Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Jinx]

Personally, I think Shireen is a little :bou::bou::bou::bou:. Who gives someone a book of TARGARYEN NAMES as the book they learn to read with!!!!

[Cuchulainn]

Do you like anything?

[Jinx]

It's called a fucking joke, Gareth. You claim to have such a sense of humor, so why don't you try exercising it?

In fact, I watched the last two episodes last night, and thought that they had both improved in quality. Even Emilia's acting was better.

Also, that Gendry/Mel foreplay scene was super hot. Until the leeches. Buuuut.

That being said, can someone explain to me how the men in Westeros who are so sexually aroused all seem to have completely flaccid penises?

[Pike]

~Movie magic~

[Madame Adequate]

TB, Cuch, let's tone down the hostility and keep the thread civil guys! Not a warning, just a friendly word of advice. - :save:MILF:save:


Also, that Gendry/Mel foreplay scene was super hot. Until the leeches. Buuuut.

Ahahaha me and Pike were both like "Oh yeah this is pretty hot right here" especially when she tied up him but then :stare: Mel pls with the leeches.

[Jinx]

Yeah, Gendry was really getting into it! I had to fan myself.

Until she got off of him and he had a completely flaccid penis. :stare:

[Madame Adequate]

Hey now we only saw root, not stem.

[Jinx]

GoT needs more erect penis, imho.

[Formalhaut]

Who gives someone a book of TARGARYEN NAMES as the book they learn to read with!!!!

I know, she could have at least started with The Gruffalo and work the skill level up.

[Jinx]

Who gives someone a book of TARGARYEN NAMES as the book they learn to read with!!!!

I know, she could have at least started with The Gruffalo and work the skill level up.

Davos was so adorable when he finished reading the sentence, though. He was so proud of himself. I really wanted to just kiss his cheek then, the dear.

[Formalhaut]

Who gives someone a book of TARGARYEN NAMES as the book they learn to read with!!!!

I know, she could have at least started with The Gruffalo and work the skill level up.

Davos was so adorable when he finished reading the sentence, though. He was so proud of himself. I really wanted to just kiss his cheek then, the dear.

While Shireen did through him in the deep end in terms of literature, I loved that scene. I just adore Davos!

[Cuchulainn]

TB, Cuch, let's tone down the hostility and keep the thread civil guys! Not a warning, just a friendly word of advice. - :save:MILF:save:.

At which point was I hostile?

[Madame Adequate]

I'm not particularly interested in picking apart who meant what when they said stuff and what was a joke and what wasn't. I said knock it off and Sam's done just that. Kindly do the same.

[Psychotic]

If Gendry looked like Sam, would he be anywhere near as popular? :greenie:

Either way, that's some heavy sorcerer trout that Melisandre and Stannis cooked up. Poor old Balon's not really done anything for yonks (or even appeared this season) yet Stannis is making leech voodoo dolls of him all the same.

Also, Tyrion is still an unrelenting badman. "If my father wants someone to get smurfed, I know where he can start". Brilliant. Cersei's acid tongue was rather fun too, as was Olenna Tyrell.

Poor Sansa. She's not really had a good year or so, has she?

[Formalhaut]

I think it's the first time we've seen Tyrion cold ass drunk. We've seen him drink before sure, but it's the first time he's really been stumbling and slurring and whatever.

[Jinx]

If Gendry looked like Sam, would he be anywhere near as popular?

Um, ouch.

[Psychotic]

Oh, I meant Samwell Tarly. If he looked like you then he'd probably be less popular than Joffrey.

[Jinx]

:doublecolbert:

[Psychotic]

You got off lightly. If you made the same joke twice in the presence of King Stannis he'd cut your fingers off!

[Jinx]

I wasn't making a joke!

[chionos]

Cersei's acid tongue was rather fun too

It just seemed sad to me. I was kind of surprised to see Margaery react as she did. Cersei's threats seem empty, this season has stripped her power show by show, at least ostensibly.

[Shlup]

If Gendry looked like Sam, would he be anywhere near as popular? :greenie:

No. Why would he be? He's eye candy.

[Madame Adequate]

Gendry is eye candy but I don't know if anyone in this show is as sexy as Jaime :drool:

[Pike]

Gendry is eye candy but I don't know if anyone in this show is as sexy as Jaime :drool:

Tyrion is.

[Shlup]

I think Tyrion and Jaime are tied. Though that dream I had about Peter Dinklage does move him up several notches.

[Del Murder]

I bet he moved up several of your notches as well. :jokey:

[Roogle]

Gendry and Melisandre are my favorite characters in terms of visual appeal. It was interesting to see them in the same scenes. It was a good move by the writers, as in the original book series, these two characters never meet.

[Lonely Paper Star]

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Sorry, but I love gif sets.

[Psychotic]

I just finished re-reading all the books. I think I have a new favourite house, one that I had kind of overlooked as being a side issue! (bookspoils, obviously)

Greyjoy! Euron was originally the star of the show for me, with his crow's eye, Dragon horn, Silence, blue lips, going to Asshai etc. A random raider becoming something else. Asha (or Yara I guess now!) I have fallen for. She is one hell of a funny and carefree woman.

Victarion has become my absolute favourite of them though. I always kind of viewed him as Euron's bitch, whining and complaining about he always gets to have his own way, but re-reading it, he fully grows into Death, Destroyer of Worlds as the book goes on. The man is a gigantic smurfing death warrior. He burned off half his hand and now he, too, is on Team R'hllor (The Best Team). He sort of reminds me of Stannis with his "no nonsense, smurf you" approach, and I can't wait for him to rock up in Meereen and crush some skulls.

My favourite bit was when he captured the whore boat. "The perfumed boys he wrapped in chains and threw into the sea. They were unnatural creatures, and the ship smelled better once cleaned of their presence". What the smurf, Victarion? That is so harsh :lol: I just imagined him taking one look and saying "Nope. smurf that." What a nutter.

I also really like poor old Jon Snow. Ygritte couldn't make him leave his vows forever. The promise of having everything he had ever wanted from Stannis and becoming Jon Stark couldn't do it either. Then Ramsay has Arya and sends that letter. He immediately refers to him as Ramsay Snow, which is a touch that I loved, and then raising his army was brilliant. "We are coming for you, bastard." Jon you smurfing hero. Alas.

[Pike]

In lieu of a new episode this week, have this:

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[Raistlin]

I didn't realize Jojee (http://home.eyesonff.com/members/690.html) was in Game of Thrones...

[Psychotic]

I didn't realize Jojee (http://home.eyesonff.com/members/690.html) was in Game of Thrones...Uhhh yeah dude, he's Meera's brother. You know, that guy who hooked up with Bran's party?

[Loony BoB]

Whur muh boats at? Whur muh dragns at?

Stupid week off. :(

[Rantz]

It's like my life is on hold for this week.

[Shauna]

I don't even know what day it is anymore.

[Formalhaut]

Whur muh boats at? Whur muh dragns at?

Stupid week off. :(

Whur muh episode at? Whur muh episode at?

[Raistlin]

I definitely missed GoT over the weekend. A true memorial period.

[Madame Adequate]

I'm pretty sure soldiers were out there dying precisely so we could sit around on our fat asses watching great TV.

[Pike]

AND YET WE DIDN'T EVEN GET TO WATCH TV

their deaths were in vain :cry:

[Del Murder]

I watched AD don't know about y'all.

[Jinx]

I watched AD don't know about y'all.

[The Man]

I watched AD don't know about y'all.

Also Fringe.

[Shlup]

I feel like time has slowed down significantly. Then again, there's only two episodes left so I choose to consider the week off a favor.

[Pike]

there's only two episodes left

WHAT??

:(

[Cuchulainn]

George confirmed in an interview this week they're casting for Mace Tyrell, Magnar Of Thenn and Oberyn Fucking Martell for S4.

I can't be happier.

[Jinx]

MARTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

dornedornedornedornedorne

[Agent Proto]

Whoa there lady, calm your horses down. Ain't no time for all this fangirling over the announcement of a Martell. :p

[Jinx]

suck my sunspear, jeffrey <3 <3 <3

[The Man]

Whoa there lady, calm your horses down. Ain't no time for all this fangirling over the announcement of a Martell. :PThere is when it's the smurfing Red Viper.

[Agent Proto]

I'm waiting for Arianne's casting. :D

[Rantz]

Isn't it a bit late to cast the Magnar? Did he and Tormund switch roles?

Oberyn Martell, fuck yeah.

[Lonely Paper Star]

I love me some House Martell. <3

[Agent Proto]

More screenshots of that fake Game of Thrones fighter game!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/bf035f9fb774ad28b7d3744c911764e8/tumblr_mnocdwb69n1soatn2o2_1280.jpg

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[The Man]

This obviously needs to be a real game.

[Pike]

I want a GoT-themed ARPG along the lines of Torchlight/Diablo. It'll star Tyrion and Bronn and be a two-player co-op.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I really want that to be a real fighting game.

[Psychotic]

For me, Skyrim is basically a Beyond-the-Wall simulator. Mammoths, giants and snow everywhere. Plus I guess there's Dragons if you want to be a bit Targaryen about it.

I think a mix of that and New Vegas (ie the decisions you make actually count for a sausage, choosing to help factions etc. with good writing to boot) would be an ideal ASoIaF game.

[Cuchulainn]

Isn't it a bit late to cast the Magnar? Did he and Tormund switch roles?

Oberyn Martell, smurf yeah.

I can obnly imagine they're merging him with his son & he will be replacing Tormond obviously as Mances aide-de-camp as they've decided to make Tormund go over the wall.

[Pike]

I just stumbled across a BIG FAT SPOILER for the next episode and I don't know how to react.

WWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Agent Proto]

And this why I (and perhaps many more) read the books before watching the show. :D

[Del Murder]

And this why I (and perhaps many more) read the books before watching the show. :D
Yes, that is why people read these books. Because they figured one day there would be a show about this series and they didn't want to stumble upon spoilers on the internet.

[Agent Proto]

Well, it's primarily one of the reasons, but I started reading last year around the same time I also started watching the show. I knew the two are vastly different, so I read as I watched, to see the differences between the two.

Besides, who's to say that it will go exactly like it does on the book for the following episode?

[Psychotic]

I read the books after the end of the first season because, damnit, I had to know what happened next!

[Faris]

And this why I (and perhaps many more) read the books before watching the show. :D
Yes, that is why people read these books. Because they figured one day there would be a show about this series and they didn't want to stumble upon spoilers on the internet.

Oops, I'm doing it the wrong way :(

[Cuchulainn]

I bought the books before the TV show but never read them until after season 1. Like the Scouse Lick there I couldnt wait to see happened next.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Same here. I decided to read them after I marathoned through GoT for the first time because I couldn't wait so many months to find out what happened next. Not being affected by internet spoilers was more of a bonus. XD

But also, the showrunners are starting to take different directions from the books with certain characters, so... sometimes I still don't know.

[Pike]

This show is really tempting me to read the books.

[NorthernChaosGod]

This show is really tempting me to read the books.

You should.

[Freya]

Tumblr provided me with some luls but it's in reference to tonight's upcoming episode so don't

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[Bolivar]

I think it was about Episode 5 when I realized I really couldn't wait a week to find out what happens, and ripped through the 800 or so pages of AGoT in about a weekend..

[Freya]

Bahahahaa boyfriend is swearing off game of thrones now after that episode!

[Agent Proto]

If there's one thing this episode managed to do, it dispelled that myth of Talisa being a Lannister spy.

[Denmark]

I'm glad I DIDN'T know what was going to happen. I do need to read the books though.

[Lonely Paper Star]

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[Freya]

http://i.imgur.com/WvKRLuw.jpg

[McLovin']

Holy BALLS. As a non book reader and being high as smurf I am in Ned-Shock. AND THE DOG, TOO, SEVEN GODS!

What's the Westeros story now though? Jon and Brain are up north, Dany to the east and only Arya is still in Westeros and I dont give a smurf about Sansa. WHO IS THE NEW GOOD GUY!? Who should I put my precious faith in (temporarily APPARENTLY GODDAMN IT)?

[Agent Proto]

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[Del Murder]

That episode was sad. :( There keeps being less people to root for. Is anyone even still alive in A Dance with Dragons?

[edczxcvbnm]

Okay.....Alright then...Clearly what we need is Jaqen to come on in and lay down some magical shenanigans! I feel as though there is a huge void in Westros. Who will fill this power vacuum? What a clusterfuck this has turned out to be. And here I was prepping for a Castley Rock showdown :/

[Necronopticous]

Is anyone even still alive in A Dance with Dragons?My buddy once joked that the final book in the series would have to be from the point of view of the trees and rocks since there would be no one left.

Anyway, tonight's episode was great but I unfortunately went into it knowing that some super crazy game changing thing was going to happen so while I didn't know exactly what to expect, I wasn't exactly all that shocked either. Jaime's behanding was still the craziest and most utterly unexpected thing this season as far as I'm concerned.

[The Man]

There definitely still are characters to root for in Feast and Dance. For one thing, a number of new characters are introduced (including at least one whose existence has been vaguely alluded to already, although most of these hints have been extremely vague up to this point in the series and you're not actually supposed to think this character exists yet), and many of these turn out to be supreme badasses. For another, plenty of other existing characters either take a level in badass or manage to become significantly less terrible human beings. But, yeah, lots of people die too.

[Marshall Banana]

Episode 9 was awesome.

[Pheesh]

This fuckin' show...

[NorthernChaosGod]

Knowing that was going to happen didn't make it hurt any less. :(

[Psychotic]

What's the Westeros story now though? Jon and Brain are up north, Dany to the east and only Arya is still in Westeros and I dont give a smurf about Sansa. WHO IS THE NEW GOOD GUY!? Who should I put my precious faith in (temporarily APPARENTLY GODDAMN IT)?
There keeps being less people to root for. Well I tried to tell you about King Stannis and Team Rh'llor but you wouldn't listen. He'll still have you, but he'll probably take the tips from a couple of your fingers.

Not been home to watch the episode yet, can't wait!

[Shlup]

Okay, I get why they made Talisa just for the show now--they were like "Ahaha, you book readers think you're prepard for the Red Wedding? How about some baby stabbing, huh?? Muahaha!" Brutal.



And this why I (and perhaps many more) read the books before watching the show. :D
Yes, that is why people read these books. Because they figured one day there would be a show about this series and they didn't want to stumble upon spoilers on the internet.
True. I started reading after Ned's death was spoiled for me. Though when I read it it seemed so ridiculous I assumed the guy was joking.


Knowing that was going to happen didn't make it hurt any less. :(
Seriously. My stomach was in knots the whole time.

[The Man]

I'm pretty sure Del was being sarcastic, but there are worse reasons to read the series than to avert the potential of being spoiled. This way you won't run across the spoilers about how Snape kills *insert character here*.

[Miriel]

That was just smurfing tragic. I can't even.

I wasn't spoiled so it was just like WHAT DA FUCK, the whole time.

[Jinx]

I think I'm the only person who didn't feel emotional and Snape offing the Big Cheese.

[Ouch!]

I have been waiting for this day since HBO announced that they'd optioned the books.

https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears

Best Twitter account for reactions.

Edit: I suppose I should put a warning for people who haven't read the books in here. That account retweets some messages that do contain spoilers for next season as well, although not many.

[Quindiana Jones]

When I read the book, I was confident that something very bad was going to happen the moment Grey Wolf reacted poorly to one of the Freys. Expecting it didn't make it any less of a HOLY smurfING trout moment, though, and I can't wait to watch this episode because I know it will happen all over again.

[blackmage_nuke]

At least Arya doesnt have to marry anyone from the Freys now. Honestly, that was one of the biggest things I wasnt sure how would be resolved

Also I half expected some kind of horrible masacre because people kept calling it the "red" wedding even though those words are never uttered.

[Raistlin]

https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears

Hah, I love it. The people who are pissed off at HBO are the most amusing. These people do know the show heavily follows a book series, right? See:


Idk who the fuck on HBO approved the actions of tonight's Game of Thrones but they better have a reason for it.

sometimes I hate TV writers and their fucking god complexes! you can't just fuck with my emotions like that! Fuck YOU HBO and D.B Weiss

I actually kinda wish I hadn't read the books first, just so certain events like this one could be surprising. As is, I was tensed up throughout the entire wedding.

[Denmark]

I've seen multiple people ponder as to why they should keep watching after last night's episode. My response to each of them has just been "dragons"

[Araciel]

It just shows how good the stories are when people flip the fuck out if a main dies.

[Ouch!]

It just shows how good the stories are when people flip the smurf out if a main dies.

So much this. I had a friend complaining that this wasted two seasons worth of character development. That's not true, though. The character development served a purpose; the purpose just wasn't what people had hoped.

[Shaibana]

OOOH MY FREAKING SMUFING (add several insulting words) GOD!! D:
that last epi :'( im boycotting this show!!

this time they have gone TO far!! D: :(

*sits in a corner crying*

Perhaps a little too much for people who aren't caught up with the show yet. ~Shorty

[Freya]

I feel like I'm drinking the tears of all the show watchers. :3

[Del Murder]

Can someone just answer me yes or no: will the Stark's ever catch a break?

[Shaibana]

Can someone just answer me yes or no: will the Stark's ever catch a break?

ooh god.. i dont even want to know!!
No spoilers!!

im still shocked

[Psychotic]

Can someone just answer me yes or no: will the Stark's ever catch a break?Quick answer but I'll spoiler it in case. Not yet, no, but we're still two books away from the end. The last book was originally going to be titled "A Time for Wolves" though, so I guess it's implied. Rickon for King!

smurf yes what a beast of an episode. As soon as the Rains of Castamere started playing, oh man, huge feeling of dread in my stomach.

[Freya]

Can someone just answer me yes or no: will the Stark's ever catch a break?

http://i.imgur.com/hs5vNfe.gif

[Shaibana]

Can someone just answer me yes or no: will the Stark's ever catch a break?Quick answer but I'll spoiler it in case. Not yet, no, but we're still two books away from the end. The last book was originally going to be titled "A Time for Wolves" though, so I guess it's implied. Rickon for King!

smurf yes what a beast of an episode. As soon as the Rains of Castamere started playing, oh man, huge feeling of dread in my stomach.

just at the way catelyn started looking when that song got played.. i just knew something terrible would happen. .. if you have seen the epi, you can open this 'spoiler'

but can some1 explain what that song means? or what it represents?

[Slothy]

but can some1 explain what that song means? or what it represents?

I haven't read the books or anything, but according to the Wikipedia article for the episode the song is a Lannister victory song.

[Ouch!]

Martin has said many times in interviews that the series will end bittersweetly for the Starks.

But this is A Song of Ice and Fire. Nobody catches a break.

The Rains of Castamere was written about what Tywin Lannister did to House Reyne of Castamere. The Reynes were a banner-house to the Lannisters (a red lion on a golden field). They rebelled against Tytos Lannister (Tywin's father, who was perceived a weakling). Tywin led the Lannister armies against the Reynes. Tywin executed every member of House Reyne. The Lannisters have unofficially adopted the song as their own. The Lannisters always pay their debts, especially bloody ones.

[Psychotic]

just at the way catelyn started looking when that song got played.. i just knew something terrible would happen. .. if you have seen the epi, you can open this 'spoiler'

but can some1 explain what that song means? or what it represents?It's basically the Lannister theme song, or more specifically, it's Tywin Lannister's theme song.

Cersei mentioned it in the last episode, but House Reyne was the second wealthiest House in Westeros (so says the TV show anyway) and they were under House Lannister (similar to how House Bolton are under House Stark and House Frey are meant to be under House Tully!) and they decided they didn't quite fancy that. They launched a rebellion because they thought Tytos Lannister was a pussy. Which he was. Unfortunately, his son Tywin Lannister did not take too kindly to that. And now? Now there is no more House Reyne.

Castamere is their castle and the title of the song is a play on words - this once grand castle only has rains (instead of Reynes) to occupy it.

[Freya]

Cersei described it in the last episode.

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[Shaibana]

were already at the 3rd book if im right.. 1 season represents 1 book, or am i wrong?

[Agent Proto]

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[Shaibana]

Cersei described it in the last episode.

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aah ok, ty
i missed this becaus for once i wanted to watch it on tv.. and ofc at that day my sis and dad come home and jab throught the whole freacking epi.. when i have nu subs!!!

[Ouch!]

Season three is only the first half of book three, Shaibana.

[Freya]

Season 1 was Book one, A Game of Thrones
Season 2 was Book two, A Clash of Kings
Season 3 was Half of Book 3, A Storm of Swords
Season 4 will be the other half of 3 with some of Book 4, A feast for crows. And... well they all start blending together at this point.

[Shaibana]

thats verry nice and bad at the same time :P
GOOD that there will be a 100000 more epi's then!!
and BAD becaus if there are 10000 more epi's then they will problalbt all be dead at the end :l
p.s that is not a spoiler, its just a thought, not a fact... im about to start the 1st book so i know nothing :3

[Raistlin]

were already at the 3rd book if im right.. 1 season represents 1 book, or am i wrong?

Yes and no. For the most part, the first two seasons were the first two books, though some stuff from book 3 occurred in season 2. And book 3 is so big that it was roughly split between seasons 3 and 4, IIRC.

[Freya]

Man these reaction videos are the bessst (http://winteriscoming.net/2013/06/red-wedding-reactions-caught-on-tape/)

[Rantz]

Oh my god my heart. On edge throughout the whole episode. My soul was rent to pieces all over again.


https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears

I know this is mean but I can't stop laughing. It's like seeing the shock and grief I felt reading that part, except multiplied by however many show-not-book-people there are. And I love it. SORRY

[Psychotic]

TV show spoilers.

And I make that two dead kings thanks to Rh'llor! :) What, you think it's a coincidence that his happened the episode after Stannis got a leech with King's blood in it said "The Usurper, Robb Stark" and threw it into that fire? Hell naw. All false usurpers will soon learn that the night is dark and full of Stannis. :love:

[Del Murder]

No we didn't think that was a coincidence because we're not idiots. I suspect Greyjoy will get his next week. I only suspect this because I saw a glimpse of Theon's sister in the preview.

I'm very curious as to what will happen to the North now. Does Bolton want them for himself? Will Tywin try and grab it up by sending Tyrion and Sansa?

[Freya]

DON'T WORRY SAM THE WIZARD SLAYER WILL SAVE EVERYONE! :D

[Del Murder]

Martin has said many times in interviews that the series will end bittersweetly for the Starks.

But this is A Song of Ice and Fire. Nobody catches a break.
I don't know. Joffrey and Dany have been catching quite a few breaks lately. Does that mean they're the next to fall?

[Rantz]

I feel bad for the Bran/Rickon goodbye scene - that was a touching scene and it got a bit overshadowed. I was actually impressed with Rickon's acting.

These tweets are still cracking me up.

Mind blown House Stark now offically on endangoured species list now. Good luck knowing when winter is coming now SMDH!!!

I'm amazed at how many people are swearing off the show and even (claiming to be) cancelling their HBO subscriptions.

[Aulayna]

Just finished watching it.

http://12.img.v4.skyrock.net/3298/76513298/pics/3049680053_1_13_mfeVigFb.gif

Closely followed by

http://media.tumblr.com/db6dfee3bd88eccd6861cb68977ff0b6/tumblr_inline_mkskco1MMx1qz4rgp.gif

[Shaibana]

ooh men, i dont know what to think anymore!!
atm im curious about Greyjoy, he hasnt showed up since his manly parts was about to be cut off

[Ouch!]

Don't expect to see much of Theon. He actually isn't in the third book at all, and the torture that he's going through happens "off screen" as it were. They're merely filling in the gaps to keep the actor involved (the same way they did for Robb through season two even though he isn't in the second book). We'll have to wait a while yet before Theon starts appearing regularly again.

[Bunny]

I'm amazed at how many people are swearing off the show and even (claiming to be) cancelling their HBO subscriptions.

People said the same thing after Ned got his. The show still posts record numbers, no big loss there.

The episode wasn't nearly as epic as I imagined it would be, nor as incredible as it was written in the book, but it was still pretty damn good. Hopefully they do the bit where Grey Wind and Robb get reunited.

[Shaibana]

pls inform us when your spoiler has not yet happened in the tv show :O

[Bunny]

It's a smurfing spoiler.

Don't click on it. I'm not going to spoiler tag my spoiler tag.

[Shaibana]

yes but theres a difference between a Show spoiler and a book spoiler!!

[Bunny]

It's not my job to hold your hand.

Don't read spoilers if you don't want to get spoiled.

[Shaibana]

wouw :l

or you could just not be such a prick :S

[Psychotic]

Game of Thrones fans clearly can't see the bigger picture. Which is funny because none of the characters seem to either.

I mean, it's like Karstark arguing with Robb about what happens to Jaime when there's the War of the Five (well, Four with Renly dead) Kings going on - similarly for Cersei bickering with the Tyrells when the war is raging. But then even when focused on the war, all the combatants are all blind to the bigger picture in that you have the Last Targaryen loading up on dragons and soldiers up in the East to come smurf their trout up. And then even that - the Iron Throne - does not matter because the even bigger picture is the ungodly army of demons that are coming from Beyond-the-Wall. I can't wait to see (none of this has happened as yet in the books, relax, no spoilers!) Dany rock up in King's Landing with her dragons, only to find it has been made into a city of the dead by the Others. :D

[Shaibana]

what do you mean we dnt see the bigger picture? :o

[Psychotic]

People are saying they're going to stop watching when there's more to GoT than just House Stark. :greenie: TV show spoiler: And there's more to House Stark than just Robb - Sansa, Arya, Bran and Rickon all live, as does Jon. Who knows, maybe Uncle Benjen is still out there too!

Also let's not get insulty about something like spoiler tags please. Mark all spoilers and play nice. Thank you.

[Shaibana]

yes, but it just hurts when loveble characters die :P
im definitly NOT going to stop Got xD

(last epi spoiler) the death of rob and Cate is just on everyones mind now :P

[Aulayna]

I for one await the return of their Alien overlords.

[Pike]

I dunno why people are still spoiler the episode almost 24 hours after it aired, I know full well to avoid the thread until I've seen the new ep. :monster:

Anyways I had it spoiled for me beforehand so I knew it was coming but it was still terrible. xD

[Shaibana]

well.. i just want to be carefull
i know how much i hated it when my 'brother in law' spoiled a whole lot..
so i dont want to spoil it for ppl who come here without having seen the epi

[Bunny]

wouw :l

or you could just not be such a prick :S

I am sorry that I offended your delicate sensibilities. Next time I make a post in this thread in which I give my thoughts on the most recent episode and then follow it up with "hopefully they do the bit where. . ." I will make a better attempt at clarity for the members who do not know what 1 + 1 is.

[Madame Adequate]

Heh, I had the Red Wedding spoiled for me ages ago when I looked up the lyrics to The Rains of Castamere and just reading a stark description of what happened wasn't all that shocking, it was just a thing that I learned. So hahaha sux2bu book people, my jimmies remain unrustled and you can take no joy in how I felt. :smug:

Anyway we're all overlooking something far more important than deaths and betrayals here: When Dany was in her tent, the guard outside was motherfucking Kovarro http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a109/Pikestaff/smiley/getin001_zpscd2687d5.gif.

[Shaibana]

wouw :l

or you could just not be such a prick :S

I am sorry that I offended your delicate sensibilities. Next time I make a post in this thread in which I give my thoughts on the most recent episode and then follow it up with "hopefully they do the bit where. . ." I will make a better attempt at clarity for the members who do not know what 1 + 1 is.

or just dont spoil sht

@ mister
i have not noticed :o

[Bunny]

That's one of the reasons I used a spoiler tag.

You are hopeless.

[Pike]

Honestly I think what has got me the most excited out of this entire episode is what happens next with Ygritte and Jon Snow because she is SO SO SO MAD

[Shaibana]

That's one of the reasons I used a spoiler tag.

You are hopeless.

yes but i can smell what kind of spoiler it is. bcaus if its a spoiler about the epi's im safe to watch it

r u done now?

[Pike]

:save: STOP ARGUING ABOUT SPOILERS :save:

[Freya]

Spoilers are marked. Don't want spoilers? no clicky. Tv spoilers are marked until it airs in UK which is tonight

[Miriel]

I know people are mocking the viewers who are calling it quits with this show. But honestly, how much schadenfreude can a person possibly have? That's a legitimate question. My preferences have always been toward happier stories, or at least ones where the tragedy is tempered by hope/redemption/etc.

I don't think Ned's stuff was so bad. It was a great catalyst. This last episode was gut wrenching and brutal and that's fine. BUT, if the show continues at this rate and we just keep getting treated every likable (and even unlikable characters like Theon) character getting killed, or raped or maimed or whatever, then how much enjoyment can you really derive from the show? Unless you just really really dig catastrophically grim stories.

If even more smurfed up trout keeps happens to everyone, then I'd totally bow out of the show. It's not my favorite by any means, even though I do enjoy it. You can't fault someone for not wanting to be subjected to misery an hour a week, even in the name of entertainment.


Martin has said many times in interviews that the series will end bittersweetly for the Starks.

That is reassuring. :up:

[Madame Adequate]

There is hope though Hannah. As long as Dany lives, there is hope that the rightful queen will return to take her place upon the Iron Throne. :)

[Miriel]

To be honest, Dany making googly eyes at the new pretty boy makes me pretty damn fearful for her storyline. :|

I really hope it doesn't get to the point where she is going to need a sassy gay friend to tell her:

http://img.purseforum.com/attachments/celebrity-forums/celebrity-news-and-gossip/1679938d1334231262-michael-fassbender-sassy-gay-friend_2.jpg

But it's generally vibe I'm getting is that I'm going to be frustrated with her life choices in the next season.

[Pike]

I'm kind of getting the opposite vibe. I keep expecting her to get sick of her new fabulous friend and do him in. I'm surprised she hasn't done it yet.

[Psychotic]

There is hope though Hannah. As long as Dany lives, there is hope that the rightful queen will return to take her place upon the Iron Throne. :)What happened to you, man? You used to be cool. :colbert:

[charliepanayi]

It was quite funny seeing my father's reactions to the episode just now. In contrast the cat seemed really unimpressed.

[Shaibana]

It was quite funny seeing my father's reactions to the episode just now. In contrast the cat seemed really unimpressed.

thats becaus cats are evil!! the cat wasnt shocked, it laughed!

dont let this happen to you!
9GAG - Maybe he should be an indoor cat.. (http://9gag.com/gag/a75vqPb)

[Loony BoB]

Wolf. :(

I had this episode spoiled for me before it happened when I accidentally came across it when looking up for details of the Tyrion/Sansa wedding. Still sucked to watch it, though. My favourite bit was the Jon Snow / Bran stuff, though. I love Jon, he may 'know nothing' but he's the good guy in this for me, more so than Robb. I just want to know if Jon is going to remember seeing two wolves that quite clearly suggest who is very close by him.

[Psychotic]

TV spoils.

Was Robb even that much of an interesting character? He never got the "smurf YES TYRION/ARYA/DANY unrelenting hero" or "Gendry :3" "melisandre what the smurf are you doing" or "ohhh trout, joffrey/littlefinger you are an ass!" reactions every week. Same goes for Cat and Talisa.

I think what offends people the most is what it represents. I remember at the end of Season 1 I expected him to go rescue the smurf out of Ned. When that didn't work out, and he was proclaimed King in the North, I was like... awwww hell yeah! He is going to go to King's Landing and beat the smurf out of Joffrey! Ned had to die just as the old master always dies in these things... it's time for a coming of age and a new generation will rise! And you kind of pin all these hopes on Robb, the King in the North, of vengeance, justice, and Westeros being set bang to rights. The young boy getting brutally beasted like this subverts all the usual tropes and I think that's why people are so offended by it. It's what Robb represents rather than Robb himself we mourn. Although from that twitter it seems as though a lot of teenage girls wanted baby Eddard inside of them too, so I don't doubt that played a part.

Really, though, there couldn't have been a happy ending. Even if he had whooped Joffrey's ass, well, Dany is sure as smurf going to try to take Westeros back with Fire and Blood sooner or later. She hates the Starks almost as much as she hates the Baratheons/Lannisters, and I imagine there's still a lot of emnity the other way after what happened to Robb's grandfather, uncle and aunt. Given how very little quarter either of them have given, it's obvious they would not come to any sort of "let's team up to smurf up Joffrey" arrangement. She wants Westeros, he wants the North. It would've come to blows, and when it's protagonist vs protagonist there is no happy ending.

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, I never really cared for Robb too much from the moment he broke his oath, but even before then he wasn't an amazing personality. I always liked Jon most out of Ned's boys, although Bran is really coming into his own and Rickon is way too young to really get an opinion on. I think I'll probably like Jon most for some time, though.

On that note, shocked completely that he left his woman behind.

[charliepanayi]

I note that Frankie Boyle has been putting out spoilers for this episode and future events in the books which haven't yet happened in the show on Twitter - what a jumped-up trolling prick.

[Madame Adequate]

There is hope though Hannah. As long as Dany lives, there is hope that the rightful queen will return to take her place upon the Iron Throne. :)What happened to you, man? You used to be cool. :colbert:

The Lord of Light's followers started talking trout 'bout Davos Seaworth, I'll have nothing more to do with them. :colbert:

And to respond to your other post, I agree very much with what you say. Robb wasn't really the most amazing character on the show, nor were Cat or Talisa (Blackfish is/was a beast though), but a vicious betrayal of this magnitude is pretty goddamn horrific and "Oh holy smurf" regardless of who it happens to. The nominal good guys, probably the only group who even try to adhere to honor and justice and trout as a whole, getting dicked over like this was a hell of a thing.

I mean, they were just talking about Babby Eddard and then Talisa gets stabbed like seven times in the womb. That'd be harsh and smurfed up if it happened to Joffrey, nevermind cute nurse chick who trolls cute little kids while bandaging them up.

[Pike]

So the sum up the thread so far:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/dc26b05811a74c4b089fdcf851ca7bda/tumblr_mnu29utFW91qjtxz4o1_400.gif

[Del Murder]

For me, what happened to Robb was fine. Tragic but fine. It makes sense because, really, he went back on his word and truth be told was an usurper (only Stannis and Dany have legit claims, hell Renly's was even more legit than Robb's since he's Robert's heir after Stannis). So I never expected Robb's story to end well.

It was the very last two seconds that got me. Robb wasn't really a main character, but Catelyn sure as hell was. And poor Grey Wind. :( One of my favorite moments in Season 2 was when he jumped out and attacked some poor unsuspecting Lannister soldiers. I hope they don't kill off more of the dogs, or at least kill them in battle and not in captivity. Poor Grey Wind and Lady. :( :(

[Roogle]

I did like most of the latest episode, The Rains of Castamere.

I especially liked that Catelyn took Lady Frey hostage as a last resort. In the books, she takes a lackwit grandson of Walder Frey hostage in a desperate attempt to save Robb and stop the fighting. Unfortunately, the only one she is able to get to in time is someone he cares little for. In the show, she is able to make a more calculated move in taking Lady Frey hostage, giving more credibility to her character and making it look like less of a last ditch effort. The result is the same, regardless.

[Pike]

Poor Grey Wind and Lady. :( :(

Oh man I hate that too :(

[Madame Adequate]

But Robb wasn't making a claim to the Iron Throne, he was bidding for independence, so the legitimacy or otherwise of his claim on it is meaningless.

(That was aimed at Del, I am too dumb to know when there's a new page)

[Cuchulainn]

As far as I remeber in the books it says Catelyn was not supposed to be killed but ended up dead as she killed a Frey (someone can correct me if I'm wrong). So right until her dying breath she smurfed up.

In truth the Red Wedding is a chapter I skip in re-reads. I jsut can't do it. i read it once and that was it. However I agree with Psy. The big picture is being lost here. People are still thinkng Game Of Thrones is Stark Vs Lannister. It's not. It never was. The'yre just 2 of the three houses we met in book 1. The scope is far wider than that. There are no comfortable plot ties that will settle everone down,. Don't get me wrong the antagonists dont always win but neither to the protagonists. It's a mirror on reality where everyone gets trout on at some point and in the far north there are a race of humanoids that are willing to trout on everyone, equally.

[Madame Adequate]

As far as I remeber in the books it says Catelyn was not supposed to be killed but ended up dead as she killed a Frey (someone can correct me if I'm wrong). So right until her dying breath she smurfed up.


I'm really not sure attempting to save your remaining son's life after you've also had a crossbow quarrel through the shoulder as well is fucking up.

[Del Murder]

If all he wanted was the North then why the hell would he march on Casterly Rock?

[Cuchulainn]

As far as I remeber in the books it says Catelyn was not supposed to be killed but ended up dead as she killed a Frey (someone can correct me if I'm wrong). So right until her dying breath she smurfed up.


I'm really not sure attempting to save your remaining son's life after you've also had a crossbow quarrel through the shoulder as well is smurfing up.

I was being facetious. Everyone blames her for everything, i was playing along.

[Slothy]

If all he wanted was the North then why the hell would he march on Casterly Rock?

The Lannister's had his father executed, kidnapped his sisters, and weren't very likely to let Robb just sit up in the North and keep to himself if he wasn't willing to swear allegiance to Joffrey. It was either take the fight to them or sit up there and wait for them to come to him. In fairness, his plan was working until he cocked it all up with his cock.

[Raistlin]

Robb declared war on the Lannisters over his father's captivity/death. The goal was revenge (presumably through Joffrey's and Tywin's heads) and to rescue his sisters. It was shortly thereafter that Robb also laid his claim as King of the North and declared independence as well. So while the North was Robb's only political goal, and Huxley is right that Robb never sought the Iron Throne, the reason Robb continued the invasion regardless was to avenge his father and get Sansa and Arya back.

[Del Murder]

Wars based on revenge never end well. I still think he should have holed away up North, declared himself king, and let the Lannisters try to remark otherwise in the freezing cold.

[Pike]

Robb's okay at tactics but he's pretty terrible at strategy.

43633

[Denmark]

when I looked up the lyrics to The Rains of Castamere and just reading a stark description of what happened

heh, stark.

yeah okay. the events that occurred were definitely a shock to me, but the characters involved were never really the most interesting storyline to me anyway.

[Bolivar]

I know it seems like the worst thing in the world - it's supposed to. But at this point in the story, only 2 POV characters have died - Cat and Ned. Yes, Robb is a major character on the show, but as many of you are correctly guessing, this is not a story about the young hero king who's had everything in life handed to him. This is a story about the cripple, the bastard, the dwarf, the tomboy, the smuggler, etc. A lot of people have been murdered in Westeros at this point, sometimes it happens to characters you've been following for a while because the storyteller has to let you know that he's playing for real.


If all he wanted was the North then why the hell would he march on Casterly Rock?

For a million and one reasons. In the books, which are heavily grounded in medieval realism, the Lannister commanders are in constant fear that Robb will do just that, knowing full well he has no southron ambitions outside The Trident. Sacking Casterly Rock shows the realm that Joffrey is no true king and the Lannisters cannot even defend their own lands. It erodes supporters from them and wins a few allies by showing that they can win strategic victories, and big ones at that. A sack also increases morale, which Robb's troops were in dire need for at this point.


I know people are mocking the viewers who are calling it quits with this show. But honestly, how much schadenfreude can a person possibly have?

This is actually a very legitimate concern that many book readers ask when you get to this point in the story, where literally nothing good is happening and you have to ask why you're reading this. I promise that as the story continues, the tone does lighten up a bit to where it was earlier in the story, and some very awesome things happen that you will want to see, and a few big revelations take place very soon about questions you may have had for a while if you've been paying close attention. I promise it's worth it.

I'm about to watch it myself, but from what I've heard, the horror/suspense aspects of it have been lost on the showrunners.

[Madame Adequate]

Wars based on revenge never end well. I still think he should have holed away up North, declared himself king, and let the Lannisters try to remark otherwise in the freezing cold.

Which would have been an excellent strategy if his objectives didn't include rescuing his sisters from King's Landing, even putting aside the revenge. All else being equal yeah, hiding in the North would be a good plan, but the fact Robb didn't want the Iron Throne for himself doesn't mean he had no objectives to the south and no reason to go there.


I'm about to watch it myself, but from what I've heard, the horror/suspense aspects of it have been lost on the showrunners.

Your sources are not credible ones. :eyebrow:

[edczxcvbnm]

Can someone just answer me yes or no: will the Stark's ever catch a break?

Maybe Bran could use his new found powers to Usurp the Throne and take over Joffery and destroy the Lannisters from the inside out...Eventually? That ability of his can lead to all sorts of freaky occurrences and unpredictability.

I am obviously talking super crazy crap but after last night...is there no insanity that will not happen?

[Shlup]

Alright, I cleaned up the last few pages of this ridiculous thread. Non-readers have a hard enough time navigating this trout without dozens of generic spoiler tags that don't say whether they're for the book, the show, or just a gif set.

We're not marking TV spoilers. If an episode has aired, it's out there. I don't watch the show when it airs, so I don't come in the thread on Sundays until after I watch the show. It's not hard, and I don't think that's been a problem for anyone here. Do not marked spoilers for aired episodes. If the episode hasn't aired, such as with something you glimpsed in a preview or an information leak, then mark it as a TV spoiler.

Mark book spoilers as book spoilers. Let people know you're saying something from the books. People were good about this for awhile, but at least the last few pages are a mess of just the generic spoiler tag with no indication what's behind the tag. I've edited the last few pages to fix this, but future posts that don't comply will be either edited or deleted, depending on whether or not the non-compliance is becoming unreasonable.

For speculation or comparisons between the TV show and the book, use your discretion. Most don't need spoiler tags, but some will. If you use a spoiler tag, state that you're speculating or comparing.

I think these rules are pretty simple. Just please don't use a generic "spoiler" tag, as there's such a wide variety of types of spoilers and fans in this thread, and please don't bother to put tags on stuff that's already aired as it makes navigating discussion more cumbersome for everyone and doesn't have any benefit since we don't seem to have people dumb enough to read this thread before having watched an episode (at least not often enough to make it worth the cumbersommery).


I'm pretty sure Del was being sarcastic, but there are worse reasons to read the series than to avert the potential of being spoiled. This way you won't run across the spoilers about how Snape kills *insert character here*.
I'm aware he was being a little facetious; I'm saying that he was also right. Gotta read that trout before someone blindsides you!


Can someone just answer me yes or no: will the Stark's ever catch a break?
That depends very much on your definition of "a break." Though keep in mind the book series is far from over. Even book readers are still just in the middle of the story.

[Del Murder]

A break can be anything good that doesn't immediately lead into something bad.

[Shlup]

Now that depends on how you define "bad."

[Jinx]

Fair thee well, Talisa. You were annoying and a poor addition to the show, and were obviously there for the fan service.

[Shlup]

I liked Talisa! So did BJ!

He said after "It's like when the Angels are out of the season and all I care about is that the Yankee's lose." I asked what about the other four Starks and he said they should just stay away and live in peace. xD

[Pike]

Everyone liked Talisa, Sam just bizarro taste in TV show characters. :p

[Jinx]

I like Oona Chaplain okay, and Talisa wasn't terrible. But there wasn't really an emotional connection to her.

[Bolivar]

Well, it's pretty obvious why book readers hated Talisa (no, Sam's not the only one), she added nothing to the plot and it says something about your show's productions when some foreign characters don't have foreign accents while others do. I'm also still a little disturbed at why the show runners want to use the material to tell their own stories. If they were great storytellers, they'd be producing their own show, not adapting George RR Martin's books. But like Ros, I came to deal with her and liked her for what she was, intrigued at how they were going to use her.

It was incredibly sad (just watched it) and compounded the red wedding, but to set it off with stabbing a pregnant chick multiple times was overboard. Showing two women in succession just standing lifeless with blood spewing out of their throats was overboard. Horror, the literary genre of storytelling, which GRRM is a grandmaster of, is all about the suspense and build-up, and the eery paranoia, the sense that something is off, was completely missed by the showrunners with this scene. Of course they can't have the subtlety of a book, but to use that as an excuse to justify the complete lack of subtlety is insane (not talking about anyone in particular here). Between the gore and the sex, the last two seasons have had so many disappointments that I've been willing to write the show off almost every week completely, but inevitably there's always glimmers of greatness that keeps me coming back and I can't stand that!!!! :p

Overall, yeah, they pulled it off. It was pretty terrifying. I do wish they kept the original line, "Jaime Lannister sends his regards,"http://ih2.redbubble.net/image.13631415.7733/sticker,375x360.png as it's still vehemently debated to this day whether or not Jaime was complicit in the Red Wedding. I really enjoyed all the other scenes and give them an A+ for Bran, Jon, and especially the awesomely choreographed Jorah, Daario, Grey Worm trio. That was bananas. I'm also perfectly fine if Daario continues to fight, if not dress, as flamboyantly as he does in the books.

I was where TB was at last season, but Olenna's been great, Jon's been great, Tywin, Bran, Dany, Ygritte, Brienne, Barristan, Jorah, and a lot of others have been great. Plus they killed Talisa and Ros so I'm very optimistic for the fourth season!!! :love:

[Jinx]

Okay, just got to the part where Arya arrives at the Twins. (Or the area.)

Osha's face when Rickon was talking about wildlings drinking blood was fucking fantastic.

Pike, if it's any consolation, I thought Jeyne Westerling (Robb's wife in the book) was a dumb, emotion-less character as well. (Stabbing a pregnant woman in the uterus is messed up no matter how attached you are, though.)

[Denmark]

ok considering i haven't seen this brought up in this thread (granted i didn't watch until the start of season 3 so it may have been brought up in S2 discussion)

i've always considered "ygritte" to be pronounced like "ih-greet" rather than "ee-gret" because when i hear ee-gret i think http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Ardea_modesta.jpg/250px-Ardea_modesta.jpg

am i the only one

[Freya]

Yah I never pronounced it that way.

GRRM was the one who wrote rhe episode in to say talisa Was preggo so I'm assuming he's okay with her changed character

[Jinx]

I didn't say anything about that. I just said that it's messed up stabbing a pregnant woman in her uterus.

Just finished the episode. Omg, Catelyn watching Robb die was so powerful. I love how they just slit her throat, and it cut to black, no music on the credits. I see they didn't make it seem like Arya died in the show. I guess they figured it'd just be too much horror for non-book readers in one show.

OMG OMG OMG UNCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

The rate they're going isn't really cutting the book into two. Are they just moving some plot points to season 4? As in, it's not necessarily chronological, but still covers the important bits? If they make the season end with the revelation of UnCat, which would be fucking awesome it would end the show at the exact place of the book ending.

[Del Murder]

Well they could always skip ahead in the story and then come back to show how events got to that point.

[Jinx]

They could. Although it wouldn't particularly be something I'd like. That's just a personal preference, however.

I think it's interesting to note that GRRM was going to set a book five years (?) in the future to age up his mains, but he realized he'd have to do so much backtracking to explain to the reader what has happened, that he decided it'd be too much work.

[Denmark]

now the rains weep o'er his hall with no one there to hear (http://www.youtuberepeater.com/watch?v=ECewrAld3zw)

i can't stop listening

[The Man]

I like this version a lot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moZExve-AeQ), personally

[Freya]

The episode Hodor became a verb

http://i.imgur.com/yg6Cb8r.jpg

[Necronopticous]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Ardea_modesta.jpg/250px-Ardea_modesta.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2297/egret2.jpg

[Denmark]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/cc63bf69b59bf245e377be7a888146f1/tumblr_mnt1rff1lA1qkopuoo1_500.jpg

[Roogle]

This post contains spoilers for A Storm of Swords. EDIT by Shlup: In regards to a moderately important difference between the Red Wedding in the book and in the show; there are no future spoilers.


As far as I remeber in the books it says Catelyn was not supposed to be killed but ended up dead as she killed a Frey (someone can correct me if I'm wrong). So right until her dying breath she smurfed up.

Yes, I believe they intended to keep her as a hostage as they did with Edmure, but Catelyn executed Jinglebell and then began clawing at her face, laughing hysterically, until someone in the room says, "She's lost her wits," and another, "Make an end," and then she is killed.



I'm really not sure attempting to save your remaining son's life after you've also had a crossbow quarrel through the shoulder as well is smurfing up.

Yes, the television show handled this better as she was able to take Lady Frey hostage. That makes much more sense to stay a massacre if a lord's wife is taken hostage rather than a lackwit grandson. In A Storm of Swords, Jinglebell was the only one that Catelyn was able to access that was helpless. It really made the situation seem that much more desperate, that she would execute such a helpless individual. The hostage in the TV show makes it seem more calculated and intelligent to me.

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[Aulayna]

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[Loony BoB]

I'm interested to see if the guy who got up to go piss on a tree is still alive as I imagine he'll be the new leader, and also interested to see how the Stark army respond. I can see it being rather obvious how Arya responds, at the very least.

[Aulayna]

Horror, the literary genre of storytelling, which GRRM is a grandmaster of, is all about the suspense and build-up, and the eery paranoia, the sense that something is off, was completely missed by the showrunners with this scene. Of course they can't have the subtlety of a book, but to use that as an excuse to justify the complete lack of subtlety is insane (not talking about anyone in particular here).

I guess as someone who read the books you are at a disadvantage here. As someone who hadn't read the books the build up was perfect and exactly as you described it wasn't. From Catelyn telling Robb earlier on to show them how it feels, to the moment she realises something is amiss when the bedding ceremony begins. Her general unease throughout all of it coupled with Walder's shiftyness perfectly set the stage and built the tension and that something was off. Catelyn pretty much carried that entire scene.

[Shlup]

Well, it's pretty obvious why book readers hated Talisa (no, Sam's not the only one), she added nothing to the plot and it says something about your show's productions when some foreign characters don't have foreign accents while others do. I'm also still a little disturbed at why the show runners want to use the material to tell their own stories. If they were great storytellers, they'd be producing their own show, not adapting George RR Martin's books. But like Ros, I came to deal with her and liked her for what she was, intrigued at how they were going to use her.
I think it's funny that the primary impact of the two characters created for the show was their deaths.


I didn't say anything about that. I just said that it's messed up stabbing a pregnant woman in her uterus.
As a pregnant woman, I appreciated that they wanted to throw in something new to really shock the book readers. We thought we were prepared... we were not.


If they make the season end with the revelation of UnCat, which would be smurfing awesome it would end the show at the exact place of the book ending.
I don't know at what point they'll do that, but I would be really surprised if they did that in the next episode.

[Pheesh]

All I know is that if I don't finally see Ser Barristan swing a smurfing sword soon I'm going to LOSE MY GODDAMN MIND!

[Jinx]

I didn't say anything about that. I just said that it's messed up stabbing a pregnant woman in her uterus.
As a pregnant woman, I appreciated that they wanted to throw in something new to really shock the book readers. We thought we were prepared... we were not.


If they make the season end with the revelation of UnCat, which would be smurfing awesome it would end the show at the exact place of the book ending.
I don't know at what point they'll do that, but I would be really surprised if they did that in the next episode.

I was actually very curious how you felt about Talisa being stabbed in the uterus, but I know some pregnant women get really sensitive and stuff, so I didn't want to ask you and potentially upset you.

Also, As much as I want UnCat next episode, it'd be an amazing surprised halfway through next season, or something.

[Shlup]

I don't blame you; I am irritable as fuck.

[Jinx]

By the way, all you non-book readers better be voting for Shlup as Best Admin in the Ciddies. She's the one who cleans up this thread for you.

[Pike]

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By the way, all you non-book readers better be voting for Shlup as Best Admin in the Ciddies. She's the one who cleans up this thread for you.

Yes but BoB is the one who griped about it enough in the staff forum that one of us finally had to go do it :p

[Madame Adequate]

Well, it's pretty obvious why book readers hated Talisa (no, Sam's not the only one), she added nothing to the plot and it says something about your show's productions when some foreign characters don't have foreign accents while others do. I'm also still a little disturbed at why the show runners want to use the material to tell their own stories. If they were great storytellers, they'd be producing their own show, not adapting George RR Martin's books. But like Ros, I came to deal with her and liked her for what she was, intrigued at how they were going to use her.

George R.R. Martin was the one who changed Jeyne Westerling into Talisa Maegyr, hth.


Horror, the literary genre of storytelling, which GRRM is a grandmaster of, is all about the suspense and build-up, and the eery paranoia, the sense that something is off, was completely missed by the showrunners with this scene.

Even knowing what was coming the last 10 minutes of that episode were some of the most suspensful, tense, and nail-biting television I've ever seen. I've rarely seen the sense that something is wrong escalated so expertly and I'm not even sure we were watching the same show.

[Rantz]

Horror, the literary genre of storytelling, which GRRM is a grandmaster of, is all about the suspense and build-up, and the eery paranoia, the sense that something is off, was completely missed by the showrunners with this scene.

Even knowing what was coming the last 10 minutes of that episode were some of the most suspensful, tense, and nail-biting television I've ever seen. I've rarely seen the sense that something is wrong escalated so expertly and I'm not even sure we were watching the same show.

Have to agree. I'm a book reader and I was almost expecting to be disappointed, but I was very happy with how they handled it. On the edge of my seat the whole time.

[Cuchulainn]

It was such a scene. I'm fairly sure it will live on in TV history for a long time. Haunting and powerful.

[Pike]

Yeah I'm with Hux and Rantz. I knew it was coming but the whole scene was still tense as hell.

BTW, GRRM has put (and continues to put) huge amounts of input into the show so assuming that everything was done without his direction is wrong. He has written several of the episodes, including some of the ones that involve "new" characters, and I want to say he's a producer/executive producer or something as well.

[Croyles]

Didn't GRRM used to work in television?

[Ouch!]

Martin started his writing career in television on Beauty and the Beast.

Martin has only written three episodes (one each season), and while none of these episodes have featured show-only characters, the most recent one (The Bear and the Maiden Fair, S3E7) did feature events which never happened in the books (Melisandre revealing Gendry's parentage to him). Martin is, however, an executive producer and does oversee the story for the show.

[Jinx]

Yeah, I was very pleased with the scene, but even more so with the events leading up to it. Show Catelyn is awesome, but that is mostly due to Michelle Fairley's great acting skills

[Lonely Paper Star]

From Catelyn telling Robb earlier on to show them how it feels, to the moment she realises something is amiss when the bedding ceremony begins. Her general unease throughout all of it coupled with Walder's shiftyness perfectly set the stage and built the tension and that something was off. Catelyn pretty much carried that entire scene.

It also helps that the scene was set in her POV in ASOS. XD

I was initially afraid that they would lessen Cat's POV a lot in favor of Robb's or even Talisa's. I never minded some Robb depth (as he had very little in the books), but I was wary that they might put too much.

However, I'm overall satisfied with the execution of the scene. I could nitpick about a few lines and actions I wish had happened, but those are just personal preferences. They pulled it off well enough for viewers to freak out and remember it.

[Psychotic]

I'm interested to see if the guy who got up to go piss on a tree is still alive as I imagine he'll be the new leader, and also interested to see how the Stark army respond. I can see it being rather obvious how Arya responds, at the very least.Wasn't that the Blackfish? Mini book spoils I guess. He wasn't even at the Red Wedding and I was like "wtf are you doing here brynden YOU BETTER NOT DIE" when I saw him. I started laughing my ass off when I saw how he dodged the bullet.

Also there is no more Stark army dude, they all got fucking murdered/captured or they were Bolton men who, well... you saw what their Lord did. Did you not pay attention to the bits with The Hound? :p

[Freya]

I just saw someone refer to GRRM as Evil Santa and it's cracking me up.

[Agent Proto]

I just saw someone refer to GRRM as Evil Santa and it's cracking me up.

You know I once had a dream where GRRM was an Evil Santa.

[Mahad]

Having read over the comments given above I can say that I, too, am pleased with the scene, regardless the fact that I haven't watched my self.

Which brings me to the following question: where can I watch it for free? Preferably w/out having to download some spam/ad heavy video viewer first, thank you.


On a final note, knowing that GRRM is supervising the show at least means that the show won't alter the story/content much from what if found in the books.

and on a final final note, I've got a quick question for any one who has finished the 5th book: at the end, when Dany is found in the grasslands by that other band, I can't remember if the khal in charge of that band was original riding with khal Drogo's band when he died. Can any one clarify? just a piece I've been curious about

[Quindiana Jones]

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[Del Murder]

By the way, I disagree with people who say this show is about 'the bigger picture' and that events like the red wedding cause us to lose focus on what's really going on. Yes, there is a dragon-led army being built overseas and a horde of undead warriors lurking in the north, but those are only the backdrop on what is really a story about characters and how each of them view this world that contains all those things and the events that shape it. If it wasn't, then why are there so many 'character development' scenes where nothing really happens and why aren't more of the major battles shown?

So when these characters continue to be tortured, killed, neglected, betrayed, chastized, etc. it does wear you down and make you wonder what this is all for. This is not a knock against those who really like the show for the overall political and grand epic scale of it, because I like it for that too and will continue to watch it for that, but I can see where some of the criticism is coming from when people say they are done with the show because of what happened in the last episode. A bit of an overraction, but at the same time the question 'is there ever a silver lining for these characters we've gotten so close to?' is a very valid one to ask at this point.

[Ouch!]

It's more that people watching this show (or reading the books) need to learn at a certain point that there are no happy endings. There will never be any happy endings, and even Martin has been pretty open about this from the beginning. The best we're going to get is bittersweet. It's plenty fair that people may not be interested in something so bleak as a form of escapism, but people have had three seasons to figure out what was point-blank told to us in episode six: "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."

That line is this entire series in a nutshell. They've been maiming and killing major characters since the word go. I'm not saying that people should have expected the Red Wedding (Martin put it in for the express purpose of subverting expectations), but people really shouldn't be surprised that a series that made its name by killing off the main character at the end of the first book/season is going to continue to kill off major characters.

If they're not used to it by now, it's probably better that they stop watching. (Almost) nobody is safe. There are a few characters who will almost certainly be alive for the final act, but there's not a single character who I can say I'm confident will be alive after the grand finale. I find that terribly exciting. If others don't, well, probably time they cut loose.

[Freya]

I actually like it. In near every story fantasy or not, the MCs can make stupid decisions and never see repercussion. Those hobbits aren't all going to die, Sauron will be defeated!

War is messy. In war, people die. In life, people die. Some don't make it out alive to live to that promised old age. That's the human element. The good guys don't always win in life. That's what I like about GRRM's books. Evil Santa shows you that gifts are just that, a gift, a gift of life. If you say or do something wrong it WILL affect you. The story WILL be affected. Sure Robb marrying for luv luv was noble but it was ultimately a stupid decision. And he paid for it.

The human element, the realistic element is that bad stuff can and does happen. People die. You may get attached to these characters but there is a reason for it. They are people, believable people at that. You should hate that they die. You should feel emotion over it. Because that's how life is. Life is hard. Representing that in a book or movie is hard. The fact that it's been accomplished is a feat of itself. You become invested in the story more. You want those damn lannisters killed for it!

[Cuchulainn]

I'm interested to see if the guy who got up to go piss on a tree is still alive as I imagine he'll be the new leader, and also interested to see how the Stark army respond. I can see it being rather obvious how Arya responds, at the very least.Wasn't that the Blackfish? Mini book spoils I guess. He wasn't even at the Red Wedding and I was like "wtf are you doing here brynden YOU BETTER NOT DIE" when I saw him. I started laughing my ass off when I saw how he dodged the bullet.

Also there is no more Stark army dude, they all got smurfing murdered/captured or they were Bolton men who, well... you saw what their Lord did. Did you not pay attention to the bits with The Hound? :p

Not true. Many men did get murdered but there are still Northmen everywhere. Not every soldier went to the wedding.

[Madame Adequate]

Both aspects matter. There's clearly something bigger afoot than the usual political bickering of the Seven Kingdoms - Dany has dragons, and last time a Targ got some dragons the entirity of Westeros was changed forever. In the far north the White Walkers are stirring, and they last did so was like 8,000 years ago and resulted in the Wall being built. The Red God R'hllor, or at least His clergy, seem to have huge ambitions on Westeros as well, and the last time the faith of Westeros changed significantly was also thousands of years previously, and even Aegon the Conquerer adopted the Faith of the Seven instead of trying to usurp it. And the Red God has power.

But the political situation that is ongoing as these grand events take place are also vitally important. Ned or Robb could very plausibly have rallied the North to fight the White Walkers, but can Walder Frey or Roose Bolton or whoever ends up in charge after the Red Wedding? Would they even care to try? Down south Tywin clearly has the leadership and intelligence to lead a defense against a Dothraki Horde (when that looked like a possibility) or Dany's dragons, if he judges such a thing can be won, but he's trying to wrestle for power with Joffrey, Tyrion, Cersei, and Olenna, among others. If, I dunno, Littlefinger makes a move to gain more power at just the wrong time, or Cersei and Tyrion start a fight for influence, or Joffrey commits some scandal that's hard to keep under wraps, Tywin might be too busy dealing with that to even pay attention to a fleet of Unsullied and Dragons.

So both matter. The big threats matter, though those are still slowly being built up, and the political stuff that guides reactions to those matter.

And as for wondering whether your favorite character is going to get a break? "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." Edit: Damnit Zach :argh:

[Psychotic]

I'm interested to see if the guy who got up to go piss on a tree is still alive as I imagine he'll be the new leader, and also interested to see how the Stark army respond. I can see it being rather obvious how Arya responds, at the very least.Wasn't that the Blackfish? Mini book spoils I guess. He wasn't even at the Red Wedding and I was like "wtf are you doing here brynden YOU BETTER NOT DIE" when I saw him. I started laughing my ass off when I saw how he dodged the bullet.

Also there is no more Stark army dude, they all got smurfing murdered/captured or they were Bolton men who, well... you saw what their Lord did. Did you not pay attention to the bits with The Hound? :p

Not true. Many men did get murdered but there are still Northmen everywhere. Not every soldier went to the wedding.Well yeah but they're not an army anymore, they're broken men.

Also, Del, the characters have both happy moments and moments of triumph, as well as the sad moments and the tragedy. Robb has several huge tactical victories, becomes a King, finds the love of his life - it's not been endless misery for the lad.

[Shaibana]

I actually like it. In near every story fantasy or not, the MCs can make stupid decisions and never see repercussion. Those hobbits aren't all going to die, Sauron will be defeated!

War is messy. In war, people die. In life, people die. Some don't make it out alive to live to that promised old age. That's the human element. The good guys don't always win in life. That's what I like about GRRM's books. Evil Santa shows you that gifts are just that, a gift, a gift of life. If you say or do something wrong it WILL affect you. The story WILL be affected. Sure Robb marrying for luv luv was noble but it was ultimately a stupid decision. And he paid for it.

The human element, the realistic element is that bad stuff can and does happen. People die. You may get attached to these characters but there is a reason for it. They are people, believable people at that. You should hate that they die. You should feel emotion over it. Because that's how life is. Life is hard. Representing that in a book or movie is hard. The fact that it's been accomplished is a feat of itself. You become invested in the story more. You want those damn lannisters killed for it!

well said

[Del Murder]

Also, Del, the characters have both happy moments and moments of triumph, as well as the sad moments and the tragedy. Robb has several huge tactical victories, becomes a King, finds the love of his life - it's not been endless misery for the lad.
Oh I'm not too concerned with Robb. He definitely had is time to shine before his own ill advised decisions undid him. His arc was pretty well done and it was clear he was never going to 'win' the war. It is Catelyn that was the real tragedy. Nothing but crap happened to her from the start of the series. I was hoping for a little bit more than 'I stayed up with Jon Snow when he was sick' to wrap up her storyline. Maybe a brief reuinion with Arya, or some knowledge that her boys survived, or even a reaction to her oldest daughter marrying the person she captured to start this whole mess. We got none of that, and I felt it was a huge slight to those who grew attached to her character.

[Pike]

Speaking of Jon Snow, I sure hope the poor guy gets to learn who his mother is someday.

Also I hope Ygritte doesn't hunt him down and wear his "pretty lil' cock" round her neck like she said she was going to earlier :shifty:

[Psychotic]

I can't really answer your post without giving away book spoilers, Del. If you still feel like this in 12 months time I will be surprised though, that is all I will say.

[Ouch!]

Speaking of Jon Snow, I sure hope the poor guy gets to learn who his mother is someday.

Speaking of Jon Snow, I sure hope we get to learn who his mother is someday. In all seriousness, though, Martin has said that Jon Snow's mother will be revealed before the series is over. Most book readers have already figured it out beyond most reasonable doubt, but they haven't done any of the groundwork and foreshadowing for that reveal in the TV show, even though there has been consistent evidence pointing to Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen being Jon's parents since the very first book. But a great deal of the most compelling evidence for this (such as from Ned Stark's fever dreams while in the Black Cells and from Dany's visions in the House of the Undying) was cut from the show.

[Pike]

there has been consistent evidence pointing to Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen being Jon's parents since the very first book

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[Del Murder]

I can't really answer your post without giving away book spoilers, Del. If you still feel like this in 12 months time I will be surprised though, that is all I will say.
Alright. You better not be trolling me!

[Ouch!]

He's not.

[Rantz]

Or is he?

[Del Murder]

I think he is. I don't trust Ouch! either. Maybe if Frekana verified it.

[I Took the Red Pill]

That ending was great. I liked the show from the beginning, but Ned's death at the end of S1 was what convinced me that this was a really great thing.

I feel for those who have been truly upset by it, but this show doesn't even begin to approach Breaking Bad for making me feel like trout. Walt's slow progression into an absolute monster is the biggest TV downer I've ever seen, but it remains my favorite drama series of all time.

[Denmark]

i need to stop reading this thread and start reading the books

screw your secretive book spoilers :(

[Psychotic]

I think he is. I don't trust Ouch! either. Maybe if Frekana verified it.She's not even read the books, so good luck with that one.

I promise I'm being truthful and will point out to you when it happens. In the meantime, enjoy the show!

[Ouch!]

I feel for those who have been truly upset by it, but this show doesn't even begin to approach Breaking Bad for making me feel like trout. Walt's slow progression into an absolute monster is the biggest TV downer I've ever seen, but it remains my favorite drama series of all time.

To be fair, the entire purpose of the show was to turn the protagonist into the antagonist by the end. It's what makes it so interesting. I've gone from rooting for Walt to being horrified by the things he does and the ways he reacts. It's really a testament to just fantastic writing.

[I Took the Red Pill]

I feel for those who have been truly upset by it, but this show doesn't even begin to approach Breaking Bad for making me feel like trout. Walt's slow progression into an absolute monster is the biggest TV downer I've ever seen, but it remains my favorite drama series of all time.

To be fair, the entire purpose of the show was to turn the protagonist into the antagonist by the end. It's what makes it so interesting. I've gone from rooting for Walt to being horrified by the things he does and the ways he reacts. It's really a testament to just fantastic writing.Yes, I understand that, didn't really need to explain it.

Also, http://i47.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/33yhrbn.jpg

[Freya]

I've read them. Thanks!

But hes right saying anything will spoil!

[Bolivar]

Pike can I ask what made you tense? Between Cat exchanging wedding jokes with Lord Bolton and Robb flirting with Talisa, I almost thought they werent going to go through with it.

And GRRM has stated in multiple interviews that it's D&Ds show, he hasn't even been to the set in years. When he writes his episode, they give him an outline, and his script is heavily edited before being shot.

[Shaibana]

im starting on the books now. i always prefer to read after the tv show/film.

ive made the mistake once to read a harry potter book before the seeing the film... it completely ruined the film for me

[charliepanayi]

im starting on the books now. i always prefer to read after the tv show/film.

ive made the mistake once to read a harry potter book before the seeing the film... it completely ruined the film for me

I don't understand that, for instance reading LOTR is by no means essential but it didn't stop me really enjoying the films. It certainly didn't ruin them. Ditto other very good adaptations.

[Cuchulainn]

You are all overlooking the fact that the 2 best characters are still alive and well.

Stannis & Davos.

[Miriel]

im starting on the books now. i always prefer to read after the tv show/film.

ive made the mistake once to read a harry potter book before the seeing the film... it completely ruined the film for me

I don't understand that, for instance reading LOTR is by no means essential but it didn't stop me really enjoying the films. It certainly didn't ruin them. Ditto other very good adaptations.

Because the Harry Potter books are so much better than the movies? Or at least some of the movies. I actually think the movies got better as they progressed. But certainly they weren't the best of adaptations.

I like reading books before I watch an adaptation. It gives you a fuller picture of everything and probably a better understanding too. But sometimes, if the adaptation is crap, it just makes it that much worse to watch. It's the reason I won't be watching the World War Z movie. The book was excellent. The movie looks like horse dung.

On the flip side, I like Game of Thrones as a show way more than what I read of the book.

[Lonely Paper Star]

and on a final final note, I've got a quick question for any one who has finished the 5th book: at the end, when Dany is found in the grasslands by that other band, I can't remember if the khal in charge of that band was original riding with khal Drogo's band when he died. Can any one clarify? just a piece I've been curious about

Yup. Jhaqo.

[Rantz]

Pike can I ask what made you tense? Between Cat exchanging wedding jokes with Lord Bolton and Robb flirting with Talisa, I almost thought they werent going to go through with it.

In the books, the laws of hospitality were established as one of the most ancient, most sacred codes. Part of the RW's effect was thanks to that, I think - like most people, I could tell something was wrong and that the new alliance would be terribly shaky at best, but I was deeply convinced that whatever happened, they wouldn't do anything there and then with the guests protected by these ancient unwritten laws. It was such a terrible taboo being broken, and I kind of wish that got translated to the show, but I think that the light mood was something of a supplement to display that sense of safety that the characters were feeling, despite the tension being as high as it was.

[Pike]

Pike can I ask what made you tense?

The whole thing had a dark sense of foreboding to it and when the song kicked in it really upped it even more.

Also I'm curious why you're asking me in particular when I was in the middle of a string of like six people saying they liked the scene. :p Ask all of them too.

[Raistlin]

So Arya decided to do her own reaction video (https://vine.co/v/b3XZMHmxzxh) to the Red Wedding, in a style that I can only explain as a combination of redneck and hyperactive 12-year-old girl. It is worth it just for her facial expressions.

[Bolivar]

Pike can I ask what made you tense?

The whole thing had a dark sense of foreboding to it and when the song kicked in it really upped it even more.

Also I'm curious why you're asking me in particular when I was in the middle of a string of like six people saying they liked the scene. :p Ask all of them too.

I was gonna quote you but I was on my mobile and it didn't go through, so I just wrote your name!

[Formalhaut]

Just watched it. As a non-book reader, I cried. I'm not using hyperbole. I really, was saddened by the entire thing. I felt most sad for Catelyn though. I really connect with her as a character, and the fact that her son, and his son's wife (who she did bond with towards the end and respected her) died, well. She didn't have long to grieve, anywho.

The entire episode had hints of foreboding however. The line Robb gives where "it is treason to strike a lord" when Talisa lovingly attempts to smack him was one hint. Another hint was the thunderstorms throughout as well, giving even more foreboding. What was worse was that I didn't notice these at first. The first half of the episode (essentially from the start till the end of the bedding ceremony) was joyful, and even humorous. It led you up into thinking that all was well, but then real concerns screamed at you. The closing of the doors. Catelyn's concerned face. Roose Bolton's chainmail and general demeanour, and the fact he wasn't drinking. As soon as I noticed the doors closing, I knew something was going down.

And boy, am I bloody miserable. I never felt this sad in a GoT episode. Even Ned Stark's beheading was more interesting than saddening. I couldn't even watch most of the slaughtering. I sort of had it in the corner of my eye and listened instead. Catelyn's final plea was literally heartbreaking. I don't know how to react or how to think. It is probably the most surprising episode in quite awhile. Now, obviously, it being Episode Nine, I was expecting drama as GoT loves making the ninth episode it's climax with a denouement in the tenth. But even so. I was perhaps expecting a death or two, but not the entire Stark family unit. What made it worse was that guest right was invoked from the first minute. I mean, seriously. I'm pretty sure the Freys are not going to get off lightly for this. But it was really the Boltons who were the main betrayers and masterminds (together with the Lannisters, but then, you can't blame them for wanting to damage the enemy). The Freys are the public face of this event, but I doubt the Boltons will be revealed as a culprit. Unless I'm missing something, of course.

I've still got my heart pounding and I know I am rambling but I don't care. I did like how the entire episode focused only on Starks. Jon, Bran (who has been woefully obscure this season: then again, all he's doing is travelling) and of course Robb/Cat. Oh, and Dany. I didn't like Dany's segment really in this episode and I find the Dany's lovefest with Daario slightly unsettling. She doesn't seem like someone who relies on someone and is quite independent, but she's so worried over him! Sheesh, he's been in your army for like 10 minutes. I'm beginning to lose interest in Dany once again because of this though. I found her presence in the episode distracting rather than complementary. I would have preferred it focus solely on the Starks. They all end on cliffhangers: Jon's escape, the Red Wedding, and to a degree the Bran storyline where he wargs for the first time and Osha leaves with Rickon. They all ended on cliffhangers with leave me wanting more. Mytha (isn't that what the next one's called?) is going to epic.

I'm still going on aren't I? Nevermind. Oh! I missed out Arya! Of course. Make that four Stark storylines. The build-up scenes with the Hound was good and consolidated Arya's hate for him. Which then sort of makes it ironic because he ends up saving her life. He could have just let her run off into the Twins castle, but, he forcefully makes her leave. He didn't have to, but it does show his sense of duty and/or 'kindness', at least towards minors anyway. But again, cliffhanger.

I should seriously stop now, but basically, that was epically sad. The silent credit sequence was perfect because I'm lost for words too.