Greek text

[Serapy]

The Greek text can be seen in this image:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2402/textfloor.jpg

Here's a better view of the text:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9756/testu.jpg

Well, of course, Square had put random Greek alphabets on certain walls in the game just to make things more interesting. Of course, they don't make sense as a whole. I believe that the developers used some translation (from japanese -> greek) that's why they don't make sense.

After researching for a while trying to find out what was Square really meant to say.

The only closest thing I've found so far is the 'daughters' word. Just that word, nothing else.

Google translation shows:

daughters -> κόρες

The bold word above look relatively smiliar to the one in the picture. I'm not so sure about the following word after κόρε. I'm still trying to find out.

But, I'm pretty sure that Square was meant to say something about daughters somehow.

Ok, let's see...
All of the witches are women in VIII and they are powerful. They are daughters of someone, then? Perhaps, Hyne?

[scrumpleberry]

with all the random punctuation and capitalisation and lack of correct accenting in there, i'm quite sure that they didn't want it to mean anything. That last word is the only unbroken/unweird one, and it transliterates to "phytadapso", which doesn't mean anything. I am ffffairly sure that there's no noun ending which would make kores become kore. I might be wrong. It would never, ever be capitalised though. That first word is all consonants, it's unpronounceable. The second one is "bpfog..th" - distinctly ungreek and doesn't mean anything.

It's like when people get those random azn text tattoos that they don't understand. You really are wasting your time looking for secret messages. Hooray for ignorance!

UNLESS it's referencing Kore, which is Persephone's original name. But I seriously think it's just a coincidence. They still didn't accent it right anyway.

[rubah]

It would be [nearly]impossible to see in the playstation fmv

[Serapy]

Kore is possible. But I somehow doubt Square actually put 'r' instead of 'ρ'.

I think maybe the first word on the top line is supposed to show some number code for daughters.

I've found something regarding the last word on the top line. It's someone who starves for plants?
Garden plants? Ultimecia paintings with plants on them? Grass?

Rubah, yeah, a little. You can see it better in the PC FMV.

[scrumpleberry]

The "p" is the letter rho, which is an r.

Whatever, I really think you should leave this x) it doesn't meeeean anything! If you just say random words you'll be able to connect it to something! Let's say that that word means water. WATER! There are lakes and stuff on the planet! Ulty stabs Squall with an icicle!

[Serapy]

But why would they go through all that trouble? Some alphabets on the picture are almost accurate enough to make up some words. If this wasn't so important, they could have picked far more inaccurate alphabets and put them there. Or they could have spent the time on doing something better, like fixing some bugs, for instance.

Don't forget that the game includes certain histories and symbolisms relating to Greek and Latin.

[scrumpleberry]

Some alphabets on the picture are almost accurate enough to make up some words.

No, they're really really really not x) And why would they have done a skewed, ugly version instead of making it look attractive and accurate if they were fussed about people seeing it?


Or they could have spent the time on doing something better, like fixing some bugs, for instance.

They were lazy :D And I really don't think it's so diffcult to switch a Greek font on and button mash.

I seriously think you're interpreting things that just aren't there. Good luck to you in any case.

[Serapy]

κόρες and κoρε (from the picture) are almost accurate to be identical to each other. SquareSoft would be so lucky if they actually didn't intend for that to happen.

[Darth Cid]

Still it could be have been possible they were aiming to make a random language. After a while video game do resemble real language because there are so many out there, but Greek is one of the most notable language, they didn't mean it to but it does look that way ordeals, or perhaps when Square finished they thought this looks similar to Greek let's make it more so, though it is awkward because it isn't really much of a Greek cultured setting, FFVIII isn't.

[Rantz]

I think it sounds entirely plausible that they used Greek letters just so they wouldn't have to come up with anything meaningful to type. Meaningless decoration, like Squall's redundant belts.

[Darth Cid]

Maybe it says cope, cope with something.

[Christmas]

It's a code that will lead us to Square's secret porn educational website about period? :bigsmile:

[Darth Cid]

I just decoded it!

It says:
"BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE"

[ReloadPsi]

It's designed to make the many cultures of the game's world look different. It doesn't really work all that well, but that's the point of it. It's not meant to say anything.

[Serapy]

You guys don't get it! SquareSoft's put four Greek characters on a thing that's almost the same as a true Greek word except a few mistakes. The point is that the two versions are almost accurate enough to be identical to each other! It's either that it's just a coincidence or SquareSoft being so lucky when they pick random characters from something.

And, the translation of the word happens to be relevant, which is anothing thing to consider here.

[Darth Cid]

My theory and Christmas' theory are still the best ones in my opinion.

[Meat Puppet]

They are daughters of someone, then?
As with all women

[Loony BoB]

It's designed to make the many cultures of the game's world look different. It doesn't really work all that well, but that's the point of it. It's not meant to say anything.
:up:

[Breine]

Wait, scrumpleberry knows greek? cooooooool.


Anyway, it's probably just a coincidence. Someone at Square might have thought that greek letters looked bitchin', and decided to put them there for decorative reasons.

[Moon Rabbits]

They are daughters of someone, then?
As with all women

Hahahahaha I actually lol'd so hard. Baziiiiiiing~

Anyway, I love that every FFVIII theory thread now involves periods.

[Ryushikaze]

...Assuming, for the moment, it's not pure dummy text, why must it have great meaning?

Why put at a deep and meaningful phrase atop a broadcast tower?

It's an ID code, if anything.

[Christmas]

I think it sounds entirely plausible that they used Greek letters just so they wouldn't have to come up with anything meaningful to type. Meaningless decoration, like Squall's redundant belts.

Squall's belts aren't redundant! They are for special "games" in the bedroom! :bigsmile:

[MJN SEIFER]

It's all greek to me...

[Momiji]

I just decoded it!

It says:
"BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE"

A crummy commercial? Son of a bitch.


You guys don't get it! SquareSoft's put four Greek characters on a thing that's almost the same as a true Greek word except a few mistakes. The point is that the two versions are almost accurate enough to be identical to each other! It's either that it's just a coincidence or SquareSoft being so lucky when they pick random characters from something.

And, the translation of the word happens to be relevant, which is anothing thing to consider here.

It's a coincidence if anything, put in the game to add to the atmosphere. Do you listen to music backwards and try to hear secret messages too?


It's all greek to me...

Instant Rimshot (http://instantrimshot.com/)

[Darth Cid]

It's a coincidence if anything, put in the game to add to the atmosphere. Do you listen to music backwards and try to hear secret messages too?

Sometimes that works I hear "He's listening!" when I play Living In The City from Sonic R backwards.[/joke]

[BG-57]

Well since in media the Japanese often use meaningless English and westerners often use meaningless kanji, why not Greek too?

[Serapy]

Do you listen to music backwards and try to hear secret messages too?

How many times do I have to tell you people. I cannot hear or speak in reality. So, perceiving secret messages from any music is absolutely useless to me.

I've said this on this forum about three times already. Way to be rude, Momiji.

[Momiji]

Right, considering that I've read every last one of your posts.

[Serapy]

That's it? Nice manners you have there!

[BG-57]

Do you use Dual Shock then? I find it handy when I have to turn the volume down.

As for the text itself, it's meaningless except as an aesthetic statement.

[Darth Cid]

Do you listen to music backwards and try to hear secret messages too?

How many times do I have to tell you people. I cannot hear or speak in reality. So, perceiving secret messages from any music is absolutely useless to me.

I've said this on this forum about three times already. Way to be rude, Momiji.

Um youtube much? Some people show funny fake lyrics of backwards music on the video screen.

EDIT- Why am I feeding the trolls?

[rubah]

Serapy, I didn't know you were hearing impaired either, so I can understand why Momiji might not know. A few off-hand mentions aren't always evident.

But now that we do know, I hope we will all be a little more respectful.

Don't be so snippy, Jussie :p

[Serapy]

Do you listen to music backwards and try to hear secret messages too?

How many times do I have to tell you people. I cannot hear or speak in reality. So, perceiving secret messages from any music is absolutely useless to me.

I've said this on this forum about three times already. Way to be rude, Momiji.

Um youtube much? Some people show funny fake lyrics of backwards music on the video screen.

EDIT- Why am I feeding the trolls?

Wow, I'm completely losing hope in humanity at this exact moment. Well done!

[Darth Cid]

Um, sorry to hear that but as I have said, you're off the wall in your theories thus I don't know whether you mean this to be a legitimate theory or you're just trolling for the fun of it.

[The Last Oath]

That looks like cyrillic

[MJN SEIFER]

Um youtube much? Some people show funny fake lyrics of backwards music on the video screen.

EDIT- Why am I feeding the trolls?

YouTube wouldn't help because he(?) would still need to HEAR what is said.

Also, how the HELL you concider Serapy revealing that he(?) is deaf to be TROLLING I'll never know! To be honest, I really don't see how you concider his(?), mine, or any other theories trolling - HE'S JUST SPREADING AN OPINION!!! He interepretted a part of the game a certain way, and is posting it to see how we all reacted, and to share his view with us! How is that trolling? Did Serapy go on record to say that FF games where crap? No he did not!

[BG-57]

That looks like cyrillic

It should. St. Cyril based the alphabet used for many Slavic languages on Greek.

[Serapy]

Um, sorry to hear that but as I have said, you're off the wall in your theories thus I don't know whether you mean this to be a legitimate theory or you're just trolling for the fun of it.

Your definition of trolling is way off. If I actually share my theories with honesty, it doesn't mean I'm trolling.

@ What MJN SEIFER said.

[Ryushikaze]

Um youtube much? Some people show funny fake lyrics of backwards music on the video screen.

EDIT- Why am I feeding the trolls?

YouTube wouldn't help because he(?) would still need to HEAR what is said.

Also, how the HELL you concider Serapy revealing that he(?) is deaf to be TROLLING I'll never know! To be honest, I really don't see how you concider his(?), mine, or any other theories trolling - HE'S JUST SPREADING AN OPINION!!! He interepretted a part of the game a certain way, and is posting it to see how we all reacted, and to share his view with us! How is that trolling? Did Serapy go on record to say that FF games where crap? No he did not!

Absolutely none of that is needed for trolling.
In fact, the definition of troll is purely ' someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.'

Even if Serapy isn't a troll, his basing of theories on nothing is also something that should not be fed.

[MJN SEIFER]

But he doesn't base his theories on nothing. This one especially seams to be probably the most obvious one he's done (mostly because he took a picture.)

No theories I have read here so far have been based on nothing. I'm sure Serapy doesn't mind a debate (If I'm wrong Serapy, please say) but it's irelovant to say he bases them on nothing. The same goes with another member of this forum. Who's threads I still enjoy reading.

[Ryushikaze]

There being a picture of greek text doesn't mean there's MEANING to the greek text, especially when none of that text makes actual words. For example, there's a neon sign that says Texas in FF7. That doesn't mean there's a place called Texas in FF7 or any meaning, AT ALL, to this sign.

And FE's nonsense IS based utterly on nothing.

[MJN SEIFER]

There being a picture of greek text doesn't mean there's MEANING to the greek text, especially when none of that text makes actual words. For example, there's a neon sign that says Texas in FF7. That doesn't mean there's a place called Texas in FF7 or any meaning, AT ALL, to this sign.

And FE's nonsense IS based utterly on nothing.

That's fair enough and I do agree with you on this, there probably isn't any meaning on the text, but the argument was he doesn't base it on nothing - he looked up the text, found out what it meant, and saw that it could potentially fit the storyline. It may be wrong, but it's not based on nothing - I have a lot of Theories that have been proven wrong, but they where all based on something. It's just that I interpetted the "somethings" wrong.

And I do see a lot of solid evidence with FE's theories (again that doesn't mean they're correct, but I can see where he gets them from.)

What staggers me though, is that you knew who I was talking about! :D

[Ryushikaze]

That's fair enough and I do agree with you on this, there probably isn't any meaning on the text, but the argument was he doesn't base it on nothing - he looked up the text, found out what it meant, and saw that it could potentially fit the storyline.

But that text DOESN'T have a meaning. It's a random jumble of letters. At one point, it comes close to having a single word that's relevant, but it's not actually that word.


It may be wrong, but it's not based on nothing - I have a lot of Theories that have been proven wrong, but they where all based on something. It's just that I interpetted the "somethings" wrong.

And that's fine. It's continuing on after the 'something' is gone that makes it based on nothing.


And I do see a lot of solid evidence with FE's theories (again that doesn't mean they're correct, but I can see where he gets them from.)

I can see where they come from too, but that doesn't mean they are concrete. He 'gets' the time is divided into several distinct geographic regions idea from the color test in Esthar. He 'gets' that the party is propagators based on 'personality traits' of propagators that aren't there. He 'gets' that the propagators aren't dead based on a blink cycle that simply isn't there. He 'gets' that Ellone is a robot and Rinoa is the real Ellone based on... Nada. He continues to base ever more grandiose theories on unsupported and completely tenuous theories that are unsupported. He jumps from fanciful notion to fanciful notion, acting as if the fanciful notions are support instead of further things to be validated.
THAT is what basing theories on nothing is.


What staggers me though, is that you knew who I was talking about! :D

How could I not? I remember debating with him.

[Quindiana Jones]

I want to marry this thread. :bigsmile:

[Serapy]

Thanks to my Greek friends,

The Ancient Greek version of κορε = Young girl or maiden.
The Modern Greek version of κορε = Daughter

There's a very good chance that SquareSoft doesn't know enough Greek, or hire Greek translators for that matter. You know if you change the language of your Input keyboard to Greek, you'll have some hard time putting exact Greek characters to finish a word.

Proof: they kind of did the same thing to Latin on the paintings in Ultimecia's castle. The Latin words on the painting are spelt correctly BUT the Latin sentences are wrong.

This is very simple because if it's just a ID thing or something out of random, SquareSoft could have put more disoriented Greek characters that means absolutely nothing what so ever, FAR from 'Young girl', 'Maiden', or 'Daughter'. These words are actually relevant in the world of VIII.

[MJN SEIFER]

But that text DOESN'T have a meaning. It's a random jumble of letters. At one point, it comes close to having a single word that's relevant, but it's not actually that word.

I can see what you mean, I just mean how it can be taken to have meaning, the same goes with other theories - a certain theory that's been going so long I don't even know who made it is based purly on a line said by Squall.




And that's fine. It's continuing on after the 'something' is gone that makes it based on nothing.

I am inclined to agree here, that is why all my theories that I am 100% sure have lost their "somethings" are added to the DH list. I will still post these eventually just so people can see them, but I will make sure it is obvious they are already false.



I can see where they come from too, but that doesn't mean they are concrete. He 'gets' the time is divided into several distinct geographic regions idea from the color test in Esthar. He 'gets' that the party is propagators based on 'personality traits' of propagators that aren't there. He 'gets' that the propagators aren't dead based on a blink cycle that simply isn't there. He 'gets' that Ellone is a robot and Rinoa is the real Ellone based on... Nada. He continues to base ever more grandiose theories on unsupported and completely tenuous theories that are unsupported. He jumps from fanciful notion to fanciful notion, acting as if the fanciful notions are support instead of further things to be validated.
THAT is what basing theories on nothing is.

I see what you mean, I am not saying all of FE's Theories are correct (if any), but I still like them more than most other theories I've read. I do agree that his "back up" can be confusing, because of the way he posts them sometimes but some of the theories (Such as the "Time Devision" thing and that Cid might be an evolved Shumi - which you haven't included on your list) to be the most potentially true of his theories - There is a litle more to the "Color Test" thing, than actually to do with color test based on things seen and said in the actual game. Again, they may or may not be correct, but I understand how he reached that conclusion. I have checked them.

Also the "Ellone = Rinoa" theory was based on something - he felt that the two characters looked similar (which they do to a degree) and during that scene where Rinoa "devides herself" in space, one of the "images" looks more like Ellone than Rinoa. This is one of his theories I don't support as much as his others (I really don't think Rinoa is anyone but...Rinoa), but I can see how he got this theory, just like all of you will (hopfully) see how I got all of my incorrect theories - as well as any currently "correct" theories of mine that can be proved wrong. One recent one already has been. Oh, and the "Ellone is a Robot" theory was ended ages ago - FE admited he was wrong on that one.



Thanks to my Greek friends,

The Ancient Greek version of κορε = Young girl or maiden.
The Modern Greek version of κορε = Daughter

There's a very good chance that SquareSoft doesn't know enough Greek, or hire Greek translators for that matter. You know if you change the language of your Input keyboard to Greek, you'll have some hard time putting exact Greek characters to finish a word.

Proof: they kind of did the same thing to Latin on the paintings in Ultimecia's castle. The Latin words on the painting are spelt correctly BUT the Latin sentences are wrong.

This is very simple because if it's just a ID thing or something out of random, SquareSoft could have put more disoriented Greek characters that means absolutely nothing what so ever, FAR from 'Young girl', 'Maiden', or 'Daughter'. These words are actually relevant in the world of VIII.

See? This is where Serapy reveals where (if this theory is correct) where the words could have some relovence to the game.

I am enjoying these threads. They are inspiring.

[Slothy]

This is very simple because if it's just a ID thing or something out of random, SquareSoft could have put more disoriented Greek characters that means absolutely nothing what so ever, FAR from 'Young girl', 'Maiden', or 'Daughter'. These words are actually relevant in the world of VIII.

Why would Square include one word in a jumble of nonsense that might have relevance to the games story?

More importantly, how does it have any more relevance to FFVIII than it would any other game, movie, or otherwise that ever featured a young girl/woman? If the word translated as witch or sorceress I might say you had an argument but I have to say there's nothing to indicate that it's either relevant or intentional. It's certainly not relevant beyond the sense that there are young girls (daughters) in the game.

Stick a thousand monkeys on a thousand type writers for a year and you're bound to get a proper word or two out of it. I'd imagine a team of artists at Square might have a bit more luck.

[Serapy]

VIII has so many women; especially powerful ones like sorceresses and 'unknown' entities such as Ellone. Women can be expressed as an symbolism in this game.

If you were Hyne, would you consider sorceresses as your daughters simply because they have your power?

[Darth Cid]

But Alexandria Castle is run by women, perhaps there's foreseen connection to FFIX.

[Ryushikaze]

I can see what you mean, I just mean how it can be taken to have meaning, the same goes with other theories - a certain theory that's been going so long I don't even know who made it is based purly on a line said by Squall.

This isn't even a line. This is Serapy taking something that's not a word, saying it is a word, and saying it has meaning, when the rest of the text it's surrounded by is the greek equivalent of 'ljhklmnh.'


I see what you mean, I am not saying all of FE's Theories are correct (if any), but I still like them more than most other theories I've read. I do agree that his "back up" can be confusing, because of the way he posts them sometimes but some of the theories (Such as the "Time Devision" thing and that Cid might be an evolved Shumi - which you haven't included on your list)

I would also include it on the 'based on nothing' category, along with the 'Shumi can evolve into anything' and various other notions of his.


to be the most potentially true of his theories - There is a litle more to the "Color Test" thing, than actually to do with color test based on things seen and said in the actual game.

It's an active visual camoflauge system. It needs to be able to broadcast in all colors. Hence the color test and various settings.


Again, they may or may not be correct, but I understand how he reached that conclusion. I have checked them.

Again, understanding how a conclusion is reached does not mean said conclusion has any substance, or basis in fact for that matter.


Also the "Ellone = Rinoa" theory was based on something - he felt that the two characters looked similar (which they do to a degree)

They're Nomura designed. There's a joke about his designs and looking the same.


and during that scene where Rinoa "devides herself" in space, one of the "images" looks more like Ellone than Rinoa.

I've seen that image. It doesn't.


This is one of his theories I don't support as much as his others (I really don't think Rinoa is anyone but...Rinoa), but I can see how he got this theory, just like all of you will (hopfully) see how I got all of my incorrect theories - as well as any currently "correct" theories of mine that can be proved wrong. One recent one already has been. Oh, and the "Ellone is a Robot" theory was ended ages ago - FE admited he was wrong on that one.

Did he not replace it with one more outlandish? That's hardly 'admitting he was wrong.



Thanks to my Greek friends,

The Ancient Greek version of κορε = Young girl or maiden.
The Modern Greek version of κορε = Daughter

There's a very good chance that SquareSoft doesn't know enough Greek, or hire Greek translators for that matter. You know if you change the language of your Input keyboard to Greek, you'll have some hard time putting exact Greek characters to finish a word.

Proof: they kind of did the same thing to Latin on the paintings in Ultimecia's castle. The Latin words on the painting are spelt correctly BUT the Latin sentences are wrong.

This is very simple because if it's just a ID thing or something out of random, SquareSoft could have put more disoriented Greek characters that means absolutely nothing what so ever, FAR from 'Young girl', 'Maiden', or 'Daughter'. These words are actually relevant in the world of VIII.

See? This is where Serapy reveals where (if this theory is correct) where the words could have some relovence to the game.

I am enjoying these threads. They are inspiring.

That is also where Serapy inadvertantly SHOOTS DOWN his own theory, because the rest of the text IS just random greek letters that mean absolutely nothing, and the word that's there isn't even κορε. He has to change what's there to get daughter out of it.

[Serapy]

I tried finding other Greek words that are close to Kope, none... only these words (Daug, girl, woman)

If Square didn't intend to put real words, they could have put like what they did in the first line.

[Darth Cid]

I got one! How about "Ellone = Edea"?

[Ryushikaze]

I tried finding other Greek words that are close to Kope, none... only these words (Daug, girl, woman)

If Square didn't intend to put real words, they could have put like what they did in the first line.

1. It's NOT kope.
2. EVEN IF it is kope, when 75 % of the text is utter nonsense, why expect deep meaning out of one simple word and what amounts to 'lfjkhsd whdbds jhkjhas'

[Serapy]

I tried finding other Greek words that are close to Kope, none... only these words (Daug, girl, woman)

If Square didn't intend to put real words, they could have put like what they did in the first line.

1. It's NOT kope.
2. EVEN IF it is kope, when 75 % of the text is utter nonsense, why expect deep meaning out of one simple word and what amounts to 'lfjkhsd whdbds jhkjhas'

My greek friends say otherwise... Sure it doesn't make sense as a whole, but if you only focus on one word at a time, you can lead to somewhere, far from 'lfjkhsd whdbds jhkjhas'.
But it's true that the characters in the first line are nothing but eye candy.

[Ryushikaze]

Context matters, bridgedweller. This is like seeing the word cat in the mix of what is otherwise gobbledegook. It doesn't mean that 'cat' is in their intentionally or that there's meaning to the gobbledeegook.

[Serapy]

No. If the developers don't know how to put proper Greek sentences, then understanding the context isn't important. However, it's easier to put a word and that's what matters.

They did the same thing to Ultimecia's paintings. The sentences are wrong, but the words are fine.

[Ryushikaze]

No. If the developers don't know how to put proper Greek sentences, then understanding the context isn't important. However, it's easier to put a word and that's what matters.

They did the same thing to Ultimecia's paintings. The sentences are wrong, but the words are fine.

But the words AREN'T fine, bridge dweller. The words are nonsense with one set accidentally making a mispelled word.
The letter clusters have semicolons and other punctuation in them, for fuck's sake.

[scrumpleberry]

please transliterate that word as "kore" it hurts my classics brain when you say kope :(

Also the words aren;t fine with incorrect capitalisation and accenting it's l1k3 tieping liek thys loél.

[Darth Cid]

I think my ovaltine post works.

[Ryushikaze]

please transliterate that word as "kore" it hurts my classics brain when you say kope :(

Also the words aren;t fine with incorrect capitalisation and accenting it's l1k3 tieping liek thys loél.

I 533 wut you did thar.

[Serapy]

No. If the developers don't know how to put proper Greek sentences, then understanding the context isn't important. However, it's easier to put a word and that's what matters.

They did the same thing to Ultimecia's paintings. The sentences are wrong, but the words are fine.

But the words AREN'T fine, bridge dweller. The words are nonsense with one set accidentally making a mispelled word.
The letter clusters have semicolons and other punctuation in them, for smurf's sake.

Consider how can a Japanese developer type correct Greek characters? I don't know how, either. It takes a while to find out which number to enter a specific Greek character.

He obviously didn't have enough time to find out how or else the project's deadline will get delayed, so instead, he puts identical characters and that's about it.

[Ryushikaze]

No. If the developers don't know how to put proper Greek sentences, then understanding the context isn't important. However, it's easier to put a word and that's what matters.

They did the same thing to Ultimecia's paintings. The sentences are wrong, but the words are fine.

But the words AREN'T fine, bridge dweller. The words are nonsense with one set accidentally making a mispelled word.
The letter clusters have semicolons and other punctuation in them, for smurf's sake.

Consider how can a Japanese developer type correct Greek characters? I don't know how, either. It takes a while to find out which number to enter a specific Greek character.

He obviously didn't have enough time to find out how or else the project's deadline will get delayed, so instead, he puts identical characters and that's about it.

He can DRAW THEM, and overlay the bitmap over a mesh repeatedly. Textures over meshes is how you make 3D images, after all.

And the characters aren't 'Identical' at all. They are random and nonsensical with punctuation inside them. Seriously, reread scrumpleberry's post, chewtoy.

[Rantz]

Okay, Ryushikaze, time to stop it with the names. I'm sure your arguments work even without belittling people, no?

[Ryushikaze]

I'm not trying to belittle him with my nicknames, but if you insist, I'll try and reign it in.

[Darth Cid]

Maybe it's a made up language and it says "Someone on an Internet forum post a thread about what this says."

[Christmas]

No. If the developers don't know how to put proper Greek sentences, then understanding the context isn't important. However, it's easier to put a word and that's what matters.

They did the same thing to Ultimecia's paintings. The sentences are wrong, but the words are fine.

But the words AREN'T fine, bridge dweller. The words are nonsense with one set accidentally making a mispelled word.
The letter clusters have semicolons and other punctuation in them, for smurf's sake.

Consider how can a Japanese developer type correct Greek characters? I don't know how, either. It takes a while to find out which number to enter a specific Greek character.

He obviously didn't have enough time to find out how or else the project's deadline will get delayed, so instead, he puts identical characters and that's about it.

I bet the japanese developer also put http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-viii/128022-propagator-manifestation-dimensions.html,
http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-viii/128155-ultimecia-s-physical-consciousness-year-viii-1572-a.html
http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-viii/128036-tunnel.html,
http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-viii/128134-boat-driver.
html,http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-viii/128133-anti-clockwise-mystery.html and
http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-viii/128034-under-ultimecias-throne-room.html in it to make deadline meets. No particular reason, no deep theories or serious debates. Just deadlines. :goomba:

[Darth Cid]

You forget Nuclear War? (http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-viii/128449-nuclear-war.html)

[Serapy]

No. If the developers don't know how to put proper Greek sentences, then understanding the context isn't important. However, it's easier to put a word and that's what matters.

They did the same thing to Ultimecia's paintings. The sentences are wrong, but the words are fine.

But the words AREN'T fine, bridge dweller. The words are nonsense with one set accidentally making a mispelled word.
The letter clusters have semicolons and other punctuation in them, for smurf's sake.

Consider how can a Japanese developer type correct Greek characters? I don't know how, either. It takes a while to find out which number to enter a specific Greek character.

He obviously didn't have enough time to find out how or else the project's deadline will get delayed, so instead, he puts identical characters and that's about it.

He can DRAW THEM, and overlay the bitmap over a mesh repeatedly. Textures over meshes is how you make 3D images, after all.

Woooow, really? Whoever was responsible for that texture must have had a robotic arm to draw the text, since the lines of the text look almost perfect!



And the characters aren't 'Identical' at all.

Have you got evidence that the characters are not identical? If not, then let our opinions speak for themselves.



They are random and nonsensical with punctuation inside them. Seriously, reread scrumpleberry's post, chewtoy.

Just because I put something that outputs absolutely nonsensical; unintentional or not, doesn't mean it becomes absolutely meaningless.

[Ryushikaze]

Woooow, really? Whoever was responsible for that texture must have had a robotic arm to draw the text, since the lines of the text look almost perfect!

MSPAINT, Serapy. Copypaste letters randomly.


Have you got evidence that the characters are not identical? If not, then let our opinions speak for themselves.

Have you got evidence they are? If no, then your claim is baseless.


Just because I put something that outputs absolutely nonsensical; unintentional or not, doesn't mean it becomes absolutely meaningless.

Yes. Yes it does. Nonsense, especially intentional nonsense, has no meaning. A nonsense phrase is a meaningless phrase.

[Rad Bromance]

I'm pretty sure they just thought it would look cool.

[BG-57]

That's what I said 40 posts ago. :greenie:

[Sir Bahamut]

I seriously don't get the appeal of arguing with Serapy about stuff like this. I mean....just read his posts, then look at his avatar. It all speaks for itself XD

[Rantz]

I seriously don't get the appeal of arguing with Serapy about stuff like this. I mean....just read his posts, then look at his avatar. It all speaks for itself XD

xD

[Serapy]

Woooow, really? Whoever was responsible for that texture must have had a robotic arm to draw the text, since the lines of the text look almost perfect!

MSPAINT, Serapy. Copypaste letters randomly.

They used MSPAINT to draw textures? Pro!




Have you got evidence that the characters are not identical? If not, then let our opinions speak for themselves.

Have you got evidence they are? If no, then your claim is baseless.

Have you got evidence they are not? If no, then your counter-claim is baseless.




Just because I put something that outputs absolutely nonsensical; unintentional or not, doesn't mean it becomes absolutely meaningless.

Yes. Yes it does. Nonsense, especially intentional nonsense, has no meaning. A nonsense phrase is a meaningless phrase.

They added Latin words with the wrong sentences on Ultimecia's paintings. Was that intentional nonsense too?

[Darth Cid]

Have you got evidence they are not? If no, then your counter-claim is baseless.

Have you got evidence they are not and are and are not and are? If no, then your counter-counter-claim is baseless.

[Serapy]

Have you got evidence they are not? If no, then your counter-claim is baseless.

Have you got evidence they are not and are and are not and are? If no, then your counter-counter-claim is baseless.

I already have.

[Momiji]

Just because I put something that outputs absolutely nonsensical; unintentional or not, doesn't mean it becomes absolutely meaningless.

Yes. Yes it does. Nonsense, especially intentional nonsense, has no meaning. A nonsense phrase is a meaningless phrase.

They added Latin words with the wrong sentences on Ultimecia's paintings. Was that intentional nonsense too?

Yes!

Congratulations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDajqW561KM), you finally get it.

[Serapy]

Not really. It was actually not intentional nonsense.

[qwertysaur]

It is simply there to look pretty, the same reason several Japanese shirts say fuck (without the filter) these days. They have no idea what it means but it's letter art. :p

[Momiji]

Not really. It was actually not intentional nonsense.

Can you prove that outside of absurd theories?

[Darth Cid]

Not really. It was actually not intentional nonsense.

Can you prove that outside of absurd theories?

No.

[Ryushikaze]

They used MSPAINT to draw textures? Pro!

Let's break this down. Even MSPAINT has Copypaste and a 'text' option. Their texture programs have copypaste and 'text' options.



Have you got evidence they are? If no, then your claim is baseless.

Have you got evidence they are not? If no, then your counter-claim is baseless.

1. Certainly, you can do better than copy-pasting my words and adding 'counter' to it, child.
2. The default claim is never baseless.
3. My 'counter claim' does not need to be substantiated if your original claim is not.


They added Latin words with the wrong sentences on Ultimecia's paintings. Was that intentional nonsense too?

That's not nonsense, however. These greek letters spell utter nonsense. It's Dummy Text.

It's, and I know this is hard to grasp for you, MEANINGLESS FILLER.

[Momiji]

Not really. It was actually not intentional nonsense.

Can you prove that outside of absurd theories?

No.

It was a rhetorical question.

[Serapy]

This is not meaningless. You're just refusing to believe it because common sense overpowers you.

If this thread was about a blank wall or some paint, it wouldn't reach 2 pages or so.

[Christmas]

Cause you are the one that had been posting to make it get to two pages? We can always delete our posts if you want. :bigsmile:

And getting two pages doesn't mean anything! A lot of spam or random threads get to ten pages for no particular reasons. :bigsmile:

And sorry, we really cannot think like you which doesn't involve common sense but that doesn't mean we must get lectured for using common sense right? :bigsmile:

[Serapy]

We use VIII's common sense, not our actual common sense.

[Momiji]

...

What?

My common sense says that your common sense is broken. Even if a bunch of jumbled-up Greek may happen to form a word, it doesn't mean it's significant. THAT is common sense.

[Serapy]

So, Square wastes time on typing the text and putting it over there because it's not significant? Not to mention that they were in a hurry to finish VIII?

Yeah, okay.

[BG-57]

Are you perhaps trying to distinguish between external and internal logic?

External logic is what concerns the creators of the game (Square) and the players (us).

Internal logic is what concerns the characters who are (presumably) unaware that they are in a story.

We have been discussing the external logic behind the text: why the game makers put in the Greek letters in this way.

If you are trying to suggest that it has meaning internally, that may well be true, unless Dollet puts random Greek letters on their communication equipment. It could be like a serial number or something.

But the consensus seems to be it has no greater meaning externally. And the partial matches have not been persuasive.

[qwertysaur]

Serapy, the argument is that you are finding meaning in something that looks like this.

rehewaos ret face rgvw.

And you are then taking the word face out of context with where it comes from. Greek looks cool, especially to Japanese people who never saw anything like it before.

Also it could be a number, the greeks used letters for numbers as well. That would make the text translate to

6060040;4 2500703..9
20701005, 5005030014170070

which again has no meaning at all.

[Momiji]

So, Square wastes time on typing the text and putting it over there because it's not significant? Not to mention that they were in a hurry to finish VIII?

Yeah, okay.

Do you know anything about Japan at all? It's extremely common for them to use words in other languages-- especially English-- in music and games if not only because they 'look cool' to them-- and it's often used incorrectly, has many errors, and is completely out-of-context. It's the same with the Greek text. It's already been proven that everything else is gibberish. The fact that there happened to be one legitimate word in there has no significance whatsoever.

Allow me to emulate your hilariously broken logic.

alkfldkfnaskjfndsjkkssubsalkjdslkjsdacsdocnweoinviewufdsalkf

There. I just pressed a bunch of keys on my keyboard, and oh, look. I see the words 'sub', 'salk' (twice, even!) and 'view' in there. I made a few unintentional legitimate words, and therefore the hidden meaning behind my bull:bou::bou::bou::bou: gibberish is something about Jonas Salk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk) viewing submarines.

[Darth Cid]

We use VIII's common sense, not our actual common sense.

That is pricelessly illogical.

[Serapy]

We use VIII's common sense, not our actual common sense.

That is pricelessly illogical.

No, it isn't. When playing the game, you're supposed to be held captive inside its universe. You think and feel inside that universe. Using our actual common sense to feel, judge, etc while playing the game is actually illogical. Our real world isn't VIII.

Yes, BG-57, that's it.


Do you know anything about Japan at all? It's extremely common for them to use words in other languages-- especially English-- in music and games if not only because they 'look cool' to them-- and it's often used incorrectly, has many errors, and is completely out-of-context. It's the same with the Greek text. It's already been proven that everything else is gibberish. The fact that there happened to be one legitimate word in there has no significance whatsoever.

Allow me to emulate your hilariously broken logic.

alkfldkfnaskjfndsjkkssubsalkjdslkjsdacsd ocnweoinviewufdsalkf

There. I just pressed a bunch of keys on my keyboard, and oh, look. I see the words 'sub', 'salk' (twice, even!) and 'view' in there. I made a few unintentional legitimate words, and therefore the hidden meaning behind my bull gibberish is something about Jonas Salk viewing submarines.

Not really. That 'alkfldkfnaskjfndsjkkssubsalkjdslkjsdacsd ocnweoinviewufdsalkf' of yours is no where near the mentioned line.

[Momiji]

But it makes just as much sense, if not more.

[Ryushikaze]

No, it isn't. When playing the game, you're supposed to be held captive inside its universe. You think and feel inside that universe. Using our actual common sense to feel, judge, etc while playing the game is actually illogical. Our real world isn't VIII.

Yes, BG-57, that's it.

Using internal logic, there's even less reason to assume there is any meaning, outside of a serial number.


Not really. That 'alkfldkfnaskjfndsjkkssubsalkjdslkjsdacsd ocnweoinviewufdsalkf' of yours is no where near the mentioned line.

Yes it is. In fact, it's arguably more 'word' to 'dummy' than the letters in game.

[BG-57]

Serapy, you've suceeding in making at least one theory I can understand then; something Future Esthar was never able to do. So congrats on that!

The reason I wanted to clarify that point is the fact that what we have been discussing is externalities. Presumably, the text means something to the characters, but that doesn't automatically follow that it has meaning for us the players beyond aesthetic value.

[Darth Cid]

No, it isn't. When playing the game, you're supposed to be held captive inside its universe. You think and feel inside that universe. Using our actual common sense to feel, judge, etc while playing the game is actually illogical. Our real world isn't VIII.

No, actually if I ever want to make someone's head explode I will show them that arguement.