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Wolf Kanno
07-07-2010, 09:47 AM
This has nothing to do with personality, this is all about game mechanics and so the question is, who is the games best character?

I'm going to have to give it to Rydia in most of the versions but for the DS version its Cecil by a long shot since he can take advantage of the Augments way better and becomes a powerhouse early on.

Rydia is just great cause her offensive magic is wonderful and once you get her high powered summons, she makes dungeon crawling a breeze and is a formidable enemy in boss fights. Its a shame she been nerfed in the DS version with her summons having longer cast times and costing more MP. :onnanoko:

Kain gets an honorable mention as well cause his simple design is lethal. its just a shame he spends most of the game brainwashed.

The Man
07-07-2010, 10:20 AM
i think trotsky is a pretty cool guy. eh opposes stalin and doesnt afraid of anything.

...oh, wrong Party. FuSoYa was awesome for the brief amount of time you had him in your party, purely because having a character who could cast so much magic was awesome. Other than that I liked Lydia, Edge and Cain for varying reasons. Lydia was probably the best of the three, although Cain’s ability to jump was useful against certain bosses who dealt frequent damage.

Roogle
07-07-2010, 01:00 PM
Tellah was pretty effective as the sole magic user for a few dungeons in the middle of the game.

It is unfortunate that he has a limit of 90 MP.

My favorite party member was Rydia. As a character in the Final Fantasy series, she tends to be unique as she is a Summoner with Black Magic as opposed to a Summoner with White Magic.

Storm
07-08-2010, 03:42 AM
It's so hard to identify who the best party member is in FFIV, because of all Final Fantasy games it's one of the few where you really need every single party member to play a role in the battle (notable exceptions being Edward and Yang to a certain extent).

I think Rosa is a little underated. Without constantly casting cure, wall when necessary, and removing irritating status ailments, you would be totally screwed. And although her attack power is pathetic, it's amazing when she finally learns Holy (I think it was called "White" in the original version) towards the end of the game (especially with how difficult some of the battles in Lunar Subterranean are).

Clo
07-08-2010, 07:02 AM
I really liked Cain, because I'm a fan of Dragoons in battle. The jump technique is useful a lot of the time, especially during battles that have bosses that do a lot of damage at one time to the entire party.

Vermachtnis
07-08-2010, 07:25 AM
I'm going with Rosa. This was one of the few Final Fantasy games where buffs and debuffs were needed. Slow and Haste especially; fuck you Demon Wall, fuck you! Plus keeping everyone else from dieing was pretty nice too. She even brought them back when the enemies cheated and killed them somehow. Also with the Augment system in DS she is mean! Dualcast+Pierce+Omni Casting means you can have Reflect and Haste up on everyone in the same turn. And you can keep healing them with Reflect up.

Rase
07-08-2010, 08:27 AM
Kain, since with proper timing he can wipe out Zeromus singlehandedly.

Roogle
07-08-2010, 12:07 PM
There is a point in the game where Cecil, Kain, and Edge try to leave Rosa and Rydia behind before going to the final battle on the moon.

I imagine that if they had truly been left behind that the final party consist of Cecil, Kain, Edge, FuSoYa, and Golbez. That would mean that FuSoYa would have to act as the healer with his limited MP pool, and there is no way that he can compare statistically to Rosa.

The party lineup would require that someone, likely Golbez, be placed in the back row alongside FuSoYa.

Golbez had the following skills in Final Fantasy IV: The After Years:

Attack
Provoke
Pressure
Black Magic
Item

Provoke draws enemy attacks towards Golbez; Pressure paralyzes a single target. Golbez can equip many types of weaponry and armor including heavy armor making him quite a formidable opponent.

Rydia and Rosa technically could have been replaced, I suppose, but they're very important to me.

black orb
08-13-2010, 04:31 AM
>>> Dark Knight Cecil..:luca:

RedPouch
09-20-2010, 07:53 PM
Rydia is just great cause her offensive magic is wonderful and once you get her high powered summons, she makes dungeon crawling a breeze and is a formidable enemy in boss fights. Its a shame she been nerfed in the DS version with her summons having longer cast times and costing more MP. :onnanoko:
I'd argue that she was more useful in the DS version of the game because without her spells, going through the final dungeon would be a pain in the ass. I'm mostly referring to stop [lets you deal with Silver, Gold, and Blue Dragons with relative ease]. I first went through the final dungeon in the high 40's on the DS version if I remember right.

NeoCracker
09-21-2010, 06:58 PM
Edge was a damn beast. Haste + Berserk, my god the shear number of attacks. O_O

Roogle
09-21-2010, 09:33 PM
I'd argue that she was more useful in the DS version of the game because without her spells, going through the final dungeon would be a pain in the ass. I'm mostly referring to stop [lets you deal with Silver, Gold, and Blue Dragons with relative ease]. I first went through the final dungeon in the high 40's on the DS version if I remember right.

The Super Nintendo version and the Nintendo DS version of the game have the same type of monsters in the final dungeon. For the most part, all of the status immunities and weaknesses carried over from the older game to the newer game. You are able to cast Stop on the different types of dragons in the final dungeon in every version of the game, so you would be able to duplicate your feat on the other console, too!

RedPouch
09-21-2010, 09:36 PM
The Super Nintendo version and the Nintendo DS version of the game have the same type of monsters in the final dungeon. For the most part, all of the status immunities and weaknesses carried over from the older game to the newer game. You are able to cast Stop on the different types of dragons in the final dungeon in every version of the game, so you would be able to duplicate your feat on the other console, too!
That's true but those monsters I mentioned are so much easier in the other versions that there's no point in doing fancy stuff. It's basically your typical RPG scenario where casting things like Petrify/Death/etc is useless because you can kill the monster in 1-2 hits anyways.

Roogle
09-21-2010, 09:37 PM
It's basically your typical RPG scenario where casting things like Petrify/Death/etc is useless because you can kill the monster in 1-2 hits anyways.

I agree. The difficulty for the older versions of the game is so low that you might as well just attack it and let it die. I was glad that the Nintendo DS version of the game increased damage done to your party by the enemies and increased their various parameters across the board.

Depression Moon
09-21-2010, 10:48 PM
<span style="font: 16px Candara, Skia, Corbel, 'Trebuchet MS', Georgia, Geneva, Helvetica, Lucida, 'Lucida Grande', Arial, sans-serif; color: #38bcee;">i think trotsky is a pretty cool guy. eh opposes stalin and doesnt afraid of anything.

...oh, wrong Party. FuSoYa was awesome for the brief amount of time you had him in your party, purely because having a character who could cast so much magic was awesome. Other than that I liked Lydia, Edge and Cain for varying reasons. Lydia was probably the best of the three, although Cain’s ability to jump was useful against certain bosses who dealt frequent damage.</span>

You know you typed Lydia right?

For me I only played the PS1 version and from that I found FuSoYa and Rydia to be the strongest. i had thought that Tellah had a low max MP because he was an old man so he would have less stamina, but apparently that doesn't apply to FuSoYa who is old too.

Evastio
09-22-2010, 05:46 AM
I'd definitely have to say it's Rosa, seeing how you get quite a lot of strong offensive team members, but Rosa (along with Porom) is the only character who has both strong healing capabilities and high MP. And with Rosa's higher strength and Aim command, she's better than Porom offensively.

KainHighwind
01-16-2011, 05:39 AM
I never really was before, but after playing through the DS remake, I'm a big fan of Yang.

Hot Shot
01-18-2011, 09:13 PM
I really liked Edge a lot. But I thought Kain was awesome and my brother really liked Cecil. So when we played the game two player, I controlled Kain and he had Cecil(it was especially awesome at the beginning of the game when it was just the two of them). Fun times :)

Darkwolf090
01-28-2011, 07:28 PM
As for best char and not my favorite in FFIV depends on the version,
Edge in the PS1 FFIV was just horrid imo, while Rydia would end up keeping your ass alive via killing everything while Kain just jumps away.
However in the DS version Cecil is a powerhouse if you give him just like 2 augments mainly the one that draws all attacks to him since he lacks the ability to die in the DS one and give him Counter cuz he has good attack and can heal himself he is beastly. So for over all best Cecil in the DS and Rydia in the PS1 version. Kain is good in both but never best maybe 2nd best, Yang did some wicked damage too if you used his elemental claws right.
And for those who think Tellah is a good char... shame on you shame on you all.
Recall was the only thing he had going for him in the PS1 cuz it was free... then they made it cost mp in the DS and he just became more useless, even more so cuz the Twins are just so much better then him.... so much more...
FuSoYa I have issues with cuz he never gains stats and as a grinder... thats horrid!

The Man
04-18-2011, 12:15 AM
<span style="font: 16px Candara, Skia, Corbel, 'Trebuchet MS', Georgia, Geneva, Helvetica, Lucida, 'Lucida Grande', Arial, sans-serif; color: #38bcee;">i think trotsky is a pretty cool guy. eh opposes stalin and doesnt afraid of anything.

...oh, wrong Party. FuSoYa was awesome for the brief amount of time you had him in your party, purely because having a character who could cast so much magic was awesome. Other than that I liked Lydia, Edge and Cain for varying reasons. Lydia was probably the best of the three, although Cain’s ability to jump was useful against certain bosses who dealt frequent damage.</span>

You know you typed Lydia right?

For me I only played the PS1 version and from that I found FuSoYa and Rydia to be the strongest. i had thought that Tellah had a low max MP because he was an old man so he would have less stamina, but apparently that doesn't apply to FuSoYa who is old too.Sorry for bumping an old thrad, but I wasn't around and this deserves a response. Yes, I am aware. Lydia and Rydia are phonetically the same in Japanese and it seems extremely likely the people who actually named her meant to name her Lydia, as that is an actual name. However, the people who translated the game were not aware of this, because they did not actually know anything about English or any other language that wasn't Japanese (hence Barbariccia, Cagnazzo, Scarmiglione, etc. being rendered as Valvalis, Kainazzo, Milon, etc.). It is quite likely that the misspelling has simply stuck for exactly the same reason that the spelling Kain has stuck even though his name is clearly intended to be a Biblical reference: the misspelling is simply too well known to bother changing.

Heath
04-19-2011, 01:31 AM
Baigan.

Roogle
04-19-2011, 10:29 PM
<div style="font: 16px Candara, Skia, Corbel, 'Trebuchet MS', Georgia, Geneva, Helvetica, Lucida, 'Lucida Grande', Arial, sans-serif; color: #38bcee; text-align: justify;">Sorry for bumping an old thrad, but I wasn't around and this deserves a response. Yes, I am aware. Lydia and Rydia are phonetically the same in Japanese and it seems extremely likely the people who actually named her meant to name her Lydia, as that is an actual name. However, the people who translated the game were not aware of this, because they did not actually know anything about English or any other language that wasn't Japanese (hence Barbariccia, Cagnazzo, Scarmiglione, etc. being rendered as Valvalis, Kainazzo, Milon, etc.). It is quite likely that the misspelling has simply stuck for exactly the same reason that the spelling Kain has stuck even though his name is clearly intended to be a Biblical reference: the misspelling is simply too well known to bother changing.</div>

There seems to be a bit more to it than that. Aeris was changed to Aerith in consequent games after it was established that the name was meant to be Aerith all along. I think that the character designers tend to favor one transliteration of a name over another and adjust the character names in subsequent titles if they didn't like how it turned out. For example, contrast Aeris becoming Aerith to Rydia remaining Rydia in every single recent release of the game.

The Man
04-19-2011, 11:30 PM
While that's a good point, I'd have an easier time believing it if Kain hadn't remained Kain in every subsequent English-language reissue of the game (that I'm aware of, anyway). The odds that he wasn't intended to be named after the Biblical character are so minuscule as to defy comment, especially since the Romanisation of his name is in fact spelled "Cain" in some Japanese materials. It seems more likely that FFVII and FFIV have simply been handled differently when it comes to character name translations.

Del Murder
04-20-2011, 09:52 PM
I found that the characters provided a good balance in this game, with all of them being an important part of the team with the possible exceptions of child Rydia and, of course, Edward. However, in terms of overall value added to the team I am going to have to go with Rosa as number one. She is the main healer of the game and many of the later boss battles could quite simply not be won without her. I can't say the same of any of the other characters. Her heal spells and buff spells are unmatched in terms of keeping your party alive. In non boss battles she deals decent physical damage with bows and can also throw out the occasional Holy if you want to do a bit more damage. Her defense and HP are low but not as low as Rydia's and in the back row she can take a few hits.

Second place is probably a tie between Cecil and Rydia, with an honorable mention going to Yang. Rydia is obviously the best damage dealer with her final summons. Asura can also heal in a pinch if you get lucky, but she is physically weak with low HP and defense which makes it harder to keep her alive to tear stuff apart with Bahamut. But if you want to end a battle quickly, she's the one to use. Cecil has very high HP, defense, and strength making him a very strong character. He will likely be the last man standing in any battle if things go wrong. By far the best all around attacker. Yang for his part in the game is the best damage dealer on your team. His elemental claws make it easier to target enemy weaknesses before you get Rydia back. His defenese is low but he has high HP to make up for it. Kick sucks for the most part but it is nice to have a free attack all ability.

I found Edge to be the least useful of the 'final five'. His HP and defense are too low for a front line member, and though his other abilities are cool, they are more like novelties. Blitz does come in handy sometimes but otherwise if he dies in a battle I don't have too much extra trouble winning most of the time. Just one less person to heal, really.

Hollycat
04-20-2011, 10:35 PM
Rydia kicks ass.

Heath
04-22-2011, 12:56 AM
I found Edge to be the least useful of the 'final five'. His HP and defense are too low for a front line member, and though his other abilities are cool, they are more like novelties. Blitz does come in handy sometimes but otherwise if he dies in a battle I don't have too much extra trouble winning most of the time. Just one less person to heal, really.

Yeah, I've always felt a similar way about Edge. He can deal some decent damage, but he's general weakness defensively is a bit annoying.

In all seriousness (i.e. not Baigan), I've always liked Tellah and Cecil. Tellah is a crazy old man who's a very good party member in battle aside from his capped MP and he is tremendously useful when you have him. Cecil, I've always found to just be very dependable battle-wise and a great damage healer who can take a fair few punches. I very rarely use his white magic though, unless I really have to, which is part of the reason I like Rosa more than I ordinarily might do.

Kaie
04-30-2011, 04:01 AM
Rosa :cool:; without her I was toast, while I could still go on if any of the others died.

Hollycat
04-30-2011, 04:12 AM
<div style="font: 16px Candara, Skia, Corbel, 'Trebuchet MS', Georgia, Geneva, Helvetica, Lucida, 'Lucida Grande', Arial, sans-serif; color: #38bcee; text-align: justify;">While that's a good point, I'd have an easier time believing it if Kain hadn't remained Kain in every subsequent English-language reissue of the game (that I'm aware of, anyway). The odds that he wasn't intended to be named after the Biblical character are so minuscule as to defy comment, especially since the Romanisation of his name is in fact spelled "Cain" in some Japanese materials. It seems more likely that FFVII and FFIV have simply been handled differently when it comes to character name translations.</div>

Wrong, he was named after Kain from final fantasy 2, the little boy whose father was the second to last of the dragoons.

The Man
04-30-2011, 08:11 AM
The presence of another character bearing the same name earlier in the series doesn't mean the Biblical reference still wasn't intended. There are so many references to mythology throughout the game that the idea that a major character whose name is almost identical to that of a Biblical character wasn't intended to be a reference to that character, especially when he betrays someone who's like a brother to him, is pretty much nil. I mean, even stuff like the villain (Golubaeser, if it is properly translated, a reference to a poisonous fly of legend) and the Four Fiends (all of whom are taken from Dante's Inferno) come from mythology. So having a main character in such a game not named at least in part after a Biblical character is pretty unthinkable.

Wolf Kanno
04-30-2011, 08:34 AM
Wrong, he was named after Kain from final fantasy 2, the little boy whose father was the second to last of the dragoons.

Except the boy didn't have a name until the Wonderswan remake which was years after FFIV. The boy was unnamed originally and when Square remade the game for the ill-fated Wonderswan, they named the boy after Kain from FFIV. ;)

Kain is named after the Biblical character, made most obvious by the fact he tends to get a weapon in later installments like FFIV Advance and FFIV:TAY called Abel's Lance. If you look at any of the Japanese source material, his name is spelled Cain. It was changed to Kain cause Nintendo USA had strict policies about religious issues in games. How BoFII got under the radar will always be a mystery though...

Also Golbezza (Golbez's actual Japanese spelling) and his Four Fiends are all named after Biblical demons from the Apocrypha Books of the Old Testament and other Jewish writings.

The Man
04-30-2011, 08:39 AM
Also Golbezza (Golbez's actual Japanese spelling) and his Four Fiends are all named after Biblical demons from the Apocrypha Books of the Old Testament and other Jewish writings.
Really? Because the Final Fantasy Wikia gives this explanation:


"Golbeza" is a mistransliteration of Golubaeser (also known as Golubac Fly), a type of black fly named for the town of Golubac in Serbia, as Golubaeser and Golbez(a) are written the same way in katakana (ゴルベーザ). According to folk legends, the venomous flies were born from the body of a decomposing dragon, a fitting metaphor for what became of Theodor. This is further emphasized during Golbez's flashback scene in the DS version, where Zemus taunts Theodor by calling him an insect that was "birthed from womb of dragon's corpse," both a reference to the Golubac Fly and a corruption of the first line of the Mysidian Legend. Golubaeser is also the name of a demon in the book Devils by J. Charles Wall, from which several other names in Final Fantasy IV were drawn.Which seems to make a lot of sense. It also gives the following explanation for the Four Fiends:


The four Archfiends are named after four of the twelve named Malebranches in the 8th Circle of Hell, the Malebolge, from Dante's Divine Comedy. Calcabrina and Geryon come from the same work.I know for a fact that they show up in the Divine Comedy, but it's possible the names are older, idk.

Wolf Kanno
04-30-2011, 08:48 AM
That's true, but J. Charles Wall was a Catholic Historian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Charles_Wall) and most of the Demons in Catholicism's history stem from other sources, mainly Jewish Apocrypha and demonizing pagan gods.

The Man
04-30-2011, 08:57 AM
Ah, that explains it.

Wolf Kanno
04-30-2011, 08:59 AM
I'm afraid its a small world after all.