FFXIII "time compression" theory(Spoiler) - GENERAL FFVIII RELATED THEORY THREAD

[Future Esthar]

It´s very simple:
Cocoon is Pulse on the future.

Let us discuss everything that suposedly debunks this theory.

"Fang and Vanille actually prevented Cocoon from falling on Pulse."

First,an holographic ceiling could simulate Cocoon falling.
Second,Fang and Vanille just crystalized touching the ceiling near the image of Cocoon.

Cocoon´s ships were created by the Fal´Cie and could be time machines.

[ChickenHeart]

Please...stop?

[Goldenboko]

WHY?!? Why do you do this? Why do you come up with ridiculous theories that hold no merit? It's never even hinted that the Fal'Cie have the power to manipulate time. If they did, they'd just go back to see the Maker instead of wasting their time making and attempting to destroy Cocoon.

[arcanedude34]

Can we make him stop? Please?

Future Estoad, assuming you're not just a really bad troll (that's a stretch) and you really believe these asinine theories of yours, can you at least just... contain them all in one thread? You've already drowned the FFVIII forums, please let us keep these ones clean of your taint. Please?

[Future Esthar]

I am not a throll.Never was.Never will be.Punto.

Neither Orphan nor Barthandelus wanna the Maker to come back.
Indeed Barthandelus is a magic ilusion controlled by the bird.This bird was created by the Maker to deliver his messages.

~ Mark your spoilers, please. :) ~ Rye

[Rye]

Guys, be nice now, Future Esthar isn't doing anything wrong by posting these theories, don't be mean.

At the same time though, FE, perhaps you should keep them to one general FF8 - FFXIII similarities thread? They're all very related and making multiple threads is somewhat redundant. Please stick to one of the threads you made for your theories from now on, please? Thank you. :)

Also, please stop posting spoilers, FE. As a rule of thumb, let's just say if it's not something that the gamer would know from reading a review or the back of the game box, then just mark it to be safe, OK?

[arcanedude34]

I am not a throll.Never was.Never will be.Punto.

Neither Orphan nor Barthandelus wanna the Maker to come back.
Indeed Barthandelus is a magic ilusion controlled by the bird.This bird was created by the Maker to deliver his messages.
HAY GUYS, IGNORE THE PLOT OF THE GAME, I HAVE A BETTER STORY TO TELL.

[Rye]

arcanedude, I warned you to stop, now stop. Future Esthar's theories are more relevant to the forum than your telling him off for it. Don't make me warn you again about this. Behave yourself.

Everyone, get back onto the topic, or I'm going to have to close this. Don't leave Future Esthar hanging.

[Future Esthar]

I forgot the spoiler.It wasn´t intentional.

I will post only on the forums I opened.

And Arcanedude you shouldn´t be surprised considering Barthandelus is a big liar

[arcanedude34]

Okay, I'll bite then. What exactly support the fact that Orphan and Bart's motive is the exact opposite of what the game tells us it is? When did the word "time" even get mentioned in the game? No, really, I'm curious as to how you put this one together FE. This seems silly, even for you.

EDIT: I'm not surprised that he's a big liar. I'd just be really surprised if every single character in the entire game lied about the origins of Cocoon, the whole backstory with the Maker, everything. I mean... really, even the expository datalogs support everything Bart said, so why should I believe otherwise?

[Goldenboko]

I am not a throll.Never was.Never will be.Punto.

Neither Orphan nor Barthandelus wanna the Maker to come back.
Indeed Barthandelus is a magic ilusion controlled by the bird.This bird was created by the Maker to deliver his messages.

~ Mark your spoilers, please. :) ~ Rye

I can't really debate this because you don't base it off anything. It's fan fiction not theory, until you base it off a game fact.

[Future Esthar]

I was expecting to create new threads to explain different things but I see I can´t.

The Maker is not a divinity but a mad scientist specialized on robotics and genetic engineering.
Now let me take a breadth.

[arcanedude34]

Okay, I'll bite then. What exactly support the fact that Orphan and Bart's motive is the exact opposite of what the game tells us it is? When did the word "time" even get mentioned in the game? No, really, I'm curious as to how you put this one together FE. This seems silly, even for you.

EDIT: I'm not surprised that he's a big liar. I'd just be really surprised if every single character in the entire game lied about the origins of Cocoon, the whole backstory with the Maker, everything. I mean... really, even the expository datalogs support everything Bart said, so why should I believe otherwise?
No, really. Please answer me. If you're not a "throll" as you claim, you must have reasoning. Other than you desperately trying to connect everything to FFVIII, what on EARTH gave you the idea that any of this was true?

[Goldenboko]

I was expecting to create new threads to explain different things but I see I can´t.

The Maker is not a divinity but a mad scientist specialized on robotics and genetic engineering.
Now let me take a breadth.

Also... not backed up... :(

[Future Esthar]

You realize some entries on the datalog keep changing don´t you?
No one other than Bart,Cid(based on Bart) and the evil Pulse Fal´cie tells you about the Maker.

Goldenboko,it makes sense to me that he is a scientist.This is occams razor.
This is the only possibility other than being a god.
FF´s are about magic indeed but sometimes they get science.

[Skyblade]

You realize some entries on the datalog keep changing don´t you?
No one other than Bart,Cid(based on Bart) and the evil Pulse Fal´cie tells you about the Maker.

Goldenboko,it makes sense to me that he is a scientist.This is occams razor.
This is the only possibility other than being a god.
FF´s are about magic indeed but sometimes they get science.

Occam's Razor: The simplest solution is usually the correct one.

The simplist solution:
Things happen the way the game tells us they happen.

See that? Your solution needs four threads. Mine needs one sentence. Therefore, according to Occam's Razor, mine is much simpler, so mine is much more likely to be correct.

Occam's Razor has being one of the biggest tools used to tear your theories apart, FE. Don't try to use it, it is never on your side.

[Future Esthar]

The game didn´t tells us that killing Orphan brings the Maker.The Datalog keeps changing meaning the game can give partial information.For example it told us that Disley obeys Eden and later it was found that he commands Eden.The Datalog changed accordingly.Barthandelus lied on this subject and could lie on the Maker subject.The Datalog is not necessarily definitive when the game ends

And Skyblade you didn´t finish the game so you can´t argue with me now.

[Goldenboko]

The game didn´t tells us that killing Orphan brings the Maker.The Datalog keeps changing meaning the game can give partial information.For example it told us that Disley obeys Eden and later it was found that he commands Eden.The Datalog changed accordingly.Barthandelus lied on this subject and could lie on the Maker subject.The Datalog is not necessarily definitive when the game ends

And Skyblade you didn´t finish the game so you can´t argue with me now.

There was a specific data log on the reasoning behind it. The Datalog says "When our earthly vessels meet their end, the souls they housed must leave this world. Would the path of their migration not be the same one taken by our departed gods? Must they not pass through the same doorway the Divine employed to reach that place that lies beyond?

If this is the case, it stands to reason that, should a great many lives at once be cut short, a flood of souls would surge through the aforementioned portal. The Door would be thrown wide, and perhaps we might even glimpse the gleaming light of Divinity beyond.

-On the Nature of Fal’Cie"

The game log is definitive. Killing Orphan DID destroy Cocoon. Did you not pay attention to the final image of Cocoon? It was clearly, thoroughly wrecked, the only thing that saved its inhabitants was Fang and Vanille turning into Ragnarok and catching Cocoon. Had they not done that, they would've crashed into Pulse and died, such a large amount of deaths would've thrown the door to the "Divinity beyond" open, thus giving the Fal'Cie an attempt to at least see the Maker.

[No.78]

Care to explain your theory?

[Future Esthar]

The anaclets aren´t totally true because Fal´Cie is corrupt.

The game log isn´t definitive.
"Barthandalus" dies but not his bird which is his true form.
I am sure he managed to manipulate the Sanctum to evacuate citizens to Pulse before he creates the illusion that it is being destroyed.
An holographic ceiling exists over Pulse which creates this illusion.



Care to explain your theory?


It´s explained on the "Orphans" thread.
Will bring it here on a nutshell.

[Goldenboko]

I can't debate with you because all of your arguments are just plain made up. Your theories are based on other theories, which are never supported in-game.

[Future Esthar]

The explanation is here No.78:


Alright,let me state the purpose of this thread.
On another thread I stated Cocoon is Pulse on the future.
For back up look the other thread.

Orphan is therefore Light+Serah+Snow+Fang+Vanille+Hope+Sazh+ Cid after they became Cie´th.
The theme of this game is free will.If they succumb to despair they will fuse and become Orphan.
Hence the name Orphan.They are orphans and could become Orphan.
Isn´t it strange that this "Fal´Cie " has a focus?
No.Barthandelus always wanted you to become Orphan and rule over the world.
But since Orphan was arrested on Cocoon´s shell (by means untold) and the characters didn´t fell into dispair he used them to release Orphan and wished that the latter defeated them.
Cocoon represents the dark future timeline.
This is exactly what happens on FFVIII.
Adel is an amalgamation of the main characters+Edea+Seifer.
Why are these characters chosen and not others?
I don´t know but Versus will probably explain that.



GoldenBoko,I can show that there is an holographic ceiling there.

[No.78]

Interesting but I highly doubt it.

[Future Esthar]

The game says Cocoon was made with fragment´s of Pulse technology.
That is false information from Cocoon Fal´Cie.
The "fragments" we see on Cocoon were always there.
Anima and the Vestige were always there for example.

[crazybayman]

IT HAS TO BE TRUE. CAUSE SNOW IS REALLY ZELL CAUSE HE HAS BLONDE HAIR AND PUNCHES. AND JUNCTIONS SHIVA. AND RAINES IS REALLY ROBIN WILLIAMS, CAUSE RAINES' FIRST NAME IS CID, AND SO IS KRAMER'S, AND CID KRAMER IS ROBIN WILLIAMS.

MORE TO FOLLOW.

[Cloudane]

Um... wow.

So clearly Serah = Orphan (S=O) because {insert crackpot theory here}

Makes you realise why things like the bible have so many crazy interpretations...

[Future Esthar]

The idea of a ceiling holographic wall is not farfetched.
The roof of Palamecia´s bridge for instance is seen on the game to be holographic.
You even see Disley using magic to make it transparent.It´s clearly seen the hexagonal cells of the roof.

[Goldenboko]

There's a difference between "this game is a fantasy it's possible" and "this is supported ingame."

[Future Esthar]

Explain it better please.It was there so it is supported ingame.

[Loony BoB]

I can only disagree with your theory as it goes against the very detail of the game. The game would be rendered pointless and pathetic if the entire story given to us was inaccurate. Also, while the analects can be pointed to as "written word of man" and therefore fallable, the DataLogs of the game itself are accurate throughout - particularly the DataLogs to do with enemy intel, which define Orphan as a fal'Cie.