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BarelySeeAtAll
06-29-2010, 06:02 PM
So I was thinking about my country today, and seriously started to ask myself what's so special about it. I mean, when I think of America, say, I think of the land of dreams and whatnot - land of milk and honey..or something like that. I've always thought of it as one of those places you had to go to before you died. And loads of places have really nice accents, and usually bear good looking people with nice skin :mad:.

What do you foreigners tend to think about when you think of "England". No football talk please. It's embarrassing. If you (for some reason) want to move to England or come on holiday, why exactly? Take me back home with you :( I'm here against my will!!

If you reside in England atm, do you like it here? Why, you madman. Would you rather be somewhere else?

:greenie: What does this craphole England mean to you?

Miriel
06-29-2010, 06:03 PM
Pigeons. Bad weather. Gordon Ramsay.

qwertysaur
06-29-2010, 06:04 PM
Random weather, teatime, place where a lot of people on this website live, more teatime with random weather. :p

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:06 PM
country fulla twats

BarelySeeAtAll
06-29-2010, 06:07 PM
country fulla twats


:mad2: Well that was uncalled for. We are also known for not backing down!

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:10 PM
Allow me to expand.

A country fulla twats. so many twats in fact they had to relocate some of their twats here in Ireland and cause centuries of violence, hence reinforcing their title of twats.

And you backed down fast enough against Germany on Sunday didn't you.


PS: Don't let WWII fool you. It was the English Channel, The Russians & the Yanks that stopped Germany invading.

sir helix
06-29-2010, 06:11 PM
my heritage, tofee, teatime, kings, queens, guilatines, doctor who and monty python

Aerith's Knight
06-29-2010, 06:12 PM
Tea and bad teeth.

LunarWeaver
06-29-2010, 06:13 PM
The shows Skins, The Inbetweeners, and Beautiful People. I like to think they accurately represent the country. :bigsmile:

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:15 PM
The shows Skins, The Inbetweeners, and Beautiful People. I like to think they accurately represent the country. :bigsmile:

They accurately represent the UK in as much as you accurately represent the Mid West of America.

Jings
06-29-2010, 06:15 PM
Pigeons. Bad weather. Gordon Ramsay.

Gordon Ramsay's Scottish actually. :p

aquatius
06-29-2010, 06:15 PM
I'm going to do this as a haiku:

Rain and obese men
No special food or outfit
Chavs want to stab you

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:16 PM
What's with everyone using Haikus alovasudden?

LunarWeaver
06-29-2010, 06:17 PM
The shows Skins, The Inbetweeners, and Beautiful People. I like to think they accurately represent the country. :bigsmile:

They accurately represent the UK in as much as you accurately represent the Mid West of America.

I will never allow my fantasy bubble created by watching British comedies to be popped.

~*~Celes~*~
06-29-2010, 06:18 PM
Awesome people that are some of my best friends ever :) Also, from what I've seen of your country, very beautiful countrysides. Top Gear is pretty awesome as well :D And Hugh Laurie, Billie Pieper, lots of decent celebs. And your architecture...beautiful.

NeoCracker
06-29-2010, 06:19 PM
There's really hot British chicks.

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:20 PM
GORDON RAMSEY IS SCOTTISH PEOPLE. SCOTTISH. HILLS HEATHER AND BEARDED MEN IN SKIRTS! JESUS H CHRIST

~*~Celes~*~
06-29-2010, 06:21 PM
GORDON RAMSEY IS SCOTTISH PEOPLE. SCOTTISH. HILLS HEATHER AND BEARDED MEN IN SKIRTS! JESUS H CHRIST

he's so cute when he's angry :aimkiss:

Bunny
06-29-2010, 06:22 PM
England means always having something to mock.

Jings
06-29-2010, 06:22 PM
Incidentally, when I think of England, I just picture Scotland with different accents. Oh and a worse football team :p

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:25 PM
England means always having something to mock.

As well as your tiny penis or instead of?

Psychotic
06-29-2010, 06:25 PM
PS: Don't let WWII fool you. It was the English Channel, The Russians & the Yanks that stopped Germany invading.The RA smurfing F were absolute beasts and I'll not hear otherwise. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain) The invasion was halted before the Yanks and Russians decided to get involved - the Nazis couldn't even complete phase 1 of their plan.

Bunny
06-29-2010, 06:25 PM
Stop flirting with me, Cuch.

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:26 PM
PS: Don't let WWII fool you. It was the English Channel, The Russians & the Yanks that stopped Germany invading.The RA smurfing F were absolute beasts and I'll not hear otherwise. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain)

Propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda)

It was the English Channel that stopped the Nazi War Machine Psymon. You honestly believe they would have stopped cause you had an Air Force?



Stop flirting with me, Cuch.

NEVER!

qwertysaur
06-29-2010, 06:32 PM
PS: Don't let WWII fool you. It was the English Channel, The Russians & the Yanks that stopped Germany invading.The RA smurfing F were absolute beasts and I'll not hear otherwise. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain) The invasion was halted before the Yanks and Russians decided to get involved - the Nazis couldn't even complete phase 1 of their plan.
Also you did manage to crack the enigma machine, a very difficult feat. (It was helped by a stupid officer who would send the same exact message using one every single day though :p)

Psychotic
06-29-2010, 06:33 PM
Propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda)LOL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rofl)

Also, yes, I do believe that because of this PROPAGANDA!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion) right here. Destroying the air force was the first part of their invasion plan. And they failed at that. They weren't just blowing up airfields and radar stations for the heck of it, you know.

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:34 PM
English Channel. The FIRST thing I listed.

rubah
06-29-2010, 06:35 PM
The UK is that quaint place over the pond that is pretty grey and green, and is mostly similar, but in some ways wholly foreign.

Psychotic
06-29-2010, 06:38 PM
English Channel. The FIRST thing I listed.Didn't seem to stop the Allied forces going the other way on June 6th, did it? ;)

NorthernChaosGod
06-29-2010, 06:39 PM
:bou::bou::bou::bou:ty weather, bad food, tea, and bad teeth. :jess:

But apparently the average breast size is going up, so things aren't all bad. :monster:

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:40 PM
Nope, thanks to American money and crafts. I still have not heard you admit Germany would have owned you if it was not for the Channel, Yanks & Russians.

Raistlin
06-29-2010, 06:43 PM
Bad food, bad teeth, police state, and still being better than the French.

Oh yeah, and Gordon Ramsay.

Chris
06-29-2010, 06:44 PM
I am not British, but these are the things that come to mind:

- Margaret Thatcher
- Harry Potter
- Scones
- Tea

I know. Thatcher and Potter having tea and scones? Pretty creepy, if you ask me. :greenie:

So, what does Britain mean to me? Well, I have a sister living there, but not much else.

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:48 PM
Bad food, bad teeth, police state, and still being better than the French.

Oh yeah, and Gordon Ramsay.

You :bou::bou::bou::bou:

Psychotic
06-29-2010, 06:50 PM
Nope, thanks to American money and crafts. I still have not heard you admit Germany would have owned you if it was not for the Channel, Yanks & Russians.DID YOU KNOW? There were more troops from the British Empire involved in D-Day than American ones! :eek::eek::eek: (thanks Canada, you guys rule)

Also, not admitting that because it's false. Germany wouldn't have been defeated if it wasn't for the Russian and Americans, absolutely not. But would Britain have been invaded? Would it bollocks! Germany tried, and they failed. And they failed before either of the two great powers got involved.

But yeah, I get it, Britain is the WORST COUNTRY EVER because of the :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty stuff it has done in Ireland and therefore anything good it did never actually happened. :monster:

Raistlin
06-29-2010, 06:54 PM
Bad food, bad teeth, police state, and still being better than the French.

Oh yeah, and Gordon Ramsay.

You :bou::bou::bou::bou:

I love you too, Cuchy.

PeneloRatsbane
06-29-2010, 06:56 PM
England is my home, its been good to me and I love the weird sense of humour we have and our great comedy shows.
i love England and i'm glad i live here.

qwertysaur
06-29-2010, 06:57 PM
My Grandpa was part of D-Day :p

The battle of Britain was an unexpected loss to Germany. He then made his biggest mistake and invaded Russia. History's biggest lesson is you do not want to ever invade Russia. Napoleon also tried and failed a hundred thirty years earlier. In fact the only one to actually succeed in a war invading that area was Genghis Khan, and he came from the other side to invade.

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 06:58 PM
Nope, thanks to American money and crafts. I still have not heard you admit Germany would have owned you if it was not for the Channel, Yanks & Russians.DID YOU KNOW? There were more troops from the British Empire involved in D-Day than American ones! :eek::eek::eek: (thanks Canada, you guys rule)

Also, not admitting that because it's false. Germany wouldn't have been defeated if it wasn't for the Russian and Americans, absolutely not. But would Britain have been invaded? Would it bollocks! Germany tried, and they failed. And they failed before either of the two great powers got involved.

But yeah, I get it, Britain is the WORST COUNTRY EVER because of the :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty stuff it has done in Ireland and therefore anything good it did never actually happened. :monster:

Why are you again ignoring the part where I typed the word 'Channel'?

PS: Britain is not the worst country. Far from it. I was winding BarelySeeHerAss up but it seems to have made you all vewy vewy angwry. Do you want a hug?

Psychotic
06-29-2010, 06:59 PM
English Channel. The FIRST thing I listed.Didn't seem to stop the Allied forces going the other way on June 6th, did it? ;)I can just keep quoting this for you if you like?

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 07:02 PM
Nope, thanks to American money and crafts.

Old Manus
06-29-2010, 07:12 PM
Don't make me bust out the SRSLY U GUYS macro!

Psychotic
06-29-2010, 07:19 PM
Nope, thanks to American money and crafts. I still have not heard you admit Germany would have owned you if it was not for the Channel, Yanks & Russians.DID YOU KNOW? There were more troops from the British Empire involved in D-Day than American ones! :eek::eek::eek: (thanks Canada, you guys rule)Oh and as far as the naval side goes, the Royal Navy led that and the majority of the ships and sailors were British. Feel free to look up "Operation Neptune" if you'd like to know more. :aimkiss:

Eagerly awaiting your next post insisting that the Nazis invaded Britain using giant mecha unicorns and it was only through the power of Michael Jordan's ace basketball skills that the British people were saved from being crushed into dirt like the filthy pigs that they are.

Goldenboko
06-29-2010, 07:21 PM
& the Yanks

'sup?

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 07:25 PM
Nope, thanks to American money and crafts. I still have not heard you admit Germany would have owned you if it was not for the Channel, Yanks & Russians.DID YOU KNOW? There were more troops from the British Empire involved in D-Day than American ones! :eek::eek::eek: (thanks Canada, you guys rule)Oh and as far as the naval side goes, the Royal Navy led that and the majority of the ships and sailors were British. Feel free to look up "Operation Neptune" if you'd like to know more. :aimkiss:

Eagerly awaiting your next post insisting that the Nazis invaded Britain using giant mecha unicorns and it was only through the power of Michael Jordan's ace basketball skills that the British people were saved from being crushed into dirt like the filthy pigs that they are.

Crazy Kid.


The Royal Navy was the biggest navy in the world at that time. However, if the channel was not there, it would not have mattered. Germany's navy was miniscule due to the Treaty of Versaille's restrictions.

But as far as landing craft and motherships FOR landinmg craft, they all had to be made during the war. They did not really exist before then due to their specialist role. These were mostly paid for by US dollars as Britain, was broke.

If I had to side with anyone then I guess 'd be a Russian. 'm a raging socialist. Not so far left that I wouldn't allow you to own your own tractors mind, but still. Anti Facist Anti Capitalist.

~*~Celes~*~
06-29-2010, 07:25 PM
Eagerly awaiting your next post insisting that the Nazis invaded Britain using giant mecha unicorns and it was only through the power of Michael Jordan's ace basketball skills that the British people were saved from being crushed into dirt like the filthy pigs that they are.

:lol:

Rye
06-29-2010, 07:43 PM
My perception of England is COMPLETELY different from what it was before I came here. I thought it was quaint and grey with polite people. Not true.

In my 6+ months of living within England, here are my thoughts:

England is inconvenient and has rude children and I want to slap them. I like the weather, but everything closes at 5 pm and the people are extremely rude in the built-up Southern areas. The food gives me the runs, constantly. (TMI!!!) When people go out, the girls wear skirts and dresses so short their clams show. I was shocked. They wear this even in snowy weather. And I'm from NYC originally, so I'm not from a quaint area by any means.

I've been laughed at often for being overly polite. I had thought coming here that I would have to be on my best manners to fit in, but it's not so. Saying "have a nice day" is considered an overkill here, which is bizarre for me.

With that said, all of my best friends and people I love the most are from this country, so I keep find myself coming back. When I'm in the Midlands, I quite like England overall, but I hated the South, as I said. My favorite area in England is Leicester, by far, which people would probably find hilariously bizarre.

aquatius
06-29-2010, 07:50 PM
Rye, I think your problem with politeness may be the divide between America and England of positive and negative politeness. That is, you Americans are positively polite, meaning you're more open and friendly, where as we're negatively polite and so try and avoid conflict and making people lose face as much as possible, which can seem a bit aloof.

NorthernChaosGod
06-29-2010, 07:57 PM
PsyxCuch for Cutest Couple '11!

Inferno
06-29-2010, 08:05 PM
Muse
Coldplay
Queen
The Beatles
Radiohead
Pink Floyd

Madonna
06-29-2010, 08:05 PM
England is my favorite swear word!

I am sure it has other meanings, connotations, or significance, but none of it applies to me!

qwertysaur
06-29-2010, 08:06 PM
PsyxCuch for Cutest Couple '11!
Why '11? :p

Chloe.
06-29-2010, 08:07 PM
I live in the South of England and have never really been anywhere North, so I can't comment on that. I don't think it's that bad down here, it's probably the least violent place in the country, it's pretty boring but the little part where I live in my city has nice people, that is until you go over to where my school is where it's full of chavs and pikeys. :stare:

Crop
06-29-2010, 08:13 PM
A fine place to live, we did a grand old part in the war too! God bless the RAF.

I like where I live, it's supposed to be an 'ard area, but I give the good ol' howdy do to people when they pass and they return it in kind with a tip of the cap. I then trot on home for tea and crumpets, jolly good! (all serious).

seiferalmasy2
06-29-2010, 08:15 PM
Allow me to expand.

A country fulla twats. so many twats in fact they had to relocate some of their twats here in Ireland and cause centuries of violence, hence reinforcing their title of twats.

And you backed down fast enough against Germany on Sunday didn't you.


PS: Don't let WWII fool you. It was the English Channel, The Russians & the Yanks that stopped Germany invading.

What an ignorant person you are. We all know that the war was not won or lost by 1 nation but the collective efforts of many, mainly Russia but England served a massive prt of the war effort with its navy, army and air force. As well as our involvment with Enigma and intelligence.

People like Churchill stood up to Hitler long before he went to war and had Chamberlain done the same we never would have had war. Russia did not enter the war until Germany had broken its non aggression pact.

I can see already the mind blowing ignorance that you possess to disregard the efforts of England and try to paint it as if we did nothing in that war, it is not only an insult to me and my country but to the thousands who died, you ignorant sack.

As for Ireland, a country divided and yet you choose to play the blame game. protestants, Catholics and all the other troubles over there are Ireland doing, and yet I see the Irish parking down the road from me time and again in their caravan's. It can't be that bad here.

Tell you what, before you come online and slag our war dead off indirectly, get a history book and use your brain for once in your sorry life.

It is frustrating when people try to say England played a minor part when it is clear we didn't.

Onto other issues, England has become a dirty word because people want us to say sorry for 10000000 things from the past, but you may as well start blaming apes for hunting the banana, it is irrelevant.

England created a number of sports including football and Cricket, sports people enjoy yet still knock our country. We were and will be again, pioneers. My country has done a lot for this world, as much as people like to knock us for things we aren't proud of.

In the end, like the poster above, it all comes down to jealousy of my country. USA get their fair share of jealousy too, as does any nation that has pioneered, led or advanced mankind.

My country has nothing to be sorry for. Everyone should be grateful that we were around. I won't deny England today has problems, sadly caused by this defeatist attitude and poor politicians. Society as a whole has dumbed down and England as it was is lost, but it will be back.

I am grateful to live here, I suggest the poster above just learn to deal with us, and if he hates us so much, stop playing football and everything else we invented.

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 08:18 PM
Allow me to expand.

A country fulla twats. so many twats in fact they had to relocate some of their twats here in Ireland and cause centuries of violence, hence reinforcing their title of twats.

And you backed down fast enough against Germany on Sunday didn't you.


PS: Don't let WWII fool you. It was the English Channel, The Russians & the Yanks that stopped Germany invading.

What an ignorant person you are. We all know that the war was not won or lost by 1 nation but the collective efforts of many, mainly Russia but England served a massive prt of the war effort with its navy, army and air force. As well as our involvment with Enigma and intelligence.

People like Churchill stood up to Hitler long before he went to war and had Chamberlain done the same we never would have had war. Russia did not enter the war until Germany had broken its non aggression pact.

I can see already the mind blowing ignorance that you possess to disregard the efforts of England and try to paint it as if we did nothing in that war, it is not only an insult to me and my country but to the thousands who died, you ignorant sack.

As for Ireland, a country divided and yet you choose to play the blame game. protestants, Catholics and all the other troubles over there are Ireland doing, and yet I see the Irish parking down the road from me time and again in their caravan's. It can't be that bad here.

Tell you what, before you come online and slag our war dead off indirectly, get a history book and use your brain for once in your sorry life.

Oh dear. Mosley has arrived into the debate.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/03/article-1023946-00472062000004B0-349_468x548.jpg

~*~Celes~*~
06-29-2010, 08:18 PM
My perception of England is COMPLETELY different from what it was before I came here. I thought it was quaint and grey with polite people. Not true.

In my 6+ months of living within England, here are my thoughts:

England is inconvenient and has rude children and I want to slap them. I like the weather, but everything closes at 5 pm and the people are extremely rude in the built-up Southern areas. The food gives me the runs, constantly. (TMI!!!) When people go out, the girls wear skirts and dresses so short their clams show. I was shocked. They wear this even in snowy weather. And I'm from NYC originally, so I'm not from a quaint area by any means.

I've been laughed at often for being overly polite. I had thought coming here that I would have to be on my best manners to fit in, but it's not so. Saying "have a nice day" is considered an overkill here, which is bizarre for me.

With that said, all of my best friends and people I love the most are from this country, so I keep find myself coming back. When I'm in the Midlands, I quite like England overall, but I hated the South, as I said. My favorite area in England is Leicester, by far, which people would probably find hilariously bizarre.

From what I experienced in Manchester/Blackpool area (though I didn't go out much when i was there), people were pretty well polite and friendly, even the immigrations officer when she wasn't interrogating me. It probably really is just the location, same as any place.

For example, when I went to NYC, I accidentally bumped into someone while briskly walking to my next destination and I apologized but she just barreled on passed me. Around where I live, a smile, quick apology, and a shared laugh, then departure when such a thing happens.

Then again, NYC is a very busy place, and Northwest Ohio as a whole is not in the least :redface:



PsyxCuch for Cutest Couple '11!
Why '11? :p

I don't think he knows about the fact that ciddies happen twice a year :D

Rye
06-29-2010, 08:24 PM
Allow me to expand.

A country fulla twats. so many twats in fact they had to relocate some of their twats here in Ireland and cause centuries of violence, hence reinforcing their title of twats.

And you backed down fast enough against Germany on Sunday didn't you.


PS: Don't let WWII fool you. It was the English Channel, The Russians & the Yanks that stopped Germany invading.

What an ignorant person you are. We all know that the war was not won or lost by 1 nation but the collective efforts of many, mainly Russia but England served a massive prt of the war effort with its navy, army and air force. As well as our involvment with Enigma and intelligence.

People like Churchill stood up to Hitler long before he went to war and had Chamberlain done the same we never would have had war. Russia did not enter the war until Germany had broken its non aggression pact.

I can see already the mind blowing ignorance that you possess to disregard the efforts of England and try to paint it as if we did nothing in that war, it is not only an insult to me and my country but to the thousands who died, you ignorant sack.

As for Ireland, a country divided and yet you choose to play the blame game. protestants, Catholics and all the other troubles over there are Ireland doing, and yet I see the Irish parking down the road from me time and again in their caravan's. It can't be that bad here.

Tell you what, before you come online and slag our war dead off indirectly, get a history book and use your brain for once in your sorry life.

Seriously? We've spoken to you consistently for the way you've spoken to members so insultingly. You can't politely debate with others. We've already given you your final warning. You contribute nothing positive. Sorry, but you're banned now. I hope you can find a forum to post in where they tolerate rude conversation.

Take care,
Rye

Ignore this one, anyway, guys. Carry on and behave yourselves.

EDIT: Oh, and I definitely agree with the politeness of the people in Manchester, Celes! The more North I go in England, the nicer people are. The immigration woman in Manchester was positively sweet. People are really nice in the Midlands too. I guess my points really just applied to the Reading/London area. I really dislike it there. XD

Dreddz
06-29-2010, 08:33 PM
People who love England probably haven't traveled much. As I type this all I can see out of my window is grey skies, grey towerblocks and a few shady characters loitering around my house. Kind of sums up England in a nutshell really.

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 08:36 PM
Meh. My ex-wife thought the same thing as you Rye (she was American too....I guess she still is).

Her über politeness gets looks BUT she did think people here were friendly & approachable SOCIALLY but were not as great when working? if that makes sense.

AMERICANS ARE MORE POLITE IN RETAIL STORES. Actually, when I went to Abercrombie or AE or somethin. They the staff annoyed me. LEAVE ME ALONE IF I WANT SOMETHING I WILL WALK UP TO YOU AND ASK.

Rodarian
06-29-2010, 08:36 PM
Rye and her powers!!! *is dazzled*


I kinda agree with Rye that the southern part is very rude and the girls do wear micro skirts in cold weather..Hell girls did that in toronto as well so its not really that much of a shocker....

Good lord I remember my brother shouting at the gates of Queen's palace asking her if she's in, and if he can have a cup of tea with her! '_';

Iceglow
06-29-2010, 08:39 PM
First up...please click HERE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIo7mzjmsik&feature=related)

Ok now we're setting the mood correct for this post. Cuch I love you normally but right now you're talking so much outta your ass when you speak I see right through you like a damn polo mint.

Going in to world war 2 which btw, England initiated because we refused to back down over the ultimatum of "Invade Poland and well it's war" England had a much smaller military force than Germany at the start of both world wars however England was world class in terms of military size. We were in fact THE most professional army in the world at the time. Our airforce rightfully scared the crap out of the Lufftwaffe because whilst they had the machines and the pilots to launch a blitzkrieg (which translates literally to lightning strike) which could crush the opposition of a country in a matter of hours or days. (look at how fast the blitzkrieg tactic worked against France, Poland, Austria and other nations in Europe which fell to the Nazi war machine) and the tactics to win the british RAF had something what made their previous successes moot, they had radar, planes on an equal playing field and more experience than any of the previous airforces the lufftwaffe had come across in the war so far. They also were fighting for their homes, their families and I don't know about you but if I was flying for that? Knowing do or die, victory or your family could be blown to hell? I would fly my smurfing ass off regardless of whether it was safe to do so and if I made it back alive well that'd be a bonus.

England never fell to the Germans and not because Hitler didn't try, he failed because he wanted to use the same tactic as had worked on mainland europe on England. Bomb us in to a submissive state (infrastructure and industry was his primary targets and the morale of the populace a close secondary) and then march in the tanks and infantry. His tactic failed at the get go because even discounting the fact that he made his foolish move to attack Russia at this time too (you don't fight Russia and America at the same time, you get them to fight each other and mop up the survivors ~ Quote in the Tom Clancy book The Sum of All Fears says this nicely, though the quote easily can be changed to the west or England considering the time point we were talking about, Russian strength lay in numbers of "disposable" troops they could basically force in to taking and holding objectives by sheer force of bodies and will, British strength lay in tactics and equipment) Russian forces didn't really press Germany back from Stalingrad until after D-Day when Hitler was forced to move more and more infantry away from the eastern front to protect Berlin from the advancing allied forces to his west. Though Russia did force the Germans out of Russia and all the way back to Poland they did not do so alone. Eventually the men of Russia would have been exhausted and the Germans would have won had it not been for D-Day which is way after the Germans had failed to defeat the English, in fact by then the war was all but over one way or another he was already defeated.

England succeeded where others failed not just because of the channel but because they were professionals who realized the value of the tactical withdrawl from Dunkirk and who had saved their planes and kept their pilots training for such an occassion. Our pilots were as good as they could get, their training solid and whilst the tactics weren't always sound we had more victories in the air than any other country fighting against the Nazi warmachine.

I will also point out that if England had fallen to the Nazi warmachine, just how long do you believe your precious Ireland would've lasted? I'd measure it in the number of hours it would take for Hitler to have his planes refuelled and reloaded and some ships on the otherside of the country to invade you I'll give it 24 hours from official surrender of England to the defeat of Ireland. That is if Ireland didn't surrender immediately upon England falling to the Germans.

With units like the SAS, SBS, Ghurka's and the Para's we still are one of the most professional and powerful armies in the world even though we are still much smaller than armies of many countries. God forbid being on the receiving end of such forces even in modern warfare, Just look to our recent historical victories in theaters where we fought alone. Our parachute regiment earnt a truly fearsome reputation against the Argentinian's in the Falklands war. Hell we have the Ghurka's and frankly the idea of pissing them off makes me more afraid than the idea of pissing the SAS or SBS off. Our special forces for years have educated and cross trained other nations special forces including those of America, Germany and Austrailia (all of whom are known for having some of the toughest special forces in the world but they still have a healthy respect for the training our SAS and SBS boys go through to be the best)

Ofcourse Cuch you could be trolling us brits or you could just be acting like an ass but just because the irish got the raw end of a deal you gotta think that without us, you'd be speaking as much german as any of us.


On topic now...

England to me is home, I've travelled to a few countries now and whilst yes, I could probably live somewhere else and enjoy it England is home. I laugh when people like Dennis ect say bad breath because yeah some people do but so do people in their countries too and believe me having served enough tourists I can tell you aside from old people, the smelliest are always tourists :P

I don't always like England at times I wish I could just flee to any other place on earth as it could be better than here. However I know if I went there and done that I would in all likely see that "the grass is always greener on the otherside" visiting a country is very different from living in one and whilst many people visit America ask them how many of them would want to actually live there, to abide by the laws and to have the same opportunities as the americans there. Ask them if they'd like to give up things like the NHS (bad mouth it all we like, we get world class medical care for "free" just by paying our taxes which really aren't even the highest in Europe) most people would say no.

Cuchulainn
06-29-2010, 08:40 PM
http://dummidumbwit.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/2008-10-30-troll.jpg

Footnote: I do actually know a LOT about WWI and WWII and the inter war years, I'm even sourced in books I'm that epic.

I was, however, using my knowledge to convinvingly wind people up.

I stand by my position, however, that if it was not for the English Channel, Hitler would have swept through France, Belgium, Holland AND Britain in May 1940.

The British cause was helped by Hitler in the Battle of Britain when he switched from bombing RAF facilities and ports to bombing cities in response to the RAF bombing of Berloin. RAF papers stated that it was on its knees until then.

I am not taking ANYTHING away from the heroic deeds of the British back then. Of course I'm not. I'm making an objective viewpoint that is hard to argue against. Churchhill said in 1940 'Thank God for the French Army'. It was huge, well equipped but badly run. The German's cut throuigh it like knife through butter. In 1940 Britain was struggling almost everywhere. She had inadequate tanks, an aging Navy and an air force on its knees. I'm merely stating Hitler's forces would have oberrun the UK if that land mass was still there joining it to Europe.


Ireland? We've always been an Island.

Rodarian
06-29-2010, 09:13 PM
Rye and her powers!!! *is dazzled*


I kinda agree with Rye that the southern part is very rude and the girls do wear micro skirts in cold weather..Hell girls did that in toronto as well so its not really that much of a shocker....

Good lord I remember my brother shouting at the gates of Queen's palace asking her if she's in, and if he can have a cup of tea with her! '_';

PeneloRatsbane
06-29-2010, 09:19 PM
about the trampy girls, yeah unfortunatley there are quite a few. But not everyone is like that, lots of us English girls are decent upstanding individuals :D. i'm from the south and i don't think its that rude. I found france to be quite rude but i don't think that all of the french are rude, that would be absurd.

black orb
06-29-2010, 10:12 PM
>>> Jack the Ripper..:luca:

escobert
06-29-2010, 11:04 PM
the place my family came from :p

Laddy
06-29-2010, 11:40 PM
Bad food. English food is the absolute worst food I have ever experienced in my life. Sorry guys, but I totally despised it. :sad:

Great sense of humor. The English are a riot and a half. Never before has someone insulted me to my face and I feel all the better for it.

The English are normally friendly, but mean English people are about as mean as you can get.

When I went to London, people were tanning 70 degrees farenheit weather. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Sorry, but I find that so hilarious.

Much better music. Seriously, I really do not like modern American music, but when I listened to English radio, I enjoyed it so much more than when I normally listened to the radio. And no Nickelback! :D

Iceglow
06-29-2010, 11:42 PM
Laddy depends on where you ate, some english food is terrible but frankly it depends on the chef not on the country the food is cooked in.

Cuchulainn
06-30-2010, 12:19 AM
The food problem extends to Ireland too. If I lived in America I'd be a fat bastard. In the 3 weeks I was there last July I gained 6 pounds. Your food..places? have ze tastiest food.

NorthernChaosGod
06-30-2010, 12:27 AM
PsyxCuch for Cutest Couple '11!
Why '11? :p

I don't think he knows about the fact that ciddies happen twice a year :D

Wait, really? Fuck. Next Ciddies then.

G13
06-30-2010, 12:34 AM
England to me means farting in people's faces to wake them up, burping in their faces while courting them, taking a town full of people out into the woods to sacrifice them to the shadow god, kicking chickens long distances for the amusement of others, and beating all of life's obstacles the best way I can and then turning around and kiiling everyone.

Mo-Nercy
06-30-2010, 12:46 AM
England doesn't mean much to me, despite the fact that the Queen is on our five dollar bill.

http://blog.olilolo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/5dollar.jpg

We've also taken pleasure out of beating them in cricket and rugby in the past, though that's not so much the case anymore. It's also the home of Top Gear which is just about my favourite show (the Australian version isn't as good).

Iceglow
06-30-2010, 01:00 AM
Mo, no one else's version of Top Gear is as good as the original. You just cannot beat Clarkson, May and Hammond and lets not forget The Stig.

Laddy
06-30-2010, 01:39 AM
Laddy depends on where you ate, some english food is terrible but frankly it depends on the chef not on the country the food is cooked in.
I understand that as well. But the good chefs must of been on break because not the food was particularly good. :/

For example, I had some Fish and Chips THREE TIMES and it was all so...bland.

Crop
06-30-2010, 01:48 AM
Laddy depends on where you ate, some english food is terrible but frankly it depends on the chef not on the country the food is cooked in.
I understand that as well. But the good chefs must of been on break because not the food was particularly good. :/

For example, I had some Fish and Chips THREE TIMES and it was all so...bland.

Well that's obviously because you didn't drench it in salt and vinegar! (requires one packet of salt and one packet of vinegar)

Iceglow
06-30-2010, 01:59 AM
Laddy depends on where you ate, some english food is terrible but frankly it depends on the chef not on the country the food is cooked in.
I understand that as well. But the good chefs must of been on break because not the food was particularly good. :/

For example, I had some Fish and Chips THREE TIMES and it was all so...bland.

Well that's obviously because you didn't drench it in salt and vinegar! (requires one packet of salt and one packet of vinegar)

Or rather he didn't come and ask me to take him to a DECENT Fish and Chippy!

NorthernChaosGod
06-30-2010, 04:04 AM
When I come visit for the Olympics, you're taking me to places with food that doesn't suck then.

Rodarian
06-30-2010, 07:27 AM
Ditto I'm going to come and meet everyone when I get to England!

~*~Celes~*~
06-30-2010, 07:30 AM
Mo, no one else's version of Top Gear is as good as the original. You just cannot beat Clarkson, May and Hammond and lets not forget The Stig.

:love::love: One thing I can thank Alan for is introducing me to this show.

American Top Gear is supposed to start airing this fall on the History channel. One of the hosts happens to like the Pagani Zonda as much as I do so I shall enjoy at least that much of it :jess:

Nod
06-30-2010, 09:59 AM
Haha, good thread. I like England, and like any country it has its good and bad points. I lived in London up until a month ago; which was cool. Nothing like being where loads of stuff is going on.
Awesome countryside in England too in places.

Top Gear with Clarkson, May and Hammond rules. xD

aquatius
06-30-2010, 10:06 AM
My favourite restaurants where I live are Japanese restaurants >>

I think the problem with English food is we have very little that's traditionally ours and a lot of it is disgusting or not that common any more (like blood pudding).

Madame Adequate
06-30-2010, 10:23 AM
All I'll say is if not for the Irish Sea there would be no Republic of Ireland :greenie:

Cuchulainn
06-30-2010, 11:09 AM
All I'll say is if not for the Irish Sea there would be no Republic of Ireland :greenie:

If it wasn't for the execution of the Easter Rebels. There'd be no Republic of Ireland.



HOLY CRAP NOD IS NOT DEAD AND BURIED IN A SHALLOW GRAVE IN WOODLAND

NeoCracker
06-30-2010, 11:16 AM
And none of this would be possible if it wasn't for Jack Bauer.

Old Manus
06-30-2010, 11:31 AM
And this thread was made possible by the sponsorship of New Coke. Catch the wave!

champagne supernova
06-30-2010, 11:27 PM
When I think of England, I think of colonies, French hatred, pluck, inspiration, all of which has kind of disappeared because Health & Safety has gone mad and prevents you guys from doing anything cool.

This Youtube video actually sums up all that is wrong with England in my opinion.
YouTube - Ban Nando's XX Hot Sauce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEKGpsK3qS0&feature=related)

But the place is still cool. Top Gear is obviously awesome. The football clubs are great (the national team is another story).

I agree with Rye about people in the South, although I think that's more London than the South as a whole. Manchester was much friendlier.

EDIT: And using the Channel as the reason that Germany didn't win the war is like saying that the Atlantic Ocean is the reason America gained its independence and Russia being cold is the reason both Napoleon and Hitler had epic fails. True, but it's kind of a natural feature you expect when invading a country.

Carl the Llama
07-01-2010, 05:03 AM
Where to start... being from the south myself and always managing to say "have a nice day" to EVERYONE I speak to I have to say not all us southerners are rude, however I do find that most people do not wish other to have a nice day and agree in general that there are alot of rude people out there, though in retrospect I have seen alot of people who are the same in different area's from the whole world and while there are a many places I would like to go on holiday there isn't many places I would rather live... considering it cost so much money for medical bills in other country's there are not alot of places that are better off.

Taking into consideration the fact that I know someone who in his country was a qualified biologist and ran his own campus moved into England to take a job as a Pizza Hut Support Manager where the money isn't all that great I would have to say there are hundreds of places I would not want to live in, and apparently there are alot of people who though not being from England feel the same way.

TBH I find working as the only English person in in my shop to quite refreshing as the people I work with all like me and the way I carry myself in my roll as manager at Pizza Hut and on the whole are a friendly bunch of people as you are like to meet.

As far as English food goes, you really shouldn't damn our country based on the limited experence's that you have had with out food, just come round my place and I will cook up a storm for ya :bigsmile:

So in short: I love my country and lot of people being from this country or otherwise feel the same as I do, and our food be it curry or roast dinner we do know how to cook, you just need to know where to go.

EDIT: with reguards to our weather, I remember there was more rain in Spain (or some other country well known for its sun) then there was in England last year (or the year before, can't remember the date to well.

Jessweeee♪
07-01-2010, 05:11 AM
Well this is more of a European thing in general, I pick England because English is the native language and the only one I speak. I want to see some of the especially old architecture. I'd be neat to see buildings that are centuries and centuries old! USA was only established about 300 or so years ago. We're still a baby country!

superbeckie.
07-01-2010, 05:49 PM
Chavs, sluts, swearing, bad education, more chavs, some emos, underage sex, smoking, drinking, bad indie music.
And I live here.

Jessweeee♪
07-01-2010, 06:06 PM
Well that's just a western thing! We have that here too.

NorthernChaosGod
07-01-2010, 06:22 PM
Lol, we don't have chavs though. :p

BarelySeeAtAll
07-01-2010, 06:58 PM
What's your secret?! :D

KentaRawr!
07-01-2010, 08:35 PM
England is that place that's over there that some people I know came from!

And the United States is so not a land of honey. We're like, a land of burnt toast. We wanted to just burn the top of the toast to improve the texture, but man we toasted it too long and now it all looks like crap! :p

Rase
07-02-2010, 12:50 AM
Annoying turns of phrase that are lost on me.

Madonna
07-02-2010, 06:50 AM
Rase, what does that even mean?!

qwertysaur
07-02-2010, 02:25 PM
What's your secret?! :D
We let them all play in traffic or in shark infested waters :bigsmile:

Jings
07-02-2010, 07:05 PM
England is an island. Its flag is the Union Jack. It should have been called the English Empire if you ask me!

I agree with Rye in that the further south you go the ruder it becomes. I bumped into someone in London and it nearly degenerated into a full on fist fight. Or maybe I just bumped into the wrong guy on the wrong day.

Cuchulainn
07-02-2010, 07:19 PM
England is an island. Its flag is the Union Jack. It should have been called the English Empire if you ask me!

I agree with Rye in that the further south you go the ruder it becomes. I bumped into someone in London and it nearly degenerated into a full on fist fight. Or maybe I just bumped into the wrong guy on the wrong day.

Couple if things. England is not an island, Britain is an island. England's flag is the Flag of St. George & lastly it's called the Union Flag, not Union Jack (unless on her majesty's ships).

As you were.

Jings
07-02-2010, 07:22 PM
England is an island. Its flag is the Union Jack. It should have been called the English Empire if you ask me!

I agree with Rye in that the further south you go the ruder it becomes. I bumped into someone in London and it nearly degenerated into a full on fist fight. Or maybe I just bumped into the wrong guy on the wrong day.

Couple if things. England is not an island, Britain is an island. England's flag is the Flag of St. George & lastly it's called the Union Flag, not Union Jack (unless on her majesty's ships).

As you were.

I know. I'm from Scotland, just thought I'd get in there with the obligatory errors that a lot of foreign people make. I'm playing the bitter, annoyed Scotsman role for goodness sake!

Crop
07-02-2010, 07:50 PM
lastly it's called the Union Flag, not Union Jack (unless on her majesty's ships).



Actually that isn't true. In 1908 parliament declared that the Union Jack should be known as the national flag.
I found this quote on a website:
"It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag"."

Cuchulainn
07-02-2010, 09:30 PM
Well I'll continue to believe to the BBC and the mighty Stephen Fry. The term 'jack' is 100% a maritime expression as it is flown from the jackstaff

Peegee
07-02-2010, 09:54 PM
Honestly, as a Canadian I think that England contained some of our ancestors and that your (our) queen is just a relic from past. Basically right now you mailed us your lawn ornament and she's on display in our country for some reason.

A great deal of Canada agrees with me on that last point (that the Queen is pointless).

I also refer you to Cz and my discussions (although how much of it was in jest I don't know) about the Royal Family.

xXsarahXx
07-02-2010, 10:22 PM
I live in England and whilst i call it :bou::bou::bou::bou:e the majority of the time i guess theres far worse places i could be right now.

We have some lovely looking places around here, English food is awesome lol We dont all have bad teeth thank you very much, thats a really :bou::bou::bou::bou: stereotype i think.

We have some fantastic comedy shows, over here and i find our tv to be infinately better than the American tv programme quality and picture quality too.
When I was in New York last year i found the quality of the TV to be shocking, looed like it was all filmed 10 years ago!!

I do love England though, always will do, its my home :D

Madame Adequate
07-02-2010, 11:25 PM
We have some fantastic comedy shows, over here and i find our tv to be infinately better than the American tv programme quality and picture quality too.

tbf English people do have fantastic senses of humor, as this demonstrates. :greenie:

Old Manus
07-03-2010, 12:27 AM
I hear the picture quality dial on British TVs goes up to 11

Rad Bromance
07-03-2010, 03:43 PM
http://www.stuffwelike.com/stuffwelike/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/051020_spicegirls.jpg

blackmage_nuke
07-03-2010, 03:46 PM
Harry Potter