Barthandelus Japanese name

[Future Esthar]

Found out that in Japanese he is named Superpope.
Interesting.
It makes sense considering the names of some of the types of the sanctum army.

[Sephiroth]

His japanese name is "Barutoanderusu" - "Garensu Daisuri".

[Future Esthar]

People on the internet translate it as Superpope.

[Sephiroth]

People like those don't even know their own language good enough.

[Future Esthar]

So what is the real meaning?Barthandelus?

[Flying Arrow]

"Barthandelus" is actually an anagram of "Ultimecia" or so I've read.

[Goldenboko]

"Barthandelus" is actually an anagram of "Ultimecia" or so I've read.

There is no C in Barthandelus.

[Flying Arrow]

Well it probably works in Finnish or something.

[Vermachtnis]

Super Pope! Quick to the Popemobile!

[Future Esthar]

You misunderstand me.This is not a theory thread.I am only posting what I saw on the internet.
If you don´t believe post "Superpope" and "FFXIII" on Google.
So stop the kidding please.

[Goldenboko]

Most likely, Bart's name has no meaning, there where many people who bought the game early, before it's international release date, who didn't know the Japanese language well. You are talking about those people, who couldn't translate his name and thus dawned a nickname, "Superpope".

Internet =/= True.

[Lawr]

"Barthandelus" is actually an anagram of "Ultimecia" or so I've read.

There is no C in Barthandelus.

Aaaaand the joke flies over your head.

[Mo-Nercy]

"Barthandelus" is actually an anagram of "Ultimecia" or so I've read.

There is no C in Barthandelus.

Aaaaand the joke flies over your head.
There's no C in Ultimecia, either.. if you really think about it.

It all adds up, people.

[Future Esthar]

But there were many calling that to him.

[Goldenboko]

But there were many calling that to him.

And a lot of people are stupid. :)

[arcanedude34]

People call Sazh Chocobro. I call Orphan Oprah. It's just a fan-nickname.

[Future Esthar]

Yes,but it´s not possible they came all with exactly the same name is it?

[Loony BoB]

His japanese name is "Barutoanderusu" - "Garensu Daisuri".
Does that mean anything in particular? How does it translate to English?

[Sephiroth]

His japanese name is "Barutoanderusu" - "Garensu Daisuri".
Does that mean anything in particular? How does it translate to English?

That's just his japanese name. You cannot say how it will be translated generally because it is just a name. Often it depend on how you pronounce the english letter so Crisis Core's "Ka-n-se-ru" is translated "Kunsel", et cetera, but you cannot say you translate it all the same way, because Katakana are used for...yeah, names like I have explained. "Fuainaru Fuantashi - Final Fantasy".

I for example have called "Barthandelus" "Baltoanders" before he had his american/european translation. I thought the would translate him like that. Or "Gurenth Dysry".

[Loony BoB]

Oh, I thought the name might have more meaning. Never mind then. :)

According to the guide (and I'm only recalling from memory here) Barthandelus is used as a similar name to a Norse God of illusion or something, who often disguised himself as an owl or something.

[Sephiroth]

Oh, I thought the name might have more meaning. Never mind then. :)

If the name has a meaning I do not know it.

EDIT: Which is fitting because of his Mech Owl "Minerva".

[Ezme]

I think I shall be refering to bathy as superpope from now on! :p:D

[Shlup]

But there were many calling that to him.

Because it's funny.

[Croyles]

Its an internet 'trope', which is like the stages before it becomes a meme or a cliche.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

His japanese name is "Barutoanderusu" - "Garensu Daisuri".
Does that mean anything in particular? How does it translate to English?

That's just his japanese name. You cannot say how it will be translated generally because it is just a name. Often it depend on how you pronounce the english letter so Crisis Core's "Ka-n-se-ru[/b]" is translated "Kunsel", et cetera, but you cannot say you translate it all the same way, because Katakana are used for...yeah, names like I have explained. "Fuainaru Fuantashi - Final Fantasy".

I for example have called "Barthandelus" "Baltoanders" before he had his american/european translation. I thought the would translate him like that. Or "Gurenth Dysry".
Technically ファイナルファンタシ is "Fainaru Fantashi". For it to be "Fuainaru Fuantashi", it'd be written フアナルフアンタシ. The difference is slight, but significant in pronunciation. ファ is read as "fa" and フア is "fua". ファ (fa)、フィ (fi)、フェ (fe)、フォ (fo)、ヴァ (va)、ヴィ (vi)、ヴェ (ve)、ヴォ (vo)、and ティ (ti) are commonly used in katakana to represent sounds not native to the Japanese language (in this case "f" and "v", though at times for "v" they will use the "b" sound)

According to Wikipedia:


Barthandelus (バルトアンデルス, Barutoanderusu?, Baldanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldanders) in Japanese version)

Apparently, Baldanders is a Germanic creature that represents the constant changing of both nature and society and is a shapeshifter.

[Sephiroth]

...

Thanks, I know japanese>_> I have written it like that to make it easier to understand and the japanese name is not "Baldanders". It is just another translation, because the original japanese name has his "o" from "to" and his "u"s from "ru" and "su", et cetera. Plus the "to" of Barthandelus has no umlaut so it is no "do", it is still a "to". And it is "Fu" and "Fua" because the first Katakana of "Final" and "Fantasy" is a "hu", which is pronounced like an "f" and of course you do not pronounce the "u", at least often.

EDIT: Not really. His name in other languages is "Baldanders" and in japanese he is called "Barutoanderusu", and not "Baldanders". That's like you would say Sephiroth's japanese name is "Sephiroth" and it simply is not. Should "Barutoanderusu" the japanese version of Baldanders? This is possible. But "Baldanders" itself is not his japanese name.

And actually using Wikipedia in a discussion is not very good. People can edit what they want. So it is possible he could be "Baldanders", but the japanese version is definitely not "Baldanders".

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Actually, it doesn't make it easier to understand considering the most prevalent form of romanization is the Hepburn system, moreover the wapuro system recognizes ファ as "fa" not "fua", as well as the Hepburn system. Using the wapuro system of IME, if you type "fua" you get "フア" not "ファ". So to say that transliterating ファ as "fua" is helpful is pretty false, since using Wapuro, you'd either have to type "fa", "fula" or "fuxa". The latter two have little resemblance to the phonetic intention of ファ, which is the sound "fa". The purpose of ファ is present the non-Japanese sound of "fa" because katakana is used for foreign words (and by extension sounds). Even the case of you saying that "フ" is romanized as "hu" is inconsistent since you were previously relying on a different romanization system where earlier you used フ as "fu". My point being, no matter how you split it, "fua" will always be フア to an English speaker using IME input which is based on the Wapuro romanization which itself borrows from the Hepburn as well as other systems. So to say using "fua" makes it easier to understand "ファ" seems like a very weak argument considering the prevalent forms of romanization used in the English language.

I said according to Wikipedia that his Japanese name comes from "Baldanders" which is not a far stretch from バルトアンデルス despite there being not diacritical marks on the ト, which is really the only flaw in the argument. Especially if you consider the fact that as BoB said that n the strategy guide it said the name came from a Nordic deity. The Nordic language is a Northern Germanic language. So the possibility is quite strong, but I'd have to see it from an official guide to be sure. Also, Barthy's (my nick for him) ability to shape shift between human-like form and his fal'Cie form does lend it to the mythos surrounding the Baldanders. I have yet to see a proper citation, but the association between the two seems common enough given a quick Google search. Apparently, in the Spanish as well as the Italian versions, his name is Baldanders as well. So the evidence seems to be stack against you.

[Future Esthar]

It makes sense he is called Superpope considering the higher sanctum troops has names like Sanctum Archangel,Inquisitrix,Templar,etc...

[Goldenboko]

It makes sense he is called Superpope considering the higher sanctum troops has names like Sanctum Archangel,Inquisitrix,Templar,etc...

Yes, it also makes sense for Kuja to be called thong dude, because he looks like one, doesn't make it anything more than a fan-dub. You really think square would make an official name SUPER POPE. We're talking grade A comic mischief with a side of lawsuit.

[Shlup]

It makes sense he is called Superpope considering the higher sanctum troops has names like Sanctum Archangel,Inquisitrix,Templar,etc...

Are you honest to god still convinced that there's any possibility that Super Pope is any more than a fan-made nickname, or are you just dicking around?

[Future Esthar]

Or that may be what inspired people to name him that.
I just stated the name makes sense on the context.I said nothing about it being the oficial name.

[Goldenboko]

The name makes sense, because he's dressed up like the freaking Pope.

[Shlup]

Well, yeah, it makes sense. People don't usually make up nicknames out of nothing. It's just a funny name.

[McLovin']

this thread is jokes. too funny.

[Prancing Mad]

One thing is for sure. I wish they had called him superpope in english.

[Future Esthar]

Yeah:)
Looks more like an Arabian overlord to me!

[theundeadhero]

He... doesn't look anything like an arabian overlord.
He looks like a mix between The Pope and Emperor Palpatine. That's why some people call him Superpope and others call him Emperor Palpatine. Saying that has to be his real name because people on the internet call him that is exactly the same as saying his real name is Emperor Palpatine because that's what all my friends call him.

[Sephiroth]

He... doesn't look anything like an arabian overlord.
He looks like a mix between The Pope and Emperor Palpatine. That's why some people call him Superpope and others call him Emperor Palpatine. Saying that has to be his real name because people on the internet call him that is exactly the same as saying his real name is Emperor Palpatine because that's what all my friends call him.

Indeed. I call him Emperor Sidious as well.

[Future Esthar]

Who is Emperor Palpatine?

[Sephiroth]

Who is Emperor Palpatine?

The Master of Darth Vader and antagonist of Star Wars?

Dysley and Ian McDiarmid (Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious):

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6961/emperordysley.png

[Future Esthar]

It looks nothing like Palpatine.
Palpatine looks lmore like a scary monk if I remember him right.
And his face is white.
Unless his true form is revealed on recent Star Wars.(Didn´t watch them).

[Sephiroth]

It looks nothing like Palpatine.
Palpatine looks lmore like a scary monk if I remember him right.
And his face is white.
Unless his true form is revealed on recent Star Wars.(Didn´t watch them).

It doesn't matter what you say because he obiously reminds many people of Palpatine and so he and his whole appearance is similiar to Palpatine's appearance.

And it is interesting how you can say Ian Mc Diarmid doesn't look like Palpatine as well, because Palpatine is Ian McDiarmid and this picture is a Star Wars picture.

[Future Esthar]

I wasn´t talking about Ian McDiarmid.

I give you that.I hadn´t watched Star Wars for a long time.
Not even a fan.

[Sephiroth]

There are many things why Dysley is similiar to the Emperor.

And Square likes to use Star Wars-things. Like "Wedge" and "Biggs" or "Nanaki" which is just an Anagramm of "Anakin".

[Future Esthar]

Ian is kinda similar to what I remember of the emperor.The black cape I remember but not the face.I think it was not a human face.

[Sephiroth]

You mean this face of the emperor, first shown in Star Wars III Revenge of the Sith when Mace Windu reflects the Emperor's Dark Lightning Bolt:

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5009/emperors.jpg

[Future Esthar]

I don´t remember the film but it looks ALOT like him.