(Chapters 11 & 12 threads) Yep, Still Linear. I swear

[Dignified Pauper]

Finally arrived at Chapter 11. All I have to say is that Chapter 9 has amazing end boss music.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Chapter 11 is not that linear, a few place yeah, but you have all of Gran Pulse to explore. I think I should probably level up a bit, since I am fighting Vanille's Eidolion and getting my ass served to me. :/

The Crystarium so expensive now! :(

[Dignified Pauper]

Yeah, the Chrystarium is super expensive. But I found a place to net 6600 CP in just under 2 minutes.

[Serapy]

Finally arrived at Chapter 11. All I have to say is that Chapter 9 has amazing end boss music.

Erm, no. Gran Pulse isn't linear.
It links to various places.

[Dignified Pauper]

I believe all the threads titles are about the previous ones. Meaning, UP TO THIS POINT, game was still linear.

[Sephiroth]

Yeah, the Chrystarium is super expensive. But I found a place to net 6600 CP in just under 2 minutes.

You mean this:

YouTube - Cetra29's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/Cetra29?feature=mhw5#p/a/u/1/ZaKqe49hOW0)

Wait until you defeat the Neochu for the Growth Egg. You will love this place.

The Summoner of Leviathan: Just use Vanille's Jammer job class. The moves of this class are enough to defeat Hecatoncheir.

[Dignified Pauper]

I think I found that monster, but it murdered me effortlessly... ALSO, those adamantoise are ridiculous.

omg just found a cactaur

[Sephiroth]

I think I found that monster, but it murdered me effortlessly... ALSO, those adamantoise are ridiculous.

The Neochu? No, you cannot find it at the moment. It is one of the missions. You get this mission in Oerba. Also it is very easy to beat this monster if you use Vanille's "Death" spell - normally I would not use magic like this but for the Growth Egg it is okay. But I have fought this monster only in the japanese version yet.

Here is a screenshot of the Neochu:

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4601/neochu.jpg


I think I found that monster, but it murdered me effortlessly... ALSO, those adamantoise are ridiculous.

omg just found a cactaur

Then you can try mission 54. This will be fun.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Here is a screenshot of the Neochu:

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4601/neochu.jpg


That is one ugly mofo.

BTW, I did like 6 of the missions, should I do more before I go to Oerba? I just don't wanna be raped. :(

[Sephiroth]

That is one ugly mofo.

BTW, I did like 6 of the missions, should I do more before I go to Oerba? I just don't wanna be raped. :(

So you have passed the tower?

And no, leave the missions where they are. Try them later. You will see there are missions which are too difficult. Later you need to have almost maximized characters. And for this you have to finish the storyline and get the Crystarium LV 10 so all of your characters can level their 6 jobs to Level 5.

Anyway to have to train. Otherwise the boss of the tower will show you what's power.

And here are some screenshots to encourage you to do your sidequests later instead of just ignoring them forever (but I think no Final Fantasy fan who likes sidequests will do that):

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2067/yun.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1680/kaktorius.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7227/tonberry4.jpg

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Okay, I did all the D's and two C's, so I will save the rest for later! Thanks!

[Dignified Pauper]

Um... Vanille's Eidolon Hecatoncheir just keeps killing me. GRRRR

Edit: Beat him.

For spoiled battle spoilers:

He seems to be MOST affected by sab. I put vanille as sab and fang as the uh... guard one

[Sephiroth]

He seems to be MOST affected by sab. I put vanille as sab and fang as the uh... guard one

I have already mentioned the Jammer (Saboteur) class. Maybe you haven't read my post so it was no help. Anyway you find out easy with just using your analization option.

[Dignified Pauper]

Hey, Seph, where do you farm platinum ingots?

[Sephiroth]

Hey, Seph, where do you farm platinum ingots?

I do not fight for platinum ingots while I am too weak for Adamantoises. And actually it is way faster to beat the Sacrifices because although their items are way cheaper you can beat them without greater problems. The only platinum ingots I have obtained by purpose were in my japanese version because my characters are maximized there and there I have almost all equipment items.

[Dignified Pauper]

Wow, I have done missions 1-20 and somehow mission 32? I'm awesome.

[Sephiroth]

Showing your back to the enemy... Overconfidence will destroy you. You are good when you have all 64 at rank 5.

[Dignified Pauper]

Well, I'm about to head back to Cocoon from Gran Pulse, but I want the growth egg. WHERE IS IT?! Yes, I beat the boss.

[Sephiroth]

Well, I'm about to head back to Cocoon from Gran Pulse, but I want the growth egg. WHERE IS IT?! Yes, I beat the boss.

You won't beat the Neochu right now. But if you want to try I will tell you.

Take a chocobo and run to the area in the great plains were the circle of missions is. Near to this point there is an area you can jumb up with your chocobo. Then you can face the Ochu. Once you have faced the Ochu you can choose Mission 55 in Oerba. It's on the garden-like roof. Then you will find the Neochu near the spot where the Ochu is. The Neochu is very strong. It doesn't have too much Hit Points but it's techniques are strong enough at it has like Ochu monster with it which will come back after a while once you have defeated them. I recommend to use the "Death" spell of Vanille to beat the Neochu if you are not able to defeat it. The "Death" spell doesn't have to be a one-hit ko. It is also possible it only makes damage. If that's the case you have to try until it works.

I am in Orphan's Cradle now.

[Dignified Pauper]

Just tell me. I already beat the original Ochu

[Sephiroth]

Just tell me. I already beat the original Ochu

I have edited the post before.

[Dignified Pauper]

chapter 12 has the most epic opening EVER

[Sephiroth]

chapter 12 has the most epic opening EVER

It is a shame it has already been shown in the last japanese trailer.

[Rye]

I absolutely loved... Hope's eidolon scene. How they all interact with each other is so incredibly endearing, I've never seen characters, specifically Hope and Sazh, act so incredibly human.

Time to play on the Calm Lands - oops, I mean, Gran Pulse!

[Loony BoB]

I can't read much of this thread as all I've done so far is kill a few marks and (obviously) a bunch of monsters. What I will say is that Gran Pulse is beautiful. I love how the animals are of all different sizes. The pack of elephant-like-thinks is amazing. <3

But. More importantly, and tragically. The death at the start of the chapter. I am not kidding when I say that I was mortified when that Chocobo was hunted by the pack of wolfy things. MORTIFIED. I mean, I'll laugh at Aeris dying, and it was a major part of a story, so it's understandable that they'd show it for emotive purposes (you know, like, how it makes you happy). BUT WHY WOULD THEY SHOW THIS?!?! IT IS A CHOCOBO.

I mean... I... I... :(

EDIT: :(

[Dignified Pauper]

And those animals don't distinguish selectively. If it moves, they eat it.

[Shlup]

So, like, I'm barely into chapter 11 and I'm reading the datalog and I read Vanille's character entry and when the fuck did they say she turned into Ragnarok and that was her previous focus?!

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Yes, that is what has been said for now....

[Psychotic]

But. More importantly, and tragically. The death at the start of the chapter. I am not kidding when I say that I was mortified when that Chocobo was hunted by the pack of wolfy things. MORTIFIED. I mean, I'll laugh at Aeris dying, and it was a major part of a story, so it's understandable that they'd show it for emotive purposes (you know, like, how it makes you happy). BUT WHY WOULD THEY SHOW THIS?!?! IT IS A CHOCOBO.

I mean... I... I... :(

EDIT: :(Yes exactly! :(

[Shlup]

Yeah that was pretty crushing. Like, what next? You gonna show a moogle getting violated by flan? Stealing our innocence and joy! *weep*

[Shlup]

So I just got zero points for a battle... and then got a pearl necklace. Way to add insult to injury.

[Psychotic]

*snickers*

[Raistlin]

So I just got to chapter 11 earlier tonight and it's like I FINALLY started the real game. Gran Pulse is badass and there is so much there that can kick my ass, and I had fought pretty much everything earlier in the game. I'm on the third or fourth mark, whichever's the first teleporting one -- I accepted the mission then had to leave for my library hours.


So I just got zero points for a battle... and then got a pearl necklace. Way to add insult to injury.

I lol'd.

[Shlup]

Then you're one mission behind me. I've been wandering a lot; this map feels endless. o.O

[Psychotic]

I want to kill one of those huge elephant things but I'm too scared to even challenge one.

[Shlup]

I touched one once.

Bad plan.

P.S. Dinosaur not elephant wtf you are like as big as its toe.

[Psychotic]

I can't really say I've tried to get close enough to one to determine its species. Hell I felt like a badass just for killing a Behemoth King so that tells you how :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty I am right now.

[Raistlin]

I want to kill one of those huge elephant things but I'm too scared to even challenge one.

Haha, yes.


I've been wandering a lot; this map feels endless. o.O

Seriously. It's like the game is consciously trying to compensate for the first 20+ hours being a straight line. :p

[Psychotic]

It makes you wonder why the fuck they didn't give us this place sooner. Or make another area like it (but a bit smaller I suppose) earlier in the game instead of a few of the more generic dungeons like Chapter 10's Ark.

[Shlup]

I haven't killed a Behemoth King yet. I can get him to the second stage super easy but then he just toasts me. I haven't tried for awhile, but I still don't think I'm strong enough. -_-;

Yeah, this map is a pretty crazy contrast to the straight-line of all the other maps. I am so lost right now.

When I touched the dinosaur he just stomped his feet near me and I totally died.

[Raistlin]

Chapter 10 should've just been skipped. Whatever miniscule amount it added to the game is nullified by its incredible suckiness.

But yeah, I was also thinking why there couldn't have been other areas earlier in the game with a bit more expanse to them. Not everything has to be like Gran Pulse, of course, but a little more expanse and a few of those Mark hunts earlier on would've been cool. Chapter 11 is the first time you're doing anything different from everyone else, which is kind of sad.

EDIT: Shlup, if those Behemoth Kings are what I think they are, they are certainly tough. You really need to be able to kill it before or just as it's transforming (which means within one stagger bar), because then it just heals up and you're screwed. I've managed to kill two so far, but also died/restarted a couple of times before figuring this out.

[Psychotic]

Once he's in the second stage you basically need to go all out - and I am talking Tri-Disaster here - to get the stagger to stop that horrible Sunder attack.

[Shlup]

Yeah that guy is a nightmare. I could probably kill him before his second stage now, since you've said that's possible. I assumed it was triggered by low HP and unavoidable. I prefer attacking the little penguin things. The lion things are easy but they keep jumping out from the side of the screen and scaring me so I hate them.

[Loony BoB]

So long as you have a sentinel, you should be okay against the behemoth mark, at least. I hate having to use sentinels because it means changing my characters and resetting paradigms, but oh well.

I'm starting to think the main reason the rest of the game was so linear is more so that people didn't start getting sidetracked from the story and then giving up on it because there was too much to do (like a lot of people did in FFXII). I mean, if every map was expansive and we still had all those cutscenes then... man, I don't think I'd have got very far into this game at all. :p

[Psychotic]

I think the datalog is a good counter to that, though. If you forget anything that happened it's all there, and it also shows up whenever you load a game.

[Rye]

It is sooo hard to find Cie'eth stones!

[Loony BoB]

I think the datalog is a good counter to that, though. If you forget anything that happened it's all there, and it also shows up whenever you load a game.
That's true, but even if FFXII had that, I'd still probably be spending way too long in any one area to have it feel like a story is unfolding. The story took a massive backseat in that game when I was playing it, and I can't remember much of the story off the top of my head, nor did I get very close to finishing it.

Needs a happy middle ground, I guess! Shorter trips between areas, but bigger areas, maybe? I can't really think of exactly where I would have changed things, personally, without the game needing more grinding.

[Psychotic]

I 100% agree with that. Maybe just have a huge city or two (I still wish we could've explored all of Midgar :() and a Gran Pulse type area, and then the rest of the areas can be pretty linear.

[Dignified Pauper]

On those big turtle things, there are two types. The big guys with chains all over them, and then smaller ones. I can kill the small ones. Big ones are impossible.

[Psychotic]

Diggin' Oerba. Pretty damned atmospheric.

[Jings]

I like how Sazh totally hates Cactuar's. Oh and Gigantuar keeps killing me :(

[Shlup]

Diggin' Oerba. Pretty damned atmospheric.

I got there but went to do quests instead. Did you find little optional cutscenes on the way? I found two. Thought that was awesome, walking into a certain spot to trigger an optional cutscene.

[Psychotic]

Well I found an old friend of Vanille's with a silly name if that's what you mean.

[Shlup]

Nope! I must've missed that one myself.

When walking around Gran Pulse you have to be sure that, if you see an orange target on your mini-map, you step on it to trigger cutscenes. I found them to be super cute.

One was Hope and Vanille being cute and the other was a fal'Cie flying by.

[Psychotic]

Oh I saw those two. To find the thing I mentioned - and it's a nice little sidequest too! - just explore the houses in Oerba and you'll see the friend inside.

[Shlup]

Ah, okay, I haven't gone in yet.

[Psychotic]

Opening FMV of Chapter 12:

What the living smurf was that? "We'll teach YOU not to have a hoverbike race! Eat Eidolons, bitches!" did I miss something here? Why in the whole of hell did they randomly just start smurfing up a seemingly innocent race? I'm not complaining as it looked cool, but really, wtf.

[Raistlin]

So I just did the 7th mark for the second waystone and killing a bunch of baddies along the way. It's good fun. I figure doing marks is a good enough way to explore for now. I have absolutely no idea where the next Cie'th stone is, though.

[Croyles]

Man, Gran Pulse is kicking my ass at the moment. Did anyone have real trouble with Mark 7/The Undying? I died the first time and then for some reason I thought it would be a good idea to use a sentinel, which didnt really work because the marks most damaging attacks a AoE anyway, but didnt want to restart, which meant I literally spent like 20 minutes duking it out on the edge of my seat, nearly dying every couple of seconds lol.
I should have used some different Paradigms I think.

Its gonna take a long time for me to level up by the looks of it.

Im really enjoying the game so far, including the difficulty. My few gripes however are the before Pulse it really was extremely linear (even for a Final Fantasy, which might go as far as giving you the ILLUSION of non-linear gameplay)

Also, does every little trash mob have to take 2+ minutes? I know they wanted every fight to be tough, but then maybe they should have lowered the number of fights a little with better rewards or thrown in a few more quicker battles.

I wanted something to break up the sheer exhaustion of playing this game. Ultimately though, it feels really rewarding.

[Loony BoB]

I've found there have been quite a few quick battles. Did you 'dodge' many battles? I didn't, and I never really had trouble with finding a quick battle or two. It's nothing new, grinding, really. There are always hard battles to be had, though, which is possibly the difference - usually in FF's you can always level to the point that you'll be able to not think much and just battle lots of lesser enemies like crazy to get some items or something. This time around there are level caps, so to speak, which stop you from really being able to do that (although I found when I was capped it was easy to walk through a lot of battles).

[Shlup]

Mission 7 being Bituitus the Pillager... I thought he was easy. Uhh, Cie'th are weak against magic so go nuts with that. I just killed Geiserio too, which I highly recommend doing. Super fun. I was all nervous 'cause the game had a pretty big warning that it was going to be hard, but it was easy. Guess I killed more munchkins than I thought. :o

Some of the descriptions for these missions are lulz.

I've been planning to progress the game, but I can't pass up a mission when I see one. I've done 1-9 and 12. xP

[Jings]

I've finished all the missions that I can so far and moved onto the tower. Talk about DULL. I've really enjoyed chapter 11 so far but this is just boring.

[Dignified Pauper]

The tower is super boring. I hate all tower dungeons.

[Loony BoB]

I loved it, purely because of the ease of which you can get 8000CP for dispatching five or so robot things which are insanely easy to stagger and kill.

EDIT: Or should I say, I'm loving it, as I'm not yet finished.

[Raistlin]

Did anyone have real trouble with Mark 7/The Undying? I died the first time and then for some reason I thought it would be a good idea to use a sentinel, which didnt really work because the marks most damaging attacks a AoE anyway, but didnt want to restart, which meant I literally spent like 20 minutes duking it out on the edge of my seat, nearly dying every couple of seconds lol.
I should have used some different Paradigms I think.

Sounds like it, because I beat it on the first try.

I've done the first... 9 marks, I think. I should probably advance the game at some point, but I still have a bunch of exploring to do.

[Psychotic]

I loved it, purely because of the ease of which you can get 8000CP for dispatching five or so robot things which are insanely easy to stagger and kill.Yes! I ground the fuck out of those five guys. Got to level 4 with all my characters on all 3 of their main roles on them.

[Croyles]

Did anyone have real trouble with Mark 7/The Undying? I died the first time and then for some reason I thought it would be a good idea to use a sentinel, which didnt really work because the marks most damaging attacks a AoE anyway, but didnt want to restart, which meant I literally spent like 20 minutes duking it out on the edge of my seat, nearly dying every couple of seconds lol.
I should have used some different Paradigms I think.

Sounds like it, because I beat it on the first try.

I've done the first... 9 marks, I think. I should probably advance the game at some point, but I still have a bunch of exploring to do.

It was weak against magic so thats what I was spamming, but all of the elemental attacks are halved and I dont think I ever staggered him.
I didnt have any trouble with the other marks though.

[Psychotic]

Bartleby?

Oh Sazh. :love:

[Raistlin]

So I've explored close to 3/4 of the Expanse, mostly while doing Marks. I found a couple of treasure chests which I may never actually get, considering they were guarded by Giant Dinosaur Thing and the other by two behemoth kings. The latter may be beatable, but I engaged the Giant Dinosaur Thing and it stomped its foot and my party died (Lightning survived a few rounds while being in the air during her attack).

At the rate I'm playing (I didn't do much more than three marks today), I may never leave Gran Pulse. :p

[Loony BoB]

Finally onto chapter 12 today. Whee.

[Croyles]

Ok, im on Misson 10 still on Chapter 11. I got most of the Crystarium to level 4. Should I stay on gran pulse or continue the story? I heard that (and this is not a spoiler) after you beat the game that the crystarium is fully unlocked (to lvl 10) meaning its only possible then to do everything in grand pulse.

So I dont know what I should do.... Stay or go.

[Dignified Pauper]

it's unlocked to level 5

[Croyles]

it's unlocked to level 5

Ah right sorry.

Well I just got my first Chocobo, AWESOME!

I think I will now try to beat the game.

[Shlup]

I can't decide what to do! This is why I like linear!

[Dignified Pauper]

I can't decide what to do! This is why I like linear!

This is why I'll probably barely play the game again until I get an hd and want to run through the game to get the full effect. The missions aren't even that great since they all involve just killing marks. Sad :( overall. At least the characters and story were excellent.

[Loony BoB]

it's unlocked to level 5
Going by the guide (I finally got it!) it's unlocked to level 10. That's not role levels, though, that's crystarium levels. For the role levels, it is indeed five. Role levels have 'certain bonuses', from what I understand.

[Dignified Pauper]

They do? What are the role level bonuses? I have never seen a difference. I just thought they were annoying spots in the crystarium.

[Madame Adequate]

They do? What are the role level bonuses? I have never seen a difference. I just thought they were annoying spots in the crystarium.

This was also my understanding.

[Loony BoB]

I'll confirm exactly what they are when I get home, but it's generally stuff that involves multipliers of some kind for damage/defence/etc.

[Jings]

So that's me just finished chapter 11. I did about 29 Marks I think and hopefully I can go back and finish the rest off later. Barthandalus was much easier second time around, which was a little disappointing. Didn't even have to sit up.

Also, is it possible to fight Bismarck? And if so can it be done in chapter 11?

I think the intro movie to chapter 12 was pretty cool, I can't be sure though. Everything happened so fast I'm not entirely sure what was going on.

[Loony BoB]

An example of "Role Level" bonuses...

Commando
Role Level 1: Damage Boost (Self) is x2.0, Damage Boost (Allies) is x1.05
Role Level 2: Damage Boost (Self) is x2.1, Damage Boost (Allies) is x1.05
Role Level 3: Damage Boost (Self) is x2.2, Damage Boost (Allies) is x1.10
Role Level 4: Damage Boost (Self) is x2.3, Damage Boost (Allies) is x1.10
Role Level 5: Damage Boost (Self) is x2.5, Damage Boost (Allies) is x1.15

Hope that makes things a little clearer. If anyone wants to know the others, I can make a thread... just let me know.

[Raistlin]

I did not know that. Like others, I had just assumed they were annoying spots on the Crystarium that were the last ones I'd access.

So I finished exploring the entire Central Expanse... it's not quite as big as it first seemed. Or maybe I'm just used to it. I found chocobos and cactuars, which was cool. The chocobos are awesome. I was at first irritated that I'd have to explore the entire damn Expanse again to find the buried treasure, but stopped when a rather cursory search while going to and back from my next mark netted me something like 90k with just 2 items.

Cactuars are tough little buggers, but I think I'm going to CP farm them a bit. They don't take that much longer to beat than King Behemoths (and are much less irritating), are worth 5k CP (1k more than KBs), and a chance to get a 12k gil drop from them. Not too shabby.

[Chloe.]

I'm on Chapter 11 now and I have been exploring Gran Pulse for what seems like hours. It's almost too big, but I'm not gonna complain. :} I've done missions 1-5 and number 8, don't quite know where 6 and 7 went. :p It takes ages to get from one point to another in this place though and I have no idea when I'm gonna go on to the next point in the story.

Also, where are the Chocobos? I want one. :(

[Raistlin]

You have to do a certain mission to unlock them. Well, to be exact you have to do one to unlock the area and another to unlock the ability to ride chocobos.

[Chloe.]

Oh ok thanks, I thought maybe I'd missed them or something. :p

[Madame Adequate]

do you maybe want to not walk TOWARDS the Eidolon who spams area effect attacks?

[Loony BoB]

I hate it when they do that. Especially when there are bombs and everyone decides to huddle together.

Also: Finished chapter 12! End, here I come. :D

[Croyles]

Has anyone noticed that since Chapter 11 there are a lot of really low quality cutscenes??

[Shlup]

Like visual quality or content quality? I haven't come across anything I haven't liked yet.

[Croyles]

Like visual quality or content quality? I haven't come across anything I haven't liked yet.

Animation quality wise. Theres usually like 3 different styles of cutscenes: FMV, In-game engine with mocap and then weird jagged movement reminiscent of FFX... The last one only really started happening on Chapter 11.

[Shlup]

Eh, I haven't noticed. I'm not one to notice that crap though.

[Croyles]

It didnt bother me too much really, I just thought it was weird...

[Shlup]

So these purple wyyerns, Amphisbaenas, are easy as hell and give 3500CP a battle. Pretty sweet.

And I don't know if I spelled those right 'cause I can't read a damn thing on this TV.

[Croyles]

Incase anyone was wondering where the best place to level up is when you first get to 11: (no story spoilers)

Best thing to do is farm those clusters of 6 robot dudes in the Mahabra mines or whatever its called, then go back to the 2 robos and 3 bombs, going back and forth. They get you around 5000cp a battle in a couple of seconds if you do it right.

Its the first turn to the left off the beaten path, just dont go right to the end of that or it will trigger a really hard boss fight.

[Shlup]

No kidding "really hard." That bastard.

ETA: Fun fact~ Chocobo riding makes me motion sick. Uuuuugggghhhhh...

[Jings]

Chapter 12 had far too many Behemoths. They're my most disliked enemies.

[Loony BoB]

Seriously. They were annoying.

[Raistlin]

I have a question about the cactuars in chapter 11. So the first time I fought one (in that one semi-hidden place by the Giant Dinosaur breeding ground), I got a cactuar doll drop. I've fought a fair amount since then, even equipping the item that increases the chance of getting items, and have received none since. Was it only that one time you receive that, or is it just a fairly rare drop?

[Shlup]

I got one from the treasure bubble in that dinosaur area. I haven't fought any cactaurs though.

I WILL NEVER SELL YOU, CACTAUR DOLL, I <3 U!

[Raistlin]

I'm pretty sure I got one from battle the first time Sazh saw the cactuar. I didn't go there with a chocobo until later.

Why am I not surprised that you are randomly sentimental about pointless game items.

[Shlup]

STFU ME AND MY CACTAUR DOLL AND MOOGLE PUPPET ARE HAVING TEA.

I need to go back and find cactaurs; I totally did not see any. ;____;

I was too busy SCREAMING as I ran between dinosaur legs. OMG THEY'RE EVERYWHERE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU--!

[Psychotic]

I sold my Moogle puppet. I didn't want to but I was desperate for cash and it was either that or blowing Guardian Corps members :(

[Shlup]

How much money have you spent?! All my characters have weapons between level 17 and 29 and I still have 400k. xP

Well, except Snow. His weapon is level 1 and he has 800,000 unspent CP. Ehehehe

[Psychotic]

17 and 29? Haha that would explain it! I maxed them out, evolved them, then maxed them out again.

[Shlup]

My main four are all evolved but not maxed to the second evolution part.

Whatever though; the battles are already ridic easy as it is.

[Loony BoB]

The future ones won't be unless you do some pretty big spending, I'm finding.

[demondude]

Just beat Hecatoncheir. I don't know who to choose for my party! I always use Fang and Lightning, but I'm torn between Hope, Vanille and Sazh. Hope is really strong but he totally cramps my style with his lame-ness. Vanille doesn't seem to fit in very well yet battle wise, and her constant orgasms are driving me crazy. Sazh is generally quite weak but he is a good Synergist and he fills the gap in my party well, whilst being much cooler than Hope is. I will probably go with Sazh. Any suggestions?

[Loony BoB]

Depends if you want cool or if you want good tactics etc. :p

[demondude]

...

cool. :jess:

[Raistlin]

For cool, go with Sazh.

For tactics, I'd recommend Hope.

EDIT: actually, with Lightning and Fang, there are legitimate concerns with using Sazh because then Lightning will be your only healer without spending a ton of CP (Sazh is Com/Rav/Syn, right?). I also use Lightning and Fang, and I chose Hope so I could use him as a main healer (with Lightning as backup) and a Synergist.

[Jings]

I think you should go with Sazh. Like you said he's a good SYN and that was pretty much his role 90% of the time for me. He may be weak compared to Hope in the magic category but he has much higher health and if you're only using him as a SYN then his magic/strength weaknesses don't matter. That's just me though.

Edit: My party comprised of Light/Sazh/Vanille though.

[demondude]

For cool, go with Sazh.

For tactics, I'd recommend Hope.

EDIT: actually, with Lightning and Fang, there are legitimate concerns with using Sazh because then Lightning will be your only healer without spending a ton of CP (Sazh is Com/Rav/Syn, right?). I also use Lightning and Fang, and I chose Hope so I could use him as a main healer (with Lightning as backup) and a Synergist.

But Hope is so lame. There I was, looking all badass, and BAM! Hope whips his purple banana/boomerang out and half strafes, half skanks sideways looking like an injured chimpanzee. His comments are also boring when he walks around. :p I'll see how I go though.

[Shlup]

I pumped Sazh the hell up. I switch my team kind of a lot, but I just keep coming back to Lightning/Hope/Sazh. <3 <3 <3

[demondude]

So I decided to go with Lightning/Fang/Hope, but when I sidetracked to do some missions I thought I would give Vanille/Sazh/Snow a go. Turns out that those three together are actually really effective, so I've decided that I'll alternate between the two different parties. I think I'll use Light/fang/hope for story and the other three for missions. :excited:

[Raistlin]

So Oerba is really awesome. Great atmosphere, great music, great everything.

Oerba: Holy :bou::bou::bou::bou: does Vanille's pet robot give you a freaking mountain of gil. I maxed out stage 2 of Fang's and Hope's weapons with plenty leftover (I'm waiting for Lionheart for Lightning).

End Chapter 11 boss: So you've been given the "overplot" to the game in two conversations with this guy, and he just tells it to you. Is it just me, or is that lazy-ass writing? Not a terribly difficult fight, just lengthy as usual. Also, FINALLY a crystarium expansion. I had a few hundred thousand points to spend, and in one go got all the useful new abilities available. Also, WTF at that stupid Cie'th stone lying back down; I thought it was going to be a very convenient teleporter. :mad2:

Is there a way to get back to Pulse from Cocoon before endgame? I probably should go all the way back to Oerba's teleporter to do some more missions and stuff.

[Sephiroth]

Is there a way to get back to Pulse from Cocoon before endgame? I probably should go all the way back to Oerba's teleporter to do some more missions and stuff.

It is. Plus the broken Cie'th stone will reappear. It is the final mission against Venshingetrix, the 15 Million Hit Points Cie'th in the ruins of Yashas.

[Shlup]

I was going to save up a million CP on Snow for the lulz and now they've forced him into battle with almost that much unspent and fuck fuck fuck!

[Raistlin]

I was going to save up a million CP on Snow for the lulz and now they've forced him into battle with almost that much unspent and smurf smurf smurf!

Haha, yeah, my thoughts exactly. I went on just to see the next cutscene and got as far as that battle before restarting (I returned to the Central Expanse area to do more side stuff). Maybe if I grind some I can beat it with just Odin, else I may have to actually spend Snow's CP and level up his weapon. Which would be lame.

[Shlup]

Meh, you can beat him without leveling up Snow. I did first try easy. Zero point battle though. xD

I have switched my team to Lightning, Sazh, and Vanille now that Vanille has Stopaga as a Medic. Sweeeeet.

[Raistlin]

I use Lightning, Fang, and Hope, and I think all three of my characters have Stopaga... on three different roles. O_o

[Shlup]

Yeah all of my characters (except Snow) have it, but Vanille's the only one who has it on her main role. I miss Hope already though; damn porno Vanille.

[Loony BoB]

I was going to save up a million CP on Snow for the lulz and now they've forced him into battle with almost that much unspent and smurf smurf smurf!
You can't get 1,000,000 CP. Only 999,999. At that point, it stops counting and any further CP points gained from battles are lost for that member. Trust me. I know. :(

[Rinoabella]

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to complete everything at The Archylte Steppe during Chapter 11? I am at Taejin's Tower right now and am considering backtracking cos I want to do fun stuffs :)

[Raistlin]

It may be technically possible, but some stuff you're going to want more of the Crystarium unlocked before you dare to take on. There's a teleporter in Oerba, the last stop in chapter 11, which I used to get back to the Steppe because I didn't want to leave (more Crystarium unlocks at the end of chapter 11, too).

[Sephiroth]

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to complete everything at The Archylte Steppe during Chapter 11? I am at Taejin's Tower right now and am considering backtracking cos I want to do fun stuffs :)

No, you can't. And even if it would be possible - which is not - you would have problems with the Titan Trials.

[Shlup]

I was going to save up a million CP on Snow for the lulz and now they've forced him into battle with almost that much unspent and smurf smurf smurf!
You can't get 1,000,000 CP. Only 999,999. At that point, it stops counting and any further CP points gained from battles are lost for that member. Trust me. I know. :(

Oh don't worry I already both assumed and confirmed it. Snow is now a badass just like everyone else.

[Chloe.]

I finally got to ride some Chocobos earlier, was rather fun. :p I also did some more missions, and then went on to Chapter 12, I loved the scene at the beginning. I'm kinda sad that I'm nearing the end though. :(

[Crowseye]

You can do a lot of the stuff on Pulse before moving on to Chapter 12, but some of the Mark missions, especially for the Titan's Trials are probably beyond the characters' stats or patience of most players until later.

You can definitely 5-star at least 41 of the 64 Marks (1-26, 28-38, 40, 56-58) before leaving Chapter 11 though, as well as get all the milestone awards in the Chocobo digging game, and pick up all but maybe 2 or 3 treasure spheres (a couple are being guarded by some adamantoise-types I decided not to bother with).

[Rinoabella]

Thanks guys. I ended up getting quite a few of the treasure spheres and decided to just move on and finish the game so I can do fun stuffs :D

[Rinoabella]

Just beat Barthandelos at the end of Chapter 11. Took me two tries each lasting at least 20mins, was that not the most drawn-out battle ever? :cry:

[Raistlin]

So I finally advanced to chapter 12. I've a bit past the first boss. When you hit chapter 12, it's right back to obnoxiously linear. If only there was some sort of middle ground for the chapters other than 11 between "straight narrow path" and "huge expansive area."

[Terror of Zanarkand]

Just beat Barthandelos at the end of Chapter 11. Took me two tries each lasting at least 20mins, was that not the most drawn-out battle ever? :cry:

On my first time through i kept losing due to his insistance on casting doom. Cam back with Sazh in the team and he went down pretty fast. ^-^

[Crowseye]

My first attempt on Barth Part Deux went to 13 minutes before I killed him...determined to get a five star, I replaced Fang and Hope with Sazh and Vanille and did it in 7 minutes the third time.

Haste for the entire fight makes a world of difference, as does keeping debuffs up on Barth. Seems a Saboteur can be a good replacement for a Commando while you're building the Stagger bar.

Also, after buffs and debuffs are up you can try staying in a straight damage Paradigm until one or more of your characters are about to die, then switch to a two-Medic paradigm to heal back up super fast before going back on the offensive. Actually seemed more efficient to me than trying to have one character responsible for keeping the party up for much of the fight.

[Rinoabella]

Hmm I didn't think to use Sazh. I haven't been using him much, mostly just keeping him as a Super-Synergist, but then I have Hope to do that in my party already. The first time I fought him I ha been using Delta Attack - Mystic Tower - Combat Clinic (2 x Medics) which proved quite effective til he cast Doom. Then I just went crazy at him with Relentless Assault but didn't make it in time. The second time he didn't cast Doom :D I might try it again to improve my star rating! Is there any way to remove the Doom counter?

[Croyles]

Just beat Barthandelos at the end of Chapter 11. Took me two tries each lasting at least 20mins, was that not the most drawn-out battle ever? :cry:

This is not spoiling anything but theres a miniboss near the end which took me like 15 minutes....

Bart didnt really take me that long.

[Wolf Kanno]

So I'm finally in Gran Pulse and OMG if I may end up staying here forever. Its great to finally just have a moment to meander around at my own pace and do something slightly none plot related.

I've only done the first mission but will probably do more in a bit. I'm mostly leveling up right now so I can have an easier time with the Mark Hunts and amass money to finally upgrade all my characters weapons cause I've seriously been neglecting it for most of the game. I don't even have a weapon transformed to its second stage yet and I think my highest leveled weapon is 14. :(

My god is this Chapter a great breath of fresh air for once. I'm all sad that this is mostly a repeat of FFX when you get to the Calm Lands after walking that simple road for 30+ hours. Damn you SE for not making a more middle ground. :p

I've also begun playing with some of the Summons. I've decided that Odin kinda sucks, Bahamut is overpowered and Alexander is just god like with Hope. Still need to try Shiva and Byrnhilda.

My party is Hope, Fang and Lightning but I'm thinking of switching out Hope and Fang for Snow and Sahz. I might use Vanille but her battle cries were getting on my nerves in the previous chapter. I wonder if the script actually called for the character to make every noise that comes out of her mouth that isn't dialogue should sound like she's having an orgasm. I thought jail-bait Rikku was bad.

I'm probably going to be here for awhile...

[seiferalmasy2]

X had villages and explorable areas and towns. Luca, Besaid, kilika among them...it was certainly not 1 road or anything like XIII....

[Raistlin]

I might use Vanille but her battle cries were getting on my nerves in the previous chapter. I wonder if the script actually called for the character to make every noise that comes out of her mouth that isn't dialogue should sound like she's having an orgasm. I thought jail-bait Rikku was bad.

Cid from Bleys's LJ: "Vanille's moans are becoming a problem."

I thought the exact same thing. At first it was almost amusing in a "wtf were they thinking" kind of way, but it just got ridiculous.

[Loony BoB]

Query for anyone with a non-English version: Is it just as orgasmic with Vanille in other languages?

[Wolf Kanno]

X had villages and explorable areas and towns. Luca, Besaid, kilika among them...it was certainly not 1 road or anything like XIII....

They feel exactly the same in terms of design (not surprising since its mostly the same team) with the exceptions of towns, but towns were moot gestures in FFX, you never needed them and you basically wandered them until you talked to the right person to advance the story which is pretty much what happens in XIII. Course this is a debate for another thread. ;)


Query for anyone with a non-English version: Is it just as orgasmic with Vanille in other languages?

I'm curious now too but judging by her gestures in her summon... I figured it would be about the same. Using Vanille makes me feel dirty, its like using Rikku in well anything she's shown up in really. :D

[Rinoabella]

I might use Vanille but her battle cries were getting on my nerves in the previous chapter.
Haha I totally agree! That was the reason why I stopped using her. To me, she is the most interesting character, but her moans during battles is just annoying! I was hoping she would get over it after visiting Oerba, oh well.

[Wolf Kanno]

I think that's how she just is I'm afraid. If I played this game when my GF was around and she didn't see what I was doing she would probably accuse me of watching porn. :(

[Rinoabella]

LOL so true! Makes me feel uncomfortable :redface:

Question for those who have completed the game: After finishing, did you CP grind to get all your characters' Chrystariums maxed out in all roles? Should I do this now while at the end of Chapter 11? Or after completing the game?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

The Crystarium's last level only unlocks post-game. :/

[Rinoabella]

Ah, thanks! Will just go and complete the game then :)

[Wolf Kanno]

Oh yeah... I'm going to be here for awhile. Doing missions and simply exploring has just been a nice break from the game.

Anyone else notice that the cost of leveling the Roles that are not your characters primary are horribly expensive?

I really wish the game a had a better monetary system cause upgrading equipment is an act of god without money. I need those damn Cauctars to start dropping their loot cause Wolf Needs cash if he's going to upgrade everyone some new toys. :colbert:

[RedPouch]

I wonder if the script actually called for the character to make every noise that comes out of her mouth that isn't dialogue should sound like she's having an orgasm.
Oh, you thought it was orgasms huh? Strange. My brother and I decided that she was about to throw up.

[Raistlin]

It's definitely orgasms.


I really wish the game a had a better monetary system cause upgrading equipment is an act of god without money. I need those damn Cauctars to start dropping their loot cause Wolf Needs cash if he's going to upgrade everyone some new toys.

I have never gotten another cactuar doll to drop from a cactuar except for the very first battle. There's no real good place to grind for gil in chapter 11, but there is one completely random sidequest further on in the chapter which makes up for it.

[Crowseye]

If your characters are reasonably well-developed, you can farm Bituitis (Mark Mission 7 I believe) in the Archaeopolis part of the Massif zone for the Bomb Core x5 mission reward. They have a very good EXP value, and Bituitus might drop (rarely) the Tedradic Crown or (very rarely) Tiara, which can be sold or upgraded then dismantled for other good stuff, including Hermes Sandals/Sprint Shoes.

Bituitus is close to the C'ieth Stone, and once you accept the mission the first time you have no other enemies to deal with. The battle itself takes 30 seconds to no more than a minute for a good party.

Conceivably you could upgrade every item in your inventory, in its original form, to its max level before leaving Chapter 11 with very few money issues and maybe a long evening of farming. You will have a problem affording the catalysts for the more evolved forms though, at least until the sidequest I believe Raistlin was alluding to. Do as many Mark missions as you can, dig up stuff with a Chocobo, and open every treasure sphere you see -- that will get you some catalysts for a few of the weapons or good accessories until then.

[Wolf Kanno]

I'm mostly trying to do missions so I can find one that drops decent loot. If I had Vanille's death spell I could hunt the giant Adamantoises and get their drops but I have a feeling that won't happen anytime soon.

I'm just a bit disappointed cause I have barely used the Weapon system and have made it this far. I think the concept was neat but the execution is definetly lacking since you really do need either gil or enemies to start dropping more than 2 or 3 of their loot items per battle.

If I had know cash would be this hard to get, I would have stayed in Chapter 9 longer and farm the hell out of the soldiers til I maxed out gil or something. :(

Editga: I haven't sold any of my catalyst items (read the description and figured it would be safer to keep them), in fact I still have about 1 of every loot formed. Thanks for the tip on the Bomb Cores though. Now I just need an easy way to farm Barbed Tails or one of the other low tier loot that raises the XP Bonus.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I got a Cuactar Doll from a treasure, I have yet to get one from a battle. :/

[VeloZer0]

. Now I just need an easy way to farm Barbed Tails or one of the other low tier loot that raises the XP Bonus.
For less than 3,000 you can buy enough stuff to get up to a x3 multiplier. Not to mention just from running around fighting stuff I usually have a backpack full of random biological parts that I can stuff into an item for XP bonuses.

It is actually better to use items with low experience to raise the multiplier. Every time you level up an item the amount of XP an upgrade material will give decreases. So if it goes up a few levels when you are maxing out your exp multiplier you could be looking at 10% less exp from the main component dump.

[eestlinc]

I think Vanille sounds more like she is playing tennis than having sex.

[Rinoabella]

I'm mostly trying to do missions so I can find one that drops decent loot. If I had Vanille's death spell I could hunt the giant Adamantoises and get their drops but I have a feeling that won't happen anytime soon.

Did ya fix Vanille's little robot in Oerba? You can get quite a lot of gil from selling what you win ;) I know what you mean, I'm still in Chapter 11 cos I am riding Chocobos and farming CP around The Archylte Steppe. It's just nice to have a break of freedom!

[Wolf Kanno]

I haven't gone to Oerba yet, I'm trying to get all the primary roles to level 4 first. I was also hoping to actually max out the weapons or at least get them to tier 2 before moving on but that might not be happening...

[eestlinc]

is there any significance to getting 5 stars on missions? like do you get better prizes that are actually worth something? or is it just for pride or trophies?

[Wolf Kanno]

Its suppose to increase the chances of drops, especially rare drops. At least in theory. I tend to get more stuff from doing poorly in battles than when I got 5 stars. Go figure. :eep:

[Raistlin]

Its suppose to increase the chances of drops, especially rare drops. At least in theory. I tend to get more stuff from doing poorly in battles than when I got 5 stars. Go figure. :eep:

I think 0-stars increases your chances of getting shrouds (Aegisol, etc.). But you're better getting the specific rare drops from that monster if you get more stars. Higher stars also means more TP regeneration, if that matters.

[eestlinc]

other than libra and renew and an occasional summon, I never use techniques. I did not know sols drop more in 0 star battles. I like those things so maybe i will start getting more zero stars.

but is there a difference in the stars received for beating the mission, as opposed to the battle stars? so far I have finished the first four or five missions, and gotten 3 stars for each.

[Wolf Kanno]

I've been spending my days farming Mark Mission 7 for his bomb cores, I think I'll collect 100 of them and then sell all of them for the gil then farm another 100 for XP for my equipment and weapons. I've really been meaning to start maxing out my accessories. Its all great for XP for the Paradigms as well. :D

[Elpizo]

I haven't gone to Oerba yet, I'm trying to get all the primary roles to level 4 first. I was also hoping to actually max out the weapons or at least get them to tier 2 before moving on but that might not be happening...
Personally, the easiest way for quick CP was, IMHO, to ambush that Behemoth King near the save point where the two monsters are fighting (Behemoth King and another one). You get 4000 CP for a fight of 18 seconds or so, and you just have to walk a little bit away for it to respawn, so you can ambush it again, and again, and again. I farmed 200 000 CP like that in less than an hour. Of course, the loot drops aren't the greatest, but every coin has two sides.

[Raistlin]

It's 6600 CP (4k CP is just one Behemoth King), and it really is the best place to CP grind. It's in the Northern Highplain just after the save point and near a waystone, on the path you have to go to advance the story.

[Elpizo]

Yeah, but before the save-point, there's a lone Behemoth King. It's safer for lower-level parties to ambush that one instead of the two fighting beasties.

[Rinoabella]

Personally, the easiest way for quick CP was, IMHO, to ambush that Behemoth King near the save point where the two monsters are fighting (Behemoth King and another one). You get 4000 CP for a fight of 18 seconds or so, and you just have to walk a little bit away for it to respawn, so you can ambush it again, and again, and again. I farmed 200 000 CP like that in less than an hour. Of course, the loot drops aren't the greatest, but every coin has two sides.

You actually get 6600CP! I did this for a few hours! I wish I had a growth egg equipped as it would have doubled my CP, but 6600CP in 12 seconds is pretty darn good. The lone Behemoth I also farmed, but ended up sticking with the fighting duo down past the save point as you can pre-empt them without even trying.

[No.78]

The Behemoth on Wolf-thing action trick never really appealed to me... I kept running up but turning to soon to find they hadn't respawned yet, getting frustrated and then I take my anger out on the nearby chocobo. =\

Then again, it's a bit more exciting than spamming Death on a gargantuan tortoise-snail thing that fell down from the shock of a mechanical tentacle monster that just appeared out of a crystal pulled from some girl's thigh.

[Elpizo]

Am I explaining this wrong? My trick isn't about the Behemoth on Wolf-thing. Before those two, there is a save-point. And around that save-point, a lone Behemoth King wanders. It's that one I'm talking about. You can ambush him easily for 4000 CP, and he respawns after you walk out of view (takes about 5 seconds). That's quicker then the Behemoth-on-Wolf, and it's a safer battle. ;)

[No.78]

At my level of power HNNNGRF, they're just as fast as each other. So it's kinda like a volley of death.

[Raistlin]

The Behemoth on Wolf-thing action trick never really appealed to me... I kept running up but turning to soon to find they hadn't respawned yet, getting frustrated and then I take my anger out on the nearby chocobo. =\

You only have to run just beyond the save point. It's not far. :p

[Wolf Kanno]

CP is not really a problem I feel. I've been leveling pretty quickly compared to previous chapters and most of the fights have been very easy especially when you pre-empt. Course this inof is great if I plan to star raising levels in the secondary roles for my characters.

My main issue is just getting cash so I can finally upgrade all my weapons and accessories. I really feel XIII dropped the ball in terms of gil/loot and the Equipment Upgrade system. Its partially counter-intuitive and its only saving grace is that its not terribly important for most of the game which is kind of a bad way of making such a system in my book.

I still have a dozen Missions to go through as well cause I haven't unlocked the Chocobos yet so I've still only seen a small part of Gran Pulse so far. I also need to beat down that stupid "Sweeper" robot in the mine shaft on the way to Oerba. He kicked my ass when I first got here but I feel pretty confident I can take him down. I'm hoping I can grind enough to be able to take down at least the smallest of the Adamantoise monsters before leaving for Chapter 12.

[Sephiroth]

I'm hoping I can grind enough to be able to take down at least the smallest of the Adamantoise monsters before leaving for Chapter 12.

I don't want to spoiler but you really should train for this, then. You have to fight one of the weakest Adamantoise monsters in chapter 12. There are more of it but one is not optional.

[Raistlin]

My main issue is just getting cash so I can finally upgrade all my weapons and accessories. I really feel XIII dropped the ball in terms of gil/loot and the Equipment Upgrade system. Its partially counter-intuitive and its only saving grace is that its not terribly important for most of the game which is kind of a bad way of making such a system in my book.

I'd recommend to just wait until later in chapter 11; if you do everything you can on your way through the story, you'll have plenty of gil to star three weapons a second time. You can make it through chapter 11 with only tier-one starred weapons anyway (and I never bothered with accessories). However, I agree completely that the upgrade system was not very well utilized in the game.


I'm hoping I can grind enough to be able to take down at least the smallest of the Adamantoise monsters before leaving for Chapter 12.

Adamanchelids aren't too tough, so that's probably doable. You sound like you're grinding more than I did, though, and I breezed through the rest of the game. So be wary of that. :p

[Wolf Kanno]

I have a feeling I'm over doing it a bit in concern with leveling but I guess I'm just taking in all the freedom. I just got Vanille's summon... what a weak plot twist. :(

Really, nothing's been going well plotwise for me since Chapter 8 and I'm having a hard time justifying why I should continue moving forward. I started finally going towards Oerba but now I'm a bit hesitant cause I'm concerned that the game's story will sweep me up and then I won't be able to enjoy Pulse again until I beat the game.

In concerns of upgrading equipment, I've been maxing out my parties primary weapons but sadly I lack the transformation items needed to make them tier two (though I have done it with a few accessories) and lord knows I don't think I'm ready to grind for money needed to buy what may or may not be the transformations items featured in the shops.

I also hate Giant Cactuar... :cactuar:

[Raistlin]

I have a feeling I'm over doing it a bit in concern with leveling but I guess I'm just taking in all the freedom. I just got Vanille's summon... what a weak plot twist. :(

Really, nothing's been going well plotwise for me since Chapter 8 and I'm having a hard time justifying why I should continue moving forward. I started finally going towards Oerba but now I'm a bit hesitant cause I'm concerned that the game's story will sweep me up and then I won't be able to enjoy Pulse again until I beat the game.

You don't have to worry about that. The game does exposition and character building very well, but actual plot very poorly.

[Wolf Kanno]

You don't have to worry about that. The game does exposition and character building very well, but actual plot very poorly.


I've been noticing that. Its sad to watch a premise with such potential get bogged down with bad choices. I almost feel the game should have ended at Chapter 9 cause there is very little left of interest in terms of story seeing as how the writers chose to go the easy way out of the plot.

Been having fun updating weapons, maybe I'll max out all the weapons 1st forms.

[eestlinc]

I just got Vanille's summon... what a weak plot twist. :(
What plot twist?

I have a question about the beginning of chapter 12. Any reason (besides graphics) why the party busts up the race? Why couldn't they land somewhere else?

[Croyles]

I just got Vanille's summon... what a weak plot twist. :(
What plot twist?

I have a question about the beginning of chapter 12. Any reason (besides graphics) why the party busts up the race? Why couldn't they land somewhere else?

Because their not just terrorists, their ultimate party pooper terrorists! :zombie:

[VeloZer0]

I was really confused by that FMV. First thing we see is Snow going out of his way to save the guy then first ran off the road, then next thing I see is the party slaughtering the hell out of the rest of them.

[eestlinc]

It's as if stopping the race is part of their plan.

1. Go back to Cocoon
2. Stop the race
3. Stop the cavalry from killing Orphan

[VeloZer0]

I'm sure it was in the official guide, so it's ok that it makes no sense in game.

[Ashi]

Still early chapter 11 as well...kind of been grinding until I remembered that I play WoW too :redface: but that's another story.

Anyway. I'm missing a mission! I did 1 through 13 but apparently couldn't find 10 :( does anyone remember where it is?

[Sephiroth]

Still early chapter 11 as well...kind of been grinding until I remembered that I play WoW too :redface: but that's another story.

Anyway. I'm missing a mission! I did 1 through 13 but apparently couldn't find 10 :( does anyone remember where it is?

The Cie'th stone of mission 10 is close to the Cie'th stone of mission 1. There is a large rock where some flan monsters are. And there is the mission 10 Cie'th stone as well. The mission 10 monster itself is next to the fighting King Behemoth and Megistorium where the best training spot is.

[Ashi]

Thank you, I've got it :)

I feel bad fighting some of this wildlife as some seem to be just relaxing out there (those wolf like things) I feel like such a picnic crasher :lol:

[Wolf Kanno]

I just got Vanille's summon... what a weak plot twist. :(
What plot twist?

I have a question about the beginning of chapter 12. Any reason (besides graphics) why the party busts up the race? Why couldn't they land somewhere else?


Ignoring the fact Chapter 11 blows it's own first plot twist by having the Datalog tell you that Vanille was Ragnarok, despite never being stated in any of the cutscenes up until that point. The game then says that Fang was actually Ragnarok and Vanille was pretending to be the one who became Ragnarok to protect her, which doesn't really make much sense to me. Its not like Fang really gives a damn about Cocoon and of all the characters, is the most insistent and shows favor in completing there Focus (well until they realize the Fal'Cie R EVIL). So I don't see why she needs to protect her or anything from the truth.

[Croyles]

I just got Vanille's summon... what a weak plot twist. :(
What plot twist?

I have a question about the beginning of chapter 12. Any reason (besides graphics) why the party busts up the race? Why couldn't they land somewhere else?


Ignoring the fact Chapter 11 blows it's own first plot twist by having the Datalog tell you that Vanille was Ragnarok, despite never being stated in any of the cutscenes up until that point. The game then says that Fang was actually Ragnarok and Vanille was pretending to be the one who became Ragnarok to protect her, which doesn't really make much sense to me. Its not like Fang really gives a damn about Cocoon and of all the characters, is the most insistent and shows favor in completing there Focus (well until they realize the Fal'Cie R EVIL). So I don't see why she needs to protect her or anything from the truth.

Yes but Vanille does, which is the point.

As for that datalog thing. It must have been something the devs overlooked, silly people! :p

By your tone I guess your not having much fun? :(

[Wolf Kanno]

Chapter 9, 10, and what I've played of 11 has basically killed most of my interest in the plot at the moment. Its going to take one hell of a comeback to make the story good again.

To be honest, I've been having issues getting into this game from the start. Due to homework and work I haven't been able to get back to the game for awhile but what really bugs me is that I don't seem to mind that. :(

[Ashi]

Errr...I found a Cactuar while looking for mission 16...what do I do with it? :lol: sorry if it's a dumb question.

[Raistlin]

Errr...I found a Cactuar while looking for mission 16...what do I do with it? :lol:

Fight it. Defeating one unlocks... I think it's mission 54. You'll start seeing cactuars around the whole Steppe now, too.

[Rinoabella]

Is anyone feeling kinda bored after you finish the game, get the ultimate weapons and do a few of the Titans Trials? I wish there was more to fight and do after getting ultimate weapons! I want to get at least 2 fully upgraded weapons for each character, but then I realise there is not much else to do with them now...

[seiferalmasy2]

I am afraid a lot of RPG elements were stripped down to the core in this game.

[VeloZer0]

Chapter 9, 10, and what I've played of 11 has basically killed most of my interest in the plot at the moment. Its going to take one hell of a comeback to make the story good again.
"...To that end, he gives man hope. In truth, it is the most evil of evils because it prolongs man's torment."


Is anyone feeling kinda bored after you finish the game, get the ultimate weapons and do a few of the Titans Trials? I wish there was more to fight and do after getting ultimate weapons! I want to get at least 2 fully upgraded weapons for each character, but then I realise there is not much else to do with them now...
After I beat the game I kept loading it up, playing for 10-15 minutes and then realizing that, despite the fact that I wanted to keep playing the game, there wasn't anything I wanted to keep doing.

[Loony BoB]

Kelly, this thread is for chapters 11 & 12, not post-game. :smash:

[Del Murder]

I finally got to the Calm Lands or whatever it's called here. It's pretty cool to see that wide open plain to explore, and all the feral creatures running around. I did a couple missions but the rewards aren't that great so I just moved on with the story. I prefer games like FFXI where you have like 12 equipment slots and each one can boost different attributes. Just getting some accessory or a couple upgrade materials from these doesn't really pique my interest.

I also attacked some of the bigger enemies and won so that was pretty neat. :) No way I can beat that AT-AT walker thing though.

The story is obviously where the focus is so that's where my focus will stay. And it's still good. Nothing has changed with respect to the crappy NPCs but so far the main storyline and amazing visuals make up for it. I'll probably come back and do some of this stuff after I beat it but I can't see myself completing every aspect of this game like I did with the previous games.

[Raistlin]

I did a lot of the missions early in chapter 11 as just an excuse to explore the Archylte Steppe and the rest of Pulse more.

I agree that the equipment system is kind of oversimplified. I would've liked more variety, as well, which would have required more stats. The multiple accessory slots tries to make up for it, but I end up, with the exception of specific fights, for the most part just putting strength- or magic-increasing items in there anyway.

[Del Murder]

I really like the synthesized abilities when combining accessories/weapons and I wish there were more of them. Currently I put Axis Blade on Lightning along with the First Stike accessory to give her a 10% haste boost.

[Wolf Kanno]

I think one of the problems I've had with the upgrade system besides the counter-intuitive gil/loot system needed to level weapons; is that everything needs one of the transformations items to make it move to the next stage. These items themselves are rare to acquire in the game's story and horribly expensive in shops. It would have been nice if the transformation items were exclusive to the weapons (at least I would feel its justified) or to a few obviously overpowered accessories. Let everything else just level up naturally and evolve when it reaches its next step.

I also agree the equipment/stat system is terribly oversimplified and really restricts the player in making useful party setups with equips (something I feel it borrows from X-2 and Crisis Core). I sorta noticed this when dealing with Hope cause the only way to keep him alive in longer battles requires timing buffs and heals. There is very little means of protecting him from heavy hitters with equipment. All you can do is level up HP accessories and overload him with it but those slots should be better used for raising his magic. I'm not asking for him to have "armor of invincibility" or anything but at least some equips that can better help him counter tougher enemies. Some of these items do exist but then you run into having to deal with the upgrade system cause most of them are terrible when first acquired.

I feel XIII should have handled accessories like they are in Dissidia. Instead of just a handful of slots, give me ten by the endgame so I can make some more meaningful choices. You removed armor from the game, the least you can do is give me more accessories to play with to help me twink my party members.


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Anyway, I reached Oerba today... not what I was expecting. The wasteland part doesn't surprise me but how high tech it was does. Makes me seriously question Vanille and Fang's clothing choices.

The tower proceeding that place was tedious but at least I got a few decent items, the boss was a joke as well. I had a harder time dealing with the Centaur monster in the tower than the boss. I also question why the tower was really there, the game doesn't bother explaining its purpose and it has no past history anyone can remember... Kinda felt like a waste of time to me.

I actually made it all the way to the final boss of the chapter and now I have one minor spoiler question to ask those who have finished the game. Can Orphan only be taken out by a l'Cie and all other human efforts are a waste? Cause Dysley's whole speech in Oerba does not make any sense. If Cocoon is doomed due to the battle between the the Calvary and Sanctum and the Calvary are going to be manipulated by Orphan, why is Dysley telling your party all this? They achieved their goal of destroying Cocoon, why are they telling the party knowing fully well that they have the means of ruining the whole plan as l'Cie? Please for the love of god tell me that this is part of some nefarious plan you can't tell me cause it will ruin Chapter 12 and 13 cause if it is this straightforward then XIII has truly won the award for being the worst written entry in the series.

I don't need details, I just want to know that what Dysley says is a trap and their is unknown circumstantial evidence that makes it so the party has to be involved. Just a simple conformation is all I need cause I just about decided to stop playing this game last night cause of this revelation. I'm beginning to feel XIII would have been better off if it ended in Chapter 9.

[VeloZer0]

I don't need details, I just want to know that what (SPOILER) says is a trap and their is unknown circumstantial evidence that makes it so the party has to be involved. Just a simple conformation is all I need cause I just about decided to stop playing this game last night cause of this revelation. I'm beginning to feel XIII would have been better off if it ended in Chapter 9.
That is one of the few thing in the game that actually makes sense. And trust me, if you don't beat an FF title you will regret it forever. I quit on FF8 right when I found out you couldn't get into any of the cities on disk 4, and I really regret it. Because now when I am slamming the game I can't in good faith claim to have played the entire thing.


The wasteland part doesn't surprise me but how high tech it was does. Makes me seriously question Vanille and Fang's clothing choices.
I was totally thinking the same thing. Looks to me like they started with character models they liked, then went and designed the world independently. But then again characters first and fill in plot later to suit them seems to be the name of the game for this title.


The tower proceeding that place was tedious but at least I got a few decent items, the boss was a joke as well. I had a harder time dealing with the Centaur monster in the tower than the boss.
You spent dozens of hours leveling and the boss after becomes a cakewalk? Of all the legitimate gripes about the game, I don't feel this is one of them. It is true of any titles. Pacing of sidequests that encouraged you to do this... well that is another story. Though we can re-open the sidequests during/after game discussion after you are done. :)


I also question why the tower was really there, the game doesn't bother explaining its purpose and it has no past history anyone can remember... Kinda felt like a waste of time to me.
That totally pissed me off. I still had a small sliver of hope that the plot would somehow get interesting and involved. It's like battered wife syndrome.

[Wolf Kanno]

That is one of the few thing in the game that actually makes sense. And trust me, if you don't beat an FF title you will regret it forever. I quit on FF8 right when I found out you couldn't get into any of the cities on disk 4, and I really regret it. Because now when I am slamming the game I can't in good faith claim to have played the entire thing.

I plan on finishing it, I'm just probably going to rush through the rest at this point and get the ending. I'm just still blindly holding out for some miracle revelation that will make the game redeemable again. God I hope the ending is bittersweet.


I was totally thinking the same thing. Looks to me like they started with character models they liked, then went and designed the world independently. But then again characters first and fill in plot later to suit them seems to be the name of the game for this title.

It just really through me off. I was expecting something out of the Mesa Indians with a village built on the side of a cliff or something and down to nature. There designs definetly feel really out of place in the title.


You spent dozens of hours leveling and the boss after becomes a cakewalk? Of all the legitimate gripes about the game, I don't feel this is one of them. It is true of any titles. Pacing of sidequests that encouraged you to do this... well that is another story. Though we can re-open the sidequests during/after game discussion after you are done. :)

I wasn't actually complaining, just making an observation but I guess the tone of most of my post does feel like whining. :D

I really haven't been power-leveling that much and with the level cap I felt it would keep me from beating the crap out of everything so badly. I still don't even have a tier 2 weapon yet cause I can't be bothered to grind for the gil needed to purchase the transformation items. Even then, I've only maxed out maybe three tier 1 weapons and two of them belong to the same character.

I feel my problem with the boss and tower has more to do with my second observation below. ;)


That totally pissed me off. I still had a small sliver of hope that the plot would somehow get interesting and involved. It's like battered wife syndrome.

I just question why its there. I kinda felt like it was simply a dungeon created to make going to Oerba take longer. I wouldn't have minded if it had a bit of a back-story, especially considering the whole deal with the statues and puzzles in the place. I'm guessing the Statues will probably come back during another Mark Hunt since they seemed pretty tied to them. I just kinda felt we could have skipped over it. I sorta felt the same way when Bismark got introduced in the Springs, I thought I was going to battle him, especially considering the dialogue from Snow and Lightning. Yet, nothing actually happens.

[Flying Arrow]

Just finished chapter 11 - probably the only legitimately decent portion of the game so far. Some thoughts:

- I agree with the above two posters in that Taejin's Tower is flat-out pointless. What gets me really hard about this game is how certain elements clearly don't jive with others. Like, why can't Lightning jump over the bonfire blocking the objective when you're jumping all over the place anyway and doing flips? And why does activating the statues put out the fire? What? And what's with the statues cutting off Dahaka's tail? Is that their purpose? How come the mark hunts given by the statues require no effort whatsoever, with some spawning directly next to the statue itself? Did SE even try with this? It's so obviously slapped together that I think less of myself for being compelled to play through it. I've traded Star Ocean games back to stores for less than this. Star Ocean.

- The scene during the cavern interlude really got me. Team arrives out at a beautiful vista at about noon. Sazh suggests they just sleep here. Unnecessary FMV starts, showing Lightning and Snow at sunset and they talk about :bou::bou::bou::bou: we already know. Gameplay resumes - it's noon again. Did the team stay over night or what? Four years in development. What the smurf, SE. What the smurf.

- Oerba might be my favourite locale in the game so far. Really nice, although I totally assumed, like everyone here, that Vanille and Fang were real earthy types from a primitive culture. Still, really nice areas with great music and a great view. This is clearly supposed to be the Zanarkand arrival of XIII, but unfortunately unlike X, this game doesn't really earn the moment (X itself didn't earn very much, but the Zanarkand aspect of the story I always thought was very well done at least). Still a great area though.

- The story has lost me at this point. The datalog idea really hasn't panned out, and sometimes it seems as if the datalog is telling a different story than the cutscenes. The cutscenes make you think one thing, but the datalog suggests something else. The Ragnarok reveal that Wolf mentioned is the doozy, and the Eidolon battle with Fang just confuses the 'twist' more. Unforgivable. (I'm glad someone else has mentioned this, by the way, because for a while I was under the impression that I'd just zoned out and missed an important revelation)

- Barthandelus is the dullest villain ever. Is Cid's resurrection supposed to be shocking to the player? Why do I care about Cid? He had like three lines. He wins this spot in the plot by default because there are almost literally no other characters in this story. The 'twist' would have had the same impact had Hope's dad become president. Completely pointless and contrived.

-Mark hunts are fun. I loved them in XII too. Just a big fan repetition and busywork, I guess. Before moving on to ch. 12, I've completed 53% of the marks.

- Chapter 12's intro is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I've never experienced a game with such an imbalance between style and substance as this one.

Anyway. Hope I get to return to Pulse before the end of the game because Cocoon smurfing sucks. Can't wait to finish the thing entirely, actually. It should be illegal for SE to place a number after the words Final Fantasy.

[Croyles]

Whatever hater.

[Wolf Kanno]

Finished Chapter 11 finally after backtracking and unlocking some Chocobos for fun. Didn't bother fighting the Ochu that pops up in that one area... Restored Vanille's pet and finally got around to really using the upgrade system now that the game finally started giving me stuff like Platinum and Gold Ingots that can be sold for massive amounts of gil.

My main party of Snow, Lightning , and Hope all have level 2 tier weapons and I must say the largest drawback I've seen with leveling the starting weapons is the huge downgrade they get when transformed to level 2. I also got my main party a couple of Sprint Shoes on account of the crap load of Teatric Crowns (sp?) I got when I was farming Mark #7 and finally having enough gil to really play with the dismantle system.

I was going to backtrack and finish a few more Mark Hunts and maybe max out the three starting Roles for all my characters but decided that if I didn't move onto Chapter 12 now, I never would. So I'm starting Chapter 12 later tonight or tomorrow.

[Raistlin]

Wolf Kanno: it really is that straight-forward, more or less. Yes, the story is terribly written, and that is by far my biggest criticism of the game.

[Wolf Kanno]

I'm a sad Panda...:(

[Elpizo]

Wolf Kanno: it really is that straight-forward, more or less. Yes, the story is terribly written, and that is by far my biggest criticism of the game.
Nothing new for the series, then.

[Wolf Kanno]

^ I would disagree with that statement.

Anyway, just finished Chapter 12, the opening scene was definetly weird and didn't seem to really fit in story wise except to show off. I actually enjoyed Eden cause they brought back elements from the first Chapter where the background and dungeon are actually exploding and having fallen debris. Despite the utter chaos going on, I have to laugh at how terribly calm and lifeless the NPCs are in the dungeon. A little running would have been nice.

The big fun for this Chapter was having Vanille tossed into my party and me deciding to run with it. My new fave Paradigm shift is RAV/RAV/SAB with my party of Lightning, Snow, and Vanille. Regretfully, I had to drop her for Hope again when I fought ProdCloud since SAB doesn't work on him. That boss has seriously won my top choice for most challenging battle in the story. I'm also happy to finally get items I can sell for quick cash and have finally begun maxing out everyone's weapons and starting work on accessories. I really wish Auto-Haste wasn't a temporary effect though...

Storywise, it was pretty uneventful with the exception of Cid getting killed. Rosch goes out like so many other "I'm not evil, I just work for them" so it wasn't really that big of a shocker, Seeing Team NORA was not really exciting either and Dysely's "trap" is pretty damn simple with no real twists or turns. I'm trying to think of why the Calvary units get turned to Cieth when they could have easily done the job for Dysely to begin with. I think its official that the writers were cut from the budget halfway through writing the plot.

Anyway, I'll start Chapter 13 tomorrow and hopefully finish the game.

[Croyles]

I liked the story overall, which is usually the case for a Final Fantasy, but SE have always had a problem with the scenario writers ever since voice acting was introduced. The FF game that did scenario writing the best was IMO actually XII.

So its like, some of the individual scenarios are pretty cringe-worthy but I really liked the plot overall.

[Elpizo]

^ I would disagree with that statement.

I would not. You're not going to tell me that XIII is the first FF where the story wasn't written well (though I personally liked it enough to keep me playing).

- 1 barely had any story
- 2 was for most part a big fetch quest
- 3 was excellent ( :p )
- 4 was terrible in its plot relying on characters dying but surviving
- 5 was good for world 1 and 2, after that the story vanished until the final dungeon
- 6 dumped the story halfway through
- 7 ruined itself with the compilation
- 8 had the drag of disc 2 and 3
- 9 dragged along to seemingly nowhere in disc 2 (and it's one of my favourites)
- 10 was pretty consistent in its plot I suppose. Though I don't like 10 very much, it didn't have such long story drags as 8 and 9.
- 11 I haven't played, so no judgement
- 12 was very well written, but suffered from poor pacing

So, yeah... Unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning of "badly written". Which is possible, I guess.

[Croyles]

^ I would disagree with that statement.

I would not. You're not going to tell me that XIII is the first FF where the story wasn't written well (though I personally liked it enough to keep me playing).

- 1 barely had any story
- 2 was for most part a big fetch quest
- 3 was excellent ( :p )
- 4 was terrible in its plot relying on characters dying but surviving
- 5 was good for world 1 and 2, after that the story vanished until the final dungeon
- 6 dumped the story halfway through
- 7 ruined itself with the compilation
- 8 had the drag of disc 2 and 3
- 9 dragged along to seemingly nowhere in disc 2 (and it's one of my favourites)
- 10 was pretty consistent in its plot I suppose. Though I don't like 10 very much, it didn't have such long story drags as 8 and 9.
- 11 I haven't played, so no judgement
- 12 was very well written, but suffered from poor pacing

So, yeah... Unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning of "badly written". Which is possible, I guess.

Thats what ive always thought about FFs, that the actual scenarios themselves were pretty corny and bad, but once you think back about just the plot itself its starts becoming very good. At least thats how ive always felt about it. :)

Like a good Anime basically.

[seiferalmasy2]

VII didnt ruin itself with the compilation, you just ignore the spin offs. FF7 is 1 game and is as is.

[Croyles]

Selective memory at its best :)

[Wolf Kanno]

^ I would disagree with that statement.

I would not. You're not going to tell me that XIII is the first FF where the story wasn't written well (though I personally liked it enough to keep me playing).

- 1 barely had any story
- 2 was for most part a big fetch quest
- 3 was excellent ( :p )
- 4 was terrible in its plot relying on characters dying but surviving
- 5 was good for world 1 and 2, after that the story vanished until the final dungeon
- 6 dumped the story halfway through
- 7 ruined itself with the compilation
- 8 had the drag of disc 2 and 3
- 9 dragged along to seemingly nowhere in disc 2 (and it's one of my favourites)
- 10 was pretty consistent in its plot I suppose. Though I don't like 10 very much, it didn't have such long story drags as 8 and 9.
- 11 I haven't played, so no judgement
- 12 was very well written, but suffered from poor pacing

So, yeah... Unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning of "badly written". Which is possible, I guess.

I definetly disagree with half of your observations but story is subjective I guess. :p

While I would never say any of the FFs are perfect in their writing, some are definetly better than others in terms of the series. It would take too long for me to post about what my major problems with this plot and I definetly do not wish to derail this thread into a classic FFA is better than FFZ cause this is mostly about how you feel about this specific FF at this point. We can make new threads if we want to discuss where XIII falls in line with the rest of the series.

I still have one chapter to go and a friend of mine says I should expect a bit of a twist. Whether it will save the game for me or not will depend when we get there. Then again, X pulled a surprisingly good ending (if a bit melodramatic for my taste) after I pretty much hated and was bored with the rest of it.

[Croyles]

Ur right, we shouldn't derail this thread. This thread is actually only about chapters 11 and 12.

[Future Esthar]

Cid looks more important than what he actualy is.

Is it me or he looks a lot like the king guy on the versus FFXIII trailer?

[Mo-Nercy]

Is it me or he looks a lot like the king guy on the versus FFXIII trailer?
Do I smell a Cid = Noctis theory, FE? :D

[Fonzie]

Is it me or he looks a lot like the king guy on the versus FFXIII trailer?
Do I smell a Cid = Noctis theory, FE? :D

If you get him started, so help me God, I will choke the life out of you. xD

[Del Murder]

Unlike a lot of others I liked Taejin's Tower. It was one of the few areas of the game where the objective wasn't just 'walk straight until the next cutscene'. There was still a lot of that, but at least there were some varied elements. Reminded me a little of some of my favorite dungeons, the temples from FFX.

[Loony BoB]

Taejin's Tower was okay. Good for leveling, and I loved how the elevators made chime noises as they went up/down. :D

[Madame Adequate]

I seriously disliked Taejin's Tower more than anywhere else in the game so far. Though Jess was the one who played through Ch. 10 so... but nevertheless it was an awful place and I got out ASAP.

I finally got to chapter 12 and I assume they made a big scene because they wanted attention? I don't care much because it was awesome to watch.

[Future Esthar]

I was thinking about that but let´s not go too far and just stick to the similarities.
They must however be related.
I reached Orphan´s first form now and already have a lot of theories.
I will not post them here.
I can see a bazillion similarities to FF8 now.

This is not allways explicit but at least Lightning,Serah,Snow,Fang and Vanille are all orphans.
Even Hope can be considered half orphan(considering his father is alive which we don´t know).
The developers tell nothing about Sazh´s father.

I will give you the obvious similarities.

The unobvious ones would require theorizing.

L´Cie->SeeD + Rinoa
Orphan->Adel
Cocoon->Esthar
Cocoon´s shell->Adel´s tomb
Lindzau->Laguna?
Fang->Rinoa (not just physical).
Pulse->Centra?
Arks->Gardens
Polupolum->Balamb?
Bodum->Edea´s house
Serah->Ellone.
Fal´Cie->Sorceresses.
Oerba->Fishermans Horizon?
Anima->Edea?
Cid->Seifer?

[Mo-Nercy]

Is it me or he looks a lot like the king guy on the versus FFXIII trailer?
Do I smell a Cid = Noctis theory, FE? :D

If you get him started, so help me God, I will choke the life out of you. xD


I was thinking about that but let´s not go too far and just stick to the similarities.
They must however be related.
I reached Orphan´s first form now and already have a lot of theories.
I will not post them here.
I can see a bazillion similarities to FF8 now.... etc etc.
Omg. This is my fault. xD

[demondude]

spazzy mcgee at it again.

[Raistlin]

I didn't mind Taejin's Tower, gameplay-wise anyway (story-wise it was completely random, which is par for the course for this game). Chapter 10 was way more obnoxious, for story and gameplay.

[Garnie]

I just started Chapter 12 and I'm stuck on Prodcloud! OMG SQUEE!!
sorry had to get that outta my system.

I'm a tad disapointed with Chapter 11 TBH. I had no idea that I didn't do much of that chapter until i left.

also i killed a king behemoth yay!!

Any help on prodcloud would be cool ^_^

[Future Esthar]

If it´s the first ProdCloud pay attention:
DON´T STAGGER IT UNLESS YOU ARE TOO STRONG.
This battle should be easy if you just keep attacking with X.
But you have to be patient and have a medic of course.