About Nora (not FF8 theory)

[Future Esthar]

How is it that NORA team has the same name as Hope´s mother?
I don´t know.

[Goldenboko]

I love doing things like this when I write. Team NORA and Hope's mother having the same name is an example of dramatic irony. As the viewer, you are aware that Hope's mother and Snow's team have the same name, but Snow is not aware. This creates a situation where the audience is squinting at every situation where Snow does something he has no idea is going to upset Hope, but the audience does.

Shakespeare does this a lot, like at the end of Romeo and Juliet or throughout Macbeth.

[Del Murder]

I thought it was pretty cheesy.

[Goldenboko]

I thought it was pretty cheesy.

Well, yeah, Square's not quite Shakespeare, personally I appreciated the attempt.

[Future Esthar]

Hmmm..
Highly doubt it.
Am tempted to make theory but not here.

[Goldenboko]

Hmmm..
Highly doubt it.
Am tempted to make theory but not here.

Do you really find the need for every attempt at using literary concepts into storylines to be twisted into some theory that destroys the lit. aspects of games? :mad2:

[Future Esthar]

Don´t worry.No theory I said.
Still waiting for opinions different than yours.

[ChickenHeart]

Basically all what Gold said, SE tried to make it a coincidence i think, just didn't work :/

[Future Esthar]

Waiting

[arcanedude34]

You're not gonna get it dude. It's a coincidence. Not everything is a hint at some larger conspiracy that doesn't exist. Square isn't that smart, guy.

[VeloZer0]

I love doing things like this when I write. Team NORA and Hope's mother having the same name is an example of dramatic irony. As the viewer, you are aware that Hope's mother and Snow's team have the same name, but Snow is not aware. This creates a situation where the audience is squinting at every situation where Snow does something he has no idea is going to upset Hope, but the audience does.

I agree that it wasn't a coincidence, but not in some grand plan manner. I concur with Goldenboko's analysis.

[kotora]

Hmmm..
Highly doubt it.
Am tempted to make theory but not here.

Do you really find the need for every attempt at using literary concepts into storylines to be twisted into some theory that destroys the lit. aspects of games? :mad2:

That's just because you don't understand the underlying themes. Nora is a metaphor for oppression felt by the lower class.

[arcanedude34]

No, Nora is all the characters fused together from the future. It's all there in the datalogs, really.

[kotora]

No, Nora is all the characters fused together from the future. It's all there in the datalogs, really.

that would explain why moms are tough.

[Loony BoB]

Nora has the same name as NORA for the same reason that Hope has a name that has a dictionary definition. It makes for great puns. The main one, of course, will always be "The army's no match for NORA" - of course, the army killed Nora, so every time Snow says this to Hope, Hope gets really pissed off. And the audience cringe at how oblivious Snow is to just how Hope is interpreting his words.

[No.78]

Yeah I didn't like that. There's coincidence then there's NORA.

[Mo-Nercy]

Nora has the same name as NORA for the same reason that Hope has a name that has a dictionary definition. It makes for great puns. The main one, of course, will always be "The army's no match for NORA" - of course, the army killed Nora, so every time Snow says this to Hope, Hope gets really pissed off. And the audience cringe at how oblivious Snow is to just how Hope is interpreting his words.
This was a pretty good part of the story for me. You'd be telling Snow through the screen to shut his big yap before Hope stabs the smurf out of him.

Of course, it's not the best use of this particular literary device I've seen, but I can see what SE were trying to achieve. Not bad.

[kotora]

I didn't even notice that. Then again I forgot about Hope's mom as a character 10 seconds after she died.

[Ezme]

I remember her, mainly because I love her cardigan! Am very tempted to ask my grandma to make me one! Obv not in the cosplay sense but more the, I get cold a lot and it looks cool sense!

[Croyles]

Definitely dramatic irony, as everyone has said, and yeah, definitely no Shakespeare!

[Quindiana Jones]

Maybe Snow is actually Hope's father?

[Future Esthar]

Talking about irony,Nora is indeed a portuguese word.
It means "daughter-in-law".
LOL.Maybe Someone at Square knows portuguese?:)

[Cloudane]

Nora'lot to be read into this one I don't think. Coincidence for dramatic irony. It's a bit of a big coincidence, but I'd put that down to the realism of the writing - either way big coincidences do happen :)

[crazybayman]

Nora has the same name as NORA for the same reason that Hope has a name that has a dictionary definition. It makes for great puns. The main one, of course, will always be "The army's no match for NORA" - of course, the army killed Nora, so every time Snow says this to Hope, Hope gets really pissed off. And the audience cringe at how oblivious Snow is to just how Hope is interpreting his words.

This.

And everytime it happened, I just wanted Hope to grow a pair, man up, and tell him. But no, he had to be a big girl about it. "I'm not going to tell him yet, so I'll just act weird, and mad for no apparent reason. Hmph." Of course until Snow, after carrying Hope and protecting him, was hanging from the edge and vulnerable, and THEN Hope would just stab him to death to exact his revenge, being the coward he is.

They really should have made Fang a dude, and Hope a chick. Just like the writers changed Fang from a man to a woman, it would not surprise me if Hope was supposed to be a girl, and they changed her to a boy at the last minute, but kept all the female lines and emotions.

Anyways, back to "yet another retarded conspiracy topic". Future Esthar, are you waiting for someone to speculate that "OMG Nora is really the founder and leader of NORA"? If so, there is nothing in the game story-line to tell us this. I'm pretty sure the writers did it to add to Hope's anger, making his mother's tragedy more dramatic everytime Snow said "NORA".

[Cloudane]

They really should have made Fang a dude, and Hope a chick.

Gender stereotypes FTW. People would've loved that...

(i.e. I think it makes a nice change that the women are the tough ones in this game and the guys are the emotional ones. And I'm a guy.)

[Future Esthar]

You are really close crazybayman but I don´t want to debate this here.

[crazybayman]

They really should have made Fang a dude, and Hope a chick.

Gender stereotypes FTW. People would've loved that...
I would've.


(i.e. I think it makes a nice change that the women are the tough ones in this game and the guys are the emotional ones. And I'm a guy.)

See that's what drives me nuts. I cannot identify with She-Ra and sissy boys. Its like FFXII in a way, only thank god FFXII had Basch. And granted, FFXIII has Snow, but I dunno, he's the leader of NORA, yeah, but certainly not the leader of this party. AND HE DOES NOT WIELD TEH SWORD. That might be cliched, I know, but just about all the other FF's had a male hero with a sword, and it certainly always was a good characteristic of each installment.

[Future Esthar]

Every girl except Fang was emotional.Even Lightning though she doesn´t like to show it.

[crazybayman]

You are really close crazybayman but I don´t want to debate this here.

Yeah, but I'm telling you its NOT that.

[Future Esthar]

I said CLOSE not RIGHT

[Skyblade]

They really should have made Fang a dude, and Hope a chick.

Gender stereotypes FTW. People would've loved that...

(i.e. I think it makes a nice change that the women are the tough ones in this game and the guys are the emotional ones. And I'm a guy.)

A change? What games have you been playing lately? Strong women have been all over video games for quite a long time. As have whiny boys.

[Goldenboko]

Legit, main character woman have not though. At least not in the way that, A. It didn't give a choice for your single main lead to be either or B. It wasn't marketed with a male main lead anyway.

[crazybayman]

They really should have made Fang a dude, and Hope a chick.

Gender stereotypes FTW. People would've loved that...

(i.e. I think it makes a nice change that the women are the tough ones in this game and the guys are the emotional ones. And I'm a guy.)

A change? What games have you been playing lately? Strong women have been all over video games for quite a long time. As have whiny boys.
True. See Vaan and Tidus. However those installments made up for it, Tidus did kick a$$ and was a great fighter, and Vaan was offset by Basch. Hope is a big whiner, but on top of that, he's just a freakin' fairy who casts spells, and there's no one to really compensate for it.
This game needs a Basch, or an Auron.
Alright, maybe I'm beating a dead horse, now. I'll quit my b!tchin' about this :p

[Loony BoB]

Tidus was a girl, though. ;)

[crazybayman]

Tidus was a girl, though. ;)
ohhhh.....that's right! And she starred in Sleepless In Seattle!

Wait....that also means that Yuna is a lesbian! SWEET :D

[LowCaloriePie]

but on top of that, he's just a freakin' fairy who casts spells, and there's no one to really compensate for it.


Hey, that fairy is a necissity for most battles! :p

[Crop]

The game needed a strong male character. As in, a main character. I don't care about all this "Oh, it's nice to see a strong female lead!". Basch and Auron were cool, more big tough men plx.

[ANGRYWOLF]

Tidus was a girl, though. ;)

conduct unbecoming a moderator lol.

Tidus was ok, not the most dynamic character in an FF game but ok.

Better than Vaan imo.

Esher...lol..is starting too many of these types of threads.:tongue: