(Post Game) Oh Great, Ridiculous Sidequests - spoilers everywhere

[Dignified Pauper]

So, I beat the game, wooo. This thread is for all post-game related info. I believe some of these bosses are ridiculously wicked, but I find the missions kind of mundane.

[Sephiroth]

I love the final battle and how it ends - so including the ending of Final Fantasy XIII as well.

You think the sidequests are riddiculus, so easy. But that depends on how you fight your enemies and on your equipment. With the Genji Glove and the "Highwind" technique of Fang you can easily deal 3 million damage points. Missions like 62 or 63 can be very hard if you just start the battle without any preparations. And of course for the "L'Cie Paragon" it is even harder to do some missions because you have to beat your mission monster with rank 5.

[Dignified Pauper]

I don't care about trophies, I will probably play this game for a few more days and then be done with it.

[Sephiroth]

I don't care about trophies, I will probably play this game for a few more days and then be done with it.

Who says I do care if you care about trophies? You have already told me three times now. You just say it is too easy/riddiculus and I tell you why it is not. Also you buy something and after one week you don't touch it anymore? Or will you play it again in a few months/years/whatever?

[Siegurd]

Well, the mark of a great game is how much controversy it stirs up in the fan base. Not entirely related, but I've just noticed lots of heated debate on FFXIII's awesome or fail factor on the internet.

Post-game is just there for anyone who isn't done with the world yet, which is an interesting twist on an old mechanic, leaving just about all the side-quests for only after the game is beaten that is. Obviously the hardest challenges of the game rest in this part of the game (it should go without saying that the initial onset of the sidequests post-13 is pretty easy, getting rank 5's can be annoying at times though).

Honestly, I'd play through the whole game again just for the cutscenes if my roommate wasn't already going to play through it.

[Dignified Pauper]

Yeah, whenever I someday upgrade to a large-screen TV, I will probably replay this game. I got to play all of chapter 13 on a 50" 1080P TV and it was AWESOME.

[Siegurd]

I played the whole game on 46" 1080p. We didn't have HDMI cables until last week, I bought the best HDMI cable possible within price range that didn't have too much excess speed transfer (since well, I don't know of any applications that fully maximize the transfer speed capabilities yet, ended up going with 10.2 gbps, can't remember the other important details, but suffice to say it was a cable capable of handling all that fancy stuff).

And jeez. All I can say is that the HDMI cables are awesome in a box. By far the best purchase I've made for entertainment (one roommate bought the TV, the other had the ps3, so I got the better end of the deal in terms of affordability / use quota here!). FFXIII played in maximum quality possible is amazing. You would be accurate in saying that I picked up the cables specifically for this game (actually I think I bought it 5 hours before I picked up the game at the midnight release).

[seiferalmasy2]

Well, the mark of a great game is how much controversy it stirs up in the fan base.

That isn't true at all. A mark of a great game is how well it is remembered years after the hype. How much there is to do when finishing the game. Its story, its sidequests, its minigames, its replayability, its battle system ...to name a few things.

All controversy in the fanbase proves is that this game has had some severe problems, and it isn't just the fanbase that have wrote negatively about it.

[Dignified Pauper]

Personally, I think, after analyzing the story of this game. There were a lot of open holes in the story. I don't think this was a game about story so much as it was a game about character and the development of that character.

When you kill the Pulse Fal'Cie, I didn't understand how that was possible. Barthandalus had said that Sanctum l'Cie could not harm Sanctum Fal'Cie; so then, how was the party of Pulse l'Cie able to kill the Pulse Fal'Cie in the tower... I dunno. I just think the story over-all didn't really make much sense. I just appreciated the development of the characters over time.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Barthy said that? I remember him saying that Sanctum fal'Cie couldn't destroy Sanctum because of their nature, which would lead one to believe they can't give their l'Cie a Focus of destroying Sanctum and by consequence Sanctum fal'Cie. However, I don't recall him every saying that about Pulse fal'Cie and their l'Cie.


From what I understand Sanctum fal'Cie cannot destroy Sanctum. It is simply against their nature. While they might want to destroy it, their nature is to preserve Sanctum. It would follow that their l'Cie cannot be given a Focus that would contradict their nature or if they did they would be insta-Cie'th. This is shown in Chapter 13 where most of the Calvary is turned into Cie'th We do not know much about Sanctum l'Cie because the only living one is Dahj and his Focus was to protect the Sanctum fal'Cie by tracking the Pulse l'Cie. This reinforces the very fact that they cannot destroy Sanctum.

Now Sanctum itself is composed of a bunch of fal'Cie who are arranged into a hierarchy with Eden on top. All these fal'Cie work in concert to sustain and protect Sanctum. So a threat to one is to threaten Sanctum which means you are attacking them all.

On the other hand, we have Pulse fal'Cie whose goal is natural landscaping, more or less. Each Pulse fal'Cie has his own area of governance (Atmos is underground digging, Bismark is water, etc...). Whereas the Sanctum fal'Cie work in harmony to sustain Sanctum, the Pulse fal'Cie do not have such a hierarchy and work independently from one another. Like their Sanctum counterparts, they are protective of their sphere of influence (such as Bismark's reaction to your presence) but they do not have the same interdependent relationship.

Due to the independent nature of Pulse fal'Cie, it is possible that their l'Cie could kill another fal'Cie. Whereas a Sanctum l'Cie attacking another Sanctum fal'Cie would be a threat to all of Sanctum, the same is not true for Pulse fal'Cie. I would also argue that a l'Cie could not kill their own fal'Cie. Anima was not destroyed by your party. Perhaps weakened by it still had enough power to turn the lot of you into l'Cie before it crashed down and made pretty crystals!

[docta fizz]

anybody have tips for mark mission 62/64 my last 2. 62 kicked me in the arse and called me a spoony bard, so I'm not even going to try 64 yet.

Most of the marks are pretty easy ( though gigantaur) was no joke.

I suggest you farm 63 (adamantoise sullya springs) for gold/ingots to get alot of nice gear/cp, or else the bosses are rediculous.

[Loony BoB]

No need to mark spoilers in this thread, folks - it's a post-game thread so all the plot should have been revealed to anyone reading it already!

I'm pretty sure TSoL is right in saying that fal'Cie can't damage Cocoon directly, while a pretty major point of what you get out of the major dialogue with Barty/Orphan is that humans have the power to do what they wish, which is something that fal'Cie (or at least Barty) crave. The power of fal'Cie is that they are, to some extent, immortal and insanely powerful (strength-wise). The power of humans is that they are capable of making whatever choice they wish regarding what they do with their life - the fal'Cie are tied to a specific role or purpose. With this in mind, the fal'Cie create l'Cie to do the things they are unable to do. Of course, humans being able to make choices means that the fal'Cie couldn't control them directly... they had to blackmail them into doing what they want by effectively saying "if you don't do it, I'll make you into a wandering monster."

[Ezme]

Do any of the side quests contribute anything to the plot? I know it's post game but in my funny little head the main purpose of sidequests is to find out those little gems, i.e. getting anima in FFX reveals a lot about seymours past/motivations etc

I will probs go run around gran pulse a little but the missions don't really appeal to me. I'm not a trophy hunting kinda person, although I was very please with myself that I got the superstar trophey without even trying! :p

[Sephiroth]

anybody have tips for mark mission 62/64 my last 2. 62 kicked me in the arse and called me a spoony bard, so I'm not even going to try 64 yet.

Most of the marks are pretty easy ( though gigantaur) was no joke.

I suggest you farm 63 (adamantoise sullya springs) for gold/ingots to get alot of nice gear/cp, or else the bosses are ridiculous.

The two Cie'th and the Adamantoise are more difficult than Venjingetrix. Venjingetrix has just 15 million Hit Points. For the two Cie'th you should equip weapons with the Lucky Stagger ability. And of course Fang with her ultimate weapon, the super move "Highwind" and the Genji Glove plus your strength + and defense - spells are just POWERFUL. With these things you can easily beat the Adamantoise for example for your gil and the Traphezodron item.

@Wonder: No, the missions do not have anything to do with the main story itself.

[Croyles]

No need to mark spoilers in this thread, folks - it's a post-game thread so all the plot should have been revealed to anyone reading it already!

I'm pretty sure TSoL is right in saying that fal'Cie can't damage Cocoon directly, while a pretty major point of what you get out of the major dialogue with Barty/Orphan is that humans have the power to do what they wish, which is something that fal'Cie (or at least Barty) crave. The power of fal'Cie is that they are, to some extent, immortal and insanely powerful (strength-wise). The power of humans is that they are capable of making whatever choice they wish regarding what they do with their life - the fal'Cie are tied to a specific role or purpose. With this in mind, the fal'Cie create l'Cie to do the things they are unable to do. Of course, humans being able to make choices means that the fal'Cie couldn't control them directly... they had to blackmail them into doing what they want by effectively saying "if you don't do it, I'll make you into a wandering monster."

Makes sense.
Definitely wasn't a perfect game, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. Heck i'm one of the few who actually liked FFXII, even though I do recognise its faults.

Onto the sidequests!

P.S There needed to be more Snow face punching in the second half of the game.

[Croyles]

Sorry for double post but new day you know.

Where should I level up? I havnt gotten the growth egg yet and cant even beat Neochu on the Titan Trials...

Any tips?

[docta fizz]

Two suggestions for quick leveling
1 - go back to mahabara and kill everything smaller than the phalanx (the big robot that drops smaller ones)
2 - Kill adamantoises
start of battle
sen-syn-med ->summon to knock him down, after haste is on all characters paradigm shift
sab-sen-med

using vanille as your main character cast death and pray the sucker dies (using malboro wand helps alot/it's upgraded from beladona wand)

note now would be a really good time to have collector's catalogs x3 on because you can make alot of gil this way

don't forget that your going to have to grind a few fights after each big guy fight to get your tp back to 3 so you can summon again. it helps if you have items on that bring tp up faster while grinding these fights out.

Don't forget neo-ochu is also succeptible to death

[Rad Bromance]

Is there any real point to doing the missions? Or is just so you can say you did? And are there any other sidequests at all?

I'm really hoping SE releases some DLC for FFXIII like they promised they would years ago.

[docta fizz]

no real point as I can see. Just some achievements and items. I'm hoping for some dlc but the last word out was that "this is the complete game and no dlc is required" they also mentioned something about cutting an entire games worth of material from the product.

My fingers are crossed but expectactions are low.

[Loony BoB]

Heh, just realised when the Adamantoise walk around, the goblins all stop and stare at them. =]

[VeloZer0]

I am suspecting at some point we get DLC where we get to kill the giant monster that walks arround in the background of Pulse eating Adamantoise.

I mean, why put a giant monster in a game if you can't kill it? That is just wrong.

[No.78]

I love all of the endgame but the weapon upgrading is ridiculous, the only element of this game I really hate.

I've finally got a Trapezohedron after saving up lots of Plat Ingots, now I'm trying to do the dismantle exploit to multiply it but that seems to be costing even more Gil...

fml


Is there any real point to doing the missions? Or is just so you can say you did? And are there any other sidequests at all?


What's the point in even playing the game? It's supposed to be fun, you know.

[Croyles]

Is there any real point to doing the missions? Or is just so you can say you did? And are there any other sidequests at all?


What's the point in even playing the game? It's supposed to be fun, you know.

Im guessing he's hoping for some mega bosses or something, which there aren't, although you get to kill the huge adamantoise. To be honest, you can ask the same question on killing the mega bosses like the Weapons etc, "Whats the point?", well the answer is fun and challenge. Not everyone will find it fun though.

[No.78]

I would class the strongest missions as mega bosses, I was kind of hoping we get to fight Titan though.

A DLC to enable that would be sweet, but from my previous luck with DLC the game companies never deliver.

[Croyles]

Yeah the first thing that popped into my head when I saw Titan was "man I hope he is a boss", but alas, no. :(

[Raistlin]

I've finally got a Trapezohedron after saving up lots of Plat Ingots, now I'm trying to do the dismantle exploit to multiply it but that seems to be costing even more Gil...

It cost me about 1.5 mil, though I made about 200k of that back with some of the extra stuff that came with dismantling. Definitely worth it, considering what a pain Traps are to get.

[Loony BoB]

3.5m for 3x Trapezohedron via purchase 1 and exploit to make 3 (ie, you buy one with 2m and you upgrade it using 1.5m)
6.0m for 3x Trapezohedron via purchase 3 only

So yeah, definitely cheaper.

[Raistlin]

Oh god, I wasn't even thinking about buying any! Yeah, that would be awful, and would probably be more work in the long run because that's just even more farming for gil.

[eestlinc]

I am not a fan of Zirnitra.

[Raistlin]

Nobody is. And there's four missions with it as the Mark.

[Croyles]

Nobody is. And there's four missions with it as the Mark.

Didnt find that one so annoying. I DO however HATE Attacus. It took me 6 tries to figure out a good tactic.

[Raistlin]

You should share it in the Missions thread (http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-xiii-site-content-project/130774-missions.html)! I haven't tried to tackle him yet.

[docta fizz]

Attacus took me 2 tries, I think zirnitra took me 3 and that's just because I stopped trying and got better gear on everyone before I went for a round 2. I guess I saved all the hard ones till after I leveled a bunch (though grand cactaur beat around 9 times... I'm not proud of that)

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, Gigantuar was a bitch.

[Raistlin]

Taking on Gigantuar was the first time I was really frustrated with the AI. WHY ARE YOU CASTING ESUNA WHEN SNOW HAS LIKE 10 HP LEFT???!! *kills everyone*

[No.78]

Attacus was easy just took ages, and his stagger bar is like parallel to his HP so the whole fight was a giant cock-tease. Zirnitra is easy if you surprise it.

I was a bit O___O against Virgintereryx (or whatever it's called), it always recovers it's stagger bar after you stagger it and halfway through the fight it gets really powerful and grapes everyone! =( I've nearly maxxed the Crystarium, so I'll try it again after that.

I'm also having trouble with the two Cie'th in Arcylte, the barriery ones. I think I need to make loads of magic resist accessories to stand a chance, although I did nearly kill one of the two. I hate that you can't Deceptisol them!

Gigantuar is a bit of a bitch, and yeah, the AI is stupid. It wouldn't be so bad if it's needles weren't filled with many status ailments. D: Slow makes me cry.

Then after that, it just leaves Long Gui. I will laugh if you can kill it through Death spam...

[docta fizz]

Attacus was easy just took ages, and his stagger bar is like parallel to his HP so the whole fight was a giant cock-tease. Zirnitra is easy if you surprise it.

I was a bit O___O against Virgintereryx (or whatever it's called), it always recovers it's stagger bar after you stagger it and halfway through the fight it gets really powerful and grapes everyone! =( I've nearly maxxed the Crystarium, so I'll try it again after that.

I'm also having trouble with the two Cie'th in Arcylte, the barriery ones. I think I need to make loads of magic resist accessories to stand a chance, although I did nearly kill one of the two. I hate that you can't Deceptisol them!

Gigantuar is a bit of a bitch

Then after that, it just leaves Long Gui. I will laugh if you can kill it through Death spam...
Don't remember how i Kill ed Gigantaur, makes me wonder, I know you always need a sentinel active

I think you can death-spam a long gui but he can still be a son of a gun if your not paying attention, he does drop traps like nobodies bussiness. I now have 3 but for the life of me can't get enough platimums to upgrade what I've already got

verc isn't hard to beat, you just have to debuff all the time, and "turtle up" when the time is right

Don't remember how I beat the rak's either... haha, hope you haven't wasted any money on dark matter because shaolong gui's drop them almost 1/3 time fighting them (with 2 con catalogs)

[demondude]

Just completed the game ... wow. Pretty amazing.

[No.78]

Don't remember how I beat the rak's either... haha, hope you haven't wasted any money on dark matter because shaolong gui's drop them almost 1/3 time fighting them (with 2 con catalogs)

Oh? I need Dark Matter for Sazh! How do I make all them Xiao Long Gui's appear? ^.^


Just completed the game ... wow. Pretty amazing.

YAY, finally a good reaction to the ending. I am relieved.

[Loony BoB]

Trust me, you don't want them to appear until you've maxed out the Crystarium and at least three weapons. I'd done the former but not all of the latter, and I died very, very, very quickly against them despite being able to take down Adamantoise (without Death/Summons). Gui are just... badass.

[Raistlin]

From what I've heard, even a well-executed strategy against Long Guis with a maxed-out team (weapons and Crystarium) can take upwards of 10 minutes.

[Loony BoB]

Less than 9:30, it seems, after watching a YouTube video of a five star victory. But yeah, definitely max out.

[docta fizz]

Five and a half but I summon once and need to rebuild tp after each fight, that's if all goes well, should someone die it shoots up to 8-9 but haven't had too much problem with that

Though sometimes the shaolong gui's still kill me with roar-quake combo, I guess I only beat them 60/40

[Raistlin]

I just set a new personal record with 5 Adamantoises/tortoises in a row with no drops (with two starred catalogs equipped). Although I'm taking them down without summons at a good clip (Fang + 3 starred power gloves + Genji Glove = monster), so all's not terrible.

I had one not-quite-amusing thing happen, though. I just Highwinded the thing's last leg, and immediately after -- but before it fell -- it lifted the leg and stomped it, causing damage. Then it fell on top of Lightning and killed her. W.t.f.

I am a about 2/3 of the way done mastering everyone's 5th role. At this rate I'll be ready to take on the Long Guis... well, probably never.

[Sephiroth]

I am a about 2/3 of the way done mastering everyone's 5th role. At this rate I'll be ready to take on the Long Guis... well, probably never.

You could easily master it using the Growth Egg and the training spot of Archylte.


How do I make all them Xiao Long Gui's appear? ^.^



Clear mission 56-62 and re-enter Archylte.

[Loony BoB]

Five and a half but I summon once and need to rebuild tp after each fight, that's if all goes well, should someone die it shoots up to 8-9 but haven't had too much problem with that

Though sometimes the shaolong gui's still kill me with roar-quake combo, I guess I only beat them 60/40
When you say five and a half minutes, do you mean the Long Gui or the Shaolong Gui? Because five and a half minutes sounds pretty incredible when you consider a nine and a half minute battle will give you five stars!

[docta fizz]

It's Pretty nice, isn't it :D I can prove it if ya don't believe me heh heh, it takes 2-2:30 for the shao's :D I have alot of kaisers and genji on fang/light, that leaves hope/van to hold the catalogs/rainbow anklet.

[Loony BoB]

No proof needed, I was just checking to make sure it's possible. That's good news, too, as that means I should hopefully not have too much trouble later on. Although having said that, by the time I get to that end of things I'll probably not have much else left to do, I'm saving them until after I've leveled up and got all the cash I need for accessories etc... should make things faster overall, I hope. Although I'll probably end up taking my time anyway, knowing me. xD

[Raistlin]

You could easily master it using the Growth Egg and the training spot of Archylte.

Oh, I'm not saying it'll be particularly difficult to master everyone's roles, as I do have the Growth Egg. I was making a facetious comments about the Guis being intimidatingly strong.