Forsaken Lover
03-17-2009, 11:53 AM
http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-x-x-2/80937-whats-so-bad-about-x-2-a.html
I know this thread is old but it’s jus.t..just so full of bias and ignorance, I have to say something. How in the world can something so wrong exist on this forum?
In summary
a) Yuna is a prostitue, bad, mal
b) the message of the game is"do anything you want without fear of loss, or if you do something wrong, then it can easily be fixed"
It reminds me of the petty people who try to summarize FFVII as an angsty blonde stopping an silver-haired emo.
Needless to say both “summaries” are nothing more than pitiful generalizations meant to demean and not really summarize anything. In fact, both so misrepresent the plots of the games, they’re little more than bold-faced lies.
But luckily, it continues on.
In X-2, there is no emergency. Bringing back Tidus from the dead isn't exactly convincing argument to say that "ohh they had to kill Vegnagun RIGHT AWAY". So when and they brought back Tidus, it meant he would come back from death, even worse, non-existence. If that can occur for Tidus, than what fear do Yuna and Rikku have? Not only that, they have a PLAN how to beat Vegnagun.
I have a decent, I’d say good most of the time, memory and X-2's plot is easy enough to recall. That’s why this posts utterly baffled me. It makes no sense...at all. To anyone who’s played X-2, this is rubbish and I can only attempt to understand the thought process here.
For one, there is no correlation between Tidus’ return and defeating Vegnagun. Tidus’ return was onlye ven suggested to be possible after Vegnagun is destroyed.
I have no clue why this user is relating the two points.
Second, Yuna and Rikku did not know Tidus could come back from non-existence and it wasn’t non-existence. He was real as soon as he was brought to Spira. Hell, his “dream mother” was on the Farplane.
So your argument they don’t have to fear Vegnagun because they can conquer death is not supported by anything.
In fact, considering Vegnagun can destroy all of Spira, which includes the Farplane, Yuna and them have ample reason to be scared. It can kill them and remove any chance of an afterlife.
And what plan could this poster be talking about? Their plan was “we’ll beat it.” Much like AVALANCHE and Zidane’s crew, they just charged at where they knew the baddie was and planned to kick its ass.
VI, VII, IX, even in certain cases, IV and IIj; you HAD to beat the enemy. He only gave you a week to live. In VII e.g., they explicitly state that you have 7 days before Seph will pwn all. The others are rather obvious that the final boss will try to destroy the world as quickly as they can. Yet we are not given a timeframe for Vegnagun? There is no emergency, especially if I can use the game's system against itself.
Um, the party had no idea what Kuja was planning in IX. They had no idea if Gaia would last a few hours or a few days.
I will concede that we have to kill the bad guy in a thong... it's just not right. If I actually have to watch him and his stupid thong in FMV form, he's dead. Guaranteed. I WANTED Necron to kill me. That way I'd bash Kuja again. And again. And again. Nothing that threatening about a machine that's barely as large as a tank, does nothing, despite being able to do the same damage that Sin does, and is controlled by an even MORE emo character who moans about
Just above this...
Nothing worse than a fanboy girl who doesn't know what they are talking about.
Look at that statement then look at this...
about a machine that's barely as large as a tank,
This isn’t so much the pot calling the kettle black as it’s the ocean calling a puddle deep.
And how mature to harp on Kuja’s clothing...
It's not the game that rents itself out for prostitution. It is a symbol of what the maker did when they were making this game. They relied on their hardcore fans to give them a profit margin that would have been similar to a normal FF game. Then they used pop-culture and indulged the people that are not hard core about FF, but rather, the general public, whose wiles and wishes follow that of a smaller head than that which encases the brain.
It’s the same tripe RE fanboys sprew. “Only n00bs like RE4" I played VII, VIII, IX and X before X-2. I know plenty of people who have completed all the FF games and guess what? We like X-2.
Applies to males only. who knows what a girl will think, so I can really judge why girls play this game anyway, other than the fact that the game was also had a feminine feeling to it, despite its OBVIOUS entrails to male libidos
Yeah it boggles the mind. I never understood why girls would play VII either with Tifa’s jigglies hanging out and her stretching at the end of each battle. Or play MGS3 with EVA in her underwear in several scenes.
Hm, perhaps, just perhaps, it’s because they find things appealing about the game other than a bit of fanservice?
That can’t be it.
[
In a way I commend them, because well... it worked. Hard core fans did buy this game. It also attracted people who never even enjoyed FF before, and gave them a mirror of what they could easily find on the internet, only in game form fashion. It's really a shame that in a feminine game, that women are portrayed as tools of the public, do be done with and have no private life, and they only way to get around is either to be famous, or a complete whore.
Now I frickin’ draw the line. Until now you’ve been simply a rabid fangirl but this is a heinous misrepresentation of the game for some pseudo-feminist BS.
For one thing, Spira is Yuna’s bitch. They kowtow to her every whim. The Youth League and New Yevon practically fell over themselves to get her to join. Perhaps they wanted to use her but guess what? She joined neither. Guess who stopped both factiosn from going to war? Yuna.
Guess who didn’t have to give a big stupid speech to the public this time around? Yuna.
Guess who went and did whatever the shell she wanted for a majority of the game? Yuna.
True she was obligated against her better judgment for a few minor events but the more important parts of te game were completely her choice and had nothing to do with being a tool or a whore.
The hot springs scene? The J-Pop concert, where she changes on screen and she's glowing without any clothes on?
Congratulations. You’ve now got precisely..well, when she changes from Summoner to Songstress, it takes about 3 or 5 seconds so...that plus the entire hot springs scene makes a grand total of...maybe 4 minutes of the game. Congrats.
At least TV shows can use sex responisbly, to teach a lesson that sex has consequences.
Oh yes, TV is legendary for its responsible view of sex and morals.
The fact that the dressphere changes look like a Sailor Moon change? Soft-core is written all over this game.
To be exact, soft-core porn is the stuff you find in Cinemax. It shows boobs and butt but no genitals or penetration.
So this game isn’t soft core unless we got a full view of boobies.
Rikku wears very little, and she actually wears the most clothes in Lady Luck form, which is NOT something that is supposed to be non-erotic (which is sad, really, if your character doesn't wear enough, and she wears the most when shes in a dress that is like erotica, what do YOU think the reaction of gamers everywhere will be?).
(SPOILER) Male reaction: OMG SHES NOT WEARING ANYTHING! FREQUENT J***ING OFF..
Female reaction: NO WAI SHE LOOKS SO BEAUTIFUL I WISH I COULD BE LIKE HER.
My god...this is so blatantly sexist, it’s sickening.
She has to save the world again from some idiot whos been dead for the past 1000 years? Also another male led around by his hormones. Story of our lives, right?
Well that’s a nature vs. nurture debate but I’m pretty sure in Spira love isn’t dictated by hormones o biological components to our body.
No one wants to hear about that. We want to THINK. The ever increasing human desire to THINK and find out, and to philosphize about something we can't control. Why are we here? Play the game and find out, not "OMG I'M GONNA STAY STUCK IN THE PAST AND BECAUSE IF I CAN DO ANYTHING I CAN SAVE THE PEOPLE I LOVE FROM DEATH".
No surprise the moral of the game eluded you.
For one thing, Yuna has moved on from the past. She’s a totally different, and better, character. But she still loves Tidus...I guess you’d agree with Trema. You should totally foresake your past.
And like I said, moral of the game totally went over your head. It’s about life. The value of life. How life is precious and should not be squandered. Yuna’s very right when she speaks to Nooj. They rationalized and justified their taking of lives but it’s all empty words. There is ALWAYS a choice is the point of this game. A choice to live and continue on living and you should not throw that away.
Death is the most important part of life. Everything no longer a silver lining with death, the most emotional, the most tormenting. Now it's played like a tool to use at our whims, that we can do whatever we want just we feel like it. Life does not work that way.
Death is a stage of life. It has no higher value than any other part of our existence. And again you show your complete lack of understanding of this game. If death could be conquered, guess what? Yuna might just bring back her father for one. Oh...she doesn’t. Well how about all those people slaughtered in the temples in Chapter 3? Nope, not bringing them back either.
Death is inevitable but hardly immutable. You should choose when you should go and not thro waway your life for stupid causes.
Yuna saw how foolish it was for Tidus to go. He gave his life to stop Sin...but a mere two years later, the “Eternal Calm” is shattered. I suspectshe understood then. There was no reason for Tidus to have died. Evil is forever and giving your life to stop a bit of it is ridiculous. Your first choice should always be to live. What was it Auron said:
“Now is the time to choose. Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow.”
Easily suits this situation too. Die for a small cause or live for a higher one.
That’s what X-2's story meant to me anyway.
FFX established that Yuna and Rikku are NOT idiots. X-2 played them like they were.
I just want to quote this for the lulz. Out of the FF main heroines, only Rinoa is dumber than FFX Yuna.
I know this thread is old but it’s jus.t..just so full of bias and ignorance, I have to say something. How in the world can something so wrong exist on this forum?
In summary
a) Yuna is a prostitue, bad, mal
b) the message of the game is"do anything you want without fear of loss, or if you do something wrong, then it can easily be fixed"
It reminds me of the petty people who try to summarize FFVII as an angsty blonde stopping an silver-haired emo.
Needless to say both “summaries” are nothing more than pitiful generalizations meant to demean and not really summarize anything. In fact, both so misrepresent the plots of the games, they’re little more than bold-faced lies.
But luckily, it continues on.
In X-2, there is no emergency. Bringing back Tidus from the dead isn't exactly convincing argument to say that "ohh they had to kill Vegnagun RIGHT AWAY". So when and they brought back Tidus, it meant he would come back from death, even worse, non-existence. If that can occur for Tidus, than what fear do Yuna and Rikku have? Not only that, they have a PLAN how to beat Vegnagun.
I have a decent, I’d say good most of the time, memory and X-2's plot is easy enough to recall. That’s why this posts utterly baffled me. It makes no sense...at all. To anyone who’s played X-2, this is rubbish and I can only attempt to understand the thought process here.
For one, there is no correlation between Tidus’ return and defeating Vegnagun. Tidus’ return was onlye ven suggested to be possible after Vegnagun is destroyed.
I have no clue why this user is relating the two points.
Second, Yuna and Rikku did not know Tidus could come back from non-existence and it wasn’t non-existence. He was real as soon as he was brought to Spira. Hell, his “dream mother” was on the Farplane.
So your argument they don’t have to fear Vegnagun because they can conquer death is not supported by anything.
In fact, considering Vegnagun can destroy all of Spira, which includes the Farplane, Yuna and them have ample reason to be scared. It can kill them and remove any chance of an afterlife.
And what plan could this poster be talking about? Their plan was “we’ll beat it.” Much like AVALANCHE and Zidane’s crew, they just charged at where they knew the baddie was and planned to kick its ass.
VI, VII, IX, even in certain cases, IV and IIj; you HAD to beat the enemy. He only gave you a week to live. In VII e.g., they explicitly state that you have 7 days before Seph will pwn all. The others are rather obvious that the final boss will try to destroy the world as quickly as they can. Yet we are not given a timeframe for Vegnagun? There is no emergency, especially if I can use the game's system against itself.
Um, the party had no idea what Kuja was planning in IX. They had no idea if Gaia would last a few hours or a few days.
I will concede that we have to kill the bad guy in a thong... it's just not right. If I actually have to watch him and his stupid thong in FMV form, he's dead. Guaranteed. I WANTED Necron to kill me. That way I'd bash Kuja again. And again. And again. Nothing that threatening about a machine that's barely as large as a tank, does nothing, despite being able to do the same damage that Sin does, and is controlled by an even MORE emo character who moans about
Just above this...
Nothing worse than a fanboy girl who doesn't know what they are talking about.
Look at that statement then look at this...
about a machine that's barely as large as a tank,
This isn’t so much the pot calling the kettle black as it’s the ocean calling a puddle deep.
And how mature to harp on Kuja’s clothing...
It's not the game that rents itself out for prostitution. It is a symbol of what the maker did when they were making this game. They relied on their hardcore fans to give them a profit margin that would have been similar to a normal FF game. Then they used pop-culture and indulged the people that are not hard core about FF, but rather, the general public, whose wiles and wishes follow that of a smaller head than that which encases the brain.
It’s the same tripe RE fanboys sprew. “Only n00bs like RE4" I played VII, VIII, IX and X before X-2. I know plenty of people who have completed all the FF games and guess what? We like X-2.
Applies to males only. who knows what a girl will think, so I can really judge why girls play this game anyway, other than the fact that the game was also had a feminine feeling to it, despite its OBVIOUS entrails to male libidos
Yeah it boggles the mind. I never understood why girls would play VII either with Tifa’s jigglies hanging out and her stretching at the end of each battle. Or play MGS3 with EVA in her underwear in several scenes.
Hm, perhaps, just perhaps, it’s because they find things appealing about the game other than a bit of fanservice?
That can’t be it.
[
In a way I commend them, because well... it worked. Hard core fans did buy this game. It also attracted people who never even enjoyed FF before, and gave them a mirror of what they could easily find on the internet, only in game form fashion. It's really a shame that in a feminine game, that women are portrayed as tools of the public, do be done with and have no private life, and they only way to get around is either to be famous, or a complete whore.
Now I frickin’ draw the line. Until now you’ve been simply a rabid fangirl but this is a heinous misrepresentation of the game for some pseudo-feminist BS.
For one thing, Spira is Yuna’s bitch. They kowtow to her every whim. The Youth League and New Yevon practically fell over themselves to get her to join. Perhaps they wanted to use her but guess what? She joined neither. Guess who stopped both factiosn from going to war? Yuna.
Guess who didn’t have to give a big stupid speech to the public this time around? Yuna.
Guess who went and did whatever the shell she wanted for a majority of the game? Yuna.
True she was obligated against her better judgment for a few minor events but the more important parts of te game were completely her choice and had nothing to do with being a tool or a whore.
The hot springs scene? The J-Pop concert, where she changes on screen and she's glowing without any clothes on?
Congratulations. You’ve now got precisely..well, when she changes from Summoner to Songstress, it takes about 3 or 5 seconds so...that plus the entire hot springs scene makes a grand total of...maybe 4 minutes of the game. Congrats.
At least TV shows can use sex responisbly, to teach a lesson that sex has consequences.
Oh yes, TV is legendary for its responsible view of sex and morals.
The fact that the dressphere changes look like a Sailor Moon change? Soft-core is written all over this game.
To be exact, soft-core porn is the stuff you find in Cinemax. It shows boobs and butt but no genitals or penetration.
So this game isn’t soft core unless we got a full view of boobies.
Rikku wears very little, and she actually wears the most clothes in Lady Luck form, which is NOT something that is supposed to be non-erotic (which is sad, really, if your character doesn't wear enough, and she wears the most when shes in a dress that is like erotica, what do YOU think the reaction of gamers everywhere will be?).
(SPOILER) Male reaction: OMG SHES NOT WEARING ANYTHING! FREQUENT J***ING OFF..
Female reaction: NO WAI SHE LOOKS SO BEAUTIFUL I WISH I COULD BE LIKE HER.
My god...this is so blatantly sexist, it’s sickening.
She has to save the world again from some idiot whos been dead for the past 1000 years? Also another male led around by his hormones. Story of our lives, right?
Well that’s a nature vs. nurture debate but I’m pretty sure in Spira love isn’t dictated by hormones o biological components to our body.
No one wants to hear about that. We want to THINK. The ever increasing human desire to THINK and find out, and to philosphize about something we can't control. Why are we here? Play the game and find out, not "OMG I'M GONNA STAY STUCK IN THE PAST AND BECAUSE IF I CAN DO ANYTHING I CAN SAVE THE PEOPLE I LOVE FROM DEATH".
No surprise the moral of the game eluded you.
For one thing, Yuna has moved on from the past. She’s a totally different, and better, character. But she still loves Tidus...I guess you’d agree with Trema. You should totally foresake your past.
And like I said, moral of the game totally went over your head. It’s about life. The value of life. How life is precious and should not be squandered. Yuna’s very right when she speaks to Nooj. They rationalized and justified their taking of lives but it’s all empty words. There is ALWAYS a choice is the point of this game. A choice to live and continue on living and you should not throw that away.
Death is the most important part of life. Everything no longer a silver lining with death, the most emotional, the most tormenting. Now it's played like a tool to use at our whims, that we can do whatever we want just we feel like it. Life does not work that way.
Death is a stage of life. It has no higher value than any other part of our existence. And again you show your complete lack of understanding of this game. If death could be conquered, guess what? Yuna might just bring back her father for one. Oh...she doesn’t. Well how about all those people slaughtered in the temples in Chapter 3? Nope, not bringing them back either.
Death is inevitable but hardly immutable. You should choose when you should go and not thro waway your life for stupid causes.
Yuna saw how foolish it was for Tidus to go. He gave his life to stop Sin...but a mere two years later, the “Eternal Calm” is shattered. I suspectshe understood then. There was no reason for Tidus to have died. Evil is forever and giving your life to stop a bit of it is ridiculous. Your first choice should always be to live. What was it Auron said:
“Now is the time to choose. Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow.”
Easily suits this situation too. Die for a small cause or live for a higher one.
That’s what X-2's story meant to me anyway.
FFX established that Yuna and Rikku are NOT idiots. X-2 played them like they were.
I just want to quote this for the lulz. Out of the FF main heroines, only Rinoa is dumber than FFX Yuna.