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Rye
03-19-2010, 08:00 PM
I'm convinced about Vanille and Fang. It's so cute and I love it. Fang is so sweet and comforting to her. What do you think? Leezbin lovers or no?
Psychotic
03-19-2010, 08:03 PM
Boob grab = lesbians.
Goldenboko
03-19-2010, 08:07 PM
Boob grab = lesbians.

Yeah, the moment Vanille grabbed Fang's tit when they where reunited on the Palamecia I was like, "Oh, I see how it is. Sorry Hope, you're :bou::bou::bou::bou: out of luck.".
demondude
03-19-2010, 08:09 PM
Why do I miss all these details! :mad2:
Jings
03-19-2010, 08:17 PM
I get a big sis/little sis vibe from them.
Moon Rabbits
03-19-2010, 08:36 PM
I'm not far enough to have seen supposed boob grab, BUT I totally got the lezzy vibe after Fang joins the party and there is the flashback to the Euride Plant.
Croyles
03-19-2010, 08:42 PM
Yeah I was kina thinking this too. Seems to be pretty cool. Would be a first for FF.
Sephiroth
03-19-2010, 09:28 PM
Why do I miss all these details! :mad2:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5580/ffxiii36.jpg
demondude
03-19-2010, 09:29 PM
she's loving it.
Psychotic
03-19-2010, 09:56 PM
Snow's loving it.
Sephiroth
03-19-2010, 10:05 PM
she's loving it.


Snow's loving it.

I'm loving it.
Goldenboko
03-19-2010, 11:21 PM
she's loving it.


Snow's loving it.

I'm loving it.

Ba da ba ba bah!
Madame Adequate
03-20-2010, 01:22 AM
Later, Vanille buries her face in it.
Loony BoB
03-20-2010, 01:49 AM
Pah, if that's a sign a girl is a lesbian, pretty much every girl I've met is one.

Definitely big sis/little sis vibe.
Goldenboko
03-20-2010, 01:51 AM
Pah, if that's a sign a girl is a lesbian, pretty much every girl I've met is one.

Definitely big sis/little sis vibe.

Every girl you've ever met grabs other woman's tits? Where did you live?
Loony BoB
03-20-2010, 01:52 AM
Edinburgh. Not that it matters, it's the same the world over to my knowledge.

Alright, hands up all the girls here who have felt up another girl's boobs at any point.
Raistlin
03-20-2010, 02:32 AM
Definitely big sis/little sis vibe.

I agree. Outside of the boob-grab, I haven't seen anything to suggest anything other than a close familial relationship.
Ontibile
03-20-2010, 04:24 AM
I get a big sis/little sis vibe from them.
I agree.

I'm a girl. I face-plant into my sis's (Onee-chan) boobs all the time when I'm crying. And no, we don't have an incestuous relationship.
It's the female equivalent of taking your best friend out drinking when they're feeling down.
Shlup
03-20-2010, 07:10 AM
Why do I miss all these details! :mad2:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5580/ffxiii36.jpg

Okay now I owe you a cookie.

BOOB GRAB!

Yeah they are totally the OTP of FFXIII.
Elpizo
03-20-2010, 12:06 PM
Boob grab = lesbians.

Yeah, the moment Vanille grabbed Fang's tit when they where reunited on the Palamecia I was like, "Oh, I see how it is. Sorry Hope, you're :bou::bou::bou::bou: out of luck.".

Hope has Lightning. ;)
Madame Adequate
03-20-2010, 01:50 PM
STOP THE PRESSES

is Vanille's lover. Have you seen how she has a massive orgasm every time you use his ultimate thingy?
Moon Rabbits
03-20-2010, 04:58 PM
STOP THE PRESSES

is Vanille's lover. Have you seen how she has a massive orgasm every time you use his ultimate thingy?

Also, maybe Vanille is not a lesbian. I mean look at all the guns on that thing. It's just so ... phallic.
demondude
03-21-2010, 12:21 AM
When Fang raised her fist at Vanille after vanille's eidolon fight I was expecting some fisting. I was very disappointing.
Mirage
03-21-2010, 02:32 AM
And I jizzed
in
my pants
G13
03-21-2010, 10:37 PM
Looks like Fang is looking at Vanille's hand rather confusedly. If they're lesbians its news to her. :p
Lightening
03-22-2010, 04:08 AM
It's only natural to grab someone's breast if you haven't seen them in hundreds of years. Hugging just doesn't cut it.
The Summoner of Leviathan
03-22-2010, 04:21 AM
Hmm, I could see it but at the same time I totally get the big sis-little sis vibe. I wonder why both of them were picked though, why not just choose one of them or more?

Also, Hope is totally gay. Did you see that scarf he was wearing? Also the way he teased Vanilla in one of those mini-scenes on Gran Pulse. He's totally gonna grow up and be gay.
Shlup
03-22-2010, 04:38 AM
Snow and Sahz are totally the only heteros in this game.
The Summoner of Leviathan
03-22-2010, 06:23 AM
Snow and Sahz are totally the only heteros in this game.

What about Lightening? I'm inclined to say she's asexual, I don't see her as a lesbian, at least not with any of the other characters so far.
Shlup
03-22-2010, 06:31 AM
She was clearly into Fang until she realized she and Vanille are a thing. Jeez, pay more attention.
Laddy
03-22-2010, 10:41 AM
LightningxFrocobo?
VeloZer0
03-22-2010, 04:50 PM
I sincerely hope that SE doesn't ruin this by handing down an officially verdict. Though I personally couldn't care less it is nice to see a game that has something controversial that could be debated for years.

(I mean if they are lesbians is controversial, not that they could be)
finaloblivion
03-29-2010, 06:50 AM
i mean, fang does say they're partners...i mean this could mean several things, but i was under the impression that they're intimate. together. in bed. big sis/lil sis is definitely a possibility, but they just act more like lovers. they way they speak about each other, how sazh is asking Vanille if she has some one special and she says "no....(but i was lying...)" i mean i got close friends, but i don't refer to them as my special somebody.
finaloblivion
03-29-2010, 06:51 AM
LightningxFrocobo?

yes....its all very clear. but the frocobo likes the nautilus sheep.
Wolf Kanno
03-29-2010, 08:08 AM
You are all just wishful thinking. :p
NeoCracker
03-29-2010, 08:25 AM
You are all just wishful thinking. :p

Conveniently I don't really like Fang, so I"m not wishful in the slightest. ;)

Now a little big strong white man on scrawny black man action I could go for....
Wolf Kanno
03-29-2010, 08:41 AM
You got that with Kiros and Ward in VIII. :p
NeoCracker
03-29-2010, 08:48 AM
You got that with Kiros and Ward in VIII. :p

Now lets try it with likable characters.
Rodney
03-29-2010, 10:22 AM
I think they're lovers. Definitely. At least in the Japanese version, since the Japs aren't afraid to "go there."

But in the English and European versions? Probably just a big sister/little sister thing.
Loony BoB
03-29-2010, 11:58 AM
How can you not like Kiros and Ward!? Especially Ward. He's awesome.

How different is what they say in the Japanese version? And if they are lovers, why would Square hide it so well? Because really all they do is hug. People made a massive deal out of one touching of boob in a dramatic reunion and the rest? Eh, nothing much. Partners can mean anything, so I'd again be interested in what they said in the Japenese version. But yeah, back to it: If Japs aren't afriad to "go there", why do they not kiss or mentoin the word 'love' amongst each other or, you know, say anything that lovers would say to each other? If you look at all the relationships that have existed in FF games, they've always been incredibly obvious. I have no idea why, if Japanese are so unafraid to "go there", they would make it so incredibly unobvious that they are lovers.

I agree with WK that people are just having wishful thinking. If not wishful, they're certainly looking at a couple of tidbits of interaction.

I'm yet to see the evidence that points towards them being lovers rather than family or even just "like family".

EDIT: Further spoilers for those who haven't reached Oerba.
It should also be noted that they lived in a completely different culture to those who lived in Cocoon. I would compare Cocoon to the larger cities of Japan, Europe and America. Oerba seems like a much smaller locale, and they mention that they live differently - everyone is part of one big family who don't have dedicated housing etc. With this in mind, I think it would be a little more similar to religious communities, partially developed African towns (and I'm not talking the starving types in Ethiopia... probably closer to Kenyan, although that's a guess based on my limited African information). I think these communities can be incredibly tight-knit. They may have grown up together and even if not sisters would be very, very close to each other - without the need to be lovers in order to demand that kind of closeness.

Not only that - they are the only people out of their community/family left alive. Now, I don't know about you, but if there was a large group I'd lived with all my life and then suddenly you find yourselves the only ones left alive... I'd hold onto them as close as I could. For Vanille and Fang, fellow l'Cie excepted, they are all each other have left in the world.
Moon Rabbits
03-29-2010, 05:09 PM
She was clearly into Fang until she realized she and Vanille are a thing. Jeez, pay more attention.

Actually, before the whole VanillexFang reunion and Fang and Lightening met each other I was totes like "omgz lessers?"
The Summoner of Leviathan
03-29-2010, 05:43 PM
But yeah, back to it: If Japs aren't afriad to "go there", why do they not kiss or mentoin the word 'love' amongst each other or, you know, say anything that lovers would say to each other? If you look at all the relationships that have existed in FF games, they've always been incredibly obvious. I have no idea why, if Japanese are so unafraid to "go there", they would make it so incredibly unobvious that they are lovers.


Just to point out the fact here, but Japanese society is not the most welcoming towards homosexuality. Heck, with the exception of Tokyo, most places can, without legal repercussions, discriminate against you for being homosexual. So yeah, they are not really one of the most forward going nations when it comes to gay rights. It has never been as big of an issue there as it has been in North America and Europe.

If you take mainstream examples in anime (note, I am excluding works that explicitly homosexual such as yuri and yaoi since they are not mainstream), they never explicitly say "I love you" even when it is a well known gay relationship. Touya and Yukito from Card Captors? We all know they have a thing for each other but all they say is that the other is their "number one person" or something to the effect. Same series, Tomoyo is totally lesbo for Sakura, but she never comes right out and says it, let alone "I love you." Same thing goes for Sailor Moon's resident lesbians: Michiru and Haruka. Oh, you can tell that they are into each other but they never say "I love you".

Gay characters outside the yuri and yaoi genre are rare finds and often are implicit not explicit. :/

So to say that in a Japanese game they would come right out and say it is not true. They would never say it outright. They would come close to it but never be explicit. :/
Moon Rabbits
03-29-2010, 07:35 PM
Yeah, I was confused why everyone is all "omgz the Japanese put the gays in everything."

Do Michiru and Haruka ever even kiss? I don't think so.
Loony BoB
03-29-2010, 08:49 PM
I've just finished reading the translation of the short story surrounding Vanille & Fang. It's pretty neat, actually, I suggest you guys check it out (http://dilly-shilly.blogspot.com/2009/10/final-fantasy-xiii-episode-zero.html). There are others for Sazh/Dajh and Lightning/Snow there, too.

I was swayed slightly towards the idea that they might be lovers when I read this bit
They had promised so long ago. They would be alright as long as they were together. They would never be parted. It was a promise she never wished to break.

But then I read this and felt myself pushed further away from the idea.
Just like when they were children, together against a world of enemies. So long as they were together, they could stay alive. So long as the were together, it didn’t matter where they ran...

So in the end I'm sticking with the "been friends since they were little kids and are effectively (if not actually) family, and have a closer bond than most."

I seriously suggest reading those short stories if you've finished the game. The Vanille/Fang one shows you just how different the cultures are in the two worlds, far more than I thought. I'll probably read the other two tomorrow or something.
eestlinc
03-30-2010, 03:38 AM
I get the "partners for survival" vibe from them, as BoB suggests from the story quotes.
Rad Bromance
03-30-2010, 04:07 AM
Yeah the big/little sis thing is what I got.

Although if you've watched enough anime that can just as well mean lesbian love.
Snope
03-30-2010, 03:17 PM
Hmm, I could see it but at the same time I totally get the big sis-little sis vibe. I wonder why both of them were picked though, why not just choose one of them or more?

Also, Hope is totally gay. Did you see that scarf he was wearing? Also the way he teased Vanilla in one of those mini-scenes on Gran Pulse. He's totally gonna grow up and be gay.


And? what if he is.

He has good taste in men atleast*hint hint* snow XD
Sword
03-31-2010, 04:08 AM
You're all idiots. They're like sisters. They've been frozen in crystal for hundreds of years so they have to stay close and look out for each other.
The Summoner of Leviathan
03-31-2010, 06:38 AM
Hmm, I could see it but at the same time I totally get the big sis-little sis vibe. I wonder why both of them were picked though, why not just choose one of them or more?

Also, Hope is totally gay. Did you see that scarf he was wearing? Also the way he teased Vanilla in one of those mini-scenes on Gran Pulse. He's totally gonna grow up and be gay.


And? what if he is.

He has good taste in men atleast*hint hint* snow XD

Oh, I have no problem with it, afterall, I am gay too. :p
Cloudane
04-06-2010, 12:11 AM
That was the vibe I got through most of the game as well, although later on it seems to suggest (like, one of them actually says) that they're family. I know all of Oerba considers each other 'family' so probably not literally, but I think it'd be kind of weird after one of them has actually called the other that.

Difficult call really. Fairly bold move if they were, just not quite made obvious enough either way.
finaloblivion
04-06-2010, 02:39 AM
ive switched to big sis/lil sis. after the scene where you fight vanille's eidolon and fang play punches (....) her in the head, im fairly convinced of the very close friends that were sent out on a focus and frozen in crystal for hundreds of years together. you'd prolly be pretty close w anyone after that. i still like to think of em as lovers for funsies every now and then tho :D
Rodney
04-08-2010, 05:31 PM
"I'd tear the sky down to find her" sounds pretty lover-like to me, though.
Loony BoB
04-08-2010, 09:20 PM
Would you do that for your family? Reckon a lot of family-types would say that about each other in such circumstances, especially if they're anything like Fang. :p
No.78
04-10-2010, 11:25 AM
I always thought it was quite obvious Fang and Vanille were related. I always thought they were cousins or sisters, or something. Is that just me being excruciatingly naiive?
Tokimadoushi
04-12-2010, 07:09 AM
I figured they were family at first, but later I made the assumption that they were most likely BFFs.

Got the same vibe from Yuna and Rikku in X, thoughthey're actually related.
So I guess it's similar to Yuna and Lulu/Wakka, or Laguna and Ellone. Not family but close enough to pass as family.
Cloudane
04-12-2010, 01:13 PM
Got the same vibe from Yuna and Rikku in X, thoughthey're actually related.

That didn't stop Brother in X-2 :D
Rodney
04-12-2010, 06:19 PM
Got the same vibe from Yuna and Rikku in X, thoughthey're actually related.

That didn't stop Brother in X-2 :D

Ew. Don't remind me. That was disgusting.
kotora
04-12-2010, 06:31 PM
Definitely lez. Lightning probably wanted in on the action too. Then again she had Hope to satisfy her needs for girl on girl love.
Garnie
04-12-2010, 06:32 PM
Edinburgh. Not that it matters, it's the same the world over to my knowledge.

Alright, hands up all the girls here who have felt up another girl's boobs at any point.

:omghey:

Pretty much every time i go down town with the girls and the larger is cheap. but were incredibly random and its fun to see the look on our fellas faces lol. But never in a sober situation!!

But to be honest i thing Fangs enjoying that far too much lol x
No.78
04-12-2010, 08:11 PM
According to the final fantasy wiki they were raised in the same orphanage, that's where they met. So they're kind of sworn sisters.
Cloudane
04-12-2010, 10:28 PM
According to the final fantasy wiki they were raised in the same orphanage, that's where they met. So they're kind of sworn sisters.

Thought I was in an FFVIII thread for a moment there. Anyway, that makes sense.
Wolf Kanno
04-16-2010, 10:36 AM
After watching the ending... yeah, definetly lesbians or at least they have made it to second base. :D
Rodney
04-20-2010, 06:17 PM
Would you do that for your family?

No, just for my boyfriend. Sorry. Don't care a lick about any of my family except for maybe my younger brother.
Loony BoB
04-21-2010, 10:08 AM
Would you do that for your family?

No, just for my boyfriend. Sorry. Don't care a lick about any of my family except for maybe my younger brother.
I guess it's hard for you to relate, then, but personally I would do all kinds of things if it would save a member of my family.
Crop
04-22-2010, 09:01 PM
They're just easing us in. The next final fantasy game will obviously have lesbians in, and they'll make it obvious.
Rodney
04-27-2010, 07:36 AM
Would you do that for your family?

No, just for my boyfriend. Sorry. Don't care a lick about any of my family except for maybe my younger brother.
I guess it's hard for you to relate, then, but personally I would do all kinds of things if it would save a member of my family.

Damn right it is. Except for my brother, I have the worst possible relationship with my family. I'd much rather save a significant other (which I maintain Fang and Vanille are to each other) than a family member.
Persephone Stephanie
05-08-2010, 03:08 AM
Damn right it is. Except for my brother, I have the worst possible relationship with my family. I'd much rather save a significant other (which I maintain Fang and Vanille are to each other) than a family member.

In my interpretation Fang and Vanille aren't family, nor just friends, or even just BFFs, but are significant others - without a sexual relationship.