Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Rantz]

Rusiest thing in the episode though was not Sansa getting heartbroken or Ros getting murdered, but making poor Brienne wear that outfit.

Ahahaha ikr she pulled off the discomfort thing excellently.

[Pike]

I want two buddy movies out of this series

Tyrion & Bronn

And Brienne & Jaime

[Agent Proto]

A series about Ned and Robert would be just as good. It'll be set before Robert became king!

[Rantz]

I want two buddy movies out of this series

Tyrion & Bronn

And Brienne & Jaime

Tyrion, Bronn & Pod imo. The Hangover IV: Westeros.

[Del Murder]

I thought the climb was pretty cool and the King's Landing scenese were good as always but some of it (Samwell, Bran, Theon) was pretty boring. I guess Bran's storyline doesn't go anywhere for a while but they have to keep showing him to remind us he exists? It's really annoying that nothing is happening with that.

Who's at Storms End right now?

[Freya]

Oh man I was so excited for the sam scene but it looks they'll push it back again. I just love sam, he's such a bumbling fool but I love him, he's so endearingly sweet.

[Madame Adequate]

I thought the climb was pretty cool and the King's Landing scenese were good as always but some of it (Samwell, Bran, Theon) was pretty boring. I guess Bran's storyline doesn't go anywhere for a while but they have to keep showing him to remind us he exists? It's really annoying that nothing is happening with that.

Who's at Storms End right now?

Rickon had a line, I don't know what more CAN happen with Bran's group.

[Agent Proto]

I thought the climb was pretty cool and the King's Landing scenese were good as always but some of it (Samwell, Bran, Theon) was pretty boring. I guess Bran's storyline doesn't go anywhere for a while but they have to keep showing him to remind us he exists? It's really annoying that nothing is happening with that.

Who's at Storms End right now?

Rickon had a line, I don't know what more CAN happen with Bran's group.

Potential Meera and Osha catfight over who can skin rabbits better.

[Del Murder]

I forgot Rickon existed before he uttered that line.

[Psychotic]

Who's at Storms End right now?It's still under Stannis's control although he's back on Dragonstone. Odd, really, as the man ranted and raved about Robert forcing him to have Dragonstone while Renly had Storm's End, and now he has both he chooses Dragonstone as his base anyway.

Also I dunno how you found Theon boring. Well, Theon himself, maybe, but Crazy Guy is a joy to watch.

[Del Murder]

I'm not a big fan of torture scenes. It was fun when the guy tricked him a few episodes back, though.

[Rantz]

I thought the climb was pretty cool and the King's Landing scenese were good as always but some of it (Samwell, Bran, Theon) was pretty boring. I guess Bran's storyline doesn't go anywhere for a while but they have to keep showing him to remind us he exists? It's really annoying that nothing is happening with that.

Who's at Storms End right now?

I believe Stannis left a modest garrison there, but Storm's End is easily enough defended that it's left alone for now. At least I think that's how it goes in the books.

And yeah, I feel like this episode was something of a slowdown after the first wave of action, but I don't mind so much. I might prefer a little bit more evenly paced action but overall I think it works well, and it means when it does get intense it'll get really bloody intense.

Edit:


Who's at Storms End right now?It's still under Stannis's control although he's back on Dragonstone. Odd, really, as the man ranted and raved about Robert forcing him to have Dragonstone while Renly had Storm's End, and now he has both he chooses Dragonstone as his base anyway.
It's not about what castle you like more, it's about what's his by rights! As long as he holds it all is good and well. Stannis :roll2

[Freya]

http://i.imgur.com/D2E1PHd.jpg

That cracked me up, poor theon.

[Jinx]

That last scene...omg, best scene in the entire series, honestly.

Sansa crying as she watched Littlefinger's ship leave made me sad.

Also, RICKON HAD A LINE, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

[Night Fury]

It was an okay episode.

[Jinx]

It was an okay episode.

That's honestly what I've felt all season. :(

But that last scene man. Oh my god.

[Quindiana Jones]

Finally started season two. Who the fuck is Yara Greyjoy? Never heard of her. :colbert:

[Formalhaut]

Finally started season two. Who the smurf is Yara Greyjoy? Never heard of her. :colbert:

In the books, she's originally titled Asha Greyjoy but for the TV series they named her Yara. The reason was that Asha sounded too much like Osha (the wildling), and this made sense to... the creators. Asha and Osha sound different enough to me.

I assume you know who she is in relation to the story though. The 'Greyjoy' title gives it away really.

[Ouch!]

Both Asha and Osha are meant to be pronounced the same way: [ɑʃə].

[Formalhaut]

Oh really? Fair enough. Just looking at the words, they seem different and should be pronounced differently but what do I know?

[Agent Proto]

Both Asha and Osha are meant to be pronounced the same way: [ɑʃə].

This is pretty much true, in one of Theon's chapters, he mentioned how he hated how both women's name sounded the same.

[Jinx]

Formalhaut, you act like you've read the books.

Also, I thought it was Oh-shuh and Ash-uh. Similar, but not identical.

[Agent Proto]

He should start reading the books to see just how different the books are from the show. They're similar, but the show can only have so much from the book that it starts to be its own thing separate from the book.

[Formalhaut]

I 'follow' the books, so to speak. I know what goes on in them, to say the least, and the general points of difference, but in terms of inner deep workings, well, I've not read them, so I couldn't say.

I'd like to read them eventually, but right now I'm reading enough books for my A2 English Literature class.

[Bolivar]

They've regained so much good will they lost from me last season. I guess this episode was slower, but I got to see so many scenes I've been waiting for and the ones they've invented have been really great as well. I've been waiting for another Littlefinger/Varys Iron Throne-side chat!

[Formalhaut]

You do get the feeling that Varys has been a lot more important this season. Last episode, you get Varys with a victory - getting the sorcerer back. Now you get him played by Littlefinger and having his spy brutally murdered. Despite this setback, I wouldn't rule Varys out yet.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Btw, Iwan Rheon makes some great faces.


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[The Summoner of Leviathan]

The south-west. Also I don't think they came in boats (are you thinking of Stannis?) as their territory borders on King's Landing and the Crownlands.

EDIT: a nice map for you: http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/Map_Westeros_Political.gif

Tyrell lands are in green.

I dunno about the TV show but in the books the Redwyne's are sworn to House Tyrell and they hold a modest navy which came to reinforce the losses that King's Landing felt from the Battle of Blackwater.

[Quindiana Jones]

Shit. Jon sounds like Bronn! Better call him Tony Snow!

[Shlup]

I'm still not over the Ros thing.

[Quindiana Jones]

And if they called him Tony Snow and he inherited his father's lands, he would become Tony Stark.

[Loony BoB]

Kinda in agreement that it was a much slower episode. I found the ending very cheesy with the standing on the ledge holding each other and looking out thing. Gutted about Ros. Interesting to watch Tyrion and Cersei have the longest conversation I can remember them ever having.

Our satellite reception got choppy when Gendry went on about "I thought we were brothers" and so forth and then Melisandre said something to him. Could someone fill me in with that little bit of script? =o

[Pheesh]

It was something along the lines of "You are more important than they will ever be. They are just soldiers in the war, but you will make kings rise and fall." With that same expression that makes you want to punch her right in the tit.

[Quindiana Jones]

I want two buddy movies out of this series

Tyrion & Bronn

And Brienne & Jaime

Adding Arya and Tywin to this list.

[Loony BoB]

I want two buddy movies out of this series

Tyrion & Bronn

And Brienne & Jaime

Adding Arya and Tywin to this list.
If I want to watch Tywin talk with anyone more, I'd personally go for the ol' lady Tyrell. Anyone who is happy to personally interrogate him over whether or not he sucks dick has more balls than anyone else in the kingdom as far as I'm concerned. They could be the geriatric buddy movie. Maybe more of a sitcom.

Beyond that: Bran & Hodor. But Tyrion and Bronn would easily better any of the other options, really.

EDIT: I would love to watch a sitcom version of Game of Thrones. It has all the hallmarks to cover a lot of laughs. Multiple awkward families with snippy elderly people, idiot youths, moody children, etc? Hell, The Lannisters could be a sitcom all on their own. It could be done in the style of Blackadder or something.

[Jinx]

Omg, someone needs to add a laugh track to GoT. xD

Yeah, poor Ros. Not totally broken up about her death, but that was pretty gruesome.

[Pike]

Omg, someone needs to add a laugh track to GoT. xD

Been done

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[Jinx]

Omg, someone needs to add a laugh track to GoT. xD

Been done

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holy mother of god, it's perfect xD

[Formalhaut]

Yeah, poor Ros. Not totally broken up about her death, but that was pretty gruesome.

It's strange, because although she is a minor character, for the most part, I did feel really sad about it! Maybe it's because I liked her character. Still, it was very unexpected.

[Cuchulainn]

I'm glad Ros is gone. Dear God every scene with her in it was utterly pointless. Another TV invention that really didn't need to happen. I wanted Alayaya just to hear ppl say Alayaya but noooooooooooo they went with 'Ros'. Whores


EDIT: Has anyone ever added a laugh track to Schindlers List?

[Jowy]

Anyone else notice that Arya and Joffrey both fired on their targets in the same spots?

[chionos]

Anyone else notice that Arya and Joffrey both fired on their targets in the same spots?

Hmm that's interesting, didn't notice that. Will look at those scenes again.

[Jinx]

Yes, I did.

[Quindiana Jones]

Just finished episode three of season three. Two things:

Pod. jpgabnpaiuhijfghajhadahrha. :D:D:D:D:D:D

And those end credits. xD

[NorthernChaosGod]

Man, did Littlefinger just stomp all over Varys. That scene was awesome. Poor Ros though. :(

[Del Murder]

Is Littlefinger going Christian Bale Batman on us?

[chionos]

Is Littlefinger going Christian Bale Batman on us?

Ha. I think so.

[Bolivar]

Another thing about the Melissandre scene with Arya, she says she sees a pair of brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes, and that Arya will close them forever. I'm curious as to what people think of that, particularly book readers. I know we're real sensitive here so I'm gonna put some minor ones in tags:

Ok, so Arya's still alive in A Dance With Dragons, so this prophecy seems unfulfilled. She kills some people along the way, but I don't recall their eyes being of note. Lannisters have green eyes (at least in the books), and some Starks have blue eyes, although I was also thinking maybe it's referring to (F)Aegon? Brown eyes, idk, everyone has them!

[Shlup]

I don't think she was describing the eyes of anyone in particular, just saying that Arya will kill people with eyes of every color because she will kill a shitload of people. That was my interpretation anyway.

[Pike]

No Dany in that episode. I do not approve.

Dany appreciation post:

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[Jinx]

Omg, that was awesome.

[Agent Proto]

I do believe that's several episodes late. I have that as my ringtone though.

[Freya]

I think it's probably something like Jaqen! How he changed into nigel thornberry! Arya might learn to shape shift

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I haven't read Dance yet so I dunno about that story line. I'm waiting for it to come out in paperback but they keep delaying it. I have the rest in paper back so I can't have one hardback :/

[Lonely Paper Star]

Like Cuch, I didn't care for Ros as a character (and would have preferred to have Alayaya in the series), and I felt rather desensitized by her death, idk.

I totally didn't noticed the Joffrey/Arya target thing. That's interesting.

I took Melisandre's line to Arya as her killing people in the future, and hopefully the show runners will actually do some book stuff for her later down the line and have her go to the House of Black and White.

[Shorty]

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melted my heart ;___________________________________;

[Shorty]

It washes her out a bit, yeah, but I like the washed-out look. Pale is the new tan, yo.

[chionos]

Brienne has the longest fucking neck.

[Shlup]

Looking at that gif, I never really realised just how girly and pink Brienne's dress is: sort of makes you think Bolton chose that dress for her just to piss her off!

Book non-spoiler: He did. Glad you noticed.

[Pike]

Next up in Things That Should Have Happened:

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[chionos]

Next up in Things That Should Have Happened:
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Would like to see that wedding night. ^_^

oh man, I'm a perv. >_<

[Agent Proto]

Even if Sansa and Margaery end up killing Joffrey, they wouldn't be able to rule together since Joff's brother is next in line to rule. Cersei can also call them both traitors and have them both punished. :p

[Shorty]

I didn't bother to request a correction.

[Del Murder]

I can't wait to read the books so I can post smug spoilers every time someone who hasn't read the books speculates about something in the future regarding these characters.

[Miriel]

Looking at that gif, I never really realised just how girly and pink Brienne's dress is: sort of makes you think Bolton chose that dress for her just to piss her off!

You don't say!

Pike, I love that. Co-queens. Awww. <3

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Even if Sansa and Margaery end up killing Joffrey, they wouldn't be able to rule together since Joff's brother is next in line to rule. Cersei can also call them both traitors and have them both punished. :p

Minus the two being co-queens that is pretty much what happens in the books. :p

[Shlup]

I can't wait to read the books so I can post smug spoilers every time someone who hasn't read the books speculates about something in the future regarding these characters.

Now what spoilers are you complaining about?

[Del Murder]

I don't know! I can't check them!

[Shlup]

Well heaven forbid that people who read the books want to discuss things too and are polite enough to hide their vast knowledges from your plebeian view!

[blackmage_nuke]

We should just make a second thread for book discussion and be done with it

[chionos]

Are Del and Bob slowly becoming the same person?

[Del Murder]

No, he's actually serious when he makes his crotchety comments.

[Mahad]

The show has too many little deviations from the books at times I get dizzy, aside from the its HBO-nization; like I just recently found out that a certain character's love life doesn't play out the same way and all I can think is "wait, but what about. . .?"

[Pike]

Heh. Gotcha. :smug:

[Rantz]

Del Murder likes to sniff BoB's farts!!!

[Jinx]

The show has too many little deviations from the books at times I get dizzy, aside from the its HBO-nization; like I just recently found out that a certain character's love life doesn't play out the same way and all I can think is "wait, but what about. . .?"

Care to put it in a spoiler and elaborate?

[Mahad]

The show has too many little deviations from the books at times I get dizzy, aside from the its HBO-nization; like I just recently found out that a certain character's love life doesn't play out the same way and all I can think is "wait, but what about. . .?"

Care to put it in a spoiler and elaborate?


I sure can, have you read book 3? and also I don't know how to use the fancy spoiler/hide tags, quick help with that?

[Jinx]

[ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ]

Without the spaces between the brackets and the letters. :)

And yeah, I've read book 3, as have several people here.

[Mahad]

Thanks!



Well see I haven't seen the HBO series season 2 or 3 yet, but I found out that Robb marries some estranged princess or something that he met on the battle field. In the book the marries a noble but she isn't a princess (I don't remember the name or house anymore). He meets the girl in his campaign after leading an attack on the Lanister territory where he captures the girl's castle/home, but the girl's family isn't very rich. It does say on the book that she tended to him after he was wounded in battle, so I guess that much is the same. Now like I've said, I haven't watched the show but I keep wondering if they still have the Red Wedding like they did in the book or if they keep him alive some how, I don't think that should have changed since what get hims killed is the fact that he broke his promise to the Freys to marry one of them. Have they shown that much?

[Jinx]

I've read they're SUPPOSEDLY staying true to the Red Wedding--which would be a fucking miracle--but there are actually some Talisa discussions in this thread already. :)

Also, she wasn't a princess. She was a daughter of a Lannister bannerman. Which leads people to believe that they've made her a Lannister spy in the show, and she's part of the Stark's downfall during the Red Wedding.

[Mahad]

I know the girl in the book isn't a princess, but it was some article that said the girl in the show is a runaway princess in disguise. Idk, too much stuff I haven't seen.

[Lonely Paper Star]

I kept hearing that Benioff and Weiss originally wanted to make ASOIAF a TV series because of the Red Wedding. So while they super-deviate from the books on everything else, they'll want to keep the RW true to the source. Except with Talisa "from Volantis" being alongside Robb (yes, I want to believe she is a spy for the Lannisters XD).

[Rantz]

I'm kind of buying into the "Talisa is a spy" theory. I think it makes sense for the show. A large part of the shock factor in the books was the sense of utter betrayal. The fact that Frey is actually a bannerman of Robb's, the laws of hospitality... all that sort of stuff has not really been communicated in the show, and with good reason. Having someone so close to Robb betray him would be a more effective way to communicate the raw betrayal of the RW.

[Jinx]

I kept hearing that Benioff and Weiss originally wanted to make ASOIAF a TV series because of the Red Wedding. So while they super-deviate from the books on everything else, they'll want to keep the RW true to the source. Except with Talisa "from Volantis" being alongside Robb (yes, I want to believe she is a spy for the Lannisters XD).



If she isn't a spy, it was a pretty stupid change from the book, honestly. See, the thing that D&D don't do well is making changes for an actual purpose. They more just go like, "OH THIS WOULD BE COOL LET'S DO THIS." instead of actually thinking about how that change will affect the series or the pacing of the show.

Example: the scenes about Pod's dick. No, really. It was an unnecessary joke that took away from time that could've been used developing plot, as this season has really been lacking much movement in the story.

And if they just changed Talisa for trouts and giggles, it was totally unnecessary. To be honest, I was never that take with Jeyne Westerling's background or story. What I mean is, it was never particularly interesting to me. But I don't think them making Talisa from Volantis was that interesting of a change either. If she isn't a spy, the only thing I can think of is that they changed her character to make audiences connect more with her. Which is necessary on some level, as the viewer is more connected to Robb in the show, as opposed to not being that connected with Robb personally because all of his scenes are Cat's POV. And unless they're setting her up for future plotlines (someone said she might take place of Jeyne Poole for the fake Arya plotline. Not that they're actually going to pass her OFF as a fake Arya, just that she'd take Jeyne Poole's place of marrying Ramsay, torture, etc.) And unless this is a case, and she isn't a spy, the changes and time spent developing her character were screen time wasted. Especially considering during the books, the reader has no emotional connection to this girl, and she sort of shows up out of the blue (which, considering her role in the books, I actually think works.)

tl;dr If Talisa isn't a Lannister spy, the changes to her character in the show are pointless.

EDIT: oh hi, pontus

[Pheesh]

We should just make a second thread for book discussion and be done with it

[Jinx]

There IS a book thread.

The point is that it's almost impossible to discuss the show and the direction it's going without discussing the books.

If there was a Harry Potter movie thread for movie watchers only, people wouldn't be saying, "GO GET YOUR OWN THREAD, BOOK READERS," cos you can't really separate one from the other, regardless of how many changes they've made. ruined something precious that you love :(

[blackmage_nuke]

There IS a book thread.

The point is that it's almost impossible to discuss the show and the direction it's going without discussing the books.

If there was a Harry Potter movie thread for movie watchers only, people wouldn't be saying, "GO GET YOUR OWN THREAD, BOOK READERS," cos you can't really separate one from the other, regardless of how many changes they've made. ruined something precious that you love :(

It's VERY easy to discuss where the show might go without discussing the books. We do it for every other show that doesnt have an original source material. Half of the people in this thread have been doing it for 62 pages.

And if there was a Harry Potter movie thread back when Harry Potter was still coming out then yes they should go to another thread to discuss anything that might happen in future books

[Pheesh]

I don't care that much as long as everything is kept spoiler free, which it has done, but there was 6 completely spoiler wrapped posts in a row. Just saying.

[blackmage_nuke]

Also it's hard to tell if someone used the spoiler tags because they want to minimize giant spams of gifsets (which i love) or theyre hiding big spoilers (which I hate)

[Jinx]

Good thing we spoiler for you guys, I guess.

[Formalhaut]

When people are labelling something, they should make care to ensure they name the spoiler so people know what they're getting themselves into.

[Jinx]

Or people could just read the books.

OR

Since it seems a lot of people in this thread have no intention of ever reading the books, just read the spoiler? You're not ruining much for yourself. The people who have read the books are spoiled to a pretty big degree on what's happening in the show.

[Psychotic]

Spoilers, eh?

I liked the bit when Brandon Stark gets brutally choked to death as he watches his father burn myself, although the wedding of Ned Stark and Catelyn Tully where the bride was meant to marry the brother who was killed by The Mad King was depressing. Mind you, at least Jaime Lannister got revenge by stabbing the bastard as he soiled himself.

Oh, and I also liked the bit when the dragons of Aegon the conquerer tore Westeros a new one. I also liked it when Brynden Rivers son of Aegon IV Targaryen became Lord Commander of the Night's Watch after being sent up there with Aemon Targaryen, who of course we all know and love for their friendship with Sam.

[chionos]

To summarize what Psy's trying to say: you all some whiny bitches.

[Madame Adequate]

It occurred to me that whilst it might be less dramatic, Melisandre's got a power that is a hell of a lot more dangerous than shadowbabby. That was a one-shot that killed one person, very usefully but ultimately nothing that couldn't have got done by a regular assassin.

No, she can find people. She found Gendry. She knew that he was A) King Robert's bastard, when only a handful of people knew that, and B) that he was still alive, which only a handful of people knew. No living people possess both those pieces of information, not even Gendry himself. The only people who know he was with the Brotherhood Without Banners were the Brotherhood, Arya, and Hot Pie, but she rode straight up into the camp (She knew where that was too) and found him. She knew enough to know he was alive and in that camp, even if she didn't necessarily know which incredibly sexy young man there he was.

Thus, either she's got a network of spies that Littlefinger and the Spider combined couldn't dream of or the Red God's given her more than just a shadowbabby. That said I'll never stop relishing her disbelief that the terrible drunkard nonbelieving Thoros of Myr gets to cast Rez.

[Formalhaut]

It occurred to me that whilst it might be less dramatic, Melisandre's got a power that is a hell of a lot more dangerous than shadowbabby. That was a one-shot that killed one person, very usefully but ultimately nothing that couldn't have got done by a regular assassin.

No, she can find people.


So she's both a one-shot day vigilante AND a Follower? Sheesh, some Mafia role.

[Psychotic]

WHUR MUH BASTARDS AT? WHUR MUH GENDRYS AT?

[Pike]

THE GAME OF THRONES THREAD ON EOFF

WHERE 75% OF THE THREAD IS PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT SPOILERS AND HOW EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE BOOK

WELCOME ABOARD AND ENJOY YOUR STAY

[Jinx]

WHUR MUH BASTARDS AT? WHUR MUH GENDRYS AT?

RED PRIESTE-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-SS


THE GAME OF THRONES THREAD ON EOFF

WHERE 75% OF THE THREAD IS PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT SPOILERS AND HOW EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE BOOK

WELCOME ABOARD AND ENJOY YOUR STAY

If only you knew how much I was raging at Hux's post right now.

[Psychotic]

THE GAME OF THRONES THREAD ON EOFF

WHERE 75% OF THE THREAD IS PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT SPOILERS AND HOW EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE BOOK

WELCOME ABOARD AND ENJOY YOUR STAYWHUR MUH BOOKS AT? WHUR MUH SPOILRS AT?

also while I'm on the subject, having seen a smurfton of this trout on YouTube while trying to listen to the Rains of Castamere, saying "heh wait for episode x" is a spoiler and if you post it I will lock you in a vault.

[Jinx]

THE GAME OF THRONES THREAD ON EOFF

WHERE 75% OF THE THREAD IS PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT SPOILERS AND HOW EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE BOOK

WELCOME ABOARD AND ENJOY YOUR STAYWHUR MUH BOOKS AT? WHUR MUH SPOILRS AT?

also while I'm on the subject, having seen a smurfton of this trout on YouTube while trying to listen to the Rains of Castamere, saying "heh wait for episode x" is a spoiler and if you post it I will lock you in a vault.

Only if I have a big black guy to keep me company.

[Psychotic]

Not quite, it will be Aaron Fre-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-eeeeed.

[Jinx]

Not quite, it will be Aaron Fre-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-eeeeed.

WHURR MY FRO AT. WHURR MY :MONSTER: AT.

[The Man]

I got your :monster: right here

[chionos]

Someone needs to do a Drunk History - GoT edition.

[Jinx]

Someone needs to do a Drunk History - GoT edition.

wat dat

[chionos]

Someone needs to do a Drunk History - GoT edition.

wat dat

O_O

I will forgive your ignorance this one time because you are a baby and one can't seriously expect babies to care about history. Or to recognize awesomeness. Drunk History is exactly what it sounds like. Someone gets drunk and talks about history (a person or an event).

So, some super awesome EoFF member needs to get drunk and record themselves talking about GoT theories, and then some other really cool EoFF members need to act them out and then some less awesome but equally tech savvy EoFF rube can edit all the clips together for the viewing pleasure of everyone else because it would be super duper awesome.

[Jinx]

Someone needs to do a Drunk History - GoT edition.

wat dat

O_O

I will forgive your ignorance this one time because you are a baby and one can't seriously expect babies to care about history. Or to recognize awesomeness. Drunk History is exactly what it sounds like. Someone gets drunk and talks about history (a person or an event).

So, some super awesome EoFF member needs to get drunk and record themselves talking about GoT theories, and then some other really cool EoFF members need to act them out and then some less awesome but equally tech savvy EoFF rube can edit all the clips together for the viewing pleasure of everyone else because it would be super duper awesome.

Tomorrow is my last final.

You can expect this.

[chionos]

Someone needs to do a Drunk History - GoT edition.

wat dat

O_O

I will forgive your ignorance this one time because you are a baby and one can't seriously expect babies to care about history. Or to recognize awesomeness. Drunk History is exactly what it sounds like. Someone gets drunk and talks about history (a person or an event).

So, some super awesome EoFF member needs to get drunk and record themselves talking about GoT theories, and then some other really cool EoFF members need to act them out and then some less awesome but equally tech savvy EoFF rube can edit all the clips together for the viewing pleasure of everyone else because it would be super duper awesome.

Tomorrow is my last final.

You can expect this.

I am officially holding you to this. DO IT!

[Jinx]

What specifically would you like to hear my normal self talk about?

[Psychotic]

Sing whur muh boats at.

[Jinx]

Sing whur muh boats at.

I'll do this for you, bby. :aimkiss:

[chionos]

Because you're awesome and really going to do this or i will knife you, I will leave it entirely up to you. Pick your favorite character. Pick your least favorite character. Who's the three-headed dragon? ETC.

Yes, that too, after drunken history, do drunken whur muh boats at.

And don't skimp on "Khaleesi-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i"

[Jinx]

Pick my least favourite character?

I don't think anyone can handle another one of my Daenerys Targaryen rants.

[Psychotic]

Tell us whether Jason, Patrek or Denys is the best Mallister.

[chionos]

Pick my least favourite character?

I don't think anyone can handle another one of my Daenerys Targaryen rants.

I don't care about the whiners. I'll allow it if that's what you want to do. Though, I think you can do better than that.

[Agent Proto]

http://i.imgur.com/MRQMShV.gif

[Pike]

http://i.imgur.com/MRQMShV.gif

oh my god I'm glad I wasn't drinking cause I would've spit it out

[NorthernChaosGod]

Dat gif.

[Shlup]

THE GAME OF THRONES THREAD ON EOFF

WHERE 75% OF THE THREAD IS PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT SPOILERS AND HOW EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE BOOK

WELCOME ABOARD AND ENJOY YOUR STAY
If it makes you feel any better, I don't give a shit if you read the books or not.


It occurred to me that whilst it might be less dramatic, Melisandre's got a power that is a hell of a lot more dangerous than shadowbabby. That was a one-shot that killed one person, very usefully but ultimately nothing that couldn't have got done by a regular assassin.

No, she can find people.
And this is a good example of why! I would never have looked at it that way, because Gendry isn't the one Melisandre goes for in the books. Gendy's character was used in place of another character, who wasn't hard to find at all. The whole thing with Melisandre taking Gendry instead and having that interaction with Arya really threw book readers for a loop.

[Jinx]

Oh, I thought of one of the things they're probably writing themselves into a corner with.

PATCHFACE, ANYONE?

[Psychotic]

Didn't you hear the song? Shireen has taken over Patchface's duties.

[Jinx]

Didn't you hear the song? Shireen has taken over Patchface's duties.

Shireen is the Drowned God now? Fuck.

[Psychotic]

That's not even necessarily A Thing for Patchface. Melisandre shitting herself doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be a big character.

[Jinx]

I know.

That's why I said they've PROBABLY written themselves into a corner.

[Freya]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/1b0ec5bd257acfb0fdecb94c69cedc78/tumblr_mmpxfpXl6R1qbpwbeo1_500.gif

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

It occurred to me that whilst it might be less dramatic, Melisandre's got a power that is a hell of a lot more dangerous than shadowbabby. That was a one-shot that killed one person, very usefully but ultimately nothing that couldn't have got done by a regular assassin.

No, she can find people. She found Gendry. She knew that he was A) King Robert's bastard, when only a handful of people knew that, and B) that he was still alive, which only a handful of people knew. No living people possess both those pieces of information, not even Gendry himself. The only people who know he was with the Brotherhood Without Banners were the Brotherhood, Arya, and Hot Pie, but she rode straight up into the camp (She knew where that was too) and found him. She knew enough to know he was alive and in that camp, even if she didn't necessarily know which incredibly sexy young man there he was.

Thus, either she's got a network of spies that Littlefinger and the Spider combined couldn't dream of or the Red God's given her more than just a shadowbabby. That said I'll never stop relishing her disbelief that the terrible drunkard nonbelieving Thoros of Myr gets to cast Rez.

It is quite more likely the R'hllor is giving her visions, as he has in the past. So much less she has a magic power to find people and more R'hllor being an active force and helping his followers. It also makes sense given that Thoros says that the power to resurrect the dead is not his but R'hllor's who happen to be listening/favouring him. The distinction is slight and perhaps not important to some, but it seems to be the one that his followers hold.

As for Patchface, I'd wager that either the Drowned God and/or Great Other (the antithesis of R'hllor) had touched him/involved itself with him thus he reaction. I also suspect that the Drowned God is just a facet of the Other. Actually as far as the R'hllor priesthood is concern, it would seem that all "false" idols are created by R'hllor's nemesis.

spoiler this stuff, come on man. The guy has clearly not read the book - psy

[Jinx]

my uncle told me that they reveal that Talisa is pregnant. He's pretty upset about it, the make a big deal about her drinking the moon tea, and it's very ambiguous about her even being able to get pregnant. He's hoping kill her off during the RW. He's just angry, as GRRM wrote this episode, and he feels like GRRM spoiled his own book.

[Freya]

GRRM Wrote it so.......................... I think HE of all people knows what he's doing with his own story o.o

I think they were going for having more of a connection to Robb and Talisa so that way watchers are more connected to their "archs"

In the books you have all the time and perspective to come to love and like characters but the show doesn't have that time or that insight. They have to do things to make it move faster and stronger. And that was one way to do so.

[Jinx]

I never said that GRRM didn't know what was happening in his own books. xD

Just that he revealed that Jeyne/Talisa WAS pregnant. Which if the baby is carried to term and delivered, it will change things DRASTICALLY. Him bringing that into the show spoiled part of book 6 and/or 7.

Unless of course Talisa is killed during the RW, which is a possibility. Because, as you said, the show is trying to connect you to the characters, and that would be a good way to do so.

EDIT: And, as I've said, I haven't actually watched the episode for myself yet. Just relaying my uncle's opinion on the episode. I've yet to form an opinion of my own. :greenie:

[Cuchulainn]

Didn't you hear the song? Shireen has taken over Patchface's duties.

Shireen is the Drowned God now? smurf.

Patchface is the drowned god? you've made quite a leap there.

[Shlup]

After Jaime saved Brienne BJ was all "Ever since they killed a cool guy (Ned) they never go through with deaths anymore." It was so hard to bite my tongue. I'll have to remind him of that comment in a couple weeks.

[blackmage_nuke]

Theon's parts are a real downer

[Cuchulainn]

Theon's parts are a real downer

you mean they fall when they're cut off?.

[Jinx]

Didn't you hear the song? Shireen has taken over Patchface's duties.

Shireen is the Drowned God now? smurf.


Patchface is the drowned god? you've made quite a leap there.

It's actually not my theory. If you do a google search, you'll probably come up with a lot of returns on it. And also that he is possibly the Great Other.

[McLovin']

Lacking epicness a GRRM episode normally has. Would have been cool to make the end more climactic.

[The Man]

@TB: That sounds like a crackpot theory if I've ever heard one.

[Jinx]

@TB: That sounds like a crackpot theory if I've ever heard one.

I don't think he's supposed to be either of them himself. More like he was possessed or something.

[Ouch!]

Given that Martin has repeatedly said that the existence of any of the gods in the series will never be confirmed--he's been pretty adamant that the ambiguity about which gods are real, or if any of the gods are real is important--I think it's fairly unlikely that anyone turns out to be a god.

Prophesy, on the other hand, is common (if ambiguous), and magic--whether it comes from gods or is only perceived to--clearly exists. If you're expecting R'hllor, the Drowned God, the Seven, or the Old Gods to come down from the heavens and intervene at some point, you're probably going to be disappointed.

Reading between the lines through much of the material in A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons, it's becoming clear that Martin is interested in the struggle between the sciences and the occult. A number of Sam's chapters revealed that most of the Maesters in the Citadel hold disdain for studying magic (which is why most do not have that link on their chain).

It is strongly implied throughout the series that the presence of dragons in the world is related to the existence of magic (note, the sorcerers of Qarth said as much and it's only since Dany woke dragons that the red priests have been able to wield real magic; in the first book when Thoros of Myr participates in the melee with a flaming sword, the fire destroys eventually melts and destroys the sword). It is also strongly implied throughout the series that the Maesters' order was largely responsible for the death of the last dragons.

AFFC sets up a lot of trout in Oldtown, the Maesters, and the septons; Ja'qen's presence as a spy in Oldtown, moving a major POV character down to Oldtown (Sam), and the importance of Cersei's mistake arming the church are not all coincidence. Martin is setting up some big things to happen down south, and I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of it has to do with setting the maesters and the septons up against blasphemous magic.

[Freya]

You know who is looking terrifying?
http://25.media.tumblr.com/b17adc15534524260e27b312f36d73b9/tumblr_mmr08fymOr1s1komro2_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/3c833130a1c73a6ed575851ef15cd3bd/tumblr_mmr08fymOr1s1komro1_500.gif

[Jinx]

Oh wow. That's awesome. The dragons finally are starting to look not cute! (Although it's still pretty cute, just in a different way.)

[Freya]

The Dany scene was awesome! I mean she was just like "It's MOTHERFUCKING MOTHER'S DAY don't diss me or my dragon's will fuck you up."

http://25.media.tumblr.com/d54110652ca9ea6c22db2e1a98597dab/tumblr_mmqldtpLOZ1qaa8d1o1_500.gif

That and the Twyin Joff scene. Tywin is such a badass. He doesn't take Joff's shit.

[Rantz]

I was a little annoyed at Arya saying Death was her god. I know there's less room for subtlety in a TV show, but this crossed the line for me. It sounded really cheesy and forced, and I really thought it was obvious enough already from the show that her world view was becoming quite morbid.

Aside from that, it was an alright episode. Hoping for much more from the last three episodes, though.

[Psychotic]

I was a little annoyed at Arya saying Death was her god. I know there's less room for subtlety in a TV show, but this crossed the line for me. It sounded really cheesy and forced, and I really thought it was obvious enough already from the show that her world view was becoming quite morbid.Yeah I found that jarring too.

It was probably one of the weaker episodes. I guess because no Varys/Littlefinger/Queen of Thorns, and very minimal Tyrion!

Also I don't like what they're doing with Shae. Book spoilers ahoy. They're making her upset with Tyrion marrying Sansa, presumably to give some context to her betraying him when he is put on trial. In the book she didn't mind about that and that's what made her betrayal so hurtful - it came completely out of the blue. Now you can see it coming.

Theon. Ouch. More book spoil. Given that Theon disappeared entirely for ASOS and AFFC, I don't know how much more material they can add get out of this - they already did his false escape, his fingers being cut off and now his schlong. I mean, I assume they're going to do AFFC and ADWD alongside each other but they've still got to get another season out of Theon torture!

[Rantz]

Also I don't like what they're doing with Shae. Book spoilers ahoy. They're making her upset with Tyrion marrying Sansa, presumably to give some context to her betraying him when he is put on trial. In the book she didn't mind about that and that's what made her betrayal so hurtful - it came completely out of the blue. Now you can see it coming.

Theon. Ouch. More book spoil. Given that Theon disappeared entirely for ASOS and AFFC, I don't know how much more material they can add get out of this - they already did his false escape, his fingers being cut off and now his schlong. I mean, I assume they're going to do AFFC and ADWD alongside each other but they've still got to get another season out of Theon torture!

I considered both of those things too! For Theon, Unless they're gonna add a lot of new material to his story, I think they're gonna have to cut him out (heh) completely from the next season and perhaps a few subsequent ones as well. I imagine they'll use the rumoured death ruse from the books.

As for Shae, what they're doing with her in the show makes me wonder if the same was supposed to be a motivation for her in the books, even though it was never stated, and if it was implied it was pretty subtle. I've wondered about her motivations somewhat - doing it for the cash always seemed too simple to me, even if that was the reason I had to accept.

[Cuchulainn]

Given that Martin has repeatedly said that the existence of any of the gods in the series will never be confirmed--he's been pretty adamant that the ambiguity about which gods are real, or if any of the gods are real is important--I think it's fairly unlikely that anyone turns out to be a god.

Prophesy, on the other hand, is common (if ambiguous), and magic--whether it comes from gods or is only perceived to--clearly exists. If you're expecting R'hllor, the Drowned God, the Seven, or the Old Gods to come down from the heavens and intervene at some point, you're probably going to be disappointed.

Reading between the lines through much of the material in A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons, it's becoming clear that Martin is interested in the struggle between the sciences and the occult. A number of Sam's chapters revealed that most of the Maesters in the Citadel hold disdain for studying magic (which is why most do not have that link on their chain).

It is strongly implied throughout the series that the presence of dragons in the world is related to the existence of magic (note, the sorcerers of Qarth said as much and it's only since Dany woke dragons that the red priests have been able to wield real magic; in the first book when Thoros of Myr participates in the melee with a flaming sword, the fire destroys eventually melts and destroys the sword). It is also strongly implied throughout the series that the Maesters' order was largely responsible for the death of the last dragons.

AFFC sets up a lot of trout in Oldtown, the Maesters, and the septons; Ja'qen's presence as a spy in Oldtown, moving a major POV character down to Oldtown (Sam), and the importance of Cersei's mistake arming the church are not all coincidence. Martin is setting up some big things to happen down south, and I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of it has to do with setting the maesters and the septons up against blasphemous magic.

This picture says the opposite

http://s7.postimg.org/gzcgg357f/Gfhds.jpg

[Agent Proto]

I think I might be the only one who thinks this way, but I really don't like Osha interfering with Bran and his group. In the books, the group was split in two, Bran traveled with the Reeds and Hodor, and Rickon traveled with Osha. Having them stick together for the show does make sense, but I think it might ruin Osha's relationship with the Reeds (especially Meera) and Bran.

Again, it's probably just me thinking this way. :greenie:

[Formalhaut]

Watched this latest episode. General thoughts as I watch it live.





I found Sansa's and Margarery's talk in the garden something akin to some sort of "rom-com" talk between BFFs. In Between all of that love natter though was more ambiguity about Margarey's virginal status. When Sansa asked her why she knew so much stuff about love and sex, there's a very distinguished pause and she merely replies that her mother taught her. I picked up on that for some reason.
Loved the scene between Tywin and Joffrey. Good staging and a dramatic entrance for Tywin sets the scene really. Watch how Joffrey squirms in his throne. For once, Joffrey actually has a point about the dragons and is the first time he had a good idea in his life.
Jorah again gives good counsel: ignore Yunkai and just route to Westeros, or at least in that general direction. But Dany insists on freeing slaves everywhere like she's some sort of freedom fighter. I get slightly tired of her storyline to be honest. Yawn. Theatrics with the dragons was nice though and I love Dany's smug face. Still, she was offered as many ships as possible: seriously.
Shae is being a right bitch. She has no concept of the fact that Tyrion had no choice. She doesn't realise that Tywin has loads of power and as far as I'm aware still active on that death threat to Tyrion's whore. Sheesh. Things are starting to go downhill for Tyrion, badly.
Didn't expect Gendry or Melisandre at all this episode. Little bits of info from Melisandre about her backstory but that's about it. Not bad.
Arya again. She's still sulking, not that I can blame her particularly. Still, the whole 'death' comment thing is very potent and a tad strong. Get that girl some counselling! Still, her plot will be progressing further now that The Hound is going to frogmarch her back to Riverrun or someplace.
Ah, a scene with Jaime and Brienne, my favourite couple! Jaime's oath will be a bit tricky to pull through to be honest. They're saying goodbye but I doubt it's for long. If the screenshots and trailers have anything to go by!
More Theon torture porn now. I'm getting sick of it to be honest. I skipped right through this on X2 speed and got the gist.
EVEN more Jon and Ygritte talk. Blah blah blah. Some info about failed attempts and more pathos involved in that which will undoubtedly lead to some crescendo. I feel like all Jon's done is walk, and walk, and walk. Oh a wall! And walk again.
Oh, Bran... yawn. I really liked Osha during Season 1 and Season 2 but this season they're really making her a right bitch. Ever since the Reeds came, she's been moaning and whining and such. Ugh. This did eventually lead to a heart sobbing story from Osha about her former boyfriend. I do sense a group split up at some point down the road. Maybe it will mirror the book (Osha/Rickon leaving) but perhaps in a different way? Eh. Who knows. I just find Bran's storyline uncomfortable at the moment.
Qyburn talk here. He's very clever, but very twisted. But then Jaime has another salvation moment and rushes back to Brienne for the climax! Yeah woo!! I love a good rescue. It could just be me, but Jaime is quickly turning into Sawyer from Lost. A bit rough round the edges and even a badass at first, but now he's a fully fledged rough diamond hero. The entire rescue sequence is badass, as is the unnamed Bolton man with the crossbow who deserves credit for shooting the bear. A great climax.


And that's essentially a scene by scene thought as I watched it! Overall, it was a decent exposition episode with a thrilling climax. It didn't quite reach The Climb's standard for me, but it was still good. I'm looking forward to the endgame of this season because we've had so much exposition this season it has to reach a bigass crescendo.

[blackmage_nuke]

I was a little annoyed at Arya saying Death was her god. I know there's less room for subtlety in a TV show, but this crossed the line for me. It sounded really cheesy and forced, and I really thought it was obvious enough already from the show that her world view was becoming quite morbid.


I didnt think it was about her world view becoming morbid at all. It was just showing she had taken what her Dancing Instructor had said and abandoned her old Gods, and also to show the expression on some of the brotherhood's faces to hint that one of them might be from Bravos

[Pike]

Guys Jaime and Brienne are best friends and I cannot handle how cute it is http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a109/Pikestaff/smiley/emot-allears_zps3b660dd9.gif

[Madame Adequate]

Ahahahah I love when Qyburn was like "Yeah how many lives have YOU saved :smug:" thinking he's got Jaime but then Jaime shoots back with "Half a million. The population of King's Landing."

Also I don't know whether Dany or Jaime rescuing Brienne was the better part of the episode, but damn it was great. :love:

[Pike]

Man Jaime gets better with every episode and YES DANY :love: Great ep, can't wait for next week :jess:

[Formalhaut]

Season 2: Jaime and Brienne. Oh, okay, a prisoner exchange. Fair enough. Middling storyline.

Season 3: WOW!!!!!!! Possibly my favourite storyline. Keeps me wanting more!


Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the storyline.

[blackmage_nuke]

Has the lord of light been refered to as the red god before this ep? I dont remember anyone reffering to the red god apart from jaqen but i might just be very unperceptive

[Del Murder]

Well that was one of the most boring episodes of this show. Up until the last scene. Jamie/Brienne's storyline has been the best this season.

[chionos]

Well that was one of the most boring episodes of this show. Up until the last scene. Jamie/Brienne's storyline has been the best this season.

Most of this season has been underwhelming, with just bits and pieces of greatness.

I think the Jamienne storyline has been just about the best translation from book to show of any current storyline. As in, I'm enjoying their story on the show even more than I did in the books.

[Del Murder]

I think the show suffers from too much book to show translation. I mean, I haven't read ASoS but clearly nothing happens to Bran's group during this time period or else they would have shown it. But they still have to give them scenes and establish the Reeds. So why not invent some crazy adventures for them to have while they travel? At least Jon/Ygritte breaks up the monotony of having pretty much the same plot direction (wandering around aimlessly) with their little quips and random sex.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

spoiler this stuff, come on man. The guy has clearly not read the book - psy

To be fair, Psy, it is mentioned in the TV show that R'hllor gives her, as well as his followers, visions (ref. scenes with Mel and Stannis staring into the fire). So it is not really a spoiler, moreover the latter part was paraphrasing from the same episode MILF was talking about. So not really book spoilering it! :p

As for the dragons and magic! It is apparent that while dragons and magic are connected, it is not clear exactly how. First, while magic did disappear in Westeros (for the most part, there were still wargs and greenseerers though rare) with the death of the dragons, it was said that it still existed to a lesser extent in Asshai and other places. Also Jaqen ability to glamour/shift his face seems to be something he was able to do before the the dragons were born. It could be that lesser magics were still possible while the dragons were dormant/"extinct" or that the dragons are only tied to certain kinds of magic or amplifies certain kinds of magic. Perhaps "Song of Ice and Fire" also refers to the two kinds of magic: ice and fire. For the R'hllorians this would be R'hllor and the Great Other. Accepting such an antimony yet taking away the judgement value, we have fire associated with life, light, and shadows and ice associated with death and darkness. It should be noted there is a degree of overlap but in these instances there are still differences (e.g. the white walkers v.s. Berric or Caitlin). The magic employed by the Faceless Men would follow under "ice" due to them basically worshiping Death itself and would be largely unaffected by the absence of the dragons. This is all speculation of course since we know little to nothing about Asshai. Moreover, the wargs' and greenseerers' gifts seem independent and more relation to the Children of the Forest/The Old Gods. Then again, from the R'hllor perspective the Old Gods would just be the Great Other in another disguise. So, yeah circles.

I sorta rambled in there and most of it is briefly thought about speculation.

EDIT: Del, there isn't much that happens with Bran and co. until they get to the "Gift" (the lands bordering the Wall)

[chionos]

I think the show suffers from too much book to show translation. I mean, I haven't read ASoS but clearly nothing happens to Bran's group during this time period or else they would have shown it. But they still have to give them scenes and establish the Reeds. So why not invent some crazy adventures for them to have while they travel? At least Jon/Ygritte breaks up the monotony of having pretty much the same plot direction (wandering around aimlessly) with their little quips and random sex.

Well that's what I meant.

Translation not Transliteration.

I think the show has given us some stuff onscreen between Brienne and Jamie that just wasn't there in the book. It's mostly nuance, but it's still stretching the source and I like that.

[Del Murder]

Yeah, more stretching please. With GoT you can pretty much go scene for scene from the book because that was a very self-contained plot with a crescendo and big payoff with several small payoffs along the way. The plot is always moving. The rest of series, from what I can see, is a much more grander tale that is strung along over several different volumes. That's great for an epic book series but for television you need a much more focused plot to be successful.

[Jowy]

Every great show has one or two totally sucky episodes. You know the last two episodes of the season are totally going to make up for one mediocre hour from the entire season. Most of you have read the books, some just inadvertently got it spoiled. I feel like the this season finale will be the best so far.

[Shlup]

Also I don't like what they're doing with Shae. Book spoilers ahoy. They're making her upset with Tyrion marrying Sansa, presumably to give some context to her betraying him when he is put on trial. In the book she didn't mind about that and that's what made her betrayal so hurtful - it came completely out of the blue. Now you can see it coming.

Theon. Ouch. More book spoil. Given that Theon disappeared entirely for ASOS and AFFC, I don't know how much more material they can add get out of this - they already did his false escape, his fingers being cut off and now his schlong. I mean, I assume they're going to do AFFC and ADWD alongside each other but they've still got to get another season out of Theon torture!

I considered both of those things too! For Theon, Unless they're gonna add a lot of new material to his story, I think they're gonna have to cut him out (heh) completely from the next season and perhaps a few subsequent ones as well. I imagine they'll use the rumoured death ruse from the books.

As for Shae, what they're doing with her in the show makes me wonder if the same was supposed to be a motivation for her in the books, even though it was never stated, and if it was implied it was pretty subtle. I've wondered about her motivations somewhat - doing it for the cash always seemed too simple to me, even if that was the reason I had to accept.
Yeah, I am really over these Theon torture scenes.

I agree with Rantz about Shae. In the books I didn't see her betrayal coming at all. In the show she seems really connected to him and is making it clear that she feels like she's just a whore that he's going to get tired of. Pretty clear motivation. I'm not sure I have a problem with the book and show having such different takes on this; we'll see which one turns out better.



I was a little annoyed at Arya saying Death was her god. I know there's less room for subtlety in a TV show, but this crossed the line for me. It sounded really cheesy and forced, and I really thought it was obvious enough already from the show that her world view was becoming quite morbid.


I didnt think it was about her world view becoming morbid at all. It was just showing she had taken what her Dancing Instructor had said and abandoned her old Gods, and also to show the expression on some of the brotherhood's faces to hint that one of them might be from Bravos
I agree--I thought it was touching that she seems to be connecting with the two men from Bravos who have helped her. Her delivery was melodramatic, but that fits her age group so whatever.


Guys Jaime and Brienne are best friends and I cannot handle how cute it is http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a109/Pikestaff/smiley/emot-allears_zps3b660dd9.gif
That are totes my BFF OTP. <3 <3


Well that was one of the most boring episodes of this show. Up until the last scene. Jamie/Brienne's storyline has been the best this season.
Yeah, the whole episode I was thinking "Well at least that scene will be exciting" since I knew what the episode title referred to. I like dialogue and story building, but that was basically all that happened other than the bear scene.


Yeah, more stretching please. With GoT you can pretty much go scene for scene from the book because that was a very self-contained plot with a crescendo and big payoff with several small payoffs along the way. The plot is always moving. The rest of series, from what I can see, is a much more grander tale that is strung along over several different volumes. That's great for an epic book series but for television you need a much more focused plot to be successful.
Yeah, once you get through GoT there are a few huge highlights but GRRM just writes so much detail that the story is too much for TV to handle. I think they know that's an issue and are doing their best to work with that, but it's still a huge learning process. I think the rest of the season (or at least the last two episodes) will make up for the slow build this season. It's unfortunate that there are several storylines per book where seriously nothing happens.

[Aulayna]

Something major has to happen soon - a lot of pieces have been setup and positioned and there's a tantalising expectation of some major event or revelation coming that still has yet to materialise. My patience is beginning to wear a bit thin with the show now.

[Freya]

I keep hearing from non book readers "what's the point of this" "why are they showing that" and it bothers me because a lot of what they are showing ends up setting up awesome climaxes in archs. It's like, calm down and let the tension build. Thats the perk of this series everything builds up for awesome. it built up to neds demise, danys dragons and Jon's wights in season one. it built up to house of the undying, blackwater and the nights watch facing an army of sights in season two. The same thing is happening this season! Just enjoy the build up people!

[Loony BoB]

Thoughts on the latest episode...

- I must be the only person in the world who liked Jaime better when he was a dick, because I am bored of this Brienne storyline. I liked it better when they didn't get along.
- Theon. Oh God. No. No! That's just nasty! That's too far! Aaaaargggghhhh! I winced and cringed and shifted my legs, that is just so mean. I mean, I shouldn't feel sorry for a prick like him, but they've managed to make me do so.
- Dany: Okay that was a badass scene and those are some badass dragons. Perhaps my fave Dany scene so far.
- Arya: Arya
- Shae: Selfish much? But Tyrion doesn't have to smurf her, does he? Is someone going to watch and verify it happens? Geez.
- Sansa/Marge: Comedy.
- Jon Snow: Becoming my favourite storyline at the moment, I really look forward to seing how well this little raider group do. =o
- Book readers, I hope you realise by constantly saying "OH MAN YOU JUST WAIT IT'S ALL ABOUT TO GO CRAZY" that you are just ruining the shock value of anything that happens. >=/ All it really does so far is make the current episodes seem even more lacklustre because I'm expecting the wall to fall down on top of Winterfell and the dragons to start talking and for whitewalkers to appear in the middle of the weddings and kill everyone and then of course Rick Astley will show up as the entertainment for the whitewalkers and they'll have a disco. UNLESS THIS HAPPENS THE CRAZY YOU ARE DISCUSSING WILL NOT MEET EXPECTATIONS. And again, this is more the person at work than the people in this thread. Geeez. And yes I've told her all this. >=| AND SHE STILL DOES IT. People need to learn the art of subtlety.

Decent episode, though, really. I think I like the storylines most people don't for some reason, and vice versa.

[Psychotic]

As for Shae, what they're doing with her in the show makes me wonder if the same was supposed to be a motivation for her in the books, even though it was never stated, and if it was implied it was pretty subtle. I've wondered about her motivations somewhat - doing it for the cash always seemed too simple to me, even if that was the reason I had to accept.I dunno, like, in the books she's always going on about her fine silks and her jewelry and how she wants to wear those. To me, she always seemed to be very materialistic.

[Formalhaut]

I keep hearing from non book readers "what's the point of this" "why are they showing that" and it bothers me because a lot of what they are showing ends up setting up awesome climaxes in archs. It's like, calm down and let the tension build. Thats the perk of this series everything builds up for awesome. it built up to neds demise, danys dragons and Jon's wights in season one. it built up to house of the undying, blackwater and the nights watch facing an army of sights in season two. The same thing is happening this season! Just enjoy the build up people!

Hey, I'm enjoying it! I value the worth of a good exposition episode don well. The Climb was done very well. Bear and the Maiden Fair was slightly weaker for me, but still good.

I think the problem is that this season is adapted roughly from the first half of the third book. In practically every book, the first half or so is always exposition based with the odd surprise or climax or event. I'm expecting more from Season 4 as that will be adapted from the latter end of the third book, where I'm presuming tons of smurf gets down to close the book.

I might be talking absolutely gibberish, but I'm not worried, is all I'm saying. There's been enough action in there for me.

[Quindiana Jones]

Just finished watching And Now His Watch Has Ended. Any man capable of rage-choking the man who stabbed him in the back with one god damn hand is well deserving of the title "Old Bear". What a beast. Point of interest: he was also the dad in Braveheart who got shot with an arrow and, after having it torn out and the wound cauterised and covered with alcohol, knocked the nearest man out with one punch and yelled "That'll wake you up in the morning lads!" Some actors are made to play badasses. :D

Thoroughly enjoyed the end of the episode. Daenerys is a beast also. Can't wait for the Hound's duel, though I wish Dondarrion was more... dead. I wish we'd been hearing about the myriad of deaths he's suffered throughout the series, and I wish his mortal wounds were more obvious. He just looks like a dude with an eye missing and a cut on his neck; he's supposed to look borderline undead, goddamnit!

[Lonely Paper Star]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/d037d379e05ecfe809de9b03eb74073f/tumblr_mmjcqhcQyJ1qdwxr0o1_500.gif

[Formalhaut]

New funniest gif.

[Shlup]

I agree with BoB for once--saying how great things are about to be is overhyping things. Of course, it's also irritating to hear people whine that the episodes are slow when we know every season so far has built up to a climactic last two episodes. That's just the formula... but readers still need to not overhype things. Nothings going to beat all that wildfire anyway!

[Bunny]

I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THAT THING HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE THAT IS TOTALLY AMAZING AND THE BEST THING EVER WRITTEN.

The episode was good, but not as good as some of the other episodes. I imagine there will be a Blackwater-esque episode this season, probably the 9th episode again and that will be the formula for the next few seasons as well. Whatever happens, it should prove to be entertaining at least. I take comfort in the fact that, even in the more boring episodes, they are well written and acted.

[Jinx]

I, too, cannot wait until Tyrion gets Sansa pregnant, and she gives birth to the Prince Who Was Promised.

Oops, spoilers. :shobon:

[Agent Proto]

You're just doing that on purpose.

[Jinx]

And then the part where Thoros re-animates Jaime's hand, and it goes around the Seven Kingdoms fighting for the Lannisters, while Jaime and Brienne get married and have a daughter named Sapphire.

[Agent Proto]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/8d9730ed8453eb6e87d96a8db019be86/tumblr_mmt7lsflHi1so52cno1_400.gif

[Jinx]

Agent Proto's new name is now Jeffrey Baratheon.

[Rac23heal]

I know that Blackbelts deals more damage overall but the fleeing powhttp://meron.gcapc.com/6.jpghttp://meron.gcapc.com/7.jpghttp://meron.gcapc.com/8.jpghttp://meron.gcapc.com/9.jpg

er is just way too good.

[Rantz]

Totally agree about the Blackbelts.

[Jinx]

They are not Blackbelts, they are Men of the Night's Watch. :colbert:

[Pheesh]

I keep hearing from non book readers "what's the point of this" "why are they showing that" and it bothers me because a lot of what they are showing ends up setting up awesome climaxes in archs. It's like, calm down and let the tension build. Thats the perk of this series everything builds up for awesome. it built up to neds demise, danys dragons and Jon's wights in season one. it built up to house of the undying, blackwater and the nights watch facing an army of sights in season two. The same thing is happening this season! Just enjoy the build up people!

The finale of every drama TV series is always more epic and exciting. Just because this is building to something doesn't mean that it makes every episode any less boring. In the first two seasons I never had any feeling that nothing was happening like I have several times this season. Each episode should be able to hold up as a self contained story imo.

[Jinx]

I think every season is allowed 2-3 slower, filler episodes. Unfortunately, with a 10-episode-a-season set up, GoT is really pushing it with any more than 2 episodes that are connector episodes.

Sadly, a majority of the this season has been filler.

[Pike]

w/e guys I've really enjoyed this season so far

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, I haven't read the books and I'm really enjoying the storyline, too. I respect the need for people to get from one place to another so something can happen. It would be a bit ridiculous if every episode was climatic.

[Agent Proto]

TB is really the only one to be complaining about the current season as far as I'm seeing. Then again, so are many more, but it's good that not most of us aren't complaining too much about the speed this season is going. I've been enjoying the season so far, even if it's been deviating from the book quite a bit recently.

[Madame Adequate]

I have absolutely no idea what you people are talking about, the only criticism I've had of this season so far is that the episodes are too short and there aren't enough of them. Absolutely every single scene is packed and they're clearly struggling to find room for everyone. Just because all the book readers are super excited for the Red Wedding where Melisandre and Gendry marry (that's not really what happens don't worry show-only peeps) doesn't make this build-up time less good or anything, if they just skipped to episode 9 it would be a shit show because, you know, context and characterization and setting are important.

Also all I've heard about the books is that after like the first two GRRM forgot how to move a plot forward so :monster:

[blackmage_nuke]

I am also of the opinion that the series pacing has been wonderful.
The show isnt just about the things that happen, it's equally about the people involved in them and each scene brings a little more colour to each character. I think the reason book readers might find this somewhat offputting is that each character has already been fully coloured in in thier eyes.

[Pike]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/ec55ce398b48851077ca9b27fe61ca0a/tumblr_mmt0ijxUHZ1qzx54ao1_400.gif

[Cuchulainn]

To be fair there's only been one or 2 people here moaning about this season. No matter how good something is, there will always be at least ONE person yapping. It's humans man, we're all morons.

[Freya]

I keep hearing "why was that scene there its not important" then i roll around cause its very important and the know nothing jon snuhhhhhs

[Del Murder]

Hopefully there are no more Theon torture scenes. Once you cut a man's junk off there's not much left you can do to him, right? Those were the worst part of the last two episodes.

[Jinx]

To be fair there's only been one or 2 people here moaning about this season. No matter how good something is, there will always be at least ONE person yapping. It's humans man, we're all morons.

This season hasn't been deliciously good, okay.

Maybe in our little corner of the internet, but if you guys go to different sites, I'm not the only one out there saying it's bad.

I'm not saying anyone has to hate the show. If people enjoy it, by all means, I'm happy for you. I just think Game of Thrones, in general, is one of those shows that gets lack of criticism because of its cult-following. It can do no wrong in most people's eyes. And if you're enjoying this season, good for you. Just don't sit there and say I'm stupid, crazy, or wrong, when this is just my opinion.

EDIT: Hux, I actually agree with you that there needs to be more episodes (although I get that you were saying there needs to be more because you think this show is perfect.) But, I think if they added in 3 more episodes a season, they'd be able to tell the story much more efficiently. Honestly, I'm not sure why they don't do 13-episode seasons.

[chionos]

To be fair there's only been one or 2 people here moaning about this season. No matter how good something is, there will always be at least ONE person yapping. It's humans man, we're all morons.

This season hasn't been deliciously good, okay.

Maybe in our little corner of the internet, but if you guys go to different sites, I'm not the only one out there saying it's bad.

I'm not saying anyone has to hate the show. If people enjoy it, by all means, I'm happy for you. I just think Game of Thrones, in general, is one of those shows that gets lack of criticism because of its cult-following. It can do no wrong in most people's eyes. And if you're enjoying this season, good for you. Just don't sit there and say I'm stupid, crazy, or wrong, when this is just my opinion.

EDIT: Hux, I actually agree with you that there needs to be more episodes (although I get that you were saying there needs to be more because you think this show is perfect.) But, I think if they added in 3 more episodes a season, they'd be able to tell the story much more efficiently. Honestly, I'm not sure why they don't do 13-episode seasons.

I've wondered a time or two why they don't stretch the season out, but the problem we would run up against in that scenario is the disproportion of some stories to others. I mean, we already see evidence of them dragging out Bran's story just to give him screen time. A longer season would open up some cramped storylines, but it would also stretch some others way too thin.

[Madame Adequate]

Hopefully there are no more Theon torture scenes. Once you cut a man's junk off there's not much left you can do to him, right? Those were the worst part of the last two episodes.

I was very disappointed there was no flaying this episode, and I hope we get back on form with that from now on.

[chionos]

Hopefully there are no more Theon torture scenes. Once you cut a man's junk off there's not much left you can do to him, right? Those were the worst part of the last two episodes.

I was very disappointed there was no flaying this episode, and I hope we get back on form with that from now on.

Seriously, for a brief moment I wondered if they would actually go through with showing Theon's penis being removed on-screen. I was somewhat surprised they didn't.

[Formalhaut]

No, even that wouldn't get past the censors.

[Cuchulainn]

You do know that books are quite graphic too right? Full of sex, violence and sick sick acts.

I know the TV show shows different violent acts at times but everyone needs to quit moaning about it and acting like it's all a severe deviation from the souce material. The only deviations I worry about are some plot-lines. If they stuck to the original plot I don't really care how much tits, cock & vagina they show along the way.

[Formalhaut]

I'm not against violence, as long as it's done well.

I didn't mind the Theon torture porn sequences for about the first half of this season, but it get a point where nothing new is being added. I want violence for a purpose, not violence for the sake of adding in a few minutes of "ARGHHHH GAAA STOP!".

We're not learning anything new about the mystery torturer. We get that he's a sick, twisted bastard. This episode (and arguably The Climb as well) adds nothing new. No, revelation or more information.

It's almost as if they have a quota of violence, and if it's not checked, then they slip in some Theon torture porn. I understand that these are violent, dangerous times, but I don't need to be reminded of that every damn episode. At the very least, space it out slightly!

[Del Murder]

But every scene happens for a reason, Formal. There's a big moment coming up where a major plotline with dire consequences for the characters revolves around Theon not having a penis.

:eep:

[Rantz]

Theon = Varys???

[Jinx]

Well, I bet they have a lot to talk about now.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I've quite enjoyed this season. I don't have any major gripes other than I think they could tone down the Theon torture and I kind of expected the bear pit scene to be a little more exciting. Good trout overall.

And I've read the books, because apparently that matters.

[Bunny]

The torture scenes were incredibly tame compared to what I imagined they would be. Remember, folks, the torture is intended to make Theon an empty shell and completely broken man. As far as I'm concerned, it hasn't gone far enough to come close to that.

[Shlup]

As long as the story is progressing, I'm happy. Slow just means more detail as far as I'm concerned. The thing I hate is when shows set up the plot for the season at the beginning, then just do a bunch of episodic crap until the season finale. Bums me out.

While I really could do without the Theon scenes, the horn blowing does amuse me.

[blackmage_nuke]

Also in the last epuside for a half second I expected Hodor not to say Hodor

[Loony BoB]

I think it was neccessary to show the latest Theon scene because it pushes it to the point that I actually felt sorry for him. For a guy, knowing that has happened to a character makes you feel sick to the stomach, regardless of who it is, just because of the act itself. It's sort of (not completely, before someone flips their shit) like when Jaime got his hand cut off. Very bad things happening to bad people somehow makes you pity them, and while the previous torture scenes didn't make me pity him (he killed a wonderful old man and allegedly killed children, too), this one did.

[Pike]

I started feeling sorry for Theon a long time ago. Even despite all his asshattery earlier in the show. Guess I'm just that nice, even to fictional characters.

[Psychotic]

Bran-Window incident aside, Jaime is not a bad person at all! I guess the window thing was to show he is very impulsive, but given what we see of him in the TV show and the books, to me it's just so out of character for him to do that.

[Pike]

I am liking Jaime more and more as the show goes on. He is going from being one of my least favorite characters to one of my most favorite. :love:

Jaime and Brienne are my BFF OTP, I want them to go to Dairy Queen together and bro out <3

[Lonely Paper Star]

I..

I've been waiting for this gif set.

NSFW B/C BUTTS (http://emilianadarling.tumblr.com/post/50504408158/when-you-play-the-game-of-butts-cheek-is-better)

[Quindiana Jones]

I always saw the Bran-Window incident as Jaime put it; "The things I do for love." Despite their dickheadery, Jaime and Cersei are completely and utterly in love with each other, and if Bran started chatting about what he saw, then their relationship would end. Sad times for the incestuous narcissists.

[Pheesh]

I..

I've been waiting for this gif set.

NSFW B/C BUTTS (http://emilianadarling.tumblr.com/post/50504408158/when-you-play-the-game-of-butts-cheek-is-better)

Melisandre's butt jiggle is hypnotic @_@

[Shlup]

Needs more butts. I want to see the complete collection.

[Iceglow]

I always saw the Bran-Window incident as Jaime put it; "The things I do for love." Despite their dickheadery, Jaime and Cersei are completely and utterly in love with each other, and if Bran started chatting about what he saw, then their relationship would end. Sad times for the incestuous narcissists.

If by end you mean Robert would have had Jaime's head on spike and likely have discovered that his children by Cersei were in fact Jaime's meaning the 3 children and Cersei too could end up dead or disinherited? Yes it would. Jaime was sleeping with the Queen, ignoring that he is her brother it's bloody high treason to do so and whilst Robert is a bad king, he is the king and that much of an insult to him could never be ignored.

It is out of character so to speak yet it is also very much in character. All the Lannisters from Tywin down to Joffrey and Lancel are strongly after self preservation, they will do almost anything to survive. With Jaime and Cersei in love with one another (something very underplayed in the show, in the books you actually hear about how Jaime would kill/maim any suitors or lovers Cersei had and only backed in to the shadows when it was Robert and only because he was king) his actions are preserving himself and his family which is perhaps the strongest thing that the Lannisters cling to, even more so than all the gold of Casterly Rock.

As the books progress and certainly around the point that the show is up to Tyrion and Jaime in particular become quite aware of how despicable their family can be, Tyrion with the wedding to Sansa and the mistreatment of Sansa by Joff (though he is still ultimately out for himself at this point and will be for quite some time only once Tywin is dead and he's off in the free cities does this change) and Jaime with the loss of his sword hand and his experiences with Brienne It's never fully confirmed in an outright way in the books published up until now but it is quite apparent that Jaime is falling in love with Brienne, this starts around the point the show is at with Jaime often dreaming of Brienne naked or in the dress Roose Bolton made her wear. It becomes more obvious upon their return to Kings Landing where Jaime begins to shun Cersei, refusing her sexual advances and in effect telling her to get on with it in regards to Tywin's plan to marry her off. Brienne understands Jaime better than anyone, Tyrion included (In the books Jaime and Tyrion have a good understanding and are particularly close) she understands how much pain the distrust and hatred the killing of Aerys caused him given the fact that it saved half a million lives. Add in to this that she's not the typical maid who faints at the sight of blood but a skilled sword fighter, perhaps even as skilled as Jaime himself (bear in mind, she defeated Loras Tyrell who is one of the finest knights in the seven kingdoms in single combat often ranked as second only to Jaime) and Jaime feels inexcusably drawn to her.

[mandijames]

What the crap are you talking about? He said his name how it should be pronounced.

[Iceglow]

What the crap are you talking about? He said his name how it should be pronounced.

I'm more left wondering what the hell you're talking about... nothing in the previous 2 - 5 pages has any confusion over a name.

On topic though, the torture of Theon is very important. If you want a book spoiler then: The torturer is Roose Bolton's bastard and the torture mostly takes place at the Dread Fort. Roose Bolton's bastard breaks Theon down and turns him in to a being less of a man he calls Reek. You're meant to pity Theon at this stage because the creature Reek much like Tolkein's character of Gollum is a pitiful creature.

[Pike]

It's a particularly confused bot. I'll go ban it now.

[Loony BoB]

Bran-Window incident aside, Jaime is not a bad person at all! I guess the window thing was to show he is very impulsive, but given what we see of him in the TV show and the books, to me it's just so out of character for him to do that.
Pretty sure he also killed (or ordered men to kill) all of Stark's men outside Littlefinger's whorehouse or something. I don't even remember why now.

Poor Jory. :(

[Pheesh]

What the crap are you talking about? He said his name how it should be pronounced.

I'm more left wondering what the hell you're talking about... nothing in the previous 2 - 5 pages has any confusion over a name.

On topic though, the torture of Theon is very important. If you want a book spoiler then: The torturer is Roose Bolton's bastard and the torture mostly takes place at the Dread Fort. Roose Bolton's bastard breaks Theon down and turns him in to a being less of a man he calls Reek. You're meant to pity Theon at this stage because the creature Reek much like Tolkein's character of Gollum is a pitiful creature.

I find myself desperately hoping that you actually went through and read the last 5 pages to check xD

[Madame Adequate]

Bran-Window incident aside, Jaime is not a bad person at all! I guess the window thing was to show he is very impulsive, but given what we see of him in the TV show and the books, to me it's just so out of character for him to do that.
Pretty sure he also killed (or ordered men to kill) all of Stark's men outside Littlefinger's whorehouse or something. I don't even remember why now.

Poor Jory. :(

So he could kill or arrest Ned without trouble?

[Iceglow]

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[Jinx]

Bran-Window incident aside, Jaime is not a bad person at all! I guess the window thing was to show he is very impulsive, but given what we see of him in the TV show and the books, to me it's just so out of character for him to do that.
Pretty sure he also killed (or ordered men to kill) all of Stark's men outside Littlefinger's whorehouse or something. I don't even remember why now.

Poor Jory. :(

So he could kill or arrest Ned without trouble?

Right. Hadn't he already threatened her to go to Robert at this point? And he gave them all the chance to escape, so Jaime locked that shit down.

So, in a way, you could say he also did that for love.

[Loony BoB]

Doesn't make him the good guy in my books! Killing three men to cover up your love scandal doesn't make you anything good, that's for certain. Since the first few experiences of Jaime were him smurfing his sister, helping fool the world to get let a false (and, let's face it, rather evil) king sit on the throne, attempted murder of a young child, killing noble men... well, yeah, I'd say he was pretty much a bad guy.

Personally, I liked him better that way because he was fantastic at being a dick. What's the 'bad' version of an anti-hero? An anti-villain?

[Formalhaut]

To put it simply, Jaime made a face turn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(professional_wrestling)).

[Quindiana Jones]

I'd say Jaime is a bit of both, to be honest.

[Jinx]

That's the beauty of the characters in ASoIaF. No character is wholly good or wholly evil. Some lean more ways than others, but they're all grey. And even if a character is mostly evil, and you don't like them, there's usually one or two things that make you sympathetic towards that character.

[Quindiana Jones]

I reject your argument and counter with my own: Gregor Clegane is 100% bastard, with nary a sliver of grey.

[Del Murder]

To put it simply, Jaime made a face turn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(professional_wrestling)).
Ahaha, that's exactly it.

[Iceglow]

The Mountain That Rides has no redeeming points as do very few members of House Frey (show people will understand soon enough) and Vargo Hoat. You could argue that there is no "Good Guy" excepting Ned Stark and Jon Snow in a the entire world of Westeros, even then though Jon and Ned have skeletons in their closets.

[Jinx]

I'm not much of a Jon Snow fan, but I do agree with you that he's probably the only character in Westeros right now who is Mostly Good.

[Madame Adequate]

Oh how soon we forget.

Hot Pie. :aimcry:

[Psychotic]

The Mountain That Rides has no redeeming points as do very few members of House Frey (show people will understand soon enough) and Vargo Hoat. You could argue that there is no "Good Guy" excepting Ned Stark and Jon Snow in a the entire world of Westeros, even then though Jon and Ned have skeletons in their closets.BOOK SPOILS. One more utterly pure evil fucker: Ramsay Bolton

In fact, more fucking evil Cersei. I don't give a fuck. She is. You can say "ruhhhh she just wants to stop the prophecy and rule and beat her father" etc but let me tell you what, the whole Qyburn fucking thing is absolutely vile. Falyse. God damn.

[Bunny]

Bran-Window incident aside, Jaime is not a bad person at all! I guess the window thing was to show he is very impulsive, but given what we see of him in the TV show and the books, to me it's just so out of character for him to do that.
Pretty sure he also killed (or ordered men to kill) all of Stark's men outside Littlefinger's whorehouse or something. I don't even remember why now.

Poor Jory. :(

So he could kill or arrest Ned without trouble?

Jaime attacked Ned because Catelyn had Tyrion, who he cares a great deal for. I don't think the point was any deeper beyond that and definitely not about arresting or killing Ned. Jaime isn't the best example of a political mastermind, so preventing Ned from going to Robert probably hadn't even crossed his mind (if he was even aware of it at that point, I can't remember much about book 1 specifics).

There are plenty of wholly evil characters in the world of ASoIaF without any redeeming qualities. I would say that Littlefinger is one of the most evil people in Westeros, considering he is 100% in it for himself.

[Bolivar]

Loved the use of house themes in this episode,with the royal theme when Robert came to Winterfell being played when Gendry is told he's a royal bastard. The Raines of Castamere when Jaime tells Locke he's sry about his sapphires? Damn. Corleone-esque. Also, Margaery's talk with Sansa is actually a pretty huge deal for something that happens down the line that was a big mystery for book readers is she maiden or not. They also settled something else that the books don't come outright and say, that yep, Theon lost his cock. I don't mind the torture so much as it waters down Theon's arch, as in the books he doesn't just get pity thrown at him for free because he loses his cock. he actually has to earn it, along with his identity, in what is one of the most cherished character arcs in the series. I also dislike how this show wants to be edgy with sexuality and violence, but they're too timid to show what Ramsay actually does with women.

Still, this season's been a major step up in my eyes with some really fantastic character interactions and drama, and none of the bad, boring, or cringe-worthy of season 2 (well, almost none of it).

[Freya]

http://i.minus.com/icwORVVQhzwXl.gif

:gator:

[Del Murder]

That was a really good episode, though the random bit with Samwell at the end really messed with the pacing. I didn't think they'd actually go through with the wedding!

[blackmage_nuke]

GARRRGH PICK UP THE SPEARHEAD SAMWELL

[Freya]

The worst part of this episode was the next time telling me that I wont have a new episode for two weeks. :mad2:

[Del Murder]

GARRRGH PICK UP THE SPEARHEAD SAMWELL
Haha, yeah seriously. He's so dumb.

[Aulayna]

I'd have Gendry's babies.

With that I'm back to watching the episode.

[Del Murder]

Hope you ladies liked that glimpse of penis root action you got in that episode.

[McLovin']

http://i.imgur.com/9LyPWcr.gif

The end could have been way more epic. CANNOT WAIT FOR EPISODE 9.

[Rantz]

Hope you ladies liked that glimpse of penis root action you got in that episode.

Meanwhile, 500 boobs.

[Miriel]

Grandma Tyrell is officially my favorite! I LOVE her!! <3

[Shauna]

Grandma Tyrell is officially my favorite! I LOVE her!! <3

She was particularly great in the short scene she had in this week's episode. xD

[Pike]

I FEEL SORRY FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE EPISODE except Joffrey who can just go die in a fire already

edit: and Melisandre, she can go fuck off too

[Madame Adequate]

No Theon torture 0/10 would not watch again

That wasn't the strongest episode this season but it was still pretty great. Sam is so getting laid :jokey: But I think Paul's right about the pacing, though I think it's more that the episode as a whole had some pacing issues than the Sam part specifically, because aside from the short scene with the Hound and Arya the whole thing just switched between Gendry, Dany, and Tyrion and Sansa's wedding. It was a very narrow focus and I'm not sure in this case it was the best use of the show's time - I could have stood to see Jon and Ygritte, Jaime and Brienne, Robb's group, whatever Baelish is up to currently, Bran's group. I reckon they could have cut out some of the scenes of Cersei being a :bou::bou::bou::bou: and stuff though, and given us some time with other characters, even fairly brief scenes.

[Jinx]

Sam is so getting laid :jokey: I definitely thought you were talking about me.

[McLovin']

The best: https://vine.co/v/bEVQmInUHhF

[NorthernChaosGod]

I AM THE GOD OF TITS AND WINE.

[Cuchulainn]

I still want Brown Ben Plumm :(