Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Ouch!]

Oh Shit, I Totally Forgot That Happens! | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/articles/oh-shit-i-totally-forgot-that-happens,32673/)

[Mahad]

and on a final final note, I've got a quick question for any one who has finished the 5th book: at the end, when Dany is found in the grasslands by that other band, I can't remember if the khal in charge of that band was original riding with khal Drogo's band when he died. Can any one clarify? just a piece I've been curious about

Yup. Jhaqo.


Was he one of Drogo's blood riders? That's what I'm most curious about, I can't remember that bit. Thanks for clarifying that much, though.

[The Man]

Oh trout, I Totally Forgot That Happens! | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/articles/oh-trout-i-totally-forgot-that-happens,32673/)Beat you to it :monster:


Oh trout, I Totally Forgot That Happens! | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://onion.com/12q1uYS)

[Lonely Paper Star]

and on a final final note, I've got a quick question for any one who has finished the 5th book: at the end, when Dany is found in the grasslands by that other band, I can't remember if the khal in charge of that band was original riding with khal Drogo's band when he died. Can any one clarify? just a piece I've been curious about

Yup. Jhaqo.


Was he one of Drogo's blood riders? That's what I'm most curious about, I can't remember that bit. Thanks for clarifying that much, though.

That 'yup' was meant to affirm that he was. XD Sorry if I was unclear.

[The Man]

Why Game of Thrones’ Red Wedding packs such an emotional impact | TV| For Our Consideration | The A.V. Club (http://www.avclub.com/articles/why-game-of-thrones-red-wedding-packs-such-an-emot,98566/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default)

[Freya]

The moment Jorah's Heart broke :(

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[The Man]

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[Freya]

Oh man I love the internet. Funny pictures galore!


I find the most interesting thing lately about the dany story is the Jorah stuff

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[Cuchulainn]

I still think the Red Wedding would have been better if they'd kept the Greatjon there fighting everyone and anyone to in a vain attempt save Robb.

[Bunny]

Although it probably would not have worked, I would have liked to see more time dedicated to the Red Wedding, similar to how the Battle of Blackwater took up the entire episode. I think it would have had enough meat in it to take up at least half of an episode, if not the entire thing. It seems like they went for sudden, in-your-face brutality rather than, at least what I saw, as underhanded scheming.

Still good, still enjoyable. One of the better scenes of the series, but I think it could have been handled better and more true to the story.

[Shlup]

Some insight as to why the Red Wedding is so heinous:

We saw the Starks take bread and salt offered by Lord Frey--sharing food and drink with guests put them under Guest Right, a protection which is taken very seriously. In fact, Sam and Gilly are on their way to the Night Fort, which is the site of a famous incident that took place hundreds of years ago in relation to Guest Right. A king was visiting, and a cook murdered and fed the king his son. The cook then turned into a giant rat, cursed to eat its own young for all of eternity. It wasn't that the cook murdered the prince and fed him to his father that cursed him--it was breaking Guest Right.

So Walder Frey cursed and dishonored his house irreparably when he killed off the Starks. You can chide Robb for entering the house of a guy who hates him, but he really should've been able to feel secure under Guest Right.



I think he is. I don't trust Ouch! either. Maybe if Frekana verified it.She's not even read the books, so good luck with that one.

I promise I'm being truthful and will point out to you when it happens. In the meantime, enjoy the show!

You're doing that obnoxious book reader thing again. And I'm not sure I agree with you anyway.

[Psychotic]

What do you mean "again"? And for that matter, what do you mean "Obnoxious", the man specifically asked if the Starks have a happy ending. "Wait and see" is hardly hehehe wait for Episode 9 ;) ;) ;). I can understand your disagreement though. I kind of have my own ideas about where this is going to go, and if I'm right it'll be nice.

Obvs MASSIVE book spoilers but mostly theory: Cat will learn the truth of Jon Snow being not Ned's after all and feel very bad about how awful she was, and redeem herself by giving him the kiss and making sure he knows who his parents really were. And she'll see a couple of her kids again too I guess.

[Shlup]

The "again" wasn't meant to refer to you specifically, just that is happens in this thread and is annoying.

I feel like you're implying Cat's story isn't over, which is a big spoiler. I don't think many non-readers will pick up on it, but I still want to flick you. Del doesn't know what he wants; don't answer him!

[Pike]

Ned Stark is resurrected as a zombie and terrorizes what's left of a post-apocalyptic and dystopian Westeros, it's actually pretty great

[Cuchulainn]

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Wendel Manderly. This actor apparently has a scene that was cut but he is still there at the wedding and was killed.

[Pike]

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[Madame Adequate]

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Wendel Manderly. This actor apparently has a scene that was cut but he is still there at the wedding and was killed.

Books: Isn't that sort of vital for explaining the hilarious trolling Wyman Manderly does later on? Should have had a couple of lines just introducing him at least.

[Cuchulainn]

I thought it was important too. Very important.

[Pike]

I just found out that the guy who plays Hodor plays a ton of World of Warcraft.

Do you think I can wrangle him into playing with me if I resub?

[Slothy]

I just found out that the guy who plays Hodor plays a ton of World of Warcraft.

Do you think I can wrangle him into playing with me if I resub?

Hodor? :gator:

[The Man]

Seen in a Barnes & Noble:

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[Lonely Paper Star]

LOL.

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And here's a Facebook recap of The Rains of Castamere (http://www.happyplace.com/24297/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-9).

Unrelated, but I went to Goodwill (a secondhand shop/donation center) today and saw a hardcover copy of A Dance With Dragons for 3.99. What.

[Bunny]

I just found out that the guy who plays Hodor plays a ton of World of Warcraft.

Do you think I can wrangle him into playing with me if I resub?

He better have "Hodor" macroed to every single one of his abilities. Otherwise it is unacceptable.

[The Man]

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[Roogle]

Cat will learn the truth of Jon Snow being not Ned's after all and feel very bad about how awful she was, and redeem herself by giving him the kiss and making sure he knows who his parents really were. And she'll see a couple of her kids again too I guess.

Spoilers for the A Song of Ice and Fire book series in this post.

Lady Stoneheart is leading the Brotherhood Without Banners. She is nowhere near the wall. Catelyn cared little for Jon in life, why would she care for him in death? It was Ned who knew the secret of Jon's parentage. Catelyn would not harbor such a grudge with Jon if she knew the secret of Jon's parentage and that Ned had not dishonored her as she imagined. So, this theory would require that Lady Stoneheart somehow comes upon the truth of Jon Snow's parentage, makes a trek to the wall, and then arrives at the exact moment to give him the kiss of life.

[Ouch!]

Cat will learn the truth of Jon Snow being not Ned's after all and feel very bad about how awful she was, and redeem herself by giving him the kiss and making sure he knows who his parents really were. And she'll see a couple of her kids again too I guess.

Spoilers for the A Song of Ice and Fire book series in this post.

Lady Stoneheart is leading the Brotherhood Without Banners. She is nowhere near the wall. Catelyn cared little for Jon in life, why would she care for him in death? It was Ned who knew the secret of Jon's parentage. Catelyn would not harbor such a grudge with Jon if she knew the secret of Jon's parentage and that Ned had not dishonored her as she imagined. So, this theory would require that Lady Stoneheart somehow comes upon the truth of Jon Snow's parentage, makes a trek to the wall, and then arrives at the exact moment to give him the kiss of life.

Which therefore implies that she has already met Howland Reed (the only living person who can confirm Jon's parentage) and after we last saw her with Brienne she immediately headed north and will arrive just in time at the beginning of book six. All of which, of course, are very unlikely.

Either Howland Reed will appear at some point (it has been confirmed that he will eventually show up) and cross paths with Jon (or someone on their way to Jon) to reveal that Jon's mother is Lyanna Stark and his father is Rhaegar Targaryen, or Bran is going to find out using his newfound ability to warg into the past through the Weirwoods and inform Jon in some manner.

Also, just because Melisandre hasn't yet given the kiss of life does not mean that she is incapable of doing so.

[The Man]

It's so heavily foreshadowed that Jon will warg into Ghost to save his consciousness intact and then be resurrected by Melisandre that I'm not really sure why his fate is even in doubt. The prologue of the book is pretty clearly there to establish that skinchangers can save their consciousness inside wild animals, and it's already established that red priest(esse)s are able to resurrect people from the dead (even if Melisandre hasn't been depicted doing this yet). Melisandre's presence there is no coincidence.

[Psychotic]

Cat will learn the truth of Jon Snow being not Ned's after all and feel very bad about how awful she was, and redeem herself by giving him the kiss and making sure he knows who his parents really were. And she'll see a couple of her kids again too I guess.

Spoilers for the A Song of Ice and Fire book series in this post.

Lady Stoneheart is leading the Brotherhood Without Banners. She is nowhere near the wall. Catelyn cared little for Jon in life, why would she care for him in death? It was Ned who knew the secret of Jon's parentage. Catelyn would not harbor such a grudge with Jon if she knew the secret of Jon's parentage and that Ned had not dishonored her as she imagined. So, this theory would require that Lady Stoneheart somehow comes upon the truth of Jon Snow's parentage, makes a trek to the wall, and then arrives at the exact moment to give him the kiss of life.I know she's not there now. I think it's pretty obvious, as Aaron says, that Jon warged into Ghost - but he can't remain a dire wolf forever. I think Catelyn as a character feels so much remorse over how horrible she was to Jon now that she believes all of her other children are gone. You have to remember that two of her children are indeed in the North. Rickon is the most likely to raise his head due to what Wyman Manderly is up to - so that is why I think she will head north, and on the way is of course Greywater Watch so I think she will encounter the truth from Howland Reed. Someone has to tell Jon, after all! It could be Howland himself, I guess, but he has no connection with Jon and that would lack some impact, I think. I just cannot believe Catelyn and Jon Snow are finished yet and to me that seems like the ultimate redemption.

(Book spoils)

[The Man]

I do have to admit that the idea of Stoneheart doing something to repay her debt to Jon is a compelling idea, and I wouldn't even be surprised if Martin is planning something along those lines eventually, but I just don't think she'll resurrect him, unless he gets killed again. It's too likely that Melisandre will save him.

[Cuchulainn]

Cat will learn the truth of Jon Snow being not Ned's after all and feel very bad about how awful she was, and redeem herself by giving him the kiss and making sure he knows who his parents really were. And she'll see a couple of her kids again too I guess.

Spoilers for the A Song of Ice and Fire book series in this post.

Lady Stoneheart is leading the Brotherhood Without Banners. She is nowhere near the wall. Catelyn cared little for Jon in life, why would she care for him in death? It was Ned who knew the secret of Jon's parentage. Catelyn would not harbor such a grudge with Jon if she knew the secret of Jon's parentage and that Ned had not dishonored her as she imagined. So, this theory would require that Lady Stoneheart somehow comes upon the truth of Jon Snow's parentage, makes a trek to the wall, and then arrives at the exact moment to give him the kiss of life.I know she's not there now. I think it's pretty obvious, as Aaron says, that Jon warged into Ghost - but he can't remain a dire wolf forever. I think Catelyn as a character feels so much remorse over how horrible she was to Jon now that she believes all of her other children are gone. You have to remember that two of her children are indeed in the North. Rickon is the most likely to raise his head due to what Wyman Manderly is up to - so that is why I think she will head north, and on the way is of course Greywater Watch so I think she will encounter the truth from Howland Reed. Someone has to tell Jon, after all! It could be Howland himself, I guess, but he has no connection with Jon and that would lack some impact, I think. I just cannot believe Catelyn and Jon Snow are finished yet and to me that seems like the ultimate redemption.

(Book spoils)

They're hundreds and hundreds of miles away from eachother with a war going on between them. I highly doubt Stoneheart will the one saving Jon. (Spook Boiler)

[Croyles]

It's so heavily foreshadowed that Jon will warg into Ghost to save his consciousness intact and then be resurrected by Melisandre that I'm not really sure why his fate is even in doubt. The prologue of the book is pretty clearly there to establish that skinchangers can save their consciousness inside wild animals, and it's already established that red priest(esse)s are able to resurrect people from the dead (even if Melisandre hasn't been depicted doing this yet). Melisandre's presence there is no coincidence.

Book 5 spoilers
Actually it's not all that cut and dry. Personally I think the foreshadowing is that this heavy injury (only two of the stabbings could be considered fatal) is the catalyst for Jon to learn his Warg abilities properly, just as Bran needed his fall and Arya needed the blindness. I think he will then quickly use this to somehow get his physical body repaired (NOT Melisandre hocus pocus) after quite a while, and be able to return. I think there are several possibilities, but like you I think it is unlikely that this is the complete end of Jon, just out of a story perspective and not because I don't want him to die.

[Ouch!]

Jon is quickly emerging as a major character for Azor Ahai Reborn. Jon needs to die so that he can be reborn amid smoke and salt.

[The Man]

I'm with Zach on this. Jon's death is probably for real, but won't stick.



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[Ultima Shadow]

Not going to read any spoilers. Just jumping in here, late to the party as usual, to say that I just started watching (finished the 4th episode like 20 mins ago) and I can already say that this is probably the most awesome tv-series ever, oh my gash I can't stop watching. It's 3AM over here, BUT I JUST CAN'T STOP!

[Agent Proto]

Welcome to the Throners club. :monster:

[Pike]

Not going to read any spoilers. Just jumping in here, late to the party as usual, to say that I just started watching (finished the 4th episode like 20 mins ago) and I can already say that this is probably the most awesome tv-series ever, oh my gash I can't stop watching. It's 3AM over here, BUT I JUST CAN'T STOP!

Oh ho ho, your body is NOT READY.

And yes, do continue to avoid spoilers as best you can. (I'd recommend staying out of the thread for a while.)

[Ultima Shadow]

Oh ho ho, your body is NOT READY.

And yes, do continue to avoid spoilers as best you can. (I'd recommend staying out of the thread for a while.)
I shall take that advice, and return when I have catched up completely.

Also; Arya is smurfing awesome.

[The Man]

Yes. Yes she is.

Also, another Barnes & Noble sighting:

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[NorthernChaosGod]

Fuck you, book 5 spoilers. >:[

[Jinx]

Can I ask all of the Arya lovers why they love her so much? I'm not even trolling or being snarky, I am just legitimately asking a question as to why she gets so much love.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

Can I ask all of the Arya lovers why they love her so much? I'm not even trolling or being snarky, I am just legitimately asking a question as to why she gets so much love.

I love the fact that she is such a smart ass and somehow gets away with it. Somebody definitely should have killed her by now with that mouth. But somehow she survived.
Also her story in the books gets to be pretty bad ass. I can't wait for more.

[The Man]

Arya doesn't take shit from anyone in a world that doesn't value females at all. That alone is reason to value her character highly.

[Jinx]

Well, I won't argue with that. Personally (and this is just my view on it) I don't really see Arya as female. I see her as gender-fluid.

[Agent Proto]

George R. R. Martin Watches "Red Wedding" Reaction Videos on Conan (http://teamcoco.com/video/conan-highlight-red-wedding-reactions)

[McLovin']

George R. R. Martin Watches "Red Wedding" Reaction Videos on Conan (http://teamcoco.com/video/conan-highlight-red-wedding-reactions)

Game of Thrones: S03E09 George RR Martin Reaction - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l4DmoIQOuWQ)

[Freya]

I love that shit eating grin he has after that. He's like MUHAHAH look at what I have done!

I felt the same way when Khinsider was getting death threats over my Kh3 prank for april fools. So I really can't hate the dude too much. The reactions are the best part!

[Bunny]

Can I ask all of the Arya lovers why they love her so much? I'm not even trolling or being snarky, I am just legitimately asking a question as to why she gets so much love.

From the very beginning, she showed that she wasn't merely just another girl, despite society and her own parents telling and treating her as such. She demanded to be the way she wanted to be and did not give a shit what anyone else thought or how difficult it would be. She has, time after time, shown that she is capable of handling situations that someone of her age should not and, specifically with her revenge plot, has shown that she understands much more than she lets on, at least in terms of letting people live longer than she would otherwise like simply because it isn't the time for their death.

[Shlup]

That's not a spoiler; now you're over-correcting. Don't worry, even though this is difficult for you I will always be here to help you, Buns.

I agree though.

[Bunny]

Neither was the last one but it was apparently problematic.

[Shlup]

I know that you think that. It's okay, I don't mind helping you.

[Pike]

Can I ask all of the Arya lovers why they love her so much? I'm not even trolling or being snarky, I am just legitimately asking a question as to why she gets so much love.

Because she (and Brienne) are just about the only females in the show that "I-am-basically-the-opposite-of-feminine"-Pike can identify with.

(Editing because someone is going to misinterpret this as me being a misogynist or something and I feel like I need to clarify what I mean. Growing up I desperately wanted to be a boy and be able to do boy things; I remember throwing fits because my parents wouldn't let me wear boy clothes to certain places. Arya is a lot like I was in that regard. People tell her "You can't do that because you're a girl and that's a guy thing", and she gives them the evil eye and proves that she can.)

[Cuchulainn]

Well, I won't argue with that. Personally (and this is just my view on it) I don't really see Arya as female. I see her as gender-fluid.

I don't understand why it isn't ok for a female to act in a non-stereotypical way and be held up as a model. Joan d'Arc, for example, if far from your stereotypical 'female' but is an idol to many. Does the female need to a type-set 'female' (dresses, rosey cheeks, mothering etc) in order to be an ideal model to admire as a fermale character? Are you saying Arya's stereotypical quasi-masculine traits rule her out of that? Making her basically a man with flaps?

Can effeminate men therefore be ruled out as male role models because they're not your typical 'strong silent, hunter gatherer'?

Not having a go in any way shape or form i'm just curious as to why her personality males women question if she's a great female model. Yiu are not the first female to raise this by the way.

[Jinx]

Well, I do like the answers I'm receiving, and I can understand why people like her personality. But she does some pretty smurfed up stuff, so I'm not sure if she should be a role model, per say. xD


EDIT: This post has nothing to do with gender issues at all.

[Cuchulainn]

Ok, I read that wrong, I've seen many bring gender into though.

[Jinx]

I just meant that my latest post in this thread wasn't saying that someone should like/dislike her for her gender identity or whatever. When I say that she does messed up stuff, I just wanted to clarify that that has nothing to do with the questionable stuff she does.

[Denmark]

Can effeminate men therefore be ruled out as male role models because they're not your typical 'strong silent, hunter gatherer'?

No. Loras.

[Jinx]

I just realized I never did get to see Robb's wang. :(

[Freya]

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[Mahad]

Obvs MASSIVE book spoilers but mostly theory: Cat will learn the truth of Jon Snow being not Ned's after all and feel very bad about how awful she was, and redeem herself by giving him the kiss and making sure he knows who his parents really were. And she'll see a couple of her kids again too I guess.

of course, seeing how everyone's dying left and right in this book, that conversation might take place in the after life. Or as zombies. Zombies does sound more likely, given what's going on in the world.

As for the Arya fans comment, I think she's one of the, I don't know, more original characters? She's a rebel at heart, so she's fun to follow. she's also not afraid to her hands dirty or delve into dark places, so I'm really interested to see what her character will ultimately develop into
The gender stereotype stuff, eh, you can discuss that forever in another thread

[Shaibana]

Can I ask all of the Arya lovers why they love her so much? I'm not even trolling or being snarky, I am just legitimately asking a question as to why she gets so much love.

Because she (and Brienne) are just about the only females in the show that "I-am-basically-the-opposite-of-feminine"-Pike can identify with.

(Editing because someone is going to misinterpret this as me being a misogynist or something and I feel like I need to clarify what I mean. Growing up I desperately wanted to be a boy and be able to do boy things; I remember throwing fits because my parents wouldn't let me wear boy clothes to certain places. Arya is a lot like I was in that regard. People tell her "You can't do that because you're a girl and that's a guy thing", and she gives them the evil eye and proves that she can.)

i love how she is not a girly girl. she really wants to stand up in a 'man dominated world'

[Ultima Shadow]

Aaaaaand, I couldn't resist coming here again just to say that I finished the first season within a span of 27 hours. I want to say something more, but there's so much to say that I don't even know what to say. But... holy crap!


Trying to not read too much here to avoid all possible spoilers, but: Arya got the most backbone of all the kids. Even without the facts that she's a girl in a man-dominated world and a child, she feels like one of the strongest characters. The fact that she is a little girl in a man-dominated world only makes her awesomness go up an additional level. :monster:

[Madame Adequate]

I love Arya because out of every single person we have ever seen interact with Tywin Lannister she is the only one who has unsettled him.

A 9 year old girl was able to make Tywin Lannister feel some discomfort. (She was also just about the only competent person he's ever met and I bet to hell he wishes he could have adopted that cupbearer.)

[Shlup]

The only thing that bothers me about Arya is that people's #1 reason for liking her is her lack of femininity. Not just that she unapologetically is who she is, but that she actively rejects her society's idea of how a woman should be, as if the rejection of all things "girl" is a good thing in itself.

I like Arya because she is who she is, whatever that means, and whatever other people think. She's determined and focused. She's not rejecting anything--when people call her a boy she corrects them that she's definitely a girl--it's just that who she is isn't tied to what society thinks that means.

It's semantics, but the subtlety in the way people express themselves on the subject reveals a lot.

[Miriel]

The only thing that bothers me about Arya is that people's #1 reason for liking her is her lack of femininity. Not just that she unapologetically is who she is, but that she actively rejects her society's idea of how a woman should be, as if the rejection of all things "girl" is a good thing in itself.

I like Arya because she is who she is, whatever that means, and whatever other people think. She's determined and focused. She's not rejecting anything--when people call her a boy she corrects them that she's definitely a girl--it's just that who she is isn't tied to what society thinks that means.

It's semantics, but the subtlety in the way people express themselves on the subject reveals a lot.

You know I totes agree with you.

I like Arya because she is a precocious little thing. I like her because she's brave. I like that she is separated from everyone she loves and you know, you know she is absolutely terrified and heartbroken but she keeps her chin up and keeps forging ahead. I think her threatening violence upon others is her way of coping, or else she would just shatter apart. Because she's a freakin' child having to go through all this and the fact that she is so young and so vulnerable but she's still held herself together is amazing. I like that she is fierce and defiant. I also love her big doe eyes. I think the actress who plays her does a damn fine job.

She also is handy with a weapons and will probably be amazing one day if she can keep alive that long. I've had a fascination with knives and bow&arrows since I was a kid. I was gifted my first serious professional grade archery equipment when I was in middle school. So I feel fond of Arya cause I can see a little bit of myself in her too. I never considered interest in those things to be non-girly though. And I hope Arya doesn't make any more disparaging comments about girls in the future because it makes me cringe when female characters on GoT say those kinds of things and when viewers echo it as well.

[Pike]

I knew people were going to take what I said the wrong way :p I fully blame myself. I need to learn how to WRITE GOODER.

[Shlup]

I wasn't referring to you specifically; I get where you're coming from and can see how you're very much like Arya in that regard. It's not that you're rejecting femininity because it's girlishness that you dislike--it's that people are pushing it on you and you're just trying to be you. It's not that being feminine is a bad thing, it's that society is trying to tell you that's how you have to be and it's just not going to happen.

[Pike]

I wasn't referring to you specifically; I get where you're coming from and can see how you're very much like Arya in that regard. It's not that you're rejecting femininity because it's girlishness that you dislike--it's that people are pushing it on you and you're just trying to be you. It's not that being feminine is a bad thing, it's that society is trying to tell you that's how you have to be and it's just not going to happen.

Yep, and I feel like Arya is the same thing.

Brienne had a similar undercurrent as well, especially when her honor was about to be "besmirched" - aside from the usual horror of it all, there was the horror on top of the whole thing being a raw reminder that she isn't viewed as any sort of equal, which is what she has been pushing against forever. It really added an extra layer of terribleness to the whole thing.

Jaime pretty much instantly redeemed himself forever for stepping in there.

[Ultima Shadow]

It's not that you're rejecting femininity because it's girlishness that you dislike--it's that people are pushing it on you and you're just trying to be you. It's not that being feminine is a bad thing, it's that society is trying to tell you that's how you have to be and it's just not going to happen.Yep, that's it. Couldn't find the words for it in my "pre-first season all the feels mood", but she is like... the one kid who really won't let others decide her future for her. A good example is when Eddard Stark tells her about how she will have a castle, marry a prince and all that and she simply says: "No. That's not me."

She could have been a boy, and I'd still have considered her the coolest kid for just being the way she is. Her being a girl does, however, give her a slightly different position to the world around her. And thus, she has even more to struggle against. So I think her being a girl adds to her awesomness, since she has more to fight against. It has nothing to do with girlishness/being a tomboy or whatever.

...well, my take on it after first season anyway. :p



That aside, I also love Snow. And Tyrion/"the imp". And really... most of the cast, except Joffrey whom I now hate with a passion... for certain reasons. =(

[Shaibana]

It's not that you're rejecting femininity because it's girlishness that you dislike--it's that people are pushing it on you and you're just trying to be you. It's not that being feminine is a bad thing, it's that society is trying to tell you that's how you have to be and it's just not going to happen.Yep, that's it. Couldn't find the words for it in my "pre-first season all the feels mood", but she is like... the one kid who really won't let others decide her future for her. A good example is when Eddard Stark tells her about how she will have a castle, marry a prince and all that and she simply says: "No. That's not me."

She could have been a boy, and I'd still have considered her the coolest kid for just being the way she is. Her being a girl does, however, give her a slightly different position to the world around her. And thus, she has even more to struggle against. So I think her being a girl adds to her awesomness, since she has more to fight against. It has nothing to do with girlishness/being a tomboy or whatever.

...well, my take on it after first season anyway. :p



That aside, I also love Snow. And Tyrion/"the imp". And really... most of the cast, except Joffrey whom I now hate with a passion... for certain reasons. =(

everybody hates Joffrey :P and from what i see little Tyrion is one of the most loved characters ^^ cant blame them :P i love how sarcastic he always is

[Loony BoB]

I like Arya because she's young and yet has more intellect than most people well over twice if not three times her age. She's both booksmart and streetsmart, she's cunning, she's feisty, she's got a great wicked side to her (I enjoy her dark/dry humour) and still is capable of having fun at the right times. I also love her devotion to her father and how much she wants to strike vengeance over it without jumping straight into "THIS MEANS WAR!!!" or whatever. She's doing what she can with the wits she clearly has about her. I like her style, I guess. It's interesting.

[Psychotic]

In terms of gender issues, nobody, and I mean nobody, hates women more than Cersei does, and I don't think the show does a good job of showing that. Though I guess most of it comes across when she becomes a POV character in AFFC, so :monster:

I think Arya is overrated but I don't mind her. I'm not really a fan of her actress, she always seems a little wooden or forced.

[Quindiana Jones]

I love Arya because out of every single person we have ever seen interact with Tywin Lannister she is the only one who has unsettled him.

A 9 year old girl was able to make Tywin Lannister feel some discomfort. (She was also just about the only competent person he's ever met and I bet to hell he wishes he could have adopted that cupbearer.)

This is the reason that should be first on everybody's list. She knocked Tywin sodding Lannister off his step. That is literally as badass as it is possible to be in this book.

And then we talk about how it's awesome how she is one of the few characters who isn't full of shit, and consistently refuses to exist as anything other than herself.

[Pike]

I love Arya because out of every single person we have ever seen interact with Tywin Lannister she is the only one who has unsettled him.

A 9 year old girl was able to make Tywin Lannister feel some discomfort. (She was also just about the only competent person he's ever met and I bet to hell he wishes he could have adopted that cupbearer.)

This is the reason that should be first on everybody's list. She knocked Tywin sodding Lannister off his step. That is literally as badass as it is possible to be in this book.

Yep this is my #1 reason as well.

[Night Fury]

I just love Arya because I connect with her a lot. Not because she's refusing to be girly or a girl, but because she stands on her own two feet and refuses to be anybody but herself. Best Stark imo.

Also, that last episode. Wtf.

[Pike]

I also love her hair. I want to chop my hair super short like that. Girls with short hair almost always end up being my favorites.

[Night Fury]

During this latest episode I clutched my womb in pain. Poor Talisa man. Poor Talisa.

[blackmage_nuke]

I like Arya because she has the best adventures.

Also it's like people from Braavos are drawn to her.

[Miriel]

I knew people were going to take what I said the wrong way :p I fully blame myself. I need to learn how to WRITE GOODER.

I seriously wasn't trying to refer to you in my post. I saw your edit and understood what it was that you meant. It's just a common thing that exists in society, and exists in GoT as well. I've already ranted about it before though in this thread. I was talking more in the sense that Arya herself sees herself as not being into stupid girly things like other girls. I wish more than she would embrace the fact that she is a girl, she likes what she likes, does what she does, and that doesn't make her any less of a female.


In terms of gender issues, nobody, and I mean nobody, hates women more than Cersei does, and I don't think the show does a good job of showing that. Though I guess most of it comes across when she becomes a POV character in AFFC, so :monster:

I don't know how it is in the books, but it's pretty clear on the show that Cersei does not really care for other women, but more than that, it seems like she just doesn't like PEOPLE in general. She has a lot of hate in her.

[Pike]

I knew people were going to take what I said the wrong way :p I fully blame myself. I need to learn how to WRITE GOODER.

I seriously wasn't trying to refer to you in my post. I saw your edit and understood what it was that you meant. It's just a common thing that exists in society, and exists in GoT as well. I've already ranted about it before though in this thread. I was talking more in the sense that Arya herself sees herself as not being into stupid girly things like other girls. I wish more than she would embrace the fact that she is a girl, she likes what she likes, does what she does, and that doesn't make her any less of a female.

Okay, I apologize for any assumptions I made. :) I'm just used to having to walk on eggshells when I talk about this kind of thing; I feel like it's easy to accidentally give the wrong impression.

[Madame Adequate]

I don't know how it is in the books, but it's pretty clear on the show that Cersei does not really care for other women, but more than that, it seems like she just doesn't like PEOPLE in general. She has a lot of hate in her.

Yeah I agree totally, maybe it's more emphasized as only disliking women in the books, but in the show she's certainly no fan of them. People who like women don't sit in a roomful of them talking about the rapes they're likely to soon endure.

It's interesting to compare her to other characters who don't like the role they've been assigned by their gender - Arya and Brienne, especially. Brienne's got the muscle and skill to break anyone who gives her shit, and Arya's just a little badass all around, but Cersei's tried to play the Game how it's meant to be played, in court and everything, but has never really been able to break free of her father's influence. She thinks that's because she's a woman although I'm more inclined to believe Tywin's claim that it's just because she's not as clever as she thinks she is - and it's not like he treats Tyrion, or indeed anyone, else nicely, except a bit of softness towards Arya and maybe thinking Kevan's somewhat competent.

[Miriel]

This is why I'm so hopeful for the character of Margaery. She is pretty much the only female in the entire show to seek out and encourage female camaraderie and not in a master/servent sort of way like it is with Dany. And to be honest, she seems like she would be the most competent ruler. Kind but cunning. And of course I love her Grandma.

I wonder if she will end up dead too.

[Cuchulainn]

I love Arya because out of every single person we have ever seen interact with Tywin Lannister she is the only one who has unsettled him.

A 9 year old girl was able to make Tywin Lannister feel some discomfort. (She was also just about the only competent person he's ever met and I bet to hell he wishes he could have adopted that cupbearer.)

This is the reason that should be first on everybody's list. She knocked Tywin sodding Lannister off his step. That is literally as badass as it is possible to be in this book.

And then we talk about how it's awesome how she is one of the few characters who isn't full of trout, and consistently refuses to exist as anything other than herself.

If you've read the books it's not a great reason..as none of that happened.

In the books I understand that Cersei HATES the male-dominated world and hates all women who conform to it. She also hates anyone who challenges her family so she pretty much hates everyone but her kids & Jaime

[Shaibana]

This is why I'm so hopeful for the character of Margaery. She is pretty much the only female in the entire show to seek out and encourage female camaraderie and not in a master/servent sort of way like it is with Dany. And to be honest, she seems like she would be the most competent ruler. Kind but cunning. And of course I love her Grandma.

I wonder if she will end up dead too.

Knowing the reputation of Game Of Thrones it would suprise me :l

[Ouch!]

This is why I'm so hopeful for the character of Margaery. She is pretty much the only female in the entire show to seek out and encourage female camaraderie and not in a master/servent sort of way like it is with Dany. And to be honest, she seems like she would be the most competent ruler. Kind but cunning. And of course I love her Grandma.

I wonder if she will end up dead too.
Margaery gets a much larger and more active role in the TV series than she does in the books. It's one of the things that the television show arguably does better, especially because her expanded presence doesn't actually deviate from her role in the books.

[Shlup]

Since I've added spoiler tags to a couple of posts lately, I'd like to remind people that posting about a character's future at all is a spoiler. Posting a character death is obviously a spoiler, but so is posting that they live.




I love Arya because out of every single person we have ever seen interact with Tywin Lannister she is the only one who has unsettled him.

A 9 year old girl was able to make Tywin Lannister feel some discomfort. (She was also just about the only competent person he's ever met and I bet to hell he wishes he could have adopted that cupbearer.)

This is the reason that should be first on everybody's list. She knocked Tywin sodding Lannister off his step. That is literally as badass as it is possible to be in this book.

Yep this is my #1 reason as well.
It was a great addition to the show, but none of that happened in the books. Though there are other reasons I like Arya in the books, including that, by this point in the book-story, she's killed a couple more people and been a pretty solid badass about it.

[Psychotic]

Margaery gets a much larger and more active role in the TV series than she does in the books. It's one of the things that the television show arguably does better, especially because her expanded presence doesn't actually deviate from her role in the books.I think Margaery would make and/or have made (happy, Shlup? Neutral tenses! :p) a great POV character, as we only ever really see her through the eyes of others and usually she's off having fun somewhere.

[Ouch!]

Margaery gets a much larger and more active role in the TV series than she does in the books. It's one of the things that the television show arguably does better, especially because her expanded presence doesn't actually deviate from her role in the books.I think Margaery would make and/or have made (happy, Shlup? Neutral tenses! :p) a great POV character, as we only ever really see her through the eyes of others and usually she's off having fun somewhere.
I'm in the camp that the Tyrells have some stuff going on and there's a reason that the books haven't used any of them as POV characters as watching them scheme would reveal a twist and ruin a potential surprise. For example, I am not convinced that Loras Tyrell was actually harmed in battle as Cersei was told. I expect that, like the Queen of Thorn's involvement in Joffrey's death, the Tyrells are going to make a run at completely taking over King's Landing (not that they're not already on the way to doing so).

[Madame Adequate]

http://i.imgur.com/8YHcZ45.jpg

[Jinx]

http://i.imgur.com/8YHcZ45.jpg
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o621/whenindc/a-happy-Lucille-Bluth-shaking-her-h.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/whenindc/media/a-happy-Lucille-Bluth-shaking-her-h.gif.html)

[Madame Adequate]

That was the EXACT GIF I hoped for. :love:

[Shaibana]

gene parmasan? :o
who what where??
tell me

[The Man]

@Shaibana: It's a mashup with dialogue from the show Arrested Development.

Anyway, if posting Arrested Westeros images is now a thing:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lncip9jmKE1qk2t5co1_r2_500.jpg

ETA:

George R.R. Martin "Game Of Thrones" Spoilers (http://teamcoco.com/video/george-rr-martin-game-of-thrones-spoilers)

Note: Not actually spoilers. Hodor!

[Shaibana]

HAH!! funny ´spoilers´ :P
Looking forward to Tony Stark xD

[Aulayna]

Ah just remembered the finale is tonight!

[Formalhaut]

Ah just remembered the finale is tonight!

If you are in the US. I have to wait till Monday!

[Freya]

I know i'm excited and sad at the same time. It means I have to wait a whole nother year :(

[Pike]

Ah just remembered the finale is tonight!

If you are in the US. I have to wait till Monday!

Aul isn't in the US either :p

I have to wait until Monday too. Always do because of my work schedule.

[Formalhaut]

Ah just remembered the finale is tonight!

If you are in the US. I have to wait till Monday!

Aul isn't in the US either :p

I have to wait until Monday too. Always do because of my work schedule.

I am aware of the fact that she lives in Ireland. I'm slow, but I'm not that slow! :p

[Pike]

Oh. Well obviously I was just testing you. Yeah. :shifty:

Also:

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/6/7/12/enhanced-buzz-31773-1370623882-5.jpg

[Formalhaut]

Cover your throat Sansa!!!!!

[Freya]

ahh haha. I was watching the conan interviews. And GRRM was saying it was hard when actresses at the premiere party were like "don't kill us!" and he was like ":shifty: you're already dead"

[The Man]

xbEhByk4Icg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/7288_663880680304087_169559933_n.jpg

Tyrion would be a pretty good character to build a deck around, probably :monster:

[Freya]

DICK IN A BOX! Poor theon.

I love roose though he's so badass.

And jon! He was all shot and stuff!

and then the whole

http://i.imgur.com/9x8zU6c.jpg

the angel devil thing


Also Tywin making the king go to bed. That was funny :3

I wish there was more of a OMG moment at the end though.

[McLovin']

Agree about the end but the build up around the end of each storyline was epic. MOTHA smurfING STANNIS!

Joffrey/Tywin/Tirion scene was the greatest exchange in the entire season imo.

[Del Murder]

The end lacked that punch but I really liked the flow of the stories in the north all crossing each other.

[Miriel]

This show has crossed into a sort of hate-watching territory for me.

The end scene was just awful and so problematic. I know GoT has always had issues with race, but jesus christ. It was so fucking gross.

The scene with Rob's body was unwatchable. Like, it made me loathe the show with that one scene. I know it happens in the book, so don't come at me with that.

Aside from that, I liked that so many of the other storylines have moved forward. I always like any scenes with Tyrion, and Varys and I kinda love that Jon Snow got shot up with arrows by his ex-gf. Stannis is still a douche nugget. Please please stay alive Gendry!

[Marshall Banana]

Overall, I think it's the worst finale yet. Totally killed the momentum built up from the previous episode.

The crowd-surfing scene with Daenarys and the slaves is so...cheesy. And awkward. I don't know. I just didn't like it.

[blackmage_nuke]

More adorable reading by Davos :D
I was half expecting someone during the crowd surfing scene to stab Denerys but nothing seems to ever go wrong for her, except for that one time with her husband and child
Arya is coming along nicely, hopefully she doesnt die before getting at least one name off her list.
Im glad the Theon torture porn was earlier in the episode so it didnt kill my buzz mid episode like last time.
I hope Jamie doesnt shave again.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Yeah, the last scene made me cringe a lot and was weak overall. I would have been more satisfied with ending the episode on Stannis, Davos, and Melisandre.

[WildRaubtier]

I hope Jamie doesnt shave again.
He don't.



Oh cheese that was a book spoiler avert your eyes


Meanwhile, I can't stop chanting "Here comes the King in the North, the King in the North, the King in the North!"

[Pheesh]

Arya's scene was the standout for me, she is stone cold. I wish we could have seen a little more of Jaime's return to King's Landing, but I suppose that's what they do in the season finale's.

And yeah, the end was cheesy as hell.

[Aulayna]

Yeah that was a very meh note to end it on.

[Faris]

I was almost in tears with that they did to Rob's body. I knew it was coming but seeing it was heart breaking, especially through Arya's eyes.




Also Tywin making the king go to bed. That was funny :3

I wish there was more of a OMG moment at the end though.

YES

and I agree, I was anticipating something more dramatic for a cliff hanger but then again that just leaves room for a whole lot of epic for next year's premier.

[Freya]

I found a better angel devil picture :3

http://i.imgur.com/19ge2KT.gif

Also ramsey saying "my mother taught me to not throw stones at cripples. But my father taught me to aim for the head." Made me laugh. smurfing Boltons.

[Raistlin]

This episode was a bit of a let-down after the penultimate episode. Most of it was good, especially the scenes with Tywin and Stannis and Varys, though nothing spectacular. But that last scene with Dany was terrible and cheesy and an awful way to end the season. It was entirely unnecessary, too, as we already knew more people from the city would join her and did absolutely nothing to advance her story.

[Shaibana]

they definitly should have made ´the red wedding´ the season finale..
this epi was weak indeed. and the final scene with dany was just corny.. it felt so... disney :(

the scene with rob's body? it honestly didnt do me that much :o

Now i am really curious of the Greyjoy girl (sorry, forgot her name) will find her brother

[Bunny]

I actually liked the episode as a whole. The end scene could have been done better, but I think it advanced her character just like what happens in the books.

[Psychotic]

Yeah I quite liked the episode although it really lacked a major set piece like you would expect from a finale. The ending also wasn't great. Still, Tywin/Tyrion/Joffrey and Stannis/Melisandre/Davos were all incredible, and I actually quite enjoyed Sam's scenes for once! Roose Bolton and Walder Frey is also something not seen in the books and I liked their interaction too, and the final reveal of Ramsay for who he is and why it's not just Theon being tortured for the sake of it - Ramsay and Roose as a father and son combination are truly some of the vilest characters in the books.

[Denmark]

the end scene was dumb. everyone seems to agree on this point.

i liked the rest of the episode though. not as much action/big stuff happening as ep9, but it definitely set up a lot for next season.

by the time next season hits, i'll have finished the books though, but still. looking forward to it

[Agent Proto]

That was a good episode, and I would have to agree that the ending was a bit lacking, but it is what it is. (My brother liked the ending though. That moron. :P) I do have to say that I enjoyed Arya's scene where she killed one of those guys eating food. That trick she used with the coin was great. Also did enjoyed the scene where Tywin put Joffrey to bed early. :D

[Madame Adequate]

That episode was pretty amazing and I don't care, I'd reach out to touch Mother as well. :shobon:

[Pike]

AHAHAHAHAHA JOFFREY GOT PUT INTO TIMEOUT

Best part of the episode

[Psychotic]

Also I have a theory about who Theon's new friend is (Bolton's bastard son) but it doesn't really hold up given that he's a MASTER RUSEMAN of the highest caliber so for all we know he's got nothing to do with Roose Bolton after all and is simply flaying to trick Theon further.Hey Huxley, you win a prize!

[Madame Adequate]

Hooray!

Is the prize that I get to torture and flay people? Maybe inflict a penectomy or to?

[Agent Proto]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/8a0d6f9fdc222e2cd0b2011e003ee846/tumblr_mo712zdYTq1s051cvo1_1280.png
http://25.media.tumblr.com/cc6047d86549162cd45a4342b76ec3b9/tumblr_mo712zdYTq1s051cvo2_1280.png

[Chris]

I thought is was a terribly boring episode for a season finale.

[Lonely Paper Star]

I had been waiting for that RobbWind moment to come to life ever since I read it in the books. I don't know why. I guess I really like watching terrible things like that.

I better see (WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER) this (2nd half of ASOS spoiler) (http://pitye.deviantart.com/art/Lady-Stoneheart-ASoIaF-Game-of-Thrones-355839889) next season, even if she doesn't have those marks since she didn't claw her face like I sort of wish she did. And the Martells! <3333 And the Purple Wedding (idk, I think that's what the fans called Joffrey's wedding).

[Rantz]

Agree with most of the points being made - generally a good episode, lacked for that special oomph. I don't think anyone expected it to surpass episode 9 in that regard, but it seems a little too strong contrast.


More adorable reading by Davos :D

I squee a little every time.

One thing I missed from the books is Davos's desperate speech to convince Stannis to go north. That packed a lot of power and I feel like it was sort of "his moment", which Melisandre sort of usurped in this episode, with a weaker end result. A bit picky, but.


I better see (WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER) this (2nd half of ASOS spoiler) (http://pitye.deviantart.com/art/Lady-Stoneheart-ASoIaF-Game-of-Thrones-355839889) next season

Ohhh! That's an awesome piece.

[Shaibana]

Agree with most of the points being made - generally a good episode, lacked for that special oomph. I don't think anyone expected it to surpass episode 9 in that regard, but it seems a little too strong contrast.
.

no, not at all, but this finale was just way to weak.. in general

[Madame Adequate]

I edited your post Lonely Paper Star, nothing wrong with the spoiler being there but a spoiler of THAT MAGNITUDE really deserves emphasis.

[Lonely Paper Star]

I edited your post Lonely Paper Star, nothing wrong with the spoiler being there but a spoiler of THAT MAGNITUDE really deserves emphasis.

Whoa, red caps. :cool:

[Formalhaut]

Finally watched the season 3 finale. Here are my bullet pointed list:



In general, the episode I found was probably on par, maybe even better, than it's equivalent comparison: Valar Morghulis. While it's ending scene is perhaps rather melodramatic, it is sort of what you'd expect from a season closing. It is perhaps rather unnecessary as we pretty much knew the outcome from her scenes in The Rains of Castamere but hey, it was alright. It certainly wasn't as bad as everyone is making out I feel.
The scene with Jaime was underplayed. No words. In fact, he hardly got much screentime at all. Brienne didn't get much and I would have loved more interaction between the two seeing how Jaime did save her from that bear pit. Their storyline pretty much ended with The Bear and the Maiden Fair.
Bran's storyline is moving ahead with some pace now, and his scenes were good enough. He is moving further up north now, and the meeting with Sam and Gilly were quite good. Talking about Sam/Gilly, I love how he is getting more screentime now. He might be upgraded to main cast status perhaps in the fourth season. I liked his scenes though and, like Davos, he is just a simple, good character. I like how he is making Gilly happy.
Oh Davos. I just love his character. There's nothing much to add. The lord of light really must favour him, because he has been sent to prison or death so many times. He's treading a very shaky line with Stannis to be honest. I loved his scenes with Gendry talking about Flea Bottom. I wonder what Melisandre makes of Davos?
Arya the killer! Watch her pretend to a small orphan girl, and then go full on psycho. You could almost see the Hound looking sympathetic.

[Cuchulainn]

i really liked this episode. In fact if you cut out the last 5 minutes it was my favorite episode of the season.

Maester Aemon man..I'd no idea he was re-cast. Warmed me heart seeing him.

[Pheesh]

Also just want to say I loved Jon and Ygritte's scene. The actress who plays her is really awesome in my opinion, the absolute fury on her face when he rode off in ep9 and then the heartbreak when he left her again this episode, both perfect. Best/worst breakup ever.

[blackmage_nuke]

Arya the killer! Watch her pretend to a small orphan girl, and then go full on psycho. You could almost see the Hound looking sympathetic.


I think he actually looked more surprised when he realised his knife was missing than when the little girl was stabbing a full grown man

[Pike]

Arya the killer! Watch her pretend to a small orphan girl, and then go full on psycho. You could almost see the Hound looking sympathetic.


I think he actually looked more surprised when he realised his knife was missing than when the little girl was stabbing a full grown man

I like how he goes "Warn me before you do something like that next time" because he knows it's going to happen again

[blackmage_nuke]

Watch her pretend to a small orphan girl

Also she doesnt have to pretend anymore, since now she is a small orphan girl

[Freya]

YOU KNOW WHAT WAS SAD?

Ygritte and Jon Snow :( To make you feel better they are actually dating in the real lifes

http://i.imgur.com/Xn9GFqE.gif

[Rantz]

Yeah that was a sad scene. I think it was done well and I'm glad Ygritte shooting him was not omitted from the show.

[Loony BoB]

Like they would ever leave out someone having something bad happening to them. ;)

Good show for the most part, agree that the end was super terrible cheese. I did, however, like the zooming out to show the considerable size of her new army. Also happy to see that Sam actually had more dragonglass, because him leaving that other one behind had me raging. The war against the whitewalkers well and truly underway next season, I imagine, and I must say I'm really looking forward to it. Also delighted that both Davos and Gendry were saved.

Melisandre looking scared is a wonderful thing, and admitting Stannis will need Davos even better. What else? Jon Snow back with his bros, but I must concede I'm still wanting one thing spoiled for me, although relatively minor - if a book reader could be so kind as to tell me if we ever see Samwell's friends from the Night's Watch again (spoiler tag it, of course) that would be appreciated. I liked those two fellas.

Tyrion is amazing, Varys is amazing, that lady should've taken the gems. Speaking of her, she just annoys me now. I find her so boring and just a hinderance to the amazingly interesting relationship that is Tyrion and Sansa. I want to watch their discussions all the time because they compliment each other so fantastically. I don't care if they never fall in love or anything, but what I do care about is that his very jealous woman is always there, tagging along, making things awkward. Geez, give 'em some alone time for crying out loud.

Joffrey instantly losing any vague possibility of him someday becoming a somewhat tolerable person. What a :bou::bou::bou::bou:, and I never use that word.

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing - it was so sad watching Tyrion listen to how much a parent unconditionally loves a child after all the crap his father has put him through.

[WildRaubtier]

I must concede I'm still wanting one thing spoiled for me, although relatively minor - if a book reader could be so kind as to tell me if we ever see Samwell's friends from the Night's Watch again (spoiler tag it, of course) that would be appreciated. I liked those two fellas.
Memory says that no named characters died. I know Dolorous Ed gets back alive, because some jerk keeps voting for him in the Commander re-elections.

[Loony BoB]

Thanks, Kent. :up:

[Cuchulainn]

Robert.

Craster's Keep Mutiny;
Loyalists: Byam Flint (Killed), Samwell Tarly (Survived), Eddison Tollett (Survived), Dywen (Survived), Grenn (Survived), Giant (Survived), Black Bernarr (Survived), Tim Stone (Survived), Ulmer of the Kingswood (Survived), Garth Greyfeather (Survived), Ronnel Harclay (Survived), Kedge Whiteye (Survived), Fornio (Survived), Goady (Survived), Sweet Donnel Hill (Survived), Left Hand Lew (Survived), Garth of Oldtown (Killed).

Mutineers: Dirk, Ollo Lophand, Grubbs, Garth of Greenaway, Alan of Rosby, Rolley of Sisterton (Killed), Mawney, Clubfoot Karl, Orphan Oss, Muttering Bill.

Telling you the fate of the Mutineers may spoil things if you're not a book reader.

[Rantz]

I must concede I'm still wanting one thing spoiled for me, although relatively minor - if a book reader could be so kind as to tell me if we ever see Samwell's friends from the Night's Watch again (spoiler tag it, of course) that would be appreciated. I liked those two fellas.

Weren't Pyp and Grenn both in the episode? Or were you talking about someone else, BoB? But yeah, there were a couple of named characters who died but nobody really important (apart from Mormont).

[Loony BoB]

I'm referring to the two guys who stood up for Sam when that now-dead mutinous punk was bitching at how they should leave Sam behind and called him a fatty or whatever. I think, upon a little (careful!) research, their names are Dolorous Edd (thanks Kent) and Grenn.

[Pike]

Yeah that was a sad scene. I think it was done well and I'm glad Ygritte shooting him was not omitted from the show.

I get the impression that she was planning on killing him but couldn't bring herself to do it so she just shot him where it hurts instead. I don't know if that's how it was in the books, though. Sad all around :(

[Shauna]

So... what do I do for the next few months until the new season?

(inb4 read the books)

[Pike]

I might cave and read the books. I mean I may as well since the internet is terrible at hiding spoilers and I've already been spoiled out my arse for the next several seasons. :p

[Shauna]

I do have them all, might break them out.

[Loony BoB]

Suits will keep me going for a while, new season's almost upon us. :excited:

Don't think I'll be reading the books. I like having a couple of great TV series where I don't know everything, and there aren't many shows that capture me at the moment, so I'll let GoT & Suits carry me as far as they can.

[Shaibana]

Suits will keep me going for a while, new season's almost upon us. :excited:

Don't think I'll be reading the books. I like having a couple of great TV series where I don't know everything, and there aren't many shows that capture me at the moment, so I'll let GoT & Suits carry me as far as they can.

thats why you should read after the series.
ive started with book one, but i will make sure that i dont catch up on the tv show.
ive read ahead with Harry potter once.. it ruined the movie

[Del Murder]

There's other books out there to read. I think I can hold off. After some of what happened this season, I'm in no hurry to read more.

[Rantz]

Yeah that was a sad scene. I think it was done well and I'm glad Ygritte shooting him was not omitted from the show.

I get the impression that she was planning on killing him but couldn't bring herself to do it so she just shot him where it hurts instead. I don't know if that's how it was in the books, though. Sad all around :(

I think she genuinely did try to kill him in the book, but it's never really hinted to one way or another, I suppose. It's just that it happens when Jon flees from the group - Ygritte never follows him. And she only puts the one arrow in his leg as he's riding away.

[Shaibana]

Yeah that was a sad scene. I think it was done well and I'm glad Ygritte shooting him was not omitted from the show.

I get the impression that she was planning on killing him but couldn't bring herself to do it so she just shot him where it hurts instead. I don't know if that's how it was in the books, though. Sad all around :(

I think she genuinely did try to kill him in the book, but it's never really hinted to one way or another, I suppose. It's just that it happens when Jon flees from the group - Ygritte never follows him. And she only puts the one arrow in his leg as he's riding away.

your spoiler failed :P

edit: when i fist came back to this thread the spoiler was open :P

[Jinx]

The Harry Potter books didn't ruin the movies. The movies just really weren't that good. (Although they still have a special place in my heart, and I bawled like a baby at the end of Deathly Hallows Pt. 2)

Shauna--it's not a few months. IT'S MORE LIKE 9 MONTHS.

[Pike]

You guys are weird; the Harry Potter movies were great.

Speaking of which:

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[Jinx]

The Harry Potter movies are great if you recognize that they're not incredibly faithful translations of the books, and appreciate them for what they are. I guess you missed the part where I said that they have a special place in my heart/I love them. :p

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa196/narcissisticprincess09/tumblr_mo2zulXq1D1r3ajmoo1_500_zpse0fd534c.jpg (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/narcissisticprincess09/media/tumblr_mo2zulXq1D1r3ajmoo1_500_zpse0fd534c.jpg.html)

[Shaibana]

haha thats funny :p

but about the harry potter movies: it wasnt ruined becaus the movie were That bad, but becaus i have read the books i saw alot of missing stuff and things that happen different in the books.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Because the books are better.

[charliepanayi]

Of course stuff is different between a book and a film, it's called adaptation. In fact some have said the Harry Potter films only improved once they stopped slavishly following the source material.

[Bunny]

Books will almost always be better than their film adaptations because of the sheer freedom that an author has in writing a scene. People need to stop comparing films and books so closely to each other without realizing that the reason things, primarily books, get adapted into films is to reach a wider audience and to show a different side of the original story.

[Del Murder]

Yeah with a book you have almost no restrictions on what you can do when in a movie or show there are obviously budget, time, and personnel restrictions to deal with. Which is why I like when they take a more creative license with the source material to adapt it to different media. GoT does this well in some respects (the Arya/Tywin stuff, Rob's storyline) and not in others (having Bran do basically nothing all season until the last episode).

[McLovin']

You guys are weird; the Harry Potter movies were great.

Speaking of which:

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who gives a crap that she was in Harry Potter!? She had no role! She was the damn mother of Nathan in Misfits! That's where people should recognize her performance.

[The Man]

Pretty sure David Bradley wasn't in Misfits, so you can't make good jokes about one character killing the other.

As an aside if Michelle Fairley isn't at least nominated for an Emmy or SAG for her performance this year I'll be extremely surprised.

She's also been cast for Suits. Not that Stoneheart is going to be a particularly large role, but I hope this doesn't mean she's leaving the show.

[Roogle]

She's also been cast for Suits. Not that Stoneheart is going to be a particularly large role, but I hope this doesn't mean she's leaving the show.[/theman]

Lady Stoneheart only appears twice in the text so far, so you're right that it may be a smaller role, but Michelle Fairley has read the books and hints that Lady Stoneheart will be coming in one of her interviews about the Red Wedding.

[WildRaubtier]

that'd be.... the epilogue for Storm of Swords, and when the Brotherhood captures Brienne? Honestly thought it was more than that.

[Del Murder]

We're off to see the Raven, the Raven beyond the Wall.

Bran = Dorothy
Hodor = Lion
Meera = Scarecrow
Jojen = Tinman
Summer = Toto

[The Man]

I imagine we're probably going to see Dondarrion revive Catelyn onscreen, and I wouldn't be surprised if they write in additional scenes for her to have things to do as well. But you're right, now that I think about it I think she only makes two onscreen appearances in the text as Stoneheart so far.

[Jinx]

I imagine we're probably going to see Dondarrion revive Catelyn onscreen, and I wouldn't be surprised if they write in additional scenes for her to have things to do as well. But you're right, now that I think about it I think she only makes two onscreen appearances in the text as Stoneheart so far.

I hope that if we see him revive her on screen, I want it to be a flashback. I consider the revelation of Lady Stoneheart the best scene in the entire series so far, even better than the Red Wedding. It's just totally out of nowhere, and happens so quickly, it's just like WHAT THE FUCK. Those moments are awesome BECAUSE you're left blind-sided, and I don't think it'd have as much impact if her being revived was shown, unless it was retroactively.

[blackmage_nuke]

We're off to see the Raven, the Raven beyond the Wall.

Bran = Dorothy
Hodor = Lion
Meera = Scarecrow
Jojen = Tinman
Summer = Toto

I wouldve thought Hodor was the Scarecrow

[WildRaubtier]

GUYS I'VE FOUND THE SOLUTION TO THEON AND ASHA/YARA'S PROBLEM (http://threewordphrase.com/hostage.htm)

It was so obvious all along!

[Shaibana]

only if they have dr frankenstein in service :o

buuuttt for the rest: shall we go back to the main topic where i (and some others:P) can talk along pls? xD
im only at the beginning of the first book you know :(

i hope Jaime doesnt go back to his old self now that he is back in Kingslanding.
i do believe he has chanced

[Loony BoB]

i hope Jaime doesnt go back to his old self now that he is back in Kingslanding.

I hope he does! I miss the old Jaime. New Jaime has all the charm and wit of Squall Leonhart.

[Cuchulainn]

I think it's fair to assume he'll never return to his old self. In saying that it's also fair to assume he'll get over his recent horrors and become stronger again, both mentally and physically.

[Jinx]

only if they have dr frankenstein in service :o

buuuttt for the rest: shall we go back to the main topic where i (and some others:P) can talk along pls? xD
im only at the beginning of the first book you know :(

i hope Jaime doesnt go back to his old self now that he is back in Kingslanding.
i do believe he has chanced

There is usually more than one conversation going on in the thread. You're free to start talking about something else at any time. :)

He's changed. Losing his hand, which was also a huge part of his identity, definitely changed him.

[Pike]

The more I watch this show the more Jaime becomes a really interesting character. I mean, he was interesting to start with, but not THIS interesting.

[Jinx]

I think he has some of the most realistic character development. Maybe not necessarily the events that bring on the changes (let's be real, a lot of the stuff in this series is very fantastical!), but how he is handled. I'd say as of right now, show-wise, he's the most developed character.

[Loony BoB]

I think I'm the only person in the world who thinks he was way cooler at the start of the show and is fairly boring now. Genuinely see him as a mopey bloke who does the right thing every now and then, much like Squall was at the start of FFVIII.

[WildRaubtier]

only if they have dr frankenstein in service :o
Oh, you, like that'd ever happen :rolleyes:

Speaking of Jaime, didn't he only get back to Kings Landing after Joffrey's wedding in the books? That kind of changes a few key things...

[Shaibana]

i thought Joffrey´s wedding would be the season´s finale

[Psychotic]

What are you on about, Daniel? Jaime is mopier than ever.

[Jinx]

What are you on about, Daniel? Jaime is mopier than ever.

That's what he said.

[Psychotic]

Squall goes from mopey to not mopey though.

[Madame Adequate]

u think ur so clever n edgy dont you psyudchotic

[Jinx]

Squall goes from mopey to not mopey though.

Maybe an FFVII to FFVII: Advent Children Cloud would be the more appropriate comparison.

[Psychotic]

u think ur so clever n edgy dont you psyudchoticMate all I'm saying is that if both T's B's and lonny bob are on the opposite side of a debate to you, you must have justice and righteousness on your side.

[Jinx]

u think ur so clever n edgy dont you psyudchoticMate all I'm saying is that if both T's B's and lonny bob are on the opposite side of a debate to you, you must have justice and righteousness on your side.

:doublecolbert:

[Loony BoB]

Squall goes from mopey to not mopey though.

Genuinely see him as a mopey bloke who does the right thing every now and then, much like Squall was at the start of FFVIII.
Learn to read, Psy. :smash:

[Madame Adequate]

#shotsfired

Ooooohhhh it's on now

[Quindiana Jones]

I think Jaime was cooler and an enjoyable magnificent bastard at the start, but he is a far better character now. It's a shame there are no equivalent MBs around, though.

Not Marshall Bananas.

[Denmark]

shamelessly stolen from a tweet by azar but he doesn't post here so:

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2013/06/13/13-GoTinfographics5.o.png/a_560x0.png

[Pike]

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/6062f33ac37cc6fc5a4542499478f0d8/tumblr_mof2ymbMKH1qlvd4eo1_500.gif

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/9a77ebafe4651d58dd09750be15e1b87/tumblr_mof2ymbMKH1qlvd4eo3_500.gif

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/73bae494b9176bd142e5c2ebf6f1421c/tumblr_mof2ymbMKH1qlvd4eo2_500.gif

[Cuchulainn]

shamelessly stolen from a tweet by azar but he doesn't post here so:

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2013/06/13/13-GoTinfographics5.o.png/a_560x0.png

There were Eunnuchs guarding illarios mansion. This Graph is erroneous.

[Jinx]

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa196/narcissisticprincess09/tumblr_mo6h118tIp1qaa0v4o1_500_zps8a3be2fa.png (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/narcissisticprincess09/media/tumblr_mo6h118tIp1qaa0v4o1_500_zps8a3be2fa.png.html)

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa196/narcissisticprincess09/tumblr_mo6h118tIp1qaa0v4o2_500_zpsb0e8ed86.png (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/narcissisticprincess09/media/tumblr_mo6h118tIp1qaa0v4o2_500_zpsb0e8ed86.png.html)

[Agent Proto]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/b1f15879dd65ddf02eafbec60c52b3e9/tumblr_mojvb9X0DF1rxph9no1_500.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/cc0eabab4c6d7abb2a47b79515762e22/tumblr_moju9mn7VN1qzvlx2o1_500.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/441e5e8556af26c8d93fca1a79b6d0bd/tumblr_moju9mn7VN1qzvlx2o2_500.jpg

[Jinx]

Should rename this thread to: Game of Thrones: Posts .gifs and pictures until next season

[Shaibana]

tywin sends his regards?? somebody help me out? rain of castamere?

[Agent Proto]

I believe Tywin wrote the lyrics to that song in question.

[Pheesh]

GoT actors discussing their family mottos....or what they think it should be - Imgur (http://imgur.com/gallery/lPxIt)

my favourite thing about this is someone's comment "you know knotting, Jon Snow."

[Shlup]

I think I'm the only person in the world who thinks he was way cooler at the start of the show and is fairly boring now. Genuinely see him as a mopey bloke who does the right thing every now and then, much like Squall was at the start of FFVIII.

Yes. Yes, I think you are.

[Denmark]

http://i.imgur.com/DyQ9OxV.gif

http://i.imgur.com/odXqRlY.gif

[Freya]

http://i.imgur.com/E4hN9Yb.jpg

[Shaibana]

they are not spoliers.. just funny pictures :D
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ooohh... so small :l .. and i dont know how to make the pictures bigger :'(
.. here is the link for the first one :l http://9gag.com/gag/aKzz2Gg

[Pike]

http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/96/37/d168bfb1518096141651d17fd86faa0f-if-developers-were-houses-on-game-of-thrones.jpg

[Loony BoB]

Didn't read the username (no avs/sigs on Simplified) and just looked at the image, knew who posted it anyway, checked, was right.

[Del Murder]

Haha, I live in Emeryville. 'Three freeways converge' is right.

[Pike]

http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/2013-06-17.jpg

[Agent Proto]

m0nS8u6Td5I

Hooodoooor ho-doh hooodooor hodooor~

http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f8bc47681541a86bc152aa0008e7510/tumblr_mopc5jQiY71r5jtiwo1_500.jpg

[Cuchulainn]

Someone told me Bronze Yohn Royce is being cast for this season does anyone know if this is true?

[Aulayna]

Game of Thrones - Cat Edition (http://imgur.com/gallery/v0kqz)

[Freya]

http://i.imgur.com/ZPT1RYy.gif

Funny pictures and videos thread haha

[Lonely Paper Star]

Somehow I feel like I stumbled onto the GoT tag of Tumblr. :o

[Pike]

Somehow I feel like I stumbled onto the GoT tag of Tumblr. :o

Because that's all there is to browse until season four shows up

[Agent Proto]

Hodorscopes: Game of Thrones Horoscopes (http://hodorscopes.com/)

[Freya]

When we start getting casting news I'll post that but as of now nothing is being reported so funny pictures it is!

[Shlup]

Somehow I feel like I stumbled onto the GoT tag of Tumblr. :o

I like it. Saves me from actually having to log into tumblr.

[Shaibana]

9GAG - Game of Thrones Dating Site (http://9gag.com/gag/aAYYqEg)

Game of thrones; dating

[Cuchulainn]

CASTING CONFIRMATION

Oberyn Martell = Pedro Pascal, Chilean actor.

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'Game of Thrones' casts major season 4 role: Oberyn the Red Viper | Inside TV | EW.com (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/28/thrones-red-viper-oberyn/)

[Shaibana]

lol i read that just a sec before i came here ^^

[Jinx]

Thread title should be changed to Waiting Game of Thrones.

[Rantz]

When you play the game of thrones, you wait or GRRM dies.

[The Man]

At least Benioff and Weiss know how the story ends so if GRRM kicks the bucket they can still finish the show.

[WildRaubtier]

CASTING CONFIRMATION

Oberyn Martell = Pedro Pascal, Chilean actor.

44234

'Game of Thrones' casts major season 4 role: Oberyn the Red Viper | Inside TV | EW.com (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/28/thrones-red-viper-oberyn/)

I cant wait to see his duel with Ser Gregor.

[Shaibana]

9GAG - Can watch this forever! (http://9gag.com/gag/a75KDK2)

http://9gag.com/gag/a6wdo2e

[Cuchulainn]

Underground hip-hop artist released a GoT rap. not bad at all

kL7RWUva7ak

[Shaibana]

im not sure if i actually saw this video here... but i couldnt find it back in this thread..

so here it is


4 seasons in 4 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbEhByk4Icg

[Shlup]

I don't know what that had to do with a little kid's birthday party, but that was amazing.

[Shaibana]

I don't know what that had to do with a little kid's birthday party, but that was amazing.

that is pretty much the point

[Agent Proto]

I'm not sure when this happened, but it did.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/3815f72f0268470f7879c3c9c6ce3372/tumblr_mpylz131Mg1rtgpkio1_500.jpg

[Lonely Paper Star]

Sherlock actor Mark Gatiss cast in season 4 (http://winteriscoming.net/2013/07/sherlock-actor-mark-gatiss-cast-in-season-4/).



Some people in the comments think he'll be Mace Tyrell.

[Freya]

oooooo

[Lonely Paper Star]

Oooo, indeed. X3


And on top of casting news,

Game of Thrones garners 17 Emmy noms! (http://winteriscoming.net/2013/07/game-of-thrones-garners-17-emmy-noms/)... including a couple nom-noms for "The Rains of Castamere."

[Agent Proto]

17 Emmy noms?? Damn, they gettin' busy.

[Jinx]

Of all the people they choose Emilia Clarke. Just (another) bit of proof that the Emmys are hacks.

Michelle Fairley deserved the nom, by far.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Yeah, I felt the same. -____-;;

[Shlup]

Not that I don't like Emilia Clarke, but c'mon, if they're going to pick someone from the GoT cast she isn't even in my top 5.

[Jinx]

For the record, I really did think Emilia Clarke made a lot of improvements this season, and she's finally learning to act. Except that one time she looked straight into the goddamn camera. :stare:

But there are other women on that show that are much more deserving of the nod.

[Lonely Paper Star]

So at the Game of Thrones Comic Con panel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c96QfWVZzj8), they played this in memoriam:

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I found it funny in some parts and sad in others (I guess that's what I get for being so emotionally invested in fictional characters). Also, spoilers if you're not caught up.

[Shlup]

They just had to go from funny to sad like that. WTF.

[Pike]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/c1f4a4fca2ecdf49a0a0a29f6500d6ba/tumblr_mqe8e64lVH1ql2603o1_500.jpg

[Jinx]

[picture]

I follow only one dog. The Red Dog: R'llover.

[Shaibana]

talking about dogs.. do you think Arya and Nymeria (her direwolf she chased away to save) will ever be reunited?

[Cuchulainn]

talking about dogs.. do you think Arya and Nymeria (her direwolf she chased away to save) will ever be reunited?

Almost defiantely

[Jinx]

talking about dogs.. do you think Arya and Nymeria (her direwolf she chased away to save) will ever be reunited?

Almost defiantely

Almost definitely too.

[Shlup]

In any other series, of course they would. With GRRM it's quite possible they won't be, but they goddamn well better be.

[Quindiana Jones]

Chances are Nymeria will eat her or something.

[Denmark]

Not alive, though. That'd be too cruel.

[Bunny]

The story ends with Nymeria sitting on the Iron Throne and every human but the Starks enslaved by her dire wolf army.

[The Man]

Still a better monarch than Joffrey.

[Miriel]

talking about dogs.. do you think Arya and Nymeria (her direwolf she chased away to save) will ever be reunited?

This is seriously the only thing I care about in this show's end game.