Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Psychotic]

Oh, also, in relation to AA, don't forget the other prophecy that Azor Ahai will be reborn from the line of Aerys (the Mad King) and Rhaella. So at least as far as the books go, it does rule out the likes of The Hound and Jaime, and even secret Targaryen Tyrion (and I still don't believe he is but it's a good theory).

Not including the Mad King and Rhaella's stillborn babies, It leaves you with seven named characters it could be - Rhaegar, Viserys, Daenerys, Rhaenys, Aegon, Jon and Rhaego. I'd only put Rhaenys and Viserys in the definitely not it category. Rhaego may seem like a strange choice, but THE STALLION WHO MOUNTS THE WORLD and that vision Dany had in the House of the Undying means there was certainly something about the poor kid. I still think it's Rhaegar but hey you never know.

[Jinx]

What prophecy is that, Psy? I don't remember that one.

Also, I'm fine with the title of the episode. The majority of the show might not have taken place there, but the majority of the episode was spent formulating a plan about getting there and getting a wight or White Walker. So it wasn't exactly inaccurate.

[Freya]

So the next episode is called "Death is the Enemy". What in the world do you guys think that could mean?

[Del Murder]

That Jon and the Jonettes are about to go fight the undead?

[Freya]

Saw this getting passed around on a few places and I lol'd

73644

Gendry is going to get powerleveled in this new dungeon.

[Psychotic]

What prophecy is that, Psy? I don't remember that one.You can see it mentioned here: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ghost_of_High_Heart

As we know from her predictions to Arya and the BWB, she is pretty good at what she does!

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I know it's too little too late at this point but a part of me has always wanted Little Finger to be a Snape type figure who has a redeeming death.

Sadly I think he's just a snake through and through.

[theundeadhero]

The best part of this theorizing is talking about how GRRM throws fantasy tropes on their head, then basing all your predictions on the fantasy trope that prophecies are always 100% true. To pull from The Hound, "Fuck prophecy". They're old stories that sound more like folk legends than divine forsight and there's no reason to trust them. So Cersie managed to outlive her kids. Maggy the frog is full of shit and a little brother isn't waiting around to stab her.

[Psychotic]

True, but you can't argue with Maggy the Frog's results so far! Or Jingle Bell or the Ghost of High Heart for that matter.

[Jinx]

maybe

maybe prophecy DOES matter

[Jinx]

In fact, if it really does, it'd be even better? Because if Rhaegar WAS AA, then the world is pretty fucked.

[Del Murder]

Hopefully Martin will live another 20 years so that he finishes the series and you guys can finally find out. As for the show, I think they are quite comfortable about using as many fantasy tropes as they need to wrap this thing up.

[Jinx]

Fantasy tropes are fine. There is such a thing as too much subverting tropes becoming a trope in itself.

[Del Murder]

Wait a minute... what if using only a few tropes to avoid the subverting trope then becomes the ultimate trope? Should you use more or less tropes at that point???

[Psychotic]

Wait a minute... what if using only a few tropes to avoid the subverting trope then becomes the ultimate trope? Should you use more or less tropes at that point???Game of Tropes.

[Jinx]

Wait a minute... what if using only a few tropes to avoid the subverting trope then becomes the ultimate trope? Should you use more or less tropes at that point???

I'd say either is fine, if you moderately use tropes, your fan base will never know when something is a trope or a subverted trope.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

There was a fan poll taken at Con of Thrones. Out of 5 or 6 groups of fans straw polled, 90% of people in every group said we're straight up just not getting a dream of spring.

Instead of waiting with baited breath for the final 2 books, an overwhelming majority of fans are just on board with Game of Thrones season 8 being the only ending they're ever going to get.

It helps the defeatist attitude along that Martin said he doesn't want his work to be released posthumously.

I can appreciate and understand where Martin is coming from when he says a writer should be able to write at their own pace and write what they want to write, but at the same time I think the pressure should be on. He's working with showrunners who have run out of source material and he's spending a lot of time making all these lore books and side stories.

[Jinx]

There was a fan poll taken at Con of Thrones. Out of 5 or 6 groups of fans straw polled, 90% of people in every group said we're straight up just not getting a dream of spring.

Instead of waiting with baited breath for the final 2 books, an overwhelming majority of fans are just on board with Game of Thrones season 8 being the only ending they're ever going to get.

It helps the defeatist attitude along that Martin said he doesn't want his work to be released posthumously.

I can appreciate and understand where Martin is coming from when he says a writer should be able to write at their own pace and write what they want to write, but at the same time I think the pressure should be on. He's working with showrunners who have run out of source material and he's spending a lot of time making all these lore books and side stories.

If he wasn't writing lore books and side stories so often, I don't think people would get so upset. And he travels a LOT. Granted, he's a famous author, but sometimes it seems excessive.

And he SHOULD get to dictate the pace he writes and if his work can be written by someone else posthumously. But at the same time, he doesn't get to be pissy when people say they think he'll die before he finishes it, or when D&D get to do big reveals he wanted to do first (re: Hodor).

I think it's probably we'll get The Winds of Winter, but not A Dream of Spring. And he's even mentioned before that he MIGHT need more than two more books to finish the story.

But when he's taking 7+ years between books, it's likely we won't see it.

[theundeadhero]

The ghost of high heart is a bit of a different case, though. She wasn't having visions of the future, she had a greenseer telling her the future they saw. That's a little different than blood magic and storytime.

[Psychotic]

I think GRRM lost that loving feeling when it came to this story a long time ago, he hates feeling trapped by it and wants to do other things, and now he's just going through the motions.

[Jinx]

I think you're right, and that's fair. I think more than anything, he hates having to stick something like a schedule.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I was talking about this with Freya the other day. Unlike a writer like Brandon Sanderson who holds himself accountable with deadlines and cranks out books, Martin treats writing like "hey i'm just a guy fortunate enough to do a hobby full time" instead of a job with a deadline.

[Freya]

Oh hay that's me :D

Yeah Sanderson is a writing machine. He does treat it like it's a job. And Yeah Martin doesn't and that's why I think we just don't get anything. Heck Stephen King also treats it more like a job. He cranks out a book every year. Then you also have writers like Rothfuss who wrote the entire third book of the kingkiller chronicle and decided.. naaah. And is starting it over from scratch, he's at 6 years now between the last one and the next one.

Some writers wait for the muse to hit them, others make the muse come to them by working at catching her.

[Jinx]

Wait, what. Tell me more about this Rothfuss.

[Freya]

He has two big books part of a series called The Kingkiller Chronicles, First one is The Name of the Wind, the second is The Wise Man's Fear. First book came out in 2007, second in 2011. People really like the series but are angry he wont do more (See the GRRM thing except Rothfuss isn't as old, just slow). Keeps writing shorts. One of his shorts was edited GASP by GRRM. (Also a short was in an anthology with Sanderson)

[Del Murder]

It's clear that writers like Martin and Rothfuss are more interested in creating worlds than crafting a complete narrative. Tolkien was like that too. It's fine if that's what they want to do but it is a bummer to those who get into their series without the beforehand knowledge that this story may not actually have an ending. At least editor pressure (I believe) caused Tolkien to make Lord of the Rings a more contained story.

[Loony BoB]

I'm cool with all of that but the idea of saying "nah mate I don't want any editor to release my knowledge of the ending post-humous" is just arrogance. Let us know what was gonna happen, even if it's just in a bunch of notes.

[Crop]

It's a shame because I think the show (while still entertaining) has suffered since running out of book. It would have been great to have had the books completed before the show aired, or at least before it finished. Then they could have just tweaked and removed what was necessary to translate it to TV, which is what I understand they did in the earlier series.

[Del Murder]

I'm cool with all of that but the idea of saying "nah mate I don't want any editor to release my knowledge of the ending post-humous" is just arrogance. Let us know what was gonna happen, even if it's just in a bunch of notes.
Well, it is his work so as long as he is alive he can say anything he wants about it. Thing is, dead men can't own copyrights. So it will be up to whoever he bequeaths that to.

[Jinx]

I'm cool with all of that but the idea of saying "nah mate I don't want any editor to release my knowledge of the ending post-humous" is just arrogance. Let us know what was gonna happen, even if it's just in a bunch of notes.
Well, it is his work so as long as he is alive he can say anything he wants about it. Thing is, dead men can't own copyrights. So it will be up to whoever he bequeaths that to.

Mostly likely his wife, who would also most likely respect his wishes.

[Del Murder]

I actually didn't even know he was married. And Martin's actually only 68, so he could conceivably be writing these things well into his 80s. He may finish it yet!

[Freya]

Saw this, laughed

https://i.imgur.com/KXy0gyv.gif

[Loony BoB]

EDIT: This thread can as of right now (uh... 4:27pm on 17th August UK time) contain unmarked Game of Thrones spoilers to your heart's desire

So apparently the next episode has already been leaked. I am so fed up with that crap. All it does is mean I have to spend a full week trying to avoid spoilers. :mad2: How do leakers think this is helping the fans? It was going to be out anyway. Now all that happens is that people might spoil stuff for those who are opting to wait. Leak stuff that is otherwise never going to get released all you like, but leaking an episode early is just stupid and as far as I'm concerned helps nobody.

[Psychotic]

Apparently it was a mistake and HBO inadvertently broadcast it in Spain. You're right about spoilers though, and that's precisely why I'm going to watch the leak the second I get home. It makes no difference to me whether I watch it today or watch it at the proper time, so as far as I'm concerned I may as well do it today and then I don't have to worry about dodging spoilers. I know there's always the "But then I have to wait longer for the next episode" reason that some give, but that doesn't really bother me.

[Loony BoB]

Torrent downloads never seem as good quality as the TV shows no matter how many GB they are, at least for me. If HBO themselves leaked it, they should just air it early for everyone. But for me, I'm kinda hoping to delay until Monday because I want to watch it with Sarah, who won't be here until Saturday.

Also if I watch it early I'll just want to talk about it in the #got channel I frequent and I won't be able to :stare:

[Doomie]

Apparently it was a mistake and HBO inadvertently broadcast it in Spain. You're right about spoilers though, and that's precisely why I'm going to watch the leak the second I get home. It makes no difference to me whether I watch it today or watch it at the proper time, so as far as I'm concerned I may as well do it today and then I don't have to worry about dodging spoilers. I know there's always the "But then I have to wait longer for the next episode" reason that some give, but that doesn't really bother me.

Ditto. It's buffering as I type this. EDIT: Excellent quality, too.

Not being AA doesn't preclude Tyrion from being a Targ, but I completely forgot about that prophecy. Good catch.

Martin may be 68, but he has the body of a 78-year-old that ate a slightly larger 75-year-old.

I'll be posting things like "OH NO (T)HE(Y) DIDN'T" in about an hour.

[WarZidane]

Problem with watching the leaks is that they're terrible quality, which lowers viewing pleasure.

Thankfully I don't have to be too paranoid about spoilers, apart from not frequenting places where they blatantly post spoilers i also don't really care about being spoiled :p

[Doomie]

Edit for BoB: Episode. Good.

The leak I found was 1080p.

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, even stuff like that should DEFINITELY be behind spoiler tags. Anything related to leaked episodes, even when vague, should be behind tags, thanks.

I think I'll have to avoid this thread for a week at this rate. :p

[Doomie]

Ah, my bad. Didn't think that really spoiled anything beyond it being a really good episode. I'll know for the next leak!

[Freya]

Goddamnit. I watch with a live party so I can't watch leaks. We have a rule that no one can watch leaks cause we all want to experience it together. I even have another person showing up Sunday. SO UGHHH I am always browsing GoT stuff so this will be a difficult rest of the week. Guess I have to get even more stardew valley obessed

[Jinx]

As long as you don't post on Reddit, you'll probably be fine.

This is a great late bday present for me, especially if it's so high quality! Our first internet hates HBONow (also fucking flash, HBO?) so it usually takes us about 30 minutminutes s longer to watch an episode than it is.

[Psychotic]

The episode is indeed out and in HD.

I'm going to give out a piece of very minor information that will make enjoying the episode a lot more enjoyable. I don't think it is a spoiler as it doesn't give away any plot whatsoever, but if you're a spoilerphobe like BoB I've put it in tags to help you. Personally I would rather have known this before the episode as I'd be able to concentrate on it more. It isn't just the 7 heroes that go off beyond the wall, there's also some redshirt wildlings or Night's Watch or whatever that go with them. Whenever anything bad happened to one of them it was quite brief and I'd spend ages freaking out, counting the team and seeing who was still alive. Don't. When any of the main party is in any sort of peril, you will know.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I would like to at least know this much going in, out of curiosity.

Is this a single plotline episode where we only focus on the Eastwatch fellows?

[Psychotic]

I would like to at least know this much going in, out of curiosity.

Is this a single plotline episode where we only focus on the Eastwatch fellows? No, although as you can imagine it gets top billing. It's also worth noting that there is absolutely no King's Landing in the episode so there is more of a tighter focus elsewhere.

[The Captain]

Going back to something brought up a bit earlier, I think Lionsgate might already have our next series to obsess over lined up, though maybe Rothfuss will finish before his ending gets spoiled:



http://deadline.com/2016/12/john-rogers-lionsgate-the-kingkiller-chronicle-showrunner-1201869604/

It even includes Lin-Manuel Miranda!


Take care all.

[Jinx]

Hey isn't that the dude and isn't that the series that the author refuses to finish? MAYBE STOP MAKING TELEVISION SHOWS BASED ON UNFINISHED SERIES YA THINK.

That said, I fully expect Westworld to be the monster that fills the void. It's already MASSIVE, and after GoT people are going to go searching out dynamic TV with high production value and the room for theorycrafting.

[Freya]

Oh hay we were just talking about the Kingkiller books in here! Lmao, stop picking authors who are taking forever to finish things.

[Jinx]

I genuinely suggest watching the episode even if you want to wait. You're going to get spoilers, and it's going to be worse than the annoyance you feel now. Some fun stuff happens, and there's still five days to go.

That's my friendly PSA, though. Just don't cry when you get some of the episodes big (and small too, I guess) moments spoiled for you.

[Bubba]

LOL. Well Gendry's return was short-lived.

RIP.

[Del Murder]

*bans Bubba*


So apparently the next episode has already been leaked. I am so fed up with that crap. All it does is mean I have to spend a full week trying to avoid spoilers. :mad2: How do leakers think this is helping the fans? It was going to be out anyway. Now all that happens is that people might spoil stuff for those who are opting to wait. Leak stuff that is otherwise never going to get released all you like, but leaking an episode early is just stupid and as far as I'm concerned helps nobody.
Loony BoB and Donald Trump: Both hate leakers.

[Shauna]

saddest anime death 2017

[Loony BoB]

LOL. Well Gendry's return was short-lived.

RIP.
What the actual fuck Bubba D:

[Bubba]

I can confirm I have no idea what happens in episode six.

[Del Murder]

Too bad Loony BoB is never going to click that to learn the truth.

[Jinx]

Ha, well, Gendry being captured and turned into a White Walker by the Night King while Jon Snow screams helpless and the Night King smiles is one of my favorite moments in this episode.

[Aulayna]

So what's the shizzle with discussing the leaked ep, yay or nay?

[Freya]

yay if marked as a spoiler.

nay if just posting

There's a few of us actively avoiding the leaked episode until it normally airs. Personally I have a watching party and it's better if we all get to go "OMG" together.

[Aulayna]

So I guess the Night King is just going to burn his way through The Wall with his new dragon pet. Also Arya needs to get shanked soon...

[Night Fury]

I started a re-watch last night for the first time.

God the first season is amazing - I forgot how many fantastic locations they had in Kings Landing and all of the detail...

Now Kings Landing is just Cersei's bedroom and the same corridor... :(

[Jinx]

I started a re-watch last night for the first time.

God the first season is amazing - I forgot how many fantastic locations they had in Kings Landing and all of the detail...

Now Kings Landing is just Cersei's bedroom and the same corridor... :(

Don't forget the occasional throne room shot!

[Night Fury]

Yes sometimes that also.

I wouldn't be against Robert Baratheon returning in some mystical way I mean crazier things have happened and that guy is a 10/10 top kek.

[Jinx]

Yes sometimes that also.

I wouldn't be against Robert Baratheon returning in some mystical way I mean crazier things have happened and that guy is a 10/10 top kek.

tbh just him coming back to scream about whorish mothers would be A++

[Psychotic]

I think it's only fair that we hold off talking about the episode here - even in spoiler tags - given that the premise of the thread has always been the aired episode, and some people might make mistakes and click on them. What do you all think?

Of course, if people really want to discuss the leaked episode and OMG or WTF or LOL or whatever it is you on fleek internet baes are saying these fidget spinner days, feel free to shoot me a PM.

[Formalhaut]

I've not watched the leaked episode and don't intend to until it actually airs. Having said that, if something's in clearly marked spoiler tags - like, Spoilers for leaked unaired episode YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED - or even double spoiler tagging, then I don't see why not.

But that's just my two cents. I'm not really fussed either way.

[Jinx]

Could just make a separate thread and merge them together when it officially airs.

[Bri]

Ha, well, Gendry being captured and turned into a White Walker by the Night King while Jon Snow screams helpless and the Night King smiles is one of my favorite moments in this episode.

Seriously? If this is true than why didn't you put a damn spoiler tag up??? Instead you just post this crap up for everyone who doesn't want to get spoiled, spoiled.

[Psychotic]

Okay, can we at least stop with the "ha ha this wacky and outlandish thing totally happens oops did I spoil you?" gags now folks? As weird as it sounds, even if I confirm that doesn't happen, saying that it doesn't happen is still a spoiler too.

[Jinx]

wait so i'm not supposed to tell them that cersei is marrying robert strong or nah???

[Psychotic]

That's not even his name in the show. They're not even pretending about who he is!

[Loony BoB]

Following an excellent idea in staff, the thread has been torn in half. Anyone wanting to discuss the leaked episodes of GoT can now post happily in this thread (http://home.eyesonff.com/showthread.php/170611-Game-of-Thrones-leaked-episode-discussion-unmarked-spoilers-abound).

[Jinx]

You mean my idea. In here.

[Loony BoB]

Oh. Well I guess two people presented the idea separately so great minds etc! Thanks!

[Jinx]

my mind is ok i guess

[Psychotic]

OH MY GOD THAT ENDING HOLY CRAP

he is bringing down the god damn wall with that thing

[Jinx]

ooooh he just might be holy shit

the show has really been ramping up the HEY LOOK AT THIS FUCKIN FIRE shit recentl

[Shaibana]

Holy moly, seriously, im jumping around the house!!
Omg this did Not just happen, amagaaadd they.. they have 1 D:
tho it was predictable that one 1 of the lesser important dragons would die, this.. breaks my heart.. twice...

also: valerian rubber (when jon is on the horse, running away)


so.. everything summed up in 1 meme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYZn-xUxmO0

[Psychotic]

pour one out for uncle god damn benjen and his fire mace tho

[Shaibana]

pour one out for uncle god damn benjen and his fire mace tho
https://memecrunch.com/meme/BEAOT/you-da-real-mvp/image.jpg?w=992&c=1


also: i think there is going to be a showdown between Night-King-Dragon and Bran-Dragon
https://i0.wp.com/www.gameofthronesitaly.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CvtcaZIWcAEAIAJ.jpg?fit=640%2C710

[Del Murder]

Well, the remainder of the season just leaked. I guess nothing is safe anymore?

At this point I've just caved and watched the finale. And MAN, what an episode! I'm not sure what's left for this show to do after that.

[Jinx]

Well, the remainder of the season just leaked. I guess nothing is safe anymore?

At this point I've just caved and watched the finale. And MAN, what an episode! I'm not sure what's left for this show to do after that.

Seriously? The final episode leaked?

[Psychotic]

Well, the remainder of the season just leaked. I guess nothing is safe anymore?

At this point I've just caved and watched the finale. And MAN, what an episode! I'm not sure what's left for this show to do after that.

Seriously? The final episode leaked?Looks like the Littlefinger has just got Littlefingered.

[Shaibana]

Well, the remainder of the season just leaked. I guess nothing is safe anymore?

At this point I've just caved and watched the finale. And MAN, what an episode! I'm not sure what's left for this show to do after that.

Seriously? The final episode leaked?


what? for real? omg :o i'm not sure if i want to see it yet anyway

[Bubba]

I will wait till it airs.

Then it's a much shorter wait until season 8

[Bubba]

RIP Gendry.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I've remained relatively unspoiled.

But I've seen there's a slew of articles coming out like "You won't believe what we've deduced about Sunday's episode via the trailer and promotional photos".

And a whole bunch of people are like get the smurf out of here with your "deduced". You saw the leak.

So I've pretty much avoided articles that attempt theory crafting.

[Psychotic]

RIP Gendry.Nope, he doesn't die. Yep, that's what you get when you come to this thread and try your routine here.

[Jinx]

Well, the remainder of the season just leaked. I guess nothing is safe anymore?

At this point I've just caved and watched the finale. And MAN, what an episode! I'm not sure what's left for this show to do after that.

Seriously? The final episode leaked?


what? for real? omg :o i'm not sure if i want to see it yet anyway

Nothing on r/gameofthrones or r/freefolk, so I think Del was just doing a goof.

[Psychotic]

Well, the remainder of the season just leaked. I guess nothing is safe anymore?

At this point I've just caved and watched the finale. And MAN, what an episode! I'm not sure what's left for this show to do after that.

Seriously? The final episode leaked?


what? for real? omg :o i'm not sure if i want to see it yet anyway

Nothing on r/gameofthrones or r/freefolk, so I think Del was just doing a goof.You were the Littlefinger. It was you, you all along.

[Del Murder]

No, it's true. HBO was hacked by the Russians and they released the episode on their state news channel. The video is grainy and subtitled but a dragon burning everything in sight is clear in any language.

[Psychotic]

No, it's true. HBO was hacked by the Russians and they released the episode on their state news channel. The video is grainy and subtitled but a dragon burning everything in sight is clear in any language.Can confirm this. At the episode the White Walkers are about to bring down the wall but instead Day King, Fighter of the Night King, Champion of the Sun aka Azor Ahai, uses his karate to stop them and bring friendship to everyone (much to Jorah's displeasure)

[Shaibana]

No, it's true. HBO was hacked by the Russians and they released the episode on their state news channel. The video is grainy and subtitled but a dragon burning everything in sight is clear in any language.Can confirm this. At the episode the White Walkers are about to bring down the wall but instead Day King, Fighter of the Night King, Champion of the Sun aka Azor Ahai, uses his karate to stop them and bring friendship to everyone (much to Jorah's displeasure)

Good lawd
https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Gasp-Rage-Face.jpg

anyway: cant find the episode yet so i'll just wait some more... its for the better

[Del Murder]

Well, now all of Season 8 has just leaked!

[Psychotic]

The episode genuinely isn't out. I imagine it'll only be leaked if someone accidentally flips a switch early like with Episodes 4 and 6, and that'll only happen by mistake once Episode 6 has been aired.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I just like when you find out Bran was the hero all along. The camera fading out and back into an older Bran talking to a server at some tavern was pretty great. The look on her face when he announced that he was that little boy. That little baby boy was him! But now we see him as the man he is, how he fought the Night King while he lived as the Day King. It's a shame he couldn't get the girl in the end after regaling her with the stories of his youth and then asked for her hand in marriage.

[Psychotic]

I just like when you find out Bran was the hero all along. The camera fading out and back into an older Bran talking to a server at some tavern was pretty great. The look on her face when he announced that he was that little boy. That little baby boy was him! But now we see him as the man he is, how he fought the Night King while he lived as the Day King. It's a shame he couldn't get the girl in the end after regaling her with the stories of his youth and then asked for her hand in marriage.Someone should've told him that you got to pay the Three Eyed Raven Toll if you want to get into young Hodor's soul. Although according to Bronn the price is 1 castle.

[The Captain]

Gotta admit, i'm legit shocked at how FEW of the major characters have been killed off so far. Is GoT going soft after all these years?

Now of course, watch as a massacre happens next episode in King's Landing. Could Cersei have more wildfire up her sleeve?

Also, I have to say, in a weird way, the show working at this breakneck speed might end up doing Mr. Martin some favors as there are so many plot holes now that he can fill in.

Take care all.

[The Captain]

Speaking of teleportation:

73698

[krissy]

WARNING SCENES FROM LEAK IN THIS


cgtZBIppu04

[Jinx]

anime was* a mistake

*still

[Jinx]

Also, there are scenes from the leaked episode in there, so watch at your own peril.

[Raistlin]

Gotta admit, i'm legit shocked at how FEW of the major characters have been killed off so far. Is GoT going soft after all these years?

Yeah, after all the talk about how many and who would die on the Suicide Squad mission this latest episode, I was a bit surprised.

[Shaibana]

Gotta admit, i'm legit shocked at how FEW of the major characters have been killed off so far. Is GoT going soft after all these years?


jezus christ dont jinx it!

[The Captain]

Gotta admit, i'm legit shocked at how FEW of the major characters have been killed off so far. Is GoT going soft after all these years?


jezus christ dont jinx it!

Meant mostly in this episode!

[Bri]

I've remained relatively unspoiled.

But I've seen there's a slew of articles coming out like "You won't believe what we've deduced about Sunday's episode via the trailer and promotional photos".

And a whole bunch of people are like get the smurf out of here with your "deduced". You saw the leak.

So I've pretty much avoided articles that attempt theory crafting.

I had to deactivate my FB temporarily because of it. I can't bare and don't want to see any spoilers. Last two episodes so I want to make it count. 2 years before the last season comes out will be hell for Bob and I. I do hope we don't got to wait 2 damn fucking years though.

[Psychotic]

Speaking of teleportation:

73698I think the thing about that is, where are the White Walkers actually going to go? They can't cross the wall as there's magic there that keeps them out.

[Slothy]

Pretty much. Hell, for all we know they've been wandering all over north of the wall to round up any straggler humans left behind. Or just chilling and downing some beer. It's not like they aren't patient. They've only been waiting thousands of years for this.

[Freya]

Maybe they have had to wait for it to literally get colder. They can't take the heat guys. Could you imagine a bunch of dead bodies in the sun? They'd decompose really quickly and that'd make their army much harder to be argh if they're JUST skeletons, I imagine they'd fall apart a lot.

[Doomie]

I thought Tormund might kick it, and I was pretty upset about it.

Does anyone know which dragon Jon pets? Maybe undead dragon for the undead warrior?

[Jinx]

Jon was petting Drogon, who Dany was riding at the time.

[Doomie]

Yeah, nevermind. The Wall's fucked. That was my last hope.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Some have theorized about the significance of the Night King touching Bran's arm and leaving a mark.

Maybe there's some mystical barrier that gets broken when Bran crosses south of the wall, and it allows the undead access?

[Del Murder]

Wasn't that explicitly stated by old 3-eye?

[The Captain]

Speaking of teleportation:

73698I think the thing about that is, where are the White Walkers actually going to go? They can't cross the wall as there's magic there that keeps them out.

This raises a long standing question for me: will we find out what the WW are after and more importantly, does it matter? Or would you prefer them to just be a mysterious evil without agency aside from death?

I just find it funny that they literally took over Hardhome in 20 minutes traveling via literal weather but somehow are only now reaching near the Wall based on Bran's visions/warging, meanwhile Jon has literally traveled the entire north and part of the south. By now you'd assume the WW would be staring at the Wall, waiting for the next move.

[Slothy]

Wasn't that explicitly stated by old 3-eye?

No unless I'm really, really, mistaken.

[Del Murder]

Ok, I probably just inferred it or read it in this thread.

[Del Murder]

Too lazy to edit.



This raises a long standing question for me: will we find out what the WW are after and more importantly, does it matter? Or would you prefer them to just be a mysterious evil without agency aside from death?

I just find it funny that they literally took over Hardhome in 20 minutes traveling via literal weather but somehow are only now reaching near the Wall based on Bran's visions/warging, meanwhile Jon has literally traveled the entire north and part of the south. By now you'd assume the WW would be staring at the Wall, waiting for the next move.
I think the WW are just the undead. I'm not sure we'll find out they are anything else. The Night King seems to be the key as he seems like a sentient being controlling the WW like a hivemind. To my knowledge we have not seen any other 'intelligent' WW other than NK. He obviously has an origin and a purpose though and I hope we find out what that is.

[Jinx]

Too lazy to edit.



This raises a long standing question for me: will we find out what the WW are after and more importantly, does it matter? Or would you prefer them to just be a mysterious evil without agency aside from death?

I just find it funny that they literally took over Hardhome in 20 minutes traveling via literal weather but somehow are only now reaching near the Wall based on Bran's visions/warging, meanwhile Jon has literally traveled the entire north and part of the south. By now you'd assume the WW would be staring at the Wall, waiting for the next move.
I think the WW are just the undead. I'm not sure we'll find out they are anything else. The Night King seems to be the key as he seems like a sentient being controlling the WW like a hivemind. To my knowledge we have not seen any other 'intelligent' WW other than NK. He obviously has an origin and a purpose though and I hope we find out what that is.

Hopefully it's not just revenge on Children of the Forest. But we've seen his origin: he was a man, and the CotF put dragonglass in his heart and turned him into a WW to fight the First Men. The Children literally created their worst enemy.

gg children

[The Captain]

Are there even any children of the forest left? Was unclear about it after what went down in the 3 eyed's cave.

Take care all.

[Psychotic]

Speaking of teleportation:

73698I think the thing about that is, where are the White Walkers actually going to go? They can't cross the wall as there's magic there that keeps them out.

This raises a long standing question for me: will we find out what the WW are after and more importantly, does it matter? Or would you prefer them to just be a mysterious evil without agency aside from death?

I just find it funny that they literally took over Hardhome in 20 minutes traveling via literal weather but somehow are only now reaching near the Wall based on Bran's visions/warging, meanwhile Jon has literally traveled the entire north and part of the south. By now you'd assume the WW would be staring at the Wall, waiting for the next move.If you think about it further, the closest they've been to the Wall was in the very first episode!

[Shaibana]

i cant find the vid on youtube. so a link will have to do..
Jon Snow the dragon!


https://www.facebook.com/9gag/videos/10155942233551840/

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

This scene of Jon killing an undead at the wall a few seasons back is significant for 2 reasons.

1. Sure he doesn't have the same crispy blue look of the walkers, but I was under the impression that the dead can't enter the wall period. Unless they die there, then they can turn maybe? But then why didn't Jon turn?

2. They make a point to show that Jon burned his hand on that lantern. It's only a big deal for me because my favorite Targaryen reveal for me would be if a dragon accidentally (or not) lights him up later and he just appears naked afterward. The show will probably just reserve that heat resistance for Dany, but it's something I would find cool.

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[Night Fury]

Yeah I think it's only Dany who has that, and they've shown that since episode one. Viserys wasn't very heat proof :p

[Night Fury]

Feel like this is an unpopular opinion but what a diabolical episode. Just downright awful story telling. Without the books GoT is sinking.

[The Captain]

Feel like this is an unpopular opinion but what a diabolical episode. Just downright awful story telling. Without the books GoT is sinking.

It definitely felt like everything sort of fell into place very easily. The condensed nature of the shoe now has everything happening at warp speed to get us to the end game, logic be damned.

Who knew Gendry was a wilderness sprinter?

[Psychotic]

Feel like this is an unpopular opinion but what a diabolical episode. Just downright awful story telling. Without the books GoT is sinking.I don't think it's that unpopular of an opinion! Completely agree about storytelling. I think it's pretty obvious they're just going through the motions at this point and all sense of nuance or development is out of the window.

The teleportation is a perfect example. Things happen when people travel. Look at how the relationship between Jaime and Brienne developed as they went back to King's Landing, or indeed Jon and Tyrion as they went to the Wall. Likewise from Winterfell to King's Landing in Season 1 saw us learn a lot about the Lannisters and the power dynamics between them and Robert. And heck, the whole reason the Red Wedding happened was because Robb needed to marry a Frey to cross a bridge.

Actions no longer have consequences either. The Wight capture plan was stupid and they should've all died, but instead Dany came riding in on dragons to rescue them - what is her investment in that, by the way? She barely knows Jon and has a little crush, and Jorah is a friend she's tried to exile a bunch of times, doesn't know the others - and bail them out. Similarly when Jon falls for Ramsay's traps and the Ride of the Rohirrim has to save him. It's all a bit cheesy and not in keeping with the previous seasons. It's fun, though, and I guess that's the thing.

I enjoy it as a standalone thing full of set pieces, great music, effects and acting, as well as just straight up giving us what we want. Oh yeah, let's bring Gendry the rower back! Ha ha, look at this badass little 8 year old girl saying badass things! Bronn, Bronn doing things. Hey, let's have a magnificent seven made up of fan favourites going on an adventure together! It's not what made the show great at all, but I take it with a pinch of salt and am just enjoying the ride.

[Jinx]

Honestly, when Tyrion said Jon's in love with Dany, it pissed me off. No he's not. He likes her and thinks she's hot, but he's known her for all of a minute. That's not LOVE.

[Raistlin]

I agree that the writing is way more forced lately. I think Psy is right that the biggest culprit is that the show is working at a frantic pace trying to tie everything up in time (amusing considering that's the exact opposite of Martin). All subtlety and slow development is sacrificed for teleportation and EVENTS, with the last episode full of deus ex machina, in such a tropish way that it's almost surprising from this show. I also agree with Jinx that the "love" between Jon and Dany was, at least until this episode, a lot more telling us than actually showing us.

It's a shame, but they also don't have an infinite amount of time left. The writers also no longer have new source material that uses Martin's characteristic excruciating, painfully slow development, and only have the remaining big plot events as guideposts. And a lot of the criticism of the earlier seasons was the slow pacing and extended traveling time, so I suppose there was bound to be an over-correction. In Martin's style, Jon would've been at Dragonstone for an entire book flirting with Dany, with the next book being returning north of the Wall.

[Night Fury]

Like why send Gendry off running all that way alone and without a weapon? Clearly to worry the audience into thinking he might die. That was a bit stupid.

Then having Uncle Benjen conveniently appear to save Jon - a forced and cheap way to close off that storyline. I actually groaned when that happened and didn't feel any sense of excitement. A cheap way to wrap up what has been quite a large part of Jon's arc...

The ravens being sent left, right, and centre yet nobody has written to Winterfell to let Sansa know what's going on... and she's not written to Dragonstone either?

The action is great - superb effects and really fun action... but it feels like a slap in the face sometimes too when the story is just so full of holes that it's as if Arya Stark went to town on it.

I wouldn't mind the rushing through it if that had ALWAYS been the pace but it just kind of ruins the immersion for me :(

I'm also re-watching from the beginning again and yeah the show is completely different now for sure. I wonder if had this season been 10 episodes would it have been better? Possibly.

It feels like there aren't really any stakes anymore. We thought we lost Jamie last episode but no - that ended up being just a cheap cliffhanger with a terrible follow up with him and Bronn just escaping just cause....

[Jinx]

Yeah, the breakneck transporting has been bothering me for awhile. But usually it's been easy to handwave and say, "Well, we don't know exactly how much time is passing during each episode, it could be weeks". But Gendry running to Eastwatch, them sending a raven, and Dany flying to their EXACT PLACE IN THE NORTH MIGHT I SAY IT IS HUGE in what was literally two days time...unforgivable, HBO. Really.

[Slothy]

Eh, real birds traveling those distances could do it in a couple of days in the real world, and no one has a damn clue how fast birds are in a world with dragons and other magical shit (and honestly, they've fudged the raven travel time throughout the entire series), and we certainly have no idea how fast dragons are. So considering they weren't that far out past the wall and we're talking about a situation which may have really taken three or four days tops, not to mention Gendry probably having a good idea where they were when he left them, I'm not really going to give a shit if they fudge it and do it in two days instead.

As for sending Gendry off without a weapon: if he's actually the fastest guy then it makes perfect sense. He's literally the only hope they have of getting help and he needs to hoof it. If he carries his weapon and the dead catch him he's dead anyway (the dead don't tire). If he takes too long because he's carrying a big damn hammer everyone else is dead. So either he runs fast enough to make it or they all die. And if no one else can keep up with him there's not much point sending anyone with him. Yeah, you could argue you want to send a couple of guys in case one doesn't make it, but if you're letting nits that small annoy you then nothing would likely satisfy you.

[Jinx]

I just want to know how Jon knew Gendry was the fastest. He's also only know him for a hot minute, and his physique is built for lifting and fighting, not running. But, whatever.

And I'm sorry, you might be able to accept the dragon thing, but STILL. And she got there at the EXACT right time. It was fun TV, but pretty cringey.

Don't get me wrong, over all I enjoyed the episode, but that. That was just abysmally bad.

[Night Fury]

I tell you what is still 11/10 on this show and that's the costume design. Arya and Sansa's Winterfell outfits are perfect.

[Freya]

Okay so the early leaks I read were right which kinda pissed me off to be honest that I got spoiled the way I did. I originally stumbled on them and as alike "Oh that'd be neat" but kinda ruined the moment for me when it happened.

I'm really kinda grumpy about all these leaks. Ruins the entertainment of it.

[Raistlin]

I just want to know how Jon knew Gendry was the fastest. He's also only know him for a hot minute, and his physique is built for lifting and fighting, not running. But, whatever.

I interpreted that not as anyone in the show actually thinking Gendry was the fastest, but as Jon and them using that as an excuse to get the youngest and least experienced fighter out of immediate danger (considering someone needed to run back anyway).

Although for all we know, maybe they chatted about running speeds in the 0.3 minutes it took to travel to the Wall. That was the least of the issues I had with some of the writing.

[Jinx]

I mean, it's not a major thing, just something that I noticed at the time. x)

[Night Fury]

I really wanna be in a Jon Snow and Gendry sandwich though like I'm not gonna lie they are both just daaaaaamn. I like me the dark haired boys yesss.


Also, as it hasn't been touched on what's going on with Sansa and Arya? I think Arya knows what's what and is testing Sansa tbh.

[Jinx]

As long as Jaime and Yara are left for me tbqh.

[Del Murder]

I really enjoyed this episode of The Walking Dead.

[The Captain]

Overall, I give this episode an A for the actions scenes, an F for the logic.

A few thoughts, though my biggest one revolves around the growing momentum that Bran and The Night King might be one and the same: Is there any chance that The Night King wanted all of this to go down so he could gain access to a dragon? Was all the time spent waiting behind the Wall just a feint to get them to come to him? It sure seems like he was ready with those spears and those chains for the right opportunity. Maybe he wanted Gendry to get away, warn Dany and bring the dragons to him. If so, how could he have known that would happen and that they'd come? Maybe if he was somehow ACTUALLY a mystical being of infinite time and space? That would at least make somewhat more sense then the Night King just being a crack shot.

I admit, I am STUNNED that only one of the Snow Team 7 character ended up dying and of all things, he FROZE to death! That might be the biggest twist in the episode.

The Benjen appearance felt very, very wrong. After Jon literally has been searching and wondering about him for 7 seasons, he just appears, says "Run!" and then is presumably "killed?" (Can he even be killed?). I'm assuming they didn't have time and/or wanted to just leave the details for the books..... haha, if they ever come out.

The logistics have already been mentioned, but it does seem really odd that Sansa and Winterfell are an afterthought in all this. Jon found out that Arya and Bran are alive and he doesn't even send them a note?

Finally, if Arya can't see through a note that Robb and company dismissed way back in Season 1, I think she needs to go back into training. That whole plotline feels like they are just looking for ways to mark time until the Stark girls kill Littlefinger.

If the show is trying to just clear the board for the big ending, I'd have hoped it could be done a bit more elegantly but it is what it is. TV isn't always meant for long-form fantasy storytelling, especially when budgets and contracts come into play. Still, if they manage to surprise and thrill us, I think it will ultimately be a job well done. It very well have lost some luster from its earlier heights but the show is still brilliantly and technically made.

Take care all.

[The Captain]

Something I've been wondering:

It's the trend we're seeing in every bit of IP pop culture, so why wouldn't GoT do it too? Could they end up splitting the final 6 episodes (which are rumored to all be long, almost film length) over two years? 3 in 2018 and 3 in 2019 just to drag out the suspense and the hype even more?

Or even worse, if each episode is longer, could they split episodes in half and air them over the course of several weeks?

I feel like anything is possible at this point, given the record numbers HBO is drawing though I really don't want to see either of these things happen.

Take care all.

[Night Fury]

Yeah absolutely the effects and action are fantastic and I can't fault it. It's just the writing has gone quite downhill and it may be because they have limited time to finish what they need to do. I will still watch the show. I will still.... mostly enjoy it, but now it's a case of enjoying it for what it is as opposed to enjoying it for all the things that were on the table in the earlier seasons.

It's totally a great show, but I can't hide my disappointment in the last few episodes - but then, I've always enjoyed the 'talking' more than the action. One of my favourite scenes in the whole show is still Tywin's first appearance when he's skinning and gutting that stag... Visual perfection matched with stellar performance and writing!

[Crop]

I just didn't enjoy it. I don't think I've truly enjoyed Got since around mid season 5. A few things bugged me about this episode -

Why the hell are they using dragonglass as daggers and not as arrowheads? They could have killed the white walkers right there and then!

Wtf was with the Uncle Benji scene? Them bringing him back just to kill him off immediately was clearly a case of "oh yeah, Benji, any ideas with him? No? Get rid." and why the hell was there "no time" for him to jump on the horse and ride off with Jon.

Why, when the dragons came about, didn't Jon just shout to Dany, "there, hit there!" while pointing to the white walkers who were just standing about 50 feet away?

Also the travelling, oh god the travelling. Gendry gets to the wall, a raven gets send to dragonstone and then Dany flys in on the dragons in exactly the right location and in just the nick of time (another thing that's bugging me - last minute saves) within what, a night? Two?

As always the action scenes were well shot and looked great, but everything this show was built on is not there anymore. I'm really surprised there aren't more complaints about it since its nothing like the earlier seasons and that's what got people into the show.
Of course I'll watch it until the end, there's only 8 episodes left after all, but if this had been the show from the beginning I probably never would have gotten into it.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I dreamt a Yu-Gi-Oh meme and of course when I woke up it was real.

"I summon the Blue Eyes White Dragon, in attack mode!"

I'm laughing so I don't cry.

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[Shaibana]

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[Del Murder]

Yeah I was wondering where they got those chains. Maybe that's why it's taking them so long to get to the Wall. Lugging a bunch of huge chains around.

[Shaibana]

Yeah I was wondering where they got those chains. Maybe that's why it's taking them so long to get to the Wall. Lugging a bunch of huge chains around.

perhaps, but why would they have the chains in the 1st place? did they expect/forsee all of this? :o

i know there are alot of these holes but: how convenient that 1 of those wights survived while all the others just fell apart

[Del Murder]

The only thing that makes sense (though it is more probable that there is no concentrated effort by the writers to actually make it make sense) is that the Night King has some kind of precognition like Bran does and foresaw this whole event happening. Which is why his walkers just circled them and waited and why they had those ice spears ready, because he knew the dragons would come.

[Psychotic]

Hey Faceless Men, I've decided I'm a Stark of Winterfell because I love my family.

Hey fellow Stark of Winterfell, I'm a Faceless Man and I'm going to kill you now.

[Jinx]

I haven't bought the "Oh, Arya is dead, it's a Faceless Man wearing her face!" at all, but this episode fucking. It's the only thing they could do to make that scene even remotely forgivable.

[Psychotic]

I haven't bought the "Oh, Arya is dead, it's a Faceless Man wearing her face!" at allI think the fandom is at the point where it makes up theories just for the sake of making up theories, and then the Buzzfeeds of the world run with it because it gets clicks. Never mind that it's clearly utter horsetrout.

Bran's totally the Night King by the way!!!!!

ok is he though

is he really

Then again if the theory becomes popular enough they'll just do it. Clegane Bowl is happening next season for the sole reason that people want it.

[Jinx]

I haven't bought the "Oh, Arya is dead, it's a Faceless Man wearing her face!" at allI think the fandom is at the point where it makes up theories just for the sake of making up theories, and then the Buzzfeeds of the world run with it because it gets clicks. Never mind that it's clearly utter horsetrout.

Bran's totally the Night King by the way!!!!!

ok is he though

is he really

Then again if the theory becomes popular enough they'll just do it. Clegane Bowl is happening next season for the sole reason that people want it.

Pretty sure it's happening Sunday. But yeah.

Honestly, I think (and always have thought) Cleganebowl is dumb, and I don't get the hype.

[Freya]

I think the hype about it is merely that it's fun to hype. Not that it's really gonna be super cool or anything but it's become it's own meme.

Kinda like the newer "Right Proper" is now a meme thanks to the tl;dw recaps.

[Del Murder]

Hey Faceless Men, I've decided I'm a Stark of Winterfell because I love my family.

Hey fellow Stark of Winterfell, I'm a Faceless Man and I'm going to kill you now.
I'm holding out hope that Arya is playing a long con and she's not actually this stupid. I truly believed when she met Nymeria that it would cause her to turn around and head back to King's Landing because undermining the Lannisters from the shadows would be the best way she could help her family. The only plotline she had waiting for her in Winterfell was some stupid conflict with Sansa/Littlefinger and I thought it would be beneath this show to get into that soap opera BS. Whelp, looks like I'm now on Team Sansa, the only intelligent Stark.

[Jinx]

Hey Faceless Men, I've decided I'm a Stark of Winterfell because I love my family.

Hey fellow Stark of Winterfell, I'm a Faceless Man and I'm going to kill you now.
I'm holding out hope that Arya is playing a long con and she's not actually this stupid. I truly believed when she met Nymeria that it would cause her to turn around and head back to King's Landing because undermining the Lannisters from the shadows would be the best way she could help her family. The only plotline she had waiting for her in Winterfell was some stupid conflict with Sansa/Littlefinger and I thought it would be beneath this show to get into that soap opera BS. Whelp, looks like I'm now on Team Sansa, the only intelligent Stark.

Whose team have you been on the last several seasons? Arya's always been awful.

[Shauna]

One of the managers at work has actually put a bet on that Sansa will end up on the Iron Throne.

I mean, I don't think it'll happen, but she's gonna make a pretty penny if it does!

[Del Murder]

Whose team have you been on the last several seasons? Arya's always been awful.
Team Olenna, always. I guess Lyanna Mormont is the new generation's Olenna.

[Jinx]

Whose team have you been on the last several seasons? Arya's always been awful.
Team Olenna, always. I guess Lyanna Mormont is the new generation's Olenna.

I meant specifically of the Starks. :p

OKAY GUYS

WHAT ARE PEOPLE'S PREDICTIONS FOR NEXT WEEK?!

-Cleganebowl, Gregor kills Sandor. Beric uses his last lifeforce to bring Sandor back, who then kills Gregor. Kind of a replay of The Mountain vs. Oberyn
-Cersei's gonna eat it. I dunno when or how, but Jaime will definitely be the who.
-Jon and Dany are finally gonna bone and she's gonna get pregnant. Maybe with triplets, a la "The Dragon Has Three Heads"
-THE WALL IS COMING DOWN WITH THAT DRAGON Y'ALL
-Jon will find out about his parentage
-Arya kills Sansa and uses her face to kill Littlefinger.
-Grey Worm is gonna eat it.

[Freya]

Will wight dragon breathe fire or ice? They've made it a point that the whitewalkers are icy with the way they walk and the storms and shit. And that they're venerable to fire. So why would they nearly self immolate with a zombie dragon.

[Jinx]

Will wight dragon breathe fire or ice? They've made it a point that the whitewalkers are icy with the way they walk and the storms and trout. And that they're venerable to fire. So why would they nearly self immolate with a zombie dragon.

Bombs kill humans, but we still use them. /shrug

If dragon fire CAN bring the wall down, that's going to be very valuable, even if it's dangerous for them.

[Psychotic]

Do we know whether White Walkers are vulnerable to fire though? Wights clearly are but whenever the Night King goes near fire it dies down.

[Del Murder]

I'm guessing the only thing that can kill the Night King is Jon Snow in one-on-one combat surrounded by an ongoing battle which miraculously does not interfere with them at all.

[Jinx]

I'm guessing the only thing that can kill the Night King is Jon Snow in one-on-one combat surrounded by an ongoing battle which miraculously does not interfere with them at all.

But he's too pure to kill, so he'll just disarm him, and magically that will evaporate the Night King.

[Del Murder]

Definitely. And before that, there are several near misses where NK almost smotes poor Jon down only to be saved by The Hound, Arya Stark, Grey Worm, Davos, the ghost army from Return of the King, and finally Bronn.

[Jinx]

Definitely. And before that, there are several near misses where NK almost smotes poor Jon down only to be saved by The Hound, Arya Stark, Grey Worm, Davos, the ghost army from Return of the King, and finally Bronn.

Sansa nearly dies, Lady Stoneheart shows up and yells, "NOT MY DAUGHTER YOU BITCH"

[Miriel]

I still liked Arya despite her being incredibly stupid and reckless and getting stabbed in the last season.

I want to believe she's smarter than this and she's secretly playing little finger but if she's actually falling for this, then I AM NOT HERE FOR HER VICTIM BLAMING BULLSHIT. Your sister was brutally raped and abused you sociopath. Get a grip on yourself for fucks sake. I feel like they're setting Arya up to die to be honest.

I wonder what they're gonna do with Dany and Jon. They legit have great chemistry but ya know, incest. I don't care if its tradition in that weirdo family, I can't root for it.

The scenes in Iceland were walking dead levels of dumb and I did not like it. What a dumb dumb plan. And Jon, I know we needed to close the storyline on Benjen but what the fuck Jon, you should have hauled ass onto that dragon and boned outta there instead of wasting time and look, you got one of dany's kids killed.

This season really seems like everything is done in service of the plot, and the execution, the characters, the writing is all falling short.

Night King needed a dragon and so the show had Jon and Co do this ridiculous mission that doesn't even make sense for any of them to attempt. Its like they have specific plot points they need to hit, but how they get there is sloppy and doesn't make sense.

[Night Fury]

I dreamt a Yu-Gi-Oh meme and of course when I woke up it was real.

"I summon the Blue Eyes White Dragon, in attack mode!"

I'm laughing so I don't cry.

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*Blue Eyes Wight Dragon

[The Captain]

Final episode of the season (wow, already?!) predictions:

Littlefinger finally gets killed.. but maybe by someone unexpected. Pod? That knight from the Eyrie who hates his guts?

Cersei IS pregnant but the baby doesn't make it OR it turns out not to be Jamie's which is FINALLY, FINALLY the last straw for him.

Euron, Yara and Theon show up again after they have apparently all been just chilling somewhere on the sidelines. I sort of feel like Yara might not die after all. Euron once again finds a way to screw with everyone.

I really like the Beric bringing back The Hound idea. Otherwise, why is Beric still here? Clearly, he needs to give up his last life for someone, which would also close a book specific plotline.

Dany and Jon are definitely going to get it on, though afterwards, when Jon finds out that they're related, I think he'll be disgusted and BROOD about it.

Tyrion and Cersei have some vicious sparring but ultimately she sort of is happy that Tywin is dead.

The Wall is coming DOWN or in a much less climactic way, The Night King flies over it, kills everyone still at Eastwatch and lets his army through.

Bran continues to know things and tell no one and I don't mean Arya, who I think HAS to be playing some sort of game here.

Final Iron Throne Predictions:

Who sits on the throne at the end? I think Bronn might just find a way to finally get the castle he craves.


2 bonus predictions:

I don't think we see Season 8 or 8 Part 1, if my other theory holds true, until at least October of 2018.
I think the series doesn't end with the battle against the White Walkers, but there is a further conflict beyond that. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the WW war gets wrapped up by Episode 4.

Take care all.

[Shaibana]

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[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I dreamt a Yu-Gi-Oh meme and of course when I woke up it was real.

"I summon the Blue Eyes White Dragon, in attack mode!"

I'm laughing so I don't cry.

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*Blue Eyes Wight Dragon

*I was quoting Seto Kaiba verbatim

[Shaibana]

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[Bubba]

This season is missing about three episodes worth of filler... and is all the poorer for it.

How the hell did somebody freeze to death when there are two c***s that have flaming swords?

Also, regardless of where the chains came from, who the fuck wrapped them round the dragons neck? We've just seen hundreds of the dead sink like f***ing stones. Oh, it's ok... we just had to wait for the f***ing scuba zombies to arrive.

I'm looking forward to Peter Jackson's special extended version of season 7 when it comes out on blu-ray.

[Slothy]

How the hell did somebody freeze to death when there are two c***s that have flaming swords?

You know he's the drunk priestly dude who was mauled by the undead bear right? I'd imagine it's hard to stay warm with half your blood.

[Bubba]

How the hell did somebody freeze to death when there are two c***s that have flaming swords?

You know he's the drunk priestly dude who was mauled by the undead bear right? I'd imagine it's hard to stay warm with half your blood.

You'd have those two bad boys running full flame if you were in the middle of a frozen lake, north of the wall, at night.

[Del Murder]

The scuba zombies were slow to arrive because they were hauling all that scuba gear. And chains.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

This could be way off but I also think Arya is playing the long con on Little Finger. I think she's smart enough to know he's watching her, and they're both using Sansa as bait for the other person.

I imagine Arya will end up wearing his face sooner or later. If nothing else, I'm really excited about the idea of Aiden Gillen playing Arya playing Little Finger.

[Freya]

She knows if she spooks sansa, she'll tell littlefinger. Then littlefinger thinks he's winning that manipulation. But the fact that she handed sansa the dagger I think was a signal that she's actually not after sansa and is wondering if sansa will pick up on it.

Littlefinger is either dying in the finally or getting some type of comeuppance. Maybe ousted to the Lords of the North

[Psychotic]

Littlefinger dying in the north would be an incredibly dumb conclusion to his arc. That's not to say it won't happen in the finale of course, but it'll be bad if they do.

Once they ran out of book they seem to have not had any ideas on what to do with him and just had him hang around at Winterfell for no apparent reason. It's in stark (ho ho ho) contrast to what they did with the character in previous seasons and where they were going with him. Chaos is a ladder, counting the swords in the Iron Throne, it's all building towards him either sitting on or attempting to sit on the Iron Throne, and that's where it should end. I personally like the idea of him finally getting what he wants, the Iron Throne is now his and he's about to sit on it when either dragons or White Walkers storm in and murder him. All of his obsession with the Game of Thrones in direct ignorance of the true threats has severely weakened the realm's ability to withstand them, and it would be absolutely delicious if he had to pay the price for that right as he thought he'd won.

I think that's one for the books though.

[Shaibana]

they have cars in westeros!
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ax0BjKW_700b.jpg

[Jinx]

you know what the truck looks like

like a rock

oooh, like a rock

[Formalhaut]

Just watched the episode. I agree with what's been said about Arya: either she must be playing a long game, testing Sansa's loyalty/aptitude, or her character has just gone off the rails. It's quite disturbing after watching those heartwarming scenes earlier in the season where she decides to go to Winterfell, only for her to now seemingly turn ice cold. I'm predicting a long game, and I'd be disappointed if it turns out to be completely straight.

The logic puzzles required to make sense of the teleporting is just completely broken now. But moreover, I feel like events are happening in such a standardised way that makes it feel as if the series is just going through the motions, going from plot point to plot point. There's not much opportunity to let moments sink in, or spend time with characters. "Night King needs a dragon", well let's just get Dany to fly over the wall. "We need a pitched battle", well let's just get The Hound to be hurl his idiot ball at a wight. I'm not sure if I'm making perfect sense, but the quality of the storytelling has gone down compared to previous seasons.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Sansa nearly dies, Lady Stoneheart shows up and yells, "NOT MY DAUGHTER YOU BITCH"

Oh, it's ok... we just had to wait for the f***ing scuba zombies to arrive.

These had me in trouting stitches! :lol:

This episode made ZERO sense. Nay, negative sense. -50 sense. The more you think about it, the less sense it makes.

[Night Fury]

Littlefinger dying in the north would be an incredibly dumb conclusion to his arc. That's not to say it won't happen in the finale of course, but it'll be bad if they do.

Once they ran out of book they seem to have not had any ideas on what to do with him and just had him hang around at Winterfell for no apparent reason. It's in stark (ho ho ho) contrast to what they did with the character in previous seasons and where they were going with him. Chaos is a ladder, counting the swords in the Iron Throne, it's all building towards him either sitting on or attempting to sit on the Iron Throne, and that's where it should end. I personally like the idea of him finally getting what he wants, the Iron Throne is now his and he's about to sit on it when either dragons or White Walkers storm in and murder him. All of his obsession with the Game of Thrones in direct ignorance of the true threats has severely weakened the realm's ability to withstand them, and it would be absolutely delicious if he had to pay the price for that right as he thought he'd won.

I think that's one for the books though.

I completely agree with this.

If he is out-played by Arya at this point I'll be really disappointed, but his arc has had such a fall from grace since he went to Winterfell tbh... There is just NO WAY that the Littlefinger we've seen in previous seasons would be long conned by someone like Arya. I like Arya a lot, and I want to see Littlefinger dead but that would be a complete disservice to his character.

[The Captain]

Agreed. What happened to the man who came from essentially nothing to rise to be basically in charge of the Vale?

Watching characters this season gives me just one reaction:

https://youtu.be/ilcRS5eUpwk


Take care all.

[Jinx]

ugh can like


tibet or someone leak the finale already pls

[Freya]

You've been spoiled and now you expect it.

This is what happens when you give kids too much candy. :colbert:

[Jinx]

You've been spoiled and now you expect it.

This is what happens when you give kids too much candy. :colbert:

no one asked you mom GOD

[Bubba]

If you watch the final episode now then you have an even longer wait for the final season.

[krissy]

probably the worst pacing of any of the episodes so far

[theundeadhero]

I disliked all these things as much as the rest of you, but one thing I did enjoy was the little conversations between the people while they were walking. They didn't have any major plot reveals or anything, but they were nice glances of one person interacting with the other.

[Del Murder]

Those conversations were nice. It was with characters who normally would not talk to each other. Tormund in particular was great in all his interactions. Though it was odd when they would stop to talk and the rest would keep walking. Better hustle to catch up I guess?

[The Captain]

Ironically, it made me think of FFVI when the Returners were walking through the snow up to the Esper in Narshe. Characters would break off from the group to have asides then continue on. Maybe the showrunners are gamers?

Take care all.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

One analogy I've heard said of this season is comparing it to a constellation.

The showrunners have the big events in mind (stars), but without source material to go off of and having George's foundation they haven't really connected the dots and made those stars into constellations. We've gone from star to star without seeing the lines that connect them. You just have to be cool with stargazing.


I've been comparing this season to Xenogears disc 2. In the absence of a world map, you're basically getting a dialogue dump with boss fights. But it's not that bad, because people were invested in Xenogears up to that point anyway.

[Del Murder]

Huh, it is actually a lot like Xenogears. Good comparison!

[The Captain]

Huh, it is actually a lot like Xenogears. Good comparison!

So the final few episodes will be mostly text on the screen with freeze frames? Cannot wait!

[Freya]

Was that aegon? The name of jon.

Blue fire! Bluuuue. Also he seemed to move more quickly than the others. The nights king was on the dragon!

Sansa got petyr!

Jon and dany banged! Cersei is still a bitch and Jaime is done.

[Freya]

I'm really worried about tormund though

[The Captain]

Overall a much better episode in terms of pacing than the last and in the end everything more or less ended up where it needed to be.

We almost had the Cleganebowl... but that'll have to wait.

Somehow, Cersei might just remain the final "big bad" after all.

I find it very strange too that after all the time spent at Castle Black, that the attack happened at Eastwatch. Maybe Edd will endure somehow! With all the history and emotion spent at one location, just seems sort of odd to have the big moment happen at this new spot we've barely seen.

Also, come ON Sam, give Gilly the credit for finding out about the annulment!

A few questions now moving forward:

How will Jon feel when he finds out the truth and realizes he is related to Dany? His brooding level is about to hit a new all-time high. How will Dany react to someone with a better claim than her? This might be the real mad queen subplot that seems to be simmering.

I'm still very confused by what happened at Winterfell. Did Bran tell Sansa to stage this big meeting to confront Littlefinger? Did Arya? Was the entire interaction between sisters last episode a ruse to make Littlefinger drop his guard and feel comfortable? It was a misdirect but kind of felt like it didn't earn the misdirect.

How is it that Bran can see and know everything but doesn't know certain things? It seems like convenient amnesia for select scenes. He knows all about Jon but not about the annulment? He couldn't somehow see the maester taking his notes down and writing about it?

Come on George, finish your next book so we can fill in the gaps before the final season!

Take care all.

[Del Murder]

Bran is too powerful. You can't just have a character like that. And if Littlefinger was the same man who did all that stuff he would have sniffed out Bran as someone who was bad news and hightailed it back to the Vale as soon as Bran threw his own words back in his face. Good to close out that storyline, though, which was getting really annoying.

I like how they made concrete the thing that anyone who pays attention already knew right before those two had sex.

Great ending scene. And Cercei's right, whoever is 'alive' at the end of that battle will be severely weakened and her armies may have a chance.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I liked the scene between Jon and Theon. When he said "You can be a Greyjoy and a Stark", I immediately saw it as a parallel for his own lineage. Next season, I think he'll definitely have the mindset that he can be both a Targaryen and a Stark. It's totally within his character to tell Sansa "No matter who I am, I will always be your brother".

Rhaegar looks like what I think Viserys would look like if he didn't die in season one. The jokes are already flooding in that they borrowed the same wig. I thought it was cool.

There were a lot of great conversations around the Dragonpit. It felt like everybody who wanted to talk to someone got their chance. Sandor to Gregor, Brienne to Sandor, Brienne to Jaime, Pod to Tyrion, Pod to Bronn etc

I wonder if Viserion doesn't really need to take breaths? As they've said about the walkers, the dead don't need rest and seem to have unlimited stamina. The blue fire looked awesome.

Are we supposed to assume Tormund and Beric died? I watched the scene back and there's a chance they were on the portion of the wall that didn't crumble. I think it was intentionally ambiguous.

More thoughts to come.

[Psychotic]

welp, y'all fucked now

I liked it. One of the best episodes of the season. A lot more talking and development, and it worked well.

Kind of ehhh on Littlefinger going out like that but it wasn't a terrible way to do it either I suppose.

[Crop]

Yep enjoyed that one. Only two things I didn't like -

Glad to see the Littlefinger in Winterfell storyline end. It was terrible, and even the ending was kinda lame but it was like a sick storyline that needed to be put down, it could have only gotten more ridiculous.

Loved the scene between Theon and Jon, but thought the following fight scene was a bit silly. I'll give it a pass though, and with the twist that Euron hasn't gone home then maybe he actually has a chance to attack the Iron Islands and rescue his sister.

The scene at the end wih Jaime and Cercei was great, and the Euron thing was the biggest twist for me. Ending was great too but I agree that it should have been at Castle Black. Maybe they still have a role to play?

[WarZidane]

Poor Aegon Targaryen, replaced by a half-brother named Aegon before people even knew he was dead.

[Jinx]

I liked this episode and thought it was solid. Everyone's losing their heads that it was the best season finale ever, though, and I'm confused.

So, what does everyone thinking about creepy, sad Tyrion at the end? I've read a bunch of theories on why he was lookin' like that, but I want to know what you all think.

Also, Tormund and Berric are fine. There was a shot of them getting to the portion of the Wall that was still standing.

[Psychotic]

So, what does everyone thinking about creepy, sad Tyrion at the end? I've read a bunch of theories on why he was lookin' like that, but I want to know what you all think. I assume those theories are either he's become Jorah 2.0 or he knows about the incest.

I think it's more pragmatic than that. Look at how he reacted to Jon's loyalty in the Dragonpit. He probably views this as a potential weakness and clouding of judgment for both of them. He basically told her she was dumb for going to rescue him and in some ways he was right, it cost her a dragon.

It's just laying the groundwork for conflict between them in S8. GoT fans see snarks and grumpkins in every corner.

[Freya]

I think the tyrion thing is cause he was hoping to break the whole monarchy thing and now well maybe that won't be a thing

[Jinx]

I hope it's the third option (the one Freya said), and not the other two. Him being Jorah 2.0 would just be too fucking much, man. Jesus.

I don't think he knows about them being family, though. I mean, how would he?

[Loony BoB]

Hey also may be just generally concerned about how this will impact their ability to lead in general, given how often love has fucked up monarchs so far (see: Rob, Cersei, Rhaegar).

[Crop]

As far as Tyrion is aware though, she can't have kids right? I don't see how he'd be concerned about the monarchy continuing knowing this. I don't think it'll be because he's another Jorah, he's shown absolutely no interest in her in that way at all. It'd be one of the stupidest things they could do.

I think it is worry about how this will impact their ability to rule. Especially since Jon still needs to get the North on side after bending the knee. The North will remember the last time the king in the north (Robb) took up with a foreign woman.

I also don't see how there would be any conflict between them once they find out the truth about Jon's parentage. After the shock when he finds out, I'm fairly certain he'll step aside and let her rule, he has absolutely no interest in sitting on the Iron Throne. Anyway, while Roberts Rebellion was maybe built on a lie, the throne was still taken and so neither of them are the legit heir....but maybe that's just because I want to see Gendry on the Iron Throne at the end, with a really confused look on his face as he gets crowned...and fade to black.

[Night Fury]

How did that dragon fly with the plot holes in his wings

[Freya]

Magic. It's a blue fire breathing dragon.

[Jinx]

How did that dragon fly with the plot holes in his wings

GOD THIS PISSED ME OFF SO MUCH ASK ROB

[WarZidane]

How did that dragon fly with the plot holes in his wings

Same way regular ol' wights can still walk/run even though they have practically no legs left.

[Jinx]

It's not about it being reanimated, it's the aerodynamics wouldn't let it stay in the air if there were holes in the wings. x)

[WarZidane]

I was more referring to the fact they're both magic. :p

[Jinx]

YES BUT EVEN MAGIC HAS LIMITATIONS I MEAN REALLY

[Freya]

No, that's kinda the point of magic. That it does unbelievable things.

[Formalhaut]

Could they have knitted Viserion a cute little wing patch to cover the big hole?

[Aulayna]

Well at least my theory about how the Night King would get past the wall turned out to be correct.

The visual effects during parts of that scene were pretty terrible though...

[Doomie]

Didn't like how they ended the season. Thought the Jon = Aegon thing was lazy writing, and Littlefinger's end was somewhat unbecoming considering how he's lived his life thus far. Only part I really liked was JaimexCersei because it was a long time coming. Overall, enjoyable season to watch, but I'm sincerely hoping GRRM doesn't die before he can complete the story as it should be completed.

[Loony BoB]

So glad to see the back of Littlefinger. I don't think him loitering after Sansa would have made any further sense once the Whitewalkers became a reality to him. He's not able to work in any weird dealings with the white walkers.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

This season won me over on Daenerys Targaryen.

I think her character was really helped by having less episodes this season, therefore increasing the budget of each episode, allowing more room for a dragon budget. It allowed the Mother of Dragons plenty of time to be on the front lines fighting for her causes. A big theme of this season was having Daenerys take more of an active role. As Olenna said, "be a dragon".

As I've said, in RPG terms she's like a mage. And the budget of past seasons has only allowed her to wield her staff once or twice a season.

I'll end up doing an entire series re-watch at some point in a year or so, leading up to the premiere of season 8. It'll be exciting to look back on past episodes with the knowledge of the story I have now. I'll also be open to the idea that the problems I had with Dany weren't really her fault.

[Shaibana]

i'm not sure how i feel about Littlefingers death.
on 1 hand i am glad, he had outgrown his usefulness.. he was just wandering aimles around Sansa.
Littlefinger might have been interesting if he left Winterfell to do god knows what.

i doubt Tormund and Beric died. it would not be GoT'ish.

What will Jamie do? will be rejoin with Tyrion? i'm not sure if he would turn against Cersei in that way

[Freya]

Saw this on tumblr and laughed

https://68.media.tumblr.com/75c65047f2ef2af9e51de70e38975d34/tumblr_ovdlr9NvZ61suijfxo3_540.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/5f8dcdba0c3b8f9abe23a1bc61296910/tumblr_ovdlr9NvZ61suijfxo2_540.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/58c79583dc7dcf7c2888670f663f5054/tumblr_ovdlr9NvZ61suijfxo7_540.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/47f58b1d291e16cccc0c6c6337ccf51a/tumblr_ovdlr9NvZ61suijfxo1_540.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/93b1a1787fe4c3cef8d05e6c1e817e3a/tumblr_ovdlr9NvZ61suijfxo6_540.jpg



Also why Tyrion was brooding

https://i.imgur.com/PVZO3tw.jpg

[Fox]

I think it's fine that the Dragon flew with a hole in its wing. Dragon wings are big; they have a lot of surface area to catch the air and provide thrust. As long as the dragon wasn't right on the limit of its thrust-to-weight ratio with a complete wing, there's no reason it shouldn't be able to fly with some form of hole.

Rest of it was cool. Although every time Bran talks I die a little inside.

Bran: *Dramatically explains Jon's true heritage as Jon bangs Daenerys*
The entire audience: "We knnooooooooww shut uuuuup"

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

"These violent delights have violent ends".

Wrong HBO show and still fitting.

[Jinx]

"These violent delights have violent ends".

Wrong HBO show and still fitting.

This is my raise macro in FFXIV.

[Freya]

g6iO4GNglRE

They talk about them being together, bran also talks about the marriage and Tyrion sheds a little bit of light on his part in that scene too

[theundeadhero]

My biggest wonder is whether Jaime's army is going to follow him or not. He's the head of the Lannister house, which means he can tell his army where to go, but doing so is betraying their queen. Are they gonna follow Jaime wherever he wants, or is he going solo to the north? Or is he just wondering around at the moment lost in thought, eventually to return to Cersei.

[Psychotic]

Oh yeah now that I think about it, what the fuck was the point of Grey Worm and the Unsullied being "stuck" at Casterly Rock with no supplies? At the time they made a lot of noise about what a big deal it was, and then they all suddenly pop up when they're needed in King's Landing, none of them looking any the worse for wear?

[Night Fury]

Oh yeah now that I think about it, what the smurf was the point of Grey Worm and the Unsullied being "stuck" at Casterly Rock with no supplies? At the time they made a lot of noise about what a big deal it was, and then they all suddenly pop up when they're needed in King's Landing, none of them looking any the worse for wear?

I had this EXACT thought.

[Loony BoB]

Ahaha, yeah, I also was like "Oh, so I guess he's alive."

[Slothy]

Well pretty much right after they were stuck there dany and the dothraki sent the lannister armies to the east running for kings landing. There would have been no one to stop them from just marching east and meeting up with everyone then. I don't recall them ever saying they had no supplies though.

[Loony BoB]

I thought the Greyjoys were supposed to be wreckin' them.

[Psychotic]

Euron smashed their ships and the show made a point of saying the Lannisters had left Casterly Rock empty.

I mean yeah they obviously did the GoT teleport to get there, and fine we can even write off somehow marching across a country for weeks with no supplies and arriving exactly on time ready to fight in perfect condition because that's how the show works now. What is kind of irritating is that they made a big deal about how this was a problem and in reality it had zero consequences. Don't set something up only to just lead us down a dead end.

[Slothy]

Uhh, it was a problem because instead of the unsullied sneaking into casterly rock and slaughtering the lannister armies they were off slaughtering one of danys allies while half her fleet was ambushed and they got cut off by sea on one side with the lannister army to the south east of them between dany and the unsullied. Until she slammed into part of the lannister army, messed them up royally, and sent the rest of them packing for kings landing. Hence the way was clear for the two armies to meet up (and I'd imagine a dothraki hoard can cover that distance pretty well).

Hell, after looking at a map again highgarden isn't even that far from the rock. Of the unsullied couldn't find enough supplies to hold out a while in what was left at casterly rock or from sacking a few lannister villages and last until reinforcements routed the lannisters then they'd be a pretty sad army.

[Psychotic]

The problem with that is that it's all fanfiction. You just made it up. I'm not saying that to be a dick to you, but as an indictment on them. Even if what you wrote did happen to the letter (I take issue with your explanation, as you'll see below!) then why introduce a problem on screen to solve it off screen? It's like if they showed us Jon Snow getting stabbed to death and the next time we see him he's leading the charge at Winterfell. Sure, you can fill in the blanks and say oh Melissandre revived him or whatever, but it's still bad writing to introduce an element and then wave away as soon as it's inconvenient. Fans shouldn't have to invent explanations to pick up the strands when writers have dropped them.

Also, because I do like to discuss this stuff, I just want to disagree with your explanation. :D

Dany didn't attack the Lannisters at Highgarden, she attacked them just outside of King's Landing on the Roseroad. The river that Jaime and Bronn dived into was the Blackwater Rush. http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/Map_Westeros_Political.gif If she did this to liberate the Unsullied - and the only explanation in the show given was that she wanted to smurf up the Lannisters without smurfing up a city, no mention of Grey Worm and co - then it's slightly weird given that they're half the continent away. Fine, Dothraki hordes can move relatively well, but the baggage train necessary to supply them sure as heck can't, nor an additional baggage train to supply the Unsullied.

The Unsullied have no reason to go to Highgarden as then that takes them even further away from King's Landing and Dragonstone, and again if they did go to Highgarden, the Lannisters have visibly sacked it of all food as shown in the wagons Dany blew up so no supplies there either. Can the Lannister villages in the Westerlands provide them with enough food to feed an army of that size? No, because there isn't enough there for the Lannister army to survive! That is why they took what little they had and attacked Highgarden to seize their supplies. These Lannister villages have been supporting war for years, it's now winter, and the Lannisters already blew through there taking whatever remained.

But okay, even if there is enough - and again, it's winter, so I really doubt there is - how are they going to get it? Are the Unsullied pillaging and looting from innocent peasants? What if they resist? Are they killing them? Is that the image Daenerys "I don't want to attack the city and kill people" Targaryen is going for? Are there still token Lannister forces resisting them? Assuming they take the Gold Road to King's Landing, they also have to pass through Tyrell and Tully territory. Are they going to start attacking them, even though they're ostensibly still allied with the Tyrells (don't get me started on succession issues in the Reach) and neutral to the Tullys? Again, are the local lords and bannermen just letting the Targaryen forces loot and pillage their peasants or are they resisting?

Like I said, GoT over simplifies things so we can wave it away, but y'know.

[Freya]

Eurons ships were at kings landing, so no one was keeping them at casterly rock. They could just March away.

[Psychotic]

Eurons ships were at kings landing, so no one was keeping them at casterly rock. They could just March away.I think you may have misunderstood the conversation. The issue is not them being able to march out of Casterly Rock. The issue is not even them able to march out of Casterly Rock across a continent for several weeks with enough supplies to keep 8,000 men alive. I think people are getting too caught up with the specifics about this. The problem isn't one of realism. The problem is that they introduced a plot element that mysteriously vanished and was not referred to again.

The show specifically told us that the Lannisters took all of the supplies out of Casterly Rock, and we then saw Euron burning the Unsullied fleet which presumably contained their own supplies. I - and others too, it seems - therefore quite reasonably assumed that this was a real issue that would require some drama to resolve. If they hadn't made such a big deal of Casterly Rock being emptied then I wouldn't care as much if at all.

[Loony BoB]

FWIW, my understanding of the teleportation experienced with the Greyjoy fleet is simply explained with them being a divided fleet at that point, with some of the forces off taking care of the Unsullied boats while the rest are still at King's Landing. It makes way more sense than any other option I've seen listed, especially if the Greyjoys having 1,000 ships thing is true. Being a naval house by nature, and a pirate house by nature at that, it means that they should be able to take on a greater force when given the benefit of surprise attacks, which they had on both occasions. Pretty sure Dany didn't have 2,000 ships.

[Jinx]

Yeah, if they'd never said anything about the supplies, I don't think it'd be too much of an issue. But it does definitely seem like a dropped thread.

[The Captain]

Are we not sure that the other dragons didn't just drop rations down for the unsullied while Dany and Drogon were burning Lannisters? Makes just as much sense as anything else.

Likewise, what exactly was Theon up to for half the season? Just brooding in Dragonstone? And Sam got all the way from Oldtown to Winterfell in the same span as it took Jon to go from Dragonstone to Eastwatch, over the Wall then to King's Landing! The timelines just never made sense.

I think ultimately what happened was, the showrunners knew they needed three things to happen this year: Dany had to meet Jon and fall in love, Dany's armies had to suffer losses because they had too much of an advantage and the wall had to come down. The how and the why didn't matter so long as it led to the endpoint of where the show is now.

This entire season has been problematic from a logic stand point, which is a really big issue since the show had for the longest time been all about the small details being what did people in.


I will give credit though for things I did enjoy this season:

Dany's attack on the Lannister army was AWESOME.
Every sentence out of Bronn's mouth
The banter between Tormund and The Hound
Davos' intro of Jon to Dany
The Tyrion - Cersei and Cersei - Jamie scenes

Prepare for a long wait now. I've been hearing and reading that 2019 looks like the return time.

Take care all.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I'm excited that they set the foundation for Cleganebowl next season. I don't know how it's going down but the scene of Sandor sizing his brother up and saying "You know who's coming for you" definitely wasn't a throwaway.

I think Littlefinger's arc reached a natural conclusion. Winterfell was a fitting place for his death, considering his long history with the Starks/Tullys and all the fair charges brought against him. Here was an example of a conniving person who used all of their rope until they hung themselves with it. Unless he left early on to go plot more in The Eyrie, I'm not sure where he would go. Any plot left for him in King's Landing may still happen under the guise of Arya AS Littlefinger. And whatever she does disguised as him at this point may very well be more interesting than whatever his plans were, especially with 6 episodes left.

[Miriel]

The Winterfell plotline was soooo dumb. Though it was really really satisfying to see Littlefinger die. FINALLY. Oh lord I've just been waiting for that moment. I wish it had been more brutal.

This article articulates better than I can why I've had a problem with the writing this season: http://theweek.com/articles/721097/why-game-thrones-become-incoherent

Basically, it relies on things happening off screen that they never show us, to make certain twists and plotlines possible. And a bunch of shows and movies do this, but game of thrones does it SO often, that it really feels like a cheat.

Did Arya and Sansa plan to trick littlefinger from the beginning? Did they guess his game and then engineer a reverse plot? Was Arya assuming someone was listening when she was being super creepo with Sansa? We can assume these things happened given the conclusion of the plot line but we don't really know because whatever they plotted happened completely ONE HUNDRED PERCENT off screen. And it's constantly like this. Over and over again, they don't give us these discussions or dialogue and prefer to be like, "Ah ha! And this thing happened off screen to facilitate this twist that you're witnessing now! HA HA HA!"

It's weak writing.

Also, as much as I enjoyed Littlefinger's death. I don't think that it makes a lick of sense that he would think that Arya's motivation was that she wanted to be lady of Winterfell. Like, literally no one thought that this is what Arya would want, and Littlefinger would have known that.

As for the Dany/Jon stuff, I knew they were gonna but I am not here for the incest. Blegh.

Anyone who thought Cersei would give a trout about a truce to defeat a greater evil doesn't know jack trout about Cersei. Tyrion should know better. Jamie should know better. All of them should know better.

I loved the smaller moments. Pod/Tyrion, Brienne/Hound, Tyrion/Bronn. I fucking love reunions! I can't wait for the Jon/Arya reunion!

[krissy]

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[The Captain]

So looking at that, the only major, major characters (meaning they get their name in the opening credits) who hasn't killed anyone seem to be Varys and Davos?

Also, are we giving Sansa or Arya credit for killing Littlefinger? Or both?


Take care all.

[Loony BoB]

Like with all images like that one, there are many things that could be argued. The coolest one I have might not have been updated yet, but here's the older one...

https://orig14.deviantart.net/0a1a/f/2013/336/1/0/all_the_kills_in_the_game_of_thrones_by_studioincandescence-d6v5lvj.jpg (https://orig14.deviantart.net/0a1a/f/2013/336/1/0/all_the_kills_in_the_game_of_thrones_by_studioincandescence-d6v5lvj.jpg)

[Jinx]

Yeah, some of those were definitely funny, but arguable. It's hard to figure out the metric they're going by. Like it shows both Jaime and Cersei having killed Olenna, but only Sansa as having killed Littlefinger (when I would say that was a joint effort between her and Arya). And like for Ellaria Sand, Areo Hotah isn't on her list, and she didn't physically kill him herself, but he was a casualty of her coup and she plotted to kill him. Whereas Tywin gets attributed kills for The Red Wedding for plotting it, even though he wasn't there. So there are inconsistencies. Yes, I'm sperging.

Anyways, The Mountain/Oberyn one got a chuckle, as did the Tommen one.

[krissy]

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[Ergroilnin]

I must be utterly blind but I simply cannot locate Tommen D: