Ghostly nature of the Lowtown.

[Future Esthar]

During the Diablos hunt there were some kids which we found later to be ghosts.But they looked so real we would never guess.
The same thing could be happening on the Lowtown.
The citizens could be the souls of the Nabradian´s trying to get revenge.
After all they were put under mist making their souls attached to this world.
That would make old Dalan either King Raminas or Rasler´s father.
I think they even know who is the true villain of ffxii and secretly try to stop his plans.They PROBABLY need Rasler to reincarnate.
That way Lowtown could very well be the "Zanarkand" of ffXII.

[Flying Mullet]

Lowtown is where the original poorer inhabitants of Rabanastre were forced to move when Archadia invaded. This is explicitly stated in the game. And since several of Lowtown's residents know who your proposed ghosts are, including the main characters, and they talk about growing up with them, around them, and watching them grow up in Rabanastre, it proves that they aren't ghosts.

[Depression Moon]

Let me ask something off topic for a moment Future Esthar. Are you inspiring to be the next Squall of SeeD?

[Crimson]

I have a question, where the hell do keep getting these bogus theories?

[Future Esthar]

These poor people died long ago.Being stuck there they wouldn´t last too long.
And I mean that they are ghosts pretending to be real persons.Which mean they lie.You can´t take their words for granted.There were many poor persons on the city.
And what did Squall of Seed has to do with this?

[Flying Mullet]

You don't know that they died long ago. You can only guess. And you can't prove theories on guesses, only facts.

[Future Esthar]

Don´t you think Old Dalan´s behaviour towards Vaan is kinda odd.And Vaan´s toward Dalan.I understand that they know each other but even so.It´s like if they were planning Vaan´s entire course of actions without players full knowledge of these plans.Their relationship is kinda like a Master Yoda/Luke relationship wich is odd for just the old guy living at the corner.And real persons won´t last on that closed environment too long.Their trade for very low prices.
And it´s not like there were non poor persons on Lowtown to make charity.I hardly believe they would last a month none the less a lifetime.

[Flying Mullet]

Yes, they kept some actions in the dark to the player, but that's because it's a video game and if they revealed everything to the player up front the game loses it's excitement and there will be no surprise in the plot. And Old Dalan is a mentor and father figure to Vaan, thus their relationship and behaviors were not odd, but completely normal to a boy who has no family and an old man who wants to teach youth.

[Depression Moon]

And what did Squall of Seed has to do with this?
Ask mullet.

[Crimson]

As much as I enjoy a good theory debate, I just cant help but laugh at most of yours Esthar, they just seem so random with no Basis, it's as if you literally pulled them out of your ass.

[trancekuja]

Oh man , Mulder would enjoy this...more conspiracy theories than in X-Files!

[Future Esthar]

I am not talking about the parent relationship but the mystical relationship.

And real persons won´t last on that closed environment too long.Their trade for very low prices.
And it´s not like there were non poor persons on Lowtown to make charity.I hardly believe they would last a month none the less a lifetime.


I think that pretty much proves at least the impossibility of the fact there were poor persons living in the lowtow for that long.
And from there we conclude that they are ghosts.Unless you think they are robots which can be argued.And that is the part that can´t be proved.But considering what happened during the Diabolo´s hunt and the fact that in Square´s games event suggest event my theory is probable.

[Flying Mullet]

And real persons won´t last on that closed environment too long.Their trade for very low prices.
And it´s not like there were non poor persons on Lowtown to make charity.I hardly believe they would last a month none the less a lifetime.
I think that pretty much proves at least the impossibility of the fact there were poor persons living in the lowtow for that long.
It doesn't prove anything. The people living in lowtown don't stay down there 24/7. They go outside just like anyone else.

[demondude]

I am not talking about the parent relationship but the mystical relationship.

And real persons won´t last on that closed environment too long.Their trade for very low prices.
And it´s not like there were non poor persons on Lowtown to make charity.I hardly believe they would last a month none the less a lifetime.


I think that pretty much proves at least the impossibility of the fact there were poor persons living in the lowtow for that long.
And from there we conclude that they are ghosts.Unless you think they are robots which can be argued.And that is the part that can´t be proved.But considering what happened during the Diabolo´s hunt and the fact that in Square´s games event suggest event my theory is probable.

Your theory is too flawed. The people of Lowtown can go up to Rabanastre whenever they want. The section of the game where you need to mess about in Lowtown is the only point where the residents are locked in, other times the gates are not locked.

[Future Esthar]

Anyway,the relationship between Dalan and Vaan is mystical.Dalan acts as a magical master and treats Vaan as a mystical hero.That´s odd for just the mentor of an orphan.That would made sense if Dalan is the soul of Raminas and Vaan that of Rasler.I think Vaan always knew the thruth but he is supposed to hide it from the player.

[trancekuja]

In any case , SE should have given us a bit more detail about some characters and relations between them...

[Future Esthar]

As you know,Nalbina and Rabanastre are conected through the mines and the sewer.And where did Rasler and Raminas die?On Nalbina.
Considering these middle places are all filled with mist(along with the fortress) it´s not difficult for the ghosts to travel.

[demondude]

Anyway,the relationship between Dalan and Vaan is mystical.Dalan acts as a magical master and treats Vaan as a mystical hero.That´s odd for just the mentor of an orphan.That would made sense if Dalan is the soul of Raminas and Vaan that of Rasler.I think Vaan always knew the thruth but he is supposed to hide it from the player.

I really doubt it. Dalan didn't treat Vaan as a mystical hero at all. Old Dalan sent him out to collect simple sunstones so he could break into the palace, and that was only because of a mutual respect the two shared. Old Dalan didn't want to let Vaan down, and he helped him along with Vaan's small quest. But Old Dalan certainly had little to do with him after that. He was also alive whilst Raminas was, so that completely makes your theory an impossibility.

[Future Esthar]

No,souls can time travel on mist.

[Goldenboko]

No,souls can time travel on mist.

:lol:

[Flying Mullet]

But there's never been any proof that souls can physically interact with anything in the real world. By this, I mean they cannot actually touch you, move objects, etc... They are only apparitions that are visible but cannot be touched. Due to this Dalan cannot be one of these beings.

[champagne supernova]

No,souls can time travel on mist.

:lol:

I love this. When there aren't any facts to support a theory, just make some new ones up. Where, in the entire script of Final Fantasy, does it even make a reference to time travel?

[demondude]

No,souls can time travel on mist.

Okay. I think you make things up to make controversy for the sake of it.

[Future Esthar]

They have logical consistency even if they aren´t proved.
References to time appear in nearly every map name.
On another opened thread I will soon show some evidences.

[Flying Mullet]

They have logical consistency even if they aren´t proved.
Logical consistency isn't proof, and proof is required to back these theories up.

References to time appear in nearly every map name.
References to time in every map doesn't prove anything. Again, you're creating theories to prove theories. You have to start with proven fact at some point. You can't keep producing a chain of theories to prove theories. At some point you have to start with some actual facts stated in the game that no one refutes and then build your theories from that point.

On another opened thread I will soon show some evidences.
Should I close this thread when your new thread is open with a notice that this thread will be reopened when the theory in the other thread is proven, otherwise all of the theories in this thread are hogwash? :p

[Future Esthar]

No,please.This thread has more things to go which are important.

[Bahamut2000X]

They have logical consistency even if they aren´t proved.
Logical consistency isn't proof, and proof is required to back these theories up.


Dang, Mulley beat me to it.

[crazybayman]

During the Diablos hunt there were some kids which we found later to be ghosts.But they looked so real we would never guess.
The same thing could be happening on the Lowtown.
The citizens could be the souls of the Nabradian´s trying to get revenge.
After all they were put under mist making their souls attached to this world.
That would make old Dalan either King Raminas or Rasler´s father.
I think they even know who is the true villain of ffxii and secretly try to stop his plans.They PROBABLY need Rasler to reincarnate.
That way Lowtown could very well be the "Zanarkand" of ffXII.


No,souls can time travel on mist.

:laugh:

[Future Esthar]

What is the fun?

[Flying Mullet]

No one's saying you can't have fun, they're just asking you to follow basic rules of logic and debate when discussing these theories.

[Bahamut2000X]

They're not even theories. Theories have evidence and proof to back them up after much debate and over time. These are at best ideas using some twisted and warped pseudo-logic.

[Bolivar]

The way the children and other vagrants congregate around and depend on Dalan signifies his kingly nature. The way he knows Vaan is ready to fulfill a quest is because Vaan gave his life in his last life in order to fight for his freedom. However, they both know the truth, since lowtown and Nabradia's remains are connected by tunnels, some of which have not been revealed in the game yet, and may unlock at a later date, explaining the full truth.

The true villain of FFXII is the fallen King of Nabradia. Dalan (Raminas) and Rasler (Vaan) both know this because of the connected tunnels. They both fear his power and know that they must stop him. It was after the midlight shard's power was unleashed that Vayne really became obsessed. They now know the power and want to use it. He must be stopped. Fighting Bahamut at the end symbolizes how the real villain died before the story began. He is the alpha and the omega, the dragon king, in the series. The King of Summons. The Dragon King.

He is the fallen lord of Nabradia...

[Future Esthar]

No,It´s not the king of Nabradia nor anyone from there.
The Stillshrine of miriam is the Necrohol of Nabudis on the future.
The souls of Nabudis decided to get revenge and made a weapon to destroy the sun cryst.
Thus,Rasler and three of his most loyal knights sweared to use it for good.And statues of them were made.
In another timeline,Princess Ashe was in fact dead.But she reincarnated on Penello.

[demondude]

You're an idiot.
You know better than to flame. - Mulley