LOST - Season 6

[Moon Rabbits]

I don't see Miles making it to the end of next week. Jus' sayin'. There are never any spoilers about him though, so who knows.

And oh man, either the next episode or the one after, something crazy sub = exploded (this like what, the third time that's happened?) happens that kills: Sun, Widmore, and Sayid.

[PeneloRatsbane]

I thought Miles had a centric coming up the one before the finale, called "What they Died for" or at least he was spotted when they were filming that one
Also i heard that Jeremy Davies and the people who play Danielle and Karl will also be in that one

[Moon Rabbits]

I thought Miles had a centric coming up the one before the finale, called "What they Died for" or at least he was spotted when they were filming that one
Also i heard that Jeremy Davies and the people who play Danielle and Karl will also be in that one

Ah, you're totes right, actually. Idk if it will be Miles-centric, it seems more likely it will be a "everybody-centric" imho"

but ya, I was wrong!

[PeneloRatsbane]

I thought Miles had a centric coming up the one before the finale, called "What they Died for" or at least he was spotted when they were filming that one
Also i heard that Jeremy Davies and the people who play Danielle and Karl will also be in that one

Ah, you're totes right, actually. Idk if it will be Miles-centric, it seems more likely it will be a "everybody-centric" imho"

but ya, I was wrong!

Phew, I love Miles. him and Frank are the only living members of team freighter and they are both so snarky. Would have been heart broken to loose Miles next week

[Flying Mullet]

I think the fact that we got an <i>answer</i> about something from season 1 (what the voices are) was even more shocking than Illana blowing up. As soon as she got the dynamite I had a feeling that was going to happen.
And it was answered so simply and matter-of-factly that I kept thinking, "Okay, where's the twist?" Lost is never that simple!

[Psychotic]

Whisper transcripts - Lostpedia - The Lost Encyclopedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts) Makes for some interesting reading now we know what they are. Also that dead woman screaming about Locke in Season 3 now makes sense - guess they planned it all along!
Phew, I love Miles. him and Frank are the only living members of team freighter and they are both so snarky. Would have been heart broken to loose Miles next weekYeah it'd suck big time to lose either one of those guys.

[McLovin']

You know, they could sort of explain zack and emma's significance by making them adam and eve (the skeletons from the caves).

And something interesting: Desmond said at the end of Happily Ever after to Ben, "I have a son named Charlie." Soooooo either freudian slip on the producers or a mistake or whatev it would mean "Island" Desmond killed Flocke after falling into the well.
Also Desmond doesn't know that Locke is dead. So he trusts him of course, why wouldn't he?

[Moon Rabbits]

OMG DESMOND!?

[Miriel]

This is what I thought was going to happen and I freaked out for a sec:

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Also, I thought their reunion was anti-climatic and weird how they were speaking in English.

And Desmond was being creepy in alt-Universe. If I were Claire I would've edged slooowly away from creepy stalker guy. And lol @ that well being so shallow. It totally looked shallow enough to climb out of, unless both his legs are broken or something. Zombie Sayid continues to annoy. I will be major disappointed if Jack's ex-wife ends up being Juliet. I hope Tina Fey Lookalike dies in a fire soon. Bugs the hell outta me. Overall, I liked the episode. It was a setup episode, but at least it was exciting! I feel like everything is starting to collide and it's about time!

As for a couple of the things that have been revealed the past couple episodes like whispers = dead people and Christian Shepard = Smoke Monster, I feel like these answers to questions that have been around for so long seem empty not really rewarding. Maybe because the answers are coming so long after the questions were originally raised? I dunno. I feel like so many of these supposed answers are blatant attempts to tie up loose ends, and seem forced and really coming too late to make much sense.

[Psychotic]

Haha yeah I was sure that Sun and Jin were going to get pof'd as well. They set it up that way deliberately, they knew we'd expect it!

Get the hell off my god damn boat.

[No.78]

Yeah I was expecting Jin and Sun to get brain-fried too. I'm not sure if I was disappointed or not, lol.

It made me a bit wobbly. "We will never be apart again." :'(

[Del Murder]

Just a set up episode, but at least it kept my interest the whole way through. I too expected Jin & Sun to get fenced.

[Croyles]

Epiphany Jack is cool.

[Levian]

Kate was such a pushover in this episode.

Sawyer: Let's boat
Kate: we have to bring claire with us
Sawyer: no
Kate: ok

Kate: we have to go back for jack
Sawyer: no
Kate: ok

[Moon Rabbits]

Kate was such a pushover in this episode.

Sawyer: Let's boat
Kate: we have to bring claire with us
Sawyer: no
Kate: ok

Kate: we have to go back for jack
Sawyer: no
Kate: ok

I didn't notice this because I never have really seen Kate make up her own mind ever once.

[McLovin']

How can MIB be Christian if he appeared to Michael on the freighter?

[Croyles]

How can MIB be Christian if he appeared to Michael on the freighter?

Im not catching your thought process here. :confused:

[McLovin']

Well remember in Recon Sawyer asked MIB: "Well why don't you just go over there [hydra island]?" And MIB says: "I would if I could" or something. To me that said he couldn't cross water meaning that's why he can't leave the island.

And I remember the producers said in a podcast that Christian should be classified as "undead."

Edit: This was it:
"We have this, this is actually a funny story. We have this board in the um, in the, in the room. With all the actors in the writers room. With all the actors who are on the show. All of the Oceanic 815ers. But then, all of the sort of recurs, like Penny Widmore, and Charles Widmore and..." Carlton: "We have their headshots. So we can keep track of who we have on the show." Damon: "And Matthew Abaddon and... yeah, so everybody. They go onto a door that says "deceased"; once they die, we move them over there. And then there's the door that says "undead". And on the undead door there's only three pictures. One of them is Christian Shephard, and one of them is Yemi. And the other one is..." Carlton: "Kate's horse. Just a picture of a horse. So Kate's horse is undead."

Oh and uh in the season 5 finale Christian said to Locke: "Say hello to my son." Not something smokie would say imo.

[PeneloRatsbane]

Oh and uh in the season 5 finale Christian said to Locke: "Say hello to my son." Not something smokie would say imo.

I figured that was just to convince Jack to go back.

I really liked Jack in this episode. I want Juliet to be his ex-wife, because I could see them being together at some point and it not working out.
Lol at David dressed as mini-Jack

When Miles was talking about Jin and Sun only being able to speak Korean I really wanted a Charlotte suddenly being able to speak Korean scenario (thus remembering her island times and Dan) to sort out the restaurant mess. But no way that would happen.

I don't like Sawyer that much this series, I didn't like him telling off Jack. I miss Lafleur.

Frank, awesome as always, going below decks with the ladies....(and hurley)

[McLovin']

YouTube - John Locke - Like A Boss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHUmkcGLVwE&feature=player_embedded#)!

I think this sums up the ridiculousness of Lost :)

[No.78]

Yeah Sawyer was a douche. :( But I did feel like Jack was digging himself into a hole.

"Jack, shut up. He's not joking. Jack, SHUT UP. SHUT U- Oh now you're all wet."

Jack does need to just shut up with this destiny crap. I know he's probably right, but imagine if you were in that situation. You'd want to just go home, wouldn't you?

[Psychotic]

He's already been home, though, and he tried to kill himself when he was there.

[Flying Mullet]

Sawyer, not Jack.

[PeneloRatsbane]

Whats Sawyer got to go home for? I mean the only reason would be to meet his daughter who he knows nothing about. Would be weird if he hooked up with Kate tho seeing as Cassidy and Clementine know her so well.
He had a better life on the Island and its just not fair that Juliet who wanted to go home so much (prior to series 5) died and never got to go home.
I never thought I would say this but I hope he dies.

Edit: OMG did you hear some idiot apparently left a call sheet for the finale on a Bar, tut tut tut that is amatuer

[Flying Mullet]

Holy crap, what an amazing episode last night! I feel so sorry for Sawyer now. :(

Oddly enough, it reminded me of the Richard episode.

[LowCaloriePie]

Holy crap, what an amazing episode last night! I feel so sorry for Sawyer now. :(

Oddly enough, it reminded me of the Richard episode.

They aired a new episode last night? :confused:
My television lied!!

[Kirobaito]

Holy crap, what an amazing episode last night! I feel so sorry for Sawyer now. :(

Oddly enough, it reminded me of the Richard episode.

They aired a new episode last night? :confused:
My television lied!!
lol

[McLovin']

Holy crap, what an amazing episode last night! I feel so sorry for Sawyer now. :(

Oddly enough, it reminded me of the Richard episode.

They aired a new episode last night? :confused:
My television lied!!

No, don't worry :p

[No.78]

Stupid breaks are stupid. Oh well at least it's not like a month or something silly like they used to do.

4 episodes left. :|

[Loony BoB]

"Surprise! We've done so well with this series that we're going for seven seasons after all! And making a movie! And a few more games! And two spinoff series!"

[Flying Mullet]

Holy crap, what an amazing episode last night! I feel so sorry for Sawyer now. :(

Oddly enough, it reminded me of the Richard episode.

They aired a new episode last night? :confused:
My television lied!!

No, don't worry :p
:shifty: :angel:

[Moon Rabbits]

LOL OMFG SPOILERS. TUESDAY'S EPISODE IS GONNA BE NUTS. Lost is also officially killing all my favorite characters within the next 2 weeks.

Who Adam and Eve are have been (reliably) leaked and it is disappointing. Smoke Monster's origins next week.

Who dies!: Sun+Jin, Sayid, Widmore. Sawyer "dies" but comes back later. Kate is shot.

Adam and Eve are: MIB and his crazy mother. IDK about anyone else, but that doesn't make me think "they planned it from the beginning." Quite the opposite.

[Del Murder]

Argh, so tempting to click the spoilers but I must resist!

[PeneloRatsbane]

OMG look at those *spoiler* tabs sitting there hiding juicy tidbits of information, oh the temptation! Thats quite evil really LOL. I will resist.

[No.78]

Seriously cannot wait. :|

The trailer scared me :bou::bou::bou::bou: out of me, it was like a horror trailer.

[Flying Mullet]

Who dies!: Sun+Jin, Sayid, Widmore. Sawyer "dies" but comes back later. Kate is shot.

You know you want to! :p

[McLovin']

spoilers

Could you not resist that podcast lol? They did say they were spoiling some major stuff. :p

[Croyles]

Well once again Moon Rabbits has spoiled Lost for me since the email notifications dont have the spoilers hidden. I didnt even read it I just glimpsed it accidentally. I saw two character names before clicking away in fury.

Damn you Moon Rabbits! :mad2:

[Del Murder]

That sucks. :(

Don't subscribe to this thread!

[Croyles]

And anyway, I already consider it a spoiler telling us that lots of people are dying next episode. :(

It HAS caught my interest in the next episode now though.

[Loony BoB]

And anyway, I already consider it a spoiler telling us that lots of people are dying next episode. :(
I definitely agree with this and am really annoyed. Rabbits, next time just put a warning up saying "SPOILERS FOR EPISODE #[number]" before your spoiler tag instead of telling us "SOMEONE DIES". Thanks.

EDIT: I've edited your post and read a few names despite doing my best to avoid such a thing happening. -_- Yay for being a mod and having to deal with that crap, I guess.

[No.78]

To be honest that spoiler doesn't make me upset, it just makes me want to watch the episode more.

I can't believe AHEM and AHEM are dying. Like, zomg. :(

[Moon Rabbits]

whoops. i didnt consider saying "people are dying" a spoiler because the producers have been openly talking about people dying in the last few episodes for ages now.

this is just like when i got banned from irc for talking about ffxiii :D|DDD

[Loony BoB]

I don't listen to what the producers say about the future of the series as it can involve spoilers. ;) Spoilers = Anything that happens in an episode that hasn't been aired yet in America, basically. It's why I avoid this thread between Tuesday and Friday (when they show Lost here). Although I may download the next episodes since it's getting so close to the end!

[Moon Rabbits]

Oh man oh man oh man. 7 pages of the finale script were leaked. Don't keep reading this (thread subscribers, you!) because I'm about to BLOW YER MINDS (not really, there isn't too much info):




On Desmond: Locke is hunting him down because apparently he needs him to sink the Island. Which makes no sense because he asked Sayid to kill him. Unless that means that Desmond == the Island and killing him == sink.

which means ... the alternate timeline may very well be an epilogue to the series.

On Sawyer: As per the usual he is being a "LONE WOLF GRR." Mentions to Locke at some point that "we're not candidates anymore" which I assume means someone became the New Jacob (Jack)

On Alpert: He wasn't mentioned at all in any of the finale stuff afaik. Probably dead.

On Ben: he is now working with Locke.

On Sayid: He's already dead by this point.

On Kate & Claire: She isn't mentioned at all, in any of the call sheets or anything etc. Neither is Claire. The "final scenes" primarily concern Jack, Ben, and Desmond. I think it is safe to assume that Claire and/or Kate die and/or get off the Island before the finale.

On Jack + final scenes: Has something to do with waterfalls, lots of water. Jack is literally in "Hell" at some point. Like capitalized "H" hell. So like, the real hell. Maybe. Probably.

On characters who will be briefly returning (these are the most minor of all spoilers, so you should read these at least :bigsmile:) : ROSE BERNARD AND VINCENT AW YESAAAAA~ Oh, and Ana Lucia. And Juliet (WHO IS ALSO JACK's BABY MAMA!)

On Hurley: still alive but sort of just there, along for the ride. .

On Sun+Jin: They're already dead by this point :bigsmile:

[McLovin']

The deaths didn't make me cry but I did get a little sadface. Also what happened to Chesty?

It all seemed kinda...stupid that Locke all of a sudden changed his mind about taking the plane. I guess it was to earn their trust but then why would Widmore wire the plane if he wanted to protect them? I don't know, even for my standards this episode was "sloppy" imo.

Next weeks episode is where it's at!

[Psychotic]

"Awww hell." :(

[Moon Rabbits]

sun+jin's death made me baaaaaaaaaaaaaawl even though i knew it was coming.

Spoiler tags, you fool! ~ Mulley

what? oh? ok. i thought it was ok because the episode had aired already.

[Levian]

Gawd, you're a bit of a spoilerwhore aren't you, MRabbits? :p

About the episode that aired last night..

Man, the first thing that entered my mind was "Daaayum, Miriel is gonna be so pissed!" and then followed by "They better not kill off Rose and Bernard in the next episode or she's seriously going to kill the producers" followed by "Ahmagawd they died :("

If this is the last we saw of Sayid then I have to say he's been an overall useless character, besides teaching me how to pronounce The Raft in a weird way

[Psychotic]

I think Miriel is going to be most pissed off by the fact that they spoke in English for the majority of that scene. :p

Also Moon Rabbits there is a spoiler I need to know. Please tell me! Did Lapidus die? I sure hope not. All we saw was him being hit by a door, there was no ~*SAD MUSIC*~ so I still have hope.

[Flying Mullet]

We loved how Jin's accent disappeared towards the end of the sub scenes. xD

[Moon Rabbits]

Gawd, you're a bit of a spoilerwhore aren't you, MRabbits? :p

yes yes i am it is horrible. i also read the last page of books before i get there.




Man, the first thing that entered my mind was "Daaayum, Miriel is gonna be so pissed!" and then followed by "They better not kill off Rose and Bernard in the next episode or she's seriously going to kill the producers" followed by "Ahmagawd they died :("

Rose and Bernard (minor) are in at least one scene of the finale, which neither of them die in. It's pretty tense though, and involves an angry Locke. The script for that part is pretty rad, actually. I love them. Also, everybody's favorite dog will be making an appearance in the finale. :bigsmile:



If this is the last we saw of Sayid then I have to say he's been an overall useless character, besides teaching me how to pronounce The Raft in a weird way

All the characters, in the grand scheme of things, have proven themselves to be useless, except: Locke, Jack, Jacob, MIB, Ben, and Richard. Seriously. Sun and Jin, for instance, add nothing to the story. Neither does Kate. Or Sawyer. Or Juliet. Or Miles. Or Lapidus. Or Hurley. Or Charlotte. Most characters are/were expendable.



I think Miriel is going to be most pissed off by the fact that they spoke in English for the majority of that scene. :p


That pissed me off to no end!




Also Moon Rabbits there is a spoiler I need to know. Please tell me! Did Lapidus die? I sure hope not. All we saw was him being hit by a door, there was no ~*SAD MUSIC*~ so I still have hope.

Dead is dead! About smurfing time, imho~ I hate his character >_ > His death was fitting: quick (like his character arc), silly (like his character), and satisfying (the complete opposite of what Frank's addition to the story was). [/bitch]

[Croyles]

We loved how Jin's accent disappeared towards the end of the sub scenes. xD

I noticed that, it was strange...

[Moon Rabbits]

Here is a 50 second sneak peek of the next episode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHgS8WUxkjE)

Watch it because I would really like to know if I'm the only one who is absolutely 100% convinced that that is Sawyer in that clip.

[LowCaloriePie]

Here is a 50 second sneak peek of the next episode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHgS8WUxkjE)

Watch it because I would really like to know if I'm the only one who is absolutely 100% convinced that that is Sawyer in that clip.

Are you talking about the guy at the end?

[Moon Rabbits]

Here is a 50 second sneak peek of the next episode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHgS8WUxkjE)

Watch it because I would really like to know if I'm the only one who is absolutely 100% convinced that that is Sawyer in that clip.

Are you talking about the guy at the end?

No, not the kids, who are obviously Jacob + MIB, but the hunter guy who stakes the boar.

edit: oh yeah, the guy at the end of the clip.

[Del Murder]

That episode was smurfed up. And racist. I officially hate Lost for that BS.

[Loony BoB]

Just so you guys are aware, you don't need to mark spoilers for anything which has already been aired in the States. Just mark spoilers for anything that hasn't happened yet in a fully aired episode. Now I can't tell which are about the recent episode and which are genuine spoilers. xD

I found that episode to be pretty crap. I mean, c'mon, Jin/Sun have a daughter, why didn't either of them think "Jin, go, live for our daughter!"? Crazy. That would be the first thing I would tell Jin if I were Sun. Oh well, I've seen Jin die before, I suppose it might happen again in the next few episodes. =|

It's great that things are moving quickly now but perhaps they could have managed it better. I dunno.

[Miriel]

I CAN'T EVEN! :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:

Lazy lazy writing. :mad2: Like BoB said, the decision for Jin to stay made absolutely no sense in the real world. Any parent, as much as they love their spouse, would realize the need to be there for their child. But there's only so much time left, and there just isn't enough TIME for the show to deal with Jin's grief. So they did the lazy thing and just killed off the both of them.

smurfing lazy :bou::bou::bou::bou:smurfs.

Sun was the fiercest female character on the show, and even though she was in the sidelines most of the time, Sun still had an amazing journey. She's probably had the most progressive journeys of all the characters. She's come so damn far and what happens? They neglect her and separate her from her husband for 2 seasons and then they kill her!! What the smurf? They killed off the two people who were in the best possible position to have a happy ending and they did it all for shock value. Lazy incompetent writing.

They also ruined Sayid's character and took him out as well.

Watch out Hurley, Rose & Miles, they're coming for you too!

The only possible way this show can get any worse is if they kill Vincent too. Maybe they will, he was attached to Walt & Michael.

Don't even get me started about Jin/Sun about to DIE and talking in English. Pandering to the audience much? Gah!

Kate is like a cockroach. She will never die.

[Loony BoB]

I wonder what will happen with Walt anyway. It seems so odd that he seemed like such an important player in the early part of the show and now he still hasn't shown up for his turn of melodrama. Maybe in the last episode. Who knows.

I agree that they're killing off all the most interesting characters. It's just annoying. But then, with everyone so interested in knowing what will happen, I suppose we were always going to be set up for disappointment in a big way. Too much buildup for a show to be able to fulfill, I think.

EDIT: Of course, the fact that they're all 'alive' in the alternate reality world thing makes me suspect that pretty much every death is just another farcical event that didn't actually happen. The deaths almost mean nothing. Which is kind of annoying. At least we still have Hurley and Desmond...

[Flying Mullet]

Just so you guys are aware, you don't need to mark spoilers for anything which has already been aired in the States. Just mark spoilers for anything that hasn't happened yet in a fully aired episode. Now I can't tell which are about the recent episode and which are genuine spoilers. xD
Sorry, that's my fault. I thought people should wait a week in case other people hadn't had a chance to watch and had it taped or were going to watch it online later. No more spoiler-nazi from me. :p

About the rushed plot at the end. I heard rumors that they wanted to move it into a seventh season and milk it, and I wonder if the writers stretched it out that way on purpose expecting to keep the network hostage and having to bow to their demands. Then, once the network pushed back and said "No", they had to scramble and try to figure out how to tie up loose ends relatively quickly, albeit crapily. (Huh, "crapily" isn't a word. Oh well.)

[Psychotic]

That episode was smurfed up. And racist. I officially hate Lost for that BS.What's so racist about the only Arab on the show becoming a suicide bomber?

...oh.

[Del Murder]

The writers said they killed Sun & Jin to show us that anyone can die. Bull:bou::bou::bou::bou:. Kate can't die. She won't die. Neither will Sawyer or Jack. They aren't willing to kill anyone, just the characters who aren't directly involved in the main storyline anymore. And we've already seen they can kill major characters, Locke for example.

They said they killed Sayid because if he had one last moment of selflessness it would redeem his character for us. Why did they go ruin his character in the first place? What a waste.

And no one even cares about Lapidus? Poor guy.

I also have no doubt that Miles will die, killing off the only remaining Asian character and one of the last remaining minority characters. Hugo and Rose have a chance, but Rose has nothing to do with the story anymore so they might just off her too.

They went straight up Harry Potter on us with Sun & Jin. I didn't think they would. I figured Sun would die and Jin would go take care of the baby, but now it's all pointless and Sun coming back for him meant nothing.

[Loony BoB]

And no one even cares about Lapidus? Poor guy.
To be fair, Lapidus may as well have worn a red shirt in every episode he was in.

[Moon Rabbits]

And no one even cares about Lapidus? Poor guy.
To be fair, Lapidus may as well have worn a red shirt in every episode he was in.

No kidding.

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who got the whole "hey wait racism" vibe from this show the past episode. I mean, Sayid's death? COME ON.

As for Jin leaving for Ji-Yeon. I thought it was fairly believable that he would stay for Sun. I mean, yeah, you have a daughter, but that's the love of yer life pinned to a wall about to drown. Idk, I think I'd stay in the sub w/ Sun tbph.

On the fates of other minority characters (minor spoilers):

Rose - appears in the finale. Doesn't die in the scene that was leaked, and I doubt she will.

Hurley - Afaik he is in the finale, but I do not think he will survive (unconfirmed).

Miles - Haven't heard anything about him appearing in the finale. To be fair, however, I haven't heard anything about Richard or Kate in the finale either. Or claire for that matter.

[Psychotic]

And no one even cares about Lapidus? Poor guy. Do you not read my posts? :colbert:

Also now we're throwing accusations of racism around, I would like to get aboard this bandwagon! All the English characters (Charlie, Naomi, Charlotte) got splurged long ago and I am going to raise my voice in indignant outrage!

[Del Murder]

As for Jin leaving for Ji-Yeon. I thought it was fairly believable that he would stay for Sun. I mean, yeah, you have a daughter, but that's the love of yer life pinned to a wall about to drown. Idk, I think I'd stay in the sub w/ Sun tbph.

You're not a parent. If you ever become one one day, you'll see it differently.

When it became obvious that he wouldn't be able to free her, he should have left. There's no reason to sacrifice yourself needlessly like that.

[Moon Rabbits]

As for Jin leaving for Ji-Yeon. I thought it was fairly believable that he would stay for Sun. I mean, yeah, you have a daughter, but that's the love of yer life pinned to a wall about to drown. Idk, I think I'd stay in the sub w/ Sun tbph.

You're not a parent. If you ever become one one day, you'll see it differently.


Yeah, I realized after I posted that my opinion on the matter is pretty skewed by the fact that I also detest children > _>

[Flying Mullet]

You're not a parent.
Is there something you and Miriel need to tell us?

[Loony BoB]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who got the whole "hey wait racism" vibe from this show the past episode. I mean, Sayid's death? COME ON.
I actually didn't think of it as racist until you guys said something, to be honest. :p

As for Jin leaving for Ji-Yeon. I thought it was fairly believable that he would stay for Sun. I mean, yeah, you have a daughter, but that's the love of yer life pinned to a wall about to drown. Idk, I think I'd stay in the sub w/ Sun tbph.
To be fair, Jin probably knew that he was boned if he tried to escape anyway. He'd not have made it up there without oxygen.

[Flying Mullet]

Well Jack didn't even use his, so Jin could have taken it.

[Psychotic]

Jack used it on the unconscious Sawyer.

[Flying Mullet]

Well they didn't show it. Pics or it didn't happen! :colbert:

[LunarWeaver]

I also assumed Jin would have drowned anyway, though that's guessing.

He had a moment of humanity over rationality. If he were rationally thinking, he definitely would have left and handled the guilt for the benefit of his daughter. I am a sucker for tragic endings, honestly. Sayid and Sun were my two favorite characters. It's so cruel to put Jin and Sun through all that and have it go the way it did. I can't help but love the depression. Mmm. I didn't think of it as racism until brought to my attention. I guess I'm either ignorant or blind to such things. I'd prefer to be either. I live a happier life being a dumbass.

Can Giacchino not compose some more music for this show? He rehashed "Life and Death" again. Sun and Jin deserved their own little theme after all this time.

[McLovin']

Jin staying with Sun is realistic...he has never met his daughter and has been apart from the women he loves more than anything for so long. As Kyle said he had a moment of "humanity over rationality."

I think they were speaking English because when they switched to Korean at the very end it made a bigger impact.

And according to the latest podcast Frank isn't dead. I don't think that is a gigantic spoiler :p

[Moon Rabbits]

Well, in the podcast they didn't say Frank isn't dead, they said "you didn't see him die." Afaik, anyway - I don't listen to the podcasts, I read summaries of them. So, I dunno.

I'll be a little peeved if they bring him back randomly. I'm so sick of him - what. a. useless. character.

[Psychotic]

Frank has the best lines in the whole show. Nothing will ever beat "...we're not going to Guam, are we?" and "Weirdest damn funeral I've ever been to" :colbert:

[Loony BoB]

I wouldn't say he was a crap character or anything and I wouldn't mind if he lived (in all honesty, it would be really nice if they didn't kill off every character who wasn't considered major...).

[Miriel]

Even if you try and make the argument that Jin hadn't met his daughter and therefore, he couldn't bring himself to leave Sun, it makes zero and I mean ZERO sense that Sun wouldn't have demanded he leave for their daughter's sake.

No Mother who has any sense of responsibility toward their child would disregard their child like that. She didn't even mention her daughter! wtf??

I'll say it again, the only reason that it either had to be all or nothing in the case of Jin & Sun is that there isn't enough time left to toss in a storyline about Jin or Sun losing one another again. How the smurf could they even begin to try and wrap that up? Either they both lived to have happy endings, or they both had to die.

And I loved Lapidus. I think he became a solid and well liked character that integrated into the group while being introduced late into the show. Most of the other characters who were introduced later on never really fit in and eventually died one after the other. I really thought he would make it to the end, and I enjoyed the slight protectiveness he had over Sun. The only "outsider" left is Miles, and I think he's a goner. :(

[Slothy]

Even if you try and make the argument that Jin hadn't met his daughter and therefore, he couldn't bring himself to leave Sun, it makes zero and I mean ZERO sense that Sun wouldn't have demanded he leave for their daughter's sake.

No Mother who has any sense of responsibility toward their child would disregard their child like that. She didn't even mention her daughter! wtf??

I'll say it again, the only reason that it either had to be all or nothing in the case of Jin & Sun is that there isn't enough time left to toss in a storyline about Jin or Sun losing one another again. How the smurf could they even begin to try and wrap that up? Either they both lived to have happy endings, or they both had to die.

This pretty much. Literally everything I would have said about it. Sun not telling Jin to save himself for their daughter was utter crap. I could see Jin being more concerned about Sun, and perhaps even forgetting that he had a daughter while caught up in trying to save Sun, but her not even saying a word about it was utterly stupid writing.

[*ETERNAL FANTASY*]

C'mon guys lets not hate on Sun and Jin...though i do agree with the humanity over rationality point of view...its easy to say what choices we would make if we were safe in our homes...who knows what our thinking would be like if we were put in a life or death situation...

Either way...im still pretty pissed they couldnt give atlease one happy ending to someone!!!

[Moon Rabbits]

Oh, Frank isn't dead and will be seen on-island again, apparently.

[Flying Mullet]

Good.

[Psychotic]

This is the best.

[McLovin']

Some conflicting stuff going on...An interview with the guy who plays Frank says that he IS dead and then Jorge Garcia confirmed on his blog that Frank is dead. :( RIP

[Miriel]

C'mon guys lets not hate on Sun and Jin...though i do agree with the humanity over rationality point of view...its easy to say what choices we would make if we were safe in our homes...who knows what our thinking would be like if we were put in a life or death situation...

Either way...im still pretty pissed they couldnt give atlease one happy ending to someone!!!

No one is hating on Jin & Sun. We're hating on the writers.

[Moon Rabbits]

really liked that episode.

"adam and eve" didn't prove they had everything planned from the beginning at all, though.

[McLovin']

The stones; however, do imply they had an idea.

And what the fuck happened at the end geez.

[Del Murder]

Worst episode ever. Are 12 year olds writing this show now? Oh hey magic light makes you a smoke person har har yuk yuk.

[Miriel]

That was the worst episode of Lost ever. I would rather have seen 10 Kate episodes than whatever this crap was.

Once we got to the magical light tunnel, we looked at each other and asked, "are we watching Lost or Legend of the Seeker?" It was so ridiculous and campy. None of it felt real, like it was some weird SNL skit or something.

And boy, were they dropping anvils like crazy. Man in Black baby goes in the DARK blanket! Jacob goes in the light blanket! Look, it's Adam & Eve! See, SEE! It all makes sense, look at how successfully we're tying it all together!

Good god. It was a mess. A complete bull:bou::bou::bou::bou: mess.

I hate how they took the two guys who were supposed to have the answers and made them into whiny, confused boys with mommy issues. Those two guys started off mysterious and all knowing, and now this late in the game it's revealed that they don't know wtf they're doing and their actions have stemmed from either wanting to obey their crazy ass mother or disobey the crazy ass mother. The hell?


really liked that episode.

"adam and eve" didn't prove they had everything planned from the beginning at all, though.
Does anyone at this point really believe that they had any of this planned? No one can be that gullible. And I can't recall it myself, but other people are saying that Jack said in the episode with Adam & Eve that the bodies looked to have been there for 40-50 years. So there's another writing fail for you.

RIP Lost. I loved you once. :(

[Slothy]

Those two guys started off mysterious and all knowing, and now this late in the game it's revealed that they don't know wtf they're doing and their actions have stemmed from either wanting to obey their crazy ass mother or disobey the crazy ass mother. The hell?

Well, that doesn't prove that Jacob and Smokie don't know what's going on, it just shows they didn't know what was going on then. But I hated that episode, because it explained nothing while pretending it explained a lot of things. Ok, so we know how they got to the island and we know why Smokie wants to kill Jacob (or at least have a good idea). But as for why they can't kill each other, all we get is an "I made it so you can't," and as for why Smokie is now Smoke we get a magical light did it. Now just because Locke saw that light in season 1 does not excuse it. We got no answers wrapped up in the trappings of actual answers. I feel like I'm watching the TV equivalent of FFXIII here because I'm not only being treated like an idiot but they're actively trying to pull the wool over my eyes so I don't notice.



Does anyone at this point really believe that they had any of this planned? No one can be that gullible. And I can't recall it myself, but other people are saying that Jack said in the episode with Adam & Eve that the bodies looked to have been there for 40-50 years. So there's another writing fail for you.

RIP Lost. I loved you once. :(

They never had anything planned, and at this point I'm quite convinced that they've only kept going with new reveals and mysteries because the reveals of a lot of the older mysteries weren't nearly as interesting as the mysteries themselves (such as when they revealed who the others were, or who the Dharma initiative were). Really, we shouldn't be surprised that they're not living up to expectations when they do reveal things since so few have really lived up to expectations in the past.

So now we have a whole two episodes left. I have no idea how they're going to wrap it up even marginally adequately now. My bet is it's all going to feel rushed, not explain nearly enough, and probably leave us all disappointed.

[Moon Rabbits]

I don't know, I like the vague reveals better than if they were to sit down and be all "okay this is specifically what this means and etc." but maybe that is because I gave up a long time ago on the show actually knowing what it was doing.

edit: oh and the whole "MIB and Jacob are just whiny kids with mommy issues" you had to see that coming from a mile away. EVERYONE on this show was a whiny kid with parent issues.

edit edit:
Cast
Naveen Andrews as Sayid
Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert
Emilie de Ravin as Claire
Michael Emerson as Ben
Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus
Matthew Fox as Jack
Jorge Garcia as Hurley
Josh Holloway as Sawyer
Daniel Dae Kim as Jin
Yunjin Kim as Sun
Ken Leung as Miles
Evangeline Lilly as Kate
Terry O’Quinn as Locke
Zuleikha Robinson as Ilana

Guest Cast
Michelle Rodriguez as Ana Lucia
Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau
Alan Dale as Charles Widmore
Tania Raymonde as Alex
Mark Pellegrino as Jacob
Dylan Minnette as David
Sheila Kelley as Zoe
Kenton Duty as teenage boy
Wendy Pearson as Nurse Kondracki
Ashlee Kyker as student
Ernesto Lopez as LAPD cop

< cast list for next week. oooooooooh yes.

edit edit edit: On Frank Lapidus (again) he's dead.

ANOTHER EDIT: On Sun and Jin and why Sun didn't mention Ji Yeon (not even really a spoiler but I'm going to mark it anyway): In last week's episode, why didn't Sun tell Jin to leave her so he could raise their daughter?
Lindelof: That's a great question. And our only answer for it is that Sun only had about 30 seconds to process the fact that she was going to die. Sun and Jin never had a relationship together with that daughter. Sun had a relationship with her, but Jin did not — she was just a picture on a phone to him. In that moment, she did not tell Jin to leave her side. Partially, in that moment, maybe there was a part of her that wanted him to stay with her. Who knows? We're not really willing to say why characters don't say certain things in certain moments. All we can say is: She did not say that. We did not want that scene to be about their daughter, we wanted it to be about them reuniting.

[Slothy]

I don't know, I like the vague reveals better than if they were to sit down and be all "okay this is specifically what this means and etc." but maybe that is because I gave up a long time ago on the show actually knowing what it was doing.

I think there's a big difference between vague reveals and explaining away things by saying that Jacobs mom did it. We really learned absolutely nothing about why Jacob is protecting the island, why it needs protecting, and how he has the powers he does and knows the things he does. All we got was a yellow light under the island without even a vague explanation of what it was. It's obviously what's responsible for the weird :bou::bou::bou::bou: on that island, but other than that, not a thing. We better at least get some mention of what it is before the end because it's apparently what everything is about in the end.

[Del Murder]

I'm sure the yellow light will play a central role in the finale. I agree that we didn't really learn anything important in this episode.

*reads cast list spoiler* Oooh, some interesting returners next week.

[Psychotic]

Yeah that last episode was pretty :| for me too. All it did was answer questions with more smurfing questions! Ok, great, now we know who Jacob and Smokey are, but who the smurf is the "mother" woman?! God damnit Lost. :(

[McLovin']

I think the "super message" is what is going to be the biggest reveal of them all and everything else (jacob, mib, the mother etc) was just devices used to tell it but they simply can't reveal it just yet. It's probably what JJ Abrams had in mind in the first place and then the writers created the story of the island (and added more as the show progressed) to go around that first thought that they had.

Let it play it self out in the grand scheme of things instead of isolating it. people are way too spastic about last nights episode. Chill out and just finish out the show...and then complain :p

And if you want some good food for thought then think about this: Was Fake Mother the Smoke Monster?

[Matthew]

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[Moon Rabbits]

And if you want some good food for thought then think about this: Was Fake Mother the Smoke Monster?

Nooooo, I'm under the impression that MIB is the first smoke monster. The crazy mother was all "don't ever hurt eachother" and they wound up beating the shiat out of eachother and what not. I sort of understood the smoke monster to be "the light" being unleashed by jacobxmib succumbing to violence and "ungodly" emotions and etc.

[LunarWeaver]

I was watching this on Hulu and became so tired I had to stop and take a nap. What a boring episode that did nothing but frustrate me.

[Moon Rabbits]

am i the only one that enjoyed it.

[Loony BoB]

And if you want some good food for thought then think about this: Was Fake Mother the Smoke Monster?

Nooooo, I'm under the impression that MIB is the first smoke monster. The crazy mother was all "don't ever hurt eachother" and they wound up beating the shiat out of eachother and what not. I sort of understood the smoke monster to be "the light" being unleashed by jacobxmib succumbing to violence and "ungodly" emotions and etc.
I think she said more "You can't hurt each other" and later on MIB mentions that they "can't hurt each other" (or something to that effect) because their mother "set it up that way" (or something to that effect).

As for the light being criticised - what did you expect? People don't turn into smoke monsters for scientific reasons. Everything about this entire series is based on paranormal/magic crap. Just because it doesn't have Gandalf doesn't make most of the stuff any less magic. Time travel because a guy moves a wheel? Magic. Teleportation? Magic. Dead people talking to the living? Magic. Seriously, the light shouldn't have been that big a disappointment if you've been watching this far into the series. It's the norm. I get the feeling that some people posting in this thread are wanting Lost to make sense, and this is something it is never going to do. Lost, for me, is about the stories, not the answers. I loved this episode in that regard because it told a story, and it was interesting for me as a stand-alone episode. If we get answers, great, but I'm not expecting good ones, and I'm certainly not expecting them to be realistic. The smoke monster existing at all is unrealistic in itself, and that was there since day one.

As for the episode, what I noted the most regarding "revelations" is just how the two seperated, the fact that they are brothers, how they got to the island, the reason that MIB wants to leave the island, the way they interacted and how they got to the point they are at now, and possibly most important of the lot, the fact that Jacob sent MIB into the light himself immediately after being told to protect that light by his mother. So for me, I think this tells a lot about how Jacob feels responsible for the island and also potentially feels responsible for his brother being what he is.

[Miriel]

As for the light being criticised - what did you expect? People don't turn into smoke monsters for scientific reasons. Everything about this entire series is based on paranormal/magic crap. Just because it doesn't have Gandalf doesn't make most of the stuff any less magic. Time travel because a guy moves a wheel? Magic. Teleportation? Magic. Dead people talking to the living? Magic. Seriously, the light shouldn't have been that big a disappointment if you've been watching this far into the series. It's the norm. I get the feeling that some people posting in this thread are wanting Lost to make sense, and this is something it is never going to do. Lost, for me, is about the stories, not the answers. I loved this episode in that regard because it told a story, and it was interesting for me as a stand-alone episode. If we get answers, great, but I'm not expecting good ones, and I'm certainly not expecting them to be realistic. The smoke monster existing at all is unrealistic in itself, and that was there since day one.


That is such a cop out. No, you can't simply MAGIC away everything and expect people to be ok with that. The first few seasons were absolutely not about magic. They were about mysterious and supernatural things, sometimes, but the show was very much rooted in reality. Our reality. Everything that is happening on the island is supposed to be happening in our world. This world. The one where the red sox won the World Series.

It's not like a show such as Legend of the Seeker which is full of magic but that stuff is happening on a completely different world/reality.

And yes, the show got crazier and crazier as time went on, but even time travel could have a scientific explanation. It's a little bit of a stretch. But at least they threw in a physicist so that there would at least be a semblance of realism to that storyline.

For a long time, people assumed that the smoke monster was some sort of mechanical mechanism, due in part by the sound effects and also cause Rousseau once said that the smoke monster was the Island's security system. Ben was also able to "summon" the smoke monster at one point. One of the most prevailing theories was that the smoke monster consisted of nanobots. Science fiction? Definitely, but is it something audiences could believe? Sure.

From Damon Lindelof: "Ohh, nanobots. I don't know how many times you can go on record and say that the Smoke Monster is NOT made up of nanobots before you stop getting asked that question".

The smoke monster kept evolving and evolving until it got to the point where it turned out to be MIB. Ook, that really doesn't make sense. But hey, let's go with it, maybe there's some sort of explanation that makes sense?

But the explanation is basically, dude floats down tunnel of golden light, turns into smoke monster.

So initially we have a creature people believe may be mechanical, or nanobots, or somehow connected with the magnetic forces of the island. What we're eventually served up: magical golden tunnel light.

Just cause the past few seasons have turned the show bat:bou::bou::bou::bou: crazy doesn't mean you can point at the lamest "explanation" so far and be like, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, WE STOPPED MAKING SENSE A LONG TIME AGO!

The show, the network, the writers and the creators all claimed to have answers. It's not like this show ever went around claiming that we'd never find out anything and to please lower our expectations. They hyped up these reveals and these answers for years. They pre-determined the year to end the show (sometime most shows never do!) because they claimed that they wanted to finally give the fans some answers and give Lost a proper ending. None of that is happening. So yeah, people are gonna be pissed.

[Slothy]

And just to add to what Miriel said, I have no problem with supernatural or paranormal explanations at this point. In fact, I honestly expect them. But we're not getting that much. This is pretty much what we got last episode as far as answers:

"Why can't Jacob and MIB kill each other? How did Jacob become the protector of the island and become capable of things like making someone immortal?" Because Mom made it that way.

"Why is the island so important and why is Jacob trying to protect it?" Because of a yellow light under it. "Well what's the yellow light?" We'll get to that if you're lucky, but probably in the last five minutes of the finale so you have no idea why protecting the island is important until the very end.

This isn't even a bad explanation because it explains nothing. The fact that their was someone protecting the island before Jacob was kind of a given since he assembled candidates to replace him. It doesn't even hint at answers to any of those questions. I could even accept an out there supernatural explanation; hell, I read comic books so my tolerance for out there explanations is pretty high so long as it's plausible and fits the universe that's been created. But that was like answering those questions with "because." That doesn't fly, and this late in the game there's no reason to still be holding back the way they are. And I think that's what's bothering me the most. We were promised answers and two episodes from the finale they're still playing coy and leaving almost everything for the end.

I will say that the only redeeming quality of that episode was seeing the relationship develop between Jacob and MIB originally. But given the potential for an episode like that to answer major questions, the fact that it didn't really overshadows the good parts for me.

[Loony BoB]

Wasn't the smoke monster in the first season? That's not reality at all. Weren't dead people walking around the island? Again, not reality. I'm not saying magic is seriously the answer to everything and that it's a fair copout, I'm just saying that you can't expect a scientifically factual explanation for something that to begin with is completely fictional in every way.

I guess maybe you guys were looking for sensible reasons to begin with (eg. nanobots or whatever) but for me it was all one big fictional story with unrealistic things from day one. I never looked at it as a reasonable, level-headed show that would provide in great detail an explanation that is, at least in theory, almost passable as science fiction or something, something that could someday become reality.

As soon as dead people started walking around, as soon as there was a smoke monster, as soon as there were temples, as soon as there was time travel, I never expected any kind of decent explanation because, for me, these things can't be explained in a realistic way at all.

EDIT: But for what it's worth, I think the light is actually more than just "omg light". Much like what Jacob drank (the stuff his Mum gave him) is actually more than just "omg drink". Maybe it's where Lucifer himself is kept for all we know. Could be all sorts of things.

[Psychotic]

The difference is that a smoke monster and dead people are awesome. A light is stupid and boring. Make it eat Kate or any of the remaining non-white characters or something.

[Moon Rabbits]

Ok, BoB is looking at the show like I am at this point.



EDIT: But for what it's worth, I think the light is actually more than just "omg light". Much like what Jacob drank (the stuff his Mum gave him) is actually more than just "omg drink". Maybe it's where Lucifer himself is kept for all we know. Could be all sorts of things.

This is what was important about the episode, I think. The show has always been "WAH WAH FAITH LEAP OF FAITH QUESTION NOTHING ITS ALL FAITH" and I think the previous episode did a pretty good job with that. Why are Jacob and MIB supposed to protect the light? Because they were told to. Why can't they hurt each other? Because they were told not to. Why should they stay away from humans? Because they were told not to. Why doesn't anything exist across the sea? Because momma said so Etc. Hmmmmmmmm, momma sounds a lot like YAHWEH.

Again, I'm totally with BoB on this one. I don't know how anyone was expecting an answer other than magic golden holy light heaven/hell is the secret of the Island. I mean, c'mon, they've been building this up for AGES. It was bound to be cheesy! How can a show in which the producers have REPEATEDLY said "the main theme is love, it's all about love, love will save the day, love love love" not wind up being cheesy? You were expecting proper explanations for ghosts? Mysterious birds that materialize out of thin air and shout "Hurley"? A giant monster made of black smoke? Disembodied whispers? A magic spring that can cure people? Immortal beings?

Naw man. This show has been about "science v. faith" since waaaaaay back in season 2 (man of science man of faith, non?). I just don't get what other explanation one was hoping for. The whole "faith" thing was especially drilled back into our heads this season ("Jack, give this poison to Sayid because I said it's a good idea and I'm a wise samurai guy", "Ricardos, kill Jacob because I said so and I can bring your wife back" - "Yo wait, I'm actually God and MIB is Satan, listen to me and I can make you live forever", the whole Flocke recruiting people based on faith and trust, etc. etc.) Or when they got off the Island and Jack was all "OH WAIT LOCKE WAS RIGHT I NEEDED FAITH LETS GO BACK", or when they got back and Jack was all "YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN ME THE BOMB IS A GOOD IDEA", etc.

I'm not saying any of this is profound life changing :bou::bou::bou::bou:, but I think the writer's at least had some idea where they wanted to go with this show, and I'm enjoying it. I'm especially enjoying the pure cheese of it all. And like BoB (and the producers repeatedly) have said: don't expect answers, it is about the characters. They never promised anything!

As for the magic light hole and everything, in the finale (minor spoiler?) Jack goes inside it and it is referred to as Hell, capital H, in the script. And, in the preview for next weeks episode, Hurley is having a convo with dead-Jacob-child-version, so I don't think that the "rules" and what not have been wrapped up completely. Perhaps Across the Sea was exposition for real answers this week? (I doubt it, but hey, Jacob is on about the ashes, so hopefully those will get explained at least).

Conclusions: Titus Welliver and Mark Pellegrino are both hot but not as hot as Matthew Fox the end. (i think that i am probably only watching this show anymore because everyone is so attractive on it)

[Del Murder]

Even if you think Lost is about 'the stories' and not the mystery, this wasn't even a good story. In fact, it was the only episode to not have a single character from the original cast. As soon as the tunnel of light made an appearance I knew exactly how Smokey was going to be created. It was terrible storytelling and something a 12 year old trying to copy Rowling and Tolkien would write. If you thought that was a good story then you should go read some Dan Brown novels. They'll entertain you for days.

There is a way to use supernatural stuff without making it over the top and utterly cheesy. Lost has been more of the cheese as of late but in this episode they shot straight for the moon without looking back.

[Slothy]

Even if you think Lost is about 'the stories' and not the mystery, this wasn't even a good story. In fact, it was the only episode to not have a single character from the original cast. As soon as the tunnel of light made an appearance I knew exactly how Smokey was going to be created. It was terrible storytelling and something a 12 year old trying to copy Rowling and Tolkien would write. If you thought that was a good story then you should go read some Dan Brown novels. They'll entertain you for days.

There is a way to use supernatural stuff without making it over the top and utterly cheesy. Lost has been more of the cheese as of late but in this episode they shot straight for the moon without looking back.

Agreed. Though if there's anyone out there that thinks a big part of Lost hasn't been the mysteries then I have to wonder if they were paying attention all of these years.

And I'm not going to say I expect answers to everything. Some things are better left to the viewers imagination, but if the best that they can come up with for why protecting that light and the island is important is because Jacob's Mom said so, take it on faith then the producers and writers are dicks and don't care about their audience, regardless of faith being a central theme to the show and a lot of the characters.

Seriously, either we get answers to some of that stuff or Lost this will likely be one of the worst endings for any TV show I've ever seen.

[Loony BoB]

Even if you think Lost is about 'the stories' and not the mystery, this wasn't even a good story.
I thought it was good because it didn't revolve around the lead characters. It instead told the story of what happened when Jacob and MIB arrived at the island and how they became what they are. I felt this is something that we needed to be told, that it was something I was very interested in. Just because there was a light involved doesn't make it any worse than it being, say, a sword of destiny or a giant magnetic force. I mean, really, now. Tolkien? You guys thought you were reading Tolkien style stuff in season one? It's been (as you refer to, not that I recognise the name) "Dan Brown" since the day they arrived and heard dramatic dinosaur-like sounds coming from the forest. Lost was never anything more than another Hollywood ride, and I for one have enjoyed it because my standards were never high for it. But I have enjoyed the little stories. Far more than the big story, probably...

Basically, I enjoy it in the same way I enjoyed Iron Man and I enjoyed Stargate SG-1 and I enjoyed the original Matrix movie. You can try to work some deep storyline into it all you like, but in all reality it's just another money-making TV series that doesn't rely on good writing and never did. What it relied on was mystery. The problem with mystery is, after a few seasons, you have to come up with answers and the problem with coming up with answers is that they never satisfy the massive buildup.

EDIT: Wait, why is everyone saying that protecting the light is only important because Jacob's Mum said so? I thought it was important because, you know, by not doing it he unleashed a mass murdering unstoppable black smoke thing that has no problem killing, well, pretty much anyone at all. I would imagine that would be a good reason to protect something. Okay, she didn't explain that, but I'm pretty sure that Jacob figured it out once he, you know, found his brother turning into smoke and killing people.

[Del Murder]

You just don't get it, BoB. You have no idea what the American People want.

It's ok though. Let's finish this ride together. And then never speak of it again.

[Loony BoB]

You have no idea what the New Zealand people want.

:shifty:

EDIT: For what it's worth, I just think that it would be impossible to write a good story with solid answers for the entirity of Lost without having at least one more season, if not two. I think it was originally scripted for seven seasons but they shortened it to six as ratings dwindled, so that might explain a bit of the "rush jobs".

[Miriel]

I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying about reality. I'm not saying that all the elements of Lost have to actually exist in our world. But can it possibly exist? Can you suspend your disbelief to the point where you can accept it as part of the universe in which the show exists and does it make sense within the show itself?

IE: Legend of the Seeker can't suddenly introduce cell phones and computers. Because it wouldn't make sense within the confines of the show. Buffy the Vampire Slayer established the existence of supernatural creatures, vampires, witches, etc, from the beginning. But can they suddenly introduce talking animals without people being all "Wtf?"

Iron Man is a great example of combining fictional elements to our reality and making it work. The original Matrix is another good example. The first few seasons of Stargate SG-1 as well.

Obviously a man flying around in a suit of armor isn't something that ACTUALLY exists in our world. Duh. That's not what I'm saying. But can it? Yes. Is it believable? Yes. Do the modern contemporary elements of the films (the audi sportscars, the burger kings, the military elements, etc) mesh well with the science fiction elements of the Iron Man suit? Yes it does. If the next Iron Man film threw in vampires, would it work? NO!

The Matrix was all sorts of mind-trippy from the start, but at least within the confines of the film, it made sense. Matrix 2 & 3 did NOT make sense.

A ancient intergalactic transportation system doesn't exist in our reality (or does it?) but the show made it seem realistic enough. They based the operations out of Cheyenne Mountain, an actual Air Force military base. They had an archeologist and an scientist on board. And MacGyver. The show made it clear from the beginning. Aliens exist. So all the crazy stuff that happens within the show regarding Aliens made sense. But then they started messing with higher planes of existence and people dying and coming back to life and being reincarnated and all sorts of mumbo jumbo. And the show started sucking ass.

Lost from the first few seasons is SO different from what it is now. The whole tone of the show has changed. Yes, there were dead people from the start. But where they hallucinations? Was the island purgatory? Some sort of scientific testing ground? People were willing to believe in a supernatural explanation. But not vague magical ones.

[LunarWeaver]

I read this article about Lost in Entertainment Weekly where they talked about science vs. faith and how Jack ultimately went the "spiritual" route. That was repeated as their answer and theme now. Spirituality, for the win, blah.

I see this as more-or-less the age old cop out concept of "God did it." I know that's not exactly what they're saying, but it's where I feel we are nonetheless. Now they can do whatever they want, whereas before they at least created the illusion of rules (to me). That's what's bothering me, not the supernatural elements.

[Del Murder]

If the next Iron Man film threw in vampires, would it work? NO!
A Blade/Iron Man crossover would be pretty awesome though. :p

[Croyles]

I really didnt like that episode, but mainly because most of the acting was quite awful, the music was very different and not very good and the script dialogue was weird.

As for the explanations, never expected ANYTHING realistic at all, or even 'it-may-be-possible' sci-fi. I just hope theres more to it than what we were shown in this episode, which I am kind of doubting at this point (only 2 eps left!).

It was always going to get kind of gooey at the end, seeing as how Lost is best at the mysteries, whereas the explanations can just feel out of place.

I'll probably still enjoy it however, i'm not gonna lose any sleep over it...

[Loony BoB]

first parts about other series etc
I do get your point regarding all of that, and pretty much agree with it all.

Lost from the first few seasons is SO different from what it is now. The whole tone of the show has changed. Yes, there were dead people from the start. But where they hallucinations?
This is where I disagree, though. I think if they were hallucinations then that would have been a copout for me. I prefer the insane stuff because for me, that's what Lost is all about.

Was the island purgatory? Some sort of scientific testing ground? People were willing to believe in a supernatural explanation. But not vague magical ones.
I think if you can wonder if the island is Purgatory or the Garden of Eden or anything vaguely biblical then the light should not come across as a vague magical explanation. Light is a rather important part of biblical stories, and it should be noted that Lucifer means something like Bearer of Light, and if MIB's name is Lucifer that would make even more sense if he "took the light" (which it seems he did, given his adopted mother went on about not letting anyone "take the light" or something). So for me, it's not that insane. I've also considered the possibility of it being the Garden of Eden in the past, and if you look at the story of Adam and Eve then you end up with them eating an apple because a snake told them to.

For me, I like the idea of supernatural explanations and of miracles being experienced on the island. I like that sometimes it's just the island, not the science, that explains things. Rose, for example, cured of her illness. Rose and Bernard 'knowing' where each other are, somehow. People coming back to life, surviving things that should in no way be survivable - all of these are miracles, things which will never have any kind of rational explanation. With this in mind, for me Lost is about people from our world (where miracles/supernatural explanations are dismissed) being taken to a world where miracles and the supernatural are the norm. So with that in mind, a cave with a light isn't a copout, it's just the norm. The early series probably allowed for more scepticism to any supernatural or miracle explanations because they wanted to keep the audience guessing, but pretty much everything from day one shows, in retrospect, that nothing would ever have been explained by science. It's not a change of tact in the storyline, it's just that some people are possibly disappointed at just how much it had nothing to do with science.

I guess there's actually a little similarity in factions of viewers and factions of characters... The Dharma Initiative are possibly the people who are "people of science" much like those who have been disappointed in Lost as a TV series - they are the ones who were 'removed', the ones who did not want miracles but instead wanted to investigate in a scientific way. Then you have the Others - the people of faith - like myself, who always viewed the island as something more powerful than science could ever explain.

Of course, there are still two episodes (I count 17/18 as a single episode) to go, so who knows how things will turn out. Probably disappointing, but I can't remember the last time I wasn't disappointed when a TV series I loved and followed ended.

[Miriel]

But you just illustrated part of the problem. You can't take a show that focused so heavily on the Sci-Fi aspects and then switch completely over to the other side of magic oh la la, and then blame that kind of disjointed storytelling as appealing to as wide an audience as possible. It would be one thing if the writers had skillfully weaved those two elements together, but they haven't. Think about the time travel storyline and think about the episodes from this past season. It's like they're practically from two different shows.

The root of the problem is that the purpose of the show seemed to change every season. It's like someone kept moving the goal posts randomly and arbitrarily. That's the root of the problem. The reason why storylines were dropped and forgotten, why the tone of the show kept jumping around, why answers were never given to the mysteries. But the problem is made worse simply by bad writing. You can get away with a lot of stuff, as long as you make it interesting. I agree with someone who posted up thread about Lost being great with cliffhangers and mysteries but awful about resolving things or answering questions. It's like they can't tie things together if their life depended on it. The Adam & Eve thing is a great example. Because Jack explicitly said that the bodies looked to have been there for 40-50 years. And now the writers have decided to hastily wrap up that little mystery by claiming it's Crazy Mother & MIB, both of whom died like 2000 years ago. Bad bad writing.

You like the supernatural explanations? WHAT supernatural explanations? A cave of light isn't an explanation! The reason why MIB & Jacob can't kill each other being because their mother made it that way. That's not an explanation. That's just bad writing!

Miracles have to have some sort of root. They can't simply just be random unexplained things. For a lot of people, it's divine intervention. That's how it happened on Battlestar Galactica. But it has to be rooted in something. We haven't found out exactly what the island is yet, but it has to be something that explains how those "miracles" might have been possible. God, angels, aliens, crazy alternate reality where normal rules don't apply, it has to be something. But all those things would result in people being pissed cause deux ex machinas are still considered bad writing.

My absolute favorite thing about Lost were the character interactions. Talk about tone changes, in the beginning it had less to do with god or science, and more to do with just the characters in an extraordinary situation. Those first few seasons when the flashbacks slowly revealed how everyone was connected, their back stories, how they interacted on the island to survive, set up camp, find water, etc. That stuff was brilliant. Remember the fight between Michael & Jin over the watch? The fight itself was awesome, but I also loved how they brought to the foreground those racial tensions. Really great stuff. Great writing. And now they've killed most of the characters or completely ruined the characters (a la Sayid). Pfft.

[Levian]

Wasn't the smoke monster in the first season? That's not reality at all. Weren't dead people walking around the island? Again, not reality. I'm not saying magic is seriously the answer to everything and that it's a fair copout, I'm just saying that you can't expect a scientifically factual explanation for something that to begin with is completely fictional in every way.


The smoke monster didn't appear visually until the very final episode of Season 1, before that it was just loud noises and trees falling, it could've been anything. Seeing dead people can in a stretch be explained as post traumatic stress, it's been done before at least. Season 1 was all about revealing backstories, getting to know the people, surviving on the island and exploring. The realistic to supernatural ratio must've been at least somewhere around 90% to 10% with realistic being the majority. Of course I hoped for a realistic ending! The writers even assured us there would be one.

Many shows and films pretend to have various supernatural themes to cover up the mystery until the end, like Hide & Seek with Robert De Niro. During the whole season 1, I figured the little supernatural stuff that happened were red herrings. I suppose I lost hope there'd be a realistic ending when the supernatural stuff escalated in Season 2.

I, however, agree that anyone who still hopes for a realistic ending is being silly. :p That ship has sailed.

[Loony BoB]

But you just illustrated part of the problem. You can't take a show that focused so heavily on the Sci-Fi aspects and then switch completely over to the other side of magic oh la la, and then blame that kind of disjointed storytelling as appealing to as wide an audience as possible. It would be one thing if the writers had skillfully weaved those two elements together, but they haven't. Think about the time travel storyline and think about the episodes from this past season. It's like they're practically from two different shows.
I'll agree on this much - they do seem like two completely different shows. But then, I hate time travel. I really do. Whenever a show tries to do it in any kind of realistic way I feel that they ruin everything. I mean, I gave Lost credit for dealing with it better than Heroes but I still think it was a mistake. I just think that the only way to deal with time travel in a TV series is to do it extremely tongue-in-cheek, a la Doctor Who and Back to the Future. You just can't treat this kind of thing seriously.

I don't really feel there were heavy sci-fi aspects, and if there were, I think that's predominantly due to either a) time travel omg or b) the Dharma Initiative trying to make sense out of the supernatural/miraculous things when really, science simply doesn't explain such things.


I agree with someone who posted up thread about Lost being great with cliffhangers and mysteries but awful about resolving things or answering questions.
That may have been me. xD Yes, it's totally true. They suck at it. But all shows suck at it. Any show that relies on mystery generally comes up with disappointment. It's like the ending of a lot of Final Fantasy games - all the excitement you build up generally means the ending just doesn't meet your built up hype.

It's like they can't tie things together if their life depended on it. The Adam & Eve thing is a great example. Because Jack explicitly said that the bodies looked to have been there for 40-50 years. And now the writers have decided to hastily wrap up that little mystery by claiming it's Crazy Mother & MIB, both of whom died like 2000 years ago. Bad bad writing.
To be fair, that much could possibly be explained by various things, such as people not dying "quickly" on the island, the people being special (I mean, what the hell would MIB's skeleton be doing there? Did he actually die?).


You like the supernatural explanations? WHAT supernatural explanations? A cave of light isn't an explanation! The reason why MIB & Jacob can't kill each other being because their mother made it that way. That's not an explanation. That's just bad writing!
I don't think they can't kill each other because their mother made it that way so much as they can't kill each other for... some reason that their mother was aware of. Somehow. Possibly from drinking that drink and being the protector or something. Dunno...


Miracles have to have some sort of root. They can't simply just be random unexplained things. For a lot of people, it's divine intervention. That's how it happened on Battlestar Galactica. But it has to be rooted in something. We haven't found out exactly what the island is yet, but it has to be something that explains how those "miracles" might have been possible. God, angels, aliens, crazy alternate reality where normal rules don't apply, it has to be something. But all those things would result in people being pissed cause deux ex machinas are still considered bad writing.
This I agree with. Hopefully that much will be explained!


My absolute favorite thing about Lost were the character interactions. Talk about tone changes, in the beginning it had less to do with god or science, and more to do with just the characters in an extraordinary situation. Those first few seasons when the flashbacks slowly revealed how everyone was connected, their back stories, how they interacted on the island to survive, set up camp, find water, etc. That stuff was brilliant. Remember the fight between Michael & Jin over the watch? The fight itself was awesome, but I also loved how they brought to the foreground those racial tensions. Really great stuff. Great writing. And now they've killed most of the characters or completely ruined the characters (a la Sayid). Pfft.
I agree with the general killing off of characters being pretty crap. Personally, I was most gutted (prior to the latest episode) at Eko dying. I felt he had more to offer. But oh well. =|

As for the early seasons - that much was probably written out by the creator of Lost. JJ Abrams is actually the one who "only would get involved if supernatural themes were put into the storyline", so you can blame that end of things on him, I guess.

[Psychotic]

I agree with the general killing off of characters being pretty crap. Personally, I was most gutted (prior to the latest episode) at Eko dying. I felt he had more to offer. But oh well. =|Actually, he was supposed to have more to offer!
Damon Lindelof stated that Eko's story arc was originally supposed to last 4 seasons however due to Adewale's dislike of living in Hawaii he was killed off after a little over one season. Eko would have been another spiritual force on the island, and his plot would have focused around him discovering his spirituality.

[Moon Rabbits]

Read a synopsis of next week's episode, and for those of you worried that we aren't going to get a proper explanation of the light, the rules, etc: we don't.

[McLovin']

Totally with Doc Jensen | Lost Season 6 (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/05/totally-with-doc-jensen.html)

Awesome ass interview (video) with the actors of Jacob and MiB. Clip 5 is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.

[Moon Rabbits]

lol wut@alpert.

[Psychotic]

I guess he rode the midnight smoke going anywhere.

Ben you utterly masterful dick. And I thought they'd forgotten about poor Desmond in the well.

[Levian]

So how long is the finale next week?

[Loony BoB]

Twice as long as normal, basically.

[Flying Mullet]

Two and a half hours, I believe. It's on (in the US, at least) Sunday evening.

[Del Murder]

So is Richard dead? I sure hope not, what a crappy way to go out after living for a couple hundred years.

[Miriel]

If that's they way they killed him off, I will be pissed! And Miles just randomly running through the jungle. Oh lord.

I'm choosing to believe that Richard is still alive. Just, maybe stuck in a tree or something. Glad that weird Tina Fey lookalike is dead. Widmore's death was anticlimactic.

I laughed when Ana Lucia showed up and Hurley's reaction to her.

The mystical chanting and drinking of blessed (or whatever it is) liquid had my eyes rolling. Blegh.

I'm glad they at least mentioned Sun & Jin's daughter!

Ben Linus continues to be crazy. I like his sideways character a lot more than creepy murderous island Ben. Which is the opposite of Desmond. I love scappy island Des, and clean cut sideways Des is seriously creepy.

[Loony BoB]

If that's they way they killed him off, I will be pissed! And Miles just randomly running through the jungle. Oh lord.

I'm choosing to believe that Richard is still alive. Just, maybe stuck in a tree or something. Glad that weird Tina Fey lookalike is dead. Widmore's death was anticlimactic.

I laughed when Ana Lucia showed up and Hurley's reaction to her.

I'm glad they at least mentioned Sun & Jin's daughter!
Ditto.

Ben Linus continues to be crazy. I like his sideways character a lot more than creepy murderous island Ben. Which is the opposite of Desmond. I love scappy island Des, and clean cut sideways Des is seriously creepy.
Really? I mean, I love that Ben plays such a good nice guy, to be fair, and it was such an awesome episode when he tried to help Alex in the alternate reality thing... but I still love his island character. For this reason I think Widmore's death, while anticlimatic, was really appropriate. This is a guy who killed Ben's daughter. His reaction was exactly as it should have been. I'm very interested to see what purpose Ben has to come... he was told he could have the island once MIB had left it, but then MIB at the end of the episode stated that he's going to blow it up. I imagine that he's lost his bargaining point with Ben, but having said that, I don't know if he needs him for anything anymore, anyway (anyanyany!).

I get the feeling there are definitely going to be soooooooo many unanswered questions once this is over and can definitely see a seventh series being done or maybe just some mobisodes or something... anything to actually fill in the blanks for a little cash.

[Miriel]

Oh yeah, his island character is definitely great. Crazy, but still great.

I just really like seeing him in the role of a teacher. I think it's really funny. And I love how he says these nerdy/douchey things like, "It's doctor, actually" and "I'M MAKING A CITIZEN'S ARREST!" xD Plus his interaction with Alex is sooo sweet. Love it.

[Del Murder]

So who's left from the earlier seasons who hasn't been brought back yet? I can remember...

Shannon (probably isn't coming back)
Juliet (probably Jack's kid's mother)
Eko (doubt if we see him but it would be cool if we did)
Walt (Walt! Waaaaaaalt!)
Nikki & Paolo (lol)
Vincent (if they kill off Vincent I suspect Miriel will erupt in a volcano of fury)

[Loony BoB]

Frogurt. =]

[Miriel]

I thought Vincent had shown up in yesterday's episode and was all, "OMG YAY VINCEEEEENT!!" and then it turned out to be stupid Tina Fey lookalike. Why was she rummaging in the kitchen anyway?

I would die from the awesomeness if Nikki & Paolo came back.

[Moon Rabbits]

So who's left from the earlier seasons who hasn't been brought back yet? I can remember...

Shannon (probably isn't coming back)
Juliet (probably Jack's kid's mother)
Eko (doubt if we see him but it would be cool if we did)
Walt (Walt! Waaaaaaalt!)
Nikki & Paolo (lol)
Vincent (if they kill off Vincent I suspect Miriel will erupt in a volcano of fury)

iirc, these folks will show up on Sunday:


Shannon
Juliet (who is indeed Jack's baby daddy)
<s>Eko</s>
Walt
<s>Nikki & Paolo</s>
Vincent (who, actually, some cast members have said dies - probably in jest, though)

[McLovin']

So is Richard dead? I sure hope not, what a crappy way to go out after living for a couple hundred years.

I wonder if somebody has made a gif of that clip of him getting falcon tackled and having it looping.

[Psychotic]

But of course.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/photobucketamazingness/255t4if.gif

Also, YouTube - Alpert's Badass Entrance Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acPWA720K7s)

[Levian]

I thought Vincent had shown up in yesterday's episode and was all, "OMG YAY VINCEEEEENT!!" and then it turned out to be stupid Tina Fey lookalike. Why was she rummaging in the kitchen anyway?

xDD

Too funny! :D

Since Jack is God, does this mean Sawyer gets Kate? :mog:

[McLovin']

So that's how they end up in trees hahaha.

[Matthew]

Man, it's going to be painful seeing this show end.

[Miriel]

Freakin' hilarious:

YouTube - Connect 4 Million - Jacob VS Man In Black LOST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGeASXjd0UU)

http://i43.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/98vjnt.jpg
http://i42.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/97p34p.jpg

[Miriel]

The end is almost here! Any plans for the finale? Lost drinking game/bingo perhaps?

http://i48.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/qr0jh0.jpg

[Psychotic]

Haha they are both fantastic.

Kind of weird that it's ending. I don't think I'll watch any of it again - Lost is more fun when you don't know what the fuck!

[McLovin']

23 Awesome Food Ideas For Your LOST Finale Party | Cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/blog/23-awesome-food-ideas-for-your-lost-finale-party/)

I love "Franks And Beanses: This mix of hot dogs and beans could easily have been really awesome. Unfortunately, it’s way too cheesy and corny and just when it’s starting to be a pretty good food, a door hits it in the fucking face."

[Moon Rabbits]

i dont care what anyone has had to say about this show ever (especially this season) this :bou::bou::bou::bou: is MAD BALLIN OUT OF CONTROL.

ROSE
AND
BERNARD.



AND. VINCENT.

[LowCaloriePie]

Sure, there were a lot of loose-ends but I was overall very happy with how the show ended. :)

Except for that deus ex machina with Kate, that was unnecessary. :|

[Psychotic]

Vincent and Lapidus holy mother of smurf yeah. And everyone! (apart from Eko and Michael and Walt. whoops, no black people allowed in heaven) Yeah, nothing was explained but who gives a smurf it was great.

still expectin' some OUTRAGE that there's no answers but man I don't care. I don't care! :)

although they probably shouldn't have ripped it off from Titanic

[Moon Rabbits]

Wow. I really loved that. The end was amazing. I just wow!

Really liked. THERE WERE JEARS.

[Cuchulainn]

What a bollox ending.

[McLovin']

W..tf? Wtf? WTF?! W...T....F! :mad2:

[Miriel]

I totally cried. I was over the moon ecstatic to see not only Vincent during the middle of the episode, but at the very end too!! Loved it! And seeing the whole cast reassemble was amazing. Could they have pulled at our collective heartstrings any more than they just did?

But they answered nothing! Nothing! But it's like, you can't even be mad because of all the happy feelings they shoved into that last episode. Tricky bastards! This is what they planned all along! Blind you with amazing moments like Sawyer/Juliet reunion so that you don't notice that nothing was answered! Ahhh!

Once this lovely glow of happy nostalgia for the characters fades, I'm sure tomorrow I'll be a lot more angrier at the bullcrap lack of answers and how none of this made any god damn sense in the end.

[Del Murder]

Sure, there were a lot of loose-ends but I was overall very happy with how the show ended. :)
Loose ends? I knew there would be loose ends, but they didn't answer the main thing. The one thing that from the beginning they told us they would answer. The main question of the entire series: <i>What is the island?</i>

It was a very good finale. Very emotional and touching, and it was cool to see all the characters back. I loved it, but they basically used that to distract us from the fact that they told us very little of what the island actually was. What is the light? Why did it turn all volcano when it was put out? I really wish they had given us this fundamental of answer.

Those bastards.

[McLovin']

...Like what is the smoke monster...or why can Desmond travel through fricken time (or did he even AHHH). I accept the ending for what it is and I didn't have any expectations going in but I'm just not understanding what it all meant as a whole.

[Madame Adequate]

Boy am I glad I stopped watching this show seasons ago! I don't care how emotionally awesome it felt, there's no way I would tolerate it not answering questions. :p At least it sounds somewhat redeemed by being emotionally satisfying though.

[Slothy]

Loose ends? I knew there would be loose ends, but they didn't answer the main thing. The one thing that from the beginning they told us they would answer. The main question of the entire series: <i>What is the island?</i>

It was a very good finale. Very emotional and touching, and it was cool to see all the characters back. I loved it, but they basically used that to distract us from the fact that they told us very little of what the island actually was. What is the light? Why did it turn all volcano when it was put out? I really wish they had given us this fundamental of answer.

Those bastards.

I'm with you and Miriel. I was simultaneously enjoying all the happy feelings and pissed that they answered nothing (well, except what was up with the alternate timeline, but that hardly counts). I never even expected them to answer everything, but not giving an answer to the fundamental question that has pretty much been the driving mystery behind the entire show was low. Really low. It felt like they were pretty much saying they had no idea how to give a satisfactory answer (even if it was a cryptic one) so they didn't even bother and tried to cover up the pile of poo they left in the middle of your room with some air freshener.

I enjoyed the episode as a season finale or partial conclusion, but as a series finale it was very wanting. The writers and producers are dicks.

[Psychotic]

I think it just goes to show the entire show was about the characters, and all of the mystery stuff was just a plot device to tell us about them.

Whether or not you think that is a good thing, though, is up to you!

[Slothy]

I think it just goes to show the entire show was about the characters, and all of the mystery stuff was just a plot device to tell us about them.

Whether or not you think that is a good thing, though, is up to you!

The characters were only half of the show. You don't spend six seasons building up the mysteries that much to cop out with an "it's about the characters" answer. If seeing the character moments was enough to satisfy some fans then more power to them, but the rest of us wanted some of the answers we were promised to go with them.

I'll point out that I'm not even talking about them throwing in a moment with Jacob laying out exactly what the island is and how everything works. Somewhat vague non-specific answers would have been fine, but they couldn't be bothered to even give us that much.

[*ETERNAL FANTASY*]

Definately agree with what most have said here!

Great emotional finale!! But could've been better if there were actually answers! They couldve answered as much questions in the lead up to the finale and it still wouldve been great but the main unanswered loose plot threads are pretty hard to ignore!

Of all things...seeing vincent in the end nearly made me cry!!

[Levian]

The most annoying thing about Lost throughout all of its seasons is by far its "fans" :p

I don't need answers to every little thing, and we do know what the island and the light is, don't we? Jacob explained it earlier in the season using a wine bottle.

Nice episode!

[Del Murder]

I think it just goes to show the entire show was about the characters, and all of the mystery stuff was just a plot device to tell us about them.

Whether or not you think that is a good thing, though, is up to you!
Yeah that was plainly obvious in the finale, the producers also said so during the two hour recap before the finale. So it wasn't a huge surprise. But as Vivi said that is only half the show. The other half is the mysteries, and that is what made the show so popular. Without the craziness happening on the island the show would not have lasted 6 years. During those 6 years we were given the impression that the creators knew what the island was the whole time and why crazy stuff happens there, and we would be told this by the end. I don't feel like that happened.

I understood that it would be a character driven finale and many things wouldn't get explained, like the numbers, how certain characters have special powers (Walt, Hurley, Desmond, Miles, etc). But I really thought the essential question of what the island was would be explained. I thought Jacob's cork in the beaker explanation was a metaphor. But there really was a literal freaking cork. That's just bad writing. :/ Tell us what it's trying to keep locked away and why at least! The finale was beautiful except for that stuff.

[Psychotic]

Actually you make a good point by bringing up Walt. As far as characters goes, he has always been pretty damn important, playing a key role in the first two finales and appearing in the next two. Yet there's no mention of him ever again.

[Miriel]

I knew they were never going to answer all the questions. It became more and more obvious as time went on that they didn't even have answers to the mysteries.

But even as the "make :bou::bou::bou::bou: up as we go along" thing became crystal clear, I never stopped believing that in the end, they would tell us what the island was. Is, "the island is a cork" really the closest we're going to get to an answer? This was a cop-out of epic proportions. If they were going to pull a cop out, they did it in the most lovely way possible. But seriously, EPIC cop-out.

Edit:

Ok, so I've been reading around theories and interpretations online and people seem to be mighty confused about what happened. But it seemed pretty clear to me? Island stuff really happened, they all eventually died and "created" a place in the afterlife to help find each other so they could help each other move on. Right?

Also they apparently offered Eko a hefty sum to return for the finale but he wanted 5 times that amount and so he was yanked from the finale. What a bitch move! Greedy! No explanation about why Walt didn't come back, but I assume it's cause they didn't want to deal with the weirdness of having a totally grown up Walt when they kept Aaron as a baby.

[Slothy]

Ok, so I've been reading around theories and interpretations online and people seem to be mighty confused about what happened. But it seemed pretty clear to me? Island stuff really happened, they all eventually died and "created" a place in the afterlife to help find each other so they could help each other move on. Right?

I thought that was unbelievably clear as well. As much as it doesn't surprise me that some people are confused about it, I don't understand how they could be.

[Loony BoB]

I liked the touch of having close to every religion covered in the temple.

It was an okay ending. If anything, I actually kind of like that they didn't answer everything as, much like a lot of FF games, it leaves a lot open to discussion and interpretation. As for "what is the island" - Like Lev, I thought that was answered some time ago as well, actually. I think it's a bit more than that, though - I believe that it holds the world together in a way. That plug thing was destroying the island, and I think it would have destroyed the world if it stayed unplugged forever (hence "when the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere").

[LunarWeaver]

I found a lot of it kind of maudlin. All this slow memory stirring as characters meet over and over, I felt like I was watching "Previously, on Lost..." recaps with characters smile-crying in the middle of them. But I was alright with most of it, I guess. I would take the 6 season journey again, and that's pretty good.

I liked Kate's, "I saved you a bullet." So many haters :colbert: Kate is awesome. I have that exact black dress too. I look better in it, though.

[Moon Rabbits]

Ok, so I've been reading around theories and interpretations online and people seem to be mighty confused about what happened. But it seemed pretty clear to me? Island stuff really happened, they all eventually died and "created" a place in the afterlife to help find each other so they could help each other move on. Right?

That's what I got out of it too.


I found a lot of it kind of maudlin. All this slow memory stirring as characters meet over and over, I felt like I was watching "Previously, on Lost..." recaps with characters smile-crying in the middle of them.

Awwwww I thought it was cute. I mean Sawyer and Juliet. COME ON.



I liked Kate's, "I saved you a bullet."

Season 6 made me really like Kate, especially that part, and her "NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO BE A MOM CLAIRE STFU LETS GO." speech was ballin.

I don't get why people have a problem with what the Island is though. The Island is magic. For real. Like, come on. They've flat out said it before. Remember the "magic box"? Locke always used to be on about how it was a place where miracles happen and :bou::bou::bou::bou:. And then yeah, there was the whole cork deal. The Island is God! The source of life! Etc.! I was reading a review of the final episode that said something along the lines of "we can't explain god and life in reality so why would we expect them to be able to do it in a believable way on a tv show?" which I thought was pretty apt. And hey, I thought they did a pretty damn good job with the whole life/heaven/etc thing anyway.

I just rewatched it because I wanted to make sure it was as good as I thought it was and I wasn't just blinded by "omgggggg its ending" excitement. It was totally better the second time. Kate asking Jack if she would ever see him again is < / 3 when you knowwww they won't (until they're both dead). Omfgggg and Vincent coming to lay down beside Jack as he dies got me both times - oh the jears.


I liked the touch of having close to every religion covered in the temple.

noticed that too. i thought it was rad.

[McLovin']

Actually you make a good point by bringing up Walt. As far as characters goes, he has always been pretty damn important, playing a key role in the first two finales and appearing in the next two. Yet there's no mention of him ever again.

What's funny is that the only reason they had Walt off in the first place was just because the kid was growing up so they needed him off the show unfortunately. Then because of fans they brought Walt back for like one episode. His powers or whatever just seem to have no explanation and can probably be just thrown out as an irrelevant storyline that the writers never had a plan for.

[Cuchulainn]

I'm happy with SOME questions not answered and a few plotlines left loose but they left a HELL of a lot unanswered as they force fed us cheap sentimental moments stolen from other shows & hoped we wouldn't notice.

It was a bull:bou::bou::bou::bou: way to end it.

Why was Richard not there at the nd? Or Eko? Daniel? Frank or Miles?

[Moon Rabbits]

Why was Richard not there at the nd? Or Eko? Daniel? Frank or Miles?

Jack was never particularly close with these characters, maybe?

[Miriel]

Forget that, why was Vincent not there with them in the Church? Doggies go to heaven too!

[Cuchulainn]

Why was Richard not there at the nd? Or Eko? Daniel? Frank or Miles?

Jack was never particularly close with these characters, maybe?
The whole churcxh thing was not just about Jack, if it was that converasation outside between Ben & John wouldn't be there.

[Croyles]

I really enjoyed the ending. Greatly executed in a way that Across the Sea really wasn't. I too was expecting more of an answer other than "the island is a cork that keeps in the evil", but was still very satisfied and ultimately came to the conclusion that whatever further explanation they could have come up with what exactly the 'evil' is would have been pretty corny (or MORE corny to some people).

On a little sidenote about some of the less relevant stuff:
Loved the fight between Jack and Locke but it was too short and shouldn't have ended with Kate shooting Locke. This was their fight. Also, the storm was awesome, it didn't need to be over so quickly.

I was surprised that the flash-sideways was their own purgatory. I was sure since a few episodes ago that it was a way for the characters to bleed to through to a more happy life (like Desmond thought in this ep!)
It was very good however and the fact that the end of the show is them all being dead is far from a cop-out.

Kinda sad that it's over.

[McLovin']

Why was Richard not there at the nd? Or Eko? Daniel? Frank or Miles?

Jack was never particularly close with these characters, maybe?
The whole churcxh thing was not just about Jack, if it was that converasation outside between Ben & John wouldn't be there.

Maybe when Richard died he didn't need to let go like all the rest of the losties still did. He got a shortcut through to the other side without the in-between life in the way.

The answers are there and all the pieces have been layed our carefully if you can notice them now. The in-between world it isn't a cop out since they've been showing us the in-between world over the course of season 3.

[Levian]

I loved the fact that in the end Kate was the one who killed the big baddie of the show, if only because of the fuel it would add to the Kate Hate bonfire.

[Moon Rabbits]

I loved the fact that in the end Kate was the one who killed the big baddie of the show, if only because of the fuel it would add to the Kate Hate bonfire.

Me too. Plus it's all nice with Kate being all "I have always been with you!" when they're on Penny's boat or w/e.


satisfied and ultimately came to the conclusion that whatever further explanation they could have come up with what exactly the 'evil' is would have been pretty corny (or MORE corny to some people).
It was very good however and the fact that the end of the show is them all being dead is far from a cop-out.

Kinda sad that it's over.

This!

[charliepanayi]

The actor who played Eko allegedly wanted five times the amount he was offered to come back for the last episode so that's why he wasn't present probably.

And Daniel's mother did ask Desmond if he was going to take her son away, and he said no. Maybe because Daniel (like Ben) wasn't ready to move on yet.

[Loony BoB]

No, Daniel never got the flashbacks or anything, while Ben did. Ben knows where to go when he's ready - he just wasn't ready yet. Richard, and others I imagine, will all move on when they feel the time is right. Daniel and Charlotte, for example - you know something is going to happen there, and when it does, I'm sure they'll move on someday, too. I think Desmond knew he didn't need to do anything there. For the most part, I guess I think Desmond took the people he wanted to go, not so much the people that Jack or anyone else wanted to go.

What I possibly loved about this episode more than anything is Hurley & Ben being "#1 and #2". That was just... kind of perfect, actually. I couldn't have scripted that scene better. Fantastic. It's about time that Ben got to have some kind of special status on the island and it's also a great idea to have Hurley be the "future #1" and for him to change the rules and make it about what's right rather than what's "sacred" or whatever.

I do wonder, though, what happened to the island in the distant future. Maybe there will be a sequel series with all-new characters! *runs*

[Del Murder]

I want to know what happened to Ji-Yun. They said they would address that.

[Loony BoB]

Died in a car accident at the age of seventeen. Tragic.

[Moon Rabbits]

i love all the little memes that have popped up because of this show

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1guxcVFwO1qzzta5o1_500.jpg

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l2y1j1B2ii1qb8iibo1_400.gif

[charliepanayi]

As another discussion point, now it's all over looking back what were your favourite episodes from the whole show? I think my top five were, in no real order:

Through the Looking Glass
The Constant
The Long Con
The Shape of Things to Come
Expose (I just liked how cruel this one was to be honest)

[Miriel]

Died in a car accident at the age of seventeen. Tragic.

:mad2:

Ji-Yeon & Aaron met and fell in love and were never separated like their parents were and lived happily ever after.

[Del Murder]

Yay! Aw man, it would have been so cool if that was part of a flash waaaaay forward at some point.

[Quindiana Jones]

I totally wished I'd kept on watching this after Season One, Episode 4. :(

[Levian]

As another discussion point, now it's all over looking back what were your favourite episodes from the whole show? I think my top five were, in no real order:

Through the Looking Glass
The Constant
The Long Con
The Shape of Things to Come
Expose (I just liked how cruel this one was to be honest)

Exposé is definitely one of my favorites. It tied in well with previous episodes and was just fun in general :up:

[Moon Rabbits]

As another discussion point, now it's all over looking back what were your favourite episodes from the whole show? I think my top five were, in no real order:

Through the Looking Glass
The Constant
The Long Con
The Shape of Things to Come
Expose (I just liked how cruel this one was to be honest)

Expose is up there. But I think that's a special episode, really :}~

The End because it was fucking awesome.

S.O.S. because I love Rose and Bernard, especially the scene where Rose tells Bernard she's sick.

The Shape of Things to Come because it's fucking awesome, and Alex's death was intense.

The Variable because Daniel Faraday was the best character D:

Lighthouse because it was awesome, and Jack's freakout was also awesome, and Jack is awesome.

A Tale of Two Cities because the flashbacks for Jack were fucked.

Not in Portland and One of Us because Juliet. End of story. Juliet.

My favorite episode is The Other Woman, fo sho, though. Because Juliet. And Ben! And the creepy date. And the impaled Goodwin corpse. All crazy amounts of fuckery.

What a good show.

[The Man]

I really liked the ending. Anyone who'd read interviews with Lindelof and Cuse would've realised they wouldn't go into intense technical detail about what the island was - they specifically related to how they felt the devolution of the Force into "midichlorians" in the prequel trilogy of Star Wars was a bad move, and I agree. Having the island still be somewhat mysterious makes a lot more sense than explaining every last detail, because life is mysterious.

I think the finale was almost as well executed as it could have been, given the circumstances. My main disappointment was not seeing Mr. Eko, but I guess that's understandable.

As for my favourite episodes, I'll have to think and come up with a list.

[Del Murder]

Yeah, Expose was pretty awesome.

[Kirobaito]

I've no idea why y'all are saying "Expose." I hated that episode, and thought outside of "Fire + Water" and "Stranger in a Strange Land" it was the worst episode of the series.

My favorite episodes:

"Walkabout"
"The Man Behind the Curtain"
"Through the Looking Glass"
"The Constant"
"The Shape of Things to Come"
"The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
"Ab Aeterno"
"The End"

[Moon Rabbits]

I can understand why one would hate Fire+Water, but I never really understood why Stranger in a Strange Land got such a bad rep. I thought it was okay.

[charliepanayi]

Why I liked Expose:

Two annoying characters introduced to the show seemingly as a replacement for the equally annoying Boone and Shannon. Nobody likes them much. Writers realise this and so bump them off in a hilariously cruel way (and show plenty of self-awareness as they go about it, with Sawyer constantly asking who they are). Plus I liked how it was plotted (similar to The Long Con).

[Loony BoB]

Out of curiosity, maybe it's slipped my mind or something, but did we ever find out what was going on when John and then later on Hurley found Jacob's shed?

[The Man]

The shed was apparently inhabited by Jacob at one point, but he hadn't been there for quite some time. The implication was that Smokey had been using it.

This commentary (http://forum.lostpedia.com/someone-bad-robots-take-finale-t59261.html) was apparently written by a Bad Robot employee. I found it fairly enlightening.

[Del Murder]

The Ben episodes were also my favorite episodes. I don't know the titles offhand.

[Cuchulainn]

Did the man in Black not say the flash in the shed was him? Think he did. It waas him manipulating Ben all those years.

[PeneloRatsbane]

I cried my heart out when Vincent laid down beside jack, he didn't die alone and he didn't pass on alone, harks back to the "live together or die alone" (is that right) speech from s1.

OMG YAY FRANK, you da man

Sawyer and Juliet was epic! but it was Sayid and Shannon that made me grin, cos i thought they had dropped that pairing but they were together again.

Dan and Charlotte, too short but very sweet, Its the lil looks they give each other that always made me love them, I'm sure that once they had the time together that they were denied they will get to move on too, Maybe with Frank (altho he didn't turn up in the flashsideways i'm sure he will eventually) and Miles.

Can't help but feel sorry for flashsideways Miles, his true love has past on and he went with Juliet. He's gunna go to work and be heartbroken when James doesn't come in lol.

Kate won me over in the finale her line about "I missed you so much" is pretty poignant, I took it to mean she lived a good long time after Jack :(. So pleased they were together in the end, up till s4 i was tottally "skate" and "jacket", but Jack and Kate were meant to be, as were Sawyer and Juliet, she finally made him grow up.

Wish i felt more about Claire and Charlie tho, i loved them and it was touching but it didn't get to me as much as the others.

All in all it was beautiful but heartachingly sad, and I totally called the last scene being Jack lying on the floor and his eyes close

[Craig]

i loved it, but i found myself thinking when it turned out the sideways was all purgatory or whatever and that these characters had all found eachother because it was the most important time of their lives or whatever thinking "well hold on.. some of these people never even met and some of them were only alive on the island for a few weeks.. why is it all so important?"

its like.. the main story line was what i was interested in, but they made the flashsideways/purgatory, that we had only a 1 out of 6 seasons to know the most important part of it, and for what? so they could all meet and move on together... when some of the main characters there probably went on to live long full lives that we never got to see, who knows what happened to them, why do we care if they all got to meet up?

sorry thats written really badly, but i dunno how to word it properly. anyway, despite that i did love it, just the purgatory ending made me sad/confused/and a bit ...right okay all in one

[PeneloRatsbane]

Maybe there lives weren't so great, I mean after everything they went through (the ones that survive). Nothing as special as surviving on a magical island could have happened.

I mean, for example, maybe Kate and Sawyer got together in the orginal timeline, maybe not but we don't know, its left open. But if they did they didn't love each other as much as they did Jack and Juliet. What matters is they are all united by what happened to them.
The only survivors of the original timeline at the church were Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Claire, Dess and Penny, and they all were very close with their dead friends.
Hurley had lost Libby his love and Charlie his best friend
Claire gets to be with Kate, aaron and Chawlie
Sawyer back with juliet who he lost
Kate back with Jack who she lost
and Des and Pen obviously would be together when they died, and Des and Jack had a special kind of love, Des and Pen had a connection with Chawlie

all the others died before the end so the island was the best part of their life anyway

[Moon Rabbits]

Did the man in Black not say the flash in the shed was him? Think he did. It waas him manipulating Ben all those years.

Yes, I thought this was pretty well implied. Esp. with Ben's line about his closet: "this is where I thought I was summoning the smoke monster but it turns out he was summoning me" or whatever.

[Faris]

Forgive me if I glanced over it, but does anyone know where to find a list of the manifest that shows what their destiny on the island is? Apparently some of the things on it were like: "Jack: To take Jacob's place. Kate: To kill the Man in Black" Apparently it's an app on the iPhone :confused:

[The Man]

This is the first I've heard of it.

Just posting to clarify that the above link I posted wasn't, as the lostpedia thread claimed (and I assumed), written by a Bad Robot employee, but by an ex-employee of ABC who hasn't worked with them for awhile. Also now that I've gone over it again there are a couple of inaccuracies in it, though I'd say it's still somewhat enlightening.

[charliepanayi]

LOST Bonus 12-14 Minute Epilogue Will Be Released on DVD | /Film (http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/05/26/lost-bonus-12-14-minute-epilogue-will-be-released-on-dvd/)

Could be interesting, could be very uninformative, or could just infuriate some people still further :D

[Psychotic]

The Hurley & Ben Show will

A) Answer no questions whatsoever
B) Be the best thing

[charliepanayi]

I can just see it now:

'This is another fine mess you've got me into Ben'
*crying* 'I'm sorry Hurley...'

[Shlup]

I never watched this show before, but I hear ya'll ended up with what equates to a six-year Rick Roll. I lol'd.

[charliepanayi]

I never watched this show before, but I hear ya'll ended up with what equates to a six-year Rick Roll. I lol'd.

We didn't, sorry ;)

[Shlup]

Don't worry, I forgive you.

[PeneloRatsbane]

I never watched this show before, but I hear ya'll ended up with what equates to a six-year Rick Roll. I lol'd.


Nope i watched from Day one and the ending fitted pretty perfectly, you heard wrong or from a source with unrealistic expectations :)

[Shlup]

Well, from what I heard, I would've hated it. Those kinds of endings make me throw things. I guess it makes sense since supposedly the rest of the entire show didn't make sense. I'm sure I would've liked it if I had watched it but, after reading about how they ended it, I'm glad I didn't 'cause I would be one of the people really, really unhappy. xP

[McLovin']

If you watched the entire show besides the finale you wouldn't hate it...After seeing the finale you might be a little disappointed but the journey to the finale would have made you love the show.

[PeneloRatsbane]

The show made sense, you just have to go with it. Its a sci-fi show after all. You'd have to be pretty dense to not be able to follow it.

It took about an hour for the finale to sink in for me but when it did I thought it was pretty perfect.

Amongst the many running themes was the notion of science vs faith and love, the finale played on that. I think it was done very well it was sad but at the same time very beautiful. It was about (amongst many things) being lost without the people you love and when you find them again you are ready to move on.

Jack and gangs journey had finally ended.

Ben is probably still coming to terms with everything, he was pretty complicated

Daniel and Charlotte are at the very beginning of coming to terms with it, but aren't ready yet. At first I was a little surprised that Desmond wasn't going to take Daniel with him, seeing as he was taking Penny, Dan's sister. But thinking back to series 4 and 5 the only person that mattered to Daniel was Charlotte and the only person that mattered to Charlotte was Daniel. They were always a little removed from the other group so it makes sense.

Then I thought about Miles and it was a bit cold he didn't get to go with Sawyer who he was very close to. i guess he just wasn't ready yet, also Miles, He mentioned he had a girlfriend but we don't get to see who it was. He lived on after the island so maybe he found something more important or maybe its Niaomi and all the freighties can go together?

Eloise is particularly interesting as she know but doesn't. want it to be over yet.

Ana Lucia looks like she has a way to go.

Sure there are answers left unanswered, but it doesn't really matter.

[Cuchulainn]

It was a woeful ending and you're all being fooled by sentiment.

[charliepanayi]

It was a woeful ending and you're all being fooled by sentiment.

Or maybe those of us who liked it actually liked it?

Actually, your not-at-all patronising answer is clearly the correct one.

[PeneloRatsbane]

It was a woeful ending and you're all being fooled by sentiment.

Thats actually quite rude. You saying we can't make up our own minds. I'm an intelligent individual who is perfectly capable of forming my own opinions Thank you very much :P

[Moon Rabbits]

It was a woeful ending and you're all being fooled by sentiment.

Naw, sir. I stopped expecting answers somewhere in season 3. I wanted a character driven finale and I got one. It was great.

ALSO, the idea that Kate lived for another 50 years or whatever without Jack is pretty much the most heart breaking thing ever.

Ever.

[Del Murder]

It was a woeful ending and you're all being fooled by sentiment.
I'm only quoting this post to make it four in a row, but on topic I will say I agree with you, though how you interpret the ending is subjective based on how you viewed the show.

[Cuchulainn]

I'm right all your opinions are wrong and that's the end of the matter. Now if you'll excuse me I have eggs to polish.

[Spiffing Cheese]

If you watched the entire show besides the finale you wouldn't hate it...After seeing the finale you might be a little disappointed but the journey to the finale would have made you love the show.

I'm the exception to this, apparently. I loved the series as a whole, I've watched it from the beginning multiple times, and I hated the finale. HATED it. The only part, for me, that made it worth watching was VINCENT!!! and the Sayid and Shannon reunion.

Seriously. The whole time I was just sitting there WTFing. I am so beyond disappointed. The CORK? The magic light? The-water-makes-you-Jacob? Seriously? Was this the plan from season one? SERIOUSLY?

Also, I'm not a Kate hater at all and the fact that the Sawyer and Kate relationship was basically not even MENTIONED pissed me off a LOT. Jack and Kate together makes me nauseous.

One thing I don't get is Jack's son. How does he exist if it's, like, purgatory? It doesn't make sense to me.


I never watched this show before, but I hear ya'll ended up with what equates to a six-year Rick Roll. I lol'd.

YES. :(

[charliepanayi]

You hated the ending (fair enough) but thought the Sayid-Shannon reunion was one of the only highpoints? That was the one really rubbish pairing throughout the whole of Lost! (OK, Sawyer and Ana Lucia's one time fling as well was stupid)

Also this is great:
If Lucasarts Had Made A Lost Game...In 1987... (http://kotaku.com/5550627/if-lucasarts-had-made-a-lost-gamein-1987/gallery/)

[McLovin']

I think Lost has sparked the same controversy as FF8. Gotta love it or hate it.

[Madame Adequate]

Well, from what I heard, I would've hated it. Those kinds of endings make me throw things. I guess it makes sense since supposedly the rest of the entire show didn't make sense. I'm sure I would've liked it if I had watched it but, after reading about how they ended it, I'm glad I didn't 'cause I would be one of the people really, really unhappy. xP

Seriously. You can't play up the mysteries as a significant part of the point of the show and then cop out and say "It's all about the characters". The show wouldn't have made it to season 2 if it hadn't been for the numbers, the hatch, the polar bear, the smoke monster, Rousseau, the Others, Jack seeing his dead father, all that stuff. There were a lot of great and interesting characters on the show, but really, I stopped watching once I accepted that there were never going to be any answers. And once they killed Rousseau.

Midichlorians is a crap comparison because the Force was sufficiently explained, coherent, and understandable that it didn't need an explanation like that, and to give it one devalued it. That is, Star Wars works without it, and the whys and wherefores didn't need to be answered.

[charliepanayi]

You cite things like the polar bear, Jack seeing his father, the smoke monster - a lot of these things are explained through, at least partially. There are some answers, but whether you're happy with the ones there were (and what is left open) is a rather subjective area. And it's pretty much the factor that's split people into 'love' or 'hate' camps.

And the Force is 'sufficiently explained, coherent, and understandable'? It's one of the vaguest concepts going (in what it actually is) in the original trilogy.

That said, I'll say again it was annoying that Whidmore was such a red herring - no respect at all for Jim Robinson there :(

[Slothy]

You cite things like the polar bear, Jack seeing his father, the smoke monster - a lot of these things are explained through, at least partially.

That wasn't the point he was making. The point was were it not for the mysteries surrounding those things the show wouldn't have made it past the first season, which is absolutely true frankly.

[Spiffing Cheese]

Seriously. You can't play up the mysteries as a significant part of the point of the show and then cop out and say "It's all about the characters". The show wouldn't have made it to season 2 if it hadn't been for the numbers, the hatch, the polar bear, the smoke monster, Rousseau, the Others, Jack seeing his dead father, all that stuff. There were a lot of great and interesting characters on the show, but really, I stopped watching once I accepted that there were never going to be any answers. And once they killed Rousseau.

Yeah, this is what bugs me - it's not just about the characters, it never has been, it's always been about the crazy mystery stuff as WELL as the characters (don't get me wrong, I realise that it's a very character driven show and that's one of the best things about it) - for the writers to now be saying 'it's a character study, the answers don't matter' is just balls. It just makes me think they never had any bloody answers in the first place.

[Spiffing Cheese]

Seriously. You can't play up the mysteries as a significant part of the point of the show and then cop out and say "It's all about the characters". The show wouldn't have made it to season 2 if it hadn't been for the numbers, the hatch, the polar bear, the smoke monster, Rousseau, the Others, Jack seeing his dead father, all that stuff. There were a lot of great and interesting characters on the show, but really, I stopped watching once I accepted that there were never going to be any answers. And once they killed Rousseau.

Yeah, this is what bugs me - it's not just about the characters, it never has been, it's always been about the crazy mystery stuff as WELL as the characters (don't get me wrong, I realise that it's a very character driven show and that's one of the best things about it) - for the writers to now be saying 'it's a character study, the answers don't matter' is just balls. It just makes me think they never had any bloody answers in the first place.


The point was were it not for the mysteries surrounding those things the show wouldn't have made it past the first season, which is absolutely true frankly.

I totally agree. As much as I love the show, it would never have survived as (as the writers are citing it now) a simple 'character study' of these people on an island.

[charliepanayi]

I think there's a distinction to be made here - in my opinion the final episode was about the characters, that doesn't mean the whole final season was. They tried to deal with some of the mythology there (albeit in a way that still threw up questions), it's just that by then they'd left Dharma/The Others/any SF elements behind to focus on Jacob and his brother. And by just making the last episode a character piece it made the ending more moving for me.

And I have to disagree with some of what's being said, yes of course the mysteries were part of what kept me watching, but so were the characters. If the entire show had been populated by Shannon-clones I wouldn't have made it past episode one. Sawyer and Hurley alone made the show 50% more watchable.

[Slothy]

And I have to disagree with some of what's being said, yes of course the mysteries were part of what kept me watching, but so were the characters. If the entire show had been populated by Shannon-clones I wouldn't have made it past episode one. Sawyer and Hurley alone made the show 50% more watchable.

I don't think anyone has at any point suggested that the characters weren't important.

[Hythloday]

None of this discussion really matters because we're all actually in purgatory right now trying to learn to let go and imagining stories for each other even though we're complete strangers.

[PeneloRatsbane]

You hated the ending (fair enough) but thought the Sayid-Shannon reunion was one of the only highpoints? That was the one really rubbish pairing throughout the whole of Lost! (OK, Sawyer and Ana Lucia's one time fling as well was stupid)

Also this is great:
If Lucasarts Had Made A Lost Game...In 1987... (http://kotaku.com/5550627/if-lucasarts-had-made-a-lost-gamein-1987/gallery/)


That Ana Lucia/Sawyer thing was so stupid, but it would have made sense if she had been the one to go out with him in the flash sideways and have it go down the way it did. Using the previously socially stunted Charlotte for that was a really dumb idea. I think she spoke to Sawyer like once in the island timeline and that was just to yell at him for daring to touch Daniel. The Ana Lucia and Sawyer thing not working out would have been a nice call back to a scene that made zero sense in the first place and given it a little credability

[Craig]

come on guuuys lets talk about lost some more, its been a week and no one has said anything!! wasnt this ending supposed to be interpreted and discussed for time to come?

oh wait except it completely sucked and theres nothing to discuss.. sorry carry on about your business

[Del Murder]

It's just a show, not much really to discuss when it's over...

[Psychotic]

Apart from how great Frank is. Could talk about that forever. :love:

[Baloki]

<strike>I prefer the name George over Frank for the polar bear.</strike>

Forget that I just remembered who Frank is <3


http://www.geekforcefive.com/images/uploads/lost_namaste_frank.jpg

[The Man]

I was so glad when Frank showed up again in the finale. Richard too. I suspected neither of them was actually dead but it was nice to have confirmation.

[Levian]

If you like Frank, I think you should watch Psycho 3. ;)

http://www.cinemaxasia.com/images/posters/378x195/psycho_iii.jpg

[PeneloRatsbane]

If you like Frank, I think you should watch Psycho 3. ;)

http://www.cinemaxasia.com/images/posters/378x195/psycho_iii.jpg


ooohhh i've always been strangely attracted to Frank, I think its those eyes

[charliepanayi]

He's in The Lawnmower Man too, though that's terrible!

[Psychotic]

He's also in this upcoming movie called Machete, which looks pretty god damn badass and also has Ana-Lucia and Hurley's dad in it.

[Levian]

If you like Frank, I think you should watch Psycho 3. ;)

http://www.cinemaxasia.com/images/posters/378x195/psycho_iii.jpg


ooohhh i've always been strangely attracted to Frank, I think its those eyes

If it's not the eyes, then it might possibly be everything else about him. I wouldn't mind looking like that!

http://www.feoamante.com/Movies/Psycho/images/P3Fahey.jpg