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Raistlin
03-24-2010, 03:48 AM
I tried to walk away. Really, I did. I played some FFXIII, did some work for the frontsite, watched some TV. Other things. But then I came back and saw the third round “challenge” for the CK competition, which has turned from entertaining events to a blatant ploy to boost activity while the staff sits on some predetermined favorites.

It is now all too clear why Breine was eliminated so he didn’t have to “jump through hoops,” because this CK competition is getting more and more ridiculous. I am almost eager to see how the third round can even be topped.

But why only Breine? Why wasn’t everyone without a real chance at least given a choice, instead of being misled into taking part and trying hard for a perceived legitimate chance at something some of the competitors might actually give a crap about. The staff is certainly not showing the regular members the respect and consideration that should be expected to anyone in a community. “Hey, Breine, sit this one out, but the rest of you make a zillion threads and try really hard, even though you don’t have any more of a chance.”

I suppose I’m making this thread to ask, what purpose is this really supposed to serve? Is there really ANY purpose behind this year’s competition except to temporarily boost activity? If that staff has come to predetermined conclusions about certain favorites, is it ok to express otherwise?

Freya
03-24-2010, 03:59 AM
I see it as an event not so much as just the CK comp. Yeah if you win I guess you get that CK title but I like the activity. You're just being a negative nancy.

Then again, not even the ck's and admins post as much as they are making these players. It kinda seems like "How much time can we make them waste!"

Ace Protorney
03-24-2010, 04:03 AM
I haven't paid much really attention to the competition this year, but I am glad I haven't joined because it would require me to post a :bou::bou::bou::bou: load of times, and I don't spend a lot of time posting here as much as I would like to.

Though, you do make a good point. I have noticed a great increase of posting activity since this competition has started, which is good for the forums since it clearly needs the activity. I think it might have something to do with this competition, but if that is the case, the activity may drop once this is done and over.

As for Breine being eliminated and all, I don't really care about that, seeing I'm not really paying attention to this competition at all. :)

Jiro
03-24-2010, 04:11 AM
The contest this year is a lot harder and some would say less fun, but if this is just a staff ploy to boost activity then good on 'em. Anyone that gets seriously disheartened by not progressing in this contest shouldn't be in it.

You just show up, have some fun and if by some stroke of luck you become a CK, then well I'm not sure what happens then but you just do it. At the end of the day, it's all about having fun. If everyone failed in the first round, we'd still get CKs out of it so it doesn't really matter.

Shlup
03-24-2010, 04:13 AM
Jumping to some interesting conclusions there, Raist. What did I say about making an ass out of u and me?


Then again, not even the ck's and admins post as much as they are making these players.

I made over 100 post just yesterday. I've been on the top five posters list every day for months. Sure, not every staffer is that active, but a lot are. I don't think 50 is that much. I was going to make it 100 but decided against it at the last minute.

Activity is good and I, personally, am enjoying it very much. If you don't like the activity, if you don't want to generate it as a contestant, then... don't. (Referring to anyone, not just you, Freya.)

It seems to me that most people are enjoying it though.

Raistlin
03-24-2010, 04:17 AM
Jumping to some interesting conclusions there, Raist. What did I say about making an ass out of u and me?

Del already explicitly stated most of what I said in the OP. Also, good job on AGAIN avoiding addressing anything I actually said. When did you become such a wussy arguer?

If I'm wrong, say it. Tell me why it's wrong, and why this competition isn't simply a ploy, and why the staff haven't already reached conclusions about competitors. Was Breine an anomaly or a trend?


I made over 100 post just yesterday. I've been on the top five posters list every day for months. Sure, not every staffer is that active, but a lot are.

No other staffer is as active as you, because not everyone can be unemployed hobos. Not every competitor can be, either.

EDIT: also, how is this even a competition anymore? What does making 50 posts prove? Are you actually going to read them all? It seems like this whole competition has been people do busy work and some random non-favorites are eliminated.

Goldenboko
03-24-2010, 04:18 AM
The contest this year is a lot harder and some would say less fun, but if this is just a staff ploy to boost activity then good on 'em. Anyone that gets seriously disheartened by not progressing in this contest shouldn't be in it.

You just show up, have some fun and if by some stroke of luck you become a CK, then well I'm not sure what happens then but you just do it. At the end of the day, it's all about having fun. If everyone failed in the first round, we'd still get CKs out of it so it doesn't really matter.

Can we make Jiro a CK just because he's awesome?

Jiro is right, if you can't or don't feel like doing all this, bow out, take a leave, no one will question you if you do so gracefully. Those who stay in are just going to promote precious activity throughout the forum and for those who actually like forums they'll have a blast! If you had no chance from the beginning and you went all the way, but didn't make it, look at the ride, not the end. The other option is the staff quietly discusses and picks like what was tradition (which they are quite obviously doing as well this way anyway) and the rest of the forum misses out on some fun.

Jessweeee♪
03-24-2010, 04:32 AM
People seem to be enjoying the spike of activity; maybe we should just have monthly POST A LOT days.

Del Murder
03-24-2010, 04:41 AM
I'm sorry that you don't like the tasks, but we certainly aren't playing favorites. Except for one instance, people are being eliminated based on their merit in the competition. That one instance was a special case.

I'm assuming Amanda is going to read all of the 50 posts because she made it a round. I'm certainly not going to read all of them. :p

You should be happy that you're still in the running, Raistlin. Your entries have been a joke so far.

Shlup
03-24-2010, 05:38 AM
Jumping to some interesting conclusions there, Raist. What did I say about making an ass out of u and me?

Del already explicitly stated most of what I said in the OP. Also, good job on AGAIN avoiding addressing anything I actually said. When did you become such a wussy arguer?

If I'm wrong, say it. Tell me why it's wrong, and why this competition isn't simply a ploy, and why the staff haven't already reached conclusions about competitors. Was Breine an anomaly or a trend?

You're just going to have to deal with the fact that you're wrong. Breine, as has been said, was an anomaly. Sometimes a person doesn't get modded because one current staffer said no. We tend to go all or nothing in these decisions.

Why would I bother addressing anything you said, really? It's just you bitching because "oh noes, the staff came up with a plan that makes the forum more active and people are voluntarily participating; it r a travesty."

I don't get why you're harping on this. Are you not enjoying the boost in activity? Do you really honestly suspect that we've already decided who will win and no one else has a chance? Is the game just so awful to participate in that it isn't worth it unless you're going to win the grand prize? Because there's only going to be one winner. If it isn't you are you going to pull a "See! I told you! They probably decided on _____ from the start! Mean ol' staff, making me actually post on a message board..."? Because if you're going to go all conspiracy theory on us you can just stfu already; it's not cute.



I made over 100 post just yesterday. I've been on the top five posters list every day for months. Sure, not every staffer is that active, but a lot are.

No other staffer is as active as you, because not everyone can be unemployed hobos. Not every competitor can be, either.

EDIT: also, how is this even a competition anymore? What does making 50 posts prove? Are you actually going to read them all? It seems like this whole competition has been people do busy work and some random non-favorites are eliminated.

Which is why I lowered the required post count by half. Making 50 posts proves you're dedicated. If you do it well it proves you're not a retarded. And I may very well read them all; as you've noticed I am a very active poster. I read all the threads created for task two!

And duh our non-favorites are eliminated, after looking at everyone's submissions. That's how it works! These types of games are subjective.

You don't watch enough reality TV.

Meat Puppet
03-24-2010, 06:06 AM
sleeping with a staff member so they select you for their team only has a 33.3% success rate
although I heard the chances are higher for things like herpes and babies (<a href="http://image.motortrend.com/f/events/toy-driving-motor4toys-combines-car-show-with-charity-toy-drive/31608132+w750/2009-motor4toys-hurby-the-love-bug.jpg" title="yes I know what portmanteau means do you think less of me now">or the sick fusion of the two</a>)

Madonna
03-24-2010, 06:32 AM
Whoa there, Clone Wars, we have a thread like this already; sorry that Sagensyg stole your thunder, but you should keep the topic as one!

I was going to actually address a few posters' points, but your walls of text are making my eyes glaze; this is not a complicated issue! The administrators and moderators have a thing for causing a big hullabaloo over these things, skewing the results to their benefit, and doing what they wanted in the first place; this is not a new practice and I am frankly surprised anyone cares that much. What is going to happen if the fora staff continue acting this way?! Are people actually going to leave the fora!?

Shlup
03-24-2010, 06:39 AM
If people want to leave over us promoting activity through games and knighting people we think would be good mods then they are welcome to do so. *shrug*

Madonna
03-24-2010, 12:02 PM
Surely no one is that drama-oriented!

oddler
03-24-2010, 12:29 PM
Is there really ANY purpose behind this year’s competition except to temporarily boost activity?

April Fool's! :aimkiss:

Ace Protorney
03-24-2010, 12:42 PM
Is there really ANY purpose behind this year’s competition except to temporarily boost activity?

April Fool's! :aimkiss:

You know, it would be kind of amazing if this competition ended on April Fool's and it turns out that we've been fooled into believing that there would be a winner for the competition.

I can see it now how it all ends! "Congratulations everyone! You've all made it this far, but we're sad to announce that you've all been April Fooled, and we will not be knighting the winner(s) of this competition! It was a prank all along! Move along now!" :mwahaha:

Lawr
03-24-2010, 12:53 PM
Whoa there, Clone Wars, we have a thread like this already; sorry that Sagensyg stole your thunder, but you should keep the topic as one!

I tried reporting one that I thought was a clone of mine and I got a strike because--


but it is more awesome and makes me lol


An April Fool's prank? I hope we all remember what happened the last time someone pulled a prank! (http://forums.eyesonff.com/members/tavrobel.html) :roll2

Rodarian
03-24-2010, 05:01 PM
I admire that Shlup can post like a hurricane..

50 posts is kinda difficult for me... Not that I'm not trying to meet all the requirements but I have electricity problems here.. And its one thing that I would hate more is knowing that I got eliminated because our city's load shedding problems :cry:

Still I'm going to try my very best!

Aerith's Knight
03-24-2010, 05:10 PM
I'm far above the posting limit, but I'm having trouble to find any thread worth posting in (for fun) at this point.

Jessweeee♪
03-24-2010, 05:16 PM
I'm having more trouble remembering that just because my 50 posts are up doesn't mean I can start going under the word requirement xD

Breine
03-24-2010, 05:41 PM
While I find it sucky that I was eliminated, I appreciate them telling me early instead of making me participate in the other rounds, if I wasn't going to win anyway. Someone must like me, I suppose xD

Flying Mullet
03-24-2010, 06:03 PM
What did I say about making an ass out of u and me?
http://upload.stripgenerator.com/stripgenerator/strip/44/22/63/00/00/full.png

Marshall Banana
03-24-2010, 06:11 PM
Making 50 posts in 24 hours would be extremely difficult for anyone! Don't sweat it, Roddi!

Shluppi has made 300+ posts during the last seven days as a consequence of running the competition in the Frocobo Stables and, probably, posting a lot in the staff forum, too (also, I think she's playing FFXIII). When posting giveaways for a Lucky event, I become one of the top posters, myself! So, it's a lot easier for her than it is for you right now!

:mymeltitter:

demondude
03-24-2010, 07:09 PM
I am still miffed that I was eliminated because one of my links was broken. :colbert: I did the task and everything.

Rodarian
03-24-2010, 07:11 PM
Making 50 posts in 24 hours would be extremely difficult for anyone! Don't sweat it, Roddi!

Shluppi has made 300+ posts during the last seven days as a consequence of running the competition in the Frocobo Stables and, probably, posting a lot in the staff forum, too (also, I think she's playing FFXIII). When posting giveaways for a Lucky event, I become one of the top posters, myself! So, it's a lot easier for her than it is for you right now!

:mymeltitter:

Thanks! I'll do my best!! :kaolove:

Shlup
03-24-2010, 07:40 PM
Is there really ANY purpose behind this year’s competition except to temporarily boost activity?

April Fool's! :aimkiss:

You know, it would be kind of amazing if this competition ended on April Fool's and it turns out that we've been fooled into believing that there would be a winner for the competition.

I can see it now how it all ends! "Congratulations everyone! You've all made it this far, but we're sad to announce that you've all been April Fooled, and we will not be knighting the winner(s) of this competition! It was a prank all along! Move along now!" :mwahaha:

How would that even be funny?


Making 50 posts in 24 hours would be extremely difficult for anyone! Don't sweat it, Roddi!

Shluppi has made 300+ posts during the last seven days as a consequence of running the competition in the Frocobo Stables and, probably, posting a lot in the staff forum, too (also, I think she's playing FFXIII). When posting giveaways for a Lucky event, I become one of the top posters, myself! So, it's a lot easier for her than it is for you right now!

:mymeltitter:

I've been over 200 posts a week for a few weeks now.

And no I am not bragging. *hangs herself*

Psychotic
03-24-2010, 08:57 PM
I thought you guys thought everybody quitting was our April Fool's? WHICH IS IT, EoFF? MAKE YOUR MIND UP. :colbert: Actually, I've got somethin' BITCHIN' planned for April Fool's. And, no, surprisingly enough, it's not "ban everyone" either! It'll be a fun event for everyone to participate in and enjoy! :jess: I'm kinda excited to unleash it upon you all.

As for this contest, eh, I like that there's more activity. I suppose it could have a bit more fun and games to it but whatever, Shlup is the evil admin and I am the fun admin. I think people are enjoying it or else they wouldn't do it, though!

Baloki
03-24-2010, 09:26 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/mikko_gorby/122540382548.jpg

I think this is how it's all decided?

Shlup
03-24-2010, 09:59 PM
Can't argue with that.

Rodarian
03-24-2010, 10:12 PM
That should be kept in the Artist Gallery!! It simply must be seen and commented by all the others! Seriously... I even asked Baloki if I could share this on Facebook!!

demondude
03-24-2010, 10:15 PM
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v358/61/31/1203390749/n1203390749_187520_9961.jpghttp://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1336105&id=628001694&op=1&view=global&subj=2467491271&oid=2467491271

Shlup
03-24-2010, 10:18 PM
That cactus looks too much like my mother. BANNED!

Lawr
03-24-2010, 10:27 PM
I think Shlup is implying that her mother looks too much like a penis.

Baloki
03-24-2010, 10:32 PM
So a snow penis is no but cactus is ok? *makes notes*

demondude
03-24-2010, 10:37 PM
I can do worse if you want. :G

Baloki
03-24-2010, 10:39 PM
You don't need to, I just want 3/4 years of joy in my life that the CK's banned away.

Raistlin
03-24-2010, 10:58 PM
You people talk a lot.


Breine, as has been said, was an anomaly. Sometimes a person doesn't get modded because one current staffer said no.

The part that doesn't make sense is why this decision was made before the competition. And if people that "not wanting to make someone jump through hoops who won't become staff anyway" was the only purpose in eliminating him... why wasn't everyone else who doesn't have a real shot eliminated? You can't tell me that everyone else in the competition after the first round had a better shot than Breine. So why was only Breine told this? It doesn't make any sense, except that Breine was a particular favorite by the staff (minus one).


Why would I bother addressing anything you said, really? It's just you bitching because "oh noes, the staff came up with a plan that makes the forum more active and people are voluntarily participating; it r a travesty."

I don't get why you're harping on this. Are you not enjoying the boost in activity? Do you really honestly suspect that we've already decided who will win and no one else has a chance? Is the game just so awful to participate in that it isn't worth it unless you're going to win the grand prize? Because there's only going to be one winner. If it isn't you are you going to pull a "See! I told you! They probably decided on _____ from the start! Mean ol' staff, making me actually post on a message board..."? Because if you're going to go all conspiracy theory on us you can just stfu already; it's not cute.

None of that I actually said. Those are some nice strawmen, though.

What disturbs me is this isn't even looking like a competition anymore, but simply an excuse, with the staff manipulating people into boosting activity. There's no discussions, no groups, no real end goal. It's just posting lots. It's actually depressing that so many members are so willing to jump through these ridiculous hoops without any sort of questioning.

The last competition was fun, and I have no regrets about taking part and putting in full effort. This is different, as the staff seem to have abandoned respect for most of the members content to let staff pull their strings.

Here's a question: if this particular CK competition is so much fun and worthwhile to participate in regardless of your chances, WHY WAS BREINE ELIMINATED? Why was participating seen as such a grueling thing in his case? Why was it just considered, in Del's own words, "jumping through hoops" for no reason? When put all together, it doesn't make sense -- except that the staff is playing favorites and just toying with the other competitors.

Shlup
03-24-2010, 11:37 PM
Breine, as has been said, was an anomaly. Sometimes a person doesn't get modded because one current staffer said no.

The part that doesn't make sense is why this decision was made before the competition. And if people that "not wanting to make someone jump through hoops who won't become staff anyway" was the only purpose in eliminating him... why wasn't everyone else who doesn't have a real shot eliminated? You can't tell me that everyone else in the competition after the first round had a better shot than Breine. So why was only Breine told this? It doesn't make any sense, except that Breine was a particular favorite by the staff (minus one).

You continue to assume that there are other people who don't have a chance of being a CK, despite me telling you repeatedly that is not the case. Why are you harping on this so much? This wouldn't be the first time that someone most staffers considered a valid candidate for CK was vetoed by one staffer who didn't like them. Are you really going to make me outright say it? Fine: one person doesn't like Breine and vetoed him. There is no one else in this competition that any staff member has ruled out as a possibility.

You seem to think we have a list of people to moderate and we just all know who's gonna be the next CK. In reality, every time we decide to knight someone new we all come up with a lot of possibilities. We don't just have a couple of favorites; a lot of people have a very fair chance. There are just a few that don't really have a chance until certain current staffers either step down or change their opinions.




Why would I bother addressing anything you said, really? It's just you bitching because "oh noes, the staff came up with a plan that makes the forum more active and people are voluntarily participating; it r a travesty."

I don't get why you're harping on this. Are you not enjoying the boost in activity? Do you really honestly suspect that we've already decided who will win and no one else has a chance? Is the game just so awful to participate in that it isn't worth it unless you're going to win the grand prize? Because there's only going to be one winner. If it isn't you are you going to pull a "See! I told you! They probably decided on _____ from the start! Mean ol' staff, making me actually post on a message board..."? Because if you're going to go all conspiracy theory on us you can just stfu already; it's not cute.

None of that I actually said. Those are some nice strawmen, though.

Oh, shove it up your arse. Obviously you didn't say those things, but that's what you sound like. You sound like a whiner and a stick-in-the-mud. I am pretty sure at this point that you're just bitchy because you think that if we let Breine off the hook we should have let you too because you're soooo convinced that you're cute little "enemy of the staff" game has made us unwilling to ask you to ever be a mod again. Get over yourself.

Or, if that's not the case, stop insulting the other competitors by implying that any of them aren't actually legitimate candidates for being a CK.


What disturbs me is this isn't even looking like a competition anymore, but simply an excuse, with the staff manipulating people into boosting activity. There's no discussions, no groups, no real end goal. It's just posting lots. It's actually depressing that so many members are so willing to jump through these ridiculous hoops without any sort of questioning.

The last competition was fun, and I have no regrets about taking part and putting in full effort. This is different, as the staff seem to have abandoned respect for most of the members content to let staff pull their strings.

Here's a question: if this particular CK competition is so much fun and worthwhile to participate in regardless of your chances, WHY WAS BREINE ELIMINATED? Why was participating seen as such a grueling thing in his case? Why was it just considered, in Del's own words, "jumping through hoops" for no reason? When put all together, it doesn't make sense -- except that the staff is playing favorites and just toying with the other competitors.

I'm sorry you see it that way.

Or, rather, I'm not sorry you see it that way but I'm sorry you won't shut up and find something better to do than be a bitch while the rest of us are having fun and enjoying the activity.


So a snow penis is no but cactus is ok? *makes notes*

The snow penis was a penis. All cacti are phallic.

demondude
03-24-2010, 11:49 PM
Besides, Shlup would never ban me. :aimkiss:

Baloki
03-25-2010, 12:00 AM
True, she only bans her favourites ;p

Rodarian
03-25-2010, 12:02 AM
Wow you two are at it (Shlup and Raistlin)...

I any case I'm trying not to think anyconspiracy theories out of this because it'll sour the spirit of competition!

Psychotic
03-25-2010, 12:06 AM
Besides, Shlup would never ban me. :aimkiss:I would.

I have actually, I banned you when you "died" if you recall. How is being dead working out for you, anyway?

rubah
03-25-2010, 01:49 AM
I'm not sure what the deal is with all the thread making. They're not particularly interesting, most of them :p

Shlup
03-25-2010, 01:49 AM
How is that different from any other day?

rubah
03-25-2010, 01:56 AM
usually they're only bad enough to laugh at, but I'll still click them. Now they're worse and more numerous.

Also your ass façade is irritating; stop it!

Shlup
03-25-2010, 02:12 AM
Also your ass façade is irritating; stop it!

Yeah, Raist. Listen to the lady.

Del Murder
03-25-2010, 02:23 AM
I agree that some of the tasks this year seem tedious. I was actually against some of them but got out voted. But you can't argue that it is stirring up activity.

It's silly to think that this contest is a pure unbiased test of CK talent and nothing more. Of course boosts to activity are among the reasons for doing it. And it's silly to think that biases won't come into play. (You think Demondude ever had a real shot? :p) But I will reiterate that there is no favoritism being showed here because we do not show favoritism to members.

Breine was a special case because he is a well respected member and we felt bad for him. It's really that simple.


Whoa there, Clone Wars, we have a thread like this already; sorry that Sagensyg stole your thunder, but you should keep the topic as one!
I agree, and this one is kind of degenerating into a shouting match, so I'm gonna close it.

Raistlin
03-25-2010, 04:21 AM
Yes, obviously an active thread containing serious discussion involving serious criticism deserves to be closed. My question hasn’t been answered (see below), so I think this should be open.


Oh, shove it up your arse. Obviously you didn't say those things, but that's what you sound like. You sound like a whiner and a stick-in-the-mud.

You sound like an overly defensive baby. There, are we done name-calling now?


I am pretty sure at this point that you're just bitchy because you think that if we let Breine off the hook we should have let you too because you're soooo convinced that you're cute little "enemy of the staff" game has made us unwilling to ask you to ever be a mod again. Get over yourself.

I think if you let Breine “off the hook,” so to speak, it was because there was a hook to be let off of, which is something you (and only you) seem to be denying exists. It’s a contradiction. It’s not just about me – it’s about letting everyone “off the hook” from jumping through what is this time inane hoops under false pretenses. People should at least know – I’m sure some will decide to participate anyway.


Or, if that's not the case, stop insulting the other competitors by implying that any of them aren't actually legitimate candidates for being a CK.

I think Del just did that for me. At least he’s being honest and not dancing around my claims.


I'm sorry you see it that way.

Or, rather, I'm not sorry you see it that way but I'm sorry you won't shut up and find something better to do than be a bitch while the rest of us are having fun and enjoying the activity.

Argh, really? I asked you a question and you can’t even give a straight response. You’re forcing me to drag every little detail out of you. Is the truth really that bad? I’ll copy/paste it so I don’t strain you too much:

Here's a question: if this particular CK competition is so much fun and worthwhile to participate in regardless of your chances, WHY WAS BREINE ELIMINATED? Why was participating seen as such a grueling thing in his case? Why was it just considered, in Del's own words, "jumping through hoops" for no reason? When put all together, it doesn't make sense -- except that the staff is playing favorites and just toying with the other competitors.

Just answer that. If you can somehow justify it in a way that is NOT the only explanation I came up with, I’ll walk away.


But I will reiterate that there is no favoritism being showed here because we do not show favoritism to members.

Breine was a special case because he is a well respected member and we felt bad for him.

Are you TRYING to be aggravating? Everything you say contains such a blatant contradiction.

Tavrobel
03-25-2010, 04:35 AM
Are you TRYING to be aggravating? Everything you say contains such a blatant contradiction.

You know, I've been saying that for the longest time, and only now people are agreeing with me?

You all missed the cool train, and now you're all on the bandwagon.

Shlup
03-25-2010, 05:14 AM
1) if this particular CK competition is so much fun and worthwhile to participate in regardless of your chances, WHY WAS BREINE ELIMINATED?

Because someone felt like insisting he be voted off. From my perspective the competition is still fun even if you don't have a chance; not everyone agrees.

2) Why was participating seen as such a grueling thing in his case? Why was it just considered, in Del's own words, "jumping through hoops" for no reason?

Because Del's being a twit. It was decided we should hold a competition but he didn't feel like running it and I got cornered into doing it under the condition that I get to do it my way. You may or may not have noticed Del's cute snippy comments at the start of the competition, before he started to realize how awesome it is, but Del likes things done his way, even when he's not the one doing them.

So some people consider it a fun and challenging game while others consider it grueling tasks and jumping through hoops.

Are we not allowed to disagree and have different perspectives without you freaking the smurf out like there's some big conspiracy?

PuPu
03-25-2010, 05:19 AM
so I'm gonna close it.

WTF?

I thought you closed this.

Lawr
03-25-2010, 05:20 AM
I'm pretty sure Raistlin can re-open his threads or threads in Feedback or something odd like that!

Shlup
03-25-2010, 05:24 AM
...

That's weird... The thread history says Del closed it but doesn't say that it was re-opened at all.

Oh well!

Del Murder
03-25-2010, 06:01 AM
I did close it. So why is it open now?

Shlup
03-25-2010, 06:04 AM
Well it doesn't say who re-opened but if you didn't do it and I didn't do it...

Someone in this thread is in trouble. :mymelbert:

PuPu
03-25-2010, 06:05 AM
Well the way I see it, there are two likely choices:

1. A CK/Admin decided to re-open this again, for some strange reason.
2. Raistlin has successfully hacked EoFF.

If #2 is what actually happened, then unlock my Wonder Square thread for me, Raistlin. :jess:

Del Murder
03-25-2010, 06:12 AM
Former Staff have the ability to open/close their own threads. I have no idea why, because it only leads to crap like this.

PuPu
03-25-2010, 06:16 AM
And here I thought that it was just another fancy title. :colbert:

Momiji
03-25-2010, 06:18 AM
Former Staff have the ability to open/close their own threads. I have no idea why, because it only leads to crap like this.

Why wouldn't it show up in the thread history, though? That's kind of unusual.

~*~Celes~*~
03-25-2010, 06:52 AM
Oh the great mysteries of EoFF!:holmes:

demondude
03-25-2010, 08:18 AM
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Pheesh
03-25-2010, 09:09 AM
...Some things are seen and then they can't be unseen. :|

Meat Puppet
03-25-2010, 02:57 PM
http://www.pantherarts.org/Drama/images/frontpic.jpg

Psychotic
03-25-2010, 06:08 PM
Does this mean I get to ban Raistlin?

Del Murder
03-25-2010, 07:35 PM
I'm not really sure why this thread stayed open after I closed it. Raistlin, you know better than to reopen threads that mods have closed.

But whatever. I done with this. If another staff wants to keep arguing they can go ahead.

I will part with this: maybe we have played favorites in this competition and maybe we haven't. The fact of the matter is you have no evidence of favortism besides wild speculation. Just look at the remaining contestants. They all got there by doing those annoying tasks and not by any sort of favortism. You really Freya is a staff favorite? Her warning thread is longer than my...well never mind.

I know I'm the former leader of the 'Elitist party' but there really isn't any elite group of members. Everyone is subject to the same rules in this contest and in general.

Old Manus
03-25-2010, 09:30 PM
I never liked the CK competitions because I felt obliged to take it deadly seriously and pretend I was interested in things I wasn't. Making EVERYONE think up and create pointless threads on topics they don't actually care about isn't that interesting.

demondude
03-25-2010, 10:22 PM
There should be polls so the dictatorship cannot make the choices. :colbert:

Raistlin
03-25-2010, 10:44 PM
I reopened the thread, which I explicitly stated in my last post so I'm not sure why it is such a mystery. I don't know why it didn't show up in the history.


Because someone felt like insisting he be voted off. From my perspective the competition is still fun even if you don't have a chance; not everyone agrees.

And here I thought the whole reason for the obnoxious tasks was you insisted on the competition being done your way. At least you being solely in charge explains the complete lack of respect the tasks shows for the members.


So some people consider it a fun and challenging game while others consider it grueling tasks and jumping through hoops.


So you agree that staff members can have the latter view and it's considered valid... but I'm not allowed to have that without a bunch of name-calling?


I will part with this: maybe we have played favorites in this competition and maybe we haven't. The fact of the matter is you have no evidence of favortism besides wild speculation. Just look at the remaining contestants.

That's really my point -- Breine was shown favoritism by being let out, instead of being misled into "jumping through hoops" for no reason, and it has been quite obvious that other members are just left to scramble to do ridiculous tasks without such consideration. You've also been blatantly supporting that view in all of your posts.

EDIT: As if I needed any more proof, the fourth task has members trying to outdo each other by submitting the most info for the frontsite -- which the staff themselves, outside of SS members, rarely do! I thought there was little that could be even more obnoxious than the third task, but I was wrong.

Shlup
03-25-2010, 11:11 PM
I reopened the thread, which I explicitly stated in my last post so I'm not sure why it is such a mystery. I don't know why it didn't show up in the history.
Saying you think it should be open is not explicitly stating that you opened, and we're frankly kind of shocked that you'd just re-open a thread that Tony closed.

And here I thought the whole reason for the obnoxious tasks was you insisted on the competition being done your way. At least you being solely in charge explains the complete lack of respect the tasks shows for the members.
Firstly, I'm not solely in charge. Most staffers also like these tasks. Most members seem to as well. The only one complaining here about "lack of respect" is you.

I took a pointless, drawn-out competition and made it efficient and relevant. We need someone to knight, we got many volunteers and can now more easily assess what they have to offer; we need more activity, we got it; we need help with the front site, we got it; hell we even just plain had fun with the first task.

Have you not noticed yet that you're the only one who seems to feel this way? Sure there are a few other people that aren't a fan of the competition, but most people are enjoying it. I'm wondering why you, specifically, are just so intent on harping on this in spite of the fact that most people do not share your perspective. What do you intend to accomplish here? Is your goal to stop the competition so no one gets to have fun just because you believe you're too good for these tasks?


So you agree that staff members can have the latter view and it's considered valid... but I'm not allowed to have that without a bunch of name-calling?
There aren't any staff members being asses about it. They stated their opinions and then, seeing others having a good time, let it go.


That's really my point -- Breine was shown favoritism by being let out, instead of being misled into "jumping through hoops" for no reason, and it has been quite obvious that other members are just left to scramble to do ridiculous tasks without such consideration. You've also been blatantly supporting that view in all of your posts.
You just seem to be unable to grasp that the rest of the contestants have a chance to win, while Breine never did. And you just keep rubbing it in his face, which I think is pretty cold.


EDIT: As if I needed any more proof, the fourth task has members trying to outdo each other by submitting the most info for the frontsite -- which the staff themselves, outside of SS members, rarely do! I thought there was little that could be even more obnoxious than the third task, but I was wrong.
I knew you'd complain about task four. A task that shows who is more capable of helping with the frontsite (which I stated we're looking for), gets us help with the frontsite that we do need, and is challenging? Heaven forbid. Heaven forbid.

You're right, writing essays about how we feel about our feelings and talking behind each other's backs in our cute little journal threads was way more productive.

I'm calling it: Raist is fucking with us. There is no way he could possibly think us having fun is such an absolute crime and yet think the other competitions and their pointless over-complicated confessionals and teams and stuff was just plain fine. Haha, April Fools, you almost had me.

Freya
03-25-2010, 11:21 PM
You really Freya is a staff favorite? Her warning thread is longer than my...well never mind.


So not very long then ;)?

Jessweeee♪
03-25-2010, 11:28 PM
I don't know for sure what's going on in there, but I gather that at the moment Breine is the only 100% NO. Everyone else has a shot, even if you think it may be a very small chance. If we didn't want to do this we wouldn't. Suppose I knew for 100% sure that I couldn't win. I will admit that I'd give up looking for threads I can close for a good reason and just be a total nazi about the ones I pick (that photo looks suspiciously like a penis! close it!), however I would still do frontsite submissions. It's been on my list of things to do for some time now, and right now is the best opportunity. I'm having fun.

Also I don't really appreciate you insulting our intelligence ._.

Shlup
03-25-2010, 11:47 PM
Thank you, Jess! He says the competition shows a lack of respect for the competitors, but I sincerely feel that his implying that any one of you doesn't have a chance to be a CK ever is downright insulting. And it seems to me that all this talk about making you guys do all these 'so mean' tasks implies that you aren't smart or strong enough to make your own decisions.

If any contestant doesn't want to do the task then they just plain don't have to.

Though I'm sticking with my "Raist is getting us back for all the April Fool's Days we've fucked with him" theory.

Del Murder
03-26-2010, 12:00 AM
I know I said I was done, but I can't help it because this is driving me insane.



I took a pointless, drawn-out competition and made it efficient and relevant. We need someone to knight, we got many volunteers and can now more easily assess what they have to offer; we need more activity, we got it; we need help with the front site, we got it; hell we even just plain had fun with the first task.
I worked hard on those competitions and don't appreciate you calling them pointless and drawn-out. Just because you decided that instead of just picking people to fill our depleted ranks like usual we quickly throw together this illusion of a competition doesn't make it more 'efficient' or 'relevant'. In fact I think it makes it less so, because it takes away the true and unbiased evaluation process that is the spirit behind this competition.

I'll level with you guys because I think it will help clear the air. Breine isn't the only 100% NO. There are others. Of course there are others! We can't just let anyone in here. Breine is only a special case because of his status as a member and the fact that he was a finalist before. We don't have time to go over each applicant individually and screen out all the bad eggs before the contest starts. Espcially this time since Amanda left the applications open for only like 2 days. :roll2 So we just let them play, in the interest of fairness. It's also amusing to us to see their entries. :p Needless to say, the finalists are the ones we had in mind from the beginning so everything works out.

I'm sick of this discussion so I'm closing this again. Everything that needed to be said (and more) has been said, and now we're just rehashing arguments.

Shlup
03-26-2010, 12:11 AM
You don't like the way I run it, I don't like the way you run it. I'm working hard and don't appreciate your constant criticism either! At least when you ran it I kept my comments private. This isn't the first time you've done this to me either. Jeez. You're "I'm so chillax but I will totally open cans of worms and leave other to deal with it" game is getting tiring.

Whatever. The rest of us are still having fun. :roll2

Raistlin
03-26-2010, 01:56 AM
Del: I swear, you are intentionally trying to be obnoxiously irritating. You say “I’m done, someone else can close it if they want,” and then when another staff member keeps up the discussion and decides not to close it and the discussion to continue, you come back and close it anyway! Seriously, this stuff warrants talking about. At least try to remember what you said 5 minutes ago. I’m reopening this again so the actual constructive discussion can continue. You even criticized this year’s competition, so you should approve of this more open discussion.


I took a pointless, drawn-out competition and made it efficient and relevant.

The last CK competition was highly entertaining and promoted activity by indirect means (people enjoyed it so much they posted more) instead of forcing activity alone.


I'm wondering why you, specifically, are just so intent on harping on this in spite of the fact that most people do not share your perspective.

Most people are dumb. You of all people know the truth of that.


What do you intend to accomplish here? Is your goal to stop the competition so no one gets to have fun just because you believe you're too good for these tasks?

Considering I liked the last competition so much, why would I want it to go away? I actually looked forward to this year’s.


You just seem to be unable to grasp that the rest of the contestants have a chance to win, while Breine never did. And you just keep rubbing it in his face, which I think is pretty cold.

This is just classic. Me pointing out the ridiculous treatment of Breine is “cold,” yet the staff’s treatment of Breine in the first place wasn’t?


I'm calling it: Raist is smurfing with us. There is no way he could possibly think us having fun is such an absolute crime and yet think the other competitions and their pointless over-complicated confessionals and teams and stuff was just plain fine. Haha, April Fools, you almost had me.

Oh get over yourself, seriously; not everything I do is all about messing with you. The revelation about Breine and the obnoxious tasks are far more ridiculous than me pointing those things out.


Also I don't really appreciate you insulting our intelligence ._.

Wait, what? I’ve been criticizing the Staff for taking blatant advantage of you to do busy work for them. You even admitted if you knew the truth, and it happened to be against you, that you wouldn’t want to participate that much. If the staff is willing to tell people that (see: Breine), wouldn’t you like to?


He says the competition shows a lack of respect for the competitors, but I sincerely feel that his implying that any one of you doesn't have a chance to be a CK ever is downright insulting.

Jesus Christ, Amanda, do you just sit down at night and think of things I never said to attribute to me? I have no idea if who has a shot and doesn’t. ALSO, you said "everyone else but Breine" still has a shot in the competition, and he was the only definite no. Del explicitly contradicted that, which just further proves my point.

At least Del is being somewhat honest and straightforward, even if everything he says is outright terrible. He even called it an “illusion” of a competition.


Breine isn't the only 100% NO. There are others. Of course there are others! We can't just let anyone in here. Breine is only a special case because of his status as a member and the fact that he was a finalist before.

So you’re conceding Breine’s “status” affected that decision?


Just because you decided that instead of just picking people to fill our depleted ranks like usual we quickly throw together this illusion of a competition… Needless to say, the finalists are the ones we had in mind from the beginning so everything works out.

There are seriously no words. Yet AGAIN, if real finalists are ones you had in mind from the “beginning,” why are you content to have everyone else pointlessly jump through hoops? At least tell people this information beforehand so they can have some sort of informed choice!

Aerith's Knight
03-26-2010, 02:07 AM
Breine isn't the only 100% NO. There are others. Of course there are others! We can't just let anyone in here. Breine is only a special case because of his status as a member and the fact that he was a finalist before.


Also I don't really appreciate you insulting our intelligence ._.

Wait, what? I’ve been criticizing the Staff for taking blatant advantage of you to do busy work for them. You even admitted if you knew the truth, and it happened to be against you, that you wouldn’t want to participate that much. If the staff is willing to tell people that (see: Breine), wouldn’t you like to?


I know I've avoided this thread like a great aunts exploding zit, but this (and other things) raises some valid points, as the mods get tired and start to slip up.

Do I want to know? Actually yes. I mean, I know myself the chance of actually getting in there is slim to none, but if it was actually none, I'd rather know so I can.. you know.. focus on studying instead of forcing me to make a review for a game I haven't played in two years while I already contributed a shtload of time in the form of a materia list for that game at the time I was actually still playing it.

Goldenboko
03-26-2010, 02:13 AM
There is a point where you have to calm down and step away from something, especially when you don't know exactly what happened behind the scenes. The staff put Shlup in charge, Shlup wanted to do something different then the last two times, it required people in the competition to do a little work, Breine has gotten far before, the staff felt it would be unfair to lead him along, so they eliminated him. That's it, that's all there is to it, you didn't like this Competition this time, you've voiced that, the staff gets it, now walk away, like a big boy.

Shlup
03-26-2010, 02:14 AM
The last CK competition was highly entertaining and promoted activity by indirect means (people enjoyed it so much they posted more) instead of forcing activity alone.
Says you, not says me. A number of people have said they prefer this format. Even Del's own girlfriend said nothing this funny has happened on EoFF in a long time!

Most people are dumb. You of all people know the truth of that.
Again insulting the intelligence of the peeople you claim to be sticking up for.

Considering I liked the last competition so much, why would I want it to go away? I actually looked forward to this year’s.
Clearly I was referring to this current competition, not the CK competition as a whole.

This is just classic. Me pointing out the ridiculous treatment of Breine is “cold,” yet the staff’s treatment of Breine in the first place wasn’t?
You just need to learn to accept that people sometimes have different perspectives than yours, and that doesn't make them wrong. From some people's perspective, Breine was done a courtesy, despite it being because of something unfortunately unpleasant.

Oh get over yourself, seriously; not everything I do is all about messing with you.
Based on this thread alone, I find this statement unlikely. You would totally go full-whinge just to mess with the staff that has messed with you so many times. I remain unconvinced of your sincerity.

Jesus Christ, Amanda, do you just sit down at night and think of things I never said to attribute to me?
Please learn the difference between me saying you said things that you never said and me saying what I feel your statements imply.

I have no idea if who has a shot and doesn’t.
My point exactly.

ALSO, you said "everyone else but Breine" still has a shot in the competition, and he was the only definite no. Del explicitly contradicted that, which just further proves my point.

At least Del is being somewhat honest and straightforward, even if everything he says is outright terrible. He even called it an “illusion” of a competition.
Don't listen to Del; there's a reason he's the only one [kind of] on your side.

Anyway, Del wants it closed because he wants to ignore it but is having a hard time. I want this discussion to be over because it's stupid and pointless. So are you done yet or are you going to continue abusing your Former Staff power to harass us about a forum game that has you all in a tizzy?

Madonna
03-26-2010, 02:40 AM
So are you done yet or are you going to continue abusing your Former Staff power to harass us about a forum game that has you all in a tizzy?To be fair, since all we do is post in a forum, a forum game has significance!

Meat Puppet
03-26-2010, 02:55 AM
http://www.pantherarts.org/Drama/images/frontpic.jpg

bipper
03-26-2010, 03:05 AM
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Raistlin
03-26-2010, 04:08 AM
A number of people have said they prefer this format.

Any of the current contestants?


Clearly I was referring to this current competition, not the CK competition as a whole.

Well then duh I would like this format to go away. Do I need to type in big font for you?


You just need to learn to accept that people sometimes have different perspectives than yours, and that doesn't make them wrong. From some people's perspective, Breine was done a courtesy, despite it being because of something unfortunately unpleasant.

I agree he was done a courtesy, especially considering this year's format. My concern is why he was singled out for that courtesy, considering Del explicitly stating there are other definite answers for other members. Jessweee and AK have even said that, if applicable, they would like to know beforehand -- that they'd rather have to do all those tasks if they didn't really have a shot. How can you justify the "it's all fun anyway" argument when your own competitors, the ones who have stuck it out this long with your obnoxious tasks, are even contradicting you?


You would totally go full-whinge just to mess with the staff that has messed with you so many times.

"So many times?" 2005 was 5 years ago. You also said "whinge" which makes everything else you say void (not that there was much legitimate substance to begin with).


Please learn the difference between me saying you said things that you never said and me saying what I feel your statements imply.

I have neither said nor implied them. Just stating "I think you implied it" does not give you free reign to accuse me of saying any absurd argument, especially when I didn't come anywhere close to doing either.


Don't listen to Del; there's a reason he's the only one [kind of] on your side.

I'd actually be interested in what others think, especially the newer staff that may not be as comfortable about blatant displays of favoritism and other such predeterminations about the CK tournament.


So are you done yet or are you going to continue abusing your Former Staff power to harass us about a forum game that has you all in a tizzy?

I'll be done when I get anything remotely resembling a straight answer. As far as I can see, there is even more reason to be concerned now than when I first started the thread.

~*~Celes~*~
03-26-2010, 04:13 AM
I can only imagine what Breine would have to say about all of this, considering he's been used as an argument so many times.

Seriously, it's just a competition. It's not like it's a life-or-death thing. No one's losing money over this, no one is physically getting hurt. This is supposed to be for fun, and yeah, something good comes out of it, we get another staff member or two, depending on the staff's predetermined choice. Yes, it's a big deal in that the people selected have a responsibility to look over an amazing community such as this one and yes, it will be work. But it's voluntary. This whole thing is voluntary. I think that's the key word here, and it seems to be very easily missed.

I'm in this because a) I believe I would make a good Cid's Knight. Yes, I have flaws, who doesn't? I know how to step up and take responsibility and I take my work seriously. b) I'm having fun. Yes, I complain that it's a lot of work and that it's hard, but it's still fun, and it's something I'm doing because I want to, which makes it even better for me. c) I was curious to see what the tasks would be this time around since Shlup's running it instead of Del.

If any of us contestants really felt like we were being over-worked, don't you think we'd be smart enough to quit rather than do something we really don't want to do? Aren't the greatest rewards in life obtained because we have the desire and the motivation to do what it takes?

Good lord. Chill, please! We're all like a family here, and yet we're persistently squabbling over the silliest thing! Please, close the thread for good and continue on with the fun!

And to answer Wes' question, I do like this format. I also like the previous format. There are pros and cons for each. However, I prefer this one because the whole confessional thing seemed a little ott to me.

Shlup
03-26-2010, 04:59 AM
Any of the current contestants?
Yup. Though even if someone hasn't really said, I believe their continued participation at least implies something positive. I hesitate to believe that any one of these particular people, at least, would go through something they absolutely hate just for a blue title, which leads to expectations at least somewhat similar to those of the contest. If that is the case then I say shame on them, though I don't believe it's so.

Well then duh I would like this format to go away. Do I need to type in big font for you?
So I have to stop having fun because you're not enjoying a competition you're not even participating in anymore?

I agree he was done a courtesy, especially considering this year's format. My concern is why he was singled out for that courtesy, considering Del explicitly stating there are other definite answers for other members. Jessweee and AK have even said that, if applicable, they would like to know beforehand -- that they'd rather have to do all those tasks if they didn't really have a shot. How can you justify the "it's all fun anyway" argument when your own competitors, the ones who have stuck it out this long with your obnoxious tasks, are even contradicting you?
I maintain that Del is full of it, or he's hanging on to vendettas against contestants that he hasn't stated to anyone else.

"So many times?" 2005 was 5 years ago. You also said "whinge" which makes everything else you say void (not that there was much legitimate substance to begin with).
Alright, so if you acting like a bleeding harpie isn't an April Fool's joke then this comment alone proves you have come in from another dimension. (A) 2005 wasn't the only time staff has screwed with you, (B) You are whinging.

I have neither said nor implied them. Just stating "I think you implied it" does not give you free reign to accuse me of saying any absurd argument, especially when I didn't come anywhere close to doing either.
I am free to state my interpretation of your whinging as I wish, especially considering that it's entirely spot on. This whole argument is absolutely ridiculous and petty.

I'd actually be interested in what others think, especially the newer staff that may not be as comfortable about blatant displays of favoritism and other such predeterminations about the CK tournament.

There will always be a degree of favoritism when selecting moderators, whether it be the old fashioned way or through contest. We're not going to knight someone we don't like, plain and simple. We're not going to knight someone with spotty activity, we're not going to knight someone who doesn't have something to offer that we feel the forums need (in this case, someone who can contribute to the frontsite at least to a small but consistant degree). The whole process of picking a new knight is favoritism. What you seem to fail to grasp is that our favorites can change. There are people I've been rooting for behind the scenes who I have previously voted against as moderators, but seeing how they've handled this competition has changed my mind.

Even if they don't have a chance to win this time, and I'm not saying that is so despite the fact that there will only be one winner, at the very least this competition has put new candidates for future moddings on the map. And that's besides all the fun and increased activity and frontsite help this contest has generated.

I'll be done when I get anything remotely resembling a straight answer. As far as I can see, there is even more reason to be concerned now than when I first started the thread.
You are ridiculous. You're asking the same questions over and over, and I'm giving you the only answers I have for you. Is your crusade to save EoFF from evil tyranny? Do you really think the staff is doing that poor of a job? Are we picking moderators that you don't approve of? What is it?

You may continue to ask your questions, but if I see the same ones again you may well just go back and read my previous posts.

Raistlin
03-26-2010, 05:16 AM
I'm asking the "same questions" because you refuse to give me anything remotely resembling a good answer consistent with the actual facts. You openly said Del's "full of it," but why the hell should I believe you over him? You can't seriously say he has a "vendetta" against all the contestants. He seems to at least be more honest than you; you have been giving some more vague answers that seem contradictory to what's actually happened and other things that have been said.

Obviously there will be some "favoritism" to pick new staffers, regardless of the method utilized. What I object to is in misleading some people to think they have any sort of chance, however farfetched, when the staff has previously chosen to eliminate a very competitive contestant to save him the trouble. THAT favoritism, in the very implementation of the competition, is what I find so ridiculous -- NOT the favoritism for choosing a CK in and of itself. You are responding to statements I never made and ignoring the ones I actually did make. You even have YOUR OWN CONTESTANTS here saying they would change their minds if they were told they had no chance -- how can you be arguing against giving people that information when the staff has chosen to do that before? You say Breine was an "anamoly," but Del's own words state that others certainly have no chance, and that seems far more likely true than your completely contradictory statements.

And Americans do not say "whinge."

Shlup
03-26-2010, 05:26 AM
Clearly you have simply chosen not to believe me, and I'm not interested in changing my perspective or what I believe is right just to satisfy you. I'm not even going to bother closing this, seeing as I'm pretty much the only person willing to tolerate you for this long anyway.

You are now talking to yourself. Enjoy it.

Marshall Banana
03-26-2010, 05:43 AM
12 threads in one day? Then, 50 posts in one day? Now there's a writing assignment? You are so evil, Shluppi. And cute. :mymeltitter:

Freya
03-26-2010, 06:41 AM
If I was told I had no chance then yes I wouldn't spend my time but isn't that the whole point of a competition? You don't know the outcome, if you knew the outcome there would be no point of the game. Of any game! If you knew that you were going to lose the game of monopoly then you wouldn't want to play but if you didn't play you wouldn't have the fun of making people land on your boulevard with 3 hotels!

Yes if I was told "You wont make it" I wouldn't spend my vacation online trying to win this thing. But I'm having fun with it. I've been away from eoff for like 2 months cause I had surgeries and what not and when I came back, yeah it was boring as hell. I even complained about it in my lj in which BoB quoted stats at me (not surprising eh?) but this competition has really increased the activity and I like that. It was hella boring when everyone was not posting or just gaming on their new XIII. Now it's reminded me of when it was this active way back when. (not your way back when because you're all old fogies)

Sure it's a lot of more social type tasks but it has increased activity and it has been fun. If they told everyone the way they stood on preexisting opinions at the beginning of the game then there would be no game. There would be no chance for anyone to prove those preexisting opinions wrong.

I know you don't outright say mean things like the contestants being idiots for doing these tasks but you imply it. You imply and then when someone calls you out you go "I never said THAT". I've known you long enough to know you do this. I've told you before wes, in fact like 40 mins ago even, to stop being such a jerk face. Yes you may have known shlup for a while but this is a public forum meaning other people can see it AND you should never talk to anyone as if they are less of a person even if you believe it to be so. That's just rude and mean and don't be a jerkass.

I feel i'm wesley's friend, he even got me a stuffed otter for my birthday last year :D And I feel he has some points on how this does seem a bit more of a social contest rather than showing in depth blah blah in confessions and blah blah. Yeah that has it's pluses and so does this one. I'm glad I don't have to share my opinions with people and have the entire forum judge me. I enjoy the activity this one is bringing, I enjoyed the group dynamics that del's had us do. It has all been fun, all of them.

Just because this one is drastically different than the other doesn't mean it's bad. Sorry that it isn't the same as something else but that's how things happen. They change, they evolve and even raistlin's negative opinions are valuable for that change. In the future if this is made again then you will know that some people (wes) don't like it as super social things and can change it. Not saying you should change for one person but just saying it's good to have both del's version and shlup's version mixed.

Wes stop being a jerkface because you don't like what's happening now. Let people have their fun. If they don't want to do it they wont. If they think it's not fair, they wont be in it. Just because it's unjust in your eyes doesn't mean that they aren't doing something right behind those big gates of the staff forum. Yes there will be judgments made, that's the point of a competition. You don't go into an ice skating competition with no knowledge of skating and expect to win. They will judge you on how well you skate and if you do bad then well you're not gonna win. Simple as that. What is wrong with a competition judging on the competition?

Oh but briene was singled out! Well yeah he was, so what? They made a judgment like they do in competitions and he was voted out. What's so hard to grasp about that? You don't have to know their reasons, that's why they are in charge and you're not. If you knew everything then there would no need for a competition in the first place would there? We'd all be tra la laing with power and the place would be anarchy. So let them judge a comp on their own.

rubah
03-26-2010, 06:50 AM
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Del Murder
03-26-2010, 08:35 AM
I agree completely. Let's make peace and not war.

Raistlin
03-26-2010, 03:22 PM
One of these days, Del, one of these days, you’re going to actually stick to something you already said. If you want to ignore this thread, then go do that, but you said a couple of times you were going to leave it open for another staff member to close if they want, and none have shown the inclination. So yet again I am forced to open this.


Clearly you have simply chosen not to believe me, and I'm not interested in changing my perspective or what I believe is right just to satisfy you. I'm not even going to bother closing this, seeing as I'm pretty much the only person willing to tolerate you for this long anyway.

Excellent way to completely ignore my question. You’ve just been answering completely different, made-up accusations so far; at least you’re now being more explicit.

It is interesting that we have yet another contestant who explicitly said she wouldn’t bother if, like Breine, she knew a hypothetical negative truth to begin with. It’s getting harder and harder to justify Breine’s exclusion.

Freya: I’m not going to get into this with you, but you don’t seem to understand really what’s going on (I’m not sure how closely you’ve been following this thread) or what’s actually been said (I did nothing like call this event a “social event”). I’ve said nothing directed at the contestants – I said their views could (and likely would) change if they knew any predetermined staff conclusion on them like Breine did, and several contestants’ statements in this thread prove that. I also said the events sure looked like a simple way to exploit eager contestants – some may value the CK position more than others, so I can’t say they are definitely getting a bad deal, IF the competition was honest. Also, I’m not sure how you can honestly read this thread and say I’m the exclusive “rude” one, considering I was playing nice until well after Shlup started cussing and name-calling earlier in the thread.

rubah: I agree about the cheaper beer.

Breine
03-26-2010, 04:38 PM
I'm gonna stay completely out of this, but after having read this entire topic I just have this incredible urge to say the following...

Talk about being caught in the middle! I almost feel like the kid in a dysfunctional marriage where the parents are getting divorced or something xD

Freya
03-26-2010, 05:04 PM
Again with the "I didn't call it". No, you didn't, I called it that because, as I said, you're not the most eloquent with your speech. It's my interpretation of your posts. I have been following this thread and laughing at it nearly the entire time.

What you're not getting is, you do not need to know what goes on behind the scenes. They are making people jump through hoops, oh well it's part of the contest. Should they make super mega boring tasks where you just are online for an hour? Sure people may be eager and it may be making the site more active but why is that so wrong? Is it wrong to have someone like to play a game? Is it wrong for the site to get activity? I buy lottery tickets cause i'm eager that I might one day win the lottery. I know I probably wont but I would love to! It's called taking a chance.

Just as I said you would, you're saying "I’ve said nothing directed at the contestants." Yes but the way you talk implies things. I don't know how closely you paid attention to my post :roll2. I personally was offended reading your posts earlier and I know how you talk. Shlup wouldn't have had to be rude if you weren't. It takes two to tango, sure you don't outright say something, as i've noted before, but you make a lot of implications that are rude which of course will cause her to be offended and lash out like she normally would.

As I said in my post earlier regarding knowing my fate in the game, that would ruin the game. There would be no game if you told people how it would end. If the contestants knew right away how they stood they wouldn't play and there would be no game or only two would play cause they would know they'd win. Have you ever played a game Raistlin? Or do you just suck fun out of everything and refuse to do so?

You've pushed and prodded and you're like a child who wont take no as an answer so of course I'm going to say something when you talk about me (as a contestant) like you already know my opinion. I don't get why you don't like or understand the authority here but I understand it. No, you do not need to know the reasons why they do something. If they wanted you to know the reasons why they keep or lose people they would tell you. "But they did for Breine!" Because you nagged about it.

See how Breine is just like :confused:!! I mean really do you see him throwing a fit? No it's you wes.

Pre-determined favs? How by far am I a fav? I have more people hate me on this site than like me and some how i'm still in the running.

How is this comp led by favs and why should they tell you exactly how they feel about whoever?

Dignified Pauper
03-26-2010, 05:24 PM
Would I have had a fair shot if I were to have competed this year?

Aerith's Knight
03-26-2010, 05:30 PM
Would I have had a fair shot if I were to have competed this year?

About as much as me.


...:bigsmile:

Loony BoB
03-26-2010, 05:38 PM
I take a back seat in one of these contests and let them do what they want with how it's run and this is how you all repay me? With bitching competitions? 'nuff said, I reckon.

Aerith's Knight
03-26-2010, 05:40 PM
Take control BoB!

Make a pie chart!

Loony BoB
03-26-2010, 05:41 PM
I'm not sure even a pie chart can solve thi-- ahhhh, who am I kiddin', I'm sure it can. But it would be rather inappropriate to put up stats capable of destroying the bitchers.

Dignified Pauper
03-26-2010, 05:41 PM
Would I have had a fair shot if I were to have competed this year?

About as much as me.


...:bigsmile:

Excuse, me, I'm popular.

Loony BoB
03-26-2010, 05:44 PM
Yeah, but to win the contest you'd need to not fail.

Freya
03-26-2010, 05:48 PM
I'm not sure even a pie chart can solve thi-- ahhhh, who am I kiddin', I'm sure it can. But it would be rather inappropriate to put up stats capable of destroying the bitchers.

I love your charts /suck up

Dignified Pauper
03-26-2010, 05:51 PM
Oh... right. Someday, I'll finish UFO X-com. I'm really bummed my saves are gone with the old laptop.

Loony BoB
03-26-2010, 05:56 PM
;_; I love that thread. Please do.

Raistlin
03-26-2010, 06:09 PM
Freya: again, I'm left wondering what thread you're actually reading. You are being even more vague and arbitrary than Shlup with saying "the way you say some things can imply other things" and... that's it. I mean exactly what I'm saying: it looks like the staff is exploiting contestants and playing favorites with the competition. There's absolutely nothing in that mocking the contestants themselves.

You say we don't need to know if some members don't have a chance, but that is contradicted by your statement you wouldn't want to participate if you didn't have even that slight chance. I think a lot of people would disagree with your former statement: I think people would like to know, or at least would like the staff to be upfront that they have some certain decisions regarding some members (which is what Del said and Shlup contradicted) -- it would be better than the staff acting on at least something approaching a clean slate (certainly not everyone has the same chance, but at least everyone is open for discussion). Aerith's Knight and Jessweee's statement seems to support that conclusion.

You all are somehow butchering my words to make it look like Breine got a bad deal. While I do think it was ridiculous for the staff to make that determination even before the competition (especially when they have conceded people who weren't even on the map have made themselves competitive this competitive -- are the staff incapable of changing their minds?), but given the way things are currently, I have been arguing that Breine was being favored in forced out of the competition instead of jumping through ridiculous hoops for no reason. My main criticism is that any other members who did not have a real shot at winning should have been made aware of that as well.

The fact that other people and staff members feel free to continue discussion here just further proves it was appropriate to reopen this thread (three times).

Dignified Pauper
03-26-2010, 06:23 PM
Personally, I don't think the CK position should be decided by a contest. But really, I don't know why you're even bothering Raistlin.

Freya
03-26-2010, 06:26 PM
You obviously don't get it and are only reading out of what I'm say that you want.


YES, If I knew I wouldn't want to play. If you knew you had no chance at winning say a final fantasy game. Would you play? Most likely not if you absolutely knew it was a non winnable game. You would not spend your time doing whatever to get to whatever if you lose in the end.

Let me try to explain this AGAIN. The point isn't who wins it's what happens along the way.

If I tell you right now you will not become a lawyer and will fail out of law school and this was a for sure thing. It was the complete truth, you would not want to spend your time there.

But that is what you want people to know. You are acting like people have to know right away that they wont make it. If they know right away they wont play, they wont have fun, and they wont change opinions.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

If you tell people their standings right away then there is no point to the game.

Aerith's Knight
03-26-2010, 06:29 PM
BoB, it's getting out of control. I think it's time...


..bring out the bar charts.

May history forgive us.

Momiji
03-26-2010, 06:35 PM
Hooooookay, been ignoring this thread, but I figured I may as well get my say in this in.

If everyone who didn't have a shot knew they didn't have a shot, barely anyone would have even signed up. Kind of ruins the point.

Hell, even I know my chances of winning are pretty weak. It's not like I'm not aware of my rather poor track record here, and I would not be surprised at all if I was one of the people eliminated in past years because of my history here as an argumentative troll. However, I'm in this, regardless, because, win or lose, I have fun playing along. Really, that's probably the biggest point in these competitions, or else I'm sure the admins would have just picked who they had in mind from the start and not bothered with spending a ton of time organizing a game. Of course there is going to be favoritism in the long run, because the staff need to be able to be compatible with each other. Why the hell would they pick someone who'd always make things difficult for them or potentially cause an unnecessary conflict?

Personally, I think anyone who enters this competition expecting to win is missing the point. You can try your very best to win, and I assure you I'm giving it my all, but a huge point of this is to have some fun with it along the way. I realize you don't find Shlup's version of the competition to be fun, and that's fine, but it really isn't fair to say it's any worse; it's just different. I'm actually enjoying this one more than I have the past two, because the tasks in the competition so far have sparked a ton of activity, which has actually made things quite a bit more interesting around here, especially since it seems that things have been stagnating these past few months. After Task 2, there have been a ton of new threads to post in and discuss stuff. Task 3 got us posting in those threads. Now that most of the contestants have been eliminated, it's time to get down to business and start doing things Cid's Knights should be doing-- scanning the forums for threads that need to be closed, making sure the forums stay free of inappropriate posts, and making sure the rules are upheld, as well as pitching in for the frontsite-- which I must say, as a Site Staff Cid's Engineer, is sincerely, wholeheartedly appreciated. I find it incredibly unfortunate that you can't see it this way, and treat it as some horrible conspiracy, with pointless arguing along the way, and abusing your ability to reopen closed threads. It isn't funny, it's not cute, and frankly I don't even know what you're trying to accomplish anymore.

Jessweeee♪
03-26-2010, 06:55 PM
Let me clarify. I wouldn't necessarily like to know if I had a shot or not. I would probably just half-ass that particular part of the current task that I mentioned if I found out somehow.

Most if not all of these tasks deemed un- or poorly related to being a CK, such as the large amount of posting and frontsite contribution has benefited EoFF. A forum community we are very fond of and spend quite a large amount of our internet time on. I don't feel used, just useful!

bipper
03-26-2010, 06:57 PM
Shlup did say right off the bat that the winner had a 'chance' at becoming CK. Not that they were guaranteed. Right?


So, like, sometimes we feel like we need more mods around here so we make you compete for it and then may not Knight you anyway but that's cool 'cause it's all in good fun amirite? Yes.

Right up front - first lines of when this thing got started. So shlup the duck up.

~*~Celes~*~
03-26-2010, 08:03 PM
Shlup did say right off the bat that the winner had a 'chance' at becoming CK. Not that they were guaranteed. Right?


So, like, sometimes we feel like we need more mods around here so we make you compete for it and then may not Knight you anyway but that's cool 'cause it's all in good fun amirite? Yes.

Right up front - first lines of when this thing got started. So shlup the duck up.

Now all we need are some of those graphs and charts, and this thread is won.

Freya
03-26-2010, 08:12 PM
So shlup the duck up.

Best new phrase. STDU!

Shlup
03-26-2010, 08:14 PM
Things Raistlin is unable to grasp:

1) Saying what you think his statements imply is not the same as accusing him of saying those things and is not an attempt to quote him, it's simply saying how the things he did say make you feel about his perspective. In this case, that the contestants aren't smart enough to make their own choices. (eg, "Freya: I’m not going to get into this with you, but you don’t seem to understand really what’s going on or what’s actually been said.")

2) Not getting an answer that supports his his theories, not getting the answers he wants, is not the same as not getting an answer at all. Accusing a person of just plain not answering doesn't make it true; sometimes you just have to accept the answers you are given.

3) "(which is what Del said and Shlup contradicted)" should read "(which is what Shlup said and Del contradicted)"

Once you realize Raistlin is unable to grasp these concepts it's much easier to go do something productive with your time. Like take puppies for walks to watch ducks!

PuPu
03-26-2010, 08:18 PM
The people in this topic who say they are only doing this competition for fun are terribad liars.

Nobody knew what was going to happen in the competition when they all signed up. Nobody knew what they were going to be forced to do. And nobody knew that some of them wouldn't stand a chance either (though this is arguable). Everybody signed up for this competition because they all wanted that blue title. Nobody would be making all these threads and posts and jumping through these hoops if they knew for sure that they would get nothing in return.

Aerith's Knight
03-26-2010, 08:20 PM
Everybody signed up for this competition because they all wanted that blue title.

You are implicating that everyone signed up for this competition. :p

Freya
03-26-2010, 08:24 PM
You assume Pupu that we can't have fun doing it. Yeah we may want the title but we're having fun while trying to get it.

Goldenboko
03-26-2010, 08:27 PM
The people in this topic who say they are only doing this competition for fun are terribad liars.

True, but anyone who enters the competition with expectation to win is also arrogant. Anyone entering the competition probably has assumptions where they stand. Many enter anyway. Sure, it'd be nice to win, but I know personally I won't cry myself to sleep if I didn't.

Really, I can't believe this topic still is being posted in, "Staff already had ideas about people!" You couldn't figure that out? Really?

PuPu
03-26-2010, 08:30 PM
But this goes back to what Raistlin said, that if all of you knew that you didn't have a chance of winning, you wouldn't have done this competition. I know you're all having fun, but you all didn't do the competition for the purpose of having fun. You all did it for the sole purpose of expecting to win that title.


Really, I can't believe this topic still is being posted in, "Staff already had ideas about people!" You couldn't figure that out? Really?

Dude, I established this long before Raistlin even made this topic.

~*~Celes~*~
03-26-2010, 08:32 PM
I think you're confusing "expect to win" with "hope to win." There is a difference.

PuPu
03-26-2010, 08:39 PM
They're synonyms, you know.

At least, according to Dictionary.com

Loony BoB
03-26-2010, 08:44 PM
They definitely have different definitions. Synonyms? Eh, that's pretty debatable, really. I'd say no. Because they mean different things. I don't know how much leeway you have to give for two words to be synonyms, though.

Goldenboko
03-26-2010, 08:53 PM
But this goes back to what Raistlin said, that if all of you knew that you didn't have a chance of winning, you wouldn't have done this competition. I know you're all having fun, but you all didn't do the competition for the purpose of having fun. You all did it for the sole purpose of expecting to win that title.

If you think I came in this fully expecting to win, you are dreadfully mistaken :lol: Hope and expect are very different words, one implies a sense of certainty, the other, not so much.




Really, I can't believe this topic still is being posted in, "Staff already had ideas about people!" You couldn't figure that out? Really?

Dude, I established this long before Raistlin even made this topic.

That wasn't directed at you.

bipper
03-26-2010, 08:55 PM
Pupu:


Shlup did say right off the bat that the winner had a 'chance' at becoming CK. Not that they were guaranteed. Right?


So, like, sometimes we feel like we need more mods around here so we make you compete for it and then may not Knight you anyway but that's cool 'cause it's all in good fun amirite? Yes.

Right up front - first lines of when this thing got started. So shlup the duck up.

It was the first freaking line declaring the competition. Seriously. If you are pissed, move into the mortgage business. It wasn't even fine print.

Old Manus
03-26-2010, 08:56 PM
This EoFF drama brought to you by ShlupxRaist incorporated

Loony BoB
03-26-2010, 08:57 PM
In all honesty, this is getting annoying and also getting nowhere. I am closing this thread with the intention of it not being re-opened. Don't make me move it to Garbage, Raistlin.

Raistlin
03-26-2010, 10:27 PM
Daniel, if this is getting “annoying,” then like any other topic you are free not to read it. You’ve posted in this thread while leaving it open for the past day, and the amount of responses, including feedback from regular members, has only increased. I don’t see how you can justify closing it now, so I’m reopening it.


Things Raistlin is unable to grasp:

1) Saying what you think his statements imply is not the same as accusing him of saying those things and is not an attempt to quote him, it's simply saying how the things he did say make you feel about his perspective. In this case, that the contestants aren't smart enough to make their own choices. (eg, "Freya: I’m not going to get into this with you, but you don’t seem to understand really what’s going on or what’s actually been said.")

Saying that you think how I am saying certain things implies something else is all well and good, but when I later qualify stating that I expressly did not mean that, then you argument becomes baseless, and you start your arguments against your imaginary friend, which is what you have done throughout this thread.

And I never said ANYTHING remotely like the contestants aren’t “smart enough to make their own choices,” and with that out-of-nowhere statement you just prove again you have a substantial ass to pull things out of. Your example of my statement to Freya also expressly ignores any sort of context, such as THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE when I say it looks like she hasn’t read the thread (and also ignores the fact that mere ignorance is not by itself a bad thing). It also has nothing to do at all with your previous statement.


2) Not getting an answer that supports his his theories, not getting the answers he wants, is not the same as not getting an answer at all. Accusing a person of just plain not answering doesn't make it true; sometimes you just have to accept the answers you are given.

I also never said that I never received an answer – I said you gave vague and contradictory answers. And I did accept some of the answers I was given: I accepted the uncontradicted validity of Del’s original statement about Breine. Your attempts to justify it have since been confusing, at best. I understand if you never agreed with the staff’s decision regarding Breine in the first place (which is what it sure seems like here), but then don’t try to back it up by selectively ignoring complaints and adding in your own weaker ones.


3) "(which is what Del said and Shlup contradicted)" should read "(which is what Shlup said and Del contradicted)"

I am sorry my statement seemed to imply an arguably false timestamp of statements, but again you’re ignoring the substance of the statement: that you and Del said continually and blatantly contradictory things.


But this goes back to what Raistlin said, that if all of you knew that you didn't have a chance of winning, you wouldn't have done this competition. I know you're all having fun, but you all didn't do the competition for the purpose of having fun.

So far you are the only other regular member here even attempting to view this objectively. I think some of the members are just wary of criticizing the staff at all, especially during the competition.

Freya
03-26-2010, 10:34 PM
Wes, why do you have to know what they think about everyone? Answer that please.

Raistlin
03-26-2010, 10:38 PM
Freya: I'm seriously amazed you think that's a relevant question, considering I never claimed that. The ONLY things I've claimed are that: 1) if Breine was given a "favor," then all other competitors in a similar situation should be given equal consideration, and 2) that it should be upfront if staff members may have made final decisions on some members before the competition (though I already said I don't think that's very logical or fair -- but people should not be misled).

PuPu
03-26-2010, 10:38 PM
You people make me laugh.

Main Entry: <sup>1</sup>hope
Pronunciation: \ˈhōp\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): hoped; hop·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hopian; akin to Middle High German hoffen to hope
Date: before 12th century
intransitive verb 1 : to cherish a desire with anticipation <hope>s for a promotion>
transitive verb 1 : to desire with expectation of obtainment
2 : to expect with confidence [/URL]
synonyms see [URL="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expect"]expect (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trust)

Hope - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hope)

Either way, it doesn't make a difference as to what I said. You're not doing it for fun, you're doing it to win.
</hope>
<hope>
</hope>It was the first freaking line declaring the competition. Seriously. If you are pissed, move into the mortgage business. It wasn't even fine print.

Pissed? Not at the competition, that's for sure. I even had fun making that joke thread of "I'm back."


So far you are the only other regular member here even attempting to view this objectively. I think some of the members are just wary of criticizing the staff at all, especially during the competition.

It's clear by some of the posts that certain people have made in this thread that they haven't even read the thread at all. It's quite obvious by their posts that they are thinking "LOL Raistlin whining topic. I'm not going to bother reading the thread, I'm just going to give a generic response in an attempt to be profound."<hope>
</hope>

Psychotic
03-26-2010, 10:39 PM
PuPu is doing a better job than Raistlin imho

EDIT: Until he tried sucking up to Raistlin. Jesus christ man, have some self-respect. :colbert:

Baloki
03-26-2010, 10:40 PM
INSULT
RETORT
COUNTER-RETORT
QUESTIONING OF SEXUAL PREFERENCE
SUGGESTION TO SHUT THE smurf UP
NOTATION THAT YOU CREATE A VACUUM
RIPOSTE
ADDON RIPOSTE
COUNTER-RIPOSTE
COUNTER-COUNTER RIPOSTE
>> NONSENSICAL STATEMENT INVOLVING PLANKTON
RESPONSE TO RANDOM STATEMENT AND THREAT TO BAN OPPOSING SIDES
WORDS OF PRAISE FOR FISHFOOD
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND ACCEPTENCE OF TERMS

demondude
03-26-2010, 10:40 PM
Psychotic ... you know what to do.

THUNDERDOME!

Psychotic
03-26-2010, 10:42 PM
actually my plan is just to start editing posts to become lyrics from Nothin' but a G Thang.

demondude
03-26-2010, 10:43 PM
I disagree with that. Let's have a three page debate.

PuPu
03-26-2010, 10:44 PM
PuPu is doing a better job than Raistlin imho

EDIT: Until he tried sucking up to Raistlin. Jesus christ man, have some self-respect. :colbert:
Not quite. The stuff that I'm saying is moreso directed to other people in this topic, than Raistlin.

Psychotic
03-26-2010, 10:46 PM
I disagree with that. Let's have a three page debate.Ok, I'll start.

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I, for one, think the staff can do no wrong.

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generic trolling about how the staff can do no right.

10,000 quotes.

your turn.



PuPu is doing a better job than Raistlin imho

EDIT: Until he tried sucking up to Raistlin. Jesus christ man, have some self-respect. :colbert:
Not quite. The stuff that I'm saying is moreso directed to other people in this topic, than Raistlin.Ok, just wanted to make sure. You can do better than him.

Freya
03-26-2010, 10:49 PM
Freya: I'm seriously amazed you think that's a relevant question, considering I never claimed that. The ONLY things I've claimed are that: 1) if Breine was given a "favor," then all other competitors in a similar situation should be given equal consideration, and 2) that it should be upfront if staff members may have made final decisions on some members before the competition (though I already said I don't think that's very logical or fair -- but people should not be misled).

The only reason they told you at all that Breine was given a favor was because you were complaining about the issue. I would have just told you "you don't need to know". Because you don't! I don't, they don't, WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW. They very well might have been giving other people the same equal consideration but again they don't need to tell you. Why do they need to be upfront about the final decisions on some of the members before the competition? You don't need to know what they think or how they feel or if they think your hair is just plain stupid!

You can apply the same thing to going to class. If your teacher tells you, "you look like a slacker you will do horrible in my class so i'm kicking you out so you don't fail." Then you wont go and you'd be pissed! I keep trying to explain this thing to you but you don't seem to get it. In this case ignorance is bliss VERY MUCH SO.

Lawr
03-26-2010, 10:50 PM
I just don't understand how submitting 900 reviews to the frontsite will make someone qualified to be a moderator. Or making 50 posts in 24 hours. For the former, have a site staff competition. For the latter, have an, heh, events committee competition or something.

bipper
03-26-2010, 10:52 PM
<hope>
</hope>It was the first freaking line declaring the competition. Seriously. If you are pissed, move into the mortgage business. It wasn't even fine print.


penis. Now that is a funny word.

Momiji
03-26-2010, 10:52 PM
For the former, have a site staff competition.

I think you're on to something. (´・ω・`)

Baloki
03-26-2010, 10:53 PM
For the former, have a site staff competition.

I think you're on to something. (´・ω・`)

Over my cold, dead, lifeless body.

Momiji
03-26-2010, 10:54 PM
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/momijitsukuyomi/1248715399_arctic-fox-hunting.gif :D

bipper
03-26-2010, 10:54 PM
For the former, have a site staff competition.

I think you're on to something. (´・ω・`)

Over my cold, dead, lifeless body.

Masturbation?

Baloki
03-26-2010, 10:55 PM
Good luck keeping BoB in line without me, he's a megalomaniac that one.

Raistlin
03-26-2010, 10:55 PM
The only reason they told you at all that Breine was given a favor was because you were complaining about the issue. I would have just told you "you don't need to know".

You can't just go back to make up ad hoc justifications for staff actions. Del just came out of nowhere with the Breine statement; I did not ask. He seemed to want to explain it to Breine more than anything.


You can apply the same thing to going to class. If your teacher tells you, "you look like a slacker you will do horrible in my class so i'm kicking you out so you don't fail." Then you wont go and you'd be pissed! I keep trying to explain this thing to you but you don't seem to get it. In this case ignorance is bliss VERY MUCH SO.

I really don't know where to begin with that analogy. If a teacher was going to fail me I certainly WOULD like that notice. "Ignorance is bliss" only if you simply accept whatever the staff does, no matter how inconsistent and favorable to certain people, as great. I certainly hope everyone doesn't think that way.


I just don't understand how submitting 900 reviews to the frontsite will make someone qualified to be a moderator. Or making 50 posts in 24 hours. For the former, have a site staff competition. For the latter, have an, heh, events committee competition or something.

That's actually a good point.

Lawr
03-26-2010, 10:56 PM
For the former, have a site staff competition.

I think you're on to something. (´・ω・`)

Well almost nobody would sign up though because there aren't as many benefits as being a CK.

bipper
03-26-2010, 10:57 PM
HOLY :bou::bou::bou::bou:!
http://homepages.nyu.edu/~wfa207/megatron_1.jpg
IT'S MEGATRON!

Baloki
03-26-2010, 10:58 PM
<strike>With front site integration on the cards for VB4 knowing your way around the front site may just help, we'll also be finally rid of those pesky Cid's Engineers.</strike> *Is shot*

demondude
03-26-2010, 10:59 PM
Ok, I'll start.

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I, for one, think the staff can do no wrong.

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generic trolling about how the staff can do no right.I tried to walk away. Really, I did. I played some FFXIII, did some work for the frontsite, watched some TV. Other things. But then I came back and saw the suggestion of turning every post in this thread into lyrics from Nothin' but a G Thang, which is clearly inferior to my suggestion of Thunderdome. Clearly there is a hidden agenda here, possibly due to the fact that you are staff and wish to cause only displeasure to us normal members with your filthy tictacs ... tactics? Tactics.

It is now all too clear why my suggestion wasn't considered, and it is because you are a dirty fascist. This suggestion competition is getting more and more ridiculous. I am almost eager to see how your insane suggestion can even be topped.

But why only your suggestion? Why wasn’t Thunderdome given a chance, instead of me being misled into taking part and trying hard for a perceived legitimate chance at something some of the posters might actually give a crap about. The staff is certainly not showing the regular members the respect and consideration that should be expected to anyone in a community. “Hey, demondude, sit this one out, I am going to change every post in this thread and completely ignore you, even though you had the better idea.”

I suppose I’m making this post to ask, what purpose is this really supposed to serve? Is there really ANY purpose behind this suggestion except to embarrass every poster in this thread? If the staff has come to predetermined conclusions about certain favorite suggestions, is it ok to express otherwise?<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

Freya
03-26-2010, 11:02 PM
Ugh this should really just be settled by that damn thunderdome.

Baloki
03-26-2010, 11:04 PM
I think too much emphesis is put on Cid's Knights and Administrators lately, I mean their only pawns in an evil, pre-determined plot. Wouldn't we just be better going above them and seeing the man at the end of the universe? Maybe playing with a deck of cards and a ball of string?

I mean yes, they were induced into forcing through the universal health bill, but just think of the benefits to your lowley member? I mean sure it's no NHS, you'll probably live if you go to an A&E, but still, a man can dream no?

Psychotic
03-26-2010, 11:06 PM
I tried to walk away. Really, I did. I played some FFXIII, did some work for the frontsite, watched some TV. Other things. But then I came back and saw the suggestion of turning every post in this thread into lyrics from Nothin' but a G Thang, which is clearly inferior to my suggestion of Thunderdome. Clearly there is a hidden agenda here, possibly due to the fact that you are staff and wish to cause only displeasure to us normal members with your filthy tictacs ... tactics? Tactics.

It is now all too clear why my suggestion wasn't considered, and it is because you are a dirty fascist. This suggestion competition is getting more and more ridiculous. I am almost eager to see how your insane suggestion can even be topped.

But why only your suggestion? Why wasn’t Thunderdome given a chance, instead of me being misled into taking part and trying hard for a perceived legitimate chance at something some of the posters might actually give a crap about. The staff is certainly not showing the regular members the respect and consideration that should be expected to anyone in a community. “Hey, demondude, sit this one out, I am going to change every post in this thread and completely ignore you, even though you had the better idea.”

I suppose I’m making this post to ask, what purpose is this really supposed to serve? Is there really ANY purpose behind this suggestion except to embarrass every poster in this thread? If the staff has come to predetermined conclusions about certain favorite suggestions, is it ok to express otherwise?<!-- google_ad_section_end -->This. This is the best post on this forum.

Baloki
03-26-2010, 11:08 PM
I tried to walk away. Really, I did. I played some FFXIII, did some work for the frontsite, watched some TV. Other things. But then I came back and saw the suggestion of turning every post in this thread into lyrics from Nothin' but a G Thang, which is clearly inferior to my suggestion of Thunderdome. Clearly there is a hidden agenda here, possibly due to the fact that you are staff and wish to cause only displeasure to us normal members with your filthy tictacs ... tactics? Tactics.

It is now all too clear why my suggestion wasn't considered, and it is because you are a dirty fascist. This suggestion competition is getting more and more ridiculous. I am almost eager to see how your insane suggestion can even be topped.

But why only your suggestion? Why wasn’t Thunderdome given a chance, instead of me being misled into taking part and trying hard for a perceived legitimate chance at something some of the posters might actually give a crap about. The staff is certainly not showing the regular members the respect and consideration that should be expected to anyone in a community. “Hey, demondude, sit this one out, I am going to change every post in this thread and completely ignore you, even though you had the better idea.”

I suppose I’m making this post to ask, what purpose is this really supposed to serve? Is there really ANY purpose behind this suggestion except to embarrass every poster in this thread? If the staff has come to predetermined conclusions about certain favorite suggestions, is it ok to express otherwise?<!-- google_ad_section_end -->This. This is the best post on this forum.

Oh Psy, I miss the days when you used to love my posts with such devotion, but nowadays your just a dirty soc loving ho, your predjidces are just so see-through nowadays, how am I to ever cope ;_;

PuPu
03-26-2010, 11:13 PM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/alien_gundamneo/RI/1254448497806.jpg

Marshall Banana
03-26-2010, 11:19 PM
I'll tell you guys a secret. It's much wiser to date a moderator than to be one. Being a moderator doesn't seem very fun, but, if you're dating one, you can benefit from his or her privileges without being obligated to do boring stuff!

So, instead of "Become a Cid's Knight Competition," there should be "Romance a Cid's Knight Competition."

bipper
03-26-2010, 11:22 PM
Who the fuck would want to touch a cid's knight. The initiation process alone instills enough taint.

Raistlin
03-26-2010, 11:25 PM
I am heartily amused that since the staff can't keep the thread closed and is so unable/unwilling to do anything about it that they have resorted to ganging up with regular members to spam it up to push back the "annoying" actual criticism. Good show.

Baloki
03-26-2010, 11:28 PM
Actually we're just bored of reading your and Shlups crappy shouting match and wish you'd take it to PM or the Private Feedback forum. You two haven't said anything new in 5 pages, only re-worded each post, I think we're nearing the final stage of the forum argument cycle though.

Psychotic
03-26-2010, 11:31 PM
I am heartily amused that since the staff can't keep the thread closed and is so unable/unwilling to do anything about it that they have resorted to ganging up with regular members to spam it up to push back the "annoying" actual criticism. Good show.It's not as if I could take your title away and then close the thread or anything. :greenie:

Baloki
03-26-2010, 11:32 PM
I am heartily amused that since the staff can't keep the thread closed and is so unable/unwilling to do anything about it that they have resorted to ganging up with regular members to spam it up to push back the "annoying" actual criticism. Good show.It's not as if I could take your title away and then close the thread or anything. :greenie:

I'll take your title away!

Rantz
03-26-2010, 11:55 PM
What the hell is this? I don't know why this thread was allowed to just keep going. Raistlin has had his title removed for obnoxiously abusing it, and this thread can sink to oblivion as it should've long ago. Jesus christ.

Shlup
03-27-2010, 12:41 AM
Actually we're just bored of reading your and Shlups crappy shouting match and wish you'd take it to PM or the Private Feedback forum. You two haven't said anything new in 5 pages, only re-worded each post, I think we're nearing the final stage of the forum argument cycle though.

FTR, I was out of it two pages ago mm'kay.