Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy (PSP) announced

[ShinGundam]

It's in Jump. Due in 2011. Kain and Lightning shown.

http://i54.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/10xee4h.jpg

[Wolf Kanno]

Hell yeah :cool:

[Rase]

It's in Jump. Due in 2011. Kain and Lightning shown.
Oh look, I suddenly care about this series.

[ShinGundam]

Comparison :p :


http://i56.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/20120t2.jpg
http://i55.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/nxvza.jpg
http://i51.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/2vkm8n8.jpg

[Forsaken Lover]

I can already see all the quotes for Lightning.

vs. Cloud: I feel electricity between us.

I'm joking but that kind of horrible dialogue is probably going to be there.

[Jessweeee♪]

I'm super excited o:

[Depression Moon]

Damn, I guess they don't want my money again.

[qwertysaur]

:D

[SuperMillionaire]

Yay, a sequel! Woo-hoo!

[razorrozar7]

Oh HELL yeah.

[Jessweeee♪]

I'm hoping for more female characters. And Seifer! It'd be cool to see Jihl as the FFXIII villain. She seemed like she was gonna be that super bad guy that kicks your ass (or at least puts up a REALLY good fight) eight times through out the game before getting killed by the real bad guy, but I only got part of that right. Of course she'd be pretty unfitting for the role for that very reason.

[razorrozar7]

I say it's either her or the PSICOM head, whose name eludes me. Orphan certainly wouldn't work.

[Jessweeee♪]

I say it's either her or the PSICOM head, whose name eludes me. Orphan certainly wouldn't work.

Yeah, that guy could fit, but he was probably the one character I didn't like xD

I really hope they include the Barthandelus fightan' theme in the music. Probably my favorite ominous choir music in the series.

[Jaffer]

It's gonna have to be Cid Raines, only villian with a fighting style that can be worked with.

[Crossblades]

Wow....all of a sudden I want a PSP o.O

[AntagonistGB]

I thought Nomura said they would've picked Sazh over Lightning. D;

[ShinGundam]

http://blog.jp.square-enix.com/tgs10/2010/09/13/tgsp1.jpg
:D:D:D:D:D:D
DISSIDIA 012 FINAL FANTASY | SQUARE ENIX (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/)

[qwertysaur]

I thought Nomura said they would've picked Sazh over Lightning. D;
He did. Someone else must have convinced him to let lightning be the representative as she is the titular character.

The villain from XIII will most likely be Raines but having Bartandelus/Dysley as the villain would be a lot cooler :D

Also I wonder which character from XII will be added. I'm guessing Ashe but since Gabranth is already in the game Basch would have a workable story with him. (Assuming all characters will return)

[black orb]

>>> Great news!! Now lets see if this new one is any better..:luca:

[AntagonistGB]

So, so far we have: Kain, Lightning, Cecil, WoL, Garland, and supposedly Kuja.

[Wolf Kanno]

I think its safe to say most of the original cast will make a return. I'm more interested in the two empty bars that were added under the normal Health bar. Looks like a new game play mechanic. :D

The game is apparently going to be playable at TGS this year so we will probably get some information about the game by the end of the month even if its nothing more than a few new game mechanics and idea of how Kain and Lightning will work.

From the screenshots, it looks like Lightning's EX Burst is going to be her using Zansetsuken (sp?) simialr to her summons ultimate attack.

[ShinGundam]

From the screenshots, it looks like Lightning's EX Burst is going to be her using Zansetsuken (sp?) simialr to her summons ultimate attack.
Also,You can use "Paradigm Shift" :p
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/img/gmw/docs/393/494/d04.jpg

[AntagonistGB]

For whatever reason, that face picture of Lightning really irks me. D;

[qwertysaur]

For whatever reason, that face picture of Lightning really irks me. D;
Yeah, it looks like it's floating too high because her armor is blending in with the background of the portrait :|

[Jessweeee♪]

I thought Nomura said they would've picked Sazh over Lightning. D;
He did. Someone else must have convinced him to let lightning be the representative as she is the titular character.

The villain from XIII will most likely be Raines but having Bartandelus/Dysley as the villain would be a lot cooler :D

Also I wonder which character from XII will be added. I'm guessing Ashe but since Gabranth is already in the game Basch would have a workable story with him. (Assuming all characters will return)

As much as I like Lightning, Sazh would have been much more fun to play. Not to mention we don't have any gun users. (Gunner Yuna for FFX?!)

It's a marketing issue, I think. Out of the six main characters it was Lightning they chose to represent FFXIII in their advertisements and game cover etc, but the other five could easily take that place. They chose Lightning because she is a strong, sexy female. From a business perspective this is a wise choice. Unfortunately this lead to some people viewing her as the main character and they expected her to support everything. But that's another topic. Anyway where I was going with this is that it makes more sense to insert the most iconic character of the game for FFXIII's first entry.

[Evastio]

Kain's Ex-Mode has been confirmed as Holy Dragoon and this scan (http://i51.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/2ezqtty.jpg) showing Tifa in Dissidia Duodecim has been floating around (I don't know if it's real or not).

As for what I think of Dissidia Duodecim so far, Lightning is the only character that I'm okay with being in (I can't really say if I like her being in since I'm not that familiar with her). As for Kain, it makes me sick. The fanboyism that he gets is so bad, it makes Cloud and Sephiroth look like the most hated characters in all of Final Fantasy. At least those two had a lot of haters to balance out the fanboys, but Kain doesn't even have that. I was at least hoping that he'd be on Chaos' side so that he'd get trashed by the heroes in story mode, seeing how he's more of a villain in the original FFIV. Oh well, with his traitorous personality, maybe he'll be dumb enough to pick fights with his own allies and lose. There've been mentions of Kain randomly attacking Bartz when he didn't even do anything to Kain, so maybe we can skin him alive in Bartz' story mode. And I guess I can always let Kain join Sephiroth and Zidane in my list of characters I beat up in Dissidia on a regular basis.

...okay, now that I'm done letting off some steam from reading all of the Kain fanboyism on GamFAQs, I'll continue. If Tifa really is in, I guess it's a bit of a mixed bag. At least her fanboys aren't like Kain's who mindlessly trash talk all other characters that aren't Kain, and she is probably the most logical choice for a FFVII protagonist besides Cloud (though I was hoping more for Vincent since he has a better connection with Sephiroth). But the fact that a significant amount of people want her in because of her breasts is rather, bleh. I guess the addition that I like the best so far is the Emperor's Throne Room being a new level.

[AntagonistGB]

As for Kain, it makes me sick. The fanboyism that he gets is so bad, it makes Cloud and Sephiroth look like the most hated characters in all of Final Fantasy. At least those two had a lot of haters to balance out the fanboys, but Kain doesn't even have that. I was at least hoping that he'd be on Chaos' side so that he'd get trashed by the heroes in story mode, seeing how he's more of a villain in the original FFIV. Oh well, with his traitorous personality, maybe he'll be dumb enough to pick fights with his own allies and lose. There've been mentions of Kain randomly attacking Bartz when he didn't even do anything to Kain, so maybe we can skin him alive in Bartz' story mode. And I guess I can always let Kain join Sephiroth and Zidane in my list of characters I beat up in Dissidia on a regular basis.

Wow, really? I always thought that, out of all the FFIV characters with undeserved fanbases, Rydia was right up there at the top. :V Plus, you seem to have enough venom for Kain to balance it out. :3 And as for Tifa, I'm glad she's in. She's one of the very VERY few female characters that I think really shines on their own in the series. Plus, I think her fighting style will be unique compared to the four thousand sword wielders from the first game.

Apparently the weird pink internet part of Orphan's Cradle is an area, as well as the Sky Fortress Bahamut from XII. I've also heard rumors of Balamb Garden, but I don't think that one's confirmed.

[SuperMillionaire]

Tifa is confirmed to be a playable character in there! And in her original Final Fantasy VII outfit, which is my favorite outfit for her.

[AntagonistGB]

Calling AC outfit and cowboy outfit for Tifa's alternate costumes.

Apparently Cloud's KH outfit will be DLC for people who buy Birth by Sleep Final Mix. I hate Square. >:(

[Chloe.]

I'm very excited to hear that Tifa will be in this :jess:

[vinnie's mini's]

I'm very excited to hear that Tifa will be in this :jess:

Amen to that. :omghey:

[Mo-Nercy]

Friggin' YAY!

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Hmmm...I wonder if they have tag elements to this one. That would be GREAT...^_^

[AntagonistGB]

Despite the fact that I foresee a lot of criticism due to the fact that this game looks like it plays almost exactly the same as the first, Dissidia was a good enough game that I think I'd be more upset if they radically changed everything.

[SuperMillionaire]

Calling AC outfit and cowboy outfit for Tifa's alternate costumes.

Apparently Cloud's KH outfit will be DLC for people who buy Birth by Sleep Final Mix. I hate Square. >:(

Perhaps they may include it as a standard already-in-game alternate costume in the American version.

[qwertysaur]

Calling AC outfit and cowboy outfit for Tifa's alternate costumes.

Apparently Cloud's KH outfit will be DLC for people who buy Birth by Sleep Final Mix. I hate Square. >:(

Perhaps they may include it as a standard already-in-game alternate costume in the American version.
Knowing Square-Enix it will cost a dollar or something :p

[ShinGundam]

Square Enix announced Dissidia012 officially for NA and EU :D

Artworks and screens :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/ShinGundam/2067dissidia012_B_rgb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/ShinGundam/2071DDFF_kain.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/ShinGundam/2073DDFF_lightning.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/ShinGundam/2076pub20sheet.jpg


*Nomura on Aya costume.

"The Aya costume is a collaboration that was realized because production on Dissidia and The 3rd Birthday were running in parallel, and the development teams are in the same group.

*There will be downloadable stuff via Codes (e.g. Get The 3rd Birthday to have Aya's costume).

* New characters will be announced on 1/11/11 at FABULA conference. The conference will serve as a proper announcement for Agito XIII, Versus XIII and unrelated games as well.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Well, Square Enix is really pushing the FF series like crazy lately. That's definitely not a bad things, but it makes you wonder if that all their good for anymore. But, that's a whole other topic in itself. I think this game would be a hell of a lot better if it had some Naruto Ultimate Ninja Tag Elements incorporated in them with other mains characters/villains in the previous FF series games as these supporting tagged characters. But that is a off topic things as well. Besides, not that the sequel is made, I highly doubt they even have tagged elements.

[LowCaloriePie]

Well, Square Enix is really pushing the FF series like crazy lately.

Seeing how the standard development time for a new numbered game is a good half a decade, Square's just making sure you don't forget the franchise exists. :V

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Well, Square Enix is really pushing the FF series like crazy lately.

Seeing how the standard development time for a new numbered game is a good half a decade, Square's just making sure you don't forget the franchise exists. :V

Lol, who could forget considering how much Microsoft and Sony are whoring themselves to SE and FF...XD...Lol. But hey, business is business. ^_^

[AntagonistGB]

"Kotaku reports that Dissidia Duodecim is on it’s way to the US, and that there will be playable storyline for Chaos characters!"

Ooh :3

[Rase]

Surprised the TGS trailer hasn't been posted yet. (http://kotaku.com/5645129/dissidia-012[duodecim]-final-fantasys-tgs-trailer-busts-out)

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Hell yeah! They read my mind! Tagged elements indeed! XD...lol

[qwertysaur]

"Kotaku reports that Dissidia Duodecim is on it’s way to the US, and that there will be playable storyline for Chaos characters!"

Ooh :3Excitement for this game increased by 79% :bigsmile:

[Jessweeee♪]

Yessss

[nirojan]

cant wait. almost done the first one, im playing thru every character and its pretty amazing (well except the corny story that doesn't really make sense).

[SuperMillionaire]

Hell yeah! They read my mind! Tagged elements indeed! XD...lol

Apparently so, almost like Marvel vs Capcom.

[Forsaken Lover]

(Gunner Yuna for FFX?!)

That's my guess. Yuna is the logical choice for the new character and X-2 Yuna makes the most sense IMO.

I would guess Shuyinn won't make it but since characters get up to 4 outfits, they could use Shuyin for one of Tidus'.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/DukeAllister/shuyin.jpg

His costume and look is superior to Tidus'.

[Evastio]

The official site now has an extended trailer (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/) (with Tifa shown at the end) for those who are interested.

Also, although it doesn't confirm Vaan being in Dissidia Duodecim, I read somewhere that Vaan's voice actor (I think it was his English voice actor) said that ever since May 2010, he's been busy working on something with Square Enix, or something to that degree. Again, keep in mind that this doesn't confirm Vaan in Dissidia Duodecim.

[Wolf Kanno]

I'm excited for Kain cause I would probably be one of those Kain obsessed fanboys but its simply cause he is a treacherous dick that makes him not as two dimensional as the rest of the cast. I think Rydia fans are far worse personally.

I'm not happy with Lightning but I knew it was going to happen so whatever. I don't like her as a character but then again I probably wouldn't have mind if XIII was just skipped... On the other hand, it could have been Hope or Vanille so I should be grateful for small things.

I'm curious to learn how the Assist system is going to work and hope there are more gameplay improvements as well. I seriously want some retooling to go down. I also wonder if we might see tag team EX-Bursts now...

[Jessweeee♪]

(Gunner Yuna for FFX?!)

That's my guess. Yuna is the logical choice for the new character and X-2 Yuna makes the most sense IMO.

I would guess Shuyinn won't make it but since characters get up to 4 outfits, they could use Shuyin for one of Tidus'.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/DukeAllister/shuyin.jpg

His costume and look is superior to Tidus'.

Yeah, I was really hoping for a Shuyin costume for Tidus in Dissidia, but then his extra costume was revealed and it was just...yellower yellows.

[Wolf Kanno]

Tidus is wearing an outfit similar to Jecht in the CGI movie segments. most notable in the scene where the two head butt each other. Also, am I the only one who noticed that Cecil suddenly gained a teleport move in that trailer?

[HolliWould]

I Hope they Add both the Summoner and Gunner Costumes, and her third should be this.
33687 This is me wishing for this as her third, honestly i hope it is this. :eek::cool::D

[SuperMillionaire]

I heard Firion's fighting style will be entirely redone.

[black orb]

Surprised the TGS trailer hasn't been posted yet. (http://kotaku.com/5645129/dissidia-012[duodecim]-final-fantasys-tgs-trailer-busts-out)
>>> Sweet, Shantotto is back..:luca:

[AntagonistGB]

Surprised the TGS trailer hasn't been posted yet. (http://kotaku.com/5645129/dissidia-012[duodecim]-final-fantasys-tgs-trailer-busts-out)
>>> Sweet, Shantotto is back..:luca:

All the characters from the first one are.

[Jessweeee♪]

Since it's looking like a few if not all of the titles are going to have more than one representative on the "hero" side, maybe we can still have Sazh :</>D!

[AntagonistGB]

Second Trailer Translation (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/10/07/square-enix-quickly-subtitles-dissidia-012duodecim-final-fantasy-tgs-trailer/)
I don't think this has been posted here yet. Apparently Kuja is a Warrior of Cosmos this time around? Seems like an interesting choice.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Second Trailer Translation (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/10/07/square-enix-quickly-subtitles-dissidia-012duodecim-final-fantasy-tgs-trailer/)
I don't think this has been posted here yet. Apparently Kuja is a Warrior of Cosmos this time around? Seems like an interesting choice.

I've gotta agree. Seems like there mixing up the sides of Cosmos and Chaos for whatever reasons...Interesting

[SuperMillionaire]

It was implied in the original Dissidia (the 13th cycle of battle) that Jecht was once a warrior of Cosmos, and that Terra was forced to be a warrior of Chaos.

[Evastio]

Here's Tifa's Dissidia Duodecim Magazine Scan for those who are interested:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101014071107/finalfantasy/images/thumb/d/da/Tifa_Dissidia.PNG/200px-Tifa_Dissidia.PNG

A really interesting piece of info, is that not only does Tifa not know who Sephiroth is in Dissidia Duodecim, but she also doesn't know who Cloud is.

[qwertysaur]

Amnesia? Perhaps an side effect of being pulled from your home world to fight other people in an unending game... :p

Also I like how you can see Materia in her glove.

[Rase]

Amnesia: The best and most under-utilized plot device. :p

[SuperMillionaire]

Why doesn't Tifa know who Cloud and Sephiroth are?!

Anyway, she's wearing her classic Final Fantasy VII attire! I've always wanted to see her depicted in her classic attire while using today's modern game engine graphics! (I already saw her wearing her classic attire in a CGI render, but that doesn't count.) Her pose is similar to her original VII art, except that it's on a slight angle, and her right arm is raised as if she is flexing her muscle.

I also like her fairly high-pitched voice, and I believe that she will have the same Japanese and English voice actors as she did before (Ayumi Ito and Rachael Leigh Cook, respectively).

[LowCaloriePie]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080411084832/finalfantasy/images/thumb/7/7b/FFCCVII-Tifa.jpg/198px-FFCCVII-Tifa.jpg

This better be one of her her alts.

[AntagonistGB]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080411084832/finalfantasy/images/thumb/7/7b/FFCCVII-Tifa.jpg/198px-FFCCVII-Tifa.jpg

This better be one of her her alts.

Her Advent Children outfit has already been confirmed for her first alt, and I would assume either the cowgirl getup or this hideous piece of Amano vomit would be her second:

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa106/100pdeathpie/TifaBLEUGH.jpg

If they do end up using that Amano abortion, I'd be disappointed if her legs aren't completely boneless and made of Jell-O, like they appear to be in that picture.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Why doesn't Tifa know who Cloud and Sephiroth are?!

Anyway, she's wearing her classic Final Fantasy VII attire! I've always wanted to see her depicted in her classic attire while using today's modern game engine graphics! (I already saw her wearing her classic attire in a CGI render, but that doesn't count.) Her pose is similar to her original VII art, except that it's on a slight angle, and her right arm is raised as if she is flexing her muscle.

I also like her fairly high-pitched voice, and I believe that she will have the same Japanese and English voice actors as she did before (Ayumi Ito and Rachael Leigh Cook, respectively).

I can tell you spent a lot of time "examining" her pictures...lol

I really hope they put Laguna and Adel or Rinoa and Seifer. Auron and Yunalesca would be heavenly! ^_^

[Depression Moon]

A really interesting piece of info, is that not only does Tifa not know who Sephiroth is in Dissidia Duodecim, but she also doesn't know who Cloud is.

Wow Square is really doing stuff that makes no sense now.

[AntagonistGB]

A really interesting piece of info, is that not only does Tifa not know who Sephiroth is in Dissidia Duodecim, but she also doesn't know who Cloud is.

Wow Square is really doing stuff that makes no sense now.

Nah, they've been doing that for a while now. Remember that sequel to Final Fantasy X that happened because of the merger that killed them after that horrible movie they made nearly bankrupted them? Yeahh.

[Jessweeee♪]

I think it's likely to be something like a parallel universe where Cloud doesn't exist, or never met Tifa.

[Evastio]

Amnesia? Perhaps an side effect of being pulled from your home world to fight other people in an unending game... :p
In the preview the Emperor said that the warriors of Cosmos have lost the previous cycles and have lost their memories. Maybe the two are correlated, so that losing a cycle of the war means losing your memories as well?

[AntagonistGB]

Remember in the original FFVII where there was this huge controversy about whether or not Cloud was real and if everyone's memories regarding him were fabricated by Sephy? Perhaps they're going to run with that idea for this particular game. Or maybe Dissidia isn't canon anyway, so whatevs.
:greenie:

[black orb]

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101014071107/finalfantasy/images/thumb/d/da/Tifa_Dissidia.PNG/200px-Tifa_Dissidia.PNG
>>> WTF? Her boobs suddenly became smaller..:luca:

[Jessweeee♪]

And it seems they made up for it by having her shirt hug them a little too much xD

[Wolf Kanno]

Amnesia? Perhaps an side effect of being pulled from your home world to fight other people in an unending game... :p
In the preview the Emperor said that the warriors of Cosmos have lost the previous cycles and have lost their memories. Maybe the two are correlated, so that losing a cycle of the war means losing your memories as well?

This is what I feel is most likely the case, in the original Dissidia, the Heroes didn't know who each other was or what they were doing. It was only after Cosmos' death did everyone start to regain their memories. Even the villains who remembered the previous cycles began to start hinting about stuff going on in their own titles after that point.

My guess is that Kuja isn't a Warrior of Cosmos but rather he's being mistaken for one cause it sounds like they are searching for other Cosmos warriors (most likely Kain and Lightning). SE has hinted their may be 4 to 10 new characters but didn't specify exactly nor did they mention if Kain and Lightning are part of that number. Also, it appears both the English and Japanese VA's for Vaan have been twittering about new work for SE so there is a good possibility that Vaan might be one of the new heroes.

[AntagonistGB]

In b4 butthurt over Vaan

[VeloZer0]

In b4 butthurt over Vaan
Damit, beat me to it :D

Yeah, Vaan is a poor choice compared to Basch or Ashe.

[AntagonistGB]

In b4 butthurt over Vaan
Damit, beat me to it :D

Yeah, Vaan is a poor choice compared to Basch or Ashe.

Or the leading man. ;) Actually, from a gameplay point of view, Balthier or Fran would probably be tthe best choice, rather than yet another blade user (going by everyone's initial equips). Perhaps Penelo, who had a dagger, if I recall correctly. Though from a story perspective, only Basch, Ashe, or Balthier would make sense. :P

[VeloZer0]

I guess I wasn't thinking about it from that perspective. In terms of what they would add to the game I agree that Balthier would be the best choice.

[Evastio]

My guess is that Kuja isn't a Warrior of Cosmos but rather he's being mistaken for one cause it sounds like they are searching for other Cosmos warriors (most likely Kain and Lightning).
Keep in mind that in the original Dissidia, the villains themselves said that Kuja was the newest warrior of chaos. Also, in the Dissidia Duodecim preview, it heavily implies that he's truly with the good guys, seeing how Kefka tries to provoke Kuja into fighting him, Cloud and Kuja's coversation doesn't sound at all like they see each other as enemies, and he talks to Zidane, Bartz, and Squall the exact same way he talked to Zidane in Shade Impulse 12, where he basically becomes a good guy.

[Wolf Kanno]

It just seems weird to choose Kuja as a warrior of Cosmos cause he was always a bastard in his own game. Jehct or Golbez would have been better choices cause both were confirmed to be former Cosmos Warriors.

As for the Kefka dialogue, the scene is out of context, Kefka could be talking to someone off screen and let's face it, its nutjob Kefka, its not like him talking about blowing crap up and trying to get under people's skins is a stretch from his usual dialogue. ;)

Still, it could all be true, who knows what the writers have planned for the game.

As for the Vaan bit, I'll admit I'm also a tad annoyed cause I would have preferred Basch or Lady Ashe as Gabranth's counterpart but I guess Gabranth did kill Vaan's brother Reks so its not a total stretch. Vaan might be a sword wielder but XII did allow you to carry anything so he might pull off a Firion. Balthier did this in his cameo in Tactics WotL. His equipment restrictions are almost the same as XII's meaning he could equip almost everything...

[SuperMillionaire]

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101014071107/finalfantasy/images/thumb/d/da/Tifa_Dissidia.PNG/200px-Tifa_Dissidia.PNG
>>> WTF? Her boobs suddenly became smaller..:luca:


And it seems they made up for it by having her shirt hug them a little too much xD

I'd say her boobs in Dissidia 012 are a middle-ground between her original Final Fantasy VII and Advent Children incarnations. It's also more proportionate to her body. In my opinion, her boobs are just the right size here.

[AntagonistGB]

I'd say her boobs in Dissidia 012 are a middle-ground between her original Final Fantasy VII and Advent Children incarnations. It's also more proportionate to her body. In my opinion, her boobs are just the right size here.

Seriously, you've looked way too into this. Maybe get a real girlfriend and study her tits as carefully? :P

[SuperMillionaire]

I'd say her boobs in Dissidia 012 are a middle-ground between her original Final Fantasy VII and Advent Children incarnations. It's also more proportionate to her body. In my opinion, her boobs are just the right size here.

Seriously, you've looked way too into this. Maybe get a real girlfriend and study her tits as carefully? :P

I was only responding to Black Orb and Jessweeee.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Lol, A'yo, alright guys. Let's not turn this into a bashing each other's sexuality thread.

So tell me, I honestly think that Auron and Yunalesca would be PERFECT for this game. Anyone agree? ^_^

[Wolf Kanno]

Lol, A'yo, alright guys. Let's not turn this into a bashing each other's sexuality thread.

So tell me, I honestly think that Auron and Yunalesca would be PERFECT for this game. Anyone agree? ^_^

I agree on both accounts. :D

[AntagonistGB]

I'd say her boobs in Dissidia 012 are a middle-ground between her original Final Fantasy VII and Advent Children incarnations. It's also more proportionate to her body. In my opinion, her boobs are just the right size here.

Seriously, you've looked way too into this. Maybe get a real girlfriend and study her tits as carefully? :P

I was only responding to Black Orb and Jessweeee.

I know, I was just messing around with ya, bud. ;) No harm meant.

Auron would be cool, but Yunalesca? I can't imagine why, she's basically Cloud of Darkness minus the tentacles. They pretty much even have the same hair and "clothes" and I can't imagine she'd control any different than Ultimecia.

[Roogle]

I hope that this next iteration of the Dissidia series incorporates more traditional fighting game elements into the mix. Dissidia Final Fantasy has very little support in the fighting game community.

[SuperMillionaire]

I'd say her boobs in Dissidia 012 are a middle-ground between her original Final Fantasy VII and Advent Children incarnations. It's also more proportionate to her body. In my opinion, her boobs are just the right size here.

Seriously, you've looked way too into this. Maybe get a real girlfriend and study her tits as carefully? :P

I was only responding to Black Orb and Jessweeee.

I know, I was just messing around with ya, bud. ;) No harm meant.

Auron would be cool, but Yunalesca? I can't imagine why, she's basically Cloud of Darkness minus the tentacles. They pretty much even have the same hair and "clothes" and I can't imagine she'd control any different than Ultimecia.

Oh, okay, thanks for clearing that up.

And perhaps, if they want to take more ideas from fighting games, perhaps they can look at Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Capcom, and Super Smash Bros.

[AntagonistGB]

I really hope they don't go that route, to be honest. I don't like fighting games, even the "good" ones like Street Fighter or Smash Bros. One of the reasons I felt Dissidia worked so well was that it didn't feel like another genre entirely from the games it was based on. Actually, it felt like a simplified Kingdom Hearts engine, which is a series I REALLY love. In fact, I wouldn't mind if the main numbered games took a few pages out of Dissidia's book and they made a series of retro, nostalgic traditional RPGs for the handhelds like they've been doing with 4 Heroes and Warriors of Light and Darkness.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

I'd say her boobs in Dissidia 012 are a middle-ground between her original Final Fantasy VII and Advent Children incarnations. It's also more proportionate to her body. In my opinion, her boobs are just the right size here.

Seriously, you've looked way too into this. Maybe get a real girlfriend and study her tits as carefully? :P

I was only responding to Black Orb and Jessweeee.

I know, I was just messing around with ya, bud. ;) No harm meant.

Auron would be cool, but Yunalesca? I can't imagine why, she's basically Cloud of Darkness minus the tentacles. They pretty much even have the same hair and "clothes" and I can't imagine she'd control any different than Ultimecia.

I beg to differ. Reason being, Yunalesca was a master of negative status alignments; something this game REALLY lacks in. I mean, incorporating more status effects in this game is a grand idea. With that being said, Yunalesca was boss bitch when it came to kicking ass with Zombie and Death. And as a twist, they should give her the ability to heal the opponent to take small bravery damage doing Zombie. She can also use this fighting style to heal when she's a support. And Yunalesca > Cloud Of Darkness...lol


Edit: And I'm with antagonist when it comes to Dissidia being more like other fighting games. I would erode originality

Edit2: Oh, and btw, think about the great story having Tidus, Ject, Auron, and Yunalesca in one game. Ject was a warrior of light before right? It gives him a bigger incentive to be so if Yunalesca is a warrior of chaos...^_^

[AntagonistGB]

Alright, fair enough. So what, like poison bravery, slow, stop, zombie (maybe gets hurt by Regen and EXP -> HP and the like?) That may actually be pretty cool. But story-wise, I never really considered her a major player in the whole of FFX, much like Seymour. When I think main enemies of FFX, everything pales in comparison to Sin, which is effectively Jecht.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Alright, fair enough. So what, like poison bravery, slow, stop, zombie (maybe gets hurt by Regen and EXP -> HP and the like?) That may actually be pretty cool. But story-wise, I never really considered her a major player in the whole of FFX, much like Seymour. When I think main enemies of FFX, everything pales in comparison to Sin, which is effectively Jecht.

I have to beg differ one more. Think about it, Yunalesca was the ultimate orchestrator of the cycle of destruction that is Sin. If it wasn't for her, Sin wouldn't exist and Yu-Yevon would be some random angry spirit. She was the overseer of the Final Aeon. The blinding light which drew the righteous summoners and their guardian to the ultimate sin; continuing the cycle of death that is Sin. If that's not badass, then I don't know what is.

As for story, with Auron and Yunalesca, we have epicness in the making. Auron was killed by Yunalesca and became an Unsent with the sole intent for bringing together the people that are capable of bringing an end to the cycle of death that is Sin and stop the person who turns the wheel; Yunalesca. Auron knew what his was doing before the game even started. He knew that had to end with Yunalesca first because she was the one that give Yu-Yevon countless sacrifices for rebirth, i.e the Final Aeon and the possession of the Final Aeon by Yu-Yevon.

Jecht would oppose Yunalesca because he was used as a Final Aeon in hopes of bringing an end to Sin once and for all. But He and Braska was used by Yunalesca as she played on their hopes to continue Sin. Not to mention she has a very straightforward and dark attitude about it. She makes you think there is no other way but to give your life. And Jecht fell for it.

As for Tidus, Yunalesca, Sin, and Yu-Yevon was the ultimate reason Jecht taken away from from him and his mother to begin with. And he's mother died lonely because if it. I'd imagine Tidus wouldn't take to kindly of that lol

[AntagonistGB]

Eh, but she wasn't NECESSARY is all I'm saying. They could have easily taken her out and just written off the process of Guardians turning into Sin as something that Yu Yevon himself controlled, and the story would literally have lost next to nothing because of it. They just added her in because they needed a big climactic boss at that point in the game. Unlike Jecht, who, if removed, basically destroys all character motivation for Tidus, or Sin, which, if removed, would more or less change every aspect of the game. Sure Auron has a grudge against her, but he could have been killed some other way, as he never really makes a big deal about her killing him and all.

Actually, it would have been more poignant if the Unsent or some other representation of Yu Yevon himself took Yunalesca's place in-game, as it would help to build up to the final confrontation against him, and make his role in the game more apparent, thus making his last-minute appearance less forgettable.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Eh, but she wasn't NECESSARY is all I'm saying. They could have easily taken her out and just written off the process of Guardians turning into Sin as something that Yu Yevon himself controlled, and the story would literally have lost next to nothing because of it. They just added her in because they needed a big climactic boss at that point in the game. Unlike Jecht, who, if removed, basically destroys all character motivation for Tidus, or Sin, which, if removed, would more or less change every aspect of the game. Sure Auron has a grudge against her, but he could have been killed some other way, as he never really makes a big deal about her killing him and all.

Actually, it would have been more poignant if the Unsent or some other representation of Yu Yevon himself took Yunalesca's place in-game, as it would help to build up to the final confrontation against him, and make his role in the game more apparent, thus making his last-minute appearance less forgettable.

The only reason Yunalesca SEEM like just a climatic story tool rather than a full fledged character was because most of her presence and role in the game has more to do with the back story instead of the initial story. Much like Ultimecia, she's more of a puppet master, then an in your face type boss like Sephy or Kefka; which I think is underrated personally.

In realistic terms, and if you look deep beneath the surface, Sin, Yunalesca, and Yu-Yevon was the three elements to the real enemy in the game of FFX; the cycle of death and destruction. You couldn't simply kill one and everything will be peachy. You have to confront all three to uncover the truth of the story. With that being said, I don't see any reason not seeing Yunalesca as a major player in the FFX storyline.

And, by the way, I agree. They could have taken her out and gave Yu-Yevon a bigger role. But they didn't...;)

[AntagonistGB]

Ah well, this is a topic for another forum anyway. :p

So what would you guys think about characters with swapped sides? Right now it looks as if Jecht and Kuja could be on the side of Cosmos, while Terra possibly on the side of Chaos, under control of Kefka. I hope they do all three, as it'd be interesting to see the different interactions this would lead to.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Ah well, this is a topic for another forum anyway. :p

So what would you guys think about characters with swapped sides? Right now it looks as if Jecht and Kuja could be on the side of Cosmos, while Terra possibly on the side of Chaos, under control of Kefka. I hope they do all three, as it'd be interesting to see the different interactions this would lead to.

Lol, fair enough. But yeah, Auron and Yunalesca in Dissidia FTW.

Anyway, I'm interested to see it, but at the same time I don't think it'll make a difference to me honestly. I just want to see the characters beat the hell out of each other and see if Cosmos will get in on the action...:cool:

[Wolf Kanno]

The Japanese website just updates. Added Cecil, Golbez, Cloud, Sephiroth, and Tifa into the character files and in the FF Compendium, they just added FFII.

In regards to the new alternate outfits, Cecil's bores me cause its basically a palette swap of muted colors for his main outfit. Golbez's is pretty awesome, Cloud's is interesting but I'm not feeling the white boots... Sephiroth's is plain boring cause its not like his Dissidia uniform is a major diversion from his original.

I can only imagine what the rest of the characters will get stuck with.

[P4ine]

It's in Jump. Due in 2011. Kain and Lightning shown.
Oh look, I suddenly care about this series.

[Mercen-X]

I think I know why it's Duodecim. There are already twelve characters in the game. A hero and villain representing each installment from I-X and then Gabranth and Shantotto. Natch Square will try to play off the title as if it has deeper meanings but we all know they're just @$$-PULLING.


As for Kain, it makes me sick. The fanboyism that he gets is so bad... haters to balance out the fanboys, but Kain doesn't even have that.
I hate Kain. He's a douche. I hate Rydia. I think she's a bit of a brat. I'm in love with Edward... actually, not really. He's useless.


Tifa... And in her original outfit, which is my favorite outfit.
I am shocked and appalled.


Calling AC outfit and cowboy outfit for Tifa's alternate costumes.

Apparently Cloud's KH outfit will be DLC for people who buy Birth by Sleep Final Mix. I hate Square. >:'(
AC obvious, but the cowboy outfit is one I'd like to see. It was featured as an unlockable alternate previously in Ehrgeiz but although it had more detail than the polygons would allow in the original, it was still none too satisfying.

That... would... suck.


I foresee a lot of criticism due to the fact that this game looks like it plays almost exactly the same as the first.
I had to sell my copy (along with 50 other games for four bucks a pop to those god-forsaken money-grubbing Satan-worshipping buttmunches at GameStop [could've just as easily been any other game store, I suppose] because I didn't have four months to wait for a buyer online and I desperately needed the extra funds to take a trip up to Canada which was supposed to save my relationship with my girlfriend but only taught me that I'm a big douche and probably doomed our relationship altogether...), so I really wouldn't mind this game being nearly identical to the original. I'll buy it... as soon as I get my PSP's screen fixed. Worthless fragile piece of garbage...




Cloud's KH outfit will be DLC >:'(

Perhaps a standard pre-existing alt in the American version.
Knowing Square-Enix it will cost a dollar or something
"Higher Priced New Release of PSP-Exclusive Title Final Fantasy Dissidia Duodecim Special Edition with Added Material!"
"Much Higher Priced Even Newer Re-release of PSP-Title Dissida Duodecim: Final Fantasy Collector's Edition with Bonus Content and Added Features that should have been on the original copy but weren't because Square likes to jerk you around until all of your change is emptied from your pockets!" *sigh* I'd probably buy it.


*Aya costume.
Who's gonna wear this costume? Lightning? You think?

I would also like to see Tidus sporting the Shuyin look and Dressphere Yuna... I like a lot of her looks. It would be awesome if you could actually shift between most of her jobs and costumes, but... evs.


My guess is that Kuja isn't a Warrior of Cosmos but rather he's being mistaken for one cause it sounds like they are searching for other Cosmos warriors (most likely Kain and Lightning). SE has hinted their may be 4 to 10 new characters but didn't specify exactly nor did they mention if Kain and Lightning are part of that number. Also, it appears both the English and Japanese VA's for Vaan have been Twittering about new work for SE so there is a good possibility that Vaan might be one of the new heroes.
When I first read that, I mistook "Kuja" for "Kain". It sounded more interesting that way. Vaan in the game... okay.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

New photos for Duodecim on SE's facebook page...

DISSIDIA 012[duodecim] FINAL FANTASY | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=210135&id=23436918370)

Edit: Looks more like a FFVII and FFIII fighting game to me.

[Roogle]

I really hope they don't go that route, to be honest. I don't like fighting games, even the "good" ones like Street Fighter or Smash Bros. One of the reasons I felt Dissidia worked so well was that it didn't feel like another genre entirely from the games it was based on. Actually, it felt like a simplified Kingdom Hearts engine, which is a series I REALLY love. In fact, I wouldn't mind if the main numbered games took a few pages out of Dissidia's book and they made a series of retro, nostalgic traditional RPGs for the handhelds like they've been doing with 4 Heroes and Warriors of Light and Darkness.

I speculate that the reason that Dissidia Final Fantasy never took off in the fighting game community is due to its resemblance to Kingdom Hearts and other action games' mechanics. It does not play or feel like a fighting game to me, and that is detrimental to the experience as it is marketed and presented as a fighting game. Maybe they should add more role-playing game elements and allow it to be more like a Kingdom Hearts game, then.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

I really hope they don't go that route, to be honest. I don't like fighting games, even the "good" ones like Street Fighter or Smash Bros. One of the reasons I felt Dissidia worked so well was that it didn't feel like another genre entirely from the games it was based on. Actually, it felt like a simplified Kingdom Hearts engine, which is a series I REALLY love. In fact, I wouldn't mind if the main numbered games took a few pages out of Dissidia's book and they made a series of retro, nostalgic traditional RPGs for the handhelds like they've been doing with 4 Heroes and Warriors of Light and Darkness.

I speculate that the reason that Dissidia Final Fantasy never took off in the fighting game community is due to its resemblance to Kingdom Hearts and other action games' mechanics. It does not play or feel like a fighting game to me, and that is detrimental to the experience as it is marketed and presented as a fighting game. Maybe they should add more role-playing game elements and allow it to be more like a Kingdom Hearts game, then.

I don't think they should. Reason being, it would give the game a much more apparent storyline which takes away from all the the original games. Some already say that the current dissia crushed the original games and characters already. And, to an extent, I have to agree. What they should do it keep what they have and expand on little things like fighting features, characters additions, incorperation features (Such as say, fighting badass monsters instead of manakins), and player control (such as character creation). That would be fucking sweet if this game had a character creation.

[Wolf Kanno]

I don't think they should try to appeal to hardcore fighting game fans. I rather enjoy the fighting mechanics of Dissidia because it blended RPG and Fighting game elements. Its not as heavily skilled based like most top tier fighting games but at the same time its not like getting a level 100 character guarantees victory.

Its a decent blend of both types of gameplay and I like the whole Bravery tug of war aspect of the game cause it sets the game apart from normal combo/reversal/counter mechanics of all the other fighting games out there. I also feel that part of the reason Dissidia didn't take off in the fighting community has more to do with the limitations of online play the game has. If Dissidia 2 needs anything gameplay wise, it needs real online play.

[SuperMillionaire]

I would say maybe just dabble slightly into adding more true fighting game features into the mix. Only slightly, though, if they want to be experimental.

[Mercen-X]

I think the world's gonna bow before Monty Oum. Square Enix and Tecmo will likely grant license to produce full-blown Dead Fantasy films because, let's face it, there's appeal in crossing universes. Obviously, no one really wants to see a Final Fantasy fighting game or even Final Fantasy characters featured in Tekken, Dead or Alive, or Street Fighter. Maybe Smash Bros.

But I don't know of anyone who hates the Monty Oum series. Personally, I'm waiting to Killer Fantasy. It doesn't exist because I made it up, but I'm still waiting for it. For anyone not in the know, I'm deriving Killer from "Killer 7" and I think MO should do a clip of Final Fantasy gunners going to toe-to-toe (and teaming up) with the Killer 7 and the other assassins.

[SuperMillionaire]

I think the world's gonna bow before Monty Oum. Square Enix and Tecmo will likely grant license to produce full-blown Dead Fantasy films because, let's face it, there's appeal in crossing universes. Obviously, no one really wants to see a Final Fantasy fighting game or even Final Fantasy characters featured in Tekken, Dead or Alive, or Street Fighter. Maybe Smash Bros.

But I don't know of anyone who hates the Monty Oum series. Personally, I'm waiting to Killer Fantasy. It doesn't exist because I made it up, but I'm still waiting for it. For anyone not in the know, I'm deriving Killer from "Killer 7" and I think MO should do a clip of Final Fantasy gunners going to toe-to-toe (and teaming up) with the Killer 7 and the other assassins.

Personally, I think SE would make a great crossover with either Capcom or Arc System Works.

[Wolf Kanno]

Going back on topic...

Here's a magazine article (http://electronictheatre.co.uk/index.php/playstation-portable/playstation-portable-images/6464-dissidia-012duodecim-final-fantasy-vaan-screenshots-revealed) showing screenshots of Vaan in-game as well as a look at Terra's alternate outfit.

[qwertysaur]

Looks like Terra will be fighting for Chaos via slave crown, and after fighting Vaan she comes to her senses :p

[Mercen-X]

Well, at least Vaan's alt doesn't look like JUST a palette swap... I can't tell what Terra's wearing. If it's related to Final Fantasy VI, I wouldn't know, cause I never played past the Magitek suits.

[Wolf Kanno]

After looking at he outfit for a bit. She's wearing Kefka's armlets. So I'm guessing its a female version of one of Kefka's outfits.

Since this is a prequel to the original, we already know how Sephiroth's story is going to end. I hope they expand the villains more since they are getting their own story mode now.

Editga: Famitsu posted pictures of Vaan, Gabranth, Terra, and Kefka's new outfits. (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/16/gabranth-gets-basch-costume-as-dissidia-012duodecim-final-fantasy-third-form/)

Vaan is wearing his Amano outfit
Gabranth is wearing Captain Basch's uniform
Terra is in a White an Blue variation of her outfit with allusions to Kefka's clothing.
Kefka is in his third Amano outfit

[Jessweeee♪]

Impostor Basch Gabranth? Awesome!

[espritduo]

Terra's alternate is an Amano piece that was made for the original FFVI and never used, as is Kefka's alternate. You can see the full artwork here:

www.espritduo.com/images/terra_blue1.jpg

And a couple other blue Terra's:

www.espritduo.com/images/terra_blue2.jpg
www.espritduo.com/images/terra_blue3.jpg

[Mercen-X]

I'm so glad they didn't choose that... peacock?

The only bits that have changed on Vaan's outfit to make it "wild" are the gloves, the sword, the accessories on his vest, and the color of his waist cloth. I still think they should have just given him Reks's outfit.

[Wolf Kanno]

Terra's alternate is an Amano piece that was made for the original FFVI and never used, as is Kefka's alternate. You can see the full artwork here:

www.espritduo.com/images/terra_blue1.jpg (http://www.espritduo.com/images/terra_blue1.jpg)

And a couple other blue Terra's:

www.espritduo.com/images/terra_blue2.jpg (http://www.espritduo.com/images/terra_blue2.jpg)
www.espritduo.com/images/terra_blue3.jpg (http://www.espritduo.com/images/terra_blue3.jpg)

Sweet, I've never seen these drawings of her before. Are they in any of Amano's works or just a rare book by Square?

For those wondering... This is the look Kefka is based off of.

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And this is a link to the picture of Vaan's outfit that its based on.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100506183529/finalfantasy/images/5/5e/FFXII_Amano.jpg

EDITGA:

The english site (http://na.square-enix.com/dissidia_012/#/characters) has updated as well. Though I'm sure most people will ignore it, since its lagging behind on content and info from the Japanese site.

[espritduo]

They can be found in an artbook called The Sky, made by Square around 2001. It is extremely rare and extremely expensive, but you can find it on eBay if you are willing to pay around $400-$600 for it. It contains every single last piece of art Amano did for FFI-FFX, which is almost everything he's every done, since he hasn't done more than one or two pieces for each FF since then. I got it while it was still in print, and it was well worth the price. There's over a thousand images across three large books, with many of them never being published before or since.

[Evastio]

Out of curiousity, has anyone checked the English Official Dissidia Duodecim Site? Because the character screen layout is implying that Lightning, Kain, Tifa, and Vaan are the only newcomers based on the empty character cards and the FF numbers. You can even check it out yourself to see what I mean (http://na.square-enix.com/dissidia_012/#/characters).

[Wolf Kanno]

Well, SE said the new cast could be anywhere from 4 to 10 characters, they never did specify. Still, the list is off, cause Vaan has already been confirmed in Japan, yet the U.S. site only has one slot for XII; so I feel its safe to say that most of the numbered slots are simply the returning cast, and the site hasn't accommodated the new characters, in order to keep them a surprise.

Though, I do find it interesting that there is a mystery slot behind Lightning. Perhaps FFXIV's token character or maybe a hint of a non-numbered FF character?

[Jessweeee♪]

I'm still hoping for Sazh, though they made it sound like they had to choose between him and Lightning :(

[Wolf Kanno]

Well it does look like SE is going to support DLC for the game; so perhaps he may become a DLC character down the road. ;)

[SuperMillionaire]

I actually would rather have Snow in there.

[Evastio]

Though, I do find it interesting that there is a mystery slot behind Lightning. Perhaps FFXIV's token character or maybe a hint of a non-numbered FF character?
Based on the fact that FFXII only has one slot shown, I'm thinking it's Vaan, and they're going to move it to the FFXII area once he's revealed. Though that's just me assuming the worst case scenario, so if the worst case scenario doesn't happen it'll psych me up for the game even more.

...but if there are really only four new characters, that's rather disappointing. Especially since they aren't adding any new villains. Let's just hope like crazy my guess is wrong.

[Wolf Kanno]

Except your forgetting that Gabranth is shown in the trailer. So having one slot has to go to one of them but both are confirmed... ;)

I'm sure SE is just teasing. 10 new characters sounds about right and if memory serves me correct, they gave that estimate after Lightning, Kain, and Tifa were already confirmed, so there may even be a chance the list of new characters are actually 13.

If it's 13 then that is enough to bring one new character from each FF title, unless SE decides to screw a few entries (I, III, and IX sadly come to mind) so they can bring out more characters from more popular FFs or spin-offs.

[Evastio]

Except your forgetting that Gabranth is shown in the trailer. So having one slot has to go to one of them but both are confirmed... ;)

I'm sure SE is just teasing. 10 new characters sounds about right and if memory serves me correct, they gave that estimate after Lightning, Kain, and Tifa were already confirmed, so there may even be a chance the list of new characters are actually 13.

If it's 13 then that is enough to bring one new character from each FF title, unless SE decides to screw a few entries (I, III, and IX sadly come to mind) so they can bring out more characters from more popular FFs or spin-offs.
I was thinking that Gabranth is the FFXII slot that's empty currently while Vaan is the ? slot.

For FFs that likely won't be getting new characters, I'm heavily betting that FFI won't get any (especially since there aren't any central characters that can be added). And Xande will likely be getting the axe again (I still don't get why they chose the Cloud of Darkness since to me, that's like choosing Zemus over Golbez). I'm guessing FFII won't be getting any new characters either, though I was really hoping that Leon would be added. I've posted the rest of my guesses in the "Let's Play a Little Game" thread. I'm wondering if they'll be adding a FFXIII villain and any FFXIV representatives.

On a side note, if you're wondering why I like Leon and not Kain, even I don't really know, seeing how they're both traitors. I guess it's the whole fact that Kain succumbed to his jealousy and hate, twice, while Leon wasn't mind controlled because of his weaknesses. I know that Golbez is also like Kain, with the mind control issue. Though at least Golbez really tries hard to make up for it, especially in the last part of FFIV, FFIV The After Years, and in the first Dissidia. And judging on the Dissidia Duodecim previews, I'd say that Golbez in general in Dissidia is a much better good guy than Kain could ever hope to be (though I can't say that for sure yet since I don't know the story). At least everything Golbez did to the good guys was to secretly help them in his own way.

[Edit] To not sound like a blind hater, I guess I will mention that there are some things I like about Kain, like how he apologizes and atones for the bad actions he commits (though not to an extreme degree like Golbez does) and how his whole rivalling personality he has is rather interesting, though I think he takes the whole "viewing allies as rivals" mindset to a whole new level.

[SuperMillionaire]

Then why don't they just add Zemus in there as well?

[Wolf Kanno]

I still say its too early to say if the ? is just Vaan.

Honestly, I still feel that Leon has a good chance. It's IX I feel may have issues garnering another worthwhile character out of the game. Only Vivi and Dagger have actual relationships with both Zidane and Kuja. I feel both would create issues trying to make builds for their fighting styles and have issues fitting into the plot. Still, I'm really hoping for Vivi cause he has the better chance and I like him more.

I guess my main concern is that Lightning still needs a villain (though I wouldn't mind if they decided to opt out cause XIII never had good villains to begin with) and I just can't get over this nagging feeling that SE will cave into the Japanese fandom and bring both Yuna and Seymour into the game, since both were originally considered. That's why I feel a few FFs might get the flack so they bring two characters from a numbered FF instead of one. Hell, I'm still waiting for Zack Fair to be announced to represent Crisis Core and be a secret character.

As for Xande/CoD vs. Golbez/Zemus; there is one major factor you are forgetting here. The OKs don't have an actual relationship with either one of III's villains. Xande may have had more to do with the plot but he still technically a random evil bad guy to the main characters. They don't know each other and they don't even meet til the very end of the game. Golbez was chosen cause he actually has a history with Cecil. Considering Kain was originally considered before Golbez by the development team should show that Golbez wasn't special to begin with.

CoD I felt was chosen cause it represents the true main theme and conflict of III, a battle for balance and the need for light and darkness. If it was Xande, it would simply be about him. Since Dissidia pretty much takes most of the characters out of their environments and scenarios; Xande would completely lose what made him an interesting villain to begin with. He would just be another "I R EVIL" wizard. It's like how some of the villains like Kuja, Sephiroth and ExDeath for example, are kinda flat in Dissidia. Because once you remove their main conflicts you realize they don't have much else going for them.

[Mercen-X]

You know, I never really gave that much thought. I have usually wondered why I couldn't make up my mind about Sephiroth. His physical style is cool and I dig the "making-up-for-his-shortcomings" gigantic sword, but otherwise Sephiroth is damned shallow. If at any point in the VII saga they had expressed that Sephiroth could be a decent person should the world allow him to be, he would've been that much more interesting. But to have his "switch" flipped from good/sane to evil/psychotic in a matter of moments was pretty disappointing. Sephiroth had no real history of trauma to justify his quest. He just suddenly decided to be a jick.

Genesis may have been a little weird, but I honestly feel he was a better executed villain than Sephiroth. He should definitely be the next VII reveal for Duodecim.

And to remind y'all my opinions for the rest: "I" doesn't need any, II should be Leon, III should be Xande or Goldor (bonus points if they design him to look similar to Power Rangers Goldar lol), IV should be Edge or Yang, V should be Faris & Gilgamesh (just because Gilgamesh is now one of FF's staples), VI should be either Shadow or Sabin (notice me trying to do away with "swords"?), Zell for 8, 9 would be either Vivi, Amaranth, or Steiner (if only because I think his Trance form looks cool), X would be funny to have baller Wakka, and I'm not gonna even try for XI,XII,XIII...

[Jessweeee♪]

Oh man. No more Genesis. Please. Probably the only FF character I downright hate. Crisis Core would have been so much better without him :(

[Wolf Kanno]

For once we're in agreement on something FF related.

No... just good god no to Genesis. He single-handedly ruined Crisis Core and the last thing I need is him ruining Dissidia with his constant quotes from smurfing Loveless.

[SuperMillionaire]

LOL

Yeah, his lines were strange, indeed. Although I do think maybe we should give him a chance for his fighting style.

[Mercen-X]

What? C'mon Genesis was like a deranged-Shakespeare version of Kefka. At least Genesis was a
character... Sephiroth was just "that thing the good guys fight."

[Wolf Kanno]

Genesis felt like what would happen if a whiny Sephiroth Fanboy with low self-esteem, wrote himself into his own fanfiction as a Mary Sue but thanks to his crappy attitude about himself spends the rest of the plot either whining about not being as cool as Sephiroth and spouting lame ass poetry about obscure VII references. Genesis should die in a fire, he ruins Crisis Core. At least Sephiroth feels like a villain and not a whiny loser with an inferiority complex.

On topic...

The Japanese site just updated with a video explaining the Assist abilities and I must say I'm truly impressed. It might not convert the hard core fighting game fans like Roogle but I say it's a step in the right direction.

For those to lazy to check the site:

There are two gauges under the life bar which are the assist gauges. It fills up as your character attacks and moves forward, but it takes a cue from Guilty Gear, the gauge will deplete if you stop acting or stay too defensively. When one gauge is filled, you summon another fighter to throw a few cheap shots at the enemy with a Bravery attack. With two gauges filled, the assist character can use a HP attack. The other cool feature is that it is possible to still attack while the assist character is battling. This allows some interesting combos... One the video shows is a poor Garland getting sandwiched between Lightning (Main) and WoL (Assist) both performing one of their nastier HP attacks and Garland is literally juggled between both of them. :cool:

[Forsaken Lover]

You're all crazy.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/MarnyCromwell/gackt_06.jpg

Gackt is one of the hottest FF characters ever.

[SuperMillionaire]

I still liked Genesis, though, for his appearance and fighting style, and his lines are funny, too.

[Mercen-X]

I admit I'm definitely biased. I have no real love for the artist (though the theme music he provided for DoC was pretty good), but I think Gackt's version of the Genesis outfit NEEDS to be represented in the game. Genesis's red coat feels plain next to the accessorized Gackt version.

Plus, Go Dougan of Saiyuki was a total whining nutter too, but I still feel he at least gave good enough reason for his evil actions and I like his character design too.

[Forsaken Lover]

~The Man With The Machine Gun is in~ (http://dissidia.info/images/laguna.jpg)

[ShinGundam]

~The Man With The Machine Gun is in~ (http://dissidia.info/images/laguna.jpg)

BANZAAI!!!!!!! The game has 3D Overworld no more Boards
SHUTUPANDTAKEMYMONEYALREADY.JPG

[Jessweeee♪]

Genesis felt like what would happen if a whiny Sephiroth Fanboy with low self-esteem, wrote himself into his own fanfiction as a Mary Sue but thanks to his crappy attitude about himself spends the rest of the plot either whining about not being as cool as Sephiroth and spouting lame ass poetry about obscure VII references. Genesis should die in a fire, he ruins Crisis Core. At least Sephiroth feels like a villain and not a whiny loser with an inferiority complex.


I could have sworn I read somewhere that there was some connection between Square and fanfiction writers. Like, they were looking for fanfiction writers, or they were gathering ideas about what the fans wanted by reading fanfictions or something like that. That would really explain a few things about the FFVII compilation.


EDIT:

Laguna?! Yeeeesss.

[Wolf Kanno]

I'm surprised that Seifer was once again overlooked in favor of Laguna but I'm not really complaining cause I love the man and it will be interesting to actually see Laguna and Squall interact cause they sadly don't have much of it in their own game.

I'm more impressed with the world map. I liked the chessboard aspect in the first game but this is also a welcome surprise. It's scary to think it will be released soon, in Japan. :plumcheer:

[Elskidor]

Can't complain about Laguna, although surprised it's not Rinoa or Seifer. I'm glad it wasn't Seifer, but Rinoa not being picked is a little shocking.

[Jessweeee♪]

Seifer's character would have been a wonderful addition, but his moveset would be exactly like Squall's, which was why he wasn't included the first time around.

[Mercen-X]

I don't think they'll completely ex-out Rinoa. Did they give Squall any of Seifer's moves. I can't remember.

Seifer's moves include No Mercy, Demon Spin, and Odin Killer and I don't remember if he had any more. For those who never found Odin, Odin Killer is a cutscene in which Odin comes to your rescue (assuming you've earned him through the Odin dungeon) and Seifer slices him in half. Yes, I said that correctly: SEIFER sliced ODIN in HALF.

[Elskidor]

I thought that was probably one of the lamest things in FF history. Dork boy Seifer kills Odin?? Come on?!?!? Odin's been through it all, but when he meet Seifer he's in over his head.

[Wolf Kanno]

I don't think they'll completely ex-out Rinoa. Did they give Squall any of Seifer's moves. I can't remember.

Seifer's moves include No Mercy, Demon Spin, and Odin Killer and I don't remember if he had any more. For those who never found Odin, Odin Killer is a cutscene in which Odin comes to your rescue (assuming you've earned him through the Odin dungeon) and Seifer slices him in half. Yes, I said that correctly: SEIFER sliced ODIN in HALF.

To clarify...

No Mercy, Demon Spin, Bloodfest, and Zansetsuken Reverse are Seifer's signature finisher moves. No Mercy can be seen when he's in your party and when you fight hm at the parade. Demon Spin can be seen when you battle him at Galbadia Garden in Disc 2. Bloodfest can be seen in the final battle against him but most people miss it cause they either destroy him with their overpowered party, or Gilgamesh shows up and defeats him while you're sucking him dry of Aura spells.

The last one (Zansetsuken Reverse) is the move he used to take down Odin, and this is the name I've heard it called by fans. It apparently has something to do with the kanji displayed when he executes the move. It's not an official Limit break of his but fans recognize it as such.

As for Squall getting Seifer's moves, it has to do with Squall's fighting style (specifically how he holds the gunblade when he fights) more than him acquiring any of his rivals signature moves. Squall holds his gunblade with two hands like a broadsword whereas Seifer and Laguna hold theirs like a Rapier with one hand. The creators said that making him fight sometimes one handed like that is suppose to be a reference to Seifer's fighting style. Cecil and Terra have similar shout outs. Cecil has several jumping/lunging attacks that are suppose to be a reference to Kain while Terra predominately uses Ice magic instead of her signature fire spells as a reference to Celes who uses Ice magic as her dominate element.

[Mercen-X]

No Mercy can also be seen during Squall and Seifer's dual during the opening FMV.

Anyway, my point: If they're not including Seifer, then Squall needs to get some of his moves.

BTW, yeah, the only reason I mentioned the Odin Killer "Zantetsuken Reverse" whatever, is because it is something that he was able to do just like a certain youtube vid featured a makeshift LIMIT break for Cloud (Bahamut Slayer) modeled after his Advent Children Bahamut Sin takedown. The funny thing is that I never personally viewed the "Bahamut Slayer" as a separate attack and just figured it was a new take on the Clim Hazzard. Reconstituting it as a separate attack called the Bahamut Slayer just struck me as ridiculous. But the "Zatetsuken Reverse" is a move that is unique in Seifer's arsenal and was worth at least a mention. I know he just stands there pointing, but still...

[Wolf Kanno]

Depending on how well Dissidia 2 goes, I'm pretty sure a Dissidia 3 is in the pipeline so I wouldn't be crossing moves over at this point. They only did it in the original cause I don't think SE believed it would be so successful.

I think Seifer still has a possible future in Dissidia.

[SuperMillionaire]

Dissidia 3 would be the 14th cycle of battle, Wolf.

[Wolf Kanno]

Knowing Squenix, it could be any cycle. They could easily start us back at cycle one if they wanted to. ;)

[SuperMillionaire]

Yeah, that's true, too...

[Zeon]

I'm excited about the new Dissidia game. The only characters I'm intrigued about so far, though, are Laguna, Vaan, and Kain. Can't wait to see who else is appearing. I also hope they surprise us with music. I hope they bring "The Landing" from FFVIII, "Hunter's Chance" from FFIX, the music that plays when Firion and co. fight the Lamia Queen from FFII, and some others.

I'm planning to get it, no matter who or what they put. Just as long as it's good, I'll be happy. :)

[ShinGundam]

New alts. :D

http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2010/12/15/1012151039041177857312311.jpg
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[Wolf Kanno]

Laguna's doesn't surprise me, and even Ultimecia's doesn't surprise me cause I was hopin they would do that. :D CoD is not a surprise since there is like only one picture of her in the concept art.

Squall wearing his Amano design is a bit surprising but looks a hell of a lot better than I thought it would. Onion Knights it a bit mystifying... It looks like it's based off the "Man with Whit hair" who acts as the hero in all the Amano artwork but I don't remember him wearing black. His outfit is usually blue with white trim.

So far, these are better alternate outfits than what has been given so far for other characters.

[SuperMillionaire]

Hey guys, check this out:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh207/Ixbran/Tifa-kingdomheartsfistcopy.png

That's right: Tifa's ultimate weapons, the Premium Heart pair of gloves, have the Kingdom Hearts logo on them!

[Northcrest]

Wasn't sure if this was mentioned yet but its also been confirmed that Yuna is in the game. Trailer Summary Translation - Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy Message Board for PSP - GameFAQs (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/605802-dissidia-012-duodecim-final-fantasy/57520095) . Heres the link to where they talk about the trailer seen at Jump Festa and Yuna has been pretty much figured out by now. Theres also the Phantom Train stage from VI that was revealed, so i guess we can expect another character from final fantasy vi (hopefully a chaos character).

[SuperMillionaire]

Yay, Yuna! I believe that her fighting style will combine dress-spheres, summoning, and gun-slinging...

[Jessweeee♪]

Yuna will be an interesting addition. I love Ultimecia's alternate costume. Onion Knight's alternate hair is kind of dumb.

[Elskidor]

Be interesting to see Yuna fight. She's a summoner so I wonder if we'll get to see some of the Espers/Aeons/Eidolens.

[ShinGundam]

Direct feed :
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http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5411/rl6gmqacao3tz6ssh5sp32o.jpg

[nirojan]

Its been listed on the Square Enix store:
ディシディア デュオデシム ファイナルファンタジー：スクウェア・エニックス e-STORE (http://store.jp.square-enix.com/detail/ULJM-05814)

The release date is shown for March 3, 2011. The Rating is Cero C (15+), akin to our T rating, and it goes for 6, 090 Yen (will probably retail for $39.99 here)!

Some Screens:
http://store.jp.square-enix.com/detail/ULJM-05814/10/1/1http://store.jp.square-enix.com/detail/ULJM-05814/10/1/2http://store.jp.square-enix.com/detail/ULJM-05814/10/1/3
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Soource:: http://store.jp.square-enix.com/mobile/detail/ULJM-05814

[Evastio]

So far Laguna is my favourite newcomer. I'd say he's my new "Jecht" type character (ie: an FF character who I knew barely anything about, but quickly became a favourite based on what I learned of their origin from Dissidia). Of course, I'll still be using Jecht (even if I am only capable of doing the first stage of his combos out of luck). It's always been a tradition of mine to never ditch old mains of a game when they're still available in the sequel. In fact, I use them more often than the newcomers.

And although this isn't confirmed, I've got some somewhat bad news. According to this article (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/12/20/square-enix-still-has-super-nintendo-and-up-dissidia-012duodecim-characters-to-reveal/), there won't be any new characters from FFI-III. Well, so much for characters like Leon and Xande.

[Wolf Kanno]

I'm still holding out for Leon, I didn't feel like I and III had any more workable characters so I'm not going to be terribly surprised if no one else is elected.

Dear god, SE do the right thing. Don't put Yuna in this game and give us Auron instead. He will work so much better in terms of story and gameplay for Dissidia...

I'm expecting Gilgamesh to be revealed sometime soon but after that it's anyones guess who else may show up. I'm still expecting Colonel Mustan... I mean Cid Raines from XIII to be called upon as XIII's villain. Locke is a good guess for VI but once again I feel Celes or Leo would actually work better for story purposes. I'm also still holding out for Vivi for IX but will accept Beatrix if she is chosen instead.

Also, Nomura mentioned a while back that their would be just as many new stages to fight in as new characters. We already know that XIII last dungeon has been confirmed as well as XII's Sky Fortress Bahamut. According to a few other articles I've been reading concerning the new trailer from Jump Festa, their is a train location that pops up in some of the cutscenes. Most places I've read think it's the Phantom Train but due to lack of any more description I might make a guess that it could be Midgard instead. There are also some people saying the Prima Vista is a location as well.

I'm more curious now about other gameplay changes. How is equipment working out for this entry? Anything being modified for the sake of balance. How have the old characters been reworked, anyone nerfed (Please say yes for Cloud) anyone been beefed up (please say yes to Mateus). We saw a ton of new moves from the first major trailer, any info?

[Jessweeee♪]

I just want Cloud back to his old self. He was actually pretty cool in FFVII :(

[Wolf Kanno]

We got a bit of new info (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/21/nomura_takahashi_dissidia/) about some of the extras and game related stuff for the game.

Here's a quick rundown of the new stuff revealed:


:choc: New characters will be from the SNES era and up. *sniff* I wanted Leon... :cry:

:choc: Kefka and Shantotto have joined Firion as being some of the characters whose battle styles are being reworked for the game.

:choc: Dissidia 1's story mode is an unlockable extra and is being remade to go with Dissidia 2's map system.

:choc: The chessboard system still exists as the games "dungeons" and is apparently being reworked to make it more fun.

:choc: Laguna Lorie was originally meant to be in KH:BbS but was removed from the game and reworked for Dissidia 2 instead.

:choc: The map system was suppose to be in Dissidia 1 but was never implemented cause the idea came late in development.

editga: Someone got a chance to play through most of the cast and wrote down some move set changes. (http://www.counterburst.com/showthread.php?59-Sekai-s-Duodecim-Jump-Festa-Gameplay-Report)

[Northcrest]

DISSIDIA 012 FINAL FANTASY | SQUARE ENIX (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/)

The Jump Festa Trailer is up. Had some crazy stuff going on, hope it gets translated quick. Looks like Laguna is gonna be a beast of a character can't wait!

[Jessweeee♪]

I wonder what Laguna'll sound like in English. I can hear his voice perfectly when he says "WHAT-EEEEVER MAAAN" in FFVIII xD

[Forsaken Lover]

Sorry Wk but Yuna has been confirmed.

I'm happy honestly. If it's Gunner Yuna at least. Otherwise I too would have preferred Auron.

[Elskidor]

Summoner Yuna could be really neat if they let her use them as her weapons, and gunner Yuna would likely be too much like Laguna. Yet, if Yuna gets to use summons just because she was in a game that made her the only playable character to use them, then it also wouldn't make much sense seeing as almost all of the other characters were able to use summons in every random encounter in their origin game. Hmm...which makes me wonder what the heck will she do if she doesn't use a gun or have summons? Give her a full sphere grid or just give her a bunch of healing spells, Holy and a pitiful popping wand?

[Jessweeee♪]

Nah, I don't think Yuna would be too similar to Laguna if she had her gun. Yuna has pistols, and Laguna obviously prefers the Big Guns. An FFX-2 style Yuna would most likely be able to switch between dresspheres much like how Cecil can switch classes. Besides, look at all of the characters with blades for weapons :p

Summoner Yuna would be pretty cool though.

[Wolf Kanno]

The only way to make Yuna work is going to be doing the FFX-2 route and just let her switch between Dresspheres. I imagine she'll get her parties starting classes so Gunner, Swordsman, and Thief. Her Ex-Mode will probably be her ultimate dressphere.

Like others have pointed out, I feel it would be really awkward for her move set to be using summons when the rest of the cast can use them as well. Its the main reasons why I always felt it would take awhile for Rydia and Garnet to show up as characters.

Still, I feel we should have gotten Auron. Programing his move set would have been easy but more importantly, I feel he would have worked better for story purposes since he has a strong connection with both Jecht and Tidus.

Its anyone's guess who will be revealed now. I still think Gilgamesh has a very strong chance of being chosen for FFV or just as a secret character but the rest of the new cast is a mystery. I'm still wondering if XI is going to get a counterpart for Shantatto but I really don't think so for some reason.

[Hot Shot]

It looks like it's gonna be FF X Yuna cos of the JF trailer.. Which I personally prefer to X-2 version cos there are lots of characters that can change class/weapons so there is no need to add another one. I've always wanted her in the game cos there isn't anybody else like her. I wonder who else will make the cut (I really want Steiner, Barret or Seifer)

[Elskidor]

It looks like it's gonna be FF X Yuna cos of the JF trailer.. Which I personally prefer to X-2 version cos there are lots of characters that can change class/weapons so there is no need to add another one. I've always wanted her in the game cos there isn't anybody else like her. I wonder who else will make the cut (I really want Steiner, Barret or Seifer)

Count Barret and Seifer out because they already have Laguna and Tifa, but Stiener is possible. Would they really leave Vivi out though? I think not.

[Hot Shot]

Yeah, you're totally right. Seifer and Barret won't be in it (there just personally favourites of mine) but Vivi would be to similar to Shanatto so i doubt he'd be in it. My money's on Amarant for FF IX. But when they announced the game they said there will only be characters from the snes upwards and the number of chaos/cosmos won't necessarily be the same so there may be more cosmos characters to come (although I highly doubt it)

[dunit697]

I don't think people should be so shocked about yuna...I prefer auron sure, yuna even looks like an ex-gf of mine, xd, but still, square seems to have a compulsive need to have couples...I am surprised they held back in dissidia 1. I agree the story would be easier to work with auron, but for commercial purposes, character selects will be more important for selling than super clean story flow. Not to mention this time they are trying to add more females it seems. Her gameplay is figured to be more difficult to make by most but honestly I think its just harder to predict. Between X and X-2 they have more than enough fighting material, characters like WoL, firion, or CoD were made pretty well having much less info. I am certainly not praising her arrival, but realistically am not surprised or greatly disappointed.
Also, this may have been discussed, but Terra is chaos side I hear? If so they wouldn't have any hero from vi. So I think the Leo option would make him a hero if he gets in, (also kefka would never side with him) but I still am expecting locke much to my objection. I feel like his demeanor is to similar to other heroes...I would prefer a hero that is more of a pig like Edgar, opinions? I am still hoping for Leo though, I don't think anyone would dislike his entry, he could defiantly work as cosmos, story would work MUCH better than most other characters. Perhaps him sacrificing himself fighting kefka to free Terra or something, Terra learning from him again...not to mention kefka needs something to HATE! He can have fun with destruction sure, but that's only part of his character. Hatred of him, and how much he hates others is a key part of his character I feel was overlooked in dissidia 1. In fact, the only hate line I remember was one if his loss lines...correct me if wrong. I think Leo is perfect for the spot, my problem is the phantom train which he had nothing to do with...unless he rode it out of the gates of hell......epic...unless wolf kanno is right that it might be midgar... anyway, opinions?

[Wolf Kanno]

I'm starting to reassess the idea of Locke being in the game and I'm thinking it might be Celes or even Cyan for surprise sake. My reasoning being that every new scene with Terra and Vaan it just seems obviously that its a parallel to Terra and Locke's time together in VI so I kinda feel he's fulfilling the role he would have had in the game. I don't think he can be counted out yet obviously but I now feel Celes or perhaps an unknown may have a higher chance of getting in.

As for Leo, while he would be great for story purposes, he's a relative unknown in VI's cast. He had a higher chance of being put in the game when we all first thought it would be a hero and a villain but now that it's down to one per game possibly (I'm still waiting for Seymour...) then I felt his chances were shot to all hell. Besides, both Celes and Cyan have equally good standing for being heroes against Kefka.

As for the Phantom Train, after finally seeing the stage in the cutscenes, I feel its a good possibility unless it's just an atypical train for the game. It's interior does look very similar to the Phantom Trains making me wonder if the Phantom Forest slash/Train will be VI's new stage. I personally would have done Narshe but that's me...

[Mercen-X]

Dissidia 3 would be the 14th cycle of battle, Wolf.Actually, it wouldn't. There hasn't even been a Dissidia 2 yet. Duodecim is a prequel which doesn't count as Dissidia 2 (that would be the 14th cycle), so Dissidia 3 would be the 15th cycle... and the tournament does the whole process of elimination thing, that means fewer and fewer playables.
Dissidia Undecim would be the 11th cycle, a prequel having more characters which have not yet been eliminated from the tournament. Traveling backwards through time seems to be the only way to add more characters to the roster (which makes more sense than most "fighters" today especially Mortal dumbass Kombat. If it's a battle to the death, how come everybody keeps coming back?)

[Hot Shot]

I'm starting to reassess the idea of Locke being in the game and I'm thinking it might be Celes or even Cyan for surprise sake. My reasoning being that every new scene with Terra and Vaan it just seems obviously that its a parallel to Terra and Locke's time together in VI so I kinda feel he's fulfilling the role he would have had in the game. I don't think he can be counted out yet obviously but I now feel Celes or perhaps an unknown may have a higher chance of getting in.

As for Leo, while he would be great for story purposes, he's a relative unknown in VI's cast. He had a higher chance of being put in the game when we all first thought it would be a hero and a villain but now that it's down to one per game possibly (I'm still waiting for Seymour...) then I felt his chances were shot to all hell. Besides, both Celes and Cyan have equally good standing for being heroes against Kefka.

As for the Phantom Train, after finally seeing the stage in the cutscenes, I feel its a good possibility unless it's just an atypical train for the game. It's interior does look very similar to the Phantom Trains making me wonder if the Phantom Forest slash/Train will be VI's new stage. I personally would have done Narshe but that's me...

If they put they use the Phantom Train as a stage, Cyan is more likely to be added (due to the fact that he has a history with the train and all).

There are too many cool characters from VI and they could all easily be added imo. I think Shadow would be a good choice (fast character, could include interceptor and just a cool character). But I reckon they would add Celes (my brother reckons it could be Cyan).

[Elskidor]

Locke and Celes would be the obvious choices, but if they going to try to sneak in a surprise character they have plenty to choose from. Heck, maybe Mog is gonna break dance his way in.

[Jessweeee♪]

Mog please! I don't dislike Celes as a character, but adding her would be just like adding Seifer.

[Wolf Kanno]

Official Yuna and a look at Tifa's other alt costume.

http://img824.imageshack.us/f/18moay1c435.jpg/33954

[SuperMillionaire]

Yay! Yuna and Amano-style Tifa!

[Wolf Kanno]

Mog please! I don't dislike Celes as a character, but adding her would be just like adding Seifer.

I disagree, I feel her Runic Blade gives her some interesting combat possibilities. I'm personally more excited for the prospect of having Cyan though, it would be nice to see what they could do with his combat style if he were chosen.

[Hot Shot]

I'm so glad that it's summoner Yuna as opposed to X-2 Yuna.

[Elskidor]

Gonna have to agree..

[SuperMillionaire]

I personally would have liked it if she could switch between summoner and gunner modes, like she did in Dead Fantasy, but I'm still happy that she's in, nonetheless.

[Elskidor]

This game is released in 2 months? Wonder what the hold up is on the final character announcement.

[Wolf Kanno]

This game is released in 2 months? Wonder what the hold up is on the final character announcement.

They're waiting for Tuesday (1-18-2011), SE has a fan event going on in Japan that is suppose to debut some decent info about Versus XIII and Agito XIII. Its now more of a huge SE expo at this point and they said they would reveal tons of stuff on Dissidia and Kingdom Hearts as well.

I would also like to point out that SE was revealing new characters up until a few weeks before the release in Japan. You have to admit its a pretty clever marketing plan to keep you interested in the info.

[SuperMillionaire]

Oh my, looks like SE USA likes to be vague...

[Northcrest]

Aye I found this, has all the cosmos characters

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2194/226359698.jpg

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say that Cloud, Terra, and Tidus are on the chaos during this cycle. Just a theory.

[Roogle]

Does anyone know how Yuna will fight if she is forced to fight in her traditional summoner outfit? Will she be a spellcaster or will she be able to physically fight as she later proved capable of doing in Final Fantasy X-2?

[Jessweeee♪]

It would be pretty cool if she had three dress spheres she could juggle.

[Hot Shot]

I seriously don't know why people prefer X-2 Yuna. If she was like that, she'd be a bit like Vaan and Lightning as they can change fighting style. If Yuna had a dresssphere system, she wouldn't be as unique summoner Yuna cos nobody else fights like that. If she is summoner Yuna (which I firmly believe she will be) I think she'd be a specialist character and one of the harder characters to use because all of the new characters sound pretty straightforward to use (except Laguna, he's supposed to be a tactical fighter). Specialist characters are the most fun to fight against and quite fun to use if you know how to use them properly.

And I read somewhere that Kuja is a Cosmos character in duodecim. To me that doesn't make much sense seeing as it's a prequel. If it were a sequel, it would make a bit more sense. But I trust SE will do something with his story. I'm so glad I can play his story now cos he was one of my faves (alongside Bartz, Firionel and Zidane). But apparantely, the game focuses on the new characters more, seeing as the are absent in dissidia and need to explain why.

[Wolf Kanno]

Prishe (XI) and Gilgamesh confirmed in new trailer. Also, their is a download title (Japan only so far) called Duodecim Prologue (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/18/dissidia-duodecim-demo-unlocks-aerith-assistant-in-full-game/) that will unlock Aerith as a special assist character.

[dunit697]

Is that confirmed as all we will get?

[Hot Shot]

Awesome, Gilgamesh will be awesome! And I heard that Tidus is a chaos character. Or maybe 'Tidus' is actually shuyin, which would make a bit of sense and be kinda cool too.

[Elskidor]

I guess they are gonna make us wait for VI and IX!

[Wolf Kanno]

Does anyone know how Yuna will fight if she is forced to fight in her traditional summoner outfit? Will she be a spellcaster or will she be able to physically fight as she later proved capable of doing in Final Fantasy X-2?

She's her traditional summoner self. She summons Ixion, Valefor, Shiva, and Bahamut so far in confirmation but I'm pretty sure it will be all of her summons from X. Her EX-Burst is The Sending.



And I read somewhere that Kuja is a Cosmos character in duodecim. To me that doesn't make much sense seeing as it's a prequel. If it were a sequel, it would make a bit more sense. But I trust SE will do something with his story. I'm so glad I can play his story now cos he was one of my faves (alongside Bartz, Firionel and Zidane). But apparantely, the game focuses on the new characters more, seeing as the are absent in dissidia and need to explain why.

This has not been confirmed. It's speculated because of the trialers cause he's mistaken by some of the other heroes of cosmos for being a possible hero of light. It seems this might be a part of the story but Kuja has not been officially stated as a Warrior of Cosmos. The scene in question makes it seem like no one knows for sure in the game and it's a simple problem


Is that confirmed as all we will get?

No word, the event seems more about XIII-2 and KH3DS. It's possible that's all we'll get but it's also very likely they are still waiting to reveal a few more people.


Awesome, Gilgamesh will be awesome! And I heard that Tidus is a chaos character. Or maybe 'Tidus' is actually shuyin, which would make a bit of sense and be kinda cool too.

Like Kuja, this is speculation. The evidence used to support this theory is his absence from the box cover for the Limited Edition Duodecim Soundtrack but it's not like Prishe is on the box either. Chances are he's either a warrior of cosmos who got snubbed from the artwork or he's not affiliated with either side, or perhaps he's the mystery Light Warrior that Kuja is mistaken for. Who knows, once again SE has been mum about it but I feel it's too early to say for sure he's on one side or the other.

EDITGA: Here's a really crappy quality version of the trailer from the event (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcYRcMJ3MWM). It shows Yuna (if you can tell... from the terrible video quality) fighting, as well as Prishe, Aerith being used as an assist, Tidus' new shirtless outfit, and the tiny hint of Gilgamesh. Watch it before Squenix finds it and has it pulled from youtube like the Versus trailer was.

This image also popped up somewhere... WoL's third alt outfit perhaps? (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/1/11/Dissidia_012_Unknown_New_Character.jpg)

Also the director said his team was going to add all the characters possible... possible DLC or is there more to Duodecim than SE is letting on?

W-EDITGA: Replaced crappy trailer with better one.

[Hot Shot]

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying any of those things are true. I'm just throwing around theories that I and others have thought of. It's just about the only fun thing we can do whilst waiting for an awesome game :) And thanks for the trailer dude.

Edit: Yuna is just how I wanted her to fight. I'm so relieved.

[Wolf Kanno]

It's all good ;)

There have been some interesting speculation going on. Some people think that Sephy will be using mind control on Cloud in this game as well, so the lines of who is good and evil will be a bit blurred in this title. Seeing how they are releasing a modified version of Dissidia 1's plot as an unlockable for this game, who knows what's been retconned at this point.

With Aerith being released as a pure Assist, it makes me wonder who else may be in the same boat. There are a few characters I can't see being turned into fighters or would basically just be more of the same so I wonder if their are more pure Assist characters that have yet to be revealed.

Here's still hoping VI and IX get some new playable characters. I still want Leon as a DLC as well. :colbert:

[Hot Shot]

I desperately want Steiner and Shadow to be in it. But they (well mostly Steiner) seems unlikely. It'll be interesting if there are a lot of assist characters not featured as a main character.

[SuperMillionaire]

I hope V gets another hero rep, because I can't imagine one hero taking on two villains...

[ShinGundam]

Dissidia 012 dated for North America | March 22
Square Enix plans to sell it for $29.99

[Mercen-X]

Alt outfits: Warrior of Light as Fighter now officially ='s pwn!

[black orb]

Square Enix plans to sell it for $29.99
>>> You lucky guys from USA get all the games so cheap :mad:..:luca:

I`ll have to pay like 60 or 70 US dollars for the goddamn game..

[Wolf Kanno]

Okay, some interesting news and some possible bad news...

For those who have been following the game, there is a prologue title that's basically a demo in Japan that you pay for that allows you to play as a few of the new characters and most of the main cast. Having this demo also unlocks Aerith as an assist character.

Course, like the last demo, it got quickly hacked a wealth of info was on there including most of the third alt outfits. (http://community.livejournal.com/ffchaoticcosmos/312180.html)Some of which are pretty awesome (WoL, Garland, Mateus, Barts, and Zidane) and some not so awesome (Yuna, Kuja, Firion).

The hacked demo also confirmed Gilgamesh and Prishe but they were not playable on the demo but their character artwork was (http://community.livejournal.com/ffchaoticcosmos/313808.html).

Now here's the possible bad news mixed with some possible bad news. For now this is not confirmed so this might not be true at all, but it was still interesting to note. According to the people who hacked the demo (http://community.livejournal.com/ffchaoticcosmos/318707.html), there is one more slot for XIII but it appears it is for a cosmos warrior so we may still get Sahz, the other thing they found was one more player slot but it wasn't associated with any game like the slot for the XIII character. This may mean that VI and IX may have been passed over from receiving a character this entry, might be a future DLC and not available on day one, or are still in the process of being made.

Technically it's a demo and it didn't even have two of the characters playable so it's possible they are still in the works but also, there is a wealth of info that was on the demo that wasn't suppose to be there cause you can't even access half this data from the demo normally.

[SuperMillionaire]

Aerith as a special bonus DLC assist character? Interesting...

[Mercen-X]

Alt outfits: Warrior of Light as Fighter now officially ='s pwn!

I add EXDEATH.

Also, I am so glad to see Tifa's cowgirl outfit.
Zidane's "soldier" outfit sits well with me too.
I don't know what Yuna's wearing, but I like it.

[Jessweeee♪]

Sazh please!

EDIT:

Lightning's alt looks pretty cool o:

[Hot Shot]

LOL, Yuna in her wedding dress? That's...interesting. I'm loving WoL and Emperor Mateus' alternative costumes. And Kain's is by far the worst imo.

As for the other XIII character, please let it be Sazh. I'll die a little inside if it's Hope or Vanille. And this mysterious character maybe from another game outside of the main FF series (KH or FFT maybe?) but I'm not sure if I would like that. They should just add either a VI and/or IX character (i'd love Shadow or Steiner).

I bet SE purposefully left all this info on the demo because they know it would get hacked or something. I mean, why put in most of this info if it cannot be accessed? They could have easily had made a demo without all of the 'uneccesary' stuff. But I must say, if it was on purpose, that would be the best marketing EVER.

Edit: Vaanlooks awesome too

[Skyblade]

LOL, Yuna in her wedding dress? That's...interesting. I'm loving WoL and Emperor Mateus' alternative costumes. And Kain's is by far the worst imo.

As for the other XIII character, please let it be Sazh. I'll die a little inside if it's Hope or Vanille. And this mysterious character maybe from another game outside of the main FF series (KH or FFT maybe?) but I'm not sure if I would like that. They should just add either a VI and/or IX character (i'd love Shadow or Steiner).

I bet SE purposefully left all this info on the demo because they know it would get hacked or something. I mean, why put in most of this info if it cannot be accessed? They could have easily had made a demo without all of the 'uneccesary' stuff. But I must say, if it was on purpose, that would be the best marketing EVER.

Edit: Vaanlooks awesome too

Yeah, I have to admit, I was very surprised to see Vaan have a semi-respectable outfit.

I want the final character to be FFIX's Beatrix.

[Hot Shot]

Vaan's outfit is based on his FFTA2 outfit. Which, imo, is better than his half naked XII outfit.

[Elskidor]

I think if they left off a character from IX and/or VI I'd lose all interest in this game, so I'm really hoping they are the last minute surprise characters.

[dunit697]

Hopefully Square is smart enough to learn from the first release that games get hacked and they really have 2 more characters up their sleeve and this could even be a diversion. In all honesty, imo ff 7 was the start of marketing and from that point i feel ff was more marketing than game. Hopefully these years of practice and thier last blunder on the first dissidia demo have really made them the marketing geniuses that would have to be to have a game that was kept pretty secret until about 6 months prior to release, have every character anounced as they planned with little to no leaks, and now this...talk about keeping me on my toes, I check updates 4 times a day now...If they don't have a VI and IX character than this is too much credit, but if they do, kudos on square for some of the best marketing to hardcore fans I have ever seen.

[Elskidor]

Hope your right. It would be pretty insulting if they ignored those two titles. I understand 1, 2 and 3 to an extent because there weren't nearly as many awesome characters to chose from, but I really think it should have been planned from the beginning to use each game as Dissidia 1 did. And Dissidia 2 needs two character from each title for balance.

[dunit697]

It would be insulting, If we are getting an addition from XI we sure better be getting one from VI & IX. You could make a dissidia game just using the characters from VI honestly the diversity of them is amazing. Of course, if they are waiting to release characters on DLC, VI and IX would be some of the best to choose from VI in paticular from a marketing standpoint. Since most hard-core fans are big VI fans, Square doesn't need to advirtise to them for them to get the game, and they could essiently charge anything and I would buy their characters and continualy research them on DLC. Anyway, lets see how smart they really are.

[Jessweeee♪]

I don't know about that. I enjoyed FFVI's cast, but they weren't very different from each other personality-wise. They each had a gimmick, but there was nothing much separating them beyond that.

[SuperMillionaire]

Why does Bartz have to deal with two villains? It's two villains against one hero for FFV. How will he have to deal with two villains at once?

[Fynn]

I don't think we can consider Gilgamesh a villain. He always seemed more like chaotic neutral to me.

[Skyblade]

There's enough extra heroes that they will finish off their villains fairly quickly and come help. Because, I mean, it's Gilgamesh. Even without Exdeath (who is a wimp who doesn't count anyway), no one hero could take him alone. Even the mighty Bartz.

[dunit697]

I don't know about that. I enjoyed FFVI's cast, but they weren't very different from each other personality-wise. They each had a gimmick, but there was nothing much separating them beyond that.

They are all more different than it seems, (VI) to really see differences you would need to bring them into the 3D universe. Even so I was more so refering to their battle differences. Each had a different class and special ability.

Celes-runic and battle mage (deeper back story/urge to reform or repent)

Terra-Black mage (cloud-like)

Locke-Treasure Hunter/fighter I would say (quirky theif...ahem, treasure hunter)

Cyan-samurai-that bushido would be interesting in dissidia (deep, silent samurai type)

Sabin-Monk and blitz (Personality is probably like a more brutal yet more reserved form of Zell)

Relm-beastmaster-(little girl)

Strago-blue mage(overprotective grandpa)

Shadow-ninja(A more selfish form of Cyan argueably, but it changes, lone wolf is a better term)

Setzer-Gambler (sky pirate from XII, obsessive)

Edgar-dragoonishy tool user (pimp king)

mog-dancer(moogle)

Gau-um...Gau!(cave-manish?)

Gogo-mime(none really)

Umaro-beserker(none really)



Saying they are all the same? idk, if you compared their personality to when characters became dubbed and 3D some may think so, but not for the more nostalgic gamer. Just because VI doesn't have a defined flamboyent hero like 9,10, and 12. Or completly emo leads like 7 and 8. I consider the lead character role as shared by locke and terra, she is gone for a while. Even with Enix's added technology and tools, I don't think any cast compared to this one, really the cream of the crop of the world fighting kefka. kings, ninjas, dancing moogles, mages and more vs VII for example full of bartenders, irritating theif girls, coal miners, and a lead mental patient. (I do like VII people, 2nd fav ff, but hero cast does not compare, VII universe > VI universe, ffVI > ffVII. Anyway sorry, about the tangent.

[Wolf Kanno]

I don't know about that. I enjoyed FFVI's cast, but they weren't very different from each other personality-wise. They each had a gimmick, but there was nothing much separating them beyond that.

I cannot disagree with this statement more. I'll bore you with a rant later, just know you've disturbed the sleeping troll... :shifty:

All I'll say is that it's pretty funny to make that statement when it's the characters that are best remembered from this game, and most gamers will say it's the cast that drove the games story. They did something right.

[SuperMillionaire]

There's enough extra heroes that they will finish off their villains fairly quickly and come help. Because, I mean, it's Gilgamesh. Even without Exdeath (who is a wimp who doesn't count anyway), no one hero could take him alone. Even the mighty Bartz.

I was thinking that Bartz should get another hero from his native world, not one from another world.

[Jessweeee♪]

I don't know about that. I enjoyed FFVI's cast, but they weren't very different from each other personality-wise. They each had a gimmick, but there was nothing much separating them beyond that.

I cannot disagree with this statement more. I'll bore you with a rant later, just know you've disturbed the sleeping troll... :shifty:

All I'll say is that it's pretty funny to make that statement when it's the characters that are best remembered from this game, and most gamers will say it's the cast that drove the games story. They did something right.

Yeah, I really liked the dialogue and interactions between them; they just aren't all that diverse :confused:

[Elskidor]

I don't know about that. I enjoyed FFVI's cast, but they weren't very different from each other personality-wise. They each had a gimmick, but there was nothing much separating them beyond that.

Being drunk I probably shouldn't go deep into this, and I think the others defended it enough, but yeah I don't quite get how anyone could find the cast bland and similar to one another. The cast made the game great.

[dunit697]

You don't need to quote yourself, we remember what you said, I did my brief response on the matter, I am sure Wolf Kanno will clean that up once the sleeping troll awakens...I am sorry but I have never heard that arguement, I am just curious which cast from which final fantasy is more diverse?

[nvr_mind]

Am I the only one a little annoyed they picked Vaan instead of Balthier?

[Wolf Kanno]

Yeah, I really liked the dialogue and interactions between them; they just aren't all that diverse :confused:

You're going to need to give me an example cause I seriously can't understand where you are coming from with this statement. Like dunit697, an example of what you consider a "diverse party of personalities" would help to establish where you're coming from here. I seriously just can't wrap my head around your statement, it is that foreign of a concept to me cause I personally feel VI has the most diverse party of personalities in the series. I think you're going to give me an aneurysm by having me think about you're statement, like that girl I overheard who said "If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college" :(


Am I the only one a little annoyed they picked Vaan instead of Balthier?

No, you and pretty much everyone else have this sentiment. I would have preferred Basch (but he probably would be too samey) or Lady Ashe (cause she's better than Lightning and I just knew I wasn't going to get Faris) so you are definetly not alone.

As for the possible "no VI or IX" debate, another bit of info from the hacked demo gives some hope (http://community.livejournal.com/ffchaoticcosmos/321552.html). A pretty awkward screen that suggests a few more faces may show up. Chances are, anymore character announcements will be made before March 3rd, so we still have a month for more crazy revelations.

[SuperMillionaire]

I like Vaan, and in this game, they really turned him into a formidable fighter.

And I think they should have added Faris, so that Bartz doesn't have to face Exdeath and Gilgamesh alone on his own; two villains against only one hero is bad.

[dunit697]

2 to 1 is better than 1 to 0 as shantatto and Gabranth were in the original and how possibly lightening will be. There were enough heroes added that it will more than compensate. rather than trying to get 4 characters from V lets try to get 3 from VI and IX first.

[Skyblade]

If we do get another XIII character, I'd guess Cid Raines.

[SuperMillionaire]

Well then, Bartz will have to ask someone from ANOTHER WORLD to help him?

[Hollycat]

Of all the ff 12 characters, I liked Vaan least of all.

EDIT:


I don't know about that. I enjoyed FFVI's cast, but they weren't very different from each other personality-wise. They each had a gimmick, but there was nothing much separating them beyond that.



Terra-Black mage (cloud-like)

Locke-Treasure Hunter/fighter I would say (quirky theif...ahem, treasure hunter)

Cyan-samurai-that bushido would be interesting in dissidia (deep, silent samurai type)



Cyan is anything but silent, if anything he talks too much, always sticking his nose in things to try and correct morals, he was kind of like a counselor. Locke really has some moments where he is quite deep, but on terra you are right on the mark if you consider the cloud immediatly after Aerith leaves the party for the last time

[Hot Shot]

Of all the ff 12 characters, I liked Vaan least of all.

I think Fran would have been a million times better, seeing as she is a 'Weapons Master'. Besides we need more female non-human characters.

[Hollycat]

YES Fran should have been the choice, the game needs an archer, also another good female

[Hot Shot]

I think they added Vaan because they want to show the fans that he is the main character of the game (even though he took back seat after the first couple of hours). But truth be told I quite liked him and I think I might use him a lot in duodecim. My brother said "you like those kind of characters a lot", because I like the fast characters like Zidane and Bartz...at least I think he meant that :confused:

[dunit697]

Your right hypoallergenic cactuar, I was going through them rather quick and multi-tasking, ya, cyan or mr sir is pretty chatty, strong moral code type than. And Locke can be deep, I honestly didn't look to deeply at him, he can be creepy too looking at how he treated his ex, a bit of obsession there, but feel free to to a better analysis of him.

[Hot Shot]

I dunno why people are complaining that FFV has two villains. I mean, come on, all of the added characters are cosmos (at least I think so) so why are people saying it isn't fair on Bartz.

And you don't need me to say that VI's cast was far from bland, but it's all a matter of opinion.

And it would have been cool if Versus XIII had come out before Duodecim because they could have put Noctis in it which would be uber awesome.

[Darkwolf090]

If they added Noctis wouldnt that be uh... unfair? Judging from what I have seen via the trailers the only way I can see him working is if they limit him to 1 weapon or something maybe his EX form having all 13 lol

Also! Any sign of us getting the Demo?

[Roogle]

Am I the only one a little annoyed they picked Vaan instead of Balthier?

Yes, I feel the same way. I would have been content with any other playable character taking up a slot rather than Vaan or Penelo.

[Darkwolf090]

I wanted Bosche so I can do Brother vs Brother.... but in the end I am a little happy to have Vaan.... I have a new training dummy to kill other then Onion Knight

[LowCaloriePie]

If they added Noctis wouldnt that be uh... unfair? Judging from what I have seen via the trailers the only way I can see him working is if they limit him to 1 weapon or something maybe his EX form having all 13 lol


Well Firion gets to keep all of his weapons. :p

[black orb]

>>> I wonder if Steiner is in the game.. I dont care about the rest..:luca:

[Hot Shot]

If they added Noctis wouldnt that be uh... unfair? Judging from what I have seen via the trailers the only way I can see him working is if they limit him to 1 weapon or something maybe his EX form having all 13 lol

Also! Any sign of us getting the Demo?
They did a good job balancing the characters imo. Especially the NES characters. You'd think they would suck seeing as they don't have as much a defined role as the characters in later FF. I trust that SE can make him equal.


>>> I wonder if Steiner is in the game.. I dont care about the rest..:luca:
Steiner is one of my all-time favourite characters I'd die if he were in it, but it does look unlikely.

[SuperMillionaire]

I dunno why people are complaining that FFV has two villains. I mean, come on, all of the added characters are cosmos (at least I think so) so why are people saying it isn't fair on Bartz.

And you don't need me to say that VI's cast was far from bland, but it's all a matter of opinion.

And it would have been cool if Versus XIII had come out before Duodecim because they could have put Noctis in it which would be uber awesome.

But I still don't get why he would have to ask a FOREIGNER from ANOTHER WORLD, not his own NATIVE WORLD, to help him with Exdeath and Gilgamesh. That's why I think that they should add Faris in there.

[LowCaloriePie]

But I still don't get why he would have to ask a FOREIGNER from ANOTHER WORLD, not his own NATIVE WORLD, to help him with Exdeath and Gilgamesh. That's why I think that they should add Faris in there.

The fact that they all came from different worlds isn't going to have any effect on whether-or-not they'll help each other out. I mean, Squall offered to take Exdeath out for Bartz, and didn't have any qualms about taking out Garland despite being from another world.

And I think you're forgetting that Bartz is awesome and could take both of them. :p

[Darkwolf090]

But Firion can only uses 1 at a time not 13 at a time
Also like is the first Dissidia they will prolly have heros teaming up, so i dont think they will adding anymore chars from 5

[Hot Shot]

But I still don't get why he would have to ask a FOREIGNER from ANOTHER WORLD, not his own NATIVE WORLD, to help him with Exdeath and Gilgamesh. That's why I think that they should add Faris in there.
LOL, calm down. It'll be awesome, you don't necesarily need to have people from the same world fighting each other. Thats why they have characters from all the worlds. If you want FFV characters taking Exdeath down, then I suggest you play FFV.

And LowCaloriePie is right, Bartz can take them both down. Besides I think Gilgamesh will be a character who isn't necesarily on either side. We'll just have to wait and see. SE have their plan for the game, so don't worry, it'll be good. The first one was

[Wolf Kanno]

Gilgamesh is hardly a real threat... he's more of a handicap for whichever side he's trapped on so no worries. Besides, its not like it's fair most of the villains have to face two heroes instead of one. Hell, XI and XIII still don't have Chaos counterparts.

Being the pessimist that I am, I have lost hoped that IX and VI will get new characters and that has really made this game have a bit of a sour taste for me. :(

Not to mention that I now have to deal with Yuna being in the game (guess who I'm going to kill over and over) and the prospect of Lightning stealing most of the spotlight in the plot, seeing how she's usually front and center in every new trailer and the game is treating her like the main character. :roll2 I get Kain, Laguna, and Gilgamesh but overall I haven't been impressed with the choices for new characters. Made worse by two of my top fave FFs being possibly passed over.

We still have a month left but SE hasn't even officially confirmed Gilgamesh and Prishe in publication not to mention most of the new characters were revealed alongside their numbered counterparts(II, V, and XI haven't been featured yet, whereas VI and IX have been featured recently). It's looking a bit glum for VI and IX fans.

I can only hope for a last minute reveal or a later DLC but from some of the staff interviews, it sounds like Dissidia Duodecim has reached the PSPs limits. The director commented that in order to add any more characters and content they would have to move to more powerful hardware. (PSP2/3DS or possibly console). So the possibility of cramming a new character in by DLC doesn't sound hopeful especially since the team has only mentioned Original Missions, and alternate costumes as DLC.

[Evastio]

Even if it is true, at least FFVI and FFIX will get an extra stage to make up for it. I'm starting to think I was right about my "New Character or Stage, But Not Both" (http://forums.eyesonff.com/dissidia-final-fantasy/135597-new-character-stage-but-not-both.html) rule that Square is following for Dissidia Duodecim (with FFs past ten being exempted due to not having enough representation in the original Dissidia).

Also, do you guys think that Prishe and Gilgamesh will be the Shantotto and Gabranth of Duodecim? I mean, neither of them showed up in the group shots of the teams in the opening CG.

[Skyblade]

Gilgamesh is hardly a real threat... he's more of a handicap for whichever side he's trapped on so no worries. Besides, its not like it's fair most of the villains have to face two heroes instead of one. Hell, XI and XIII still don't have Chaos counterparts.

Um, it's GILGAMESH, Wolf. Anything his side loses in raw strength, it makes up for in awesomeness.

Besides, if any hero can handle it, it's Bartz, who is, for my personal playstyle, the most overpowered character in the game.


Being the pessimist that I am, I have lost hoped that IX and VI will get new characters and that has really made this game have a bit of a sour taste for me. :(

Too pessimistic. If it was just IX, I could believe it, though I would be saddened by it, but I cannot believe that they would leave a character out from VI, which still has one of the most beloved casts in the FF series. I think not having them be hackable from the demo would be more a case of baiting followers to try to guess which character from VI is going to make the cut right up until the end.


Not to mention that I now have to deal with Yuna being in the game (guess who I'm going to kill over and over) and the prospect of Lightning stealing most of the spotlight in the plot, seeing how she's usually front and center in every new trailer and the game is treating her like the main character. :roll2 I get Kain, Laguna, and Gilgamesh but overall I haven't been impressed with the choices for new characters. Made worse by two of my top fave FFs being possibly passed over.

Um, yeah, and the original trailer all showcased Warrior of Light as the star of his game, and we all know how that turned out. You played him for two storyline chapters, then forgot him as much as possible.


We still have a month left but SE hasn't even officially confirmed Gilgamesh and Prishe in publication not to mention most of the new characters were revealed alongside their numbered counterparts(II, V, and XI haven't been featured yet, whereas VI and IX have been featured recently). It's looking a bit glum for VI and IX fans.

It always looks glum for VI and IX fans. But look at hell well Terra came out in Dissidia. And, while Zidane may be...Zidane, at least the ratio of characters left in IX leaves them with a better chance of picking one of the many awesome ones.


I can only hope for a last minute reveal or a later DLC but from some of the staff interviews, it sounds like Dissidia Duodecim has reached the PSPs limits. The director commented that in order to add any more characters and content they would have to move to more powerful hardware. (PSP2/3DS or possibly console). So the possibility of cramming a new character in by DLC doesn't sound hopeful especially since the team has only mentioned Original Missions, and alternate costumes as DLC.

Horsefeathers. A new character would only require more storage space, not more powerful hardwear, unless they were actually changing game mechanics.

[Wolf Kanno]

Um, it's GILGAMESH, Wolf. Anything his side loses in raw strength, it makes up for in awesomeness.

Besides, if any hero can handle it, it's Bartz, who is, for my personal playstyle, the most overpowered character in the game.

Gilgamesh has a history of tripping over his own awesomeness :p



Too pessimistic. If it was just IX, I could believe it, though I would be saddened by it, but I cannot believe that they would leave a character out from VI, which still has one of the most beloved casts in the FF series. I think not having them be hackable from the demo would be more a case of baiting followers to try to guess which character from VI is going to make the cut right up until the end.

Except VI is more of a title well loved in the West, while IX has mix feelings among most fans. My point is, they don't seem as important to Squenix as we fans think they are. Kain has a pretty big fan base on both sides of the ocean and Gilgamesh has become an icon in the series due to his myriad of cameo appearances. It's not for certain, but at this point I feel SE has cut it so close that the possibility these two titles might have been skipped altogether this round. Maybe they'll show up as Assist characters like Aerith, but it is looking like the lack of a fully playable character could be a possibility.



Um, yeah, and the original trailer all showcased Warrior of Light as the star of his game, and we all know how that turned out. You played him for two storyline chapters, then forgot him as much as possible.

Until you see the ending and read all the Reports and learn this whole game is basically a convulated mess to explain Garland and Chaos from FFI. WoL also had the best scenes imo considering he's a nameless no one.

I'm sure Lightning won't be prominent but they also said thy would be making this game more story focus for the people who wined about a fighting game having a terrible plot (Dear lord people, have you never played the genre, this is normal) and seeing how we are going to see a bunch of new character get killed off from death by canon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoomedByCanon), I can see the writers trying to put her as the leader of this suicide brigade, seeing how that was pretty much the same scenario of XIII. Duodecim is going to play in some ways very differently so I wouldn't make this judgment cause of the way Dissidia 1 played out.



It always looks glum for VI and IX fans. But look at hell well Terra came out in Dissidia. And, while Zidane may be...Zidane, at least the ratio of characters left in IX leaves them with a better chance of picking one of the many awesome ones. I'd say the FFI-III fans have it worse. I'm still annoyed about a lack of Leon or Maria tbh. I just don't like the prospect of having to wait a few more years to get some new characters I like from the games I like. I honestly don't care for Tifa, Yuna, Vaan, or Prishe, I outright hate two of them. I guess I should be happy I got half of Aerith...


Horsefeathers. A new character would only require more storage space, not more powerful hardwear, unless they were actually changing game mechanics. Except when the hardware needed is storage space. As I said the director himself talked about Dissidia 2 maxing out what a UMD could hold. We are talking about a game that is completely new and has the first game as an unlockable extra. The whole first Dissidia 1 with a completely revamped story mode closer to Duodecim's. It is very possible that the game can't hold anymore content. We may still see DLC characters but they wouldn't really be attached to the story unless SE knew ahead of time this would happen.