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razorrozar7
09-03-2010, 11:24 PM
So I just started playing Ocarina of Time again, because it's an incredible game. But it made me think this time, and ask myself this question.

Zelda is the rightful holder of the Triforce of Wisdom, Link is the rightful holder of the Triforce of Courage, and Ganon is the rightful holder of the Triforce of Power. But according to official sources, Ganon was evil from the beginning. So, why exactly is the holder of a third of the most powerful artifact of goodness... not good?

I'd like to hear other input on this, so I brought it here.

Brennan
09-03-2010, 11:26 PM
His hunger for power? Can't think of anything else.

TheGlassesGirl
09-03-2010, 11:40 PM
One story Nintendo came up with is that whoever touched the Triforce gained the piece that best represented the wish they had in their heart, no matter if their wish was for good or evil. Ganon must have gained Power for his wish of power. -serious nod-

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 12:15 AM
You'd think, though, that the Goddesses would have been smart enough to plan for the possibility of an evil person reaching the Triforce.

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 12:27 AM
One story Nintendo came up with is that whoever touched the Triforce gained the piece that best represented the wish they had in their heart, no matter if their wish was for good or evil. Ganon must have gained Power for his wish of power. -serious nod-
This.


You'd think, though, that the Goddesses would have been smart enough to plan for the possibility of an evil person reaching the Triforce.

Link was duped.

qwertysaur
09-04-2010, 12:33 AM
The Goddesses and the Triforce are neutral. Remember in ALttP Ganon already has the power of the Triforce and used it to turn the sacred realm into the dark world. :p

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 12:40 AM
You'd think, though, that the Goddesses would have been smart enough to plan for the possibility of an evil person reaching the Triforce.
Well, that was actually intended: The Goddesses want the good to outweigh the evil in some way, like Link and Zelda being good, but Ganon is evil. The only reason I can think for that to be is to prove the powers the Triforce actually holds.

I'm sorry, I'm a huge Zelda nerd. ; w;

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 12:44 AM
EDIT: As your avatar shows. ;)

If the Goddesses are neutral, why did they flood the adult Link timeline's Hyrule to stop Ganon?

ALttP takes place chronologically after OoT/MM, I think. Discussion on that here. (http://www.zeldawiki.org/Timeline)

FURTHER EDIT: Naomi, do you have a link to the source? I don't doubt you, but I'd like to read that.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 12:51 AM
EDIT: As your avatar shows. ;)

If the Goddesses are neutral, why did they flood the adult Link timeline's Hyrule to stop Ganon?

ALttP takes place chronologically after OoT/MM, I think. Discussion on that here. (http://www.zeldawiki.org/Timeline)

FURTHER EDIT: Naomi, do you have a link to the source? I don't doubt you, but I'd like to read that.
Triforce - Zelda Wiki.org (http://www.zeldawiki.org/Triforce)

My explanation isn't exact. This article explains it way better than I did.

EDIT: I showed scan my Zelda timeline theory to show everyone. It's pretty beast.

G13
09-04-2010, 02:53 AM
I

think

that

the last time Link gave gave Ganon a wedgie he was wearing his chainmail undies and that's what really pushed him to the Dark Side of the Triforce.

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 02:55 AM
:exdee:Guardian, you're fired.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 03:02 AM
:exdee:Guardian, you're fired.
Yeah, what he said.

G13
09-04-2010, 03:05 AM
My only regret is that I have boneitis.

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 03:16 AM
:exdee:Guardian, you're fired.
Yeah, what he said.

Shush! Both of you.

Eric, you bloody genius. xD

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 03:16 AM
You got fired when Guardian did, NCG. :expee:

Depression Moon
09-04-2010, 03:17 AM
Well Nintendo isn't really known for having rich back stories to their characters and I believe the answer won't be here anytime soon if it hasn't been answered in Twilight P.

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 03:21 AM
Skyward Sword might tell.

G13
09-04-2010, 03:25 AM
You got fired when Guardian did, NCG. :expee:

Is it because we made a flip book of our asses using your office copier?

Anyways, I'll make a real contribution so I don't get in trouble or get your thread closed or some :bou::bou::bou::bou:. I recall learning a bit of his backstory when I played... ah :bou::bou::bou::bou:, I think it was A Link to the Past. I'm sure there's a wiki out there with the desired information.

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 03:28 AM
Thanks, Guardian. I was a bit worried about the off-topicness for a while.

There is. Naomi and I both posted links to it on the first page.

G13
09-04-2010, 03:41 AM
Ah, I meant to say that the Link to the Past info should be on a wiki. Didn't see the link though. I'll give it a look and edit it in should I find it.

Edit: nvm, it looks like you guys have that bit covered.

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 03:59 AM
You can't fire me! I quit!!1!1!one!1

I feel like I can't even contribute anymore since everything has pretty much been said already.

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 04:16 AM
XD You actually typed "one". Don't think I've seen that one before.

Feel free to engage in wild mass guessing, NCG.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 04:21 AM
BWAHAHA I R ZELDA FUHREEK. >:D

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 04:26 AM
BWAHAHA I R ZELDA FUHREEK. >:D

Okay, I'll dress up as Link and you can be Zelda. /smug

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 04:27 AM
I guess that makes me Ganondorf. :mwahaha:

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 04:28 AM
BWAHAHA I R ZELDA FUHREEK. >:D

Okay, I'll dress up as Link and you can be Zelda. /smug
Great, because Link never gets any! :jess:

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 04:30 AM
Ganondorf has already crossed the moral event horizon, though. Which means I can do what WHOever I want. :mwahaha:

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 04:32 AM
...Wait, what?

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 04:33 AM
:exdee: Never mind. You'll understand when you're older.

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 04:35 AM
BWAHAHA I R ZELDA FUHREEK. >:D

Okay, I'll dress up as Link and you can be Zelda. /smug
Great, because Link never gets any! :jess:

Not on-screen. ;)

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 04:37 AM
:exdee: Never mind. You'll understand when you're older.
How old do you think I am?! D:

@ Northern: Exactly.

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 04:41 AM
/smug Be ready in five.

G13
09-04-2010, 04:42 AM
Sweet Jesus you people are freaky. :Oo:

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 04:44 AM
And he just now figures this out.

@Naomi: Well, why did YOU think Ganon kept kidnapping Zelda. :exdee:

EDIT: Oh, God, Peach/Bowser. Squick.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 04:55 AM
@ Guardian: I've only been here for 10 hours an I figured that out already.

@ Razor: T-To get the power of the Triforce of Wisdom?

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 04:57 AM
Cover story.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 05:01 AM
OF COURSE. 8O

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 05:04 AM
MM > OoT

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 05:04 AM
You realize what this means, though.

NCG=Link.
You=Zelda.
Me=Ganon.

...

:stare:

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 05:31 AM
I know what it means. I'm going to kick your ass and save Naomi, who will be very grateful.

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 05:32 AM
But you'll be too late to thwart my evil horny plans.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 06:18 AM
Smurf.

NeoCracker
09-04-2010, 06:23 AM
MM > OoT

And here I was thinking I was the only one who thought that. :p

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 06:34 AM
MM > OoT

NO

NOOOOOOOOOOO NO.

qwertysaur
09-04-2010, 06:37 AM
NCG, Link also never talks. :p

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 07:26 AM
MM > OoT

And here I was thinking I was the only one who thought that. :p
If you also like ALttP the best, then we just may be the same person.


Smurf.
Awww, I won't hurt you. :greenie:


NCG, Link also never talks. :p

I'm not talking, I'm typing. He does get to grunt and yell a lot though.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 07:29 AM
You actually like MM over OoT.

We aren't friends anymore. D:<

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 07:30 AM
Wait... we actually were friends? D:

Also, three words: Fierce Diety Link.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 07:34 AM
I DON'T CARE. ; ^;

I honestly did not like MM very much. It's possibly my second to last least favorite Zelda game, ever.

I'm not including the CD-i games, for obvious reasons.

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 07:41 AM
What, really?! It's clearly the more fleshed out and polished game of the two. And Fierce Deity Link is the most badass thing ever in any Zelda game.

You need schoolin'. :colbert:

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 07:55 AM
You need to play more Zelda games. :doublecolbert:

MM was just an excuse of a Zelda game until the Gamecube came out. Then WW was released, and I don't mind that one, but I don't like it, either.

NeoCracker
09-04-2010, 07:55 AM
I'd rank link to the past as third best. :p

Though we may just have to double team this Naomi person for that last comment.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 07:56 AM
oh COME ON. >:U

I can't win tonight. D:

G13
09-04-2010, 07:58 AM
Fierce Deity is cool, but that's all it has and that doesn't beat all that is Master Quest, yo. :cool:

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 08:05 AM
I'd rank link to the past as third best. :p

Though we may just have to double team this Naomi person for that last comment.

I'm so down. Ready, set, go!


You need to play more Zelda games. :doublecolbert:

MM was just an excuse of a Zelda game until the Gamecube came out. Then WW was released, and I don't mind that one, but I don't like it, either.
MM was awesome. Better storyline, better fighting. It was everything OoT was and polished to a fine shine. /smug

And unless the games after Twilight Princess are amazing, I don't think me playing them will change the fact that MM is pure awesome.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 08:09 AM
Alright, whatever. Your opinion is your opinion, mine is mine. :|

I so can't waaaait for Skyward Sword, though. 8D

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 08:13 AM
This thread got way off topic in the hour and a half I was gone.

qwertysaur
09-04-2010, 08:18 AM
This thread got way off topic in the hour and a half I was gone.
NCG does that to threads :(

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 08:19 AM
Alright, whatever. Your opinion is your opinion, mine is mine. :|

I so can't waaaait for Skyward Sword, though. 8D
Okay, okay. Still friends?



This thread got way off topic in the hour and a half I was gone.
NCG does that to threads :(

Hell yes! /smug

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 08:20 AM
Even after he's fired, apparently. :twak:

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 08:20 AM
Alright, whatever. Your opinion is your opinion, mine is mine. :|

I so can't waaaait for Skyward Sword, though. 8D
Okay, okay. Still friends?

I think so.

qwertysaur
09-04-2010, 08:22 AM
Back to topic now.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 08:27 AM
True dat.

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 08:27 AM
Ganon is a thief and probably a bit of a sociopath.




Alright, whatever. Your opinion is your opinion, mine is mine. :|

I so can't waaaait for Skyward Sword, though. 8D
Okay, okay. Still friends?

I think so.

Yay! *huggle*

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 08:31 AM
Aaaaand NCG says "Screw you" to Qwerty's back on topic.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 08:49 AM
Ganon is a thief and probably a bit of a sociopath.




Alright, whatever. Your opinion is your opinion, mine is mine. :|

I so can't waaaait for Skyward Sword, though. 8D
Okay, okay. Still friends?

I think so.

Yay! *huggle*
>___<

This seems to be a recurring theme in my life.

razorrozar7
09-04-2010, 09:03 AM
NCG won't lay off you till you give up.

Though he might lay on you...

*slaps self in face*

Bastian
09-04-2010, 09:12 AM
I can't believe no one has yet posted the correct answer.

At the end of Wind Waker we're treated to a bit of Ganondorf's reasoning. He grew up and lived in the Gerudo Desert, which was very harsh and unforgiving, and longed for a green land like Hyrule. Being the self-styled king of the Gerudo, he decided to invade and take that land for himself and his people.

So I suppose the answer is greed. Why did England constantly claim France and Ireland as their own? And the Americas? And so on.

NeoCracker
09-04-2010, 09:35 AM
So lets be clear then, no double teaming is going to happen?

That makes me a sad panda. :cry:

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 03:56 PM
I can't believe no one has yet posted the correct answer.

At the end of Wind Waker we're treated to a bit of Ganondorf's reasoning. He grew up and lived in the Gerudo Desert, which was very harsh and unforgiving, and longed for a green land like Hyrule. Being the self-styled king of the Gerudo, he decided to invade and take that land for himself and his people.

So I suppose the answer is greed. Why did England constantly claim France and Ireland as their own? And the Americas? And so on.
Bah, I never remembered the details from WW. xD But very good point, nevertheless.

@Cracker: :mwahaha:

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 04:25 PM
>___<

This seems to be a recurring theme in my life.
...what?


So lets be clear then, no double teaming is going to happen?

That makes me a sad panda. :cry:

I'm still down.

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 04:27 PM
>___<

This seems to be a recurring theme in my life.
...what?
Ask LoM. Who, I might point out, loves hugs.

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 04:31 PM
I think I get it. More hugs for Naomi!

*glomps*

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 04:38 PM
Nuuuuu~ > 3<

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 04:49 PM
:3

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 04:54 PM
Oh look, we're off topic again. I should fix that.

LOL I LURVE ZELDA GUYZ :U

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 05:00 PM
I love Zelda more. :jokey:

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 05:08 PM
I've been playing Zelda game since I was 5 years old.

NorthernChaosGod
09-04-2010, 05:33 PM
So have I, but I'm older. :p

TheGlassesGirl
09-04-2010, 05:54 PM
Well... I've done the "Get the Lens of Truth before you need it" glitch in OoT

Makes the game SO much easier.

qwertysaur
09-04-2010, 08:10 PM
I've beaten the original Legend of Zelda when I was 7. Along with the second quest. :colbert:

NorthernChaosGod
09-05-2010, 04:28 AM
Yeah, I did that when I was five. I played a lot of NES when I was that age.

razorrozar7
09-05-2010, 06:32 AM
The first Zelda games I ever played were the Oracles.

TheGlassesGirl
09-05-2010, 04:58 PM
IMO, anyone that wants to play a Zelda game should play OoT first. It's the mothersmurfing benchmark of Zelda games.

NorthernChaosGod
09-05-2010, 05:29 PM
I... what? No. NO. NO!

Everyone should start with The Legend of Zelda, because that's what I did. :colbert:

TheGlassesGirl
09-05-2010, 05:38 PM
NCG is a bad example of everything in life. Don't follow his lead. :doublecolbert:

NorthernChaosGod
09-05-2010, 05:49 PM
You're 16, what do you know? :doublecolbert:

TheGlassesGirl
09-05-2010, 06:28 PM
You're fucking Pedobear, so probably more than you. :doublecolbert:

razorrozar7
09-05-2010, 08:32 PM
IMO, anyone that wants to play a Zelda game should play OoT first. It's the mothersmurfing benchmark of Zelda games.

Also, it's currently chronologically first. Once Skyward Sword comes out, everyone will have to start with that one.

:omghey: They're remaking OoT for 3DS! :omghey:

TheGlassesGirl
09-05-2010, 09:01 PM
IMO, anyone that wants to play a Zelda game should play OoT first. It's the mothersmurfing benchmark of Zelda games.

Also, it's currently chronologically first. Once Skyward Sword comes out, everyone will have to start with that one.

:omghey: They're remaking OoT for 3DS! :omghey:
Ffffff-

No one knows for sure if that's the official storyline, but you are correct. But YAY 3DS~ :omghey:

I still need to scan in my Zelda Timeline theory. It's LINEAR!

NeoCracker
09-05-2010, 09:46 PM
I'm really just back to state that I am more of a pedobear then NCG, and I thought Windwaker was quite enjoyable, except for the ship traveling which took way to damn long.

TheGlassesGirl
09-05-2010, 10:10 PM
I read an article where someone played WW the whole way through (Main quest, no side quests at all) and timed it each time she began to travel by boat. Boat travel in WW actually took up only 15 minutes of gameplay time, and she beat it in 4-6 hours. I called "bull:bou::bou::bou::bou:", of course, but still.

NeoCracker
09-05-2010, 10:48 PM
It's not that it was freakishly long, its just that it amounts to an unnecessary waste of time. :p

TheGlassesGirl
09-05-2010, 10:54 PM
Which is why I was so happy when I finally beat Cyclos. D:

It's like, "BISH, JUST TEACH ME HOW TO FLY ALREADY."

NorthernChaosGod
09-06-2010, 04:23 AM
You're smurfing Pedobear, so probably more than you. :doublecolbert:

What does that have to do with anything? :Oo:

TheGlassesGirl
09-06-2010, 04:52 AM
You're smurfing Pedobear, so probably more than you. :doublecolbert:

What does that have to do with anything? :Oo:
I needed a decent retort. :triplecolbert:

black orb
09-06-2010, 05:12 AM
>>> lol, I have played and beat hundreds of videogames but I have never beat or cared about a single Zelda game. Im still wondering why..:luca:

NorthernChaosGod
09-06-2010, 05:17 AM
You're smurfing Pedobear, so probably more than you. :doublecolbert:

What does that have to do with anything? :Oo:
I needed a decent retort. :triplecolbert:
That wasn't even adequate.


>>> lol, I have played and beat hundreds of videogames but I have never beat or cared about a single Zelda game. Im still wondering why..:luca:

GTFO

black orb
09-06-2010, 05:26 AM
>>> lol, I have played and beat hundreds of videogames but I have never beat or cared about a single Zelda game. Im still wondering why..:luca:

GTFO
>>> What a great day, this is my first time getting a "GTFO" :D..:luca:

TheGlassesGirl
09-06-2010, 06:07 AM
>>> lol, I have played and beat hundreds of videogames but I have never beat or cared about a single Zelda game. Im still wondering why..:luca:

GTFO
>>> What a great day, this is my first time getting a "GTFO" :D..:luca:

You get a gold star that magically makes you GTFO.





You're smurfing Pedobear, so probably more than you. :doublecolbert:

What does that have to do with anything? :Oo:
I needed a decent retort. :triplecolbert:
That wasn't even adequate.
And that wasn't even relevant. :quad-colbert:

-is just bull:bou::bou::bou::bou:ting through this conversation now-

NorthernChaosGod
09-06-2010, 06:09 AM
When am I ever relevant? You have much to learn, my young padawan.

TheGlassesGirl
09-06-2010, 06:47 AM
Forgive me, I've never seen a single Star Wars film the whole way through. But I get reference jokes, because at least I know the story.

NorthernChaosGod
09-06-2010, 06:50 AM
Are... are you serious? :cry:

I'm making you finish them. All six of them.

TheGlassesGirl
09-06-2010, 07:06 AM
Even 2 and 3?!

:bou::bou::bou::bou:. >:

NorthernChaosGod
09-06-2010, 07:34 AM
What's wrong with 3? o_O

TheGlassesGirl
09-06-2010, 08:20 AM
One thing my sister kept making fun of after seeing it was "Kick him in the nubbins! NUBBINS!"
I dunno, seems like she wouldn't be finding it funny if it was good. xD

-still in the Mafia mindset-

razorrozar7
09-06-2010, 03:40 PM
This is no longer the "Why is Ganon Evil" topic. This is the "Talk about Whatever the Smurf you Want To" topic.

TheGlassesGirl
09-06-2010, 04:31 PM
Blame NCG! We were talking about Zelda until he got us off track!

NorthernChaosGod
09-06-2010, 06:20 PM
Your sister is just weird.

Also, I don't know what you people expected when I posted. We can still talk about Zelda though, if you'd like.

Hardest temple?

Wolf Kanno
09-06-2010, 06:25 PM
How about you two just move your private conversation to Mognet Messages? Otherwise I'm going to close the thread for massive derailment. :colbert:

razorrozar7
09-06-2010, 06:31 PM
SEE? I knew this would happen.

So... any more thoughts on why Ganon is evil?

NorthernChaosGod
09-06-2010, 07:00 PM
What the hell else is there to say about Ganon? I tried starting a Zelda related discussion. :colbert:

For example, I don't think the water temple OoT is anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Messing with water levels is just kind of tedious.