What kind of games do you HATE?

[Raven Riley]

You always see topics on forums asking about what your favourite kind of games are, but how about ones you don't like at all?

For me, it has to be Racing games. I really find them to be quite boring, generally. I don't mind silly ones like Mario Kart, but the serious style games like Gran Turismo put me to sleep. Actually, extend that to any game where the gameplay revolves around vehicles of some kind. I don't like flying games either! My brother has a lot of them and tries to make me play, but bleh. Planes? Really? No thank you. :( I'm sure I would hate games where you have to sail a boat or something, too!

So, how about you guys? :jess:

[Rye]

I hate flying games too! I'm no good at them. =|

[Vermachtnis]

I hate racing games too, cars bore me.

[asukaevaunit02]

First person shooters, I have never been that good at them or enjoyed them.
Also fighting games when played online.

[Ultima Shadow]

Soccer games. I've never ever managed to enjoy one in the least.

[Dreddz]

Pretentious indie games like Braid and Limbo.

[Rocket Edge]

Mostly third-person fighting games. Heavenly Sword, Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Tomb Raider, the list goes on.

[DMKA]

Sports games and RTS.

[Madame Adequate]

ITT people who never played Sky Odyssey :(

I can't think of any genre that I hate. Racing and sports aren't high on my list normally, except that when you play couch multiplayer with a bro they are fucking awesome. And while I don't get into, say, Gran Turismo very much, I can certainly see the appeal - if someone made a WipeOut game with that much simulatey detail I'd probably die of starvation before I stopped playing.

I guess I'm not the world's biggest fan of puzzle games? But then that includes Intelligent Qube and stuff so not really. It's probably my least liked genre but that's still a long way from hate.

[kotora]

bad games, and it's even worse when they're being super hyped and overrated. like for example final fantasy 13 or modern warfare 2.

[VeloZer0]

Hate is too strong of a word, but I would say that I dislike far more genres than I like.

Fighting Games: I'm not dexterous nor do I enjoy trying to develop this ability. The exception is polar based fighting games. (Ex: Dissidia, DBZ:Budokai Tenkaichi#)

Racing Games: I don't like cars, nor do I like video game driving mechanics. SNES Mario Cart is the most I can deal with.

Sports Games: What I like about sports is the physical aspect, which video games have none of.

Sandbox Games: I get real bored real fast. Also, you can't do 'anything' you can do almost nothing, just the couple dozen things the game designers wanted to focus on. Also conflicts with my problems with:

Third Person: I just can't really get into manuvering a character from the thrid person perspective. I always run into walls, have completely messed up perceptions for jumps, etc.)

Dark Games: Good lord, I can't stand any game where I can't clearly see exactly what is going on. Any FPS game I am playing is an insta-quit if I get into an area that is dark enough that I can't clearly see where to go next.

Any game with permanent choices: I hate having to make a choice on something early in the game that will affect the rest of the game, when I have no idea how the mechanics later in the game will be working. Instead of the intended 'do what you want' I find it turns into a game of reading the developers mind in terms of how the rest of the game will progress.

[DMKA]

Hate is too strong of a word, but I would say that I dislike far more genres than I like.

Fighting Games: I'm not dexterous nor do I enjoy trying to develop this ability. The exception is polar based fighting games. (Ex: Dissidia, DBZ:Budokai Tenkaichi#)

Racing Games: I don't like cars, nor do I like video game driving mechanics. SNES Mario Cart is the most I can deal with.

Sports Games: What I like about sports is the physical aspect, which video games have none of.

Sandbox Games: I get real bored real fast. Also, you can't do 'anything' you can do almost nothing, just the couple dozen things the game designers wanted to focus on. Also conflicts with my problems with:

Third Person: I just can't really get into manuvering a character from the thrid person perspective. I always run into walls, have completely messed up perceptions for jumps, etc.)

Dark Games: Good lord, I can't stand any game where I can't clearly see exactly what is going on. Any FPS game I am playing is an insta-quit if I get into an area that is dark enough that I can't clearly see where to go next.

Any game with permanent choices: I hate having to make a choice on something early in the game that will affect the rest of the game, when I have no idea how the mechanics later in the game will be working. Instead of the intended 'do what you want' I find it turns into a game of reading the developers mind in terms of how the rest of the game will progress.

You could have just saved yourself the typing and said "All games".

[VeloZer0]

It hasn't been a great decade for me :(

[Clo]

Ah, I love sandbox games!

I don't really like flying games either, although when I was young I used to like flying the planes really high up in the sky and then let them crash to the ground. :jess:

[Roto13]

everything

You could have just saved yourself the typing and said "All games".

Seriously. Third person perspectives? That's, like, the vast majority of games.

[Mo-Nercy]

FPS and RTS mostly. Yeah, I was into Counter-Strike back in high school like just about everyone else I knew at the time, but I haven't seriously played an FPS since then. And I just plain suck at RTS games. Probably because I lack patience and strategic thinking etc. :(

Racing games are actually perfectly suited to my tastes, which apparently goes against the grain of quite a few other posters in this thread. I just spent like two hours in practice sessions in F1 2010 going out for a few laps, pitting, adjusting ride height, camber, toe, tires, wing settings, then going out again for a few more laps. I ended up setting a personal best two tenths of a second faster than my previous and I absolutely loved it (in what is still ultimately, a horribly bugged and ruined game). I like the arcadey racing games even more though kart racing is sometimes a different story.

[VeloZer0]

Seriously. Third person perspectives? That's, like, the vast majority of games.
I know, it really blows not liking them.

[Flying Arrow]

- I wouldn't say I hate them, but I'm really not big on FPS games.

- Also, while I have enjoyed Gears of War and Uncharted, I find cover shooters slightly tiresome too. Take cover, wait for :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty AI to expose itself, shoot. If you take damage, wait until you're healed. No strategy or cunning required. Regenerative health is my current bane of gaming.

- Oh, and this new trend towards auto-platforming. No skill or thought involved. Just push the right direction and if the character leans, press X and he'll jump to whichever ledge you couldn't even see. Not challenging at all. Shadow of the Colossus did it right with the grip gauge. I'm generally not one to say x would be better if only y, but in this case I will: Uncharted 2 and its kin would be vastly more thrilling experiences if they were designed with more instances of strategic platforming.

All this said, though, and I still really liked Uncharted 2. Go figure.

[Mirage]

Gran turismo is tons of fun :<

Personally, I don't like sports games at all. Fifa, madden, whatever, it's all boring to me.

Except sports games, there are a few games in most genres that are good enough for me to play, so it's not the genres themselves I hate. Except maybe "realistic" FPS games. You know, like battlefield and call of duty. I like unreal tournament though,and those sorts of FPS games.

[escobert]

Fighting games are my least favorite.

[Wolf Kanno]

I don't really hate genres but I do have my preferences.

I don't play sports titles, not even kiddy ones like Mario Tennis or arcade ones like NBA Jams. I never saw the point in playing sports titles, it is just better to go outside or head to a rec. center and see if you can get some other people to play the real sport.

Racing Games, I have friends who play these so I do partake every once in a while but I've never cared for them enough to buy any. I don't even like racing games as mini-games in other types of games so why would I buy a game that is nothing but racing?

FPS - I never really saw the point of shooters and while I've been assured they have deep mechanics, I can't get past the idea of them all being you wandering around shooting things that are shooting you, and how utterly trivial and boring that sounds. Once again, I have many friends who play the genre so I do partake occasionally but each time I do just reminds me why I never liked the genre.

Sandbox games/open ended WRPGs - I know this sounds really weird coming from a guy who constantly cries for more choice and options in RPGs but I seriously can't stand true sandbox titles or even open ended WRPG styles where the main story is practically optional. I need some form of structure with a clear goal, otherwise I get incredibly bored very fast. GTA is only fun with booze and friends, I've never found the games on their own merits to be fun as a single player experience. The stories often feel like rehashes of movie plots and once you've gone on a few bloody rampages with car chases and explosions, it loses its luster really quick.

I also don't care for the Morrowind approach of WRPG cause it always feels weird that the main quest is optional and often times less interesting than the side missions and quests. I'm 60+ hours into Fallout 3 and only recently got to the radio station which is like the third objective in the main story. The fact that navigating the ruins of D.C. is more of a chore than fun since it all looks the same has pretty much deterred me from finding the radio dish the guy wants so I may never see the games real ending (of which I hear wasn't rally all that great to begin with). I also feel these type of games generally have weak story telling and I've never felt like the character I created really does anything other than being a mute death machine who occasionally answers a yes or no question. The games ultimately fail to create an emotional experience that brings forth an immersive and human element to the game. If I truly wanted to create my own character and role play as them, I would rather just call up a few friends and pull out "Ye Olde Quill and Parchment" books and have some real RPG fun. At least then I can actually make it clear what kind of an asshole my character really is with terrible one-liners and all. ;)

Granted I don't hate any of these types of games but I never actively seek them out to play.

[Laddy]

Those :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty gray-ish post-apocalyptic/space marine shooters that every and their PE class buys regardless of quality or creativity, if it has a personality-lacking drone of 300-pound mameat grunting and killing things in ridiculously childishly gory animations, people WILL buy them.

No, I am not trying to be pretentious, I hate those things, we need to steer claer of making too much more of them before gaming really starts to die.

[Slothy]

Sandbox games/open ended WRPGs

I'll agree with pretty much everything you said about the genres in general, though I think I enjoyed the PS2 GTA games more than you may have as I actually did enjoy the stories for the most part (exception being San Andreas which fell apart after the first city if you ask me).

I'd also like to add something for each. For Sandbox games, it bothers me that most of the worlds they create are fairly empty without a lot of variety and things to do.

With WRPG's, I hate their treatment of morality as a good/evil dichotomy. It's a terrible way to present meaningful choice in a game and really holds the genre back from doing anything amazing in that regard. That said, I like both genres and don't really outright hate any genre I can think of. I'll play just about anything if it's fun.

[Meat Puppet]

Sports games
MMORPGs
There's also something that annoys me about pretentious indie games that Dreddz mentioned, although I do actually enjoy their gameplay sometimes

[Levian]

FPS, sports, racing, fighting.

I find them too repetitive, and even if I'm playing a brand new game, it feels like I'm playing something I've already played before. I'm sure that's what some people feel about the kind of games I like as well, though! :D

[Shiny]

Croc, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro...

With the exception of Crash Bash, I've never been in to these types of games. I wouldn't go as far to say hate, but they just haven't been my cup of tea. When I was younger instead of playing games like this, I'd play games like Gran Turismo, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, and Metal Gear Solid. With some Super Mario Brothers and Sonic thrown in the mix. Come to think of it, I think Rugrats was really the only really super kiddie game I enjoyed. :shiny:

I'm also not big on sports games, but I do like Street Hoops.

[Iceglow]

I'm not a fan of football games, or other major field sports to be honest. I would rather go play the actual sport than sit on my sofa pretending to play a sport I can do it's like what would you rather do? sleep with a girl or watch someone else sleep with a girl? which is entirely the situation when someone is watching porn (a fun diversion or maybe something of a warm up measure/stop gap but if you have the option then who is going to chose porn over sex?) I can do so I just prefer to do it myself.

Other than that I'm not overly fussed, theres individual titles sure but picking out entire genres of games to hate is a little harsh. For example: I love Ace Combat games but I find Microsoft Flight Simulator to be tiresomely boring.

[kotora]

I'm not a fan of football games, or other major field sports to be honest. I would rather go play the actual sport than sit on my sofa pretending to play a sport I can do it's like what would you rather do? sleep with a girl or watch someone else sleep with a girl? which is entirely the situation when someone is watching porn (a fun diversion or maybe something of a warm up measure/stop gap but if you have the option then who is going to chose porn over sex?) I can do so I just prefer to do it myself.


this one guy in my former rugby team recommended we all play this EA sports rugby game as some kind of virtual training

we still sucked

[nik0tine]

I too hate racing games, save cart racers (CTR ftw!). I hate sports games in general, really, and I also dislike fighting games.

But I despise guitar hero/rock band. The level of skill some people display is staggering. With the amount of effort they put in to guitar hero, some people could be getting paid to play a real guitar which, from my experience, is far more enjoyable than any video game could be , at least once you get past the difficult phase (A phase that generally does not exist in any video game save guitar hero). They also teach people precisely how not to be a musician (ie, practice the whole thing from start to finish until you can do it without a mistake). Those few individuals who are inspired to take up a real instrument because of games like rock band are likely to wind up with major handicaps thanks to these games.

I also generally don't like those music games like audiosurf (haven't played that one specifically) even though I adore the concept. I've just not managed to have any fun with them. Then again, I've never done LSD either, so I might be missing a key ingredient.

[kotora]

I also generally don't like those music games like audiosurf (haven't played that one specifically) even though I adore the concept. I've just not managed to have any fun with them. Then again, I've never done LSD either, so I might be missing a key ingredient.

lsd + moving images is kinda underwhelming

[Depression Moon]

I hate terrible games.

[Madame Adequate]

But I despise guitar hero/rock band. The level of skill some people display is staggering. With the amount of effort they put in to guitar hero, some people could be getting paid to play a real guitar which, from my experience, is far more enjoyable than any video game could be , at least once you get past the difficult phase (A phase that generally does not exist in any video game save guitar hero). They also teach people precisely how not to be a musician (ie, practice the whole thing from start to finish until you can do it without a mistake). Those few individuals who are inspired to take up a real instrument because of games like rock band are likely to wind up with major handicaps thanks to these games.

That's nonsense. You can get good enough to enjoy Rock Band within half an hour. The amount of time needed to get good at a rhythm game isn't remotely comparable to the amount of time needed to learn to play an instrument. Yes, I'm sure there are some people who put that overwhelming amount of effort in until they can do Through the Fire and the Flames on Expert but for most people it's just something fun they do.

[Slothy]

That's nonsense. You can get good enough to enjoy Rock Band within half an hour. The amount of time needed to get good at a rhythm game isn't remotely comparable to the amount of time needed to learn to play an instrument. Yes, I'm sure there are some people who put that overwhelming amount of effort in until they can do Through the Fire and the Flames on Expert but for most people it's just something fun they do.

Agreed MILF, though even something like becoming proficient with most songs on Expert takes less time than learning an instrument by a long shot. Hell, I was good enough to play most songs in GH 1 & 2 on Expert back when they came out and that just came from passing the controller around once or twice a week with friends more than any actual practice.

The only thing I might agree with is that playing the drums in these games can lead to some bad habits that people benefiting from some proper instruction would be taught to avoid. And I'm talking the sort of habits that could lead to injury of the hands and wrists from sloppy technique (tendinitis, carpal tunnel, etc.). But I also have never seen what the tutorials for the drums are like in these games so I can't be sure. But almost since Rock Band was first announced I've been worried about people with no experience and no instruction bashing away at those rubber pads. I'd be surprised if no one has ever hurt themselves playing the drums in a rhythm game before.

[Roto13]

In other news, I was going to run for public office but I decided to get really good at Sim City instead.

It's amazing that it's 2010 and there are still people spouting crap like that about music games as though they're replacing actual instruments. They're games.

[Jessweeee♪]

I like that we only have favorite threads! Thinking positive is good for you!

But I will participate.


There isn't really anything I flat out hate, but I'd never buy a party game such as Rock Band. They're fun enough that I'll play with friends and enjoy myself, but not fun enough that I'd shell out the bazillions of dollars for the plastic equipment just to have it break a million times. Best to wait until a friend buys them. (Plus that stuff will not fit in my house.)

[Seraphic]

Sports,FPS, and Sandbox games.

Sports games just flat out bore me.

While I can't say the entire genre of FPS since I like games like Perfect Dark and Mirror's Edge, the majority of them I just can't get into, or they make me really nauseous.

And for Sandbox games, I really like knowing what I have to do next and I generally don't like doing side missions or quests, so I just feel like I'm doing all this needless extra stuff when I really just want to play the actual game.

[Roto13]

Mirror's Edge is a first person platformer so you don't have to worry about that one. :P

[Iceglow]

But I despise guitar hero/rock band. The level of skill some people display is staggering. With the amount of effort they put in to guitar hero, some people could be getting paid to play a real guitar which, from my experience, is far more enjoyable than any video game could be , at least once you get past the difficult phase (A phase that generally does not exist in any video game save guitar hero). They also teach people precisely how not to be a musician (ie, practice the whole thing from start to finish until you can do it without a mistake). Those few individuals who are inspired to take up a real instrument because of games like rock band are likely to wind up with major handicaps thanks to these games.

That's nonsense. You can get good enough to enjoy Rock Band within half an hour. The amount of time needed to get good at a rhythm game isn't remotely comparable to the amount of time needed to learn to play an instrument. Yes, I'm sure there are some people who put that overwhelming amount of effort in until they can do Through the Fire and the Flames on Expert but for most people it's just something fun they do.


Very much agreed with Hux, it's a good point. Basically rhythym games are about naturally having a sense for it nothing more. The other day I was asked by a customer how DJ Hero is played. I've never played DJ Hero and to cap it all off it was DJ Hero 2, the game was set up on the "medium" difficulty and with having never played it and with the deck being arranged for a right handed person to play I managed to complete the mix I chose (not even an easy mix considering it was an eminem and a lil wayne track mixed in together) with 74% of the notes/beats/scratch symbols or whatever they're reffered to as hit correctly. You can learn to improve that sense of rhythym but why put in the effort? I mean I have Guitar Hero 3 and 4 and have borrowed others from my best mate when he comes over but I've never bothered to go for the time or effort involved in doing Through The Fire And Flames on expert (though it's a lot easier in Guitar Hero: Greatest Hits than in Guitar Hero 3 I've learnt)


In other news, I was going to run for public office but I decided to get really good at Sim City instead.

It's amazing that it's 2010 and there are still people spouting crap like that about music games as though they're replacing actual instruments. They're games.

It's ironic actually that they get seen as "replacing real instruments" and the like really especially considering the Pro instrument controller range for Rock Band 3. The Pro Guitar is after all a full sized 6 string electric guitar what teaches you how to play the songs for real on an electric guitar so that once you've learnt how to play it you can simply connect the "controller" to an amp and actually play the song in full. All the pro instruments can teach you how to play that instrument in question for real and most will hook up to an amp or similar technology and allow you to play stuff on. The only one I doubt could do this is the keyboard controller and thats because it's not a full size keyboard. So in effect with Rock Band 3, the games are now turning the tables (oooh DJ Hero pun here lol turning the tables geddit? lol sad, I know) on the myth that there could be another Jimi Hendrix out there who never bothered to play a real guitar because he was too busy playing Guitar Hero.

[Laddy]

You guys need to play a WRPG like Baldur's Gate. Now. Play a real RPG. A MAN'S RPG.

[Wolf Kanno]

I have played Baldur's Gate and I can say with honesty the most exciting part was rolling my characters. I've been waiting 15 years for WRPGs to impress me and they all still feel like poorly made digital pen and paper RPGs with the worst GM in terms of making the players feel immersed cause they can't act to save their life. :p

[Laddy]

Then watch a movie. JRPGs' GM's have no interaction with their player. Baldur's Gate II, for example, had an epic plot and fantastic characters that is extremely well-presented. Being forced to kill your lover isn't immersive? Reincarnating the very man who tried to kill you isn't immersive?

I'm sorry, but JRPG's just can't do that very much . They're too hold-your-hand in stories. And while they can be very good, often times you aren't even IN the story. You can't be immersed into a story you have zero role in.

[Wolf Kanno]

You've obviously not played the Persona series. :p

No, my issue with WRPGs stem from their poor presentation. The plot might be epic but the characters and VA work feel like they came out of an ameture acting club. When the ancient wizard sounds like Bill from accounting, trying to sound mystical it sorta shoots the seriousness of the plot into B movie cheese. That is my problem, when I played BG, I was always aware I was playing a game with fake characters. I was never able to give a damn about anyone cause they simply never garnered enough convincing emotion to make me see them as more than chess pieces in a game.

I agree that JRPGs nowadays are simply interactive movies but WRPGs lack any draw into their worlds and stories cause the characters that inhabit these worlds always sound like they are reading the script when they are recording their lines. Its like a bad Renaissance Fair re-enactment half the time. It often kills the story for me cause I just can't take it seriously anymore.

[Madame Adequate]

I think the problem is yours more than WRPGs, WK. BG and various other games are pretty widely regarded as being deeply immersive and competent. If you go in expecting something as freeform and convincing and PnP then yeah, you're going to be disappointed, but you're asking for games to do something which they could not then and still can't now do. Might as well criticize Metropolis for not being 3D.

[Mirage]

Then watch a movie. JRPGs' GM's have no interaction with their player. Baldur's Gate II, for example, had an epic plot and fantastic characters that is extremely well-presented. Being forced to kill your lover isn't immersive? Reincarnating the very man who tried to kill you isn't immersive?

I'm sorry, but JRPG's just can't do that very much . They're too hold-your-hand in stories. And while they can be very good, often times you aren't even IN the story. You can't be immersed into a story you have zero role in.

Idk about you, but i immerse myself in movies and TV series on a regular basis, even if I have no control over anything in the stories. So having to have some control over a story is clearly not a requisite for immersion for me, and apparently not for anyone else who gets immersed in movies and TV series (a lot of people).

[Wolf Kanno]

I think the problem is yours more than WRPGs, WK. BG and various other games are pretty widely regarded as being deeply immersive and competent. If you go in expecting something as freeform and convincing and PnP then yeah, you're going to be disappointed, but you're asking for games to do something which they could not then and still can't now do. Might as well criticize Metropolis for not being 3D.

The problem is that freedom of choice is the only thing that WRPGs have going for them but it has more to do with the choices feeling rather lacking and sadly sticking to closely to D&D rules of morality where you are basically either a saint or the devil. I can't be just aloof, I can't be greedy but good hearted, I can't be evil but with good intentions, I can't be mysterious. I'm either a hero or slightly less evil than the bad guys.

Also as stated before, I felt the real issue I have with WRPGs is that most of them lately tend to be really loosely structured. Going back to my Fallout 3 example, I'm 60+ hours in and barely touched the main story cause I keep getting derailed by the much more exciting but sadly short side missions. I've explored Fallout 3's world pretty extensively. Yet, beyond a handful of stories, I don't see any real point. I've pretty much been killing time in a post apocalyptic world, and while that is fun, I don't find it satisfying cause I never felt the game had a strong objective. I've just been wasting six hours doing side quests and fetch quests. At least with an MMO, I'd have some decent gear to show off to my friends.

I was 10 hours into the game before I even found Megaton. I simply walked the opposite direction and got holed up saving small towns from Super Mutants. How is that not more interesting than looking for your bastard father who abandoned you in the wasteland? Most of the main story has simply been: Talk to guy A, go to place B. and in all instances it just really felt like I was talking to a machine who was spitting out my next objection instead of feeling like I'm swept up in some mystery and high adventure.

Characters that join me never feel like real people, just lazy A.I. and I have seen plenty of them go (by my own hand more often than not) and never felt anything for them beyond being grateful another liability is gone. WRPGs just ultimately fail to take me out of the realization that I'm sitting in a room playing a video game. Even my choices that I make never really give me the sense of having serious heavy handed consequences, so I often wonder what the point was.

My feeling is, if you are wanting to play in a fantasy/sci-fi setting for the sake of creating your own character and being able to make the choices you want, you are simply better off just playing a PnP game cause I feel they offer more than a WRPG ever could and probably ever will. Because of that, I feel WRPGs could learn to be a little more structured and exciting like JRPGs at least in terms of making a stronger narrative and giving the NPCs better resources so they don't feel like empty card board cutout of real human beings. Still, I don't hate the genre, its just that I can't say I get the same level of enjoyment out of them that fans of the genre would. I look at Oblivion and Morrowind and just feel bored, feeling I would be better off reading a DragonLance novel.

[Carl the Llama]

I hate sports manager games... seriously... wtf is the point? your always in a menu its the most boring thing in the world... I would rather watch paint dry.

Football games... all of them, I'm with Iceglow on that front, why sim a game when you can play the real thing.

Don't know why racing games get so much negativity, Forza Motorsport is on of my all time favorite games.

[Roto13]

Why play racing games when you can drive real cars?

[Vyk]

Sports games. Any. And I'm not a huge fan of racing games, unless they have a well implemented gimmick so that its not JUST driving around in a convoluted "circle" as fast as you can. I don't go out of my way to play Burnout or Flatout. But I have really enjoyed them from time to time. But they're about the only racing games of that nature

Also seriously open-world sand-box games like GTA. I'm with everyone else on that. I really never found out what the appeal was. The story wasn't very driven or gripping. So the real point of the game for most people is to just run around and cause havoc which gets old really quick. Conversely, interestingly enough, I thoroughly enjoyed both Saints Row games. Because they actually do drive the story and make the plot feel important. And you can go around and rain hell. But they managed to make it so its just as fun to play the actual game. Hard to place my finger on the exact difference. But -usually- Saints Row > GTA

Mario/Zelda/Metroid to a much less degree. Played them all before. Pretty much the same for any Nintendo franchise though. I tried Twilight Princess recently, and just couldn't get into it. Never got into Wind Waker either. The quirky silence. The slow running from here to there. The pattern's all the same. The play-style is all the same. Which is great when you like that kinda thing. I loved New Super Mario Bros. And then I tried it for Wii. Pretty good. Same old same old, really. And it got old really quickly. I'd say its because I have nobody to play with, but that's not the point with Metroid and Zelda. And I've only ever tried Metroid games. I own Metroid Prime. I've played the old school ones on emulators. I never beat a single one. Again, too much lather rinse repeat

I will say MOST FPS games turn me off for the same reason. I never beat Halo 2. And even trying Halo 3 was a chore. Halo ODST was different, but still just not my thing. I can't imagine how people play Modern Warfare, Halo 3, or Gears for hours and hours on end. Though there have been a few sparse sprinklings of fun and enjoyable FPS games. I really did like the first Gears game and would probably like the others. But they're short, brutal, and intense. A quick fun ride. Not something I'd clock in 200 hours in multi-player with though, but at least I enjoyed the single-player campaign

Which is another thing. I loathe games that have a single player campaign as an afterthought. Which is pretty much all FPS games at this point. That's the main reason I can't get into Halo 3 or Modern Warfare. The campaigns were just barely there. Short, not very intense, just there to fill out the game. Which now that I think about it is kinda a problem with a lot of simulation games. Racing games are very much just drive around in a circle. How is that supposed to be fun? I remember SEGA used to have some racing game with some anime story going on in between racing with rivalries and stuff. And I think you had to do more than just race. So that was an interesting idea. I'm guessing the "airplane" games suffer from the same problem

Also, I'm rambling. So I'm gonna stop now. Break's almost over at work

[Madame Adequate]

WK: Most of that is because Fallout 3 is not very good. Play one of the first two, or even New Vegas, and you'll have a different experience, imho.

I agree on the morality front for sure. Way too much of it is just derp good or evil in a simplistic fashion.

[Mirage]

Why play racing games when you can drive real cars?

Because 99% of the population can't afford as cool cars as you can play in the games.

Also, because the risk of dying is much higher in real life.

[Slothy]

Which now that I think about it is kinda a problem with a lot of simulation games. Racing games are very much just drive around in a circle. How is that supposed to be fun?

Not to seem like I'm trying to convince someone who doesn't like racing games to like racing games (because that would be pointless and isn't my intention), but if they were truly as simple as drive around in a circle then no one would play them. But there is a lot of depth to the gameplay and the skill required to do well can be tremendous, which is what draws in fans of games like Gran Turismo. If you're looking for something besides just well made or skill based gameplay though then those games will never suit you.

[Jessweeee♪]

Mass Effect 2 is really the only WRPG I could get into (I need to play the first one, I know!). Like Wolf Kanno was saying, I can't really bring myself to feel attached to anyone in most, and some of them just plain bore me. But of course I'm the type that buys JRPGs because of the oddly high cutscene to gameplay ratio. I thought ME2 was great because you really do feel for your teammates and the events leading up to the final boss were just amazing. People can die (everyone can die) and it really gets to you.

I was so bummed when watching my boyfriend play and seeing poor Tali all alone in her casket at the end. Guess which character he romanced :(

[Laddy]

You've obviously not played the Persona series.
Yeah, ask me when I cosplayed as Teddy.

EDIT: You know what made those games so great? The open-endedness and the ability to make the protaganist whoever you wanted. The ability to build relationships in your way and in your pace. It was very much like a WRPG in those regards, despite having JRPG skin.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE JRPG's. But having such a spectator story is a minus unless it's very, very good.

EDIT2: In Baldur's Gate II, for example, I had party members whom all had varying thoughts of me, some twisting to be my enemies. I was good and selfless, but also a smartass. I was smart, but often superficial. I was charismatic, but also mean-spirited and I could pick it up and be a totally different character in my next playthrough. All of my party members had their own endings, many varying depending on how I treated them. They had their own quests and would talk to the party members and the player on conversations ranging from petty flirts to moral debates. I had to fight a friend to win the girl.

There is a situation in the game in which I had to choose between two clearly evil factions and calculate which of the two are the lesser of which to reach my more noble goal.

I had the oppurtunity to become a Slayer at my choosing in which I become extremely powerful but at the risk of ripping apart my allies and becoming more "evil" as a result.

I could navigate through hell with whatever moral compass I wanted, sometimes my charity being met with devastating consequences.

I had to choose which of my party members would LIVE or DIE.

THAT is immersive. Each path is as fleshed out as the other and is dramatic and deep. Not many games can claim to do that, yet Baldur's Gate II did.

[Iceglow]

Why play racing games when you can drive real cars?

Ok Roto you go buy me a Bugatti Veyron to take for a test spin at 200mph round the local race track and then for the next car I'll have A Lamborghini Murcielago =) average cost of these two cars alone? (Bugatti = £686,200.00 Murcielago = £308,357.00 average prices taken from google searching them) nearly £1,000,000.00 sterling. I think I'll stick to Forza at £39.99 for now ;)

[Madame Adequate]

Why play racing games when you can drive real cars?

Ok Roto you go buy me a Bugatti Veyron to take for a test spin at 200mph round the local race track and then for the next car I'll have A Lamborghini Murcielago =) average cost of these two cars alone? (Bugatti = £686,200.00 Murcielago = £308,357.00 average prices taken from google searching them) nearly £1,000,000.00 sterling. I think I'll stick to Forza at £39.99 for now ;)

Yeah I think you may have missed his point dude.

[|-THE redmage-|]

I hate sports games (mainly because I hate sports in real life), and I've also never been too fond of shooting games like Halo, though some are alright like Metroid games.

[Iceglow]

Why play racing games when you can drive real cars?

Ok Roto you go buy me a Bugatti Veyron to take for a test spin at 200mph round the local race track and then for the next car I'll have A Lamborghini Murcielago =) average cost of these two cars alone? (Bugatti = £686,200.00 Murcielago = £308,357.00 average prices taken from google searching them) nearly £1,000,000.00 sterling. I think I'll stick to Forza at £39.99 for now ;)

Yeah I think you may have missed his point dude.

No I got his point but his point was very flawed. In real life the chances of me getting to drive a Bugatti Veyron or a Lamborghini Murcielago are next to none, the chances I can go down a park and kick a ball around? Well it might be 03:22am right now but if I wanted to I am pretty sure I could go out now and kick a ball around. So I might never be a professional footballer but the difference is when you're playing a football simulator or something else like that you're basically going with the childhood thing of going "oh look look I'm David Beckham!" or equally stupid claims whilst playing football in the playground when you're doing a racing game such as Forza, Gran Turismo or Burnout or any number of other racing car games you're not claiming to be another person who you envy or desire to be you're playing the role of an "unnamed" driver who is working their way to the top driving cars most guys would only dream of driving in their lives.

[Roto13]

That's a pretty flimsy argument. If you want to go play an actual game of soccer right now, you probably won't be able to make it happen, and you won't be able to play at the level the characters in a soccer game play (ever) and playing a soccer game and playing an actual game of soccer are two very different things anyway.

So are racing actual cars and playing a racing game, by the way. Sorry if that's like hearing Santa Claus doesn't exist.

[Iceglow]

That's a pretty flimsy argument. If you want to go play an actual game of soccer right now, you probably won't be able to make it happen, and you won't be able to play at the level the characters in a soccer game play (ever) and playing a soccer game and playing an actual game of soccer are two very different things anyway.

So are racing actual cars and playing a racing game, by the way. Sorry if that's like hearing Santa Claus doesn't exist.

If I wanted to go play football right now I bet I could make it happen in fact I know I could, thats the sad thing about having friends what would join me in such lunacy. Also I'll grant you, I might not ever personally play a game of football at professional standard that doesn't automatically make myself and every other non-professional footballer out there "crap" or ":bou::bou::bou::bou:" and doesn't mean that I could not practice doing the same moves as they perform to learn the same sort of skills (doesn't mean I'd be professional same as being good at dancing games or singing games doesn't make you a professional dancer or singer) to use against my friends or in a sunday league game. Also playing sunday league football can get you noticed in a positive way, a sunday league footballer who plays well could end up in his local conference team from there he could get noticed by division 2 teams and so forth eventually he could theoretically get to premiership football. He won't do that playing Fifa or Pro Evo. As for racing cars? Well most people cannot afford the cars and cannot afford the track days either to practice racing cars or bikes in a safe environment. Therefore we're talking they'd go racing round the streets late at night ect. Alls well and good you say until the police notice you for breaking the law and arrest you and you end up with no drivers liscense, a criminal record and either a prison sentence or a fine. It's a lot safer and more enjoyable and cheaper (consider this: Fifa 11? £39.99, a leather case football? £9.99 you pay more to sit on your arse and get fat then you do to go learn how to play football yourself) to therefore race cars in a virtual environment.

Sorry if I'm making your argument invalidated but well you canadians shouldn't argue about football with us brits especially since most canadians couldn't even name a conference team or know what the sunday leagues are :P

[Roto13]

By that logic you should never play video games ever.

[Iceglow]

By that logic you should never play video games ever.

By my logic I play video games to do that what I cannot do myself thats not a crazy thought and it doesn't mean I should never play games ever. It means I play games to do what I personally find impossible to do. I do not find playing football, rugby or most other sports impossible.

[Roto13]

List of things you've probably done in video games that you could do in real life:

- Played a musical instrument
- Raced cars (you can rent one if you really care, or find a go kart track)
- Were a soldier
- Fought a guy with your bare hands
- Fought a guy with a weapon
- Shot a target
- Parkour
- Skateboarded
- Played a card or board game
- Flew a plane
- Other stuff that's not coming to mind

[Iceglow]

Out of that list I've done at least 6 of them in real life and in games, fact is yes I could decide to be a soldier, I very nearly did join the army all I needed to do was sign the line however I decided not to do that at the time because I was doing it for the wrong reasons. However being a soldier isn't quite the same as getting to shoot my best mates in the back of the head and then laughing about it with them afterwards is it?

[Jessweeee♪]

The only thing about Rockband that makes me rage is people yelling at me to use my star power. I will use my star power when I god damn please, likely after I have played my final note.

[NeoCracker]

I am for the most part with Wolf. The lack of structure to the story in WRPG's and the more often then not Good/Evil systems are kind of lacking. And before anyone says it's a limit to technoligy, I point you back to Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen on the SNES. You yourself could be a saintly man, yet the way the world perceives you is evil. It had possibly the best morality system of any game I've ever played. The only reason it's so lacking now is no one things there's a need to add that additional depth, not anything tech related.

That being said, I am greatly enjoying Fall Out: New Vegas. Not as immersive as I'd like, but the stories are still fun, there are some entertaining characters, ect.

[Carl the Llama]

List of things you've probably done in video games that you could do in real life:

- Played a musical instrument
Your right about that, I am quite a good pianist and would much rather do that over some video game about doing the same thing.


- Raced cars (you can rent one if you really care, or find a go kart track)
Also managed to go karting when I was a kid... a friend of mine broke his leg that day and since then I thought I would much rather play the video game version of it and not risk getting a broken leg.. or worse, and with more style that some 13y/o could do in a petrol go kart.


- Were a soldier Again I have also tried to join the Navy, I got turned down after 13 months of intensive training to get myself fit, only to be told that because one of my legs is longer then the other the doctor failed my medical exam... which was right before the final examination and test where Ihad to run a mile and a half in 12.30 minutes, I could do it in 11.15, then swim fully clothed for I think it was 500meters then tread water for 3 and a half minutes, all of which I could do.


- Fought a guy with your bare hands

I have done this also! I didn't like it when I got it in the neck from my parents, and I don't get in trouble for playing a fighting game like street fighter(my preferred beat 'em up)coupled the fact that I couldn't shoot fire balls from my hands...definitely prefer the game.


- Fought a guy with a weapon

This is one of the ones I have not done, and seeing as I do not want to kill anyone fighting in r/l with a weapon would:

1. Require some arms training with said weapon.

2. Require someone else who had also had arms training and for them to have said arm when I entered combat with them.

3. Require the Police to not arrest me or my opponent for carrying about a lethal weapon. And

4. them not arresting me/my opponent for GBH/Murder/Attempted murder. Its frowned upon in civilized society.


- Shot a target
I think I have gone into my past about the Navy already but this is slightly different, before I had aspirations to become a Navel Officer and a Gentleman (lol) I was a member of the 1349 Woking Air Training Corps, where I indeed had weapons training and also....


- Flew a plane


- Parkour
I don't even know what that is so I have no response to it xD (Yes I am serious I don't know what it means, I honestly don't know if you did a typo or what).


- Skateboarded

I am one of the minority that actually can't stand Tony Hawks or the like games... though much to most of my friends chagrin.

- Played a card or board game
*thinks for 5 minutes* Yep I definitely have played (and preferred) actual rl card and board games... with possibly Solitaire being the exception that proves the rule, its just so much easier have the cards all nice and neat.


- Other stuff that's not coming to mind

At the end of the day I would rather do what I prefer to do, as opposed to doing it another way, Yes I play war games such as CoD and MoH but that is likely the only way I will be involved in such warfare seeing as the military life I would desire is closed off from me, as is racing super expensive car's for the price of a Pre owned Forza (which cost me about £15 back in the day) and not being arrested and fined: Big Win.

[Roto13]

*thinks for 5 minutes* Yep I definitely have played (and preferred) actual rl card and board games... with possibly Solitaire being the exception that proves the rule, its just so much easier have the cards all nice and neat.

So if you ever play computer solitaire, you are a hypocrite.

(You're one of those "bu bu bu real guitar or gtfo" dumbasses, right? I can't be assed to go back and make sure.)

[Carl the Llama]

*thinks for 5 minutes* Yep I definitely have played (and preferred) actual rl card and board games... with possibly Solitaire being the exception that proves the rule, its just so much easier have the cards all nice and neat.

So if you ever play computer solitaire, you are a hypocrite.

(You're one of those "bu bu bu real guitar or gtfo" dumbasses, right? I can't be assed to go back and make sure.)

A hypocrite am I? And a dumbass? way to go with the maturity there.

Aside from that I haven't played Solitaire since I left school, I did actually have a legitimate reason for preferring to play Solitaire on the PC, maybe you should reread what I wrote, oh wait you can't be bothered, I will write it again and expand on why I prefer computer Solitaire: Its swift, a click and a card turns over, its neat, have you ever actually played the game with a regular pack of cards? it takes ages to deal the cards out and it never looks neat no matter how hard you try, with a regular card game, there is always the temptation to cheat, being that I haven't played the game since I was 13 I was immature back then and would have likely done so if played with a real deck of cards, I could go on and on but I see little point seeing as you don't bother to read what I write and then proceed insult me.

At the end of the day you have a very narrow view of a legitimate point of view so I see no reason to discuss anything else with you seeing as you lack the maturity to see valid points against the flimsy argument you have made.

[Roto13]

Oh, look, doing something in real life and doing something in a video game are different! What a revelation! Guess what? Music games aren't just dumbed down versions of real instruments. They're games. With high scores and unrealistic note charts.

[Carl the Llama]

Oh, look, I was asked what I hate and I responded, games such as Fifa 11 I still cannot see the appeal, I never said the games were pointless, obviously other people like to play them, I said why I hate them, I would rather do the actual sport then sit on my couch playing some sim of the game.

Obviously they are different, otherwise everyone would not bother to buy such games.

Music games... your going on about that now huh? Well again you state the obvious, but your missing the point of this thread, its a place where people express what games they do not like, I think you obviously missed that.

This is all my opinion, not actual fact and I am not trying to convince other people to abandon their likes and dislikes, like some people I could mention.

[Shiny]

Roto13, there is no need to call someone a dumbass. I shouldn't have to tell a grown man to behave.

[Vermachtnis]

And for future reference here's Parkour! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N6G0OFpmIE&feature=related)