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Forsaken Lover
12-11-2009, 10:38 AM
I've noticed gaming, for better or worse, stars a lot of characters who really blur the line between a good guy and a bad guy.

This is a thread for discussing which characters you think are what.

I am pretty sure this could be interesting if we find enough fans of the same series but with differing views.

I'll start with a couple characters whom await your judgment:
Kain
http://obd.wikispaces.com/file/view/kain_11.jpg/86896577/kain_11.jpg

and

Krelian
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/SnakeLinkSonic/krelian01.jpg

Meat Puppet
12-11-2009, 03:09 PM
http://twistedjunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/yusuf-amir-gtaIV.jpg
yusuf amir
badass or badass nigga gangsta

JKTrix
12-11-2009, 03:36 PM
an⋅ti⋅he⋅ro
–noun
a protagonist who lacks the attributes that make a heroic figure, as nobility of mind and spirit, a life or attitude marked by action or purpose, and the like.

No need to say 'this guy is a hero' or 'this guy is a villain' when there is already a word to describe such cases.

Could still make for interesting discussion, I suppose.

Bolivar
12-11-2009, 09:01 PM
JKTrix, you're no fun!!!



I'll start with a couple characters whom await your judgment:
Kain
http://obd.wikispaces.com/file/view/kain_11.jpg/86896577/kain_11.jpg


I haven't played Defiance in years (actually i think i re-played the beginning last year) but I think Kain was just a guy who got put into a fucked up situation, he didn't necessarily ask to be a vampire, or a chosen-one vampire at that, but at the end of the day the world would have been much worse without his decisions. Kind of like Paul Muad'Dib.

My input:

http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-02/art/mgs-big-boss.jpg

LunarWeaver
12-11-2009, 09:15 PM
I don't remember either of them very much :( I recall thinking the "villain" of Final Fantasy XII was not just I'm-evil-lol. He had some other intentions going on.

Raistlin
12-11-2009, 09:20 PM
Best example:

http://gensopedia.duefiumi.com/images/8/80/Jowy_Atreides-Blight.png

Depression Moon
12-11-2009, 10:24 PM
Cammy HUh?

black orb
12-11-2009, 10:30 PM
>>> Lol..:luca:

JKTrix
12-12-2009, 12:14 AM
Cammy HUh?

It's fun to see how your pool of gaming experience shapes your comments and opinions sometimes, but this is one time that I can understand. Generic-looking blonde characters are a dime a dozen.

That character is Jowy from Suikoden 2, a guy.

NeoCracker
12-12-2009, 01:14 AM
I don't want to dig up a picture, and to even mention his name will be a massive spoiler of the games. It's from the Xenosaga Series. Wilhelm. He spends the whole game manipulating people, causing untold suffering to others. Though in the end you find out why it is he does it, it's his attempt to stop the world from ending. Mind you, this is by basically pushing the restart button over, and over again, all before the world can end, but regardless, his goal truly was noble, if not a bit misguided.

Raistlin
12-12-2009, 01:20 AM
Cammy?!? Jowy is a man's man! :mad2:

Forsaken Lover
12-12-2009, 03:35 AM
JKTrix, you're no fun!!!



I'll start with a couple characters whom await your judgment:
Kain
http://obd.wikispaces.com/file/view/kain_11.jpg/86896577/kain_11.jpg


I haven't played Defiance in years (actually i think i re-played the beginning last year) but I think Kain was just a guy who got put into a smurfed up situation, he didn't necessarily ask to be a vampire, or a chosen-one vampire at that, but at the end of the day the world would have been much worse without his decisions. Kind of like Paul Muad'Dib.

That's my opinion as well. Hoorayf or agreement!





I don't want to dig up a picture, and to even mention his name will be a massive spoiler of the games. It's from the Xenosaga Series. Wilhelm. He spends the whole game manipulating people, causing untold suffering to others. Though in the end you find out why it is he does it, it's his attempt to stop the world from ending. Mind you, this is by basically pushing the restart button over, and over again, all before the world can end, but regardless, his goal truly was noble, if not a bit misguided.

Ehhhh
Wilhelm is an odd case. I loathe what he does to Margulis. He's also probably responsible for the deahs of hundreds of thousands or millions of people.
Of course, as you said, this was to preserve the universe and the lives of billions of people along with existence itself.
His whole anti-human speeches can be seen as him "playing the villain" like he mtniosn in Episode II.
Shion and the Database also speculate Wilhelm wanted someone to reject his way of doing things and find another path to salvation.

NeoCracker
12-12-2009, 03:38 AM
JKTrix, you're no fun!!!



I'll start with a couple characters whom await your judgment:
Kain
http://obd.wikispaces.com/file/view/kain_11.jpg/86896577/kain_11.jpg


I haven't played Defiance in years (actually i think i re-played the beginning last year) but I think Kain was just a guy who got put into a smurfed up situation, he didn't necessarily ask to be a vampire, or a chosen-one vampire at that, but at the end of the day the world would have been much worse without his decisions. Kind of like Paul Muad'Dib.

That's my opinion as well. Hoorayf or agreement!





I don't want to dig up a picture, and to even mention his name will be a massive spoiler of the games. It's from the Xenosaga Series. Wilhelm. He spends the whole game manipulating people, causing untold suffering to others. Though in the end you find out why it is he does it, it's his attempt to stop the world from ending. Mind you, this is by basically pushing the restart button over, and over again, all before the world can end, but regardless, his goal truly was noble, if not a bit misguided.

Ehhhh
Wilhelm is an odd case. I loathe what he does to Margulis. He's also probably responsible for the deahs of hundreds of thousands or millions of people.
Of course, as you said, this was to preserve the universe and the lives of billions of people along with existence itself.
His whole anti-human speeches can be seen as him "playing the villain" like he mtniosn in Episode II.
Shion and the Database also speculate Wilhelm wanted someone to reject his way of doing things and find another path to salvation.
His desire to want someone to find another way is another reason I see him as an excelent example for this thread. He himself is doing this the only way he knows how, and is probably more then aware of what exactly his plans mean will happen, and is also aware that it isn't an Ideal situation, but its the best he can do. This realization tells me he truly does want whats best for all humanity.

Kyros
12-12-2009, 04:03 AM
JOWY WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

So was Delita from FFT :)

Raistlin
12-12-2009, 04:27 AM
Can we, y'know, not quote the same large picture in every post? Kthx.

Kyros: Delita is indeed another good example.

Meat Puppet
12-12-2009, 07:29 AM
Kain
http://obd.wikispaces.com/file/view/kain_11.jpg/86896577/kain_11.jpg


I think his biggest problem would be dressing himself with hands like those
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/liamd/signatures/please_can_i_commit_suicide.jpg

Huckleberry Quin
12-13-2009, 11:51 PM
Surely his biggest problem would be any kind of sexual contact with either himself or any other being with hands like those??

Forsaken Lover
12-14-2009, 09:47 AM
But...everyone knows Kain and Rayne are a perfect couple.