Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Freya]

If they could freeze water, what would be the point of a 700 foot wall? They'd just walk around it.

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[chionos]

This season started off slow and boring and even annoying sometimes, but it sure is building momentum. Each of the last few shows has been better than the last.

I hate Cersei, but my goodness the woman is strong as hell.

Tynerys is all kinds of awesome expectation-building exciting. Love them together.

Arya's smile as she walks away from The Man.

Sansa and Reek scene was barely a blip in the episode, but I loved it. I think Sophie and Alfie work together beautifully.

I've hated hated hated the choreography this season. The fighting has been absolute shit. But the Hardhome scene was just fantastic, top to bottom. Felt the old GoT-hype feeling I hadn't yet experienced so far this season. Hopefully they keep up this momentum.

[Psychotic]

If the white walkers can't swim then the Iron Islands are the safest place to be.The Iron Islands are incredibly fucking grim though. Let's all go to the island of Tarth, I hear there's sapphires everywhere.

[Freya]

Apparently the reason the WW scene was so kick ass and everything else (dorne) wasn't was because they blew most their budget on the battle and spent 5 weeks filming it.

[Bubba]

Another episode of Game of Thrones where nothing happens. Still waiting for this season to kick into gear.

[Night Fury]

I remember watching an interview with the Sand Snakes before this season started, and they were like "there'll be one thing that this season is remembered for... Sand Snakes"


just lol. They were lame as shit.

[Jinx]

I remember watching an interview with the Sand Snakes before this season started, and they were like "there'll be one thing that this season is remembered for... Sand Snakes"




Well, I mean, they aren't wrong. :p

[Denmark]

I hate Cersei, but my goodness the woman is strong as hell.

unnnnnbreakable~

[escobert]

I remember watching an interview with the Sand Snakes before this season started, and they were like "there'll be one thing that this season is remembered for... Sand Snakes"


just lol. They were lame as shit.

best boobage so far :p

The last episode was awesome. I can't wait for more! And get rowing mofos!

[Madame Adequate]

Hooooly fucking Christ that might have been the best episode of GoT to date

[Ayen]

About smurfing time the White Walkers showed up again. You know what? We had five seasons of political intrigue. I'm ready for the White Walkers to tear trout up now.

[Freya]

TL;DW (http://imgur.com/a/OhxBA) is out again. I giggled.

The Jorah singing I will survive makes me giggle.

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[Pheesh]

Not going to lie, I cracked up at "what fresh metal album hell is this?"

[Freya]

The tormund calling Jon a Dramatic lil shit was great but I didn't want to post it cause shit is filtered here.

[Shaibana]

holy smurfing trout what an episode :D
the tension when that storm kicked in. from there i was at the edge of my seat!!
:D :D :D

that/those scenes behind the wall almost makes me forget all the other things that happened in this episode.
that wildling woman was seriously badass! such a shame she didnt make it ;_;

i seriously hope Sansa gets out D:

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i agree with this one tho, and i think its stupid
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[escobert]

As soon as she told her kids she'd be on a boat right behind them I knew she was gonna die. I was like "Oh fuck something bad's gonna happen!"

[Mirage]

so, did winter finally come in this episode or...?

[Pike]

good episode although Tyrian/Dany was my favorite part of the whole thing

[Ergroilnin]

I noticed it before but hell... Do I love Dany's eyebrows! They almost remind me of someone...

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Plot twist. Mr. Lavenstein was the mad king!

[Ayen]

"Westeros is smurfed."

Those were my exact thoughts last night.

[Psychotic]

A lot of people said they'd stop watching after Ned, after the Red Wedding, etc. but those viewing figures keep going up and up. The same people bitching about it will be back again next week.http://i.imgur.com/hIa8SVO.jpg

what do i win

[Shaibana]

so, did winter finally come in this episode or...?

i think winter has come in the north and will soon make its way south.
this episode could have made a hell of a good season final.
i wonder if they could top that

i think this discribes our feelings

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[Mirage]

A lot of people said they'd stop watching after Ned, after the Red Wedding, etc. but those viewing figures keep going up and up. The same people bitching about it will be back again next week.http://i.imgur.com/hIa8SVO.jpg

what do i win

Why does initial airing matter? No one will ever skip an episode in a show like this.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

Exactly, Mirage. I never watch the episodes when they air, as I'm in a session of D&D at that time. Instead, I record them and watch them as soon as my D&D is over.

[Loony BoB]

Question: How exactly does the giant intend on boarding a ship?

[Psychotic]

On reddit somebody suggested that as one of the ships used is a whaling ship (this was stated in the books and not the show though!) they could easily accommodate a giant instead of a whale.

Also the initial viewing figures don't tell the whole story, no, but I don't get how that's relevant to the point I was making. Namely, people who boycotted it will inevitably flood back.

[Freya]

I'm sure a lot of them came back after the uproar everyone made about the last episode. Tbh I even checked to see if themarysue caved. They didn't.

[Del Murder]

I'd like to see those numbers split by 'watching' and 'hatewatching'.

[escobert]

I didn't watch for multiple seasons after Ned died. Buut now I'm back.

[Ayen]

what do i win

A lifetime supply of snickers and a one time only free pass out of the Friend Zone for the lucky lady of your choice.

[McLovin']

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[Freya]

If anyone has ever played Warcraft or know of it, you will know that their cinematics are amazing even if you don't like the games themselves. The end of Hardhome made me think of The Wrath of the Lich King Cinematic. Someone mashed them together and it fits soooooooo well. Check it out!

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[McLovin']

on that note: https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/606249041798807552

loled.

[Shorty]

Hardhome: What I've Been Waiting This Entire Show For aka what the fuck did I just watch and how can I get more of it immediately

[Shaibana]

ive heard that tonight will be the seasons finale?
they also say there are 2 episodes left.

so.. is the finale next week or will there be 2 episodes tonight? :3

[Jinx]

Shai, according to the Googles, there will be an episode this week and next week.

[Formalhaut]

It's Episode Nine tonight guys!

Though based on the episode description given, I have a feeling it will be more akin to 'Baelor', rather than one big massive event that takes up the whole episode.

[Jinx]

I just read a little article where Jon Snow said that tonight's and next week's episode put Hardhome to shame (not that I personally liked it, but a lot of people do). Apparently even more shit will go down!

[Shaibana]

I just read a little article where Jon Snow said that tonight's and next week's episode put Hardhome to shame (not that I personally liked it, but a lot of people do). Apparently even more trout will go down!

well, that leaves me with high expectations. usually that just leads to disapointment.
GoT can deliver tho ^^

[Mirage]

There's always been 10 episodes per season, don't see why this would suddenly change now.

[Shiny]

It happens all the time where series and/or the network will randomly change the number of episodes. If the story needs to be told in more to lead up to the finale then they do it especially if he shows is a cash cow.

[Formalhaut]

I'm inclined to agree with you normally Shiny, but I do think with a series like GoT, I don't think they will stray from the classic 10 episode (with the 9th generally being the big climax) format that they've been known for. Also, call me fickle but I like my seasons all being the same size.

[Mirage]

Sure it can change, but there's no reason to think it has changed when there is no infomation supporting this

[McLovin']

Oh my god. What the hell. You can't just transition from that seriously. Although that entire last part got fucking real, real quick. Was spectacular.

[Freya]

Stannis is NOT the mannis :mad2:

Also motherfuckinh drogon and dany as a dragon rider. Heck yes

[Shiny]

Stannis is a terrible person. Get flayed, bish.

[Loony BoB]

Stannis Melisandre and Barry all need to die horrible deaths. Roose is shockingly the lesser of the evils open to the north right now.

[Shiny]

Tyrion is like "uh you forgot us".

[Del Murder]

Oh my god. What the hell. You can't just transition from that seriously. Although that entire last part got smurfing real, real quick. Was spectacular.
Not that quick. Took a while actually.

Man the Unsullied are useless. Good thing she actually didn't pay for them.

And what's with the tearful reunion moment with Drogon in the middle of a battle? And ditching your friends and advisers just like that? Makes no sense. But hey, we got to see dragon light a bunch of fools on fire! So I was entertained. Just wish it built up a little quicker.

I feel like the scene before was the scene to end on. That trout was messed up and I didn't see it coming.

[Araciel]

She gonna' be sore tomorrow...

[Psychotic]

Man the Unsullied are useless. Good thing she actually didn't pay for them.Seriously. The Harpy are meant to be what, random rich nobles? And they're somehow chewing through these slave soldiers trained to be murderers from birth? The smurf?

I don't normally go OH NO THEY CHANGED THE BOOKS HOW DARE YOU :argh: but I'm going to make an exception because smurf you, book Stannis would never do that trout :colbert: Dany, hotfoot it over to Winterfell. Burn the Boltons, burn Stannis, especially smurfing burn Melissandre as she loves fire so much, problem solved.

Shireen. :( I wonder if this is what it takes to make Davos lose his unshakeable loyalty to Stannis.

[Shorty]

smurf Stannis, Melisandre, and the whole of the army who stood there to watch the burning without batting an eye. Spineless cowards, everyone who participated and spectated. That was low trout from Stannis.

Dragons! :jess:

These last two episodes sure have picked up. I know a lot has happened, but things felt slow to start off, for some reason.

The finale will be nuts for sure.

[Ayen]

Welp, I'm rooting for the Boltons now. Hope Stannis and the Red Bitch gets flayed alive. Ramsay is a more interesting character, anyway.

[Shorty]

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[Psychotic]

The Boltons aren't getting their hands on Stannis. Why not? Fuck winter, Brienne is coming.

[Shorty]

I hope Davos gives it to Melisandre shortly on account of Shireen. She looked mighty surprised to walk out of her tent and find fires lighting up the camp like "hey that's mine you can't use that"

[Psychotic]

I wonder who that leaves as the heir to Storm's End. I guess it'd be Tommen and Myrcella as they're officially Baratheons? Legitimise Gendry!

[Ayen]

While we're on the subject of Myrcella, lol at Jaime's reaction to Myrcella's dress.

[chionos]

Bad greenscreen&camera work ruined the Drogon+Daeny reunion for me, so I'm basically ready for the WW army to just kill everyone. Except maybe Samwise, I mean Samwell, Gilly, & Sam. I hate everyone in around or near Stannis. Even Davos, because he didn't swoop in at the last second to save her. Up till now I thought Mel was maybe deluded, fireblind, something a little off but reasonably off, endsjustifythemeans kind of off, but this was revolting. If Sansa doesn't get to stab someone in the eye or genitals next week to make up for this bullshit I might just stop caring.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

Did you guys think this was a good natured, unicorns and rainbows kind of show? Because that's how it's sounding.

Really, though, I agree that the Unsullied are complete bulltrout. They are trained soldiers and being ripped apart by random nobles who have paid people to fight for them their entire lives. Smurf that. Other than that, I have no issues with the narrative. Bad things happen. It causes drama. And helps you choose characters you DO and DON'T like. And, after today, I guess less people will like Stannis.

[Ayen]

Bad things happen. It causes drama. And helps you choose characters you DO and DON'T like.

That's basically what we're doing. People in this thread needs to stop with the "Did you think blah blah blah" every time we react as, well, normal people would watching something horrible happen. Because if we just accepted it and move on then that meant the writing became subpar.

[Psychotic]

Yeah, like, bad things happen... but what's the point in having the bad things if you don't react to them? If the audience reacts to a child being burned to death in the same way as if she'd stubbed her toe then the writers may as well have her stub her toe. Being shocked and angry is part of the fun.

[Ergroilnin]

This was WAY worse than some post marital rape...

[Formalhaut]

Firstly, on that scene

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Also, while I did not expect Shireen to actually burn, it actually makes sense in the narrative, as much as it pains me to say it (because Shireen was an angel!). Stannis has been sort of built up for us to quasi-support him. Saving the Night Watch, his interactions with Jon... that scene with Shireen. Stannis might not have been perfect, but he had a limit.

I think the showrunners just really wanted to prove to us that there are no good characters. Stannis will do whatever it takes to get past the snow to assault Winterfell. My only gripe about it is that it does undo that intimate scene he had with her, about not giving up on her and her greyscale. Curse that Melisandre!

[Ergroilnin]

Also talking about Greyscale... Didn't just Jorah infect Dany? He touched her with his bare hand after all... Or are only infected areas contagious?

[Tyson]

Am I the only one who wanted Stannis to make the sacrifice? I mean he already tried taking Kings Landing without the help of The Lord of Light and look how that turned out.

They all would have starved and died if he didn't. What's one girl to a kingdom!

I can't believe I've been reading all these people calling him worse then Roose/Ramsay?! Seriously.

[Ayen]

Am I the only one who wanted Stannis to make the sacrifice? I mean he already tried taking Kings Landing without the help of The Lord of Light and look how that turned out.

They all would have starved and died if he didn't. What's one girl to a kingdom!

I can't believe I've been reading all these people calling him worse then Roose/Ramsay?! Seriously.

They could have gone back to Castle Black like Davos suggested, but no, obviously the only way was to burn a little kid.

Also, burning her doesn't help with the hunger problem. Unless they eat her after...

[Tyson]

Am I the only one who wanted Stannis to make the sacrifice? I mean he already tried taking Kings Landing without the help of The Lord of Light and look how that turned out.

They all would have starved and died if he didn't. What's one girl to a kingdom!

I can't believe I've been reading all these people calling him worse then Roose/Ramsay?! Seriously.

They could have gone back to Castle Black like Davos suggested, but no, obviously the only way was to burn a little kid.

Also, burning her doesn't help with the hunger problem. Unless they eat her after...

They didn't have enough food to get back to Castle Black, unless he just sent his family. Which still would of left him and his men to die.

Don't you have any faith in the lord of light!? I have to imagine there hunger problem will be over next ep, or the snow will atleast subside. Kings Blood/The Lord of Light are one of the few things in the show that actually seems to have real power

[Formalhaut]

They could have gone back to Castle Black like Davos suggested, but no, obviously the only way was to burn a little kid.

Also, burning her doesn't help with the hunger problem. Unless they eat her after...

I bet they're cursing the fact they didn't ask any local Thenns while they were back at Castle Black for cooking advice.

[Ayen]

Don't you have any faith in the lord of light!?

No.

[Formalhaut]

The only thing in Tyson's defense really is that they definitely could not winter in Castle Black. The summer was unusually long which means that Winter is going to be unusually long (and how!). Stannis and his army effectively had no choice but to march on through. They were stymied then, really. They could not winter in Castle Black because that would take such an absolute age as to make the entire trip pointless. And marching onward was a doomed journey as well.

Frankly I don't see why they couldn't just take some of Shireen's blood. If it is that potent surely would only need some of the stuff for some ritual. Gendry's blood proved rather effective after all.

[Tyson]

The only thing in Tyson's defense really is that they definitely could not winter in Castle Black. The summer was unusually long which means that Winter is going to be unusually long (and how!). Stannis and his army effectively had no choice but to march on through. They were stymied then, really. They could not winter in Castle Black because that would take such an absolute age as to make the entire trip pointless. And marching onward was a doomed journey as well.

Frankly I don't see why they couldn't just take some of Shireen's blood. If it is that potent surely would only need some of the stuff for some ritual. Gendry's blood proved rather effective after all.

You bring up a good point, I mean if three leaches full of blood can kill multiple people surely burning someone with Kings Blood has to have a much greater effect! Would be kind of lacklustre if all they get from such a huge sacrifice is melting the snow or feeding them for awhile.

I'm expecting fire and brimstone from the heavens!!

[Formalhaut]

Wait, wait, I don't support the whole 'burning of children' thing. What I meant to say, if three leeches worth of blood can do that much, then more blood can do... something more?

Melisandre really should have just stocked up vials of king's blood from Gendry while she had the chance.

[Psychotic]

The Lord of Light has been proven to have power. See: Renly being stabbed by a shadow baby, Melissandre being immune to poison and Thoros repeatedly bringing Beric Dondarrion back from the dead. You can also make a case for the burning of the leeches but that one is less obvious. I don't doubt that this sacrifice is going to work and Stannis will beat the Boltons now.

On that note, yes, I do think the Boltons are worse than Stannis. Ramsay is a sadist who actively enjoys cruelty for cruelty's sake and Roose isn't much better - see the story about him raping Ramsay's mother underneath the corpse of her husband which Roose hung for sport. Stannis legitimately believes that sacrificing his daughter who he loves - and I do think he loves her, that's why it's a sacrifice - is the only way to save the kingdom. I don't excuse what Stannis did at all because that was a vile and evil act of a fanatic (and I no longer want him on the Iron Throne!) but at least he has a motivation beyond "I like to hurt people 'cause it's fun". He's no Bolton.

[Ayen]

I don't care. I hope Stannis dies, which basically means he'll live for another season or two.

[Psychotic]

You're missing the point if you don't think I want Stannis to die :p Don't worry though, he's getting it. He's sealed his death warrant twice over now for kinslaying.

[Formalhaut]

I do wonder how this will go down into the wider story though. Stannis believes that he will win the support of the Northern bannermen, but once they hear he burned his own daughter alive they'll just think him as bad as the Boltons flaying their victims alive.

It will help in the short term, yes, but longer term Stannis will not warm himself to the Northern lords.

[Ayen]

I do wonder how this will go down into the wider story though. Stannis believes that he will win the support of the Northern bannermen, but once they hear he burned his own daughter alive they'll just think him as bad as the Boltons flaying their victims alive.

It will help in the short term, yes, but longer term Stannis will not warm himself to the Northern lords.

I was just thinking the same thing. Northerns are hard enough to get support from on an average day if you're not one yourself. Interested in Davos' reaction when he finds out. Things won't be pretty.

[Formalhaut]

Oh my Davos... his will be the fury. What makes it more tragic is that Davos almost sort of looked to Shireen as a surrogate daughter, in a way. Stannis was not unfeeling towards his daughter but found it hard to express emotion towards her due to his inability to just not be grumpy. Melisandre obviously thought the girl as a tool, and Selyse didn't much care for her either. It was really only Davos who showed Shireen any amount of affection.

Davos also lost his son remember, way back in the Blackwater. Davos understands intimately what it is like to lose a child. When he learns that Stannis just straight up sacrificed his own daughter for some Lord of Light that Davos is still skeptical of, I think all hell will break loose.

I can almost see Davos breaking off and forming his own army full of the Northern bannermen to fight Stannis himself. Davos is loyal, but I think the callous sacrifice of a child is a line for Davos.

[Loony BoB]

Stannis' own men didn't like what was happening. Not to the point of rising against him, certainly, but the mad king and Joffrey have seen the results of doing fucked up shit. It'll happen in a more carefully planned way.

[Shiny]

I disagree that there are no good characters. Jon smurfing Snow. He's legit one of the few people on this show that is probably still good hearted.

Also to those complaining as usual that's not how it happened in the book, this is the show not the books. They don't have to be exactly the same as it's an adaptation.

[Loony BoB]

There are actually quite a few good characters. If you mean alignment. Jon, Davos, Dany's crew, Varys, the remaining Starks, sexy Jesus, Gendry, Brienne, Pod, etc.

[Psychotic]

Sam and Gilly too! I wouldn't really call Dany and the gang good though. Let's not forget she crucified 163 random people and that's what led to the troutstorm she's dealing with in Meereen right now. I guess Missandei and Grey Worm are alright though. Also, who is sexy Jesus? If it's Dany's squeeze, that man is a sociopath. A sexy sociopath, yes, but a straight up killer. I wouldn't even say he's "good" in the same way that Jaime and the Hound are "good". He's the Essos version of Bronn.

[Formalhaut]

I really don't hope I said that there isn't any good characters. There are plenty of good characters left; the ones Loony BoB mentioned are all good examples. I would even be hesitant to mention Tyrion, in so far that while he is very clearly flawed, he is at least trying to do what is right. Life events have just made him embittered.

Stannis was an example of a character who was rising slowly to 'good alignment' and was at worst, neutral. It just shows that you can't always rely on characters to stay good, or stay bad. There is much grey area.

[Jinx]

I'm guessing Stannis did what he did partially because he's been fed bulltrout and now believes he's Azor Ahai. I've never liked Stannis. I've never understood why people do.

EDIT: Formy, I don't think he's every been good. I think you're getting confused since he's lawful. He's definitely always been lawful neutral, and this still falls under that, imo.

[blackmage_nuke]

It's weird how they were playing up the whole evil pedophile angle with Meryn Trant when in Westeros, ladies are encouraged to get married to whatever old man suits their agenda and start making children pretty much as soon as they get their period.

[Formalhaut]

EDIT: Formy, I don't think he's every been good. I think you're getting confused since he's lawful. He's definitely always been lawful neutral, and this still falls under that, imo.

In regard to Stannis, I'm probably inclined to agree. Maybe 'good' was too broad a term for me to use. But Stannis the majority of the season and the end of last season has been built up to be 'nicer' anyway. You are right, though.

[Shaibana]

that last scene really felt like '' Smurf y'all guys! im outta here!!''
i got so excited when i heard Drogon :3

I still cant stand it that the Unsullied are being defeated that easely.
they are suppose to be ruthless warmachines, but when it really comes to it seem to forget all the training and get killed by random ppl :S perhaps Danny should have pushed them to keep in shape.
im glad to see Jorah back in her favour <3 for as long as it will last :(

dammit Stannis... why? ;_; she was such a sweet girl.

p.s jinx! links us that Imgur thingy :D

[Psychotic]

It's weird how they were playing up the whole evil pedophile angle with Meryn Trant when in Westeros, ladies are encouraged to get married to whatever old man suits their agenda and start making children pretty much as soon as they get their period.Oh yeah, I hated that. Let's manufacture a cheap way to have you hate him! Could've made more about him killing Syrio or beating Sansa instead of that. Still, Mace the Ace and his world class singing for no apparent reason. God damn xD Can you imagine any of the other high lords like Tywin Lannister or Ned Stark doing that? Love it.

[blackmage_nuke]

Yea it feels like that they're trying to take away any morale ambiguity from Arya wanting to kill Meryn as though the audience doesn't have enough reasons to side with Arya. Before this you could at least argue he was following orders.

[Psychotic]

Yeah, it's why I've never really liked Arya's storyline, especially in the show. It's just a really damaged kid enacting one long revenge fantasy with little thought to either morality or consequences. There looked like a little bit of development when she took the Hound off her list but it never really went anywhere. Meryn Trant is evil therefore he must die! Go Arya! Mehhh.

[Mirage]

Ok, well. Melissandre is an actual witch, she fucking smiled as shireen burned.

It would be really amazing if this sacrifice didn't actually make things go better. It would be amusing to see how stannis reacted to that.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

Ok, well. Melissandre is an actual witch, she smurfing smiled as shireen burned.

It would be really amazing if this sacrifice didn't actually make things go better. It would be amusing to see how stannis reacted to that.

I was going to say something along those lines. This is when, when it's all said and done, the sacrifice ends up having no effect and Stannis' wife is just like, "Eh, actually you are not the father..." DUN DUN DUN!

[Jinx]

Everyone knows Patchface was Shireen's father.

[Goldenboko]

For all those troutting on the unsullied.

They are soldiers meant to fight side to side, shield to shield. They get slaughtered when they have no idea where their enemies are, but not the moment they get them in an organized circle they hold of like, what? 10, 20 times their numbers? without taking a casualty! so I thought it was a perfectly fine representation.


Ok, well. Melissandre is an actual witch, she fucking smiled as shireen burned.

It would be really amazing if this sacrifice didn't actually make things go better. It would be amusing to see how stannis reacted to that.

It probably will. In the books its pretty established she has power when dealing with Kings Blood.

[Freya]

In other news; Now that we don't have actual scenery shots, I feel like the Dorne plot line is being much more well acted. It's not as horribad. I believe I read the scenery shots were so bad because they had a shot time constraint on the location so they weren't able to film over and over to perfect things. Now that they are inside places, they don't have to actually be somewhere for that, it's going much more smoothly.

[Psychotic]

For all those troutting on the unsullied.

They are soldiers meant to fight side to side, shield to shield. They get slaughtered when they have no idea where their enemies are, but not the moment they get them in an organized circle they hold of like, what? 10, 20 times their numbers? without taking a casualty! so I thought it was a perfectly fine representation.
Unsullied battle tactics are based on the legions of the old Ghiscari Empire, involving large groups of them fighting in lock-step phalanxes using spear and shield, though they are also trained to use shortswords for close-quarters combat. :colbert:

Besides, a spearman with 15-20 years of training and is a hardened killer still doesn't die to random pampered rich kids regardless of formation :doublecolbert:

[Shorty]

Yeah, I don't buy the no close quarters. These guys are trained from young boys in the art of combat. They know close quarters trout.

[Goldenboko]

The point wasn't they can't fight close quarters its that it was chaos.

"battle tactics are based on the legions of the old Ghiscari Empire"

There was no battle, tactic, or legion going on. It was "Hey man these games are pretty brutal, whats going on down there? Did he just throw a spear into the stan- GLALALARLALGAKDFKASJKLGJALKMFKLSAMFSA" (his throat was cutoff mid sentence).

[Shorty]

Soldiers who can't fight amidst chaos don't belong in a legion.

[Freya]

Good thing she didn't pay for them now eh?

Although Drogon looked really spikey. I'm sure that was actually a painful ride Dany took.

[Pike]

I've reached a point with this show where nothing really shocks me anymore so it's not as fun. Stuff like Ned's death or the Red Wedding was genuinely shocking (and thus fun) but now it's just "Hmm I wonder what depressing thing will happen this week. Ho hum." Guess I'm just jaded now. Oh well. xD

[Formalhaut]

I'm not desensitized yet. I can understand people going "oh, what terrible tragedy will befall everyone this week?", but for me these events still cut pretty deep. I'm not crying or in anger over the events. I'm more winded. I did genuinely think they would spare Shireen. I just didn't think Stannis would be able to do it, which I guess is the beauty of the scene. Now that we've gone off-piste with the books, we can't even use them for guidance now.

The most shocking thing about the scene really was Queen Selyse. I know she was hardly mother of the year, but for her to finally realize, at the very end that her daughter was burning to death and to see her struggle against the guards. Now that was tough to watch as well. The one who seemed the most fanatical about the Lord of Light railed against this sacrifice.

[Pike]

Don't get me wrong; I still think the horrible stuff happening is horrible. But it used to be offset by being fun to watch. Now I don't even find it fun anymore.

[Freya]

I watched the "inside the episode" thing right and D&D say "When george told us about this scene" about the shireen part, as in, they didn't change his story we just haven't gotten to that point yet I'm assuming. Otherwise why would they say when George told them.

I bet he's writing it that way because he knew how much people started rooting for stannis and wanted to crush that because he's mean like that.

[Madame Adequate]

To use real-world evidence, the Greek phalanx formation (who fought essentially the same way the Unsullied do in formation) was utterly unbeatable for decades, except by another, better phalanx, which is one of the main reasons the nascent Kingdom of Rome adopted it. However, after awhile they found it wasn't working very well anymore - it doesn't matter if you've got twenty-year veterans of the Roman Army, if you don't have the right terrain and you either can't rely on, or don't have, the man to your right, you can't win the fights. Rome got consistently and repeatedly massacred in fighting Italy's hill tribes, primarily the Samnites.

This is what led the Roman Republic to take the Samnite formations for their own and refine them into the Manipular system that would serve the Legions so well for over two centuries. In a riotous situation like the one Boko is describing it's absolutely reasonable that the Unsullied would get smurfed up badly, and it would actually be the opposite which would be much more outrageous and hard to believe. Whenever the real world's closest equivalent of the Unsullied were unable to maintain their formations they got torn into pieces.

Anyway, Stannis, what? We've seen more than one occasion from him where the one thing he truly feels tenderness towards, the one area he lets himself feel emotions other than glowering anger, is Shireen. The whole point was that Stannis will do anything to win except this. If there's one line that he would absolutely never ever cross, it's that one. Last episode he barely restrained himself from caving in Mel's face when she brought it up. I mean, obviously I'm wrong and he would, but I don't know that me getting the impression was my failing so much as the writers'?

Mel doing it, sure, through trickery or when Stannis is busy or whatever else, and with Selyse's help, sure, but ugggghhh I don't even mind the thing itself just that it feels against both Stannis AND Selyse's characterization.

[Goldenboko]

At least somebody's got my back :colbert:

EDIT: As for Shireen, I didn't think it was out of character. Stannis is a man driven by duty and as I watched I felt it was killing him to do as well. I'm sure the sacrifice will allow Stannis to take Winterfell somehow, because Red God is hacks, but it's ultimately the point we can turn to as the death of Stannis. Doing this now will probably have Davos's faith be thrown into question and ultimately lead to Stannis's undoing.

[Psychotic]

The Unsullied aren't just trained in phalanx tactics though, they're trained in swordplay too. Regardless, I can believe them eating trout against a Dothraki horde or some Westerosi knights or Braavosi water dancers if they lose formation. What I don't smurfing believe is them losing to the Sons of the Harpy who are trained in smurf all and don't even have armour. Seasoned combat veterans who have been trained as soldiers day-in day-out with better equipment do not lose to a bunch of rich kids in masks who have never killed anyone, never fought a day in their lives or done any sort of hard work at all. Not buying it.

[Shorty]

That entire scene was nonsense. The harpies came at the group one at a time - why do that when they clearly outnumbered and surrounded Danaerys' team? Daario would take on one while they all stood around. It was poorly coordinated and unnatural for everyone to be so still. And then Danaerys was smurfing around with Drogon and could have had him killed by distracting him from saving everyone else as he was doing by lighting up the Harpies. It should have been another Blackwater in that pit while a couple of them tried to smuggle Danaerys out of harm's way.

I really enjoyed Jorah's redemption, but I kindof don't understand how Danaerys flip-flopped so strongly. What happened to make her change her stance on him since the last time she saw him? Certainly if it's something as much as showing unfaltering devotion, his last appearance should have made her stop in her tracks and hold her breath like that when he returned with Tyrion. Why this time? It didn't make sense to me.

I'm all for it because I love Jorah more as time goes on but why did that happen

[Goldenboko]

I love how everyone is suddenly an expert an how to charge at men with spears :exdee:

[Shorty]

I can charge at you with a spear and you can tell me how expert I am if you'd like!

[Psychotic]

I love how everyone is suddenly an expert an how to charge at men with spears :exdee:That's the point, we're just as expert as the Sons of the Harpy are!

[Goldenboko]

I love how everyone is suddenly an expert an how to charge at men with spears :exdee:That's the point, we're just as expert as the Sons of the Harpy are!

GoT is pretty bad at showing the passage of time. They've been in Mareen for a while by that point. Killings started with civilians, then escalated. If there's anything we should have learned from modern history is that a rebellious population gets more and more cunning and dangerous as time goes on.

Lets not forget that Mareen is pretty much GoT Iraq. :P

[Madame Adequate]

Because you did not belong across the world with the bloody stone-men, you are the princess Shireen of the House Baratheon and you are my daughter.

There was nothing that ever indicated this was anything but 100% heartfelt and sincere. If he'd said this in Season 2 and turned around now fine, but he said it last week.

Also it doesn't matter how good you are if you're tremendously outnumbered by a baying mob! Barristan Selmy, Jaime Lannister, and Ser Arthur Dayne wouldn't be able to. The Sons of the Harpy are absolute fanatics and this is their Make Or Break play, they'll totally have plenty of kids willing to throw themselves onto Unsullied blades for victory, and no matter how good you are, exhaustion, chaos, and force of numbers will wear you down and defeat you.

[Psychotic]

Daario Naharis and a wounded Jorah Mormont were able to though :colbert:

[Rantz]

Shireen's helpless screaming made me cry.

Like some others, I'm also annoyed with the cheap antagonisation of Meryn Trant. The moral ambiguity of Arya's storyline is, more than anything else, what makes it interesting.

Dorne is still meh but at least there was a little bit of story progression instead of just tits this time.

Last scene. Was a bit of a nailbiter. I was fully ready for someone important to die, but I didn't think it'd be Hizdahr. Oh well.

I think we're in for a hell of a finale.

[Pike]

I love how everyone is suddenly an expert an how to charge at men with spears :exdee:

Huxley actually has a Master's in charging at men with spears, though :doublecolbert:

[Ayen]

Only thing I was thinking about during the Meryn Trant's scene was that Arya was going to go in there dressed like a whore and kill him in his room. Yup, that's what happening.

I thought the final scene with the Harpy and Drogan was great, but goddammit, why do people always have to choose the middle of a battle to have a touching moment? WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE SAFE GODDAMN YOU YOU'RE GONNA GET HIM--! -Drogan gets stabbed- Ya see? Ya see what happened? THAT'S YOUR FAULT!

[Mirage]

I love how everyone is suddenly an expert an how to charge at men with spears :exdee:That's the point, we're just as expert as the Sons of the Harpy are!

GoT is pretty bad at showing the passage of time. They've been in Mareen for a while by that point. Killings started with civilians, then escalated. If there's anything we should have learned from modern history is that a rebellious population gets more and more cunning and dangerous as time goes on.

Lets not forget that Mareen is pretty much GoT Iraq. :P
Then the dragons are gunships?

[blackmage_nuke]

Unmanned drones

[Madame Adequate]

Given their power they're more like aircraft carriers. They can level anything and the only thing that can stop them is another one of the same, or something super sneaky. Drogon's still a tiny adolescent, but he was able to deal with dozens of Sons of the Harpy before Dany began to worry. Fully grown, Balerion the Black Dread was absolutely titanic. Or I guess they're like roving reusable nukes!

Anyway, now that I've actually got around the watching the episode, I have to say that the criticisms about the Unsullied were completely insane. Every one we see get killed here does so because they're thronged by people or attacked by multiple people at once. They're trained in swordsmanship? Well maybe that would be useful if they had swords, but they're clearly committed to the spear-and-shield setup. Daario and Jorah did better because what they had to hand was much better suited for more chaotic fighting and neither of them were swarmed among the crowds in the first place - they started out with a little space and were able to maintain it. The Unsullied who managed the same also did perfectly well, but if you've got a spear you're going to have a hard time with multiple assailants.

Furthermore, given the Sons of the Harpy are from the wealthy families, they've got the resources to get some training, and some probably already had a bit, in fighting. With this big plan in the works I'm sure many of them got at least some practice in swinging a sword, and that plus numbers makes it perfectly believable to me that they could have achieved exactly what they did achieve.

So anyway, milsperging done, let's talk about Shireen. Basically, I return to my previous point. Yes Stannis was obviously not happy about what he was doing, but I feel entirely unconvinced by his actions. I don't know if it's because it's just not convincing that he would ever do this ever, or if it's because the show just didn't actually manage to convey how dire the situation was (They spoke of it but aside from being cold while lining up for soup, we never really saw things getting bad. Show us people starving, men killing each other over scraps of bread, talk of cannibalism - then it might be believable), but it just didn't work for me. Mel, sure, I can believe she'd do it, she'd do anything she thinks the Lord of Light wants. Selyse? Well, I'll retract my thoughts on her a little, I guess no matter what you think it's going to be hard for a mother to watch her child burned alive.

But Stannis? Last episode was a culmination of him showing that there is a mote of tenderness within him and that he's not completely iron. They failed to convince me that this was a reversal of that - it felt like a bait-and-switch to say "Fuck you" to anyone who respected Stannis even if they didn't like him. It was too abrupt and too radical a shift from a man who was very, very stern and uncompromising, but ultimately just. He was willing to sacrifice Gendry and I didn't like that at all, but for all intents and purposes Gendry was just some random commoner, Stannis has led thousands of them to their deaths. He assassinated Renly, but Renly was his antagonist in a war and Renly's death immediately ended that war. This was pretty different, she was kin, daughter, and by no means an enemy. But Dany had more compunction and hesitation about starting a fight between two people she's never met and believes are there willingly than Stannis did about having his own daughter burned alive.

I didn't enjoy the scene. That's not necessarily a criticism, you're not meant to enjoy a scene like that. But if a scene or show or movie is hard to watch, it has to be in service of something. Even the Sansa rape business had a purpose to it, even where people think that was misguided. This? This felt like they sat down and said "Hey how can we make sure people know this is Game of Thrones? I know! Let's burn alive one of the few truly good, kind, uncorrupted and innocent characters in the entire setting!" and ran with it for shock value or something. I know GRRM was behind this, and that doesn't change my criticism.

Maybe he'll be abandoned by his entire army for kinslaying but I don't know, GoT's hewing to 'realism' in that people don't always get their comeuppance and justice isn't always served kind of weakens the storytelling because those conventions are sort of what all stories are ultimately based on. Relentless tragedy, suffering, and evil... well, paraphrasing Tyrion, there's enough of that in the real world so I don't really need quite THIS MUCH of it in my leisure.

[Ayen]

I agree with everything Mister Adequate said. Give him a cookie.

[escobert]

psy sexy Jesus is the Braavos death cult guy I'd guess :p

[Raistlin]

Huxley: I don't know if you're saying "last week" and "last episode" as intentional hyperbole, but the touching scene between Stannis and Shireen regarding her disease was over a month ago in episode 4, unless you're thinking of some other scene. And if you didn't watch that scene with a mixture of feels and horrible foreboding, I'm not sure what show you've been watching. EDIT: I just realized the scene you are probably talking about is where Stannis originally refuses to kill his daughter, duh. My apologies, I am tired and dumb. But that also set up what his choice would be. EDIT2: Hah, I was right the first time!

And I will be the first to say that I was furious with Stannis for murdering his daughter, and I hope he dies just after killing the Boltons, but I think you're allowing your personal dislike of it to color your analysis. The claim that Shireen's death was purposeless is just clearly wrong; it dramatically changes everyone's perception of Stannis, who until now was actually almost a "good guy" for the rest of the season. And it will likely end up with some ridiculous deus ex machina magic against Bolton and Winterfell. Even after that, it's a glaring crack in his integrity and righteousness that will likely end up with unpredictable consequences once Davos returns.

I also disagree that it wasn't developed at all. Stannis when desperate is dramatically different than Stannis in fair weather. In fair weather, Stannis turns away from Mel and listens to Davos. When desperate, Stannis leeched and was going to kill Gendry. And I thought it, or at least the choice Stannis would have to make, was also foreshadowed by the original touching scene between Stannis and Shireen. I suppose the army could have starved a little longer, but the show made fairly clear that there was a negligible chance of even surviving at that point. I do wish he had seemed to struggle more, but that is largely from my residual positive feelings towards him.

You also use "shock value" as if that is a bad thing or something not worth considering in a show, which just confuses me.

For the record, I do largely agree with you about the Unsullied, though it's a stupid decision on their part to only carry spears while guarding a city with narrow alleys and small spaces, where they frequently patrol in small groups.

[Jinx]

Yeah, you'd think they'd learn after their first massacre when Barry died.

[Shiny]

There are actually quite a few good characters. If you mean alignment. Jon, Davos, Dany's crew, Varys, the remaining Starks, sexy Jesus, Gendry, Brienne, Pod, etc.

Sexy Jesus indeed.

[Madame Adequate]

Huxley: I don't know if you're saying "last week" and "last episode" as intentional hyperbole, but the touching scene between Stannis and Shireen regarding her disease was over a month ago in episode 4, unless you're thinking of some other scene. And if you didn't watch that scene with a mixture of feels and horrible foreboding, I'm not sure what show you've been watching.

Christ, I just checked and you were right, I honestly thought it was in one of the last couple of episodes. Well, still, it was set up as a pretty touching moment and I got absolutely no foreboding from it. I just now rewatched it on YouTube. It's touching and sweet and nothing about it indicates anything except Stannis' total and absolute love for his daughter.


And I will be the first to say that I was furious with Stannis for murdering his daughter, and I hope he dies just after killing the Boltons, but I think you're allowing your personal dislike of it to color your analysis. The claim that Shireen's death was purposeless is just clearly wrong; it dramatically changes everyone's perception of Stannis, who until now was actually almost a "good guy" for the rest of the season. And it will likely end up with some ridiculous deus ex machina magic against Bolton and Winterfell. Even after that, it's a glaring crack in his integrity and righteousness that will likely end up with unpredictable consequences once Davos returns.

Eeehhhh I don't know, it's true that Davos is now possibly a wildcard, but this isn't a show where people get justice. Sometimes bad people do things to worse people, sometimes reasonably good people do things to bad people, but the Boltons and Freys haven't suffered as a result of their crimes despite what Bran was saying about the Rat King. If they get into trouble it won't be as a result of the Red Wedding as such, it will be as a result of them being in the way of other people, particularly Stannis and Littlefinger. How they got in the way is irrelevant, and it's not like Stannis is going to come up with some kind of worse double-burning for them because of their betrayal of a guest.

Justice, when it occurs, is incidental. Tyrion didn't kill Tywin for justice, it was because of a lifetime of abuse and hatred. Joffrey's death wasn't about justice, though admittedly Olenna's complicity was due to Joffrey's actions and reputation. Littlefinger would still have found a way though. Cersei's current situation isn't about justice, it's because of her own hubris in empowering a group she thought she could easily control. So unless Davos actually does shove a sword into Stannis, and I think that's highly unlikely, I'm not at all convinced that Stannis' actions will have much negative impact on his campaigns or his rule, should he win.


I also disagree that it wasn't developed at all. Stannis when desperate is dramatically different than Stannis in fair weather. In fair weather, Stannis turns away from Mel and listens to Davos. When desperate, Stannis leeched and was going to kill Gendry. And I thought it, or at least the choice Stannis would have to make, was also foreshadowed by the same touching scene you mentioned. I suppose the army could have starved a little longer, but the show made fairly clear that there was a negligible chance of even surviving at that point. I do wish he had seemed to struggle more, but that is largely from my residual positive feelings towards him.

He was incredibly torn about killing Gendry though, and it took a long long time for Mel to convince him of it. Granted, the proof that Kingsblood has power is now something he believes to be true because two of the leech targets are dead, but still, it really did feel like a radical departure from before. I can see the intended logic being that he's willing to make this sacrifice for the good of the realm or the destiny he believes he must fulfill, but to me the show didn't spend nearly enough time making him wrestle with the decision to actually do it. But then if we differ in interpretation over the scene in E4, it may influence how we see this episode quite drastically.


You also use "shock value" as if that is a bad thing or something not worth considering in a show, which just confuses me.

Shock value rarely has value on its own. Something shocking can be tremendous - it can be provocative and even socially important. Comedy seems to do this best, look at Monty Python's The Life Of Brian for a stellar example of what I mean. Sometimes, shock for its own sake can also be important if it challenges beliefs and mores and suchlike. A Clockwork Orange is probably a foremost example of that. But shock has to be doing something other than just shocking, or it has to be saying something with the shock. What was that scene, what was Stannis' decision saying? To me it said... they want us to remember this is GoT and we'll do horrible things to characters you love.


For the record, I do largely agree with you about the Unsullied, though it's a stupid decision on their part to only carry spears while guarding a city with narrow alleys and small spaces, where they frequently patrol in small groups.

Totally agree that they need to actually change their weapons. I get the impression they're mostly in positions of control where their existing setup works (As when the huge riot broke out when Dany had that one guy executed) or are there to show Dany's power rather than actually fight, which is what their presence in the arena was all about. They probably need to start carrying shortswords around with them as well! The ones still alive, that is.

[Ayen]

The problem with shock value in Game of Thrones is that they rely on it to the point where people just roll their eyes and groan when it's used again.

[Mr. Carnelian]

I know some people are "shocked" by what Stannis did, but it is COMPLETELY in-keeping with all of his actions up to this point.

He's been using dark magic and killing members of his family to get what he wants from Day One.

I always disliked him: I knew he was a wrong-'un right from the get-go.

It's like Varys said way back: you can't trust a man who depends on dark magic.

[Pike]

For me it's not that shock value is bad, it's that it's become uninteresting to me because it's been happening for so long. Watching this show has become a chore for me and I think I might be done after this season. Sorry guys. :shobon: Certainly not the first time I've gotten bored with a show and quit. I do still plan on reading the books though.

[Psychotic]

Watching this show has become a chore for me and I think I might be done after this season. Sorry guys. :shobon: I WILL NEVER ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY

[Ayen]

Watching this show has become a chore for me and I think I might be done after this season. Sorry guys. :shobon: I WILL NEVER ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY

It's too late to apologize! Too late...!

[Cuchulainn]

I just came in here to tell you all to stop fucking hating on Stannis you bunch of tweezer-wanks. He's the best thing in the books and I could not give a four fingered fuck about Dany and her fucking dinosaurs and her no-dicked army.

I, too might be waving goodbye to the show after this season. It's fucking terrible. One good episode a season is not enough. Book diversions are not always bad. These ones are. Also the plot holes, handswavings, and scenes that just lack complete sense (plz see Jon showing up at the wrong side of the fucking wall despite being on fucking boats to fucking Eastwatch for details) made for dramatic pauses are too much for me.


Also, you're all complete twats.

[Formalhaut]

64692

Mr. Carnelian's commentary of the last scene is just adorable.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Mr. Carnelian's commentary of the last scene is just adorable.

But you missed out the best bit!
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[Freya]

http://i.imgur.com/Bugk3oY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MXYDDqw.jpg

new tl;dw (http://imgur.com/a/8k6ky)

[Shaibana]

Watching this show has become a chore for me and I think I might be done after this season. Sorry guys. :shobon: I WILL NEVER ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY

It's too late to apologize! Too late...!

get the hell out of here, you heathen!!
how dare you stop watching this show!!

[escobert]

I just came in here to tell you all to stop fucking hating on Stannis you bunch of tweezer-wanks. He's the best thing in the books and I could not give a four fingered fuck about Dany and her fucking dinosaurs and her no-dicked army.

I, too might be waving goodbye to the show after this season. It's fucking terrible. One good episode a season is not enough. Book diversions are not always bad. These ones are. Also the plot holes, handswavings, and scenes that just lack complete sense (plz see Jon showing up at the wrong side of the fucking wall despite being on fucking boats to fucking Eastwatch for details) made for dramatic pauses are too much for me.


Also, you're all complete twats.
srsly wtf was up with that!? Oh we decided to dock early because we love walking in the snow with WW around!

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aqNvp3L_700b.jpg

[Formalhaut]

I am REALLY going to miss the interactions between Davos and Shireen.

[Cuchulainn]

srsly wtf was up with that!? Oh we decided to dock early because we love walking in the snow with WW around!

"Anywhere here will do mate. Yea just drop us off at the side of the wall where the zombies and scary white bastards are please. Nah, don't be daft no need to go to Eastwatch, don't want to put you out. Sure the walk will do us good. Anywhere past those shambling corpses and decapitated loved ones will do. All the best. I hope they let us through. HAHAHA I'm kidding I'm sure they will they love us there."

[theundeadhero]

After Roose and his men burned most of the supplies in the camp, Stannis had two choices: burn his daughter at the stake and hope for a miracle from the red god, or watch every follower and family member he had die anyway. He didn't have enough food to feed his army or supplies to keep them warm after they were destroyed in the fire. Weapons that he needed for his attack on Winterfell were destroyed. If he tried to go back to the wall his whole army, including Shireen, would die. If he pushed on to Winterfell his whole army, including Shireen, would die. If he stayed where he was his whole army, including Shireen, would die. No matter how bad he felt about it, burning his daughter was his only choice, other then thousand of other people dying too. The show made that clear enough if you payed attention to what they said.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/agvR9Ew_700b.jpg

[Shiny]

For me it's not that shock value is bad, it's that it's become uninteresting to me because it's been happening for so long. Watching this show has become a chore for me and I think I might be done after this season. Sorry guys. :shobon: Certainly not the first time I've gotten bored with a show and quit. I do still plan on reading the books though.
It was a chore the first half of the season, but it's gotten more interesting and I look forward to seeing how things progress, however they need to stop having so many filler episodes.

[Ergroilnin]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/agvR9Ew_700b.jpg

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[Freya]

I love me some J-Bear. He's my favorite show character. He's okay in the books but I love his portrayal in the show. I didn't switch to a jbear sig this year but yeah, he's my fav. Pooh bear :3

[Shorty]

I don't get how people can say they're going to stop watching when we have episodes like Hardhome in our midst and future.

[Ayen]

OMG the Dark Knight and Mad Max references are perfect. As for my favorites:

http://i.imgur.com/SMxw5g6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ukV11co.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KXHr9OX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8i3Vqpj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Rr9Gyud.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gBPNujO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ufXoOK2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mrBgGOq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Ha7ZEz2.jpg

These are always so spot on. Rambo interference is now canon.

[Formalhaut]

Aha, Dany and Missandei is hilarious.

[Bubba]

I watched the most recent episode! Yey!

However, this is the wrong thread in which to be two days late watching an aired episode. It took me longer to read the last two days comments than it did watching season five so far...

[Jinx]

Aaaaaaaaaaah. Just watched this week's episode! Last week's episode was so bad, but this one was amaaaaaaazing. That final scene, my god.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Aha, Dany and Missandei is hilarious.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10559713_10155760593265096_8121712476491180347_n.jpg?oh=9e7aef02ee88c2a40efeb03c7fb09246&oe=5634151C

[Formalhaut]

That last image of Missandei just standing there alone is priceless. Also, if I recall correctly, wasn't Missandei forgotten about by Jorah and Daario when all hell broke loose and didn't Tyrion have to save her?

[Mr. Carnelian]

That last image of Missandei just standing there alone is priceless. Also, if I recall correctly, wasn't Missandei forgotten about by Jorah and Daario when all hell broke loose and didn't Tyrion have to save her?

I know, right?
It's like no-one even cares that she exists.

[Formalhaut]

Grey Worm cares!

Actually, on the topic of Missandei and Grey Worm's budding relationship, what do you think of them both? I think it is really sweet! Which probably means one or both of them dying a horrible death at some point in the future.

[Freya]

Well after being obsessed with grey worm as a artist for the past week, I am now firmly in the camp of grey worm deserves everything. Even missandei cuddles.

[Mr. Carnelian]

We haven't seen much of Grey Worm for a few episodes.
I hope the writers haven't forgotten about him.

[Formalhaut]

We haven't seen much of Grey Worm for a few episodes.
I hope the writers haven't forgotten about him.

Well he does have 'Grey' in his name...

http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/list/a8cae6adb6d8c57c0dbbfd7a2d9457f5c0a6a828.jpg

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I had a (pretty terrible) string of thoughts.

The camera lingered on Dany taking Jorah's bare hand, then later lingered on Dany holding Missandei's hand. What if Dany can't contract grey scale because of Dragon/Valyrian something or other, but she can pass it on like an STD.

Not betting on it, but I thought it would be interesting. This falls flat because I think she'd never be able to touch anyone again, and that's not happening.

[Ayen]

Grey Worm cares!

Actually, on the topic of Missandei and Grey Worm's budding relationship, what do you think of them both? I think it is really sweet! Which probably means one or both of them dying a horrible death at some point in the future.

I find it forced and can't get behind it.


I had a (pretty terrible) string of thoughts.

The camera lingered on Dany taking Jorah's bare hand, then later lingered on Dany holding Missandei's hand. What if Dany can't contract grey scale because of Dragon/Valyrian something or other, but she can pass it on like an STD.

Not betting on it, but I thought it would be interesting. This falls flat because I think she'd never be able to touch anyone again, and that's not happening.

I hope something like that is what they're building up to and having Jorah touch her hand wasn't just an oversight.

[Psychotic]

It was Jorah's other hand.

[Ayen]

It was Jorah's other hand.

I-I knew that. I totally knew that.

DON'T LOOK AT ME! -hides face-

[Freya]

Yah his left is infected. He grabbed her with his right.

[Jinx]

Does it actually matter?

I, too, thought they're setting it up for some Grey Scale plague.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aB3Deg1_700b_v1.jpg


http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aXp8DEz_700b_v1.jpg

[Ergroilnin]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aB3Deg1_700b_v1.jpg


http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aXp8DEz_700b_v1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/126068/3778659-43763986.jpg

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I think it's still unclear how much the grey scale has spread during this episode.

I suppose i'm using zombie logic. If someone bites you, you'll get infected whether or not their infection was on their leg or close to their face. For grey scale, you have to be touched very close to an infected area?

[Ergroilnin]

I think it's still unclear how much the grey scale has spread during this episode.

I suppose i'm using zombie logic. If someone bites you, you'll get infected whether or not their infection was on their leg or close to their face. For grey scale, you have to be touched very close to an infected area?

Well I certainly was surprised with the touch and what it might mean but as it was pointed out, he touched her with his still healthy hand and I do remember reading online (I am still not at that point in the books, i'm a slow reader :p) that cutting off the infected limb has a decent chance of stopping the infection so I guess that with Jorah being infected on the one hand not really a long time ago, touching his other hand is probably still safe. And then there is the thing that Dany is magically protected from half the trout going around because even while GoT is GoT, she is and will be one of the main characters and she just most likely won't die. At least not in this "takes a long time" to die way.

[Shaibana]

I think it's still unclear how much the grey scale has spread during this episode.

I suppose i'm using zombie logic. If someone bites you, you'll get infected whether or not their infection was on their leg or close to their face. For grey scale, you have to be touched very close to an infected area?

Well I certainly was surprised with the touch and what it might mean but as it was pointed out, he touched her with his still healthy hand and I do remember reading online (I am still not at that point in the books, i'm a slow reader :p) that cutting off the infected limb has a decent chance of stopping the infection so I guess that with Jorah being infected on the one hand not really a long time ago, touching his other hand is probably still safe. And then there is the thing that Dany is magically protected from half the trout going around because even while GoT is GoT, she is and will be one of the main characters and she just most likely won't die. At least not in this "takes a long time" to die way.

Stannis did explain it a couple of episodes back, but how did he prevent Shireen from becomming stone? some kind of magic, right?

[Ayen]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aXp8DEz_700b_v1.jpg

I shouldn't have laughed at that, but I did, and now I'm going to hell.

[Formalhaut]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aXp8DEz_700b_v1.jpg

I shouldn't have laughed at that, but I did, and now I'm going to hell.

Room for one more?

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a1YpONP_700b.jpg
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a0YvdEX_700b.jpg

on topic:
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[Ergroilnin]

One "thinking about it too hard" idea appeared to me.

The disease is spread by touch right?

The two possibilities are really that either the actually touched area gets infected and the slowly grows from there or that once you get infected, you are infected completely, just the symptoms don't show on the whole body at once.

So, if it's the first possibility, why doesn't rest of the body (like the other hand) get infected when he touches the infected area? And if it is the second, well it seems like Dany is fucked unless magic plot :p

[theundeadhero]

Because he didn't touch the infected area he touched the outside of his shirt. It's flimsy compared to modern medical science, but good enough for a fantasy story.

[Marshall Banana]

I don't know about you guys, but I think I'll need to binge on something cute and wholesome -- like Sailor Moon -- after Sunday's finale. :shobon:

This season, man...
I felt a little sick during last week's episode. First time ever.

[Ayen]

I'm guessing Cersei's naked walk of shame is going to be this Sunday. Had a feeling they'd save it until the Season Finale.

Remember to spoiler tag things! -Psy

[Psychotic]

There's been a leak from the finale that, if true, is the biggest smurfing thing. The "Previously on Game of Thrones" featured somebody that's not been seen for a while. No, not Lady Lameheart. Better. watch it right here first and then come and read my next spoiler. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1btOBSM9mrk&ab_)smurf ME YES. I hope this is real. I would also place good money on Benjen knowing Jon Snow's parentage too! Is the reveal coming?!

[Mirage]

so it's bran or no-nuts? :p

[Shauna]

Anyone who wasn't expecting Shireen to go was ignoring all the flagrant death flags. :(

[Shaibana]

Anyone who wasn't expecting Shireen to go was ignoring all the flagrant death flags. :(

we are all naive enough to say: 'but.. naah, it wont happen ;_; dont let it happen. we dont want it to happen!'

[Ayen]

Ramsay got just as many death flags, but I bet you he survives.

Stannis: You're my daughter and I love ya.
Shireen: I'm gonna die, aren't I?
Stannis: Go to your room.

Roose: You're my son and I like you okay.
Ramsay: I'm gonna die, aren't I?
Roose: Go to your room.

On a completely separate note:

GRRM: Hm. I'm almost done with A Song of Ice and Fire. Would be a real dick move to die right now. Ugh... Ugh... UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH!
:zombie:

[Shiny]

so it's bran or no-nuts? :p

I miss Bran Flakes.

[Freya]

They ended it and I don't know what will happen to Jon just like the book. And I thought maybe they would give a hint but the didn't and now I don't know. I am not in the know now so arrrghhhh I feel like a TV only watcher now

Boyfriend's reaction: Argggh. I want to punch GRRM in the dick. I'm done. I'm so fucking done. This is a stupid show. I'm not watching this next season. I'm fucking done with this show. They killed Jon and left those sick flayed guys alive. What the fuck. And watch danys gonna get raped. That's how this show is. And I won't have any favorite characters now so fuck this show. I'm done.

I'm so amused at him.

[Shiny]

I saw the Jon and Cersei thing coming because it was spoiled by shitty book readers, but I was still not ready for it mentally and emotionally. I felt sorry for Cersei up until her evil smile when she encountered her new Frankenstein Mountain.

Also Wtf happened to Arya. Can Jon be brought back by the witch or something and is it just me or did his eyes get lighter this season? I don't know, it's strange. And Theon FINALLY! Also I like their Assassin's Creed jump. Olly is a little bitch.

Drogo sucks once again. Way to go by bringing her to a place with several he men who will yes most likely rape her, but let's hope not because this show has had enough of that.

[theundeadhero]

Arya was blinded as punishment for her failings.

[Ayen]

Welp, it's a good thing Stannis sacrificed his daughter to the Lord of Light so he could beat the Boltons for sure because god hax. All hail the Lord of Light! :grover:

Oh, wait. That's not what happened.

That's not what happened at all :smug:

[FFIX Choco Boy]

So, I think I'm pretty much done with GoT, now. In the immortal words of Black Mage Evilwizardington, "That's it, I've had enough. This whole goddamn adventure has been nothing but pointless build ups toward pay offs that never happen." Nobody wins, there's 0 overarching story going on anymore, everyone is just dying. That's it. It's seriously been 100% pointless now to include the story of the Watch, Stannis Baratheon, and probably soon to be Danaerys for any reasons. Seriously. Their entire arcs were just Chekov's Guns.

[Shorty]

Can Jon be brought back by the witch or something and is it just me or did his eyes get lighter this season? I don't know, it's strange.

It seems like it might be an explanation for why Melisandre was spared and why she betrayed Stannis on his march to the Boltons. I can't think of any other reason why she would have needed to still be alive.

I have hope for Jon. He can't be dead. Melisandre showed up there just in time to finally do some smurfing good even though she should burn for what she did to Shireen. She'd better rectify it quick or I will riot. Why else would the story have moved her there and abandoned Stannis, who she's stuck with through thick and thin? If she didn't abandon him after Blackwater but abandoned him now, it must have been for some even more serious trout. aka Jon Snow Will Reign

Those little fuckers with their Benjen Stark nonsense! Whoever put that together in the Previously On must have thought themselves so clever.

[Psychotic]

Dunno, kind of a boring episode. Not much really happens in this show.

[Ayen]

I disagree, I loved this episode. Stannis got his just deserts, Theon finally stood up for himself, Myrcelle got poisoned, Arya crossed a name off her list and went blind, Cersei's walk of shame, Jon being stabbed. There was a lot of give and take this episode depending on who you liked/didn't like. I can see why one would be disappointed with how short the battle between the Boltons and Stannis was after all that buildup, but ehh, I never cared much for it, personally.

[Shorty]

Yes, I was disappointed with the cut to the very smurfing end of the battle between Stannis and the Boltons. I've been waiting for that trout since I finished the books and I feel robbed and cheated! It was fucking nonsense.

Could have had a good two solid minutes of battle time instead of checking out Cersei's bits up and down King's Landing for as long as we did.

[Psychotic]

Those little smurfers with their Benjen Stark nonsense! Whoever put that together in the Previously On must have thought themselves so clever.I know :colbert: I want to "for the watch" them for that! That aside, great episode, great show.

Melissandre, do the voodoo you do.

[Shorty]

"for the watch" them all for using Benjen as bait!

[Ayen]

My mom was not happy with that ending.

She was a super Benjen fan and they gave her false hope!

Okay, no. It was because of Jon.

[Psychotic]

Also, I didn't think Thorne would do Jon in and I'm mildly disappointed that he did. I mean, obviously they were building it up all season for Olly to do it but I thought that'd be a great juxtaposition - the loyal squire betrays him while the dickhead jerkass would be like "NO WHAT ARE YOU DOING" would've been good but hey ho. Also, man, say what you want about Jon but he's pretty good at taking stab wounds. He took what, four and was still standing and able to talk?

Also also, those dumbasses didn't burn his body.

[Ayen]

Curious to see where Jon character goes from here if they do bring him back. I mean, he obviously isn't gonna be able to stay at Castle Black. They'd just kill him again.

I have a strong hunch Stannis is still alive, too, since they didn't show him being off'd. Stannis Redemption plot for Season 6?

Did Sansa and Theon make it? I mean, they jumped a higher distance than that crazy bitch fell. What's gonna happen to Dany? Will Tyrion fix the problems in Meereen? Will Cersei get to kill that smurfing nun? Will there be war with Dorne? What the hell happened to the Tyrells?

FIND OUT NEXT YEAR MOTHER SMURFER!

I'm not sure if I'll survive the wait.

[Psychotic]

Curious to see where Jon character goes from here if they do bring him back. I mean, he obviously isn't gonna be able to stay at Castle Black. They'd just kill him again.Bad news about that I'm afraid. http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview

[Ayen]

...............................

Well, smurf.

Wait, no. Don't buy it.

Or maybe I do.

Eeh, I'll just assume he's dead. Can Season 6 open up with the White Walkers killing everyone at Castle Black?

[Shorty]

Curious to see where Jon character goes from here if they do bring him back. I mean, he obviously isn't gonna be able to stay at Castle Black. They'd just kill him again.

I have a strong hunch Stannis is still alive, too, since they didn't show him being off'd. Stannis Redemption plot for Season 6?

Did Sansa and Theon make it? I mean, they jumped a higher distance than that crazy bitch fell. What's gonna happen to Dany? Will Tyrion fix the problems in Meereen? Will Cersei get to kill that smurfing nun? Will there be war with Dorne? What the hell happened to the Tyrells?

FIND OUT NEXT YEAR MOTHER SMURFER!

I'm not sure if I'll survive the wait.

It would be a good time to read the books while you wait.

Also, I cheered aloud when Theon shunted Miranda off the wall. That was awesome.

[Night Fury]

Jon is not dead he's coming back fuck this show man fuck it's life.

[blackmage_nuke]

Is kings landing still poor and starving? Im just wondering because people were throwing lettuce

[Pheesh]

Probably, but how many chances are you gonna get to throw lettuce at the naked queen mother?

[Psychotic]

I've made a handy "Are they dead?" guide.

Dead
Myranda
Myrcella
Meryn Trant
Melyse. I mean Selyse.

Not dead, except on the inside
Sansa
Theon
Stannis (didn't see it, tree went THUNK not SQUISH)
Jaqen

Undead
The Mountain
Beric Dondarrion
The Night's King
Jon Snow

I wish they were smurfing dead
Olly
Anyone with the surname Sand
Anyone with the surname Bolton
Olly again. smurf Olly.

They may as well be dead because we're never seeing them again despite what lying "Previously on..." would have you believe not that I'm bitter about being naive, gullible and building my hopes up or anything
Benjen Stark
Gendry
Balon Greyjoy
Brotherhood Without Banners

[Shiny]

I'm not really concerned about Jon because I have a sneaking suspicion he will be brought back and most likely be a darker version than he was much like a certain Lady. Either that or the Red Witch will save him before he bleeds to death. She did have an interest in him before. I think the former is more likely. Also it's really weird that before the episode even started I had a vision that Jon would die looking up to the sky and bleeding out. Maybe because that's an insanely cliche death for a hero? Those religious people are totally dead and I'm okay with that.

[Formalhaut]

Stannis (didn't see it, tree went THUNK not SQUISH)

If Stannis is alive, I can only imagine it is because Brienne would think that Renly would rather his brother alive than dead. In that case, the THUNK that was made may have been Brienne hitting the tree instead of Stannis's head. But that is literally only conjecture.

I think Melisandre knew when she met Jon that he was the true chosen one, and therefore everything that she did after this, like burning Shireen (knowing it would cause the troops to lose moral and flee) and fleeing back to Castle Black was all to ensure Stannis's defeat and Jon's acknowledgement of the chosen one. Not sure if she anticipated Jon getting betrayed, but nothing some good ol' blood magic can't fix.

But damn those snakes. That scene with Myrcella and Jaime was touching! That one scene made up for all the Dorne meanderings. And then to have that bitch poison her to death. Ugh. For once I'm with the crowd. Can't we have a happy ending in a plot arc? Couldn't Myrcella and Trystane just be happy? The Sand Sisters have now cemented their position from 'harrying annoyances' to 'wicked sisters'.

Anyway. Season 5 is over. What did you guys think of it overall, as a season, now that we can step back and look at it as a complete picture?

[Shiny]

I am a bit annoyed we didn't get to see a Stannis death. He is the only character that I can think would be better off dead at this point the way the show has written him. Also that EW article is a crock a trout. Saw that guy a few days ago and said he had to keep his hair like that for GoT. His hair was long and he had a beard. Come on now. Maybe his contract just hasn't been renewed yet or he is enjoying lying but he probably isn't entirely lying he just said he didn't know what the show runners have in store for him.

[Psychotic]

I think she let him live because he said "Do your duty" and she thinks she can use him to save Sansa. I think Mel fled Stannis like a rat from a sinking ship, she saw him lose in the fires and fled. Though I guess the sacrifice of Shireen worked - it cleared the snows after all! - but whether that was her intention I don't know.

What an absolute moron Stannis is though. Half my army is gone? March anyway. Red priestess with the power to see into the future flees? March anyway. And how fucking incompetent do you have to be to not see the castle emptied of a huge cavalry army? That kind of shit is noisy and not difficult to spot, especially if you send scouts like the Boltons evidently did. It's annoying because he's painted as the best military commander in Westeros - Littlefinger even said as much 4 or so episodes ago - and then it's just schoolboy errors.

[blackmage_nuke]

I think when Arya was pulling face after face it wouldve been a good time for one to be a Syrio cameo given the line about faces can be poison and the person she just recently killed

[Freya]

Form the HBO site:

http://i.imgur.com/VAnogq7.jpg

[Shaibana]

we´ll see... we´ll seee..

omg what an episode ;_;
and now we have to wait a whole year for the questions to be answered that we are left with.

im curious what cersei and tommen will do now
i started to like Myrcella *sees Mr. martin luring around the corner* eventho she was Disney Princess :3

on the bright side for Kit: he can finaly cut his hair (or cant he? ಠ_ಠ)

[Night Fury]

I definitely think Jon is Azor Ahai at this point... He is said to rise at the end of a long summer - winter is here now because the White walkers are close and Jon has *seen* the winter. I just don't think he's dead and gone. He's coming back, he's far too important and there's too much we don't know about him.

[Shaibana]

my thought on this episode:
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[McLovin']

my friend's text to me right after the finale:

"Dude the end of game of thrones. What the hell was that. What the smurf is grrm writing. What's the smurfing point of this. There's no smurfing point. What the actual f_ck was that Jon Snow stuff. What the actual mothersmurf."

Let me reitterate: what the actual f_ck.

[theundeadhero]

I still argue that Beric Dondarrion is Azor Ahai, not Jon.

[The Man]

That would be pretty unlikely since he's permanently dead in the books.

[Shaibana]

p.s i loved that atlast Theon did something beside being reek <3

[Fox]

This show always has a high death count, but it's beginning to lose all meaning. The one that most annoyed me today was Myrcella. There was this whole interesting plot thing about the uneasy truce between Dorne and King's Landing, the struggle for the Prince's authority versus a desire for revenge (which was stupid in the first place because Obyern placed high value on not harming innocent little girls). So they let all that unfold, the plot thread gets resolved, but then out of nowhere: WHOOPS ACTUALLY DEAD.

Jon Snow - same kind of deal. If you hate the wildlings so much why open the gate to let them in in the first place? I was really enjoying Ser Alliser's development since he lost out to Jon as Lord Commander. He obviously still hated Jon and disagreed with him, but he still valued his position and Jon's. He still respected the Watch. He followed orders and did his duty, however reluctantly. That was interesting. Alas, gotta just have him turn around and get all traitory to make for a tearful finale. I should probably blame the books, lord knows I'm aware of the repuation, but I've not read them so I tend to judge the show in its own right.

And in its own right, as it deviates more and more from the books: you no longer have many characters left. Try not to kill them all off in episode 1 OK?

[Raistlin]

To echo my previous discussion with MILF, I actually am more annoyed at the sudden change with Allister participating in the murder of Jon than with Stannis's change to acquiesce to the murder of Shireen. Like Fox, Allister always struck me as a "good guy" who was a rigid asshole, but valued his loyalty -- and had always obeyed Jon as Commander. Of course, I'm sure that's exactly how someone plotting their superior's murder would also behave, but it still seemed like more of a 180.

I was more mad at the poisoning of Myrcella, though I totally called it after that kiss. Conniving bitch.

[Bubba]

Aaaaaaaand that's me done. I've reached the same point I did in Lost where I no longer care about what happens next. I might binge watch the ones I've missed in 10 years time when its freely available, but that's only out of curiosity. Waiting a year, then waiting each week to find out what depressingly grisly demise any random fucker succumbs to, no longer appeals... if it ever did.

Also, Cersei's naked walk was about 30 mins too long. Completely unnecessary.

Bubba Bear signing off the GoT thread.

[Fox]

Also, Cersei's naked walk was about 30 mins too long. Completely unnecessary.


I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought that was drawn out to all hell. I got the impression that they'd only contracted Lena Headey to do one nude scene and they were damn well going to make the most of it.

[Ayen]

It was more dramatic in the books from what I read. She was so weak in the end she had to crawl to the Red Keep.

Never thought I'd say this, but I'm rooting for Cersei to get her revenge on the nun and the Sand Snakes once she hears her daughter is dead.

Yeah, I said it. I'm Team Cersei Lannister! Go Juggernaut Knight! That's what I'm calling the big guy. That way when he kills people I can go, "I'M THA JUGGERNAUT BITCH!"

[Loony BoB]

Juggerknight!

I don't tend to care much about there being nudity in GoT but that one was indeed reeeeeaaaaaally drawn out.

Jon & Stannis to still be walking next series, I expect. Hope the Red Witch dies at the hands of Davos after resurrecting Jon. But something tells me the whole "We will meet again" thing with Arya will mean both those girls will be around for some time yet.

Whatever happens to Arya will likely just turn her into a bigger badass and I'm sure we all know it.

Really happy Theon & Sansa are on the run. No idea how far they'd realistically get though, when you think about it they have a huge cavalry literally at the ready which they can use to chase them down and they're about to get found out pretty quick I'd imagine.

So happy Varys is back with Tyrion and really hope that Dany likes him too. Dany is getting the best crew ever but then she's afk now, so uh... no clue what's going to happen there, but that Dothraki army looked pretty badass.

What else... uhm... Olly was always gonna do that, but like many I'm annoyed about Alliser because he was a good anti-villain.

[Ayen]

I happen to have experience with blind assassins. Unfortunately for Arya, claymore mines haven't been invented yet.

Maybe Sansa and Theon will have a fighting chance if they meet up with Brienne who kept Stannis alive to help like somebody else in this thread said. Though even then there chances don't seem that good. Unless a certain Lord of The Vale appears with his army to take Winterfell and penetrate the Boltons' plot armor.

Regardless of what they do, I'm sure it will take half the season to accomplish.

[McLovin']

Aaaaaaaand that's me done. I've reached the same point I did in Lost where I no longer care about what happens next. I might binge watch the ones I've missed in 10 years time when its freely available, but that's only out of curiosity. Waiting a year, then waiting each week to find out what depressingly grisly demise any random fucker succumbs to, no longer appeals... if it ever did.

Also, Cersei's naked walk was about 30 mins too long. Completely unnecessary.

Bubba Bear signing off the GoT thread.

SHAME.

DING DING DING

[Formalhaut]

My only guess with Brienne is that she can use Stannis as a bargaining chip. I mean, having the would-be King held hostage is pretty good thing to have.

I'm not done with GoT, and I probably never will be. It's sucked me in too much now. But Season Five has sucker punched me, to be honest. Previous seasons had one, maybe two really gut-wrenching episodes, like the Red Wedding. This season has main characters dropping off like flies. I know we didn't really see her much, but I actually got pretty attached to Myrcella.

[Hollycat]

pretty sure I read somewhere that stannis is confirmed dead. Which kind of means his story went nowhere, but....


The confirmation was probably just a fake out.

Like Jon surely is.

[Jinx]

Watched it this evening.

An unimpressive finale for an unimpressive season.

[Ayen]

They really shouldn't have hyped this season up so much. I mean, I enjoyed it, but I think Season Four was a lot better overall.

[Shorty]

My only guess with Brienne is that she can use Stannis as a bargaining chip. I mean, having the would-be King held hostage is pretty good thing to have.

There is no possible rhyme or reason for her to keep Stannis alive. She's been on a years-long revenge bender by now and Stannis killed the only man she (probably) ever loved.

Stannis is worth more dead to her than alive. He has no claim to anything except Dragonstone, which is basically in ruin. His daughter is dead, his wife is dead. His command is in shambles, he has no army. He isn't like a Lannister who's worth something wherever they go because of their family name. Stannis is nothing now.

Brienne and Pod watched the Boltons surround them and crept in after the battle was over to specifically find Stannis and make sure he was dead. There isn't a chance he's alive, not with Brienne coming after you.

[Formalhaut]

Put like that, I guess not. Well replied Shorty! :D

To be honest I like Brienne more when she wasn't on some massive Renly-crush. I tend to forget about that side of her when she is being all knightly.

[Ayen]

I think people are skeptical because they didn't see the deathblow, but I'm okay with dead Stannis for obvious reasons.

[The Captain]

I remain convinced that Jon Snow is dead..... but Jon Stark or maybe Jon [Redacted] will be very much alive at some point. In the most literal sense of things, only death could end his vows to the Night's Watch. Well, how's that for timing? Maybe he doesn't return until Season 7 which would make what Kit said technically true as well: "Not back next season."

My prediction is that Winds of Winter will be released at some point in early 2016, maybe even by Christmas 2015 and we'll start to get some answers to the mysteries but at the same time, since the show has already gone down new roads with various characters, I wonder of Mr. Martin will decide to troll us and change things considerably again?

The endgame of the series remains quite murky but I still think it will ultimately prove that really, the idea of fighting for a throne is futile. Maybe the White Walkers usher in democracy! Somehow, I can't believe their only agenda is just DEATH, COLD, WINTER, ZOMBIES.


Take care all.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

Stannis' probably death and just utter annihilation was the point I decided that death and things not working out just happen too much in this story. I can understand trying to take a realistic portrayal of these situations, but there still has to be something to keep people wanting to invest in characters. At this point, it just becomes a detriment to the story to have it be a continuous thing. I can't say anything for the books as I've only read the first one all the way through, but it hinders the show quite a bit. Maybe Stannis isn't dead considering the actual death moment would be off screen, but that's not really my point here.

The point I want to make is that this moment could have been such a poignant moment for the story if these things were more rare. You have this man who has been mostly up to this point seen as a good leader if nothing else. You have this lady feeding him tales of magic that he is able to witness first hand, and it really doesn't hold much cost for him to achieve the feats he does. His strength though (and great weakness) is that he is driven to just keep moving forward until he achieves his goal. He gets to the point where his men are fleeing and supplies are being destroyed, and he is getting desperate. In his desperation, he sees no option but to finally pay a terrible cost for the magic of the Lord of Light through the death of his daughter because he has essentially lost any option but to be defeated or turn back at that point. He knows what he is doing is wrong, so he sends the one man who can speak reason and would try to stop him away. He has to try to talk to Shireen in cryptic ways to try to justify his choice by having her tell him she'd do anything to help him achieve his goals. In the end, he gives into the one chance he has to continue moving forward, resulting in the death of the one person who helped him have humanity and gave him reasons to live outside of his drive to get the throne. By killing Shireen, he kills his own humanity and conscience to move forward and take the throne. But, in the end, relying on forces he doesn't understand backfires and he is abandoned by his men, abandoned by his wife who kills herself, and you can see pain in his eyes at this point. I could see the moment when he is told Melisandre has fled the defeat in his eyes. He has nothing to live for except to move forward and try to get the throne despite the futility since he has destroyed the only thing worth turning everything around for. In the end he was slaughtered, and his actions and story all become meaningless because of the choices he made.

Now, I think there is something beautiful and meaningful in that story. There are other terrible things that have happened on the show and in the books I'm sure that hold similar meaning, but nothing struck me quite as much as how interesting I found the Stannis' storyline when separated from all of the other events of the show. The issue is it's become overshadowed by all of the similar things that happen constantly in the show that all of that meaning pretty much becomes lost. It's too common an occurrence.

[Rantz]

I can see the point that it kind of cheapens it when it's all built up to happen at once. Maybe spreading their major events out a little more throughout the season would help give some more time to really think about the stories. If the Stannis scene happened at the end of an episode, it'd give you some time to mull it over. Now it's just immediately followed by the next scene. In that sense books work better, as it's easier to set the pace yourself and process things as you read them.

That said, I still love this show and I thought it was a great finale. Ollyyyyyy!!!! :argh:

Most of the show storylines are caught up with the books now, right? Arya's story is still a little bit further ahead in the books, and I guess Podrienne, but they've kind off gone off and done other things instead so maybe not. There's still some pretty big storylines from the books not yet in the show, such as Lady Stoneheart and Young Griff but who knows, they may not even show up at all. Am I forgetting anything?

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I can see my issues be mostly show related and be a bit better in the books based on pacing of certain events. Who knows. I did like the finale and still really enjoy the show. That aspect of the books, though, I don't think translates as well into television storytelling at the least. I haven't read the books enough to know how well it works there.

[chionos]

I think that's part of the point, Scotty. The threads that make up human lives end too soon ALL THE TIME. They weave in and out and cut off too soon and if you look at just one you miss the tapestry, and if expect a full tapestry to come together and rectify all the broken strings, you're going to be disappointed as well. Why does a story lose purpose or beauty by there being other stories like it?

Why should we only invest in characters that achieve some personal just end? Do the repercussions of their actions disappear because they are dead?

If it's not a continuous thing in a story this broad then it's just a trick.

This moment isn't supposed to give us closure to Stannis's story. Most stories don't get closure. That empty feeling is what the showrunners (and GRRM) are trying to achieve.

All that said, I don't think these stories are over--to the point that there not being a touching or transcendent or poignant moment here will make sense next season (or maybe the next).

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I know what they are trying to achieve, I just think it comes to a point where it's at the detriment of telling a good story that people want to watch/read. I do think that giving a little more time and a little less frequency between some of these terrible things would help strengthen the storytelling and character moments a bit. It would make these terrible things stand out more while still showcasing the idea that they are common place in the world. I think part of it just has to do with the nature of television shows over books to some extent. Maybe the point is that we become desensitized to it, but that can be a dangerous thing in a narrative just because these great moments start to lose meaning for people. You stop wanting to invest in characters because it feels like there is no point to doing it eventually. Once you stop investing in characters on a story that seems so character driven in a lot of ways, you stop wanting to invest in the show. All that's driving you is wanting to continue just to see where it ends up since you've invested so much time in it. It's honestly surprising to me how the series became so popular to begin with because much of the conventions of the series I feel like go against what most people want from a story. It's kind of interesting to think about.

Anyways, I love the show and don't feel like stopping watching or anything. I also don't think the story has ended for some of the characters who we think dead or whatever. I can just understand the reaction of people towards a lot of the show at this point and could see us coming to a point where people legitimately stop watching the show altogether.

[Pheesh]

Also, where the fuck was Ghost?

[Freya]

I had a dream that Tormund #Giantsbae came in, punched some nights watch and saved Jon.

[Ayen]

Also, where the smurf was Ghost?

My mom asked the same question. It's a good question.

If you'd all allow me to plug myself for a moment: Game of Lulz (http://home.eyesonff.com/showthread.php/163196-Game-of-Lulz-%28GOT-Parody-Season-1%29?p=3541065#post3541065).

[Jinx]

Yeah, I'll watch next season, but it's going to be out of habit and because I've already invested in five seasons. And if they showrunners are telling the truth, there's only two more seasons anyways.

[Formalhaut]

I am intrigued as to what they will do about Lady Stoneheart . I mean, several characters have important interactions with her. Could Sansa and Theon's escape perhaps bring them to the Riverlands? It has been quite a while since we've been there.

[Shaibana]

Yeah, I'll watch next season, but it's going to be out of habit and because I've already invested in five seasons. And if they showrunners are telling the truth, there's only two more seasons anyways.

noooooooooooooo, dont let it end!!

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[Loony BoB]

Formy: I'm pretty sure they've already stated that character will not feature in the show.

[Freya]

I read somewhere that GRRM wants to get the next book out before the next season. Hopefully he does so we don't get left with such cliffhangers.

[Formalhaut]

Formy: I'm pretty sure they've already stated that character will not feature in the show.

A pity, really. I suppose it would have been too late to introduce that character now. But it does mean that all the plot points in the Riverlands, with Beric, Thoros, the Brotherhood without Banners, all just sort of... fizzled.

[Shaibana]

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[Formalhaut]

Small question: Where did the whole Carl/Rick meme come from?

[Shauna]

The Walking Dead.

[Formalhaut]

The Walking Dead.

Given that I know the names of the characters, I think I already grasped what T.V show it came from...

...what I meant to say is how it became a meme in the first place. Is Rick particularly given to emotional, embarrassing moments?