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Saber
11-16-2008, 07:14 AM
I was replaying ff7 and on the first trip to Costa Del Sol there's this guy in a room and someone taking a shower and Johnny acts like he knew cloud. I just can't seem to remember how. I've played pretty much every ff7 game but this still makes no since.

Can you explain ?
Kawaii Ryűkishi
11-16-2008, 07:19 AM
You can find him in Sector 7 at the beginning of the game, too. No drama, no skeletons in the closet--he was just one of Cloud and Tifa's childhood friends. He's only remarkable for how unremarkable he is.
fairweather
11-16-2008, 11:49 AM
What is with Johnny? He's so weird.
I don't get him.
Elly
11-16-2008, 12:53 PM
he's filler, supposed to be one of the first people Tifa befrinded when she got to Midgar... when he calls Cloud "childhood friend" he does it in jest because everyone in the Sector VII Slums were watching Tifa recount the Neibelheim Well Promise story the night before Jhonny leaves Sector VII...
fairweather
11-16-2008, 01:11 PM
Ah yes, I got that much, he's just everywhere you go.
Well, not everywhere. But Sector 7, Honey Bee Inn, Costa Del Sol..
The way he talked confused me. Or something. I have to play it again to get a memory refreshment.
The Crystal
11-16-2008, 06:26 PM
And he is in love with Tifa... And appear in "On the Way to a Smile: Case of Denzel".
PeneloRatsbane
11-16-2008, 07:48 PM
isn't there a letter for him on tifa's desk at her home in nibelhiem at some point
MJN SEIFER
11-19-2008, 10:14 PM
For a minor character, Johnny always used to interest me slightly. I always got the feeling that some of his background got abruptly removed from the game at the last miniute. (I am not saying it did, just that that's how it looks).


He knew Tifa and Cloud, and was in SOLDIER, yet I can't see any evidence in the flashbacks that he was, unless he was that other soldier who dissappears midway - but I doubt it was him. Also he calls Cloud a murderer at one point (depending on who's in your team I think) what does he mean by this? Why isn't it explained?

Unless he was meant to be one the 3 kids at the mountain, I honestly can't see how he fits in.
Saber
11-19-2008, 10:51 PM
agreed I think he should have had his own part in crisis core.
Mercen-X
11-22-2008, 04:01 PM
Hell no, Johnny wasn't in SOLDIER. He told Tifa that he was considering it, but from her reaction decided against it.
I still think they should do something important with him though. He just looks too cool to be so useless.
Saber
11-22-2008, 05:02 PM
He probally called Cloud a murderer because of what happened in
Nibelheim. Just because Cloud was believed to be apart of SOLDIER.
Big D
11-23-2008, 09:27 AM
Johnny's a damn good survivor, really - he avoided the carnage at Nibelheim, then he (and his parents?) made it out of Sector 7 alive. He even went on to purchase a home, get married and settle down in Costa del Sol, before eventually returning to live in Edge and stalk Tifa earn an honest living as a cafe owner. Quite a "normal" life, compared to most of the game's cast...
Kawaii Ryűkishi
11-23-2008, 02:45 PM
Hell no, Johnny wasn't in SOLDIER. He told Tifa that he was considering it, but from her reaction decided against it.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/grokyou/ffviissa07353.png

Don't ask me why Johnny remembers Cloud being in SOLDIER, too. Maybe he was delusional about the both of them.
MJN SEIFER
11-23-2008, 08:05 PM
Don't ask me why Johnny remembers Cloud being in SOLDIER, too. Maybe he was delusional about the both of them.

Well Cloud was technically in SOLDIER wasn't he? He just wasn't one of the sucsessful ones like Sephiroth and Zack (i.e. "First Class")
Saber
11-23-2008, 11:34 PM
No he was an infantry which is a foot soldier. but not an offical 3rd, 2nd or 1st class. I think shinra recuited alot of people but only some became soldier. other then that they were the army.
Big D
11-25-2008, 06:07 AM
Cloud originally tried to get into SOLDIER, though, and got part-way through the training/selection process before he was relegated to the regular army...
MJN SEIFER
11-25-2008, 09:32 PM
Cloud originally tried to get into SOLDIER, though, and got part-way through the training/selection process before he was relegated to the regular army...

Got it.

I was a little confused by something Cloud said in the game.
Big D
11-26-2008, 05:33 AM
There's a lot of confusing dialogue in the game, especially where that little detail is concerned:D
MJN SEIFER
11-26-2008, 09:14 PM
There's a lot of confusing dialogue in the game, especially where that little detail is concerned:D


I guess so, but I'm not sure if it's a bad translation, or just me misinterpereting it. If it's ok, here is the line:



Cloud: I never made it as a member of SOLDIER

Which I initially took to mean, he was in SOLDIER - he just wasn't very sucsessful.
BG-57
11-27-2008, 12:25 AM
He never made as 1st Class, even though he convinced himself he did; in his head, Cloud kinda combined his life with Zack's. A lot of this is explained in obscure flashbacks.

It's like the episode of Red Dwarf where one character implants his memories into another character, who then remembers, among other things, having his appendix removed...twice.
Saber
11-27-2008, 01:24 AM
He never made as 1st Class, even though he convinced himself he did; in his head, Cloud kinda combined his life with Zack's. A lot of this is explained in obscure flashbacks.

Cloud became fused with Zacks memories... hmm maybe materia fusion can fuse people too. Time to investigate.
Elly
11-27-2008, 02:34 PM
the memory fusion came about while Cloud was under the influence of Mako Poisoning from Hojo's tests in ShinRa Mansion, during their escape from ShinRa Mansion Zack kept talking to Cloud telling him "war storries" trying to keep him concious, when Cloud finaly regained full conciousness he had blended those stories with his own memories giving him a convoluted view of his own life fused with Zacks life stories...
Mercen-X
11-30-2008, 05:43 AM
Hell no, Johnny wasn't in SOLDIER. He told Tifa that he was considering it, but from her reaction decided against it.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/grokyou/ffviissa07353.png

Don't ask me why Johnny remembers Cloud being in SOLDIER, too. Maybe he was delusional about the both of them.

I never really thought too much about that scene. I ran under the assumption that Johnny really didn't know Cloud all that well and just presumed he could get away with lying to him because Cloud's stories were a little... well, I don't know, off. Aside from that, it's possibly an overlooked mistake left in the game.
Saber
02-13-2009, 06:37 PM
http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-vii/123147-johnny-new-post.html

yeah, square did everything to convince you he was in Soldier then let holes in the story line when the gamer finds out he wasn't in Soldier and it was just made up
Skyblade
02-13-2009, 06:58 PM
I thought this thread has agreed that Cloud was in SOLDIER, for a while, but wasn't successful enough to stay and advance. Low ranking SOLDIER members also wear the outfit of the standard Shinra footsoldier, as seen by the SOLDIER member studying in Junon during your first visit, and seen many times during Crisis Core.

So both Cloud and Johnny could have been in SOLDIER. But as to what happened between them... No clue. I doubt it is the destruction of Nibelheim, because Johnny wasn't there and had no reason to suspect Cloud of being there. Unless Johnny was the unnamed soldier who fell off the bridge during the Nibelheim mission and couldn't be found afterward. In which case Johnny's phenomenal luck shows up again with his surviving Sephiroth's rampage...
BG-57
02-13-2009, 10:19 PM
Cloud's outfit looks similar to generic Soldier First Class that you can fight as random encounters (Sister Ray if memory serves), minus the helmet of course. Interesting it's only the nameless flunkies who sensibly wear head protection. So Cloud decieved both himself and others of his rank as opposed to his membership in SOLDIER.

On a side note, I guess Sephiroth is too cool to wear a regulation uniform.
Kawaii Ryűkishi
02-13-2009, 11:04 PM
Yeah, Crisis Core explains that first-classers can wear whatever they want. Which, in Sephiroth's case, naturally means a long coat with no shirt and straps across his chest.
Skyblade
02-14-2009, 07:47 AM
Yeah, Crisis Core explains that first-classers can wear whatever they want. Which, in Sephiroth's case, naturally means a long coat with no shirt and straps across his chest.

Which is why Cloud was quite upset at remembering that he didn't make it to SOLDIER 1st Class, and thus, his little cross-dressing incident was against the rules.

But it now seems quite probable that both Johnny and Cloud were in SOLDIER together, so what happened, and could it have had anything to do with Cloud's failure to progress through the ranks..?
blackmage_nuke
02-14-2009, 01:04 PM
Further proof that Cloud is actually Chrono and Johnny is "THE MAN"
Dr. Acula
02-15-2009, 02:11 AM
Maybe Johnny wasn't in SOLDIER. Maybe Tifa told him about her childhood friend, Cloud, who went off to join SOLDIER, or something.
The Turk
02-15-2009, 02:21 AM
That Johnny line has to be a mistranslation of sorts. Cloud failed to get in to SOILDER. And if he failed to get in then there is no way that loser Johnny would make it.

That guy's a jerk. I kept thinking he was trying to steal Tifa away from Cloud. I think they should have had him keep popping up throughout the game though. Maybe he shows up at The Gold Saucer and then at Icicle Inn etc but it seems like they forgot about him after Costa Del Sol.
champagne supernova
02-16-2009, 07:28 PM
Yeah, I think that a lot of the script was in place before the twist was decided. And, remember, this was still in the old days. Square did not have the resources to go and ensure that every single line of conversation was in line with the general script. So, one could possibly discount the SOLDIER line as nothing more than a mess up.
Mercen-X
03-03-2009, 01:28 AM
Maybe Johnny wasn't in SOLDIER. Maybe Tifa told him about her childhood friend, Cloud, who went off to join SOLDIER, or something.

Don't ask me why Johnny remembers Cloud being in SOLDIER, too. Maybe he was delusional about the both of them.

I never really thought too much about that scene. I ran under the assumption that Johnny really didn't know Cloud all that well and just presumed he could get away with lying to him because Cloud's stories were a little off. The stories of one liar to another, right? Aside from that, it's possibly an overlooked mistake left in the game.


That Johnny. Cloud failed to get in to SOILDER. And if he failed to get in then there is no way that loser Johnny would make it.

That guy's a jerk. I kept thinking he was trying to steal Tifa away from Cloud.Agreed.

I don't think Johnny was really hot after Tifa. I figure he had a crush but knew he couldn't handle a tiger like Tifa. I think he pretty much wanted to sound cool. You notice he doesn't say that line when you can actually see Tifa around.
Levian
03-03-2009, 01:46 AM
It's not just the Johnny line though. President Shinra says right before the boss battle on the bridge where Cloud falls down that he recognizes him from soldier but can't recall his name.
DarkBahamut
03-21-2009, 05:42 AM
Don't ask me why Johnny remembers Cloud being in SOLDIER, too. Maybe he was delusional about the both of them.

Well Cloud was technically in SOLDIER wasn't he? He just wasn't one of the sucsessful ones like Sephiroth and Zack (i.e. "First Class")

He was just a shinra mercenary. SOLDIERs used swords. Mercenaries used guns. But they both are with ShinRa though.