Serapy
06-27-2009, 03:07 PM
Her Ex-Form consists of a very well known fragment, which is Griever. No matter what the opponent she faces, she always use Griever. I mean, it would make more sense if whenever Ultimecia faces a different enemy (other than Squall), she would read his/her mind and create the fearest/strongest thing from them and fight away because that's obviously one of her strongest abilities. I rate her Manifesting ability higher than her Freezing Time ability, and yet her FT ability is shown in the game.
Any reason why? I only have five explanations:
#1 It would take SquareEnix a lot of more effort to create 18 different Ultimecia Ex-Forms for the other 18 characters. This shouldn't overbuffer the capacity of a DL UMD, as Dissidia is stored at around 1.6gb and a dual-layer UMD is worth 1.8 GB. Enough 200mb for 18 different Ex-Forms? I think so.
#2 Griever is the most utterly powerful creature ever, not only from Squall's mind, but also from all existences. Rendering the strongest/fearest things from the other characters absolutely useless. Hence, she sticks with using Griever in every single battle. The real question here is what made her think that Griever is just ... the goddiest thing ever? I think it's either the symbolism between Squall and Rinoa, or herself alone has contributed to that. If it's the latter, then Ultimecia must have had found Rinoa to be the most dramatic sorceress ever and begun envying her. I'm 100% confident that Ultimecia has learnt about Griever from Rinoa in FF8.
#3 R=U (+ the Artemisia theory). Rinoa has never truly disbelieved, distrusted or betrayed Squall due to thier amazing symbolism. Both of them absolutely loved each other unlike any other couple. When Squall shared about his Griever story to Rinoa, she totally have bought that attention (the ring). So, in the future (after the FF8 ending): Squall dies. Rinoa just couldn't face what happened, her true love has totally lost. In reality, men usually die yonger than women. Anyway, since she's a powerful sorceress, it's LIKELY that she has done something bad due to her desperation. As a result, the high-tech soldiers from Esthar have finally caught and imprisioned her at Sorceress Memorial for many years, just like what they did to Adel. Causing Rinoa to be completely out of control, destroying herself. She's begun forgetting her fond memories about Squall and others. However, the soldiers have forgetten to remove the necklace from Rinoa. While imprisioned, Griever is the only physical thing existing in her own eyes (similar to the incident in space). Which made her think that Griever is actually on her side, and that everything else is “bad and wrong”.
When her imprisonment is ended, she's changed. Probably didn't even know her own name. Someone must have gave her a name (Ultimecia), and well you know what happened next. She has made a mistake passing her own powers to Matron, d-oh! Not her fault, really because it's known that within a few seconds away before you die, you instantly become into an unknown state (due to the defeated status) and you HAVE to pass your powers to someone. You just cannot have the enough strength to think which person should you pass your own powers onto.
#4 Perhaps Dissida is 100% uncanonical, that the Dissida plot has absolutely nothing to do with any Final Fantasy game. Including the gameplay and the designs/features of all Final Fantasy characters after all. But then again, I think it's quite normal to feel like questioning the applied mechanisms from a specific Final Fantasy game into a fighting game. Every character in Dissidia has been re-shaped, re-modified a bit (e.g. Squall now have a Griever face on his belt.) However, thier overalls are still the same.
Which explanation should I go for? I'm tied between #2 and #3. Reasons why I didn't choose #1 and #4
#1 Not just Ultimecia, but the other characters also have thier specific abilities not shown in the game as well. So, it wouldn't be fair if SquareEnix did all 18 different Ex-Forms for Ultimecia and not doing anything to the other characters. Even if SquareEnix did everything (adding more and more abilities for each character, making sure that nothing is missing) then they would require a UMD design that can store more than 2gb ... Actually, I'm not sure because Dissida has the ability to store its files into your memory card so that your PSP can load data quicker. If SquareEnix uses this method to add more abilities and more stuff to Dissida via MC in the future, then I'm sure that would be possible.
#4 It appears that the game is not 100% canonical, as Cosmos has talked with specific characters about thier histories in thier own Final Fantasy games ... However, there's something strange about Cosmos. I don't think Cosmos is real. How could she acknowledge every history of every character? She's like Dream Fayth in FFX ... motivating each character to reach thier goals. I've tried looking for a statement made by SquareEnix regarding Dissida being 100% canonical or not. There's really none. Actually, there's one but it didn't really answer the question:
-The "FF" series' characters which appear in this game already have their own stories but how will they be introduced?
TA: " Dissidia: Final Fantasy"'s story is not directly linked to the "FF" stories these characters come from. However, we have designed it so that, as you get closer to the game's ending, there will be some kind of link you can see relating to each one of them. Also, although this is a different world and story, the characters will keep their recognisable personalities so fans can rest assured. (Laughs)
Small Griever:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1923/dissidaultimeciagriever.gif
Bigger Griever:
http://www.finalfantasytr.com/ff8/ultimecia-2-1.jpg
Hmm, I guess a bigger griever in Dissida wouldn't work. So, this has to be unrelated. But... Ultimecia merging with Griever... Rinoa has the Griever necklace kind-of-merged as well (itself on her upper chest.) In the first picture, her arms appear to be crossed. I'm not sure if crossing your own arms is supposed to mean anything, any clue?
In Dissidia, Ultimecia was seen touching Squall before attempting to kill him in a time-freeze manner:
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6498/ultimeciatouchingsquall.gif
Interesting.
Her time-freeze ability contains two dimensions: one dimension is froze in time (everything in existence), the other dimension is only herself... BTW, this was shown in the Dissida storyline, not gameplay.
Therefore, it's possible that Ultimecia has had dimensioned unseen timelines (no, it's not TC) in FF8 for her own needs ...
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2651/ultimecia2ndform.gif
Why does she have blue stripes on her lower legs? Shows the same in both of her forms... I'm guessing it's cause of the re-modification but I can't help it... blue stripes ?? looks like some sort of a symbol.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9043/ultimecialongfingernail.gif
Her long finger nails!
Edea`s finger nails
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3845/edeafingernail.gif
They both look quite the same! Matron doesn't have these long fingernails (before she was first given powers or possessed by Ultimecia.) Dr. Odine is hiding something here! He claimed that Ultimecia from the future sends her consciousness into here. That is not entirely accurate because when she is inside Edea, she can physically change her look! The long fingernails, eyes colours, and so on. When Ultimecia leaves Edea's body, Edea still have the long fingernails and the look!!
Does Dr Odine have a fetish for long fingernails? Is that why he's not telling the truth? Anyway, Future Esthar is correct, there's something dodgy about Dr Odine, no doubt about it. The reason why I'm posting this bit is because of Rinoa. When Rinoa was possessed (do you know how many times had she been possessed?), Ultimecia never bothered changing her look! Very suspicious :eek: :p
Any reason why? I only have five explanations:
#1 It would take SquareEnix a lot of more effort to create 18 different Ultimecia Ex-Forms for the other 18 characters. This shouldn't overbuffer the capacity of a DL UMD, as Dissidia is stored at around 1.6gb and a dual-layer UMD is worth 1.8 GB. Enough 200mb for 18 different Ex-Forms? I think so.
#2 Griever is the most utterly powerful creature ever, not only from Squall's mind, but also from all existences. Rendering the strongest/fearest things from the other characters absolutely useless. Hence, she sticks with using Griever in every single battle. The real question here is what made her think that Griever is just ... the goddiest thing ever? I think it's either the symbolism between Squall and Rinoa, or herself alone has contributed to that. If it's the latter, then Ultimecia must have had found Rinoa to be the most dramatic sorceress ever and begun envying her. I'm 100% confident that Ultimecia has learnt about Griever from Rinoa in FF8.
#3 R=U (+ the Artemisia theory). Rinoa has never truly disbelieved, distrusted or betrayed Squall due to thier amazing symbolism. Both of them absolutely loved each other unlike any other couple. When Squall shared about his Griever story to Rinoa, she totally have bought that attention (the ring). So, in the future (after the FF8 ending): Squall dies. Rinoa just couldn't face what happened, her true love has totally lost. In reality, men usually die yonger than women. Anyway, since she's a powerful sorceress, it's LIKELY that she has done something bad due to her desperation. As a result, the high-tech soldiers from Esthar have finally caught and imprisioned her at Sorceress Memorial for many years, just like what they did to Adel. Causing Rinoa to be completely out of control, destroying herself. She's begun forgetting her fond memories about Squall and others. However, the soldiers have forgetten to remove the necklace from Rinoa. While imprisioned, Griever is the only physical thing existing in her own eyes (similar to the incident in space). Which made her think that Griever is actually on her side, and that everything else is “bad and wrong”.
When her imprisonment is ended, she's changed. Probably didn't even know her own name. Someone must have gave her a name (Ultimecia), and well you know what happened next. She has made a mistake passing her own powers to Matron, d-oh! Not her fault, really because it's known that within a few seconds away before you die, you instantly become into an unknown state (due to the defeated status) and you HAVE to pass your powers to someone. You just cannot have the enough strength to think which person should you pass your own powers onto.
#4 Perhaps Dissida is 100% uncanonical, that the Dissida plot has absolutely nothing to do with any Final Fantasy game. Including the gameplay and the designs/features of all Final Fantasy characters after all. But then again, I think it's quite normal to feel like questioning the applied mechanisms from a specific Final Fantasy game into a fighting game. Every character in Dissidia has been re-shaped, re-modified a bit (e.g. Squall now have a Griever face on his belt.) However, thier overalls are still the same.
Which explanation should I go for? I'm tied between #2 and #3. Reasons why I didn't choose #1 and #4
#1 Not just Ultimecia, but the other characters also have thier specific abilities not shown in the game as well. So, it wouldn't be fair if SquareEnix did all 18 different Ex-Forms for Ultimecia and not doing anything to the other characters. Even if SquareEnix did everything (adding more and more abilities for each character, making sure that nothing is missing) then they would require a UMD design that can store more than 2gb ... Actually, I'm not sure because Dissida has the ability to store its files into your memory card so that your PSP can load data quicker. If SquareEnix uses this method to add more abilities and more stuff to Dissida via MC in the future, then I'm sure that would be possible.
#4 It appears that the game is not 100% canonical, as Cosmos has talked with specific characters about thier histories in thier own Final Fantasy games ... However, there's something strange about Cosmos. I don't think Cosmos is real. How could she acknowledge every history of every character? She's like Dream Fayth in FFX ... motivating each character to reach thier goals. I've tried looking for a statement made by SquareEnix regarding Dissida being 100% canonical or not. There's really none. Actually, there's one but it didn't really answer the question:
-The "FF" series' characters which appear in this game already have their own stories but how will they be introduced?
TA: " Dissidia: Final Fantasy"'s story is not directly linked to the "FF" stories these characters come from. However, we have designed it so that, as you get closer to the game's ending, there will be some kind of link you can see relating to each one of them. Also, although this is a different world and story, the characters will keep their recognisable personalities so fans can rest assured. (Laughs)
Small Griever:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1923/dissidaultimeciagriever.gif
Bigger Griever:
http://www.finalfantasytr.com/ff8/ultimecia-2-1.jpg
Hmm, I guess a bigger griever in Dissida wouldn't work. So, this has to be unrelated. But... Ultimecia merging with Griever... Rinoa has the Griever necklace kind-of-merged as well (itself on her upper chest.) In the first picture, her arms appear to be crossed. I'm not sure if crossing your own arms is supposed to mean anything, any clue?
In Dissidia, Ultimecia was seen touching Squall before attempting to kill him in a time-freeze manner:
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6498/ultimeciatouchingsquall.gif
Interesting.
Her time-freeze ability contains two dimensions: one dimension is froze in time (everything in existence), the other dimension is only herself... BTW, this was shown in the Dissida storyline, not gameplay.
Therefore, it's possible that Ultimecia has had dimensioned unseen timelines (no, it's not TC) in FF8 for her own needs ...
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2651/ultimecia2ndform.gif
Why does she have blue stripes on her lower legs? Shows the same in both of her forms... I'm guessing it's cause of the re-modification but I can't help it... blue stripes ?? looks like some sort of a symbol.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9043/ultimecialongfingernail.gif
Her long finger nails!
Edea`s finger nails
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3845/edeafingernail.gif
They both look quite the same! Matron doesn't have these long fingernails (before she was first given powers or possessed by Ultimecia.) Dr. Odine is hiding something here! He claimed that Ultimecia from the future sends her consciousness into here. That is not entirely accurate because when she is inside Edea, she can physically change her look! The long fingernails, eyes colours, and so on. When Ultimecia leaves Edea's body, Edea still have the long fingernails and the look!!
Does Dr Odine have a fetish for long fingernails? Is that why he's not telling the truth? Anyway, Future Esthar is correct, there's something dodgy about Dr Odine, no doubt about it. The reason why I'm posting this bit is because of Rinoa. When Rinoa was possessed (do you know how many times had she been possessed?), Ultimecia never bothered changing her look! Very suspicious :eek: :p