Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Mr. Carnelian]

Also piping in about Olly being a little trout. I don't know why we were ever supposed to care about him in the first place. It seemed like he was supposed to be some sort of emotional ransom for the viewers but the little bastard was nothing more than a menace. He killed Ygritte and stabbed Jon Snow. He deserved to hang and I'm glad I don't have to see his stupid little face anymore.

YES! Olly deserved death. I hope his arse gets White Walkered just so we can see him be killed AGAIN.

[Jinx]

Also piping in about Olly being a little trout. I don't know why we were ever supposed to care about him in the first place. It seemed like he was supposed to be some sort of emotional ransom for the viewers but the little bastard was nothing more than a menace. He killed Ygritte and stabbed Jon Snow. He deserved to hang and I'm glad I don't have to see his stupid little face anymore.

You know he saw Ygritte murder his dad, though, right? No sympathy for her, whatsoever. (In any case, I don't really like either show or book Ygritte. Rose Leslie is a doll, though.)

[Psychotic]

'A Forum Has No Name'Leaning towards this unless we have any other takers!

[Formalhaut]

'A Forum Has No Name'Leaning towards this unless we have any other takers!

Do it. By far the best and clever name we have.

[Bubba]

'A Forum Has No Name'Leaning towards this unless we have any other takers!

This is perfect.

DO IT!!!

[Shorty]

Also piping in about Olly being a little trout. I don't know why we were ever supposed to care about him in the first place. It seemed like he was supposed to be some sort of emotional ransom for the viewers but the little bastard was nothing more than a menace. He killed Ygritte and stabbed Jon Snow. He deserved to hang and I'm glad I don't have to see his stupid little face anymore.

You know he saw Ygritte murder his dad, though, right? No sympathy for her, whatsoever. (In any case, I don't really like either show or book Ygritte. Rose Leslie is a doll, though.)

I don't care why he did it, the fact that he murdered her means he deserved to hang :colbert:

[Jinx]

Also piping in about Olly being a little trout. I don't know why we were ever supposed to care about him in the first place. It seemed like he was supposed to be some sort of emotional ransom for the viewers but the little bastard was nothing more than a menace. He killed Ygritte and stabbed Jon Snow. He deserved to hang and I'm glad I don't have to see his stupid little face anymore.

You know he saw Ygritte murder his dad, though, right? No sympathy for her, whatsoever. (In any case, I don't really like either show or book Ygritte. Rose Leslie is a doll, though.)

I don't care why he did it, the fact that he murdered her means he deserved to hang :colbert:

And she deserved to die for what she did. :p

[Formalhaut]

B-but it's Ygritte!

[Shaibana]

'A Forum Has No Name'Leaning towards this unless we have any other takers!

This is perfect.

DO IT!!!

yes, this should be it!

edit: im kind of impressed that GoT has its own forum section xD

[Shaibana]

ow god, this is hilarious...

does someone have Jon Snow? i demand him/her to take this as the signature
http://9gag.com/gag/a97gY7m

[Jinx]

JON AND SANSA GODDAMN SHIT TEARS ;-;

OSHA NO ;-;

totally shipping TormundxBrienne

UGH LITERALLY NO ONE CARES ABOUT DANY AND HER FUCKING DOTHRAKI SHIT WHY IS THIS A PLOT

also wow emilia clarke still can't act it's been six seasons lol

LOSES HER CLOTHES BUT NOT HER HAIR BECAUSE LOL CAN'T HAVE HER NOT BE PRETTY I GUESS

but hey, she might actually take back the throne?

[Freya]

I care about that plot. Calm your tits, I thought that was great.

Also Ramsey has no chill, goddamn.

[Jinx]

Yeah, the burning down of shit and having all of the Dothraki ever bow before her was cool. The plot leading up to it was a snooze.

[Psychotic]

That's the Sansa we've been waiting six seasons to see! smurf yes.

Also jesus christ Dany. When they say a Targaryen is destined for either madness or greatness... she's smurfing both. God damn.

Read a funny comment that this episode was about brother-sister reunions, and in all three the sister had to tell the brother to stop being such a little bitch. I lol'd.

[Pheesh]

The feeeels from that opening scene were real. That is the first purely good thing I can remember happening in this fucking show in ages. Just something lovely and pleasant that you would expect to see once an episode in a normal show.

I feel like I'm getting vibes from Cersei that she hasn't forgiven Tommen at all. It seems that it'd be really contrary to her character to think she'd ever do anything to put him in harm's way, but either there is a serious lack of chemistry from the two actors or they are trying to make it look really strained.

Wondering the extent to which Davos will go nuts when he finds out about Shireen, also it was weird that he would have dropped his line of questioning about her just because Brienne said she killed Stannis. Follow the conversation to its natural conclusion.

We get it, Ramsey is unlikeable! Either send someone to go kill him or stop wasting precious air time showing him do annoying shit. He's not going to get any worse and he's not as enjoyable to watch as Joffrey was.

Tyrion explaining capitalism to the slavers, top kek. To be fair though, the Tyrion and Varys banter and respective acting is the only thing saving the Mereen storyline, absolutely nothing interesting is happening there. Also I get the feeling like it will all have been for nothing now that Daenerys can go fuck anyone's day up with her horse/slave/dragon army.

[Night Fury]

Well.

That was interesting.

[Shaibana]

Praise the Seven! Jon and Sansa have reunited <3
NOW GO GET THAT BASTARD!!

im guessing Danny is pretty much ready to smurf things up in Westeros now

[Psychotic]

I'm still impressed Cersei and Jaime managed to manipulate the Queen of Thorns like that. Move your army into the city while ours will do nothing? Hmm. That's not going to end well for House Tyrell surely.

[Night Fury]

RE Dany, I feel like she has these big moments - and then like her story just stagnates afterwards.. Anyone else?

Also, I disgaree with you Jinx, I think Emilia does a great job. She was absolutely crazy in that last scene - but just like stone cold, zero chill crazy which is kinda ironic...

[Shaibana]

Read a funny comment that this episode was about brother-sister reunions, and in all three the sister had to tell the brother to stop being such a little bitch. I lol'd.

Go tell 'm, Girls!

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aA1zABE_460s.jpg

[Psychotic]

RE Dany, I feel like she has these big moments - and then like her story just stagnates afterwards.. Anyone else?

Also, I disgaree with you Jinx, I think Emilia does a great job. She was absolutely crazy in that last scene - but just like stone cold, zero chill crazy which is kinda ironic...Agreed on both points.

I found the Mhysa moment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xv9Emwi1Cc) to be one of the most stirring and powerful in the series and I often rewatch it despite not being a huge Dany fan. I know some people dislike it because of white saviour tropes and all that but I think it's a superb piece of television and music. I particularly love Barristan. He's served the Mad King and a drunken womaniser in Robert, and now he's gone halfway across the world out to this unknown girl. You can see he's got his hand on his sword the entire time, he's seen trout he knows how this goes and he's expecting to have to bail her out. And then instead the leap of faith he took in going to her is rewarded in such a satisfying way. And yeah very little has happened with her since, other than this episode's fire shenanigans.

Also yeah the first thing I said after said fire shenanigans was "god damn that girl is stone cold". She smurfing enjoyed that. This is something I really hope they explore with Dany and it would give her arc more interest - is she her father's daughter? Is she mad? It was a little bit in the books and it was a driving motivation to try to get peace in Meereen, the nuance of which the show did not pick up on.

Game of Thrones isn't meant to be about black and white characters and right now Dany is this superheroine who rose up and now fights against slavery and evil and we're meant to root for her to sit the Iron Throne. Let's switch it up a little. Let's ask the question: Is Dany mad? Even if the answer to the question is no (I'd prefer it to be unanswered entirely!) it's still worth looking at. The problem is that she's surrounded by sycophants who will not challenge her and let her do what she wants. Tyrion and Varys are both well placed to shake it up and hold her to account. I'm not entirely hopeful that it's going to play out like that though.

[Night Fury]

I think overall, it's my problem with Dany. She does these massive amazing things, then it fizzles out. Though I suppose the show would be rather boring if she just conquered Westeros right away. I don't think she will, or should.

Jokes aside, and while I love the Lannisters and all that and ripping on Dany - she will get to Westeros and take back her throne and she deserves it. I'd never actually considered that she might be mad though Psy, and actually I can totally see it. That said, will she want Westeros? Her home is Essos at this point. I can see her sitting in Essos and someone - probably Jon - sitting in Westeros, uniting the two.

I can see the end of the show now. Dany sitting on the throne and before it cuts out she gets a mad glint in her eye - and then it will all begin again! Or something.

[Pheesh]

Honestly I feel like a more fitting end for Jon is to be sitting as Warden of the North and Lord of Winterfell. Even if it does turn out that he's Targaryen I feel it would be weird for his character to all of a sudden care about actually ruling all of Westeros. Even more so now that he and Sansa have been discussing their regrets at having ever left home.

[Night Fury]

I do also feel like it wouldn't fit his character. I feel like Sansa would as she thrives in warm climates, because of the Tully in her.

[Psychotic]

Oh yeah, another thing I was reminded of. Ned Stark's father Rickard demanded a trial by combat and the Mad King accepted and stated that his champion to fight Lord Stark was fire. Who did Dany turn to to fight her battle against the Khals tonight? Not the loyal knight Jorah or the ruthless sexy sellsword Daario, nope, mothersmurfing fire.
Honestly I feel like a more fitting end for Jon is to be sitting as Warden of the North and Lord of Winterfell. Even if it does turn out that he's Targaryen I feel it would be weird for his character to all of a sudden care about actually ruling all of Westeros. Even more so now that he and Sansa have been discussing their regrets at having ever left home.Yeah I agree. I've always wondered if it'll be Jon or Dany on the Iron Throne in the end game but tonight's episode firmly cemented the idea in my head that Jon isn't interested.

[Night Fury]

I feel like Jon's role now will be, in a roundabout way, to unite the houses and to say "oi oi lads, look, there's ice zombies about to break through the wall. Maybe stop arguing aye?"

We're seeing Tyrell and Lannister unite, Umber and Bolton, Wildling and Nights Watch, and now the Dothraki will come back to the free cities I expect.

[Jinx]

The tipping fire over part was cool. She did a fine job then.

It's whenever she speaks. More, whenever she speaks in a foreign tongue. She doesn't know how to act subtly and talk in a language that isn't English.

[Night Fury]

Mostly because when she's not speaking English she's delivering an epic speech.

YOU JUST DON'T LIKE EMILIA CLARKE, JINX.

[Jinx]

Mostly because when she's not speaking English she's delivering an epic speech.

YOU JUST DON'T LIKE EMILIA CLARKE, JINX.

Truth.

I thought she was getting better last season, but eeeeh.

EDIT: I did see her in the trailer for Me Before You and she's great. I think maybe she's just really not the right fit for Dany, and it shows. She's just not good as this character, and because she's the wrong actress for the part, she never really will be.

[Shaibana]

Mostly because when she's not speaking English she's delivering an epic speech.

YOU JUST DON'T LIKE EMILIA CLARKE, JINX.

well.... i really like Dany and her story...
but Jinx is right tho, it sounds alot more awkward and unnatural when dany speaks dothraki.
but perhaps that is part of her character... she is after all born with the common tongue and perhaps she just cant speak dothraki (and other languages) without an accent.
Dothraki and the 'meereen laguage' is pretty new to her after all.

[Night Fury]

Valyrian is her mother tongue :p

[Shaibana]

Valyrian is her mother tongue :p

ssst, its an accent she cant get rid of.. lets leave it at that

[Freya]

Also I'd like to bring up Tormund and Brienne here.

That made me so excited. I didn't know I shippped that but now I do. Discuss.

[Jinx]

Also I'd like to bring up Tormund and Brienne here.

That made me so excited. I didn't know I shippped that but now I do. Discuss.

YES I SAID THIS IN MY POST AND MY BODY IS READY

I mean, he claims he fucked a bear. Brienne is an improvement, there.

[Freya]

She fought a Bear! It's a perfect match!

[Jinx]

WHAT IF SHE IS BOTH THE BEAR AND THE MAIDEN FAIR?

#theory

[Freya]

I also just remembered that she has a valyrian steel sword too! and she's up north! That means both Jon and her can be taking white walkers out! I'm super excited about that!

[Jinx]

Oh: did it bother anyone else that last week's episode seemed to imply that Jon was leaving the Wall, but this week he was packing?

Also, stylistically, I loved how Theon arrived at Pyke. In season 2, it's sunny and clear and he's fucking the captain's daughter. In season 6, it's stormy and grey. I just like how it shows how his lot has changed and how he views returning home.

[Shaibana]

Oh: did it bother anyone else that last week's episode seemed to imply that Jon was leaving the Wall, but this week he was packing?


... yes
perhaps he was at the front door and thought 'smurf, i cant leave without some gear and stuff'
*awkward walk back*

[Freya]

I saw it as he was just walking away from the crowd last episode so no, it didn't bother me on that one.

I really enjoy how they've shown Sansa's changes though. Jon can't finish reading the letter and she grabs it and says fuck it, and finishes it without flinching. And tells him "he killed his dad, he's got our brother. Let's gooooooo" And jon is like urhhhmm well okay.

Sansa is tired of yo shit. She's had enough crap to deal with! She wants to fuck some shit up.

[blackmage_nuke]

Oh: did it bother anyone else that last week's episode seemed to imply that Jon was leaving the Wall, but this week he was packing?


Jon is a drama queen

[Shaibana]

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[Shorty]

The Osha scene was far too simple. A character that we've seen a single glimpse of in the past few years thinks they're going to get a hand up on Ramsay? It was so obvious she wasn't going to make it out of that room alive.

Not really getting the Dany hate for the reasons that are being mentioned. I thought it was a pretty powerful scene, but it was lessened for me by the fact that it was literally a recycle of what they've already done - her burning down a structure, emerging unburnt, and the entire Dothraki horde bowing to her. It would have been nice to have something new.

I have a feeling that the High Sparrow is going to die and Lancel is going to emerge as the leader of the faith and get even fucking crazier.

Was hoping to see more Tyrion + draegons but oh well :(

[Formalhaut]

Not really getting the Dany hate for the reasons that are being mentioned. I thought it was a pretty powerful scene, but it was lessened for me by the fact that it was literally a recycle of what they've already done - her burning down a structure, emerging unburnt, and the entire Dothraki horde bowing to her. It would have been nice to have something new.

Oh I don't know, I rather liked the homage. It shows the cyclical nature of Dany's plot arc She had to go back to the Dothraki, where it all began for her, to reassert her power and dominance. Here's hoping she returns after Tyrion's ruined everything to restore order and start moving west.

On that note - was it possible for Mereen to get any worse? Tyrion's really going to smurf things up unless he has an ace up his sleeve.

[Shorty]

Not really getting the Dany hate for the reasons that are being mentioned. I thought it was a pretty powerful scene, but it was lessened for me by the fact that it was literally a recycle of what they've already done - her burning down a structure, emerging unburnt, and the entire Dothraki horde bowing to her. It would have been nice to have something new.

Oh I don't know, I rather liked the homage. It shows the cyclical nature of Dany's plot arc She had to go back to the Dothraki, where it all began for her, to reassert her power and dominance. Here's hoping she returns after Tyrion's ruined everything to restore order and start moving west.

On that note - was it possible for Mereen to get any worse? Tyrion's really going to smurf things up unless he has an ace up his sleeve.

The cyclical nature of Dany's plot is exactly why it's been so boring. Her being in Meereen is only important in that 1) Tyrion comes into her council and 2) to get them ships, which should be coming with Euron after the Kingsmoot when he begins to make his way there. She didn't need all of the time and seasons spent there for this to happen, only to turn around and basically restart her storyline with bringing her newfound Dothraki people with her to Meereen.

It just feels like backtracking. I know that it's done in order for the plot to move forward, but that doesn't make it any more likable to me.

[Jinx]

Because no one is reading my posts: I liked the burning and bowing parts. Her stupid speech beforehand is what I didn't like and what I found boring. Mostly because show-Dany is such an arrogant little trout, whenever she does stuff like this, I really just want someone to kill her already.

EDIT: Yeah, and last night's Dothraki stuff, while totally bad ass, basically made the Greyjoys pointless. Again. One of the showrunners really hates the Martells and Greyjoys.

[Aulayna]

Sansa's become so bad ass.

And that Dany scene at the end... awwwwyiiiiiis.

Have to say I'm enjoying the pacing of this season so far, was really worried that Sansa heading to the wall and Jon leaving would result in another multi-season roundabout where key characters narrowly miss being in the same place at the same time. But no, she actually turned up while Jon was still there.

[Jinx]

Yeah, they've finally got the pacing down. Instead of spending the whole season with the Dosh Khaleen, or Arya spending the entire season getting beat up, or Sansa taking the whole season to get to the Wall. People want results! Especially since we've been waiting for a goddamn Stark reunion since season one!

[Aulayna]

Holy trout just watched the promo for the next episode. The hype is real.

[Rantz]

Yeahhhhh the Stark reunion feels are real! So excited for them to go wreak some havoc on the Boltons.

Speaking of which, I'm curious about Littlefinger's motives for taking the Arryns up north. I know he's pretty weak in the knees for Sansa, but this seems a bit extreme if that's the only motive. Is he hoping to benefit from her ruling Winterfell or something? Does he just want to get Robin Arryn killed in the least efficient way possible?

Osha. :(

[Jinx]

I think he wants to marry her and rule Winterfell. The ultimate fuck you to Ned Stark. Marrying his daughter and controlling his house.

[Shaibana]

oeehh Sansa confronting Littlefinger, exciting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ5QtQ59Nc8


http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aq5ozNv_700b.jpg

[Loony BoB]

LOSES HER CLOTHES BUT NOT HER HAIR BECAUSE LOL CAN'T HAVE HER NOT BE PRETTY I GUESS
I'm not sure it would make sense if her skin was fireproof but her hair was not.

But boy was she super lucky there were massive vats of flaming oil to push over and also that the "great" warriors were too scared to jump over some fire to attack their aggressor and escape certain death. Geez.

The Littlefinger thing... I really wonder how that will all turn out. I mean, it's not like Sansa is going to jump back into his arms and Jon Snow and Brienne will more than certainly have words to say about how he, you know, gave Sansa to someone so she could be forced into marriage, raped and locked up. What the hell does he think will happen if he is to reunite? I am really struggling to figure out his great plan in all of this. I don't think he's after Sansa at this point, I think she is merely a pawn for him to bring the Vale into the war. I think Littlefinger wants the bigger, sharper throne down south.

[Shaibana]

LOSES HER CLOTHES BUT NOT HER HAIR BECAUSE LOL CAN'T HAVE HER NOT BE PRETTY I GUESS
I'm not sure it would make sense if her skin was fireproof but her hair was not.


Yes and no, in the books she does actually lose her hair after stepping into Drogo's fire

[Loony BoB]

Huh, strange. Isn't hair made up of the same stuff as the skin and nails? If anything I think the TV series got that part right and the books not so much. But then, well, magic gonna magic.

Also, lol @ this from GRR Martin...


Granny: Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons?

George_RR_Martin: Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.

Revanshe: So she won't be able to do it again?

George_RR_Martin: Probably not.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/f3dbf790767e1cb6e594ce2ab91a2d7f/tumblr_mheqkagOpf1qihp55o1_250.gif

I know he only says "probably" but it does show that he did not seem to intend on her being able to do that again, and can't offer the same excuse this time (unless there were dragon eggs around that I couldn't see).

[Shorty]

are you trying to bring logic to the premise of fire-resistant human being

Also, we flat out cannot trust that old bag. He is going to lie through his teeth to keep fans from guessing forthcoming plots if he's asked about them.

[Loony BoB]

Logically!

And yeah, it's part of why I feel the TV series is better than the books, despite the books having a lot of really interesting extra stuff. At least the differences encourage me to both watch and read.

Well. Apart from Dorne.

[Jinx]

Hair isn't living, though.

[Psychotic]

Huh, strange. Isn't hair made up of the same stuff as the skin and nails? If anything I think the TV series got that part right and the books not so much. But then, well, magic gonna magic.

Also, lol @ this from GRR Martin...


Granny: Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons?

George_RR_Martin: Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.

Revanshe: So she won't be able to do it again?

George_RR_Martin: Probably not.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/f3dbf790767e1cb6e594ce2ab91a2d7f/tumblr_mheqkagOpf1qihp55o1_250.gif

I know he only says "probably" but it does show that he did not seem to intend on her being able to do that again, and can't offer the same excuse this time (unless there were dragon eggs around that I couldn't see).That quote is older than the song you got the gif from. Things change.

[Shorty]

we all know the fixation that you have on hair that does not belong to you but I think that using that particular reference for what makes the tv show better than the books is a bit of a stretch

[Loony BoB]

I'm not sure what surprised me more, that Oops I Did It Again wasn't older or that the quote wasn't more recent.

[Del Murder]

I feel like Martin wouldn't write that storyline anyway since it's pretty much what happened in Season 1, just on a larger scale and without dragons.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Dany is really working to get maximum mileage from what is a very niche superpower. Good thing the Dothraki are easily impressed by someone being impervious to flames. Anywho, as to why they didn't attack her, it seemed like they were too intent on escaping the flames. Because the floor was covered in straw and the building was made of wood, the flames spread VERY quickly. None of them had anything to put the fire out, so even if they'd killed Dany it wouldn't have stopped the fire. She just took a chance that they'd focus exclusively on trying to escape. Once the fire had really gotten going, she could have just stepped back into the flames to keep away from them if they'd tried to attack her.

[Loony BoB]

Ah, nice, I like that explanation. :up:

[theundeadhero]

That fire did spread pretty fast. I was assuming that some time before the meeting Dany or her boys spread oil around the floor of the place to make it happen.

[Formalhaut]

That, and no weapons are allowed. They'd have to use their fists to do any real damage to Dany and that would take time they could have spent escaping.

Though honestly, they deserved it. Who puts flaming braziers in a wooden, flammable construction. Even the floor was flammable. Granted, the door would normally be open, but still.

[Freya]

I'm sure the braziers had oil in them too to keep them going. SO SPLASH oil everywhere probably helped.

[Shaibana]

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[FFNut]

You would have thought if the fire spread that quickly though the walls would have a weak point someplace for them to try and escape out of. They only tried the door. Why not start slamming walls that were on fire? Sure you would get burnt but it might have saved your life.

[Jinx]

YES I AM SO ON BOARD WITH TORMUNDXBRIENNE

[Formalhaut]

I am as well, though I'm waiting for the inevitable 'gotcha!' moment when one of them dies a horrible death.

[Freya]

I've decided that what I want to happen is:

In the middle of the battle of the bastards, Brienne comes to Tormund's Rescue, or vice versa and they have a badass cute saving but being badasses at the same time thing.

I neeeeeed this.

[starlet]

Tormund and Brienne; GoT's Steiner and Beatrix

[Kalevala]

Also, lol @ this from GRR Martin...


Granny: Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons?

George_RR_Martin: Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.

Revanshe: So she won't be able to do it again?

George_RR_Martin: Probably not.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/f3dbf790767e1cb6e594ce2ab91a2d7f/tumblr_mheqkagOpf1qihp55o1_250.gif

I know he only says "probably" but it does show that he did not seem to intend on her being able to do that again, and can't offer the same excuse this time (unless there were dragon eggs around that I couldn't see).

Also we don't know that this scene was lifted from something in book six. This scene could have been a completely Benioff and Weiss creation and not from George at all.

[Rantz]

Am I the only one who thinks Tormund is completely not in Brienne's taste?

[Psychotic]

Well, he's not very Renly-esque, no. But then she liked Renly for treating her as "normal", and Tormund's the only man who has looked at her and instead of saying "oh god what a freak!" he's noticed, recognised and admired her strengths - even moreso than Renly did.

[Pheesh]

She liked Jaime though and he definitely didn't treat her as if she were normal.

[Psychotic]

He didn't at first but his attitude changed. And she really didn't like him at first either.

[Bubba]

Yeah, it'll happen like Freya says. She won't like him at first while he's all lechy, then he'll do something badass or just generally be nice to her and she'll warm to him. Just as they look like hooking up, Brienne will have her legs, arms and head chopped off and Tormund will be burned alive by Drogon.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aPDEYMP_700b_v1.jpg

[Del Murder]

That fire did spread pretty fast. I was assuming that some time before the meeting Dany or her boys spread oil around the floor of the place to make it happen.
I think the fact that they were waiting outside to barricade the door strongly implies this is what happened. Sorry, but some dry straw on the ground doesn't cause a fire to spread that quickly.

[Mirage]

I'm sure the braziers had oil in them too to keep them going. SO SPLASH oil everywhere probably helped.

Yeah this. I thought the fire spread about exactly as fast as it should.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

Oh my gods I am finally caught up with this season and holy shit.

[Bubba]

Oh my gods I am finally caught up with this season and holy trout.

I know man... it's like Summer came a month early!

[Kalevala]

Oh my gods I am finally caught up with this season and holy trout.

I know man... it's like Summer came a month early!

You mean Winter, huhuhuhuhuhu.

[blackmage_nuke]

I thought they splashed oil everywhere before the meeting.

[Shaibana]

http://9gag.com/gag/a67PbdR

woah the next episode is early :o did it get leaked or something?
im going to watch it now :3

[Shaibana]

ffs :( that end.. Why hodor!!
and why another direwolf? :'(

so in theory Bran could (have) mess(ed) up the mad kings mind..

a tribute to Hodor..
Hold the door!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0nS8u6Td5I

[Formalhaut]

I found this on my internet travels and found it tickling:

SPo-B8ZkyzI

[Jinx]

It looks like a girl might have a name after all.

THE CHILDREN CREATED THE WHITE WALKERS!!!!!!

The Greyjoy Kraken looks like a uterus. Asha/Yara confirmed queen?!?!?!

Daario just standing there as Jorah says he loves Dany. Awkwaaaard.

BRAN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

dat brienne side eye

TORMUND AND BRIENNE ARE SO CUTE

SUMMER NO D:

Omg, Hodor D:

[Slothy]

You hold that door...



I think the fact that they were waiting outside to barricade the door strongly implies this is what happened. Sorry, but some dry straw on the ground doesn't cause a fire to spread that quickly.

It pretty clearly showed whatever was burning in the torches spreading quite a bit as they are knocked over. I also think you underestimate the flammability of dry straw. Of which the building was largely composed. Smoke inhalation would have gotten them quite quickly in that enclosed space. Maybe even faster than they showed.

[Jinx]

I have to say, I think this is the first character death that's truly affected me. Probably part of it is being a book reader and knowing the deaths were coming. But holy trout dude. I just.

Also, smurf you, Pontus. SMURF YOU.

EDIT: Also, it isn't just his death. It's that Bran's the one who made him the way he is (even though we all saw that coming) and if Bran had done what he was supposed to, Hodor a.) wouldn't have had his mind destroyed and b.) wouldn't have died.

So I guess smurf you too, Bran.

[Freya]

Hold the door :(

[Slothy]

Considering Bran didn't seem to change the past and merely was a participant in events I can't blame him for what happened because it seems pretty clear he can't change anything that already happened, or possibly even have any control over his own future.

[Jinx]

Had he not been there when Meera was screaming, Hodor wouldn't have heard her. Don't forget that Bran was also warging Hodor at that time.

[Slothy]

But my point is it was destined to happen. If we assume something like a guiding hand of fate is involved then free will doesn't apply and he really couldn't have ever avoided this.

[Jinx]

But my point is it was destined to happen. If we assume something like a guiding hand of fate is involved then free will doesn't apply and he really couldn't have ever avoided this.

That's actually an interesting point given the conversation Varys had with Melisandre 2.0.

That said, I think the whole point of Bran's story is that you can change the past.

[Slothy]

Yet this event would indicate that the past and his future are already set. Wait and see I guess. Personally, I think his story may be less about changing the past and more being a participant in past events while also perhaps becoming privy to important information no one else could know otherwise.

[Jinx]

I guess I just want to believe. :P

[Slothy]

I don't think the game of thrones universe is kind enough to give Sean Bean back. We should be glad Jon isn't dead and that we might, if we're lucky, see people that aren't total shit running things by the end.

[Del Murder]

That was a sad episode. How much time does holding that door really buy them, though? They seemed to be breaking through rather quickly.

Also Summer was needlessly sacrificed! I am scared for Ghost now.

[Slothy]

I forgot to mention this earlier, but kudos to the show for finally showing a dick and balls.

[Psychotic]

I don't think a GoT episode has ever made me feel as sad as that. Poor big fella. :(

[The Captain]

To quote another movie at Bran:

Earn this. Earn it.

i'd imagine now would be the right time for them to run in to Coldhands again. Or even.... Benjen!

Any speculation on how/why the Night's King could touch him in the visions?

Also.... Brienne is headed to Riverrun? Perhaps a late cameo from a certain long dead Den Mother?

Take care all.

[blackmage_nuke]

I had the ending spoiled for me half way through the episode :(

[Night Fury]

THAT WAS THE SADDEST EFFING THING.

Also, possibly an unpopular opinion - but I really don't care for Arya's story right now. Is she going to go back to her Stark roots or has she just forgotten her whole legacy? Her sister is rallying up armies to take down Ramsey Bolton, and she's prancing about with sticks. I need it to start getting to the point, soon.

So much to digest - so here we goooooo!

I'm hoping that with the play reminding her of her family she might give her head a wobble and something cool will happen. I give zero smurfs about 'Faceless Men'.

I wonder how Bran is going to react to his Direwolf dying. Let's remind ourselves that he has spent hours and hours freely warging through Summer, and that she was his escape from his disability. That's going to hurt - perhaps he will find Nymeria. That mark is going to be really, really important.

Sansa shut Littlefinger down so quickly too - his face said everything man. She just basically took his balls clean off with a glance.

"Don't let the wall fall down." You know for REAL that wall is going down.

Also guuuuuuuys Meera killed a White Walker!


On Hodor - I saw it as Hodor hearing Meera in the past from the future and his future self which was what caused him to have the fit, and the command was so powerful and has controlled his life up until the point where it came to be. Also, do we think Hodor knew about this the whole time? :(

Tormund sighed at Brienne :lol:

[Night Fury]

Also, I wrote a nice song about a future prediction! Sorry for double post, but this is a standalone piece of art.


He's got a pair of hands
And they're cold to the touch
He wants to touch you face
wants to feel you up

He rides on an elk
So majestic and free
without this stranger
where will Bran and Meera be?

He's lifting his hands
and they're icy and gaunt
He waves them around
But this ain't no taunt

He's got the jazz hands
and they're waving at you
He looks like a Wight
'Cept his eyes aren't blue

He got them cooooooldhands
So chilly on you skin
If you've read the books
You'll be wondering where he been?

He's been riding that elk
Elks for days
Waving his hands
In errybody's face

He got that big old grin
and those jazzy hand motions
he lives in the forest
He doesn't dwell by the oceans

He's that Coldhands giant
Come to save the day!
He gives you a smile
The most magnificent waaaay

To say 'It's me Coldhands!, maybe also Benjen Stark'
I don't know who I am
So listen to me hark
I'm the Coooooooooooooldhands man.

[Jinx]

On Hodor - I saw it as Hodor hearing Meera in the past from the future and his future self which was what caused him to have the fit, and the command was so powerful and has controlled his life up until the point where it came to be. Also, do we think Hodor knew about this the whole time? :(



Holy shit that would make him rocking and freaking out in the cave while the wights came even more tragic. ;-; IT IS TIME

[Loony BoB]

It's possible he knew about it the whole time, in a way - like, he might have recognised everything that was happening at that point through the 'screams' of Mereen and everything onwards. He may have had nightmares about that very situation, remembering it all, and now that nightmare was becoming reality for him. Poor guy. :(

[Freya]

On Hodor - I saw it as Hodor hearing Meera in the past from the future and his future self which was what caused him to have the fit, and the command was so powerful and has controlled his life up until the point where it came to be. Also, do we think Hodor knew about this the whole time? :(



Holy trout that would make him rocking and freaking out in the cave while the wights came even more tragic. ;-; IT IS TIME

It's probably why he freaked out every time danger came. He didn't know if that day as the day he would have to "hold the door".

[Night Fury]

On Hodor - I saw it as Hodor hearing Meera in the past from the future and his future self which was what caused him to have the fit, and the command was so powerful and has controlled his life up until the point where it came to be. Also, do we think Hodor knew about this the whole time? :(



Holy trout that would make him rocking and freaking out in the cave while the wights came even more tragic. ;-; IT IS TIME

It's probably why he freaked out every time danger came. He didn't know if that day as the day he would have to "hold the door".

Yep. Further traumatisation for me :(

[Jinx]

On Hodor - I saw it as Hodor hearing Meera in the past from the future and his future self which was what caused him to have the fit, and the command was so powerful and has controlled his life up until the point where it came to be. Also, do we think Hodor knew about this the whole time? :(



Holy trout that would make him rocking and freaking out in the cave while the wights came even more tragic. ;-; IT IS TIME

It's probably why he freaked out every time danger came. He didn't know if that day as the day he would have to "hold the door".

Yep. Further traumatisation for me :(

jfc D:

[Shaibana]

I forgot to mention this earlier, but kudos to the show for finally showing a dick and balls.

right in the face.. literally
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/05/thats_a_penis_reverse.gif

[Shaibana]

The Mountain doing cardio with his tiny dog
http://9gag.com/gag/a67PqLL

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/azjneKZ_700b.jpg


edit: oeps, double post

[Ergroilnin]

Hold the door T_T

[Rantz]

Very upset about this turn of events :(

[Bri]

Sad episode, I couldn't hold back some tears...

[McLovin']

Great episode of Lost-- I mean Game of thrones.

[Shaibana]

An intervieuw with Hodor :'(
http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/kristian-nairn-thinks-hodor-is-the-better-man

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/arKY8o5_700b.jpg

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aKqRdyb_700b_v1.jpg

[Bubba]

I do love all the insights and opinions of everyone who posts in this thread. I've changed my attitude to a lot of characters as a result. But honestly...

...Shaibana's gifs and memes are the only reason I still post here. They are awesome!

[Del Murder]

This is doubly true since she stopped doing the Walking Dead memes.

[Formalhaut]

Just saw 'The Door'.

Smurf me that ending was depressing. I gave a read of the thread and I honestly don't think I have anything else to add other than my own tears. :crying:

[The Captain]

Saw a theory recently that I thought was worth discussing. If you can manipulate events through visions, is it possible the "Mad King" went mad because someone was whispering to him from the future about oncoming White Walkers? Hence his desire to burn everything?

Definitely a leap but at this point, who knows? What else do you think could be explained as being a symptom of greenseeing like our poor dear Hodor?

Take care all.

[Del Murder]

Obviously Bran is the blame for everything.

[Fox]

Obviously Bran is the blame for everything.

Yes! I've been blaming him for everything since season 1. Finally, justification!

[Night Fury]

IS HODOR HIDING UNDER A DUMPSTER?!

[Formalhaut]

Obviously Bran is the blame for everything.

Yes! I've been blaming him for everything since season 1. Finally, justification!

Yeah, it did seem incredibly stupid to walk into the middle of the wight army. It's not even as if he wasn't aware that he might be visible in those visions - he clearly suspected that he spoke to his dad during that previous vision, so surely he must've been cautious around the enemy?

I don't know. Just watching that scene was horrible. It was like something from a horror movie.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Obviously Bran is the blame for everything.

Yes! I've been blaming him for everything since season 1. Finally, justification!

I now choose to believe that any time something bad happened to a character due to them not paying attention is because they were distracted by Bran trying to talk to them from the future. King Whatsisname becoming distracted during a hunt, allowing the boar to get close enough to kill him? Bran. Jorah not paying attention to his surroundings, allowing the stoneskin people to jump him and Tyrion? Bran.

[Slothy]

Obviously Bran is the blame for everything.

Yes! I've been blaming him for everything since season 1. Finally, justification!

Yeah, it did seem incredibly stupid to walk into the middle of the wight army. It's not even as if he wasn't aware that he might be visible in those visions - he clearly suspected that he spoke to his dad during that previous vision, so surely he must've been cautious around the enemy?

I don't know. Just watching that scene was horrible. It was like something from a horror movie.

To be fair, despite his initial suspicion the old guy who's been doing this longer than him and was trying to teach him everything specifically told he couldn't interact (or did he say change?) and his father couldn't have heard him.

And even if he thought his father heard him, actually reaching out and touching someone who isn't physically there would not be something I'd expect. Especially after am entire army was just a second ago completely oblivious to him.

[Bubba]

Saw a theory recently that I thought was worth discussing. If you can manipulate events through visions, is it possible the "Mad King" went mad because someone was whispering to him from the future about oncoming White Walkers? Hence his desire to burn everything?

Yeah, I read this theory too. It seems totally plausible to me.

[Mirage]

this was one fucked up episode

[Loony BoB]

Wait, can't they just track Bran using his silver arm brand thing? Surely he's kinda screwed at this point regardless? I feel like I'm missing something here. Maybe they can only trace him to where he was at the time he was branded or something? No idea.

[Shaibana]

Obviously Bran is the blame for everything.

Yes! I've been blaming him for everything since season 1. Finally, justification!

Yeah, it did seem incredibly stupid to walk into the middle of the wight army. It's not even as if he wasn't aware that he might be visible in those visions - he clearly suspected that he spoke to his dad during that previous vision, so surely he must've been cautious around the enemy?

I don't know. Just watching that scene was horrible. It was like something from a horror movie.

To be fair, despite his initial suspicion the old guy who's been doing this longer than him and was trying to teach him everything specifically told he couldn't interact (or did he say change?) and his father couldn't have heard him.

And even if he thought his father heard him, actually reaching out and touching someone who isn't physically there would not be something I'd expect. Especially after am entire army was just a second ago completely oblivious to him.


obviously those ice-kings are something else so they can do stuff regular ppl cant do, and i believe the dead army didnt notice him untill he got branded? the brand obviously made the army aware that he was there.

and i believe when the old guy said he couldnt interact with the ppl of the past he said it like 'i forbid you to do it' and not 'it is impossible to do'

I cant remember the scene clearly but perhaps that was it?

[Slothy]

The army noticed him before he was grabbed. And i don't think he was told not to interact by the old guy. Pretty sure he didn't think it was possible.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aq505BL_700b.jpg

[Jinx]

Ahahaha, oops! xD

also

68147

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aGxX3z5_700b.jpg

[Night Fury]

I think the Night's King is probably just very attuned to the Weirwood trees since that's where he was sacrificed, something along those lines meant he was able to get to Bran through his vision.

[Shorty]

Am I the only one who doesn't like the twist that the children of the forest created the white walkers? It seemed a bit limp to me. I think I would have liked it much more had they just existed as an evil force on their own.

I'd be interested to know who exactly it was that they took to make into the Night King, though. He can't have just been some random bum.


i'd imagine now would be the right time for them to run in to Coldhands again. Or even.... Benjen!

Any speculation on how/why the Night's King could touch him in the visions?

Also.... Brienne is headed to Riverrun? Perhaps a late cameo from a certain long dead Den Mother?

Take care all.

I'm also curious about Coldhands and Benjen. And you bring up a good point about Stoneheart as well. 11/10 will never against trust what the showrunners or actors say about the future of the show and will just imagine that all things are possible.

I am pretty sads about Euron's casting and character. I imagined him just so calm and cool and collect but intimidating as smurf, even probably a little bit funny. But this cocky mothersmurfer grabbing at his groin talking about chasing down Dany like he's a teen going through puberty? Definitely not the intimidating and terrifying Euron I imagined in the books. I am guessing that he must end up getting Quentyn's demise so we can see someone get scorched by dragons again. I don't see how he's supposed to be a character we're supposed to root for.

I have a feeling that the Blackfish won't feel particularly ready to abandon Riverrun again and join Sansa after they've just retaken it down there. But he'll probably show up at the end of the battle for Winterfell and save the day.

[Jinx]

In the book the Night's King was a member of the Watch and fell in love with a White Walker woman (or so that's the legend, anyways). In the show that can't be possible, as the Night's Watch was founded to guard the realm from the White Walkers.

So he's probably a Stark or a Targaryen.

RE: The Night's King having an affinity with weirwood trees

I believe the tree he was mounted on and made into the White Walker was the tree they were chilling and watching movies in.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aPD5OZQ_700b.jpg

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/avPNbAE_700b.jpg

[Mr. Carnelian]

the tree they were chilling and watching movies in.

To be honest, that seems to be pretty much what Bran's stint in the tree amounted to, so far. Yes, he learned about the White Walkers being weapons created by the Children, but they could have just TOLD him that. However, I'm sure that his looking into the past thing will offer some important insight soon.

[Shorty]

In the book the Night's King was a member of the Watch and fell in love with a White Walker woman (or so that's the legend, anyways). In the show that can't be possible, as the Night's Watch was founded to guard the realm from the White Walkers.

So he's probably a Stark or a Targaryen.

I like that better than the children of the forest creating them as a result of mankind taking over their forests/whatever, but it still implies that there were already existing white walkers that the children of the forest could have created.

[Night Fury]

the tree they were chilling and watching movies in.

To be honest, that seems to be pretty much what Bran's stint in the tree amounted to, so far. Yes, he learned about the White Walkers being weapons created by the Children, but they could have just TOLD him that. However, I'm sure that his looking into the past thing will offer some important insight soon.

And Gandalf could have just flown Frodo to Mt Doom. :p

[Mr. Carnelian]

the tree they were chilling and watching movies in.

To be honest, that seems to be pretty much what Bran's stint in the tree amounted to, so far. Yes, he learned about the White Walkers being weapons created by the Children, but they could have just TOLD him that. However, I'm sure that his looking into the past thing will offer some important insight soon.

And Gandalf could have just flown Frodo to Mt Doom. :p

The snark is strong in this one. I'm only pointing out that, so far, Bran has learned nothing of importance which he couldn't have learned by people just communicating with him using their mouth-words.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a67PWYq_700b.jpg

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aA1jn59_700b.jpg

[Psychotic]

With the White Walkers I just want to see what their deal is. Following on from our LotR references, here's a GRRM quote:
I admire Tolkien greatly. His books had enormous influence on me. And the trope that he sort of established—the idea of the Dark Lord and his Evil Minions—in the hands of lesser writers over the years and decades has not served the genre well. It has been beaten to death. The battle of good and evil is a great subject for any book and certainly for a fantasy book, but I think ultimately the battle between good and evil is weighed within the individual human heart and not necessarily between an army of people dressed in white and an army of people dressed in black. When I look at the world, I see that most real living breathing human beings are grey.So far the White Walkers - admittedly not living breathing human beings! - have been following the exact trope that he is denouncing with this quote. I really hope that he practices what he preaches and there's more nuance to them than simply being grumpy ice zombies.

[Shorty]

the tree they were chilling and watching movies in.

To be honest, that seems to be pretty much what Bran's stint in the tree amounted to, so far. Yes, he learned about the White Walkers being weapons created by the Children, but they could have just TOLD him that. However, I'm sure that his looking into the past thing will offer some important insight soon.

And Gandalf could have just flown Frodo to Mt Doom. :p

The snark is strong in this one. I'm only pointing out that, so far, Bran has learned nothing of importance which he couldn't have learned by people just communicating with him using their mouth-words.

The purpose of Bran in the weirwood was specifically to show us that he can influence the past with help of the Three-Eyed Raven. There is no way he could have done that on his own anywhere else or even just speaking with the children of the forest; the location and person involved was specifically pertinent to this revelation.

[Formalhaut]

The purpose of Bran in the weirwood was specifically to show us that he can influence the past with help of the Three-Eyed Raven.

And look where it got them :p

I've only just noticed that out of all of Bran's travelling companions, only Meera is left standing.

[Del Murder]

With the White Walkers I just want to see what their deal is. Following on from our LotR references, here's a GRRM quote:
I admire Tolkien greatly. His books had enormous influence on me. And the trope that he sort of established—the idea of the Dark Lord and his Evil Minions—in the hands of lesser writers over the years and decades has not served the genre well. It has been beaten to death. The battle of good and evil is a great subject for any book and certainly for a fantasy book, but I think ultimately the battle between good and evil is weighed within the individual human heart and not necessarily between an army of people dressed in white and an army of people dressed in black. When I look at the world, I see that most real living breathing human beings are grey.So far the White Walkers - admittedly not living breathing human beings! - have been following the exact trope that he is denouncing with this quote. I really hope that he practices what he preaches and there's more nuance to them than simply being grumpy ice zombies.
Very interesting. At this point it is hard to tell what is GRRM and what is GoT showrunners but it would certainly be refreshing if the book version of White Walkers are not just another version of 'ultimate evil'.

[Loony BoB]

To be fair, I've often wondered "Why not just let the White Walkers win? Would there be any real downside?" I mean, essentially everyone would then become immortal, right, and the war would be over? They don't seem to have to eat to survive, they don't mind the cold... so resource wars would be less of a thing. Seems pretty win-win. But then, I never see them smile, so I can only assume that they just aren't very happy people, and something must be causing that. I haven't seen the White Walkers mistreat each other in any way though!

[Mirage]

maybe they're just not very extroverted and keep their smiles inside themselves

[Mr. Carnelian]

To be fair, I've often wondered "Why not just let the White Walkers win? Would there be any real downside?" I mean, essentially everyone would then become immortal, right, and the war would be over? They don't seem to have to eat to survive, they don't mind the cold... so resource wars would be less of a thing. Seems pretty win-win. But then, I never see them smile, so I can only assume that they just aren't very happy people, and something must be causing that. I haven't seen the White Walkers mistreat each other in any way though!

You're advocating everyone becoming flesh-eating zombies?!

[Formalhaut]

If everyone became flesh-eating zombies, then there'd be no-one to voice opinions like yours, Mr. Carny!

I imagine the white walkers must do something in their spare time. Maybe they build snowmen and igloos together!

[Mr. Carnelian]

If everyone became flesh-eating zombies, then there'd be no-one to voice opinions like yours, Mr. Carny!

I imagine the white walkers must do something in their spare time. Maybe they build snowmen and igloos together!

That sounds like fun. Okay, I'm sold. Rooting for the white walkers now.

[Night Fury]

I mean they do questionable things with babies, but aye!

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/arKjvqV_700b.jpg

[Formalhaut]

Are you trying to make me cry, Shai?

[Shaibana]

Are you trying to make me cry, Shai?

yes, let the feels flow through you ;_;



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMI_HBO5FOM

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ab09128_700b.jpg

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Arya was clearly perturbed by the play she saw and we know she still has Needle buried in some rocks, so we're left to believe a girl is still someone. Yet we see her drink from the bowl of poison water and Jaqen says something like "If a girl is truly no one she has nothing to worry about". So the question is: Are the gods easily fooled, or is Jaqen testing her commitment further? I'm not sure what to make of it.

[Formalhaut]

Jaqen must know that Arya really pines to go back to Westeros - I doubt that girl is fooling everyone, so maybe he's nudging her along that goal? In secret, sympathetic to her cause? Bit of a long shot, admittedly.

[Psychotic]

Arya was clearly perturbed by the play she saw and we know she still has Needle buried in some rocks, so we're left to believe a girl is still someone. Yet we see her drink from the bowl of poison water and Jaqen says something like "If a girl is truly no one she has nothing to worry about". So the question is: Are the gods easily fooled, or is Jaqen testing her commitment further? I'm not sure what to make of it.I think the water was bulltrout and it was a leap of faith test. I'm not convinced the Many-Faced God is even A Thing in the way R'hllor or the Old Gods are.
Jaqen must know that Arya really pines to go back to Westeros - I doubt that girl is fooling everyone, so maybe he's nudging her along that goal? In secret, sympathetic to her cause? Bit of a long shot, admittedly.I really find that hard to believe. He has no emotions whatsoever. I think he'll kill Arya if she disobeys orders or tries to get out.

[Formalhaut]

Eh. It was only a thought. But he has given Arya a lot of chances.

[Shaibana]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfXP1RHLLx4

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

My prediction for Arya this season is she makes a half turn towards becoming a girl with no name, go gets her clothes and Needle, then just sort of encompasses the best of both worlds. I don't know how it'll play out because I'm under the impression you don't just "quit" the training of the faceless. There's too much at stake having someone walk around with that information.

[Jinx]

ABOUT TIME COLDHANDS MAKES AN APPEARANCE

The Tarly feels ;-; Sam's mom and sister are the sweetest

oh fuck randall srsly

AWWW YEAH SAM GROWN BALLS

Yes, Arya. Also UH OH. AND NEEDLE.

OH MACE that hat xD

GODDAMN HIGH SPARROW CRAZY EYES

So Coldhands IS Benjen

[Freya]

Uncle benjen!

Arya is not no one. Arya is arya freaking stark.

Poor Sam but he totes got revenge, plus they need that sword.

[Del Murder]

If that's all Arya's storyline here was leading to then it was a complete waste of time.

Cool to see some returning characters, can't believe they tied up the Benjen loose end.

Nice big ass dragon Dany, but we've heard this speech before and it usually goes nowhere.

[Psychotic]

OH MACE that hat xDMace the mothersmurfing Ace.

Also Mad King in Bran's visions!

http://i.imgur.com/qy0U13M.png
http://i.imgur.com/Hm0c5Vz.png

smurf yeah! Burn them all indeed.
If that's all Arya's storyline here was leading to then it was a complete waste of time.I half agree. The storyline itself has been meh, but I actually thought the scenes in the episode were the best she's had in a couple of years. She actually feels empathy for, of all people, Cersei and maybe realises taking lives isn't something to be done so casually after all. Which is good because the OMG BADASS ASSASSIN trout doesn't really do it for me.

[Pheesh]

SGxJwfno7m8

I'm dead. Done. If anyone needs me I'll be tending to my sides.

[Night Fury]

He's got a pair of hands
And they're cold to the touch
He wants to touch you face
wants to feel you up

He rides on an elk
So majestic and free
without this stranger
where will Bran and Meera be?

He's lifting his hands
and they're icy and gaunt
He waves them around
But this ain't no taunt

He's got the jazz hands
and they're waving at you
He looks like a Wight
'Cept his eyes aren't blue

He got them cooooooldhands
So chilly on you skin
If you've read the books
You'll be wondering where he been?

He's been riding that elk
Elks for days
Waving his hands
In errybody's face

He got that big old grin
and those jazzy hand motions
he lives in the forest
He doesn't dwell by the oceans

He's that Coldhands giant
Come to save the day!
He gives you a smile
The most magnificent waaaay

To say 'It's me Coldhands!, maybe also Benjen Stark'
I don't know who I am
So listen to me hark
I'm the Coooooooooooooldhands man.


SMURFING CALLED IT.

I had a feeling recently that Arya will kill 'Jaqen' and that girl with the plain face. Maybe next week? Maybe that's her test all along? Who knows, it's getting dumb. It seems unlikely that Jaqen tried that hard to recruit her and train her for him to just give the kill order with such nonchalance.

Also, Dany with another shout speech - how convenient that the dragon showed up right at the point huh? She's reaching like, God status and I'm wondering if that will be her downfall in the end to be honest.

I think Jamie is going to die. :(

Okay I'm basically like 100% sure Arya has to kill Plain Face. And also, she blew out the candle because she was blind and can handle that trout. And then Plain Face is not gonna see Needle coming..... Sneaky, sneaky girl....

[Shaibana]

Benjen is Coldhands!! BENJEN IS COLDHANDS.
i think its a shame they gave away the mystery of Coldhands so fast :3 and he has no elk!

The girl has a name after all

i kind of wanted a big battle between the army and the Faith.

and Dany is repeating her own storyline :( i hope they finaly sail for Westeros sooner or later

[Loony BoB]

Some pretty great stuff this episode, even though it was almost 100% predictable (exception: did not see Tommen joining the church thing). This show is so great that even the predictable stuff is pretty awesome.

[Shaibana]

a bit late, but..

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/am9EZ94_700b_v1.jpg

he just wants to make the Iron Island great again!


didnt i already post something like this??
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[Jinx]

OH MACE that hat xDMace the mothersmurfing Ace.

Also Mad King in Bran's visions!

http://i.imgur.com/qy0U13M.png




BILL MURRAY?!?!?!?!

Also, I'm glad you muppets are finally on board with me that Dany's speeches are just over the top and more of the same. DO SOMETHING STOP JUST TALKING DOOD

[Del Murder]

If that's all Arya's storyline here was leading to then it was a complete waste of time.I half agree. The storyline itself has been meh, but I actually thought the scenes in the episode were the best she's had in a couple of years. She actually feels empathy for, of all people, Cersei and maybe realises taking lives isn't something to be done so casually after all. Which is good because the OMG BADASS ASSASSIN trout doesn't really do it for me.
Those scenes were great. The point was all this training and slooooooowly joining with the faceless assassins was meaningless filler.

[Psychotic]

Then yeah, agreed. They handled the young kid trained by old master" thing a lot better with Bran by just having him skip a season. We could've done without countless episodes of staves and "Who are you?" "No-one".

[Rantz]

I always thought Benjen was the most obvious identity for Coldhands, so not particularly surprised to see it. Sad he didn't ride his moose, but I suppose trained meese are pretty hard to come by.

I also didn't see the Tommen Joins the Church thing coming even though it probably should have been the fairly logical conclusion from his scenes in recent episodes.

Glad Arya has a name again. Hope she does something more interesting than training montages for the rest of the season!

I think Dany's story is so much more interesting in the books because the best development happens in the details, and the details don't make it through to the show, where the developments are large in scale but don't seem to amount to much.

Sam and Gilly's story is a nice change of pace to more personal development rather than political scheming and epic action. I like it, and hope it amounts to something important in the end.

Edit: Super agree with the above. And the whole deal with the other girl having it out for Arya? Yawn.

[Psychotic]

I also didn't see the Tommen Joins the Church thing coming even though it probably should have been the fairly logical conclusion from his scenes in recent episodes.I've been rewatching Season 4 this week, and right after Joffrey dies Tywin asks Tommen what he thinks makes someone a good King. Tommen replies "Holiness" right off the bat. Lovely little piece of foreshadowing right there!

[Jinx]

Yeah, I actually wasn't expecting Tommen to join the church, either.

RE: Arya and the Faceless Men

I don't necessarily think it's been for nothing. I think it's shown that Arya DOES care and DOES want to be a good person. That giving up isn't for her. But it's been going on for two goddamn seasons. They could've told it in half the time, really.

I also thought Benjen was the most logical option for Coldhands, but it was still great to see him return!

[Aulayna]

Also, I'm glad you muppets are finally on board with me that Dany's speeches are just over the top and more of the same. DO SOMETHING STOP JUST TALKING DOOD

Yeah, even I, a big Dany fan, am getting a bit bored of it now.

Unrelated, I do wonder how many of the cast will be lost after their contracts end at the end of season 7, so many of them are becoming significantly older than the characters they're portraying. But then again I suspect fans would rage hard if some of the cast got replaced!

[theundeadhero]

I like that during Sam and his family's dinner they threw in the little reminder that not many people south of the wall believe the white walkers are real.

[Loony BoB]

Unrelated, I do wonder how many of the cast will be lost after their contracts end at the end of season 7, so many of them are becoming significantly older than the characters they're portraying. But then again I suspect fans would rage hard if some of the cast got replaced!
You say "So many" - but Sam Jnr, Bran and Rickon aside, I don't really see any reason for any of them to change. I think that changing active cast members from one episode to the next would break immersion considerably more than their IRL age changes would. Can you name who you think should change, out of curiosity?

[Bubba]

I think that changing active cast members from one episode to the next would break immersion considerably more than their IRL age changes would.

Agreed.

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[Slothy]

Apparently people consider events that lead to important character development to be pointless if that's all they accomplish. Strange.

[Shaibana]

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[Mr. Carnelian]

I think that changing active cast members from one episode to the next would break immersion considerably more than their IRL age changes would.

Agreed.

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I agree that the change in actors was jarring, but I allowed it because the replacement guy is HAWWT.

[Jinx]

Also, we've had what...five Mountains? The last Mountain was fine, but no one is believing his the Hound's older brother. He looks young enough to be his son.

I see no reason to change cast members. We're not actually given an exact timeline of the show, but things the characters say (I'm thinking of Sansa) makes you think it's been between 3-5 years in-world time. Given that the show is nearly over and the kids are almost done growing anyways, it'll be fine.

Basically, there's nothing to actually indicate they're too old to play the role they're in. Unless you think that like a year has gone by in world. Keep in mind that Danaerys was wed and nearly ready to have a child. So one year went by about in the first season alone.

[Slothy]

Indeed. And let's remember that despite seeing the highlights, wars take time to wage and there's been what? A million of them?

[Jinx]

Right, ahaha. And traveling takes time, too. They fast-forward through a lot of it because no one wants to see that. But I think from King's Landing to Winterfell is supposed to be like a two month journey?

Point is, a lot more time is going by then we actually see. Given how annoying Arya and Bran's stories have been in the past, not showing it all is a good thing.

(Also Fat Walda was married and had a baby too.)

[Psychotic]

I think from King's Landing to Winterfell is supposed to be like a two month journey?Yes. Unless you're Littlefinger.

[Jinx]

I think from King's Landing to Winterfell is supposed to be like a two month journey?Yes. Unless you're Littlefinger.

Move over Sam, there's a new wizard in town!

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I think Cersei is too confident going into a potential trial by combat. Her attitude is "I've got the Mountain so checkmate" but I can't imagine the sparrows haven't kept that in mind.

Now that Arya's on the run I can see her running into an old ally that will help her. Maybe Nymeria will show up. This could also be a good time to bring Gendry back in. I still haven't ruled out Syrio being alive somewhere. The guy who always tells death "not today" was killed off screen? Get out of here.

[Mr. Carnelian]

I think Cersei is too confident going into a potential trial by combat. Her attitude is "I've got the Mountain so checkmate" but I can't imagine the sparrows haven't kept that in mind.

I like to imagine that she'll come to the trial by combat and they'll say, "Sorry, no champions allowed. You've got to fight personally". Then it's Cersei versus Shame Lady.

[Slothy]

Aside from forcing her to fight herself I'm not sure it's possible to take an undead mountain into account.

Not many could beat him when he was alive.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Anyone on board with the theory that Euron Greyjoy had a part to play in the ships of Mereen burning? He's made it clear he wants to be with Dany and he now conveniently has something she doesn't.

Some people are blaming it on the slavers, but they want her to leave. So it wouldn't be ideal for them to burn and delay her exit to the west.

[Formalhaut]

Heh. On board.

It certainly makes sense, especially a bit about the slavers wanting Dany to leave and then shooting themselves in the foot by burning her boats.

[Pheesh]

On that subject, this made me lol

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[Jinx]

Possibly accept the fact that he does not have what she wants. He currently has no ships and it takes a very long time to make a ship. xD

[Pheesh]

I'm wondering if, in the instance of a trial by combat, Lancell will be put forward to fight for the clergy, and we may see some plot twist in which his father intervenes or tries to stop it from happening. Can't imagine it would be easy to watch your son's head get popped like a balloon.

[Formalhaut]

Possibly accept the fact that he does not have what she wants. He currently has no ships and it takes a very long time to make a ship. xD

With the Tyrell army currently sequestered in King's Landing, it isn't inconceivable that The Reach is rather undefended, and thus very vulnerable to raiding attacks. I'm sure Yara and Theon didn't take literally every ship on The Iron Islands, so they could just raid the lush lands of The Reach.

But still, 1,000 ships is a big ask. I mean, I know GoT loves to condense time (Littlefinger) but still.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I'll throw on an additional tinfoil hat and say Daario is helping Euron by burning the ships.

I'm not caught up on the books but I know enough from fan forums that "Daario=Euron" was always a popular fan theory. That's obviously not the case now since they're separate actors, but you can throw in the idea that two people working together means there isn't one person doing the work of superman.

I've always liked the idea of Daario and Jorah being equal opposites. They both come in as spies but Jorah turns face and Daario stays consistent to his facade. The characters GRRM writes are meant to have positives and negatives to them, but so far we haven't seen a lot of multidimensionality to Daario. He's just been a guy who shows up, wins fights, and has sex. A betrayal would make his character more complex.

[Bubba]

I like to imagine that she'll come to the trial by combat and they'll say, "Sorry, no champions allowed. You've got to fight personally". Then it's Cersei versus Shame Lady.

This would be great. Clearly Cersei is going to be there when Shame Lady dies after her whole "The last thing you see will be my face..." speech.

[Loony BoB]

If there were no champions allowed, I'm not certain how Shame Lady would suddenly be the appointed individual. You'd think it would have to be the High Sparrow, if anyone?

I could see it being Loris, be it his atonement or something. He's supposedly the best swordsman in the city, right? Would certainly make a very interesting battle. Or perhaps it'll be the Hound. That would certainly be something. I really want the Mountain to be defeated by the Hound someday.

[Psychotic]

It won't happen but I like the idea of Lannister v Lannister given that show Jaime still doesn't know about Cersei and Lancel.

[Loony BoB]

Whatever happens, we'll be getting another death soon!

Dreadful thought I'm going to bring up: Jon, Sansa, Ed, Brienne, Pod, Davos and Tormund all on one side of an impending battle.

...the odds that they all come out okay... =/

EDIT: Oh, and Melisandre, too, but she's not as much of a fan favourite as the others so idk.

[Pheesh]

I have two of them picked for my death pool and I stopped being shocked by character deaths after Oberyn, my body is ready.

[Loony BoB]

I have two of them picked for my death pool and I stopped being shocked by character deaths after Oberyn, my body is ready.
May I enquire as to your 'death pool'? :o

[Shauna]

Gosh BoB (http://home.eyesonff.com/showthread.php/167371-GoT-death-pool)

[Pheesh]

Yeah BoB! Gawrsh!

[Freya]

I am excited for a Brienne x Jamie meetup again! He's going to the blackfish and so is she!

[Loony BoB]

Oh, yeah. Someone has to remind me what Blackfish is and what was going on with Frey because I got a bit confused at those bits. Also, why is Brienne going there? I feel like I missed something really obvious with that Blackfish stuff.

[Shaibana]

Oh, yeah. Someone has to remind me what Blackfish is and what was going on with Frey because I got a bit confused at those bits. Also, why is Brienne going there? I feel like I missed something really obvious with that Blackfish stuff.

So do i.

I believe the Blackfish is the father or uncle of the prisoner Edmure Tully, who got married at the Red Wedding with a frey girl.


Im not so sure about the intentions of Brienne.

captain?

[Freya]

http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/series/game-of-thrones/character/s5/blackfish-tully-1024.jpg was Catelyns Uncle. He got away at the Red Wedding while her brother, the guy they brought in who's wedding the whole thing was for, was still captured.

So
https://outlanderonline.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/108.jpgall the Stark kids Uncle, is still captured by the Freys.

The Blackfish is their Great Uncle. And he has taken back Riverrun, their home, after the Freys took it over after the Red Wedding.

They mentioned The Blackfish taking it back and also the
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/58/55/49/5855490e292812beaa4f62aaf00aa78c.jpgThose guys were the ones that first had the resurrection thing. They revived Berric Dondarrion after the Hound fought him. That's where the hound and Arya teamed up.

So The Tullys (Catelyn's family) and the Brotherhood without Banners are smurfing up the Lannisters and Freys while everyone else is busy with the Sparrows and that nonsense and the Boltons and that nonsense. Basically a MEANWHILE.... kinda thing.

So Sansa sent Brienne to go get her great uncle to help against the boltons and Tommen sent Jamie to go help the Freys against the Tullys and B w/o B.

[Formalhaut]

Unlike the other forgotten story line of the past few seasons (the Greyjoys), the Tully/Frey plot line has actually been moving off-screen. Honestly, I rather they replaced Dorne with the other two.

One question I have is to do with the visions Bran was having. We saw the Mad King's wildfire plot defeated through his death, but what happened to the caches of wildfire that is (presumably) still in King's Landing? I know Tyrion used a lot of Wildfire in the Battle of the Blackwater, but there must have been more to raze the entire capital, surely?

[Freya]

Yeah it showed them exploding! But they never did that. Are they still there? Or was that showing the Battle of the Blackwater explosions. I don't think it was but... hmm

[Jinx]

I feel like the answer is probably in season two, but unfortunately I can't remember what it is. :(

[Formalhaut]

Yeah it showed them exploding! But they never did that. Are they still there? Or was that showing the Battle of the Blackwater explosions. I don't think it was but... hmm

I'm calling it now - cue massive King's Landing explosion, or at least an attempt to stop that from happening. Maybe the Faith Militant decided that everyone needed to atone a fiery, fiery death, who am I to judge?

I mean, it might not even happen. But that would be a fantastic plot twist.

[Loony BoB]

Cheers for the breakdown of events! So effectively at the moment we have...

Northest:
- White Walkers vs. Humans

Norther:
- Starks vs. Boltons

North:
- Baelish (in effective control of Arryns) vs. Boltons

Midlands:
- LolBaratheons, Lannisters and Freys vs. Tullys and Brotherhood Without Banners

West:
- Greyjoys vs. Greyjoys

South:
- Dorne vs. Lannister & LolBaratheons

East:
- Dany's Motley Crew vs. Slavers

Sound vaguely right? D:

[Freya]

Well and you have

Sparrows vs Tyrells & Lannisters in the capitol

[Loony BoB]

Oh yeah. Derp. I guess you can throw in LolBaratheons with the Sparrows now!

[Slothy]

Unlike the other forgotten story line of the past few seasons (the Greyjoys), the Tully/Frey plot line has actually been moving off-screen. Honestly, I rather they replaced Dorne with the other two.

One question I have is to do with the visions Bran was having. We saw the Mad King's wildfire plot defeated through his death, but what happened to the caches of wildfire that is (presumably) still in King's Landing? I know Tyrion used a lot of Wildfire in the Battle of the Blackwater, but there must have been more to raze the entire capital, surely?

I was fairly certain Tyrion used all of the wildfire because the second he found out about it be thought it was insane to keep all of it in the city. He knew how volatile it was and was very concerned that when Stannis attacked that the whole damn city could accidentally explode.

[Kalevala]

The returned focus to the Riverlands and the name dropping of the Brotherhood Without Banners gives me hope that a certain plotline might be included in the show after all.

[Jinx]

The returned focus to the Riverlands and the name dropping of the Brotherhood Without Banners gives me hope that a certain plotline might be included in the show after all.

oh trout oh trout oh trout

EDIT: also got a good chuckle out of the filter just then, because tullys are fish

[Shaibana]

The returned focus to the Riverlands and the name dropping of the Brotherhood Without Banners gives me hope that a certain plotline might be included in the show after all.

seeing that they included Coldhands after all (eventho the entire story got shortened to 'Hi im benjen!') i can see it happen and i hope they do :o


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[Jinx]

HO HO HO THIS OPENING...WE ABOUT TO SEE A CERTAIN HOUND RETURN???
oh yup, i was right
lol casual misogyny
i'm taking the rose on the paper to mean that she's still faithful to higharden...hmmm
you have my giant! and MY AXE
frey fashion is so stupid
GOLD HAND PIMP SLAP MOTHERSMURFA
goddamn lady mormont is a bad ass little bitch
goddamn i love this kid
she needs a goddamn award
someone get this kid an emmy
also lol an 8yo is a better actress than emilia clarke that is SAD
moar lyanna mormont pls
lol jon snow manbun
theon ;-;
looks like psychotic's guess they were going to turn asha into a lesbian was right
this is the strangest drinking game i've ever seen
OH ShIT FREAKY OLD LADY
WHAT WHAT WHAT
WHATHATHATHATHATH
SHE'S WEARING A VEST RIGHT
LIKE
WHAT
FUCK NO SHE'S FOR REAL SCARED
i mean obviously we all knew the old lady was that waif bitch but i figured like
ARYRA FIGHT BACK OR WEAR SOMETHING AND DON'T BE STUPID
well hello what happened here
rip septon man, we hardly knew ye

[Pheesh]

Oh my sweet Arya ;_;

Save her Syrio!

[Psychotic]

No broken men speech? Aww. Still, would not want to be on the receiving end of whatever hell the Hound is about to raise now.

Also god damn Lyanna Mormont for Queen. I love that she even went to the battle encampment.

Also also Arya is a fucking moron and had that coming. La-di-da just gonna stroll round Braavos with a sword throwing money at sailors and telling everyone I'm from Westeros. Should've died. I'm disappointed because last week we had her blowing out the candle, like she was prepared for the Faceless Men to come after her and so she would fight in the dark now that she had learned how. Instead we're going to get a bit of a parkour chase culminating in the Waif about to kill Arya but then not listening to Jaqen, trying to make it personal which results in a reversal of fortune and Arya killing her. BAH BAH BAH BORING WRITING. Prove me wrong, Game of Thrones!

[Loony BoB]

If there were no champions allowed, I'm not certain how Shame Lady would suddenly be the appointed individual. You'd think it would have to be the High Sparrow, if anyone?

I could see it being Loris, be it his atonement or something. He's supposedly the best swordsman in the city, right? Would certainly make a very interesting battle. Or perhaps it'll be the Hound. That would certainly be something. I really want the Mountain to be defeated by the Hound someday.
Can... can I believe?

[Psychotic]

Seen a lot of speculation that yes, it was a little too easy with Arya and the whole thing is a set up with her new theatrical skills to make the Waif think she's dead. If so I take back everything I said because she certainly had me sold! I just default to Stark = dumb.

[Loony BoB]

Next question: What do you guys think will happen with the various battles?

Theory One: Message written by Sansa is to Blackfish. He makes a deal with Jaime to be able to have his forces leave and return to the North, and the Starks, in exchange for leaving the castle to the Lannisters.

Theory Two: Message written by Sansa is to Baelish, and we can all be very upset at whatever that could mean.

[Jinx]

She was writing to Baelish, I believe.

I actually at first thought that Arya was doing it for show so the Waif thought she was dead. That was actually my first inclination. But when she got out of the water and looked genuinely scared at the blood coming out of her gut, I wasn't so sure anymore.

ALSO YES LYANNA MORMONT IS EVERYTHING

[Shaibana]

I like little Lady Mormont xD we need more of her

with all the training Arya had you would think she would do better then this :(

Maergery is just playing around, she is a Tyrell after all. i really hope she can find a way to get rid of the faith <3

[Psychotic]

You know, for such a tiny little irrelevant Northern house the Mormonts have more than made their mark on the series.

[Freya]

I want Rickon to survive and I want Rickon and Lyanna Mormont to be wed. And I want Rickon to take the Mormont Name instead because goddamn. She'll protect him :3

Also I think it's important to notice not only did Margery give her a rose, but a rose with thorns. THORNS.

[Jinx]

I DIDN'T SEE THE THORNS

Also, I personally rooting for Pod and Lady Mormont in a few years, once she's grown up some. I think they'd balance each other out quite nicely.

[Shaibana]

I DIDN'T SEE THE THORNS


i didnt notice it either

[Loony BoB]

Are the thorns not normally there?

[Freya]

Grandmother is known as the Queen of Thorns. Their sigil is just the rose not necessarily the thorns included.

http://www.songoficeandfiregroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/house_tyrell_by_liquidsouldesign-d467jau.jpg

Including the Thorns may signify that not only is she still faithful to her house but to her grandmother specifically

[Rantz]

Including the Thorns may signify that not only is she still faithful to her house but to her grandmother specifically
Or that Margaery herself still has thorns.


I want Rickon to survive and I want Rickon and Lyanna Mormont to be wed. And I want Rickon to take the Mormont Name instead because goddamn. She'll protect him :3
I'd ship it.


Seen a lot of speculation that yes, it was a little too easy with Arya and the whole thing is a set up with her new theatrical skills to make the Waif think she's dead. If so I take back everything I said because she certainly had me sold! I just default to Stark = dumb.
I hope it's something along these lines because if not then yeah, she's a complete dumbass. She definitely did seem genuinely scared after she got out of the water though.

Interestingly, Arya's part of the episode description on HBO Nordic says "Arya makes a plan." Just buying passage to Westeros seems far too simple to be a "plan", so... ??? Then again, the Jamie bit says "Jaime confronts a hero" which is a dumb way to describe it so it's probably not something to put much stock in.

[Pheesh]

Fair to say that Arya could have planned to let the girl think she killed her and then still be terrified and panicked when left bleeding from her stomach. I think it was too stark (no pun intended) a contrast from her hiding in a pitch black room to simply taking a leisurely stroll through the middle of the streets, so it makes sense if she planned to let them find her.

[Kalevala]

It better be a ruse on Arya's part. If she suffers from that many stab wounds, leaps into a river, climbs out, and wanders around the streets and survives it will be one of the worst instances of "plot armour" I've seen in some time. Talisa keeled over pretty much immediately when the same thing happened to her, and that was without the parkour bits.

[Freya]

Well, she was very obvious in what she was doing and then very obvious in her march through public so EVERYONE saw she was still alive but bleeding.

[Ayen]

A man sees a girl discussed, yet a girl does not show her face. A man will correct this.

A girl named Arya Stark plays a dangerous game with the Waif. Had the Waif chose a different method Arya Stark's face would join the hall with the others. How can a girl harbor resentment towards Arya Stark if a girl is truly no one? A girl does not check her kill to see the deed is done? Perhaps a man should rethink his recruitment in the future.

Does a man underestimate the distance between the Hound and the others, or was he so focused on chopping wood he did not hear the cries of his people being butchered? Have the Brotherhood changed their stripes and become effective at stealth killing? Perhaps they can teach a girl how to show more discretion.

A man named Davos Seaworth is too at ease with the bastard Jon Snow charging Winterfell with a small army after what happened to Stannis Baratheon. Perhaps he thinks the bastard knows things Stannis does not. Camping at the last place Stannis was seen alive is a poor omen of the future. Perhaps he truly believes in Lyanna Mormont and her 62 good men.

A man has found some images of mild amusement. A man no longer takes joy in such things, but mayhaps those here can find enjoyment in them.

http://i.imgur.com/WTWr20r.png

http://i.imgur.com/zkma6hC.png

http://i.imgur.com/Np4NJHN.jpg

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

"A Lannister always p-"

"Don't say it."

[McLovin']

"A Lannister always p-"

"Don't say it."

Don't fooking say it.

If this arya story doesn't pay off it'll be the worst writing.the only way it could be good is of jaquen is helping arya in the background and it'll all be revealed in the end. A man can hope.

[Del Murder]

The Hound better have a big role left to play, because he got several scenes that just led to him being once again angry and alone.

Episode was a lot of setup with the exception of Hound's return and Arya getting stabbed. If she planned it then why walk through the streets bleeding? It would show them she was still alive.

I think the Riverlands battle will end with the knights of the Vale descending to rout the Lannister/Frey army. That's got to be what all this Sansa/Littlefinger business is about. I think Jamie's days may be numbered. Bronn will live, because Bronn always lives.

[Psychotic]

People have analysed what Sansa's letter said.

There's spoilers for the rest of the season, I guess:

http://imgur.com/a/p2mfe

So looks like we're going to have a LotR style Ride of the Rohirrim save at Winterfell.

[Loony BoB]

Bronn will live, because Bronn always lives.
You could say this about pretty much anyone still in the show.