Mafia XVII Game Thread - GAME OVER - 18 Ho Kogans Lose; 1 Warrior Wins

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Triple H;2935207']Much as I want to vote for The Rock, I don't think my suspicions are enough.
Voice them anyway. Keeping it to yourself will never help us.

[[M] Apollo]

I knew y'all save yourself Nature Bhoy & in your doing so your flip flopin stylin profilin beginning to book with New Jack. Dirtiest playa in the game indeed

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Give me a scenario where I wouldn't save myself. What would you do in that situation?

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack would save New Jack every time Nature Bhoy. Nature Bhoy seem to be the only townie able to defend his self, 14 time world champ indeed!

I really hope electric Rocky man isn't a cop because there is nothing that gets New Jacks goat more then a dumb ass! Why would a cop roleclaim Day 2 its beyond me? I mean nothing didn't see him as in danger until he said that? Just doesn't adds up. Scum is afoot y'all!

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

##vote: Chris Jericho

I'd rather not have The Rock die today thanks to a WIFOM argument. Prepare to taste the torture of the ANKLE LOCK.

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack can't get a beat on y'all Olympic Yo-Yo? I mean it seems to the Original Gangsta the only reason y'all contributes is to beat the silent mafia idea. But then again, can't be hating on a playa for play the game ya know

[[M] Apollo]

And I mean you as silent mafia Olympic Yo-Yo in case New Jack wasn't clear

[[M] Felix]

Ric Flair;2935208']
Triple H;2935207']Much as I want to vote for The Rock, I don't think my suspicions are enough.
Voice them anyway. Keeping it to yourself will never help us.

I would, but it's mostly WIFOM.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

This ain't the case my fine Ebonic speaking friend. My Angle Ankle Lock shall smite the mafia. Today is just a step in the direction of ultimate town victory. You shall see. Hail!

[[M] Apollo]

I don't see anything overly scummy with you Olympic Yo-Yo but New Jack is watchin y'all!

Is it New Jack or is Hunter HH a man of few words?

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Okay, it's in order of least posts to most posts.

Buff Bagwell:
Buff Bagwell;2935097']Hey all, sorry I've been so inactive, I'm always terrible like this...
Everyone is probably asleep/waking up, so I miss out on discussion, but I promise I'll try to make some posts at work. Give me some questions and I'll respond when I can.

As for my thoughts on what seems odd, these things have struck chords with me.


The Hardy Boyz;2934940']I don't think it's really important what the Jihadist role was, seeing as it's been thrown out so early in the game. Though I am curious.


The Hardy Boyz;2934942']We'll have to wait until we can do a body count on Night 3 to determine whether or not it was a killing role.

These two posts by The Hardy Boyz seemed like discussion snuffers to me. I know that everyone always says that looking into the meaning of roles is scummy distractions, but discussion is discussion. The more ideas and posts people share, the more we can try to pick up on them, regardless of how useful someone might deem their contribution. I'm a great example, I've barely posted, so no one knows what to think of me, I'm a threat by that very fact and I'm doing what I can to make up for it.

Ok, that rambled on a bit longer than I meant, but overall The Hardy Boyz actions there aren't extremely scummy and they did elaborate upon what they said later on, but subtle things like this are what stand out to me...

The other thing that stood out to me was The Rock's comment a just a few posts bacl...


The Rock;2935057']The Rock says that he voted for Hogan because he believed that Hogan was scum, but apparently he ended up a Miller, did he not? Now Bret, let's say that you had investigation powers. Would you agree that if you had investigated Hogan the night before and he turned up scum, would you do what it takes to get rid of this scum? The Rock was just doing his duty in getting rid of this "scum", but apparently, the Hulkster has turned out to be a Miller only proving that nothing is what they seem to be. The Rock knows this because The Rock has seen it with his own eyes, so shut your mouth and know your role, if you know what The Rock is cookin'!

As much as I don't want to point out the obvious attempt at a role claim here, there's a role claim here, is there not? Why would you make a claim like that regardless of what role you have? Explain?

Personally I think there might be a connection between the fact that Hogan was a miller and had "I am mafia scum!" painted across his profile.

That's all I have for now, but as I said before, I'll do everything I can to post more frequently!

Here is his only real post, and it seems fairly smart. It seems like he is smart and reasonable, and I think the reason he's not here is because he just doesn't have time, not because he is laying low. I do want him to post more often, however, but he's not on my list of suspects.

Max Mini: Hasn't really said anything at all. He voted for Ric Flair and Kurt Angle with absolutely no discussion added and no reasoning at all. He's either laying very low, or he is just an inactive.

Triple H: Is inactive and hasn't said much. The only thing he's done is asked Ric is he would change his vote if he voted, doesn't really mean anything now, but it doesn't seem scummy to me at all.

Kurt Angle: Arrived late, but has made some very smart posts. I'm not sure if I only find him smart because I agree with everything he's said so far, but he seems to be a very good player, and is making strong points.

Rikishi's Ass: He really hasn't said anything of merit yet. He's just been joking around so far, I think.

The Undertaker:
The Undertaker;2935171']This is the rest of my thoughts on people.

Kurt Angle – Another person who seems to be into their character, again perhaps a little bit too much. He’s made a few posts, but I don’t feel that he added much to the discussion with his first few posts today. His comments to Bret about Canada or whatever seemed unnecessary and served no purpose in the game. He also said he understands Warrior. Maybe because they’re scum buddies? I find him to be fairly suspicious, but it’s still early days so maybe I just need time to adjust to his role playing.

Also, I can’t believe I skimmed right over The Rock’s role claim. I find that highly suspicious, especially when he said that he didn’t need to explain it. It just seems too early to have a serious role claim like that. At the same time though, it makes me think he might be town. Claiming an investigative role so early in the game is unlike mafia behaviour, as I’d think they’d wait until they were under heavy fire to attempt something like that. I’m quite unsure of where to place him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was scum, trying to scare the town out of voting for him.

Not much else here, but that's because I don't really find anyone else that suspicious to be honest.

I’m going to go with my gut instinct though, and that tells me that The Rock is a scum.

##Vote: The Rock


The Undertaker;2935183']
Kurt Angle;2935174']Is that what you honestly believe Undertaker? The Rock must be mafia because he roleclaim day 2 with no suspicion on him? Because that's a good mafia strategy :roll2. Sounds like you've had too many days with the coffins.

Whoops, sorry, my finger slipped and I hit post quick reply by accident. Anyway.

I said it was my gut instinct. And I never said he had to be Mafia because he roleclaimed Day 2 with no suspicion on him. In fact, I think I said the opposite. I said it would be strange for a mafia to roleclaim when they had very little suspicion. His role claim was suspicious in itself as there was no need for it, regardless of if he was town or scum. I made my reasoning and I'm sticking to it unless The Rock can convince me otherwise.

Aha! Contradicting himself! He votes for The Rock, and says later that he doesn't believe that the Rock is mafia, but is voting for him anyway. I think he might be scum, and he is trying to get rid of a possible cop

Stone Cold: I really liked how, when talking about and voting for me, he completely forgot to mention that I also talked about Ric Flair, and instead focused on what I said about Big Show, then said that I jumped on the first thing I saw. Stone Cold really hasn't said much, but he tries to make it seem like he is one of the top contributors. I definitely don't like the way he's playing, but I don't have any evidence on him. My suspicions are pretty much just a gut feeling.

The Ultimate Warrior: Makes long and good posts, but is too much in his character. I've seen this many times, and it's almost always a townie, but that doesn't clear Warrior at all, because he could be trying to play to this, so I don't really have a read on him except that he seems to make good posts.

*sigh* I unfortunately had to leave for a little bit, so I couldn't finish this. If you keep me alive, I guess I'll finish it tomorrow.

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

The Ultimate WARRIOR does not think the Rock is feeding the gooey veins of evil, Hoak Hogan, and is true to his self and his beliefs, the beliefs of the Ultimate WARRIOR. The Ultimate WARRIOR does not care if Jerichogan or Nature Hogan gets trashed in the ring of justice, but will not change his target.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4962/warriorcapsule.jpg

And to all the Hulkimaniacs out there, I was send from a capsule far from here, and I came here for one reason, Ho Kogan, to take, and to keep coming. Not to ask, but just to give, Hoak Hogan. Not to want, but just to send. Send the power of the WARRIOR down everybody's throat here in WRESTLEMANIAAAH!

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

I hang in 20 minutes :3

[[M] Mom – Host]

I'm going to go eat some food and when I am done the day will end. So do what you gotta do now people.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Everyone leaves when I make part of my big post. Great XD

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack still here Y2J, give the Original Gangsta a reason why y'all shouldn't hang from the gallows?

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Umm... I did what people asked and gave my suspicions on others? If you all still care, my list is now this...

Ric Flair: He was very wishy-washy all day every day. By never committing to anyone, it makes him seem less suspicious, common scum tactic.

Undertaker: For what I said in my post. He is voting for a possible cop, and even said he's probably not scum, but still voted for him.

Big Show: For what I already said. I know he said it's just a joke, but I can't let it go, because it's entirely possible that there was another motive.

[[M] Caprica]

Chris Jericho;2935242']Big Show: For what I already said. I know he said it's just a joke, but I can't let it go, because it's entirely possible that there was another motive.

No it's not.

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack has a bad feeling about this lynch y'all. Changing my vote would only force a draw with Nature Bhoy. Hmmmm scumary afoot

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Gah, by the time I post this, the day will probably be over...
And I can't do anything to change todays votes either, wondeful!

All I can say is that it looks like Jericho's going, so whatever he has to say now that he's on the chopping block could be useful, especially for discussing tomorrow.

So, speak up and share Jericho!

[[M] Colette]

Between the two I'd pick Flair over Jericho for the lynch as my vote suggests. I'm gettin' the vibes from him.

[[M] Mom – Host]

YouTube - Chris Jericho Titantron (2000-2001) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVdVSkeg1EM)

The clock began to count down.

5...4...3...2...1...

And the lights went out.

When they came back on, there was Chris Jericho, in his usual pose, arms spread out wide.

This is because he had been crucified by the town.

Oops.

Chris Jericho was a Townie played by leader of mortals. Thanks for playing! :)

NIGHT ACTIONS GO.

[[M] Apollo]

And now the mute Bagwell shows up y'all and refuses to vote? This is crazy!

[[M] Mom – Host]

Back in the Locker rooms, the WWEoff's Olympic Hero was not in the best of moods. He paced around mumbling to himself, only pausing to pour himself another shot of the hard stuff (full fat milk) and throw it down his neck. The cause of poor Kurt's ill mood? None other than the King of Kings himself, HHH.

"I'm a man of integrity!" Kurt insisted to no one in particular, "A man of intelligence! And damn sure a man of intensity! How dare he treat me like that?!"

Throwing his glass aside and drinking straight from the carton, Angle continued to rant to himself. His grievance with the Game this evening had begun during their match earlier in the evening, where HHH had taken a few liberties with his offence and been hitting too hard for Kurt's liking. In particular, a hard low blow from the cerebral assassin was still reverberating through the Oylimpian's "gold medals", much to his disdain.

"So what if I've forced myself on his wife in the past? He's a terrible husband, oh it's true! And he can't still be sore about those sledgehammer shots, that's his gimmick! I'm an American hero and he can not treat me that way! I'm going to give him a piece of my mind, it's true, it's DAMN true!"

After draining the last of his milk for courage, Kurt stormed out of his dressing room and marched over to Hunter's room, fully intent on giving him what for. The other superstars, who could easily sense the rage emanating from the gold medalist as he stormed in to confront the game quickly scattered away from the vicinity lest they get caught up in the carnage. Unfortunately, no one ventured near the room again until they heard Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley's screaming, after she'd walked into her husbands room to find both him and Kurt lifeless. Even though Earl Hebner took it as slow as possible, neither man got to their feet before a ten count, or ever again for that matter.

Kurt Angle was a Governor played by Goldenboko.
Triple H was a Beloved Princess played by Sir Lancelot. Thanks for playing guys!

After the worst imprompteau Last Man Standing match in history, WWEoff put on a tribute show to honour their Beloved Princess HHH. Unfortunately, this took all of Day 3 to put together, so we go straight into the night phase. Night actions, if you please.

[[M] Mom – Host]

Nobody died :jess:

Day 4, go.

[[M] Colette]

I have smelled what the Rock is cookin'.


And I don't like it.


But uh, my number one choice is still Flair.

##Vote: Ric Flair

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack is sticking to his guns from Day 2, that strange role claim electric Rocky man still has the Original Gangsta on needles & pins!

##Vote: The Rock

[[M] Adama]

What else do killers do at night? No deaths make me pleased and worried. Pleased because the doc pulled off his job, but worried because I thought there were two killers. I don't see how else Triple HHH and Kurt Angle could have been offed.

First off, to Jack. I didn't accuse you of mafia. No one likes being unfairly lynched and I worried. I couldn't argue because that's for others to decide. By looking at my posts, votes, and behavior, I'm sure I'm cool but I expressed a dislike of being a villain. That's not flinging the same empty accusations back. Putting words in my mouth is very disappointing from a guy I found trustworthy.

The Rock is bonkers. I cannot see how anything else fits. Hogan had all the signs of scapegoat written on him, and The Rock is the guy who put the last nail in that coffin. "He came up guilty because he was miller" is a simple cover after the fact. Who else have you investigated, jabroni? Claims are hard to back up, but more so when you have no legs to stand upon. I think you're lying.

More thoughts later.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

That's all you have to say, Hardyz? Especially after you made this post on Day 2:

The Hardy Boyz;2934942']We'll have to wait until we can do a body count on Night 3 to determine whether or not it was a killing role.
So now we have 2 bodies on Night 2 yet zero on Night 3. You don't care to comment on that at all?

Also care to share the reason you're voting for me? A whole lot of :bou::bou::bou::bou: has gone down since the last time you voted. Slapping on a vote and moving on is doing a disservice to the town. I mean, there's tons of reasons to vote for me. It shouldn't be hard for you to pick some.

[[M] Colette]

Ric Flair;2935829']That's all you have to say, Hardyz? Especially after you made this post on Day 2:

The Hardy Boyz;2934942']We'll have to wait until we can do a body count on Night 3 to determine whether or not it was a killing role.
So now we have 2 bodies on Night 2 yet zero on Night 3. You don't care to comment on that at all?

Also care to share the reason you're voting for me? A whole lot of :bou::bou::bou::bou: has gone down since the last time you voted. Slapping on a vote and moving on is doing a disservice to the town. I mean, there's tons of reasons to vote for me. It shouldn't be hard for you to pick some.

By "we" I meant the people who actually care about the Jihadist, which doesn't include me. More details can be found in The Hardy Boyz: Exist 2 Inspire, a book written by me and my bro.

[[M] Adama]

Flair, you're tipping either way right now. With you on the chopping block, it was easy to see why you saved yourself and voted for someone else. Interesting you voted for Jericho though. The guy turned out town and your other option was The Rock. Now I can see why you would hold out on The Rock for two reasons. The first is that you are scum and he is scum and you had to protect him. Everyone likes easy answers. But the other is so you could confirm Rocky's innocence come night. Both Jericho and The Rock were suspects and it was a one-or-the-other situation, but The Rock claimed cop or at least an investigator. Worth keeping around if it could be verified or backed up. But if you could not do that, I wonder why you would trust a claim so many others easily disbelieved?

[[M] Colette]

As for the two kills and the lack of any kill afterward: A wizard did it.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Yeah I thought for sure two killing roles after a BP and Governor died in the same night. Couldn't be any other way, but two doctors making the right choices seems a little far fetched. Or it could just be one doctor and they all targeted the same person. Or it could be one of them decided not to make a kill to spread confusion (like TK did in mindsmurf mafia). Though that's a pretty risky gambit.

[[M] Adama]

I thought the jihadist issue was put to rest with Eddie, but the double kill makes me think it's coming back to haunt us like a cult or a cell (because if we're being a little xenophobic we may as well call it what a "jihadist" would belong to). I know it's a little crazy so I didn't speak up about it immediately, but since this is now on the table again.

[[M] Apollo]

2 Deaths Night 2 suggests that there is scum amongst scum with the power to kill alone! New Jack especially dislikes scum with this kinda power.

But New Jack has a better theory, a member of town is a vigilante & said vigilante is responsible for one of the 2 deaths. New Jack has pretty heavy suspicions as too who this vigilante, I'd say 85%.

Change of Hart, New Jack is not trying to put words in y'alls mouth! Y'all said suspicion be on New Jack if Change Of Hart goes swinging from the gallows, which to New Jack is a passive aggressive threat ya know! If y'all saw me as trustworthy why say such things. Even though Change of Hart casting doubt over New Jack today New Jack doesn't think Change of Hart is scum.

Hardly Boys need to start giving more of y'all opinions rather than just constantly saying Nature Bhoy is scum & voting on Nature Bhoy without proper reason y'all. New Jack explained why New Jack suspected Nature Bhoy earlier in the game. Hardly Boys just seemed to agree with New Jack assertions & vote Nature Bhoy, originally because "its Day 1 & I've no real reason" but it's Day 4 y'all gotta over more than that now if y'all gonna help town.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Bret Hart;2935833']Flair, you're tipping either way right now. With you on the chopping block, it was easy to see why you saved yourself and voted for someone else. Interesting you voted for Jericho though. The guy turned out town and your other option was The Rock. Now I can see why you would hold out on The Rock for two reasons. The first is that you are scum and he is scum and you had to protect him. Everyone likes easy answers. But the other is so you could confirm Rocky's innocence come night. Both Jericho and The Rock were suspects and it was a one-or-the-other situation, but The Rock claimed cop or at least an investigator. Worth keeping around if it could be verified or backed up. But if you could not do that, I wonder why you would trust a claim so many others easily disbelieved?
I didn't 'trust' the claim (but I didn't mistrust it), nor did I have any way to verify it myself. My choice was based on history. Most of the time when people make these vague claims they get voted out and then their claim turns out to be true. I've seen it happen many times. People are quick to vote out claimers, especially in the early days. Since I know this, I figure the scum know too and wouldn't make that gambit. Since if it is a lie, it is now a lie he has to keep up with for the rest of the game. As days go by it should become increasingly obvious that he is lying. I figured it was worth another day of discussion at least. So I went with Jericho, who I didn't really think was scum but I didn't know for certain.

That was a mistake though. A true Townie wouldn't vote for someone he didn't suspect just to save himself. It's not what Psychotic would have done. He would have pulled some last minute gambit and turned the tides. I failed to live up to His standards in His game. I'll try to make up for it today, which may be my last hurrah.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Right now I feel these people need to be scrutinized the most. They have been skating under the radar and posting just enough to do so:
Rikishi
The Undertaker
Stone Cold

These guys I can't get much of a read on. Sometimes I find what they say helpful and insightful, but mafia can do those things too. They've been active though so the more they post the better read I will get:
Bret Hart
The Rock

These two have been pretty much nonexistent. You can't really analyze their posts because they have too few posts. So they need to post more:
Buff Bagwell
Max Mini

For the record, I am pretty certain these guys aren't scum:
New Jack
Big Show
The Hardy BoyZ (though their failure to elaborate on stuff is undoing this)

And I don't know what the smurf to think about The Warrior. He's so into his character that it's hard to read his post for anything other than entertainment.

As for Ric Flair, well, he's obviously mafia. :D

[[M] Caprica]

^^ OMG that's not a joke it's a mistake! Mafia for totes!

So what could have happened last night? Here are some possibilities:

- Both killing factions targeted the same person who was protected by a doctor. Do doctors only negate one kill or do they protect someone for the whole night?

- Both killing factions targeted someone who is bulletproof.

- The second killer simply decided not to kill anyone. He could be a pro-town killer like a vigilante.

- The second killer has a limit on the number of people he can kill.

- The second killer was role blocked. If so, perhaps today would be a good time for whoever blocked them to come forward with who they blocked last night.

And some things I think we can assume:

- The second killer did not run out of time to get his night action in. It has been less than 24 hours.

- The second killer is probably independent from the Mafia. (Not a Mafia Serial Killer.)

[[M] Apollo]

Nature Bhoy trusts the Original Gangsta? New Jack is presently surprised y'all. New Jack see's what Nature Bhoy is doing calling for his lynch too ;) Care to comment in on New Jack's vigilante idea Nature Bhoy?

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Yeah any of those could work. I'm going to go on the assumption of two killers because I can't think of any other way Angle and HHH would have died at the same time.

Does that really help us today? Probably not, but it's something to keep in mind.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

New Jack;2935848']Nature Bhoy trusts the Original Gangsta? New Jack is presently surprised y'all. New Jack see's what Nature Bhoy is doing calling for his lynch too ;) Care to comment in on New Jack's vigilante idea Nature Bhoy?
A vig is a possibility. As I mentioned any of Big Show's scenarios is possible. It's odd that you are so sure you know who it is, though. How do you know that person is a pro-town vig and not the evil kind (Serial Killer)? Psychotic loves the SK role after all.

If there is a Vig then they are doing a poor job of it. :p

[[M] Caprica]

Ric Flair;2935852']If there is a Vig then they are doing a poor job of it. :p

Which would work with the "decided not to kill anyone" scenario. :P

[[M] Colette]

Is it really important? There could be two mafia factions or mafia and a serial killer (but all is scum there as far as we're concerned) or we could have a bad vigilante. Two kills is all we know. As for the lack of kills, is it so surprising that we could have doctors or there could be roles capable of blocking out there? It's not really a big deal. We just gotta keep an eye on the time, and let our protective roles worry about the kills. We only have control over the lynch right now. "There could be" this or "what if that" is all just fluff discussion for scum to hide in. MR. FLAIR.

[[M] Apollo]

Based on the role revealed by the death of all the townies so far, it seems to New Jack that if y'all got any real knowledge of raslin, there is a clue to each of y'all roles in each of y'all gimmicks. Again just an Original Gangsta theory

[[M] Caprica]

Also everyone remember I hate cops!!! ;) ;) ;)

Is he giving us a hint? Or is he just a bastard?

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

We can debate possible killer setups all day, but I'd like to get to the people I think are scum. First some general observations. There are two (or maybe three) main differences between scum and town. Here they are:

1. Scum know who are on their team and who aren't. Town don't. To scum, anyone who's not on their team who dies is fine with them. A dead town is a dead town. Even though he's gone now (and this doesn't help me, I know), I figured Angle for town after Day 2 because of his vote switch to Jericho. If he was mafia, he wouldn't really care who between us dies. In fact he probably would have preferred I die.

2. Scum plan for the future. They aren't going to say anything that may come back to bite them, at least they will try not to. Town, most of the time, live in the moment. So be weary of anyone who doesn't put it all on the line every day.

(3.) Mafia's number 1 priority during the day is self-preservation. Town also do this, yeah, but they also have the focus of finding mafia. It's a subtle difference but it's something to keep in mind.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

The Big Show;2935869']
Also everyone remember I hate cops!!! ;) ;) ;)

Is he giving us a hint? Or is he just a bastard?
Those are not mutually exclusive. :p

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Ok here is what I think about Rikishi, which is basically a copy paste of my earlier argument since he hasn't posted since then:


Ric Flair;2935180']And for the record, here's Rikishi and Stone Cold's reactions to it:


Rikishi's Ass;2934953"]
Stone Cold;2934952']That being said, Big Show's post got me thinking... why should mafia have hit Warrior last night? Because you find him annoying or for something else?

My ass cheek sense is tingling! Big Show probably wants us to see him as innocent!

Big Show: "I would've killed Warrior if I was scum."

Town: "Oh well Warrior is alive, guess Big Show isn't scum."

Big Show: :mwahaha:

To me, Show's comment was an obvious joke, and anyone with a brain would be able to know a mafia wouldn't make such bluderous strategy decision. As I've said before, I think the Show is a true town and also new at this game, so he's just trying to make sense of it all. The wool could be over my eyes but that's what I believe for now!

So the comment itself wasn't that telling, but the reaction to it was. Mafia love to find little blunders like this from the town to use as ammo for their phony assaults. Stone Cold's reaction was meh, but Rikishi's was a little more interesting. Planting a seed for the town to grasp on to? Maybe. Here's another interesting post from Rikishi where he tries to appear helpful:


Rikishi's Ass;2934950"]
The Hardy Boyz;2934940']I don't think it's really important what the Jihadist role was, seeing as it's been thrown out so early in the game. Though I am curious.

Not important? Of course not. The role doesn't give any insight into what else might be out there. Why did we even mention it? :monster:

Nice italics! While it doesn't behoove the town to talk all day about possible night kill scenarios and dead roles, I think that's obvious to most of us. So pointing out something we all believe could be a great way to get in good with us!
Rikishi's votes were:
Day 1 - The Hardy Boyz (was the only vote on Hardyz)
Day 2 - Bret Hart

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

The Hardy Boyz;2935867']Is it really important? There could be two mafia factions or mafia and a serial killer (but all is scum there as far as we're concerned) or we could have a bad vigilante. Two kills is all we know. As for the lack of kills, is it so surprising that we could have doctors or there could be roles capable of blocking out there? It's not really a big deal. We just gotta keep an eye on the time, and let our protective roles worry about the kills. We only have control over the lynch right now. "There could be" this or "what if that" is all just fluff discussion for scum to hide in. MR. FLAIR.
Oh come off it. If I wanted to hide I wouldn't even be posting. It's a little too late for me to try to get in the town's good graces with fluff discussion. Speculating on what the hell is going on and what the roles are is one of the fun things to do in this game. Besides, Jack and Show are doing it too. :p

You still haven't said why you are voting for me. Or was that it?

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Ok here's my thoughts on The Undertaker. And this will probably be it for now because digging through this stuff is a time sink. I think Jericho was on to something about Undertaker in one of his final posts:


Chris Jericho;2935231']The Undertaker:
The Undertaker;2935171']Also, I can’t believe I skimmed right over The Rock’s role claim. I find that highly suspicious, especially when he said that he didn’t need to explain it. It just seems too early to have a serious role claim like that. At the same time though, it makes me think he might be town. Claiming an investigative role so early in the game is unlike mafia behaviour, as I’d think they’d wait until they were under heavy fire to attempt something like that. I’m quite unsure of where to place him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was scum, trying to scare the town out of voting for him.

Not much else here, but that's because I don't really find anyone else that suspicious to be honest.

I’m going to go with my gut instinct though, and that tells me that The Rock is a scum.

##Vote: The Rock


The Undertaker;2935183']
Kurt Angle;2935174']Is that what you honestly believe Undertaker? The Rock must be mafia because he roleclaim day 2 with no suspicion on him? Because that's a good mafia strategy :roll2. Sounds like you've had too many days with the coffins.

Whoops, sorry, my finger slipped and I hit post quick reply by accident. Anyway.

I said it was my gut instinct. And I never said he had to be Mafia because he roleclaimed Day 2 with no suspicion on him. In fact, I think I said the opposite. I said it would be strange for a mafia to roleclaim when they had very little suspicion. His role claim was suspicious in itself as there was no need for it, regardless of if he was town or scum. I made my reasoning and I'm sticking to it unless The Rock can convince me otherwise.

Aha! Contradicting himself! He votes for The Rock, and says later that he doesn't believe that the Rock is mafia, but is voting for him anyway. I think he might be scum, and he is trying to get rid of a possible cop
The Undertaker has been making mostly general posts without much substance behind them. Then there's that contradiction regarding The Rock. I feel he should explain himself for that.

The Undertaker's votes:
Day 1 - Stone Cold
Day 2 - The Rock

His first vote, for Stone Cold was just pretty much agreeing with me (though it's hard to blame someone for believing the charasmatic Ric Flair). His second vote just baffled me because he himself said he didn't suspect The Rock much! He needs to answer for these things, but I'm not going to vote for him for now.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

No one wants to reply to my wall of posts? Fine. I'm getting lunch then.

Like I said, of the two I find Rikishi more suspicious. That's where my vote goes right now!

##Vote: Rikishi

[[M] Eizen]

New Jack;2935825']New Jack is sticking to his guns from Day 2, that strange role claim electric Rocky man still has the Original Gangsta on needles & pins!

##Vote: The Rock

The Rock has a little problem with this, jabroni. First of all, The Rock has never outright claimed any role. He may have hinted at an investigative role, but he has never claimed any role. If you knew a thing or two, you best shut your mouth or The Rock would shove that claim up your candy ass.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

WOOOO! That's not enough for the Nature Boy, Rocky! And I'm guessing, woooo, that's not gonna be enough for New Jack either! If you're gonna step into the ring with the best, Rock, WOOOO, you're gonna have to explain why you said what you did. And if your explanation is--wooooo--that we should all shut our damn mouths, then maybe we will, Rock. Shut our mouths as we come down to teach you how to respect the greatest names in our sport. By voting your ass right out of this game. WOOOOOOO! (happy dk?)

[[M] Eizen]

Don't you think you've gone a little overboard with all that WOOing there, Nature Boy? The Rock has no need to explain himself. Either you believe in The Rock, or you don't. Let's say that The Rock happens to know about these scums. If that happens to be true and he suddenly gets lynched, who will the Town go to, to find the scum? What happens then? The Rock suggests that the town keep him alive, because he may have valuable information the Town will need in the future, if you know what The Rock is cookin'.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Rock, you should talk about over acting! WOOOOO! The Nature Boy is just getting into the spirit of this sport, the greatest sport in the world. And all I gotta say, Rock, is that if you have information about these scums, it sure hasn't helped us a whole lot so far. Wooo! So don't expect any sympathy from us, Rock. The Nature Boy isn't gonna let this go, brother, but for now maybe you should talk about who you think should be put over the top rope in this rumble. Cause someone's gotta go, Rock. Wooo! Someone's gotta take the pinfall. The Nature Boy doesn't want it to be him, and I bet you don't want it to be you, Rock! So who should it be, Rock? WOOOOO! Who needs the smackdown layed on them?

[[M] Caprica]

The Rock;2935892']
New Jack;2935825']New Jack is sticking to his guns from Day 2, that strange role claim electric Rocky man still has the Original Gangsta on needles & pins!

##Vote: The Rock

The Rock has a little problem with this, jabroni. First of all, The Rock has never outright claimed any role. He may have hinted at an investigative role, but he has never claimed any role. If you knew a thing or two, you best shut your mouth or The Rock would shove that claim up your candy ass.
Hinting is close enough.

The Rock;2935903']Don't you think you've gone a little overboard with all that WOOing there, Nature Boy? The Rock has no need to explain himself. Either you believe in The Rock, or you don't. Let's say that The Rock happens to know about these scums. If that happens to be true and he suddenly gets lynched, who will the Town go to, to find the scum? What happens then? The Rock suggests that the town keep him alive, because he may have valuable information the Town will need in the future, if you know what The Rock is cookin'.

You do have to explain yourself, actually. That's how the game is played.

##Vote: The Rock

Why would you hint at something like that? In fact, if you were really a cop, you'd probably be dead by now. I know if I was scum I wouldn't want a cop snooping around. You would be my first target. You're either mafia or a bomb. Or both.

[[M] Eizen]

The Big Show;2935908']
The Rock;2935892']
New Jack;2935825']New Jack is sticking to his guns from Day 2, that strange role claim electric Rocky man still has the Original Gangsta on needles & pins!

##Vote: The Rock

The Rock has a little problem with this, jabroni. First of all, The Rock has never outright claimed any role. He may have hinted at an investigative role, but he has never claimed any role. If you knew a thing or two, you best shut your mouth or The Rock would shove that claim up your candy ass.
Hinting is close enough.

The Rock;2935903']Don't you think you've gone a little overboard with all that WOOing there, Nature Boy? The Rock has no need to explain himself. Either you believe in The Rock, or you don't. Let's say that The Rock happens to know about these scums. If that happens to be true and he suddenly gets lynched, who will the Town go to, to find the scum? What happens then? The Rock suggests that the town keep him alive, because he may have valuable information the Town will need in the future, if you know what The Rock is cookin'.

You do have to explain yourself, actually. That's how the game is played.

##Vote: The Rock

Why would you hint at something like that? In fact, if you were really a cop, you'd probably be dead by now. I know if I was scum I wouldn't want a cop snooping around. You would be my first target. You're either mafia or a bomb. Or both.

So you think The Rock could be "The Bomb"? But you know what? The Rock has something to admin. Maybe perhaps his role is useless after all, as the last few results all ended "Guilty". Go ahead, call The Rock a fraud, a phony, whatever if you will. The Rock doesn't care what you think, all he cares is to win with the Town and for the scum to go down.

[[M] Apollo]

The Rock;2935892']
New Jack;2935825']New Jack is sticking to his guns from Day 2, that strange role claim electric Rocky man still has the Original Gangsta on needles & pins!

##Vote: The Rock

The Rock has a little problem with this, jabroni. First of all, The Rock has never outright claimed any role. He may have hinted at an investigative role, but he has never claimed any role. If you knew a thing or two, you best shut your mouth or The Rock would shove that claim up your candy ass.

Role claim or Role hint the difference doesn't matter to New Jack electric Rocky man! Even a blind man could see that to even hint at y'all role at such an early stage is scummy. Y'all saying y'all found some guilty? Well then electric Rocky man give New Jack some y'all sweet candy so the Original Gangsta can pay y'all in staples!

[[M] Colette]

Ric Flair;2935883']
You still haven't said why you are voting for me. Or was that it?

No. No I have not.

derp de derp.

[[M] Apollo]

The Hardy Boyz;2935917']
Ric Flair;2935883']
You still haven't said why you are voting for me. Or was that it?

No. No I have not.

derp de derp.

New Jack getting tired of asking nicely to y'all Hardly Boys! Why are y'all voting for Nature Bhoy?

[[M] Adama]

Holy crap, getting through this will be a challenge.


New Jack;2935837']Change of Hart, New Jack is not trying to put words in y'alls mouth! Y'all said suspicion be on New Jack if Change Of Hart goes swinging from the gallows, which to New Jack is a passive aggressive threat ya know! If y'all saw me as trustworthy why say such things. Even though Change of Hart casting doubt over New Jack today New Jack doesn't think Change of Hart is scum.A man's entitled to be pissed at a guy who kills him is all. Glad we cleared that up for now.

The Hardy Boyz are good at sharing hardly any information. What they do harp on are hypothetical details of things which do not really matter. I believe I've said it before and saying it again cannot underline how much I agree with others that not talking is hurting the Hardy Boyz's good name.


Ric Flair;2935838']I didn't 'trust' the claim (but I didn't mistrust it), nor did I have any way to verify it myself. My choice was based on history. Most of the time when people make these vague claims they get voted out and then their claim turns out to be true. I've seen it happen many times. People are quick to vote out claimers, especially in the early days. Since I know this, I figure the scum know too and wouldn't make that gambit. Since if it is a lie, it is now a lie he has to keep up with for the rest of the game. As days go by it should become increasingly obvious that he is lying. I figured it was worth another day of discussion at least. So I went with Jericho, who I didn't really think was scum but I didn't know for certain.I agree your voting on Jericho was a poor decision, but that's behind us. You do now know your other choice is ringing false with his only replies of "SHUT UP AND TRUST ME" instead of answering with a list of people he has investigated or at least pretending to confirm the role he now claims was only just a hint. I say he went in half-cocked and didn't realize he had to fire. I think The Rock is already cracking.


Ric Flair;2935844']Right now I feel these people need to be scrutinized the most. They have been skating under the radar and posting just enough to do so:
Rikishi
The Undertaker
Stone Cold


The hard part about that is these guys are so quiet. We can keep imploring them to be more active, but will they respond? This could be an instance where pressure needs to be applied. How about we lean on these guys? Just enough votes to draw the quietest out to talk? Rikishi isn't too shy, but what about The Undertaker or Stone Cold?


Ric Flair;2935844']These guys I can't get much of a read on. Sometimes I find what they say helpful and insightful, but mafia can do those things too. They've been active though so the more they post the better read I will get:
Bret Hart
The RockI've already given my talk about The Rock. Me, you'll have to do that on your own.


Ric Flair;2935844']These two have been pretty much nonexistent. You can't really analyze their posts because they have too few posts. So they need to post more:
Buff Bagwell
Max MiniI am seconding this. Buffy, Maxy, post more. You have to. Are you with us or are you against us? Only mafia scum won't lend a hand.


Ric Flair;2935844']For the record, I am pretty certain these guys aren't scum:
New Jack
Big Show
The Hardy BoyZ (though their failure to elaborate on stuff is undoing this)I for one disagree about the Boyz. They insert chaff in discussion and then bandwagon votes. I haven't heard many details from them about anything, not even that book they keep bringing up.

New Jack and to some extent Big Show are keepers because of how vocal and outgoing they have been. I don't think any of theirs or our suspicions have gotten us anything yet, but their contributions will eventually sink them if they are scum and save us if they are town.


Ric Flair;2935844']And I don't know what the smurf to think about The Warrior. He's so into his character that it's hard to read his post for anything other than entertainment.In my book, Ultimate Warrior may as well not be posting. I hear rants and lots of pictures and warrior talk, but I am unsure what to take seriously. All I know is he hates Hulk, but hadn't heard the news since he keeps calling all of us Hogan.


Ric Flair;2935844']As for Ric Flair, well, he's obviously mafia. :D
You are still a schizo, baby. I think you do good, and I'll be more likely to change that view once we deal with Rocky. I'm still not sure you didn't save the jabroni out of desperation or what back there. Jericho was at least trying to do some comprehensive posts, while all The Rock does is tell us to can it.


Ric Flair;2935879']Ok here is what I think about Rikishi, which is basically a copy paste of my earlier argument since he hasn't posted since then:


Ric Flair;2935180']And for the record, here's Rikishi and Stone Cold's reactions to it:

[QUOTE="[M] Rikishi's Ass;2934953"][QUOTE='[M] Stone Cold;2934952']That being said, Big Show's post got me thinking... why should mafia have hit Warrior last night? Because you find him annoying or for something else?

My ass cheek sense is tingling! Big Show probably wants us to see him as innocent!

Big Show: "I would've killed Warrior if I was scum."

Town: "Oh well Warrior is alive, guess Big Show isn't scum."

Big Show: :mwahaha:

To me, Show's comment was an obvious joke, and anyone with a brain would be able to know a mafia wouldn't make such bluderous strategy decision. As I've said before, I think the Show is a true town and also new at this game, so he's just trying to make sense of it all. The wool could be over my eyes but that's what I believe for now!

So the comment itself wasn't that telling, but the reaction to it was. Mafia love to find little blunders like this from the town to use as ammo for their phony assaults. Stone Cold's reaction was meh, but Rikishi's was a little more interesting. Planting a seed for the town to grasp on to? Maybe. Here's another interesting post from Rikishi where he tries to appear helpful:


Rikishi's Ass;2934950"]
The Hardy Boyz;2934940']I don't think it's really important what the Jihadist role was, seeing as it's been thrown out so early in the game. Though I am curious.

Not important? Of course not. The role doesn't give any insight into what else might be out there. Why did we even mention it? :monster:

Nice italics! While it doesn't behoove the town to talk all day about possible night kill scenarios and dead roles, I think that's obvious to most of us. So pointing out something we all believe could be a great way to get in good with us!
Rikishi's votes were:
Day 1 - The Hardy Boyz (was the only vote on Hardyz)
Day 2 - Bret HartI think this is a good conversation to keep because it will be telling in the future. A joke is a pretty small thing to flip out over. I know we've been grasping at straws for two days, but come on, that's thinner than turpentine. I'm keeping a bead on you two, Rikishi and Cold.


Ric Flair;2935884']Ok here's my thoughts on The Undertaker. And this will probably be it for now because digging through this stuff is a time sink. I think Jericho was on to something about Undertaker in one of his final posts:


Chris Jericho;2935231']The Undertaker:
The Undertaker;2935171']Also, I can’t believe I skimmed right over The Rock’s role claim. I find that highly suspicious, especially when he said that he didn’t need to explain it. It just seems too early to have a serious role claim like that. At the same time though, it makes me think he might be town. Claiming an investigative role so early in the game is unlike mafia behaviour, as I’d think they’d wait until they were under heavy fire to attempt something like that. I’m quite unsure of where to place him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was scum, trying to scare the town out of voting for him.

Not much else here, but that's because I don't really find anyone else that suspicious to be honest.

I’m going to go with my gut instinct though, and that tells me that The Rock is a scum.

##Vote: The Rock


The Undertaker;2935183']
Kurt Angle;2935174']Is that what you honestly believe Undertaker? The Rock must be mafia because he roleclaim day 2 with no suspicion on him? Because that's a good mafia strategy :roll2. Sounds like you've had too many days with the coffins.

Whoops, sorry, my finger slipped and I hit post quick reply by accident. Anyway.

I said it was my gut instinct. And I never said he had to be Mafia because he roleclaimed Day 2 with no suspicion on him. In fact, I think I said the opposite. I said it would be strange for a mafia to roleclaim when they had very little suspicion. His role claim was suspicious in itself as there was no need for it, regardless of if he was town or scum. I made my reasoning and I'm sticking to it unless The Rock can convince me otherwise.

Aha! Contradicting himself! He votes for The Rock, and says later that he doesn't believe that the Rock is mafia, but is voting for him anyway. I think he might be scum, and he is trying to get rid of a possible cop
The Undertaker has been making mostly general posts without much substance behind them. Then there's that contradiction regarding The Rock. I feel he should explain himself for that.

The Undertaker's votes:
Day 1 - Stone Cold
Day 2 - The Rock

His first vote, for Stone Cold was just pretty much agreeing with me (though it's hard to blame someone for believing the charasmatic Ric Flair). His second vote just baffled me because he himself said he didn't suspect The Rock much! He needs to answer for these things, but I'm not going to vote for him for now.Aaand another good deduction by the inestimable Ric Flair. I'll risk saying perhaps our quiet gravedigger was intimidated while under pressure or maybe everything just made sense at the time. But, but, I do think The Undertaker needs to get his butt busy and do his own arguing instead of having Flair ready to lynch him.

I know I'm going to be reading through another monster stack of posts, but a vote for now, jabroni.

##VOTE: The Rock

[[M] Adama]

I feel like Raistlin arguing in Eyes on Each Other.

[[M] Caprica]

The Rock;2935910']So you think The Rock could be "The Bomb"? But you know what? The Rock has something to admin. Maybe perhaps his role is useless after all, as the last few results all ended "Guilty". Go ahead, call The Rock a fraud, a phony, whatever if you will. The Rock doesn't care what you think, all he cares is to win with the Town and for the scum to go down.

Didn't you say you investigated the Miller and he came up guilty? If you were insane, he would have come up innocent. Your only hope (as far as I know) is to be a paranoid cop. So who did you investigate? Spill it.

[[M] Apollo]

Do y'all actually believe electric Rocky Man is for real a cop Biggie Shows? I hope Electric Rocky Man isn't 5 O because that'd make him the biggest dumbass in sports entertainment! An early role "hint" doesn't help town y'all

[[M] Caprica]

He's definitely not a cop. I'm just giving him a chance to try to prove it. Which will fail and hopefully make it more obvious that he's scum and not just hilariously bad at this game.

[[M] Adama]

After responding to Flair's posts, there is not actually much left to give an answer. Hardy Boyz still being tight-lipped and The Rock is still scum. Whoohoo.

[[M] Adama]

I'm in the middle of hitting up ladies, but I'm always happy to share thoughts and bring more bam to the party if there's something to discuss.

[[M] Colette]

WAIT

I do have something to say about my thoughts: This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecb5-uAvFhM) song reminds me of The Warrior.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Ricky Flair aw man you so funny. That was as much a throwaway comment as Mr BIG SHOW's was, but of course you can only see one tier jokes! Watch Inception, we always gotta go deeper. Deeper into mah ass :smug:

Whatever our friend The Rock's deal is, he's probably not :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty mafia that has such a weak roleclaim so early. Paranoid cop was mentioned earlier. Could be it, don't really care at this point ANYWAYS.

lalala what next. Oh yah, I got it now, don't worry peeps. Erm MR Ricky Flair there, well I don't like him. Dunno why brahs but my ass is tingly and it ain't in a good way. I do like how he was all discussing how he had to vote Jericho or Harty to save his ass but then targeted my ass! Good show good show Flair buddy.

But something I don't like more is how Bretty Wetty Hart boy is agreeing with him so much. I mean, they seem in cahoots to me and that smells pretty bad. And trust me it's not just the smell of my ass, I washed this mornin'. Got right up in there, clean as a whistle now.

So brodudes I'm gonna stick to my guns and say Hart is a scummy wench and I'm gonna get you you sunglasses wearing scumbag.

##Vote: [M] Bret Hart

Once you flip dirty blood red then I'm gonna take down your compadre Flair. Word to your mother. You can't stop my ass once it gets rolling.

[[M] Apollo]

If y'all wanna talk about throw away comment ya big stinky ass New Jack just read one! If y'all wanna help town offer more than just throw away suggestions.

New Jack can see Change of Hart & Nature Bhoy always be flip floppin but at least they offering up conversation y'all.

Also stinky ass man saying Electric Rocky man's role claim is crap so lets not vote for his obviously scummy candy ass isn't exactly an argument New Jack can get on board with y'all

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

I'm not telling you fellas not to vote for The boulder Rock, I'm telling you I ain't! My opinion on the dued is as valid as Flair boy there, so lemme voice it.

Since my fat before weren't enough to chew on how about some more. Buff Bagwell? Rocks up at the eleventh hour and does :bou::bou::bou::bou: all. I call bull:bou::bou::bou::bou: on that :bou::bou::bou::bou: yeah? He had the power to at least tie that fucker up to give Jericho a chance to give an argument. I don't like that creepy fucker any more than I do Ricky the Flair gun or Bretty Hart.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

A'yooooo brodudes, I have a correction to make. Buff Bagwell did not have the chance to tie that fucker up. The lack of vote counts is fucking with me, I told ya I don't like counting!

I still don't like that scummy bastard.

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack agrees stinky ass man then why not vote for the Fluff Flagwell ;) New Jack agrees he stinks but no point in the Original Gangsta voting for him if y'all ignore when New Jack votes for the Fluff? New Jack not gonna waste a vote on a silent scumer when there's a role "hintin" Electric noisy scumer hindering town y'all

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

New Jack my brotherman I can dig that but my aim is still on that there Hart dude. You said discussion is good, yeah, and I can feel that too, but mafia discussion is bad, it detracts from the town, misleads them!

If I'm right and Harty is a scumbag then at least we don't have to worry about him and his role no more. One at a time is my motto. I only got one ass, gotta sit on the fuckers one at a time.

[[M] Adama]

The Hardy Boyz;2935944']WAIT

I do have something to say about my thoughts: This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecb5-uAvFhM) song reminds me of The Warrior.Absolutely useless. See, this is why we can't be friends.


Rikishi's Ass;2935957"]Ricky Flair aw man you so funny. That was as much a throwaway comment as Mr BIG SHOW's was, but of course you can only see one tier jokes! Watch Inception, we always gotta go deeper. Deeper into mah ass :smug:So it was all a feint that you got strung out by it? Sensitive booty indeed.


Rikishi's Ass;2935957"]Whatever our friend The Rock's deal is, he's probably not :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty mafia that has such a weak roleclaim so early. Paranoid cop was mentioned earlier. Could be it, don't really care at this point ANYWAYS.Is that your out? Accepting he might be a crap paranoid cop who cannot name a few suspects he investigated? "Everyone's been guilty" is a shoddy answer.


Rikishi's Ass;2935957"]lalala what next. Oh yah, I got it now, don't worry peeps. Erm MR Ricky Flair there, well I don't like him. Dunno why brahs but my ass is tingly and it ain't in a good way. I do like how he was all discussing how he had to vote Jericho or Harty to save his ass but then targeted my ass! Good show good show Flair buddy.Bit of a bummer here, but it was Jericho or The Rock. And your ass seems to be as flippant as the Hardy Boyz when it comes to seriously hunting down Mafia, so I'm glad Flair is riding it.


Rikishi's Ass;2935957"]But something I don't like more is how Bretty Wetty Hart boy is agreeing with him so much. I mean, they seem in cahoots to me and that smells pretty bad. And trust me it's not just the smell of my ass, I washed this mornin'. Got right up in there, clean as a whistle now.

So brodudes I'm gonna stick to my guns and say Hart is a scummy wench and I'm gonna get you you sunglasses wearing scumbag.

##Vote: [M] Bret Hart

Once you flip dirty blood red then I'm gonna take down your compadre Flair. Word to your mother. You can't stop my ass once it gets rolling.I wholehartedly apologize if you fail to acknowledge good ideas when they are presented to you. If Flair can sell a good story, if New Jack can sell a good story, iff anyone can sell me a story chock full of logic and good 'ol detective spirit, I'm there and I'm buying. I might not burp it up later so my friends can share, but I pack it away for good measure. It's smart. If :bou::bou::bou::bou: stinks later, I know why and from where, buddy.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Dued lighten up a little. Everything's so dark 'cause yo wearing sunglasses, that's why brodude.

The Rocky Wocky's roleclaim seems bogus yeah, sure, but if it's not then he's useful. A paranoid cop is useless to us except as bantha fodder, but maybe The Rock has just investigated every damn mafia + the miller since the beginning. In any case I don't know and can't figure it out yet so I don't care. I feel this was similar to what everyone else was trying to ram down my throat with the jihadist -- Can't figure it out so stop distracting everybody. holy motherfucking :bou::bou::bou::bou: batman, I can't figure you folks out. Gimme clear instructions on what can and cannot be discussed and we coo', we'll roll like dat.

The moral of the story is though kidlings: Don't be a scummy bastard and enjoy yourself before you die. Aw yea.

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack wants to know why Mr Skiny Ass keeps defendin Electric Rocky Man? Its his poontang pie isn't it?

[[M] Adama]

The Rock;2934456']You know what Nature Boy, The Rock is gonna have to agree with you. We're gonna need the votes to take out the scums, and what better way for The Rock to show his support than by voting for that ass. Just look at it! Utterly disgusting!

##Vote: Rikishi's Ass


The Rock;2934618']It is time for The Rock to spice things up a little to all of you jabronies! The Rock has decided that a vote for the ass is not the best thing to do. Really now, that ass may be unsightly at worst, but all this talk about smelly business has The Rock thinking. The Rock is gonna make something clear, and The Rock will layeth the smackdown on the poor candy ass that belongs to the hater named Hulk Hogan. Let it be known that The Rock has spoken!

##Unvote: Rikishi's Ass
##Vote: Hulk Hogan

Good detective work there, jabroni. Day 1 votes.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

lawl. Okay cool The Rock and I are brodudes then. Sweet, does that make me like The Scorpion Duke or summat?

ROCK BRO KENYA HEAR ME THEY FIGURED US OUT MAN WE'RE SO TOASTED LIKE BREAD. WE GOTTA RUN, IT'S DEM COPS

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

PS plz don't bust my ass ociffer. I'm too pretty to go to gaol. They'll rape my ass dued

[[M] Adama]

Actually was pointing out that The Rock investigates nobody if you haven't come up "guilty" yet, but that works too. Why vote for you before Hogan? Did he investigate Hogan at night and then flippantly vote Rikishi's Ass? The Rock is a geological formation of lies.

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack should give Stinky Ass a class in Ebonics

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Sigh...
Not only am I a fail of a townie, but I know why there were two deaths night two.

I had one bullet and I put it into Gobo, I had reasoning then, but it doesn't make sense to me now... I'm sorry man :(

So yeah, someone (probably mafia) killed Triple H, I shot Kurt Angle.

Why am I saying this? Because I messed up and the town needs to know, and by knowing, we can make the right choices.


One person died night zero, who knows why, probably mafia.
Two people died night one, due to an explosion. This was probably caused by the Jihadist, so where is the Mafia's kill?
Two people died night two, one was my bad shooting, and the other was probably the mafia.
No one died night three, where is the mafia's kill?

I can only think of two reasons why this would be so, either the mafia can only kill every other day, or we have a protecting role who has done a great job night one and three.


Hopefully this is useful somehow, I've probably condemned myself regardless, but we'll see...

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

:tongue:

New Jack dude I'm just messin' about, I mean no disrespect.

Hart has a point thar but doesn't that reinforce what I raved about anyway. bro Rock (brock lawl) throws a vote down on me early on as a way to put us on opposite sides. I dunno man but you have a good point.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Bagwell the bullet fiend. You killed Gobo, you bastard :( Don't you know chocobos are good luck! JESUS CHRIST MAN.

Dunno bout the rest of the folks but I still wanna hear this reasoning of yours. Might help figure out if you're bull:bou::bou::bou::bou:ting us or what

[[M] Apollo]

Buff Bagwell;2936015']Sigh...
Not only am I a fail of a townie, but I know why there were two deaths night two.

I had one bullet and I put it into Gobo, I had reasoning then, but it doesn't make sense to me now... I'm sorry man :(

So yeah, someone (probably mafia) killed Triple H, I shot Kurt Angle.

Why am I saying this? Because I messed up and the town needs to know, and by knowing, we can make the right choices.


One person died night zero, who knows why, probably mafia.
Two people died night one, due to an explosion. This was probably caused by the Jihadist, so where is the Mafia's kill?
Two people died night two, one was my bad shooting, and the other was probably the mafia.
No one died night three, where is the mafia's kill?

I can only think of two reasons why this would be so, either the mafia can only kill every other day, or we have a protecting role who has done a great job night one and three.


Hopefully this is useful somehow, I've probably condemned myself regardless, but we'll see...

Fluff Flagwell goes from silent son b*tch to role claimin mo fo, this angers New Jack! Y'all not helpin town by vote claimin! New Jack gonna staple Fluff Flagwell until the ref calls for the bell!!!

[[M] Apollo]

Don't y'all see the wood from the trees! There is no way in hell Fluff is the vigilante New Jack would stake his a$$ on it!

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Reasoning for shooting Kurt?
I was tired, I had a gun, I'm irresponsible and I didn't want to not get a shot in, why Psy, why?!

I'll read through Kurt's posts see if I can find that train of though...

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

New Jack would lose his a$$ with such a claim.
I probably haven't helped myself at all by telling you my role, but I hoped I'd be able to do some good by letting everyone know.

Anyway, to Kurt's posts :/

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

I don't buy a one shot Vig. I don't buy it.

[[M] Apollo]

If y'all is the vigilante then shoot New Jack otherwise I think y'all role claim is the biggest piece of bullsh*t New Jack seen since Mr Hollywood Hulk got his a$$ whiped by Mean Street Posse!

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

WOOOO A lot has happened in the last couple of hours. Time to try and make sense of all of it.

First, Buff that is quite a revelation there! That gets a double WOOOO from the Nature Boy. Since you've already laid your cards on the table, maybe you can tell us why you picked the Olympic hero. Even it he's dead now it will help us believe your claim and know you haven't gone over to the nWo. Because, for me, his last minute vote switch from me to Jericho pretty much cleared him as town once I found Jericho's true colors. WOOOO A mafia wouldn't care if me or Y2J got it because a dead town is a dead town. So I'm wondering why you chose your one bullet for him.

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

Dios Mio! Sorry hermanos, Max Mini's Inglés ain't so good and these threads put him right into the deep end. I don't really have time to do a super long post but just to list where I stand. The Ultimate Warrior is the one that I am the most suspicious of at this point, everything he's said has been pretty much indecipherable (don't ask me where I learned that word, esé) and he put a lot of heat on Hulk Hogan as his character and has done very little since. He keeps referencing hogan for added confusion, he voted for Flair at a point where it feels to me that Flair was one of the most helpful players we had (maybe not innocent, but still helpful), and I won't look into it too much but there was also his jokey team up call to the Hardy Boyz who is another character I don't like.

The Hardy Boyz seem to do a whole lot of nothing with a whole lot more nothing to back it up, and I know it's kinda stupid/hypocritical for me to be criticizing people for being minimalist with their play style but I still think it's worth it to keep an eye on this guy.

At various other points I've been suspicious of Hart and New Jack but I skimmed through there old posts and I think those might have been fleeting because I couldn't find anything solid to base that on.

##Vote: Ultimate Warrior

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Bret Hart;2935999']
The Rock;2934456']You know what Nature Boy, The Rock is gonna have to agree with you. We're gonna need the votes to take out the scums, and what better way for The Rock to show his support than by voting for that ass. Just look at it! Utterly disgusting!

##Vote: Rikishi's Ass


The Rock;2934618']It is time for The Rock to spice things up a little to all of you jabronies! The Rock has decided that a vote for the ass is not the best thing to do. Really now, that ass may be unsightly at worst, but all this talk about smelly business has The Rock thinking. The Rock is gonna make something clear, and The Rock will layeth the smackdown on the poor candy ass that belongs to the hater named Hulk Hogan. Let it be known that The Rock has spoken!

##Unvote: Rikishi's Ass
##Vote: Hulk Hogan

Good detective work there, jabroni. Day 1 votes.
Wait, so what's this? The Rock had a guilty result on Hogan yet voted for Rikishi first. Seems like an odd thing to do. If I were a cop and got a guilty result on Night 0 I would make it my priority to get to the bottom of that on Day 1!

So Rocky, who did you investigate the other 2 nights? The cat is out of the bag now so you may as well spill the beans. WOOOO But now I'm starting to suspect foul play here and that my vote switch to Jericho may have been a bigger mistake than I thought!

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Argh, I did it because I wanted to use my bullet and I probably shouldn't have.
Kurt had irked me for some reason, and I know really shouldn't have shot because of that, but I did. I failed hard, condemned myself and will probably be killed off now, but at least you'll know what happened.

Sorry guys...

[[M] Apollo]

Fluff is acting shiftier by the second & this angers New Jack further!!! Explain yourself fool or ITS BEAT DOWN TIME!

Nature Bhoy glad to see y'all on board

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

How can I explain myself further New Jack?

[[M] Adama]

Bagwell, you either have come up with the most brilliant lie and are assured a mafia victory, or you are the dumbest town in the world who now risks a string up. If you're a one-shot, you're useless now and are considered cleared. But that also makes you expendable to scum since your alignment is certainly good. If you're scum, you're all well and free until we figure out we've been had. Then you're dead.

[[M] Apollo]

Buff Bagwell;2936034']How can I explain myself further New Jack?

If you expect New Jack to believe you wasted a one shot kill so early on in the game on a random hunch, you either 1 think New Jack & the rest of town be stupid or 2 you is the biggest wack a$$ fool New Jack has ever seen!

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Well Buff, there's no reason to mope about it now. Instead, you should try to redeem yourself and help us catch our first scumbag! WOOOO

For example, what do you think about Max Mini's sudden appearance? Pretty random don't you agree? With all that's going on and so many irons in the fire, ol' Max decided to place his vote on the Warrior. I'm wonderin if that came as a result of a nice little discussion he had in his mafia forum. Max you need to post they would say. Ok I'll randomly vote for the Warrior. Doesn't sit right with me. And I'm the dirtiest player in the game! WOOOOO

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Hey Buff, what was the name of your role? You've given pretty much all of it away so might as well go the full monty! Wooooooooooooooooo

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Bret, I assure you it's the latter.
I've been playing badly and thought I should come clean. But I see your point, I haven't really thought this through enough, what I've done is bad for the town, as now I'm distracting the town from finding actual scum, and we'll waste a lynch on me. I really shouldn't have revealed anything at all...

Next game I'll stop and use my head, I hope.

[[M] Apollo]

Make with y'all Fluff or New Jack gonna staple your stupid a$$!

[[M] Apollo]

Y'all role title that is fool

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Hmmm, thank you Ric, well the strangest thing to me about Max is that he's made no comment of my stupid moves.
I can understand being away for ages, people have stuff that gets in the way, but why isn't max still contributing? And here's what Vince messaged me with...


You are the <font color="lime">Vigilante!</font>

- You have a gun. It has one bullet. Use it at night time.
- Every night, please inform us whether or not you intend to make a kill. Obviously if you do intend to kill someone, tell us who. If you take a long time to tell us we're just going to assume you do not want to make a kill and it's your own bloody fault for not telling us sooner! :colbert:
- Once you've made your one kill, that's it.
- You win with the town.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Brodudes I'm going to mess about on the xbox while I mull this over. Even though I sense a scummy tint to Mr Hart and Mr Flair, I still trust you two and New Jack to get to the bottom of this new information.

Inabit.

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack still don't believe y'all

[[M] Adama]

Buffy, sorry about the berations, but Ric's right. Now we do also need you to use some logic and help us find scum. I want you to bandwagon for The Rock, but you should use some of your non-tired logic to make your own choice.

Max Mini, I think we are all agreed Ultimate Warrior makes zero sense, but I'm not sure that's grounds to get him. You don't say much either. We should focus on more pressing suspects. Longshots get us nothing. Look what it got Bagwell.

[[M] Apollo]

Vince McMahon;2935249']YouTube - Chris Jericho Titantron (2000-2001) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVdVSkeg1EM)

The clock began to count down.

5...4...3...2...1...

And the lights went out.

When they came back on, there was Chris Jericho, in his usual pose, arms spread out wide.

This is because he had been crucified by the town.

Oops.

Chris Jericho was a Townie played by leader of mortals. Thanks for playing! :)

NIGHT ACTIONS GO.

This is why y'all! Vince uses bold & color on role names! New Jack hates being lied too

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

*sigh* Posting role pms is against the rules Buff the Stuff! I just wanted the name to see what you would say.

WOOOO but right now I have no reason to doubt your claim. Unfortunately you may be mod killed for that... but that's not for me to decide.

You're good in my book Buff, though you wasted your shot. Making up a phony role pm just seems a little much for a mafia man! Plus it wouldn't have been in your best interest to share anything with us in the first place.

[[M] Caprica]

New Jack;2936050']
Vince McMahon;2935249']YouTube - Chris Jericho Titantron (2000-2001) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVdVSkeg1EM)

The clock began to count down.

5...4...3...2...1...

And the lights went out.

When they came back on, there was Chris Jericho, in his usual pose, arms spread out wide.

This is because he had been crucified by the town.

Oops.

Chris Jericho was a Townie played by leader of mortals. Thanks for playing! :)

NIGHT ACTIONS GO.

This is why y'all! Vince uses bold & color on role names! New Jack hates being lied too

Are you being serious? Don't start this kind of thing.

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

I didn't really expect you to, there's nothing I can say that will bring me back to "sliding under the radar" or "hasn't said much, but seems clean" and I know this.

All I can really do now is discuss my thoughts with you all and hope that I has some helpful insight.
If I get killed or lynched what I say could be helpful for the town, probably won't be, but it could be!

If I flip scum what I say is very useful, when I flip town, I'm not sure how useful my posts will have been, but they're there.

[[M] Apollo]

Screw Fluff Flagwell! Y'all still voting for stinky ass Nature Bhoy?

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Ric Flair;2936051']*sigh* Posting role pms is against the rules Buff the Stuff! I just wanted the name to see what you would say.

WOOOO but right now I have no reason to doubt your claim. Unfortunately you may be mod killed for that... but that's not for me to decide.

You're good in my book Buff, though you wasted your shot. Making up a phony role pm just seems a little much for a mafia man! Plus it wouldn't have been in your best interest to share anything with us in the first place.

Ah.

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

Ric Flair;2936037']Well Buff, there's no reason to mope about it now. Instead, you should try to redeem yourself and help us catch our first scumbag! WOOOO

For example, what do you think about Max Mini's sudden appearance? Pretty random don't you agree? With all that's going on and so many irons in the fire, ol' Max decided to place his vote on the Warrior. I'm wonderin if that came as a result of a nice little discussion he had in his mafia forum. Max you need to post they would say. Ok I'll randomly vote for the Warrior. Doesn't sit right with me. And I'm the dirtiest player in the game! WOOOOO

To be fair, when you've been as inactive as I have then any time you post is going to be random. I gave the reasoning that I had for my vote, the player I've voted for isn't exactly worth quoting and he doesn't seem to have made a 'slip up', although even if he had I don't think any of us would/could have picked it up. I just feel that he's been suspicious.

I suppose I should comment on that cholo Buff as well, but I think Hart summed it up. He's either really stupid or really smart, at this point I can't tell which (so I guess that means he's smart :confused: ) but obviously he has some reason for outing himself, and I don't think that it's so that he can get himself lynched.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Debating about colors will get us no where, Jack. Vince himself said not to do it! I haven't really doubted you from the start but it seems fishy that you would nitpick something we were told not to do!

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack is done caring bout Fluff Flagwell, wack a$$ fool got my last nerve, just wanna catch some scum too many of town have died already!

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack's doubting of Fluff's role claim is more based on New Jack's earlier idea which linked wrestlin gimmicks to game roles. I nit picked because role claimin gets the Original Gangsta goat!!!

[[M] Adama]

Wrong color anyways. We all know they use dark green anyways. :|

Still nothing from Undertaker, Stone Cold, or Ultimate Warrior. Some more thoughts and perspectives would be nice. I think I'm out for the rest of day, I think. If you don't hear from me, just wait longer.

[[M] Caprica]

New Jack;2936063']New Jack's doubting of Fluff's role claim is more based on New Jack's earlier idea which linked wrestlin gimmicks to game roles. I nit picked because role claimin gets the Original Gangsta goat!!!

Assigning roles based on characters is doing it completely wrong. This game hasn't been set up THAT poorly.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Yeah we need to get down to business here. So far the people I trust are Jack, Show, and now Buff the Stuff. To a lesser extent I think the Hardyz are clean, though they don't do much to help with anything.

For the Rock, he needs to come justify his actions and clarify his 'investigations'. Why did you vote for Dat Ass before Hogan for instance? His shoulders are on the mat now so there's no reason not to come clean.

For Rikishi, he's been posting a lot more which is good all around. I will now read through his posts in particular and see if he still warrants my vote.

Undertaker has been missing all day, which angers Ric Flair because I really wanted to hear from him today! I still stand by my earlier comments.

And let's not forget Stone Cold! Another sort who has been flying under our noses. And they call me the dirtiest player!

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Sigh... I didn't know of this unwritten rule :/

I'm gonna go have lunch and stop digging my hole any deeper.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

A'yo bros checking in again. This game is raping me good so need some time to vent.

New Jack brotherman, linking roles with gimmicks is usually a no-no. That way people don't just get lynched for getting a "bad guy" character.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Big Show said what I wanted to. You go big man.

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack just throwing round ideas far from what alot y'all been doing! And in case y'all havin't noticed almost all this games characters have been either faces or heels in actual wrestling so telling good guy from bad guy isn't clear cut in this game

[[M] Aaron]

[M] The Big Show – I think most people have figured out the identity of The Big Show at this point and we all realize the player hasn't played a game of EoFF Mafia in some time. Still, this doesn't mean we should count him out because he could be every bit as shrewd and cunning as the most veteran among our ranks. His posts about other players in the game don't really stand out, and while he does have opinions, they're not especially strong.

[M] Buff Bagwell – At this stage in the game we still have a couple of players who appear to be inactive but have yet to be replaced. This should tell us they're doing something to stay in the game, and something we can't see. That should be incredibly suspicious.

[M] The Hardy Boyz – The Hardy Boyz are pretty mysterious to me because they tend to run a bit hot and cold in the game. They make very, very occasional but semi-strong points concerning other players and as such they blip everyone's radar but then get lost in all of the other noise. As has been pointed out by several other players, this is an excellent scum tactic that's repeated over and over again by many scumbags for one simple reason; it works.

[M] Max Mini – Very similar to the Buff Bagwell scenario, with the exception that this particular player seemed to have more activity in Day 0 or Day 1. Can't remember which. Of course things come up, sometimes people forget to post, but still. Someone who is not very active but hasn't been replaced.

[M] New Jack – New Jack is clearly a veteran player, but one who's been bitten more times than he cares to recall, I think. He relies primarily on instinct, and definitely lives in the moment. He is reactive, not proactive in his apparent search for scum. A good example of what one could call “hiding in plain sight.” (I think I've said that once before, or at least thought it.)

[M] Ric Flair – Flair definitely serves as the foil to New Jack. A veteran who relies almost exclusively on post analysis and comparison. While this strategy does provide probably the best method for routing our scum it is the most time-consuming. Flair lacks a sense of urgency that other players definitely make up for and from time to time seems to grasp for straws. The lack of urgency is notable – while we undoubtedly got lucky that we didn't lose another two players on our second night in a row, we're still not sitting so pretty.

[M] Rikishi's Ass – Rikishi is, along with The Hardy Boyz and Max Mini, among the most suspicious characters to me. He creates just enough of a blip for others to recognize him but the content of his posts seems to lack conviction for me. He's not a hot head like New Jack, he's not analytical like Flair. He responds when prodded. That's about as much as I can say for him.

[M] The Ultimate Warrior – I think this is some kind of crazy power role for one side or the other, or something like a survivor or a jester. The pure fact that his posts are so... dense (in the way of verbiage, I mean, not in the way of intellect) makes me want to believe there's some hidden content in them. That there's something we should all see that we're not quite getting.

Either that or he's just a goofball.

[M] The Undertaker – While this characters activity does seem to fluctuate, I really find no reason to mistrust him. Is that in itself suspicious? Definitely. Some players over the course of these games have proven themselves to be excellent at deflecting just enough attention that any thoughts given to them rarely go beyond a “nah, that guy is totally town.”

[M] The Rock – The Rock is a semi-veteran, I think. His arguments don't often stand on their own, they rely on support from others that post previous to him or just subsequent. Evenso he's given some interesting veiled bluffs I'd like to learn more about. One thing that is interesting is that most people choose not to engage in debates with him. I have no idea why that would be so. On my list of suspicions he's not at the top, but he's also not at the bottom.

[M] Bret Hart – Obviously a slow starter. I'm just wondering mostly why he has so much to say now and so little to say previous to now. He makes excellent points, but they seem like they're a day late and a dollar short. What gives with that and where were all of his observations in the first few days.

[M] Stone Cold – I have definitely been using too much instinct and not enough synthesis and analysis. Much like New Jack I've been waiting to see what people will say and neglecting what people have said. It's a delicate balance in the comparison between old and new posts. A lot of evidence can be found in between. In my votes that've resulted in lynchings, I was wrong. Damn.

[[M] Aaron]

Obviously a couple of important.... things... have happened since I was making that monstrosity of a post based on my notes. I'm not sure why the hell Bagwell would make a roleclaim like that. He claims to feel as if he's screwed up to the point that he's put the town in danger... why wouldn't he be making up for it by actively join in discussion, making assertions, and trying to root out the scum? Instead he lames himself by his admission, losing his status as a town asset, at least a person we could assume had some sort of interesting abilities, and throws a little pity party.

Like I said before, we got really lucky in that the scum didn't make a kill last night. Hopefully either a well played protective role or a real dumb mafia. Now isn't the time to bemoan ourselves repeatedly, now is the time to change things for the better in whatever way you can.

Max Mini is increasing on my scum-o-meter. Just shows up, makes a vote, goes away. No discussion, no viable reason for he vote, no train of thought for other players to follow. Seems like someone doesn't want us to follow his or her train of thought. Hmm.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

I'm going to validate your prodding claim Stone by pointing out that conviction by definition means unshakable faith without need for proof or evidence. Does my relentless pursuit of Bret Hart not speak of conviction? :tongue:

[[M] Colette]

Bret Hart;2935982']
The Hardy Boyz;2935944']WAIT

I do have something to say about my thoughts: This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecb5-uAvFhM) song reminds me of The Warrior.Absolutely useless. See, this is why we can't be friends.

You don't think we're sexy? :(

http://www.freewebs.com/kat-sama/69041.jpg

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack gonna get some shut eye, not too sure if I'm gonna be around rest of Day 4 either gonna do my best (tomorrows Saturday & as much as I love this game got to have a life too ;) )

New Jack's vote stays on Electric Rocky man, he's still took of my scum list! Original Gangsta hopes somebody lynches a god damn scum today!

[[M] Aaron]

I have looked at no less than 10 online definition sites and in my own personal dictionary and have not seen even one that comes close to what you think conviction means. There is nothing in the definition of conviction about unshakable faith or lack of evidence. In fact, in legal terminology, the term convicted is used when a person who is accused of a crime is found guilty of that crime by a judge, jury or court based on evidence presented.

In short, don't piss down my leg and call it rain.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Stone Cold;2936088']I have looked at no less than 10 online definition sites and in my own personal dictionary and have not seen even one that comes close to what you think conviction means. There is nothing in the definition of conviction about unshakable faith or lack of evidence. In fact, in legal terminology, the term convicted is used when a person who is accused of a crime is found guilty of that crime by a judge, jury or court based on evidence presented.

In short, don't piss down my leg and call it rain.

Google define says pissing down your leg is rain (http://www.google.com.au/search?rlz=1C1AVSW_enAU373AU373&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:+conviction) :tongue:

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Thanks for taking the time to post, Stone Cold. You're wrong about Buff though. He is active and causing quite a bit of stir. Do you care to comment on any of that? Do you believe his Vig roleclaim? Who's at the top of your list?

I've looked into Rikishi. He's been posting more in 'character' now which makes it a lot harder to analyze, and that could be on purpose. :/ But he does keep making slipups. Saying the Day 2 vote was between me, Jericho, and Hart when it was me, Jericho and The Rock instead. And then he says Bagwell had a chance to tie it but Buff was no where to be seen in those final hours!

His vote is on Bret now, saying that once he takes down the Hitman he'll go after me next. He seems so sure of the future, when anything can happen in this game. My vote stays.

[[M] Aaron]

Rikishi's Ass;2936090"]
Stone Cold;2936088']I have looked at no less than 10 online definition sites and in my own personal dictionary and have not seen even one that comes close to what you think conviction means. There is nothing in the definition of conviction about unshakable faith or lack of evidence. In fact, in legal terminology, the term convicted is used when a person who is accused of a crime is found guilty of that crime by a judge, jury or court based on evidence presented.

In short, don't piss down my leg and call it rain.

Google define says pissing down your leg is rain (http://www.google.com.au/search?rlz=1C1AVSW_enAU373AU373&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:+conviction) :tongue:
When it's a fight between Google and merriam-webster, and also the damnedable context of my post, who do you think I'm siding with? I'm gonna make you lick the Google piss off my boots.

Ric Flair;2936091']Thanks for taking the time to post, Stone Cold. You're wrong about Buff though. He is active and causing quite a bit of stir. Do you care to comment on any of that? Do you believe his Vig roleclaim? Who's at the top of your list?

I've looked into Rikishi. He's been posting more in 'character' now which makes it a lot harder to analyze, and that could be on purpose. :/ But he does keep making slipups. Saying the Day 2 vote was between me, Jericho, and Hart when it was me, Jericho and The Rock instead. And then he says Bagwell had a chance to tie it but Buff was no where to be seen in those final hours!

His vote is on Bret now, saying that once he takes down the Hitman he'll go after me next. He seems so sure of the future, when anything can happen in this game. My vote stays.

I actually made a second post after the first monster citing Bagwell's renewed presence. I either missed the posts while I was writing the monster one or they came as I was writing it. Probably the former.

I'm definitely gonna look back through our assy friend's posts and see if there's anything worth supporting.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Flair bro I think you missed this post


Buff Bagwell;2935247']Gah, by the time I post this, the day will probably be over...
And I can't do anything to change todays votes either, wondeful!

All I can say is that it looks like Jericho's going, so whatever he has to say now that he's on the chopping block could be useful, especially for discussing tomorrow.

So, speak up and share Jericho!

Which was pretty close to lynch time. Two minutes apparently. But I'll be damned if you call me a liar. I don't appreciate that. At all. :tongue: Also I corrected myself when I said he could bring the tie; he couldn't, there was one vote too many on whoever the smurf it was being lynched.

Also brodude, I didn't say the vote was between you, Jericho and Hart, I mentioned this.

Ric Flair;2935177']
Max has yet to say anything, and if my back wasn't against the wall I'd probably vote him here. As it stands I will probably have to vote Jericho or Brett to save myself. But who? I'll split this up into two posts to not hurt your eyes. Second post coming.

So man, if you're going to throw :bou::bou::bou::bou: on me, at least make it legit and accurate. I'm not posting in character either; 1) because I have not a smurfing clue who any of these brodudes are, and 2) I'm just havin' me some fun. LOOSEN UP GUYS. :D

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Stone Cold;2936092']
When it's a fight between Google and merriam-webster, and also the damnedable context of my post, who do you think I'm siding with? I'm gonna make you lick the Google piss off my boots.

I take it you didn't click the link I went to all the trouble of inserting then? It's from Princeton University. But nah, merriam-webster is definitely better :tongue:

Your context is fine brah, just arguing semantics. My definition is one that I'm definitely embodying. Although to be quite honest I think I might throw a tantrum and vote Ricky Flair soon. Gotta give in to your emotions brodudes!

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Did my ass swallow everyone? Where'd y'all go guys?

[[M] Aaron]

Stupid forum ate my awesome post. Now for a less than awesome post.

To answer Flair's question my top 3 are Max Mini for his inactivity and his lack of a train of thought, the Hardy Boyz for similar behavior and a tie for third between Rikishi's Ass because of his lack of substantive reasoning in his posts and Buff Bagwell for his previous absence, his role claim, and his apparent apathy in getting :bou::bou::bou::bou: done in-thread even though he believes he screwed the town up.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Alright, you've done your homework. I guess Buff did come in very late, and Bret was up there in votes earlier in the day. Those oversights of mine actually make me rethink you a bit. Hmmm

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

It's cool Flair bro, we all miss stuff. There's so much happening all over the place, and Bagwell just popped outta nowhere. Peace brotherman.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

WOOO, here's an unofficial vote count since things have slowed down and I'm going to sleep soon:

Ric Flair (1) - Hardy Boyz
The Rock (4) - New Jack, Big Show, Bret Hart, Himself
Rikishi (1) - Ric Flair
Bret Hart (1) - Rikishi
Warrior (2) - Max Mini, Himself

Not voting: Stone Cold, Undertaker, Warrior, The Rock, Buff Bagwell

I gotta say, Rock, if you are a cop or some other investigative role then you damn sure are not helping us. WOOOO You aren't telling us who you investigated and you haven't even voted! Also Warrior and Undertaker have yet to make an appearance today. Has Warrior finally run out of old WWF Superstars screenshots? We miss your promos, Warrior. Your silver tongue rivals that of the dirtiest player in the game.

[[M] Mom – Host]

Vince McMahon;2934042']Don't post your role PM.It's not unwritten! It says it right in the first post. Therefore-

Buff Bagwell, I have a little video for you: Click this bad boy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7zo1BvvA4)

Buff Bagwell was indeed a Vigilante played by Timekeeper. Thanks for playing :p

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

I'm also getting more and more weary about Bret Hart and Stone Cold. I've read over their posts and I have to say...they're pretty clean. Almost too clean! Maybe I'm overthinking myself as usual.

Stone Cold, you haven't voted today. You talk the talk, but you gotta walk the walk. I'm noticing that to be a trend with you. You say some good things but talk is cheap and it won't get the scum out.

I could quote some stuff and do some things but I'm pretty tired right now. So instead I'll post a picture of me in my championship belt.

http://www.gambling911.com/files/publisher/Ric-Flair.jpg

WOOOOOOOO

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Aww Buff. :( Vince that was a little harsh! You just wanted an excuse to post that video didn't you?

[[M] Mom – Host]

It's all fun and games.

Until I fire your ass next, Flair.

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

The WARRIOR has been forced to go to TNA Impact, Everyone Hogan. The place where all the evil ways of Hulkamania gather and stop WARRIOR for laying the smackdown on the mafia scum.

However, WARRIOR has loaded the spaceship with the rocket fuel, and skimmed over the claims made by ALL of Wrestlemania.

New Hogan needs a smackdown, but townie you ain't not.

...*throws New Jack out of the ring*

SCICCORS! 61!

Nature Hogan be baitin', and the WARRIOR will bring the power of the warriors of past to bring you DOWN, Hoak Flair! They are here, feeling me, feeding me, supplying me with POWER. WARRIOR shall meet the raging elephants of destrucity in the plains of evolution to bring the Wrestle back in WRESTLEMANIAAAAH!

##vote: Ric Flair Hogan

And now for a callout to the Big Loser, I mean Big Hogan. You pathetic man, will bring it now to the ring, if you can stand the fury of the Ultimate WARRIOR. The big statue downsides by small balls, WARRIOR will lay waste to the last remaining self-esteem you have. Your act is as pathetic as a male fashion designer.

BRING IT!

SKRONK!

Also, WARRIOR knows wrestlemania is saddened by the small post. But the WARRIOR will bring the most epic post tomorrow evening. So you order that pay-per-view fight where the Ultimaniacs will bring the PAAAAAAAIN!

[[M] Eizen]

Ric Flair;2936165']WOOO, here's an unofficial vote count since things have slowed down and I'm going to sleep soon:

Ric Flair (1) - Hardy Boyz
The Rock (4) - New Jack, Big Show, Bret Hart, Himself
Rikishi (1) - Ric Flair
Bret Hart (1) - Rikishi
Warrior (2) - Max Mini, Himself

Not voting: Stone Cold, Undertaker, Warrior, The Rock, Buff Bagwell

I gotta say, Rock, if you are a cop or some other investigative role then you damn sure are not helping us. WOOOO You aren't telling us who you investigated and you haven't even voted! Also Warrior and Undertaker have yet to make an appearance today. Has Warrior finally run out of old WWF Superstars screenshots? We miss your promos, Warrior. Your silver tongue rivals that of the dirtiest player in the game.

Is that what you jabronies want from The Rock? Alright, The Rock will comply and tell everyone who he looked at, mind that you need to be reminded that everyone are "guilty." Take this with a grain of salt and let it be known that The Rock has painted the following jabronies red... First it was Hogan. Next, it was the Undertaker after taking no action on Night 1. Last night, The Rock finally looked at himself. All red to him, but why would The Rock also be red? The Rock is probably a fraud of a cop, or a big phony making his bluff. Make your call, jabronies.

Now looking at today, The Rock has decided to hold onto his vote and will late fate take its part. He will soon make a giant revelation when his time has come, if you smell what The Rock is cookin'!

[[M] Aaron]

Vince McMahon;2936166']
Vince McMahon;2934042']Don't post your role PM.It's not unwritten! It says it right in the first post. Therefore-

Buff Bagwell, I have a little video for you: Click this bad boy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7zo1BvvA4)

Buff Bagwell was indeed a Vigilante played by Timekeeper. Thanks for playing :p
That video made my laugh so hard I cried.

Ric Flair;2936168']I'm also getting more and more weary about Bret Hart and Stone Cold. I've read over their posts and I have to say...they're pretty clean. Almost too clean! Maybe I'm overthinking myself as usual.

Stone Cold, you haven't voted today. You talk the talk, but you gotta walk the walk. I'm noticing that to be a trend with you. You say some good things but talk is cheap and it won't get the scum out.

I could quote some stuff and do some things but I'm pretty tired right now. So instead I'll post a picture of me in my championship belt.

http://www.gambling911.com/files/publisher/Ric-Flair.jpg

WOOOOOOOO
I like your feathers.

I would prefer to have discussion and actually think about what I'm doing, especially since I've made a couple of key mistakes in the gameplay. You're saying that waiting to vote is more suspicious than making a lot of votes? That's weird.

Max Mini is still my #1 for now for reasons previously stated but I do want him to have the opportunity to say something, defend himself, make a contribution before I vote.

And man, for every break we catch we have a piece of bad luck. No kill on the double night but a mod-kill today. Boo.

[[M] Caprica]

Vince McMahon;2936166']
Vince McMahon;2934042']Don't post your role PM.It's not unwritten! It says it right in the first post. Therefore-

Buff Bagwell, I have a little video for you: Click this bad boy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7zo1BvvA4)

Buff Bagwell was indeed a Vigilante played by Timekeeper. Thanks for playing :p
Aww, did you have to do that? I don't think we can afford it.

The Ultimate Warrior;2936176']asdfasdfsadfasdf

I wish someone would translate this stuff into English.

[[M] Mom – Host]

3 hours to go- Rocky's on 4, Flair's on 2. Lazy vote count ahoy.

[[M] Aaron]

Just in case I don't have another opportunity.
##vote: Max Mini

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Stone Cold;2936188']I would prefer to have discussion and actually think about what I'm doing, especially since I've made a couple of key mistakes in the gameplay. You're saying that waiting to vote is more suspicious than making a lot of votes? That's weird.

Max Mini is still my #1 for now for reasons previously stated but I do want him to have the opportunity to say something, defend himself, make a contribution before I vote.
You don't have to make a lot of votes, you just have to make 1. You seem to be just sitting back and waiting for things to happen instead of throwing your hat in the ring. This isn't the first time you've done this:


Stone Cold;2934541']No vote for me right now. Just going to enjoy a cold one and watch what everyone does. What?

In this game, brother, nothing happens unless you make it happen. WOOO. You've also been on the defensive a lot.


Stone Cold;2934649']I think you're just trying to pin somebody at this point, and testing to see who you can get to go along with a vote. First it was Big Show, now it's me. Scapegoat? Nah, probably not. I think you just want information, which is okay.

You do, however, make a good point about fringe players. People saying just enough to stick around. This applies to more than me, though. The only thing I've done differently is fall out of character (because I only know a few catchphrases) and not vote with every post. I tend to be a little more judicious with my vote. I don't change them often.

Stone Cold;2934931']What does Guerrero's death tell us? Not a lot because the character was mostly inactive. The only interesting part is that we voted for one another, he for me when it almost got my lynched and me for him because I really didn't find any behavior at that point suspicious. It didn't come close to getting him lynched and I don't think anyone saw him as a threat. It's an odd kill.
And here's probably one of the most telling things:


Stone Cold;2934931']I'm thinking there's probably at least one mafia that's hiding behind the inactive mask and (an)other(s) who are hiding in plain sight. Has Buff Bagwell made any posts at all? I'm not sure, but I think we've heard from everyone except Buff.
Note that Stone Cold doesn't fit either of those criteria. He is neither inactive or one of the most active. So don't suspect him!

The only thing that bugs me is that long post he made about everyone. Mafia have to be verrrrry careful about what they say about their buddies. Making a post about them is risky. But, now that I think about it, he did miss Buff's return in that post. It could have been that he typed it up during that time, or maybe he had it posted in his mafia forum for them all to approve and that took a lot of time. In fact I think that's the case!

This might be too late, but Austin, I should have never gone away from you.

##Unvote: Rikishi
##Vote: Stone Cold

[[M] Mom – Host]

"I have powers beyond any of you", said The Rock. "I laid the smackdown on Hulk Hogan, I beat Eddie Guerrero, I destroyed Triple H and I defeated Kurt Angle. Who's next?"

Another video! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWjDIZuI24I)



YOU'RE NEXT!

The Rock was a Mafia Traitor! played by Blues Agent. Thanks for reppin', Jeffy.

Night actions~

[[M] Mom – Host]

Rikishi clambered to the top of the cage. His ass, being attached to him, followed suit. He stood on top and announced "Come, everyone! Let us bring an end to all of this killing! We can live in peace and dance together, like me and my brothers in Too Cool do!" Rikishi's Ass secretly disagreed with Rikishi. Either way, it mattered not - it could not talk.

Then, a mysterious masked figure climbed up after Rikishi. And then this happened. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq_oBMvJlcQ) Rikishi was perfectly fine, but unfortunately his ass bore the worst of the blow, and died.

Rikishi's Ass was a Townie played by Jiro. Thanks for playing :)

Day 5 begins now! 9 remaining, 5 to lynch. It may be a bit less than 24 hours today as it is a Sunday and I have work but we'll see. There'll be 23 hours at least, I think.

[[M] Colette]

Bret Hart is also giving us the bad vibes. Even badder than Nature Boy's pits.

##Vote: Bret Hart

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

WOOOO That Rikishi kill doesn't really make sense to ol' Nache, but at least that's one suspect off of my list. That leaves Stone Cold, Hart, and Undertaker as my prime targets. But first I got something to say about that scum jabroni, The Rock.

Mafia Traitor is not a role we've had before, at least not in any game I remember. Here's what the mafiascum wiki says about it:


The Traitor is a role with a pro-Mafia alignment that is not actually in the Mafia family. The Traitor knows who is in the Mafia, but the Mafia do not know who the Traitor is. The Traitor uses through his or her vote to keep the Mafia from getting lynched and wins with the Mafia.

Traitors appears as 'innocent' to cops and sometimes have investigative abilities whose results will help the mafia learn who the town power roles are. But they cannot divulge that information privately until they are recruited by the Mafia, at which point they lose their investigative ability and become a mafia goon.

Most times, the Mafia has to give up their night-kill in order to recruit the Traitor. If the Mafia targets the Traitor for a night-kill, then they may either kill the Traitor or recruit the Traitor depending on the mod's predetermined choice.

In games where the Traitor cannot be recruited, the Traitor usually loses automatically if the "main" Mafia group is lynched or otherwise removed from the game.
We don't know what if any twists Psy/DK put on the role, but I'm going to guess that at the start of the game he knew who the scum were but they didn't know who he was. In night 2 he was possibly recruited. Aiming for what they thought was a cop, they got a new member instead! That would explain the lack of kill that night. It could also be that some doctor protected correctly. I don't really know!

I'm saying all this because I think there may be a clue in Rocky's posts. Maybe not so far as to who the other scum are, but chances are he didn't vote for any of them, for example.

[[M] Colette]

We've definitely had traitors before. I think in some games the mafia was made aware of the fact that there was a traitor out there and they could recruit him instead of killing whenever they pleased. Sometimes they just had the option of choosing any player they wanted and recruiting them. One game the traitor was promoted to Mafia Cop when recruited.

Whatever the case he was mafia aligned. If we look to his supposed investigation targets we may find some scum. He may have listed his buddies in an effort to distance himself from them.

[[M] Colette]

I meant "one of his buddies." I do not mean to imply that every person he claimed to investigate is guilty..

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

I guess I never played a game with a traitor. I remember Usurper but that's it.

He only claimed to have investigated Hogan, Undertaker, and himself. Undertaker voted for The Rock in Day 2 but was completely absent for Day 4. Purposefully laying low perhaps as to not have to explain himself?

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Also, Hardyz, why the sudden change of Hart? You voted me two days in a row without much explanation and now you have suddenly switched to the Hitman. I would have thought the case against me had gotten better and not worse after yesterday. I mean, I never actually voted for that Traitor Rock yet Bret did. Are you saying that Hitman was either unaware that Rocky was on his side or it was some kind of mafia ploy?

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Forgot to add: WOOOOOOOO gwoooooooodnight!

[[M] Mom – Host]

The Undertaker has had to drop out of the game and has been replaced.

[[M] Adama]

Morning, babes. I work soon, so see you in about nine hours. Don't think I'm going quiet about this and a big middle finger your way, Hardyz. Ta.

[[M] Caprica]

Ric Flair;2936379']We don't know what if any twists Psy/DK put on the role, but I'm going to guess that at the start of the game he knew who the scum were but they didn't know who he was. In night 2 he was possibly recruited. Aiming for what they thought was a cop, they got a new member instead! That would explain the lack of kill that night. It could also be that some doctor protected correctly. I don't really know!

I'm saying all this because I think there may be a clue in Rocky's posts. Maybe not so far as to who the other scum are, but chances are he didn't vote for any of them, for example.

The recruitment likely would have happened on Night 3, wouldn't it? That's the night where there was no kill. That means the Mafia would have known who he was on Day 4 (yesterday). There weren't exactly a ton of votes for The Rock yesterday, so it's unlikely any Mafia would have voted for him. I think we'll get as much from looking at who didn't vote for The Rock yesterday as looking at who he had voted for up until he died.

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack is back y'all! The Original Gangsta told y'all Electric Rocky man was scum & New Jack is glad to see town strike back against the mafia y'all! But now New Jack need a new target!

Having read back through this thread, again, New Jack has decided the next person (or people) most likely to be scum is the Hardly Boys. Spam like posts, seemingly baseless voting, not explaining y'alls vote & all of y'alls posts are shorter then a short bus! New Jack hopes this vote will at least get y'all talking

##Vote: The Hardy Boyz

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack would also like to say, the fact that Dead Taker man being replaced suggests to New Jack that his general lack of activity is less, & I stress less likely, to be a scum tactic

[[M] Colette]

Ric Flair;2936386']Also, Hardyz, why the sudden change of Hart? You voted me two days in a row without much explanation and now you have suddenly switched to the Hitman. I would have thought the case against me had gotten better and not worse after yesterday. I mean, I never actually voted for that Traitor Rock yet Bret did. Are you saying that Hitman was either unaware that Rocky was on his side or it was some kind of mafia ploy?

I just really don't like either of you.

[[M] Apollo]

The Hardy Boyz;2936443']
Ric Flair;2936386']Also, Hardyz, why the sudden change of Hart? You voted me two days in a row without much explanation and now you have suddenly switched to the Hitman. I would have thought the case against me had gotten better and not worse after yesterday. I mean, I never actually voted for that Traitor Rock yet Bret did. Are you saying that Hitman was either unaware that Rocky was on his side or it was some kind of mafia ploy?

I just really don't like either of you.

Care to elaborate on this for New Jack? If y'all reason is good enough the Original Gangsta might even change his vote? Y'all probably won't though if Hardly Boys are true to form in this game so far

[[M] Colette]

Not really!

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack would say Hardly Boys is almost tryin to appear completely useless to town! Vote Nature Bhoy or Change of Hart but unless y'all says why New Jack thinks its fishy

[[M] Colette]

Unfortunate, but I'll live. Or maybe not! Ha ha!

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack sees another role claim a comin

[[M] Colette]

Oh, by "maybe not" I meant like, "other people might vote me too." Not "hey guise I'm totally not a customized Hated Townie or anything like that lololol."


Just so no one else gets the wrong idea.

[[M] Apollo]

So is y'all sayin you is a Hated townie? Seems odd to New Jack y'all would be so specific

[[M] Colette]

:eep:

Okay lemme break it down. By "maybe not" I meant that it's possible that I'd die. Because if I get a majority lynch I'd most likely die, right? You seemed to think I was implying something about a role, and with my previous post I was saying that that is not the case. The reason why I said "customized Hated Townie" is because the traditional Hated Townie needs one less vote than usual to lynch, and if I had a role where just one vote could kill me it would be similar to Hated Townie.

But that is not my role. I was merely commenting on the fact that I had one single vote. I do not intend to roleclaim.

[[M] Apollo]

The Hardy Boyz;2936457']:eep:

Okay lemme break it down. By "maybe not" I meant that it's possible that I'd die. Because if I get a majority lynch I'd most likely die, right? You seemed to think I was implying something about a role, and with my previous post I was saying that that is not the case. The reason why I said "customized Hated Townie" is because the traditional Hated Townie needs one less vote than usual to lynch, and if I had a role where just one vote could kill me it would be similar to Hated Townie.

But that is not my role. I was merely commenting on the fact that I had one single vote. I do not intend to roleclaim.

See now Hardly Boys was it so hard to explain y'all self? The answer to New Jack's question is no ;)

[[M] Colette]

I explain when I want to :colbert:

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack was beginning to think you couldn't! Care to use y'all Hardly Boy powers of explanation to talk bout y'all vote for Bret The Change of Hart?

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

The Big Show;2936406']The recruitment likely would have happened on Night 3, wouldn't it? That's the night where there was no kill. That means the Mafia would have known who he was on Day 4 (yesterday). There weren't exactly a ton of votes for The Rock yesterday, so it's unlikely any Mafia would have voted for him. I think we'll get as much from looking at who didn't vote for The Rock yesterday as looking at who he had voted for up until he died.
Yeah I meant Night 3. I was tired.

Here's the people who voted for The Rock on Day 2 and Day 4. Correct me if I'm wrong, the lack of vote counts makes this harder.

Day 2: New Jack, Big Show, Undertaker

Day 4: New Jack, Big Show, Bret Hart, no-vote

So that's why I find it odd that the Hardyz would vote for Bret today. Bret voted for a known scum. It's true that Rocky may have never been recruited at all but we don't actually know what the Traitor was in this game. So voting for a someone who just helped the town find it's first foe doesn't make much sense. Especially since it comes with very little explanation.

[[M] Colette]

Because mafia totally never ever vote mafia or anything. Especially not in Mafia IX. :bounce:

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Hey, I'm not saying it hasn't happened or wouldn't happen. But it seems far fetched to go after one of those people the next day after it happened when it was the first scum killed and there weren't many votes cast to begin with (so Bret could have easily gone with myself, Rikishi, or another and possibly saved Rocky's butt).

[[M] Apollo]

Is it New Jack or has this turned into Hardly Boys vs Nature Bhoy winner gets lynched match? Why so sure your gonna get lynched Nature Bhoy?

[[M] Colette]

Ric Flair;2936468']Hey, I'm not saying it hasn't happened or wouldn't happen. But it seems far fetched to go after one of those people the next day after it happened when it was the first scum killed and there weren't many votes cast to begin with (so Bret could have easily gone with myself, Rikishi, or another and possibly saved Rocky's butt).

Assuming he was even recruited at all, of course :p

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack doesn't see the relevance of whether or not Electric Rocky man got recruited at all y'all! He hung from the gallows, we need to move along & find more scum because the Original Gangsta says ITS BEAT DOWN TIME

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

New Jack;2936469']Is it New Jack or has this turned into Hardly Boys vs Nature Bhoy winner gets lynched match? Why so sure your gonna get lynched Nature Bhoy?
I'm not so sure I am. But if someone goes after me for two days in a row, I'm curious as to why they suddenly changed their mind and voted for someone who helped get out a mafia!

But if I'm to take on the Hardy Boyz in a handicap match, wooo, bring it on brother.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

But even though the Hardlyz are increasing on my radar, Stone Cold still has my watchful eye.


Stone Cold;2936188']I would prefer to have discussion and actually think about what I'm doing, especially since I've made a couple of key mistakes in the gameplay. You're saying that waiting to vote is more suspicious than making a lot of votes? That's weird.

Max Mini is still my #1 for now for reasons previously stated but I do want him to have the opportunity to say something, defend himself, make a contribution before I vote.
What key mistakes are you talking about, Austin? I may already know, but I want to hear it from your mouth. WOOOOOO!

Also waiting for Max the mini to defend himself is pretty convienent since he's been pretty absent the whole time. You think he was gonna make a special appearance just to answer your questions.

Until you answer these questions, Austin, you're getting my vote once again! WOOOOO

##Vote: Stone Cold

[[M] Apollo]

In case Nature Bhoy hadn't noticed Hardly Boys don't like explaining much, if y'all need a partner for the match New Jack is in the mood to put a beat down on some scum!

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

You think the greatest wrestling champion that ever lived can't take on a couple of puny Hardly Boyz? I'll take them on and you, in a Triple Threat match!

[[M] Apollo]

The Original Gangsta would love a shot at makin the Nature Bhoy bleed & maybe it'll happen at Wrestlemania ;)

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

This is the challenge of the Ultimate WARRIOR to MinMax the coward. Will this pathetic wrestler accept the match?

Warrior vs. MinMax promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaeXpky-r7Q)

[[M] Mom – Host]

this is the best post

this is the best thing

I

what

how is this

oh my god

game over everyone, everyone who is not the Ultimate Warrior loses. The end.

[[M] Caprica]

New Jack;2936471']New Jack doesn't see the relevance of whether or not Electric Rocky man got recruited at all y'all! He hung from the gallows, we need to move along & find more scum because the Original Gangsta says ITS BEAT DOWN TIME

It's definitely relevant. If he got recruited, the Mafia would have known who he was before he died. If not, they would have thought he was just another townie.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Not just a townie, but a cop too! For they would have little reason to doubt his roleclaim. Which is why I think he was targeted and recruited in Night 3.

But New Jack does have a point, the focus is to find a scum today.

Now the Warrior makes hilarious posts, but they don't seem to say much. He's definitely having fun with his gimmick but it's causing us to turn a blind eye to him. At the start it would be a risky thing to hide behind because craziness gets you votes in the first days, but now it's causing us to disregard him. I try to go through his posts but it's hard to interpret them! He did say he believed The Rock's roleclaim though. Anyone think there is anything to that?

In his video he calls out Max Mini. I do agree Max needs to step into the ring with the rest of us, so I hope he accepts the Warrior's challenge.

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack agrees with Nature Bhoy that y'all been disregarding Warrior for being a crazy mo fo. Its Day 5 now so ignorin the crazy guy is a redundant tactic!

New Jack finds it strange that Warrior, who despite his hilarious promos, is a relatively in active playa. When one inactive playa throws a vote on another inactive New Jack smell sometin fishy y'all

[[M] Mom – Host]

Lazy Vote Count because all of you are lazy too apparently:

Bret Hart (2) Hardyz, Self
Stone Cold (2) Ric Flair, Self
Hardyz (1) New Jack
Undertaker (1) Self
Max Mini (1) Self
Big Show (1) Self

Day ending in less than an hour.

[[M] Mom – Host]

Right then, bollocks to the lot of you if that's your attitude :colbert:

At this point on, all votes are reset, and somebody can only be lynched with 3 votes. Self votes do not count. You can also vote "no lynch". The day will not end until this is settled you no good lazy wrestlers.

If you don't vote, I will find some way to screw you the next day. :D

[[M] Colette]

Ric Flair;2936474']I'm not so sure I am. But if someone goes after me for two days in a row, I'm curious as to why they suddenly changed their mind and voted for someone who helped get out a mafia!

Just because our vote changed doesn't mean that our minds did! We still want you lynched.

*jumps off the rope or something*

[[M] Colette]

In light of recent events, ##Vote: Bret Hart.

[[M] Adama]

Oh, uh, crap. Um, continuing to stick it to the Hardyz?

##VOTE: The Hardy Boyz

I don't appreciate strange votes by suspicious people who have been flying low on the radar. And I cannot believe the day passed so quickly.

[[M] Apollo]

##Vote: Hardy Boyz as earlier

[[M] Apollo]

Come on y'all town is lazy tonite!!!

[[M] Adama]

Rikishi's Ass's death is a dangerous one. He was after me, which paints me in a bad light. I argue he painted himself in a bad light by agreeing with The Rock too much. I can't help it I am trying to tie scum together. Using the one known scumbag for a base, I looked to who clicked with Rocky and not in thin ways. Unwittingly the guy threw his lot in with a mafia and I apologize for not being a cop that could have realized he was clean. I'll makeout with Vince better next time. That's all I got and I can't say RA's death did me any favors.

Thanks, Hardyz, for helping us out The Rock. Oh wait, you didn't. "Vibes" is a horrible argument for stringing up a guy on Day 5. I expected better.

[[M] Colette]

Oh man I am so sorry I disappointed you. I really wanted to impress you. I really did :(

[[M] Aaron]

Ric Flair;2936475']But even though the Hardlyz are increasing on my radar, Stone Cold still has my watchful eye.


Stone Cold;2936188']I would prefer to have discussion and actually think about what I'm doing, especially since I've made a couple of key mistakes in the gameplay. You're saying that waiting to vote is more suspicious than making a lot of votes? That's weird.

Max Mini is still my #1 for now for reasons previously stated but I do want him to have the opportunity to say something, defend himself, make a contribution before I vote.
What key mistakes are you talking about, Austin? I may already know, but I want to hear it from your mouth. WOOOOOO!

Also waiting for Max the mini to defend himself is pretty convienent since he's been pretty absent the whole time. You think he was gonna make a special appearance just to answer your questions.

Until you answer these questions, Austin, you're getting my vote once again! WOOOOO

##Vote: Stone Cold
My mistakes have been not using that blend of analysis and instinct I was talking about earlier and not focusing enough on what the less vocal players are saying, as opposed to you and New Jack. I just kind of wrote off Rock's roleclaim as someone trying to prevent a lynch because they wanted to keep playing, not because they may have had legitimate investigative abilities for the other team.

Today I've been at work all day, so I'm not lazy and I haven't been specifically waiting on Mini. I just find it to be very odd that Undertaker went inactive and has been replaced. Max Mini, with similar posting and activity levels (up to now) has yet to be replaced by the mods. Which leads me to believe that Mini is not inactive. That he has some kind of night time ability. If it's a pro-town ability he's doing a really bad job in trying to influence the lynch vote. That's what a good cop or doctor would do instead of roleclaim - they find better ways to influence the daytime events. So I still think he's up to something at night.

Even so The Hardy Boyz are really not giving us a whole lot of effort either. Seems more like they're just showing up and making stuff up as they go along. As Flair pointed out, targeting Hart on the random based on initial feelings from the very start of the game is pretty doofy behavior. Again, if they know something we don't know they're doing a really bad job influencing the vote.

That being said, Flair is kinda doing that with me. All you can really say is that I'm suspicious because I'm not doing anything suspicious? That's pretty broken logic. Why else do you keep coming back to me?

As it stands I'm going to ##vote: The Hardy Boyz. Active players who don't make contributions in voting or in discussion are pretty fishy.

[[M] Colette]

Well, we're out then! Guys, check our votes.

And our book. Or something. I dunno.

*jumps off the top rope again* *or something*

*flip*

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Yeah it is broken logic. The truth is I really have no idea what's going on in this game. The mafia are doing a really good job, or a really bad job and I just overthink everything too much.

It looks like the Hardyz are out so hopefully they are scum or it at least will point us in the right direction. This day went by kinda fast, and we had no posts from Max or The Undertaker and only one post from Warrior and Stone Cold. :/

[[M] Apollo]

New Jack has a feelin Stone Cold may have just lied the vote on Hardly Boys for the sake of "being involved" of hidin in plain sight as y'all says it

[[M] Aaron]

Lied on the vote? What do you mean? That I lied about why I'm voting or that I lay the vote on them?

I think this is a hard time to play mafia because everyone is baking and wrapping presents. Well at least I know Stone Cold is baking and wrapping presents.

At any rate I could go through all of the remaining players again, but my practice of voting for inactive players hasn't worked. That being said, active players who aren't really giving anyone food for thought aren't worth much to us either way. I think a lot of people believe our numbers are the greatest strength in the town, and I disagree. Our greatest strength is our ability to openly discuss things and use our brains to think about people. When you're not doing that, you're not doing it right.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

What are you baking?

[[M] Colette]

You do realize that you just lynched us, right?

I think you're playing dumb. OH NO, MAFIA WOULD NEVER CAST THE LYNCHING VOTE.

Scum. Scummy scum scum.

*does flips off of your head or something*

[[M] Colette]

Also, we baked pears. Read the book or something.

*flips*

[[M] Colette]

*rolls*

[[M] Aaron]

Blueberry-Sour Cream dessert. It definitely needs a better name.

I mean, uh. A can of whoop ass is what I'm baking.

Hardy Boyz, you've still got time to talk so why not contribute something useful? Other than trying to cast aspersions on me because I was the last vote.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Why do you keep talking about a book? WOOOOO wrestlers can't read! You must not be a wrestler, you must be mafia!!

[[M] Colette]

We did all we done.

[[M] Apollo]

Stone Cold;2936578']Lied on the vote? What do you mean? That I lied about why I'm voting or that I lay the vote on them?

I think this is a hard time to play mafia because everyone is baking and wrapping presents. Well at least I know Stone Cold is baking and wrapping presents.

At any rate I could go through all of the remaining players again, but my practice of voting for inactive players hasn't worked. That being said, active players who aren't really giving anyone food for thought aren't worth much to us either way. I think a lot of people believe our numbers are the greatest strength in the town, and I disagree. Our greatest strength is our ability to openly discuss things and use our brains to think about people. When you're not doing that, you're not doing it right.

New Jack mean't layed the vote y'all lol :P New Jack still thinks your vote is way to convenient even though New Jack thinks Hardly Boys are scum

[[M] Aaron]

As a matter of fact, you know what.

##unvote: The Hardy Boyz

Now if you've got something to say, say it and we'll see where my vote lands.

[[M] Colette]

Oh,

*fliprolls*

[[M] Colette]

I'd love that Cold Stoner, but I'm not sure that's how it works.

*flails*

[[M] Adama]

All I know is that if I had to choose between useful people in this game, both me and Flair come before you, Hardyz. It's not that I want you gone, but rather that you're a more appealing lynchee than myself. I will read your book.

Today wasn't a good day. I don't think we got the full range of cast speaking, and I know I totally missed out. Somewhat of a paradox, I think there's merit in both what Ric says about Cold and what Cold says about Mini. I'm not happy about today.

[[M] Colette]

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
*jumps on head*

[[M] Colette]

Bret Hart;2936590']both me and Flair come before you, Hardyz.

Our two top suspects! Interesting!

*rolls from head*

[[M] Apollo]

Bret Hart;2936590']I had to choose between useful people in this game, both me and Flair come before you, Hardyz.

Why suddenly pals with Nature Bhoy Mr Change Of Hart? New Jack doesn't like this statement at all y'all. New Jack chased Electric Rocky Man for 2 game days so don't forget Hart, the Original Gangsta helped that lynch not Nature Bhoy

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Vince McMahon;2936546']Right then, bollocks to the lot of you if that's your attitude :colbert:

At this point on, all votes are reset, and somebody can only be lynched with 3 votes. Self votes do not count. You can also vote "no lynch". The day will not end until this is settled you no good lazy wrestlers.

If you don't vote, I will find some way to screw you the next day. :D
It seems like the Hardyz were lynched with Stone Cold's vote, but them ain't my rules. Also I did not see that part about votes being reset so vote or face Vince's wrath!

##Vote: Stone Cold

[[M] Apollo]

##unvote: Hardy Boyz

##Vote: Bret Hart

[[M] Colette]

Suddenly? No, they've defended each other before now. They've just been subtle about it.

[[M] Colette]

Sorry, Jack, I'm pretty sure that the day is over. McMahoon just hasn't come home to all his bbz yet.

*flips off ropes and then down yo fo-head*

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Yeah I'm not sure why Bret likes me so much. I haven't really been that much help! I've just talked a lot and put out a few crackpot theories. Unless he's just buttering me up for some reason, hoping I never turn on him.

Well guess what...RING THE BELL RING THE BELL!!

##Unvote: Stone Cold
##Vote: Bret Hart

[[M] Apollo]

I don't trust y'all Hardly Boys but Change Of Hart has been flip floppin way too much this game for New Jacks liking something stinks

[[M] Colette]

Of course you don't trust us; we flipped off yo fo-head.

*flings Ric by the fo-head*

*with our legs or something*

*rollflails*

[[M] Colette]

*flips*

[[M] Apollo]

Somebody call Vinny Mac! New Jack wants to know who's hangin tonight?

[[M] Colette]

*backflip*

[[M] Colette]

*backflips on everybody's neck*

[[M] Adama]

Oh whoa, magic.

New Jack;2936593']
Bret Hart;2936590']I had to choose between useful people in this game, both me and Flair come before you, Hardyz.

Why suddenly pals with Nature Bhoy Mr Change Of Hart? New Jack doesn't like this statement at all y'all. New Jack chased Electric Rocky Man for 2 game days so don't forget Hart, the Original Gangsta helped that lynch not Nature BhoyYeah, but you weren't in line for a lynching, New Jack. Glad to see you were after The Rock. I did my own detective work on him too, so you like that about yourself, I'd like some courtesy as well. I don't play this game to lose to mafia.

I cannot recall flip-flopping anywhere. Get quotes and votes. Otherwise, you're blowing smoke like scum and should re-think your conclusions.

[[M] Colette]

Yeah, you gotta have quotes in your posts to make them look long otherwise you're scum, MR. HARDY and MR. HARDY. :nonono:

*fipsel*

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Well that's not really true, but it does take a bit more than 'I dun like him' to convince us, Hardy!

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

For example, New Jack doesn't quote a lot or post lenghty posts, but he prods people, responds to people and keeps discussion alive. And that's why I haven't suspected him!

[[M] Caprica]

Weekends are not great times for me to be playing Mafia!

##Vote: [M] The Hardy Boyz

I do want to get a vote in, though. I'd rather vote for someone who didn't vote for The Rock yesterday.

[[M] Colette]

We're a cop. We haven't exactly been subtle about it. Could be paranoid, given that everyone but the Warrior came up guilty (that link we posted was our result, so he's most likely a neutral party), but uh, Hogan came up Miller, The Rock came up Traitor, and Flair and Hart are just mega suspicious to us. We'll find out soon enough anyway.

So to recap, Hogan, Ric Flair, The Rock, The Warrior, Bret Hart, in that order. The Warrior is..."silly"...I guess, everyone else is guilty. There now, I've given you plenty to discuss.

*flips and :bou::bou::bou::bou:*

[[M] Apollo]

Bret Hart;2936605']Oh whoa, magic.

New Jack;2936593']
Bret Hart;2936590']I had to choose between useful people in this game, both me and Flair come before you, Hardyz.

Why suddenly pals with Nature Bhoy Mr Change Of Hart? New Jack doesn't like this statement at all y'all. New Jack chased Electric Rocky Man for 2 game days so don't forget Hart, the Original Gangsta helped that lynch not Nature BhoyYeah, but you weren't in line for a lynching, New Jack. Glad to see you were after The Rock. I did my own detective work on him too, so you like that about yourself, I'd like some courtesy as well. I don't play this game to lose to mafia.

I cannot recall flip-flopping anywhere. Get quotes and votes. Otherwise, you're blowing smoke like scum and should re-think your conclusions.

Tryin to cast doubt on the Original Gangsta? The last act of a desperate man! All anyone has to do is read through this thread & y'all been kissin Nature Bhoy's a$$ for a reason New Jack cannot find in this thread. You flippin from mafia hunter then floppin to a$$ kisser. New Jack don't get it

[[M] Adama]

I don't know who is going to hang, but here's a mini-farewell in case I'm out.

Ric Flair - I always gave this guy the thumbs up. A little nutty, a little crazy, but good. Voting to pressure people is a great explanation, but when Ric did it with The Rock or Jericho on the line, I wondered. When the Hardyz kept up their crusade, I wondered. I still do, but I also like his playing. Did he turn on me as mafia or concerned townie?

New Jack - I like him. He questions everyone and everything. You vote strangely or out of line, and he's after you. He's quick to vote too. There isn't long debate in his head about what's to do, which is what scum do when deciding victims both lynch and night. I never doubted for a minute he was town and am/was glad to provide him backup. I know why he's turned coat.

Hardyz - smurfing Hardyz. Annoying as crap and that's it. That's all I have against them. Without offering any info, it's hard to pull up why they would deserve a lynch, and that's what they're aiming for: no reason, no lynch. But that's also no reason to keep them around because they don't share opinions, deduct with the team or nothing.

Big Show - Another radar ducker. But he makes good points and has never given indications he has a hidden agenda he's working towards. Is he suspicious? Everyone is. But at least he sits there and analyzes things and shares his thoughts.

Stone Cold - I'm still with Flair on this guy. Outside of the radar entirely, and then all of his long hard thinking sessions get him bandwagon votes or votes for inactives. A very tame player, considering we're closing Day 5.

And I check what's been posted since I started writing, and the Hardyz are cops. I guess I should have expected that. If I had more time today, I probably would have hunted down Mini or Cold. Interesting Flair came up scum.

[[M] Adama]

Guess I'm going try to join the new trend with that news and it's lights out for me by now for votes?

##UNVOTE: Hardy Boyz

Paranoid Cop should have checked himself by now.

[[M] Colette]

That's a waste of an investigation. Unless I'm actually paranoid. Then it doesn't really matter what I do with it now, does it? Don't tell me how to be a cop :colbert:

[[M] Colette]

we're* we* us*

Also all of those other times.

*flips onto stuff and then back off with a rolly flip flop floop*

[[M] Apollo]

Bret Hart;2936613']Interesting Flair came up scum.

Sorry church?

[[M] Colette]

New Jack;2936618']
Bret Hart;2936613']Interesting Flair came up scum.

Sorry church?

But not that Hart came up scum! Because he expected to come up scum! Because he IS scum!

*flip*

[[M] Adama]

Don't forget Warrior.

[[M] Colette]

Warrior came up "silly," you silly.

[[M] Colette]

*twisty flip*