made a statement saying "I'm not going to lie to prove myself." You said it was a scummy thing to say. The next day you say basically the same thing because "I KNOW I ARE NOT MAFIA", and I'm somehow stupid for pointing that contradiction out?

Hurry up and reveal the scum Cid.

[M] Caprica

11-23-2008, 05:34 PM

*Sigh* I guess I was giving you too much credit in thinking your smart enough to figure out I was simply throwing the options out there of what you could have been doing. Seems I was wrong.

"I KNOW I ARE NOT MAFIA"

Caps lock and bad grammar makes it true! :monster:

And tart? Seriously? I happen to know for a fact your not British. It doesn't work when a Yank says it.

[M] Mike - Funny Dad

11-23-2008, 06:07 PM

Chillax

the game is over.

[M] Gaius

11-23-2008, 06:45 PM

Sergeant Hartman;2598477']Chillax

the game is over.
orly?

[M] Mom – Host

11-23-2008, 07:07 PM

The game is not over yet...

Denmark was walking along, as so many people before had died doing. You would think they would finally get the picture that walking is a bad idea... Well anyway, he jumped off a cliff. I dont know why, and the only person who does know jumped off a fricken cliff.

Denmark was a Mafia Goon, played by Bahamut2000X

The game is no where near done... Night actions now...

LoM

[M] Mom – Host

11-24-2008, 01:11 AM

Wow...

Sergeant Hartman is not walking this time. He is sitting. So Del Murder and Miriel come to his door and knock. They are going to kill him when he answers it, but he slips on his TV cord and breaks his neck. A kill is a kill I guess, so Del Murder and Miriel win!

I repeat... Del Murder and Miriel win! Notice the names? Yes, they win. The main mafia people win... Awesome!

Sergeant Hartman was a Skitzo, played by Sagensyg.

Del Murder was the Mafia Godfather, played by Lekana.

Miriel was a Mafia Hitman, played by GoBo

Momiji was a Vanilla Townie, played by Yaridovich

Loony BoB was a Vanilla Townie, played by Jiro and Timekeeper

Oh, and Denmark was actually a Death Miller

Mafia forum is here (http://forums.eyesonff.com/la-cosa-nostra/) (gotta wait for del or someone to make it public...)

Role Pms coming soon...

LoM

[M] Mom – Host

11-24-2008, 01:20 AM

Cid']Miriel

You are very skilled at mafia, having hosted so many different games. But with all the people who join the game just to be an idiot and just to be innactive, its gotten to your head. You then picked up a sniper, and you started training in the art of the hitman.

You are the mafia hitman
You can be sent to kill someone every second night, starting on night 2. This kill counts as th mafias kill by the way.
Your kill goes though doc protections, and you can not be roleblocked.
You win with the mafia(duh)
Your mafia team is made up of Del Murder,Demon Dude , The Summoner of Leviathan, and You
The link to your forum is here http://forums.eyesonff.com/la-cosa-nostra/

Cid']Del Murder

You are one of the smartest players in the game, Del Murder, but everyone in the game just takes your wisdom and info and uses it themselves. Are you gonna take that? Its only fitting that you be the mafia godfather.

You are the mafia godfather
You are bulletproof, or you cant be killed at night.
You will appear innocent when investigated.
Your mafia team is made up of Demon Dude, Miriel, The Summoner of Leviathan, and You
You win with the mafia(duh)
The link to your forum is here http://forums.eyesonff.com/la-cosa-nostra/

Cid']Aerith's Knight, GoBo, Momiji, Loony BoB

You are a well known mafia player and how are you rewarded? With a vanilla townie role -_-

You can vote for someone each day
You win with the town...
Thats it =P

Cid']People have always been a bit suspicious of Denmark the country, so what are they going to think about someonewho named themsleves after it.

You are the Miller

If invesagted you will turn up guilty.
You win with the town.

Cid']Psychotic

You are a very skilled mafia player, so you know a lot about night kills. You can help people with this knowledge, and save thier lives.

You are a doctor
You win with the town, by destroying the mafia
You can protect one person each night, and they will not die if they are targetted by a night kill.

Cid']~*~Celes~*~, always seeming a bit silly. Well that's were people are wrong, as you are in fact anInventor. You have made two devices, named A and B. You didn't have enough time to tast them, so all you know is one of them protects, and the other investigates.

At night you are to PM me and ask to use one of the devices. You don't have to use a device if don't wish to, as you only one of each.

Cid']Ah, qwerty. The winner of the MLT get Vanilla Town Scummie. Guess what...... you're a Vanilla Townie:p

You can vote for someone each day
You win with the town...
Thats it =P

Cid']The Summoner of Leviathan

No one really knows who you are... I mean, come on. You were in the first game. The town will pay for this ignorance...

You are a mafia goon
You win with the mafia(duh)
You mafia team is made up of Del Murder, Miriel, Demon Dude, and You
The link to your forum is here http://forums.eyesonff.com/la-cosa-nostra/

Cid']Poor NeoTifa, having to work the night shift. Cant be good for you.

You are a Commuter. You have the opition of protecting yourself, and only yourself. You cant use your power night one, can only use it twice, and cant use it two nights in a row.

Cid']Demon Dude

Everyone is always making fun of you, saying you are horrible at mafia, but even though you are improving, people still say you are one of the worst. Well no more. Its time to fight back...

You are a mafia goon
You win with the mafia(duh)
Your mafia team is made up of Del Murder, Miriel, The Summoner of Leviathan, and You
The link to your forum is here http://forums.eyesonff.com/la-cosa-nostra/

Cid']Yar-Yars, one of the many from Ohio. Well, the people of OhioTown need someone to prevent crime. You are a Cop

At night you are to PM me the name of the person you wish to investigate, and I'll tell you if they're guilty or innocent. Also, you've served in the force for so long, you might not be sane.

Cid']Dolentrean, you're awesome. How awesome? You're an Elite Bodyguard

At night you choose someone to proctect. If someone tries to kill them, you will take the bullet, and kill the muderer.

You win with the town.

Cid']Poor Sergeant Hartman, your time in the first Iraq has made you a bit funny in the head. You a Skitzo

At night you are to PM me the name of someone to target. You will then investigate them, protect them, kill them, or do nothing.

You win with the town.

LoM