Something I never got about Cait Sith (spoilers)

[MJN SEIFER]

This is a very minor point in the game, but I just never got it.

Cait is not really "alive" as he is shown in the game, he is remote controlled by Reeve who is in Midgar the whole time, so anything that happens to Cait does not effect Reeve. That is how Cait is able to "die" in Temple of Ancients, as Reeve will just send another one to help the team.

But hears what I don't get, (and remember it's very minor) when Cait goes off to get the Black Materia he tripps, which is fair enough, but he goes "oww". That is the part that confuses me.

Reeve/Cait should not react in pain, both the team and the player know by this point that Cait is just a toy being controlled by someone (we just don't know who yet), so Reeve doesn't need to pretend anymore - further more, who the hell is he pretending to?! There is no one else in the room at the time...:confused:

[Depression Moon]

Yell that did seem a bit strange to me and he also monologued his assumed death like he was a living being. I think Reeve must have some problems. Also how the hell did that new Cait Sith get there so fast!?

[Bahamut2000X]

It's like when you lightly hit something and it doesn't hurt but you still say ow, yet when you actually get hurt you don't.


Also how the hell did that new Cait Sith get there so fast!?

Magic.

[Meat Puppet]

Reeve dropped the remote on his foot

[The Turk]

lmao @ Meat Puppet.

Tbh Cait Sith in general is just a walking plot hole. What I always found funny was that Reeves job as Cait Sith was to get the keystone. Once that's done he just decided to tag along with the party. But how does he get away with it? The thought of him sitting in Shinra Board meetings with Rufus, Scarlet and co while secretly controlling Cait Sith by holding a remote controller in his hands under the table is hilarious.


Rufus: So did everyone understand the plan?
Scarlet: Yes Sir! Kwaa haa haa!
Heidnegger: Yes! Gwaa haa haa!
Palmer: I want lard in my tea...oh I mean yes.
Hojo: Soon the reunion will take place!
Rufus: ......um, cool? How about you Reeves?
Reeves: ......
Palmer: Reeves pay attention moron!
Reeves: Oh...shut up fatty.

Barret: (over the remote controls speakers): What did you call me...
Reeves: Nothing Barret, I was talking to Palmer...
Rufus: ......Reeves, you're fired.

[blackmage_nuke]

I still dont get how a robot can level up or drink potion

[Depression Moon]

It's like when you lightly hit something and it doesn't hurt but you still say ow, yet when you actually get hurt you don't.


Also how the hell did that new Cait Sith get there so fast!? Magic.
Hmm, then why does the party even bother with airships?

[Marshall Banana]

I like to think that Cait Sith No. 1 becomes more than a puppet right before he "dies." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk-3MDguE6I)

He's so cuuute.

[Big D]

I don't see any real "plot holes" surrounding Cait Sith, unless you count the characters being so untroubled by a robotic, magical stuffed toy helping them out. It's not a "plot hole" if they simply didn't explain something fully...

I figure that he is, on some level, 'alive'. At the very least, carrying (or powered by) spirit energy, hence his ability to use materia. And much like FFX's Lulu and her dolls, we're never told exactly how Reeve controls his wee robot kitty. I figure it's something akin to a specialised version of the 'manipulate' materia.

[Zechs]

Well, it is being remote controlled, but it is never shown how the remote process is. Reeve could have synchronized himself with Cait in order to remote control every aspect of the doll. And if that were the case, it would be like he was Cait.

[Big D]

That seems to be how it works in Dirge of Cerberus; the two can move in perfect synch when he wants them to.

[Loony BoB]

I always kind of looked at him as a big white robot thingy with a living cat thingy on top.

Alternatively, he could have been a real thingamajig with Reeves controlling him by means of 'sending orders'. In the advanced world they lived in, it's possible that Cait Sith was partially alive, or even that Reeves was able to 'feel' what his robot was feeling via some kind of magic and/or technology.

[Jiro]

Maybe it's no so much "Oww" as in pain, but as in "Why is my screen looking at the ground now?". Basically, it doesn't have to be an expression of pain.

[The Turk]

I never got why the tried to make the scene where Cait Sith "dies" sad. They already mentioned that he was nothing but a robot being controlled by someone at Shinra, so we should we care that he's about to 'die'? Even if we did think "Aww, this is sad" they would have ruined the emotional scene by bringing in a new Cait 3 minutes later!


Also...just what the hell is he meant to be? Do Avalanche think he is a real cat controlling a moogle robot when in actual fact both the moogle and the cat are controlled by Reeves? Or are they meant to think that the moogle is real too?

Also when everybody bumps into Red XII they ask "It can talk?!!" but when they meet Cait nobody batters an eye lid over it. "Ah, a talking cat who has somehow brought a fat ugly stuffed moogle to life. Nothing out of the ordinary here."

[Darkswordofchaos]

Maby they could tell its a robot or mabey YOU DONT QUESTION A SCOTISH CAT

[Unstoppable Pig]

I haven´t played Dirge of Cerberus but I always thought Caith Sith was "living-robot" who only took orders from Reeve but when it talked it was Caith Sith talking not Reeve. Reeve was just constantly monitoring Caith Sith and let it now if something important happened.


Remember you can see Caith Sith in Honey bee Inn or at least hear his theme. What on earth was that cat doing there? Is Reeve getting some sort of pleasure when his robot gets expensive services?

[Darkswordofchaos]

I haven´t played Dirge of Cerberus but I always thought Caith Sith was "living-robot" who only took orders from Reeve but when it talked it was Caith Sith talking not Reeve. Reeve was just constantly monitoring Caith Sith and let it now if something important happened.


Remember you can see Caith Sith in Honey bee Inn or at least hear his theme. What on earth was that cat doing there? Is Reeve getting some sort of pleasure when his robot gets expensive services?
maby the girls think its just an inocent cat and let him in for free and then reeve waches all the nudity for FREE!!!!

[Marshall Banana]

I never got why the tried to make the scene where Cait Sith "dies" sad. They already mentioned that he was nothing but a robot being controlled by someone at Shinra, so we should we care that he's about to 'die'? Even if we did think "Aww, this is sad" they would have ruined the emotional scene by bringing in a new Cait 3 minutes later!
It's cute.

[PeneloRatsbane]

its just like Toy Story!

[Rostum]

Some of you really need to shut down your computers and go outside for awhile. :p

[Depression Moon]

I haven´t played Dirge of Cerberus but I always thought Caith Sith was "living-robot" who only took orders from Reeve but when it talked it was Caith Sith talking not Reeve. Reeve was just constantly monitoring Caith Sith and let it now if something important happened.


Remember you can see Caith Sith in Honey bee Inn or at least hear his theme. What on earth was that cat doing there? Is Reeve getting some sort of pleasure when his robot gets expensive services?
maby the girls think its just an inocent cat and let him in for free and then reeve waches all the nudity for FREE!!!!

Yep. Reeve likes his porn live.

[Goldenboko]

Whenever I stub my toe I say ow, even if it doesn't hurt.

[Zechs]

Ow is a reaction. it just is said louder if there is pain. Even for something like Cait. Reeve is too familiar with pain, so the reaction slipped out. Either that or there is a mentality synchronization in DoC where he is able to feel what Cait does...

[escobert]

Reeve dropped the remote on his foot

Obviously.

[The Turk]

In the Honeybee Inn isn't Cait Sith in a room with Reeve's parents? They both talk about their son working for Shinra so it makes sense. I think the Cait Sith you see there must be a mini Cait as it looks tiny. Perhaps a little prototype for the real thing.

I think the scene is there just to give you a hint that Cait's a no-good Shinra spy.

[sir helix]

and in AC they robbed cait of his robo-mog.

Cloud- "is that caitsith?"
tifa- "yup sure is"
cloud- "why is he riding Red XIII?"
Tifa- "well, he said he wanted to try new things."

[Darkswordofchaos]

and in AC they robbed cait of his robo-mog.

Cloud- "is that caitsith?"
tifa- "yup sure is"
cloud- "why is he riding Red XIII?"
Tifa- "well, he said he wanted to try new things."

Lol. I hated using cait sith in DoC hes even more usless there than he is in FFVII

[MJN SEIFER]

Yell that did seem a bit strange to me and he also monologued his assumed death like he was a living being. I think Reeve must have some problems. Also how the hell did that new Cait Sith get there so fast!?


I never got why the tried to make the scene where Cait Sith "dies" sad. They already mentioned that he was nothing but a robot being controlled by someone at Shinra, so we should we care that he's about to 'die'? Even if we did think "Aww, this is sad" they would have ruined the emotional scene by bringing in a new Cait 3 minutes later!

I have a theory on why the scene is so emotional, and why Cait/Reeve mentions it being his "Final Farewell" when it isn't. It's a long shot, but a theory nonetheless.



Also...just what the hell is he meant to be? Do Avalanche think he is a real cat controlling a moogle robot when in actual fact both the moogle and the cat are controlled by Reeves? Or are they meant to think that the moogle is real too?

I always assumed they just thought he was part of the Golden Saucer, (which he probably was orginally) so they where slightly confused he decided to follow them, but not suspicious.




Lol. I hated using cait sith in DoC hes even more usless there than he is in FFVII

Your opinion I guess, but I didn't really see any character in FFVII as "usless" as each one can be perfectly leveled and Cait had one of my favourite skills (slots). I haven't played DoC though.


Maybe it's no so much "Oww" as in pain, but as in "Why is my screen looking at the ground now?". Basically, it doesn't have to be an expression of pain.

That's probably it, it makes sense. Thanks for answering me.

[cloud_doll]

well, if you're playing a video game and your person gets shot in the face wouldn't you say ow?

[The Turk]

I'd swear rather than say ow. If I drove a remote control car into a wall I certainly wouldn't say 'ouch' over it.

[The Man]

Cait's "death" was one of the most contrived points in the game. That said,


I have a theory on why the scene is so emotional, and why Cait/Reeve mentions it being his "Final Farewell" when it isn't. It's a long shot, but a theory nonetheless.I'd be interesting in hearing this theory

[sir helix]

I'd swear rather than say ow. If I drove a remote control car into a wall I certainly wouldn't say 'ouch' over it.

I beg to differ, I drove a remote controle car into a wall with me on it and it hurt!!!

It was a big remote controle car, very expensive

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

I never got why the tried to make the scene where Cait Sith "dies" sad. They already mentioned that he was nothing but a robot being controlled by someone at Shinra, so we should we care that he's about to 'die'? Even if we did think "Aww, this is sad" they would have ruined the emotional scene by bringing in a new Cait 3 minutes later!

It was a test to prove that any scene could be made absolutely heartrending if it were set to "Interrupted by Fireworks."

(It worked.)

[Captain Maxx Power]

It was a test to prove that any scene could be made absolutely heartrending if it were set to "Interrupted by Fireworks."

(It worked.)

Even a scene where someone poops into a bucket?

[Darkswordofchaos]

Yeap there is a scene like that on King of the Hill. He poops into a toliet but its still emotional

[MJN SEIFER]

Cait's "death" was one of the most contrived points in the game. That said,


I have a theory on why the scene is so emotional, and why Cait/Reeve mentions it being his "Final Farewell" when it isn't. It's a long shot, but a theory nonetheless.I'd be interesting in hearing this theory


You want to hear one of my theories? Ok (Note: to other members HE ASKED!).


I my theory is that he wasn't saying goodbye because of his own "death", (why would he, everyone knows he isn't really dying), but rather he is saying goodbye to someone else, whom he won't see again ever.

The following contains some non-Cait Sith spoilers which won't be marked so if you haven't completed the game (or at least the first disc) don't read any further.


Cait Sith is a fortune teller. However whether he can genuinely tell fortunes is presumably meant to be ambiguous. (I'm welcoming proof this isn't the case). He has already predicted one fortune, which does come true, but no one understands it (we, the players however - know what it means).

When the Demon's Gate is killed, Cait is asked to predict the future (http://forums.eyesonff.com/search.php?searchid=1058952) by Aeris. Specifically, whether she and Cloud will be matched up in the future. Cait predicts the future and then looks sad, and is reluctant to tell it. When Aeris says it's alright, he says that it is good news, and they will be together.


I think Reeve predicted Aeris' death, maybe not the specifics, but knows now she will die soon, and that she will disappear from the team for a short while, and this is the last time he will have to talk to her (as Cait). I realize that he makes a passing reference to Tifa, but my belief is that, that was an excuse so he didn't have to say anything - he probably assumed that either Aeris would stop asking, or Cloud would stop her from asking, as they would feel guilty about Tifa. But they didn't stop asking - so he lied.

If you watch the "Final Farewell" carefully, you'll see most of the goodbyes are directed at Aeris. Reeve (I shall say "Reeve" for the rest of the theory, because that's who is talking) first gets emotional when Aeris tells him (as Cait) to "be strong", he then comments on the fact that "There are plenty of stuffed toys around, but only one [him]" - this is because he now knows, that Aeris will soon be risking her life for the planet, just like he is doing. The only difference, is that while Reeve is sending a replaceable toy to "die" while he is safe in the Shinra Tower, Aeris is going to actually die for everyone. Something he has already failed to do. (he could have gotten the Black Materia himself, and actually given his life, but he chose not to).

So basically Reeve is not making Cait Sith say goodbye to the team, (because he is already sending another one) but rather, is himself, saying goodbye to Aeris, knowing this the last time he'll really get to say anything to her (when she dies, the rest of the team is to far away from her until she dies), that is what is meant by "The Final Farewell" - I can't describe how I felt, when all this fell into place for me.


So that is my theory guys, I realize it is a long shot, but I like it, and will believe it until proven otherwise - I realize the majority of people here don't like theories - which is why I held back my others even though most of them (such as the J = U theory) have been proven false already, despite all the "evidence*" I had collected.


*Note really evidence, but rather interesting things I found, which looked like they could back up my theory.

[The Man]

interesting idea. It definitely makes as much sense as any other explanation I've heard of that scene :monster:

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

I like it.

[Darkswordofchaos]

that makes alot of sence that could defenitaly be plausable

[The Turk]

Yeah, he could have meant goodbye to Aeris. There is a scene afterwards where he starts to talk to himself, I can't remember what he says so it may be nothing.

I hated him even more after he told Aeris than her and Cloud are perfect for one another as I had Tifa in my party too and she just stood around looking awkward as Cait said that. "Poor Tifa" Cait Sith says, yeah poor Tifa, you big stuffed moogle a**hole!


Yeah good theory. I just think Reeves mentally retarded myself.

[Dr. Acula]

I hated him even more after he told Aeris than her and Cloud are perfect for one another as I had Tifa in my party too and she just stood around looking awkward as Cait said that. "Poor Tifa" Cait Sith says, yeah poor Tifa, you big stuffed moogle a**hole!


I kind of wanted to slap Aeris for asking that question, actually, when Tifa was in my party. I felt so sorry for her.

[MJN SEIFER]

I would like to thank those who read my theory. I am pleased you did, and am further pleased you liked it (of course it is your opinion) - I was under the impression, that you all hated theories here?

[Darkswordofchaos]

I would like to thank those who read my theory. I am pleased you did, and am further pleased you liked it (of course it is your opinion) - I was under the impression, that you all hated theories here?


Only the stupid ones that are proven false by obvious facts and statements in the main game

[MJN SEIFER]

I've not scene that many thankfully. And even the ones I have, make enough sense although they're wrong.

Would people be against theories that have already been proven false but either not realized by the author, or just never posted?

[The Man]

Some of them might be fun to laugh at. And if they've just been retconned by Compilation releases I doubt anyone will mind too much.

[The Turk]

The ones I hate are when people say "Aeris can be revived this is how you do it..."

I did love the one in the VI forum where someone said there was a way to get Leo back and then everyone was saying he was wrong when someone pointed out that his location was Zozo and how everybody lies in that town. That was awesome.

[Skyblade]

MJN SEIFER, I have to admit that at first, I had some serious doubts about your theory. However, I just played that section again (finally got FF7 working all hunky dory on my PC again :)), and I have to say, it makes a lot of sense. There is a small moment when you first meet up with Cait Sith after the Demon Wall where they say good-bye akwardly, but then there is a drastic change in tone when he tells Aeris's fortune. His first fortune (told when he was asked about Sephiroth, if you ignore the two fortune cookie remarks) said that the party would find what they sought, but lose something dear. That was probably all he got, because he was asking about Sephy. In the second fortune, he was being asked about Aeris specifically, and as soon as he reads it, he starts acting a lot more somber. He then "reads" it to the party, but he is the only one who actually sees it. Was it a fake fortune? It's possible. As soon as he gets out of sight of the party his cheerfullness seems to evaporate and he starts to reflect on his own mortality.

Truly an intriguing theory, and thank you for submitting it. I'm not sure it's what was actually happening, but it has given me a lot of food for thought.

[Serapy]

In Crisis Core:

Reeve seemed quite emotional with Zack`s death and even before his death. I`d like to think that he has had some thoughts such as "Should I have stopped this? Was it my fault?"

In Dirge of Cerberus:

Before the end of the game, there was an incident at Cid`s Highwind; Nero unvanished into the ship and his first spawn location was in the engine room. Particularly why the engine room was used as his spawn location, I`m not exactly sure. But I think that he went there to destory the engine, thus making the ship itself ineffective because he didn`t want the team to reach his beloved brother. Cait Sith tried to stop him in the first place and as a result, he went motionless on the ground. Presumably dead. Cait Sith basically wanted to save the team from Nero.


So, where was Cait Sith originated from? Reeve didn`t like seeing his friends die. I`d say Zack has brought a quite impact on Reeve. As a result, Reeve invented Cait Sith (with the image of his toy at the Honey bee when he was a child.)
His reason for inventing Cait Sith was simply just to save his friends` lives.

He could not have saved Aeris`s life because he knew that it would be impossible. That`s why he tried to make Aeris happy by saying that she and Cloud would be a happy couple. Either way, Cait Sith did a great job; sacrificing himself for the Black Materia.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

In Crisis Core:

Reeve

Reeve wasn't in Crisis Core. You must have him confused with Tseng, or something.

[cloud21zidane16]

MJN SEIFER that was actually a really good theory that almost seems possible:)Next time i playthrough im going to look at this scene closer.

[Mercen-X]

Reeve dropped the remote on his footI was going to say something like this.


I still dont get how a robot can level up or drink potion
I figure that he is, on some level, 'alive'. At the very least, carrying (or powered by) Mako/spirit energy, hence his ability to use materia. And we're never told exactly how Reeve controls his wee robot kitty. I figure it's something akin to 'manipulate' materia.Excellent theory. Whenever you use a potion, a green mist surrounds which is reminiscent of the lifestream. So, Cait Sith being powered by Mako would explain how he is able to be healed by potions and ethers.

how the hell did that new Cait Sith get there so fast!? There are helicopters in Final Fantasy VII.

It's like when you lightly hit something and it doesn't hurt but you still say ow.
Done this.

a real cat controlling a moogle robot

Red XIII "It can talk?!!" but when they meet Cait nobody bats an eye over it. "Ah, a talking cat who has somehow brought a fat ugly stuffed moogle to life. Nothing out of the ordinary here."Probably figure it's a dude in a moogle suit with a cat on his head or maybe a talking cat like "talking-beast Red XIII" (explaining why they don't find it weird... because they already met ONE DAMN THING that shouldn't be able to talk, why the hell would they bother questioning anything else) riding atop a robotic slot-machine shaped like a moogle.


Honeybee Inn Cait Sith is in a room with Reeve's parents. They both talk about their son working for Shinra so it makes sense. Perhaps a little prototype for the real thing.Believe it.

I also think the STAR thing wasn't a complete lie. He probably did get a whole compatibility read but misread the information as being Aerith/Cloud when it was actually Aerith/Zack.