MLP:FiM Megathread: Does anyone even watch this show anymore edition

[NorthernChaosGod]

I like Rarity. :(


I love how so many of us match up with our avatars.
I'm so far from Fluttershy though. :p

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http://www.bronyland.com/images/quiz/banner_rainbowdash.jpg (http://www.bronyland.com/pony-personality-test/?q=MDg0M3wyMDY0Mjc)

[Laddy]

I disagree entirely with Yearg. Rainbow Dash and Applejack both have issues of pride of self-importance that rivals Rarity's snobbiness. And I never felt throughout an entire moment of the show Rarity lacked generosity. Even in cases her actions were questionable, it was in cases in which she did not want to let people down (such as with her Canterlot peers).

Rarity has a lot of empathy. Especially in Green Isn't Your Color (in which she hides her jealousy and feelings of inadequacy to support her friend, even in cases in Fluttershy messes up), Sisterhooves Special (by overcoming her distaste for sports by competing with her sister), and in Secret of My Excess (in which she displays a large degree of empathy by showing him the kindness he always wanted from her). Rarity, while snobby and materialistic, is hardly shallow.

And I disagree with Twilight Sparkle being all substance, no style. This is a chick who sent an entire town into a insane spiral just to report a lesson that didn't exist.

[theundeadhero]

35645

Hrmmm...?

[MJN SEIFER]

Personally, I think all of the mane six have their good qualities, and their flaws - which is why I refuse to hate any of them. While Rarity does display some evidence of being materialistic (which his her flaw) the only time it came across as even semi-selfish was during Dragonshy, but in episodes like Art of the Dress she lives up to her element a bit too much, and ends up going against her original vision of design and gives everyone exactly what they ask (even though they don't even know what they really want themselves), when at the end the ponies see the costumes looked better in their original design. She is generous for the most point, but like the others has flaws. Dash alternates between being cool and arrogant to just being arrogant, but is shown to care about her friends and be supportive at time, despite easy impatient (Dragonshy again), characters like Pinkie and Fluttershy are interesting, as their good qualities and their flaws kind of overlap at times with Pinkie's over excitable state of mind, and (as seen in the latest episode) desire to make friends instantly can be seen as a good and a bad thing depending on how it is executed. Fluttershy's best quality is that she is caring to everyone, but her shyness - as "awwww" as it makes her (and one of the reasons she's my favorite character) it is a flaw, as it means she could be a pushover at times, although she is shown to be able to stand up for herself and others when needed (Dragonshy, and Stare Master.

I think there should be an episode that deals with Rarity's materialism - it seems to be one of the few flaws not dealt with; Twilight's OCD-ish tendencies were highlighted and dealt with in Lesson Zero, Dash learned the cost of arrogance in The Mysterious Mare Do Well, albeit in a slightly contrived way (I don't hate the episode like most do though), we recently saw Pinkie's "flaw" (which his at the same time her best quality) being addressed in the recent episode, and an upcoming one deals with Fluttershy's shyness it seems. It does feel like they should deal with Rarity being materialistic in an episode, although they've kind of already done that story with Spike.

This was pretty long, so I'll report my Bronyland results in the next post.

[Yeargdribble]

@Laddy

I certainly wouldn't disagree about AJ and RD. RD is just short of the douchey level of being egocentric. Before I watched enough for it to come off as more tongue-in-cheek, and before I had to watch RD eat humble pie a dozen times, I really disliked RD for being so cocky. AJ does have a good deal of foolish pride in her inability to fess up and ask others for help or admit weakness.

As for Rarity, I think ultimately her friends always come first... but only after a while of her heading down the wrong path. She has to spend a huge amount of time being self-absorbed before ultimately realizing what a pompous douche she's being when forced to make a hard decision. I guess it's nice to know that when the chips are down, she's always going to go with her friends. She's not entirely non-generous as long as her prestige isn't potentially under fire. When it is, she has to almost begrudgingly side with her friends.

I guess I just see a lot of temptation in her. But I have to say that all of the points of various peeps in this thread have given me a different perspective on her and maybe I'll try to go easier on her in the future.

Sweet and Elite just left a really bad taste in my mouth and was the ultimately culmination of her selfishness. Even if it did ultimately resolve with her having to admit her friends were indeed her friends, she certainly jumped through every hoop to make sure nobody knew she was friends with such riff-raff and that as few people as possible knew she was from some pathetic, rustic spec on the map called Ponyville.


I also wasn't saying TS is all substance and no style. However, she's certainly more pragmatic most of the time and is almost like the anti-RD in her humility. She virtually never shows off. But, her hardcoreness about being the A+ student she wants always to be can get her in trouble. I just think she personifies perfectionism more than Rarity and I think Lesson Zero points out how far she is willing to take that.

[Tigmafuzz]

35645

Hrmmm...?
That was unexpected >.>

[MJN SEIFER]

35658 For some God Mistaken reason, I couldn't get a direct image from Bronyland so I had to do a screen print of my results. I'm pretty sure I got the same character last time...

[Yeargdribble]

My wife got the weirdest thing ever. It's on her Kindle and I think I'll try to retrieve it later, but it's all Rarity and zero Applejack with very little of the rest. She doesn't get and neither do it. It makes no sense and while my results are very accurate (so much so that she literally was able to guess which ponies I was in order of most to least), hers is completely bonkers BS.

If anything, she's a very lazy version of Pinkie Pie.

[Hollycat]

I'd be interested in seeing that.

I think my two results of pinkie pie and rarity were pretty accurate for me, although I'm surprised there wasn't more fluttershy and less applejack.

Julian, are you mean to small animals?

[Yeargdribble]

Here is my wife's. It's easily the most WTF and least filled in one I've seen.

http://i.imgur.com/F4MXt.jpg

[Hollycat]

That is strange, it's almost as weird looking as the one I saw that had full rainbow, full rarity, and absolutely no fluttershy.

[Yeargdribble]

Ooooh, so I had a question sort of. I want to pay for the show because I love the show and want to support it financially, but I'm not sure how keen I am on getting the iTunes version. My wife has gotten some movies and stuff on iTunes for her job and it works great for that, but it seems DRM'd all to hell and really hard to move around and have easily accessible in any number of formats.

Currently it's just easier to rip the 1080p episodes off of YouTube as soon as they are uploaded. I can then put them on my PS3 easily or just stick them all on a flash drive and carry them around. It sucks that actually buying it would limit my options to just be able to have them quickly available on a variety of devices without purchasing AppleTV.

Aside from going through the trouble of either setting up a HTPC (which I'll probably do eventually anyway for playing Steam games and watching movies/porn) or connecting a laptop each time, is there any other option to be able to buy the eps and not deal with this BS? Is there a good way to get around the iTunes DRM and have free access to the movie files once I've bought them?

[Madame Adequate]

Pay for them, but continue acquiring them as you currently do? I've done that with a couple of vidyagaems that I like and want to support but have retarded distribution methods.

[Yeargdribble]

ARG!! Why does media distribution still have to be so stupid. If there were a Steam style service that was accessible on most of my devices where I could purchase a movie and be able to download a copy at will to a laptop, phone, Kindle, PS3, Xbox, or stream it to my TV through one of those devices at a given time...

...if that was an option, they would have SOOO much of my money. I stopped buying seasons of TV shows simply because it's easier to pirate them. At least if they are on Netflix the company will get some of my dollars, but if you don't have your movies and TV shows available there... eff you. I'm not going to the store to pay an obscene amount for your movie to watch it once or twice.

I guess AppleTV sort of works like what I want, but it requires another device and it's a real pain when I could just run TVersity from my PC and stream HD movies to my PS3.

Also, with the prices decent plushies are going for on eBay, why isn't Hasbro jumping all over that and making some. I think they'd easily get a good return on that investment. Also, decent figurine style ponies. Do they have any idea the obscene prices nerds pay for quality statuettes?

[Hollycat]

ARG!! Why does media distribution still have to be so stupid. If there were a Steam style service that was accessible on most of my devices where I could purchase a movie and be able to download a copy at will to a laptop, phone, Kindle, PS3, Xbox, or stream it to my TV through one of those devices at a given time...

...if that was an option, they would have SOOO much of my money. I stopped buying seasons of TV shows simply because it's easier to pirate them. At least if they are on Netflix the company will get some of my dollars, but if you don't have your movies and TV shows available there... eff you. I'm not going to the store to pay an obscene amount for your movie to watch it once or twice.

I guess AppleTV sort of works like what I want, but it requires another device and it's a real pain when I could just run TVersity from my PC and stream HD movies to my PS3.

Also, with the prices decent plushies are going for on eBay, why isn't Hasbro jumping all over that and making some. I think they'd easily get a good return on that investment. Also, decent figurine style ponies. Do they have any idea the obscene prices nerds pay for quality statuettes?

So Netflix with a better selection?

[NorthernChaosGod]

Julian, are you mean to small animals?
Yes.

[Yeargdribble]

Netflix with a purchasing option for offline use. With Steam I can download any of the games in my library for use offline. I will often download some games to my laptop before any long trip where internet will be uncertain or where I might actually want to try to play in the car on a laptop (rather than the 4 handheld options).

I wish this was an option with movies. If they would make them available at a reasonable rate and make them downloadable to any of my media capable devices. Steam rakes in my cash on things I probably may not even play with their sales. If similar thing happened with movies, hell yeah I'd buy a digital, anytime accessible copy of a movie for 5 bucks or less. In fact, I'd probably buy a lot.

The current reality is that I buy ZERO things on DVD or even BR. I boxed up pretty much my entire collection of DVDs and put them in the attic. If I ever care enough, I might dig them out, but probably only in a situation where I can start ripping them and putting them in an HTPC set up. They aren't worth the effort.

Also, Netflix does the cycling thing where some of the content isn't available at certain times. I would very happily pay a goodly sum of money to OWN many of the shows I (well... mostly my wife) watch on Netflix.

iTunes comes close in a way in a way, but still fall short in two major categories.
1) I can't watch it on all of my devices.
2) I can't slap it on a flash drive and take it with me to other devices.

I think I'm going to start looking around for programs that strip iTunes DRM. I know they exist and they seem like the best way to give a little money to the content I support, get a good quality version of the product, and still have it available in an infinitely usable format.

Now if only there was a service that actually made it more convenient for me to remotely access this content at the drop of a hat like Steam does.

[Pike]

I just wish they'd release pony episodes on something that actually worked with Linux.

And also isn't Apple. I've been boycotting Apple since like 2005. Feels good, man

[MJN SEIFER]

I just wish they'd release pony episodes on something that actually worked with Linux.

And also isn't Apple. I've been boycotting Apple since like 2005. Feels good, man Doesn't YouTube work on Linux? You can view most episodes on that, even though posers sometimes get it taken down, but there's usually all episode on it easily.

[NorthernChaosGod]

She probably means in a format she can pay for and download.

[Pike]

What NCG said!

[NeoCracker]

To add into the Rarity conversation, I have no Idea what you are talking about Yearg. :p

Rarities Episodes rarely have anything to do with battling against her own desires of prestige and what not.

Art of the Dress she created the dresses her friends wanted, and even stuck it through the fassion show with those designs regardless of their goofiness.

Diamond Dogs was her using her wit and charm to outsmart a bunch of creepy dog thingys.

The one with Photofinish she was Jealous that Fluttershy was the target of Photo Finish, but regardless of her Jealousy she supported Fluttershy in continuing. It was clear the whole time she supported her friend, this 'begrudgingly siding with them' never
happened once, she jumped in immidiately to cheer on Flutter shy. There was no hesitation, it was definately more an episode teaching her to be a bit more honest about her and fluttershy to be a bit more honest about their own feelings, even if you are afraid it may hurt the other persons.

The one with Rarity and her sister wasn't either, its a lot more to do with how Rarity wasn't really being a very good sister, once again any kind of Greediness wasn't much of a factor here.

The only times it was her struggling to remain a generous person was the Discord episode, which hardly counts since it was all Magic and Shenanagins, and the latest one where she was making the dress for twilight. And mind you, this situation put an insane amount of pressure on Rarity. She was in position to make a big leap forward in fulfilling her dream. In regards to fashion desing, high end design requires getting your name out there. If no one knows who you are, it is difficult to obtain high end clients, so as Shallow as getting into the in crowd may seem, if a talented Fashion designer gets into it, they are pretty much set. So this was very much an episode where it took putting Rarity's biggest dream on the line. And again, this is the only time I saw Rarity waver on the Generosity front.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

To add into the Rarity conversation, I have no Idea what you are talking about Yearg. :p

Rarities Episodes rarely have anything to do with battling against her own desires of prestige and what not.

Art of the Dress she created the dresses her friends wanted, and even stuck it through the fassion show with those designs regardless of their goofiness.

Diamond Dogs was her using her wit and charm to outsmart a bunch of creepy dog thingys.

The one with Photofinish she was Jealous that Fluttershy was the target of Photo Finish, but regardless of her Jealousy she supported Fluttershy in continuing. It was clear the whole time she supported her friend, this 'begrudgingly siding with them' never
happened once, she jumped in immidiately to cheer on Flutter shy. There was no hesitation, it was definately more an episode teaching her to be a bit more honest about her and fluttershy to be a bit more honest about their own feelings, even if you are afraid it may hurt the other persons.

The one with Rarity and her sister wasn't either, its a lot more to do with how Rarity wasn't really being a very good sister, once again any kind of Greediness wasn't much of a factor here.

The only times it was her struggling to remain a generous person was the Discord episode, which hardly counts since it was all Magic and Shenanagins, and the latest one where she was making the dress for twilight. And mind you, this situation put an insane amount of pressure on Rarity. She was in position to make a big leap forward in fulfilling her dream. In regards to fashion desing, high end design requires getting your name out there. If no one knows who you are, it is difficult to obtain high end clients, so as Shallow as getting into the in crowd may seem, if a talented Fashion designer gets into it, they are pretty much set. So this was very much an episode where it took putting Rarity's biggest dream on the line. And again, this is the only time I saw Rarity waver on the Generosity front.

Not to offend the Rarity fans, but i still consider it a rather blatant con when she guilts spike into giving up his birthday meal. That's really the only time I stand behind a "Rarity is selfish" argument.

I initially had huge issues with Rarity, and couldn't really get behind her character. Too stereotypically girly and fancy, too snobby, etc. Season 2 has caused me to pull a 180 though, and she's become easily one of my favorite characters recently.

That particular scene though? She knows Spike is enamored with her. WE know she's rather fanatical about jewels. I can't see how you could talk around the googly eyed pity routine and exagerated dialogue to make a case that she wasn't gunning for ol' Spikey Wikey's din din. Granted, she gave appropriate thanks, and was genuinely appreciative for the gesture, but I still say she was gunning for it from the start.


Edit: 1000th post. This thread is now all Applejack all the time. I can do that, right?

[NeoCracker]

Yes, she was gunning for the Jewel from the start, and she was a bit deceptive in her approach, but her attribute is Generosity, not honesty. :p

And I don't think anyone is arguing against Rarity being selfish, cause she is. But in the end it's always clear her generosity trumps her Selfishness without much effort. I mean if Spike still kept the jewel, I doubt Rarity would hold some kind of Vendetta over it. Be a bit sad for a moment, and perhaps pull out the 'worst possible thing' line, but really there wouldn't be any hard feelings. :p

[Yeargdribble]

@Neo

You made some very good points and I think you have the argument mostly won as far as I'm concerned. However, you did leave out the most damning episode... Sweet and Elite. Easily the most horrible expression of Rarities self-centeredness.

That said, I think it was the bile that this particular episode induced that really pushed me over the edge to really disliking Rarity. I liked her much more in S1 and Art of the Dress is her most generous episode ever. I will grant that there are more generous episodes than not, but you can't overlook how terrible she was in Sweet and Elite. I don't know if you can make that about generosity or not, but it certainly speaks to her character.

[Pike]

One of my favorite moments of Rarity's was in Sonic Rainboom when Rarity volunteered to be the test subject for Twilight's magic in order to cheer for Rainbow Dash.

At that point she had no idea that she was going to get those beautiful butterfly wings, she was just concerned with supporting her friend.

[MJN SEIFER]

She probably means in a format she can pay for and download.


What NCG said! Ah, I see, sorry about that. I have no idea about downloads, payed or otherwise, but I will pay for a DVD when they come out.


One of my favorite moments of Rarity's was in Sonic Rainboom when Rarity volunteered to be the test subject for Twilight's magic in order to cheer for Rainbow Dash.

At that point she had no idea that she was going to get those beautiful butterfly wings, she was just concerned with supporting her friend. Exactly, her original goal was to support someone. Like I said in my earlier post, all of the ponies have flaws, but their good qualities are always something better for me, and I like the fact they have flaws as well.

[theundeadhero]

I haven't commented much on the conversation but when it comes down to it iI agree with yearg. For me she's easily the most dis-likable pony and I generally didn't enjoy episodes such as Spike's greed or Sisterhood Social.

[Yeargdribble]

One of my favorite moments of Rarity's was in Sonic Rainboom when Rarity volunteered to be the test subject for Twilight's magic in order to cheer for Rainbow Dash.

At that point she had no idea that she was going to get those beautiful butterfly wings, she was just concerned with supporting her friend.

That's all well and good... the thing she did 3 minutes into the ep. How about the rest of it where she acted like a prima donna, sucked up as much self-serving attention as possible, and couldn't give a tit less about Rainbow Dash's feeling, nerves or competition. She just wanted to be admired at the cost of everything and everyone else.

This is exactly the sort of attitude she has in Sweet and Elite. It's kinda disgusting. Sure, she's generous sometimes, but she's sort of a bitch a lot of the time too and it doesn't take much in terms of fame to make her drop her friends.


Speaking of Rainbow Dash. I used to really dislike her cocky attitude, but I'm convinced it's more tongue-in-cheek the more I watch. She knows that she's being cocky and gets over it pretty fast when someone points it out to her. Probably the worst example of her being truly cocky was The Mysterious Mare Do Well, and it almost seemed out of character how arrogant she was throughout that episode.

Can we all at least agree that Trixie is a douche?

[Hollycat]

Trixie just wants to be the new rarity and is ...
...
...
Yeah, she's a bitch.

[Pike]

Yeah Trixie is the most overrated pony in the show

[Agent Proto]

But she's the Great and Powerful Trixie! I want to see more of her in the future.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mpyv5UoZpcA/Th9orA_xSzI/AAAAAAAAIPg/779obTJuXpM/s1600/1294905479254.png

[GhandiOwnsYou]

When she's not fronting, I actually rather enjoyed trixie. I can definitely understand the hate, as i originally did hate her too. I went back and rewatched the episode actively looking for what was making everyone else fanatical about her, and shockingly actually found something. If you look at her more as a desperately broken ego traveling and putting on shows in small towns to scrape a living, then her ego becomes less of a huge annoyance and more of a sad attempt to make herself feel better that should be pitied rather than hated. I just kinda feel bad for her now.

I hope she shows back up in some sort of redemption fashion. Maybe finally tired of having been run out of towns or being disliked, haunted by the shame of "The Ponyville Event" she comes back with a lot more humility? Until Cranky showed up, I'd say she served as the only pony in equestria not living an idyllic life. That, at the very least, makes her a unique character if not a likeable one.

[Hollycat]

I don't hate her, and would like to see her show up again at least once, but she isn't in my top 15 ponies. She is above snails and snap though.

[Pike]

She is above snails and snap though.

Bro, those are the best two ponies in the show.

[Agent Proto]

Who's Snap?

[Hollycat]

appleblooms friend before she met sweetie belle and scootaloo.
Edit: and then never spoke to again.
end edit

Or was her name twist?

[Agent Proto]

Yeah, that's Twist. Snails' partner in crime is Snips.

[Hollycat]

I don't like snips either.
I like the spa ponies though.

[Yeargdribble]

Trixie just wants to be the new rarity and is ...
...
...
Yeah, she's a bitch.

So if she wants to be the new Rarity... and she's a bitch... does that mean Rarity is a...

Anyway, this is now a discussion of Pinkie Pie. Pinkie Pie used to annoy me and seems so one dimensional, but now I absolutely love her. She reminds me of people I've known and envied. I'm a realistic person and with every dose of reality comes a dose of cynicism it seems. I wish I could be like Pinkie Pie and look on the bright side most of the time. I wish I could be everyone's friend and not worry about issues that impede good relations.

Pinkie Pie is easily in my top three.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

Pinkie Pie is the god queen of equestria. Pinkie Pie is a being of vast and incalculable knowledge and power that simply does not give a smurf. Everytime Pinkie shatters the laws of nature via some cosmic 12th dimension wormhole, I have been known to look at my wife, smile and simply state "next level."

Seriously though, I think Pinkie knows more about whats going on in equestria than anyone, Princesses included. She's obviously a savant (Memorizing the habits, likes/dislikes and birthdays of seemingly all ponyville residents), has been proven to be at least somewhat psychic, and has displayed knowledge of her world that went beyond that of Celestia herself (see Parasprites that Celestia thought were cute, and Pinkie not only recognized but stopped.). She has found loopholes for physics without the use of unicorn magic and is able to see past her own world to recognize that our world is watching her. Hell, in the last episode she seemed to display a proficiency for not only breaching the fourth wall but bringing elements of our universe back with her (see... Uh, felt.)

Clearly Pinkie Pie is an unstoppable monstrosity of joy and mirth, and only holds down a semi normal life because it amuses her. I love Pinkie so much...

[Agent Proto]

Pinkie Pie is absolutely wonderful, and I love her. Now that I think about it, I am quite a lot like her, except for several things. And her newest song, "Smile Smile Smile" is great.

Remember, smile!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/proto3k2/Pinkiesmile.gif

[NeoCracker]

@Neo

You made some very good points and I think you have the argument mostly won as far as I'm concerned. However, you did leave out the most damning episode... Sweet and Elite. Easily the most horrible expression of Rarities self-centeredness.

That said, I think it was the bile that this particular episode induced that really pushed me over the edge to really disliking Rarity. I liked her much more in S1 and Art of the Dress is her most generous episode ever. I will grant that there are more generous episodes than not, but you can't overlook how terrible she was in Sweet and Elite. I don't know if you can make that about generosity or not, but it certainly speaks to her character.


And mind you, this situation put an insane amount of pressure on Rarity. She was in position to make a big leap forward in fulfilling her dream. In regards to fashion desing, high end design requires getting your name out there. If no one knows who you are, it is difficult to obtain high end clients, so as Shallow as getting into the in crowd may seem, if a talented Fashion designer gets into it, they are pretty much set. So this was very much an episode where it took putting Rarity's biggest dream on the line. And again, this is the only time I saw Rarity waver on the Generosity front.

I did have to look up which episode that was first, but yes, I did in fact speak on it. :p

I find it hard to fault someone in that situation doing what she did myself. Though if it helps, it's not the only time she did something like this. The first time I find far worse to be honest. Back during the episode with Fluttershy and the Dragon, they were all sent there to get the dragon to move, and Rarity's desire for the gems in the cave surpassed saving Ponyville, as had she just went in and did what she did, minus knicking the treasures, she would have saved Equestria without need of Fluttershy. And yet there was no real consequences to her doing that, which did bother me a little. :p

And commenting on the Wings thing, the problem was more to do with Rarity's habbit of being a little short sighted, and not even realizing that Rainbow Dash was so stressed over this, and not so much her putting her own desires over that of Rainbow Dash.

And yes, Trixie is a bitch, and wonderful for it. :p

[Pike]

Pinkie is great. She reminds me of old Looney Tunes characters or something with all her fourth-wall breaking.

[Hollycat]

Pinkie Pie is one of the best ponies of all time and is up there with Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy. Sorry for the short message, I am posting from a vita

[NeoCracker]

I will now GIVE A LIST OF MY FAVORITE PONIES!

7. AppleJack - Don't get me wrong, I like AppleJack. She's a fun character who gets the occasional southernish wit line in for many chuckles, but in the end she seems the plainest character to me. She never really grows as a character, and I was never really fond of the country bumpkin type characters. Any time an episode centered around her, it's always the other characters that shine more then she does.

6. Pinkie Pie - Pinky Pie is hilarious. Her jokes are always well timed, and it's rare she isn't funny. She's this low compared to others in that I don't think I have ever felt like her character has had any kind of growth, and not a whole lot of depth. In the end with Pinkie, the reactions that happen around her tend to amuse me more then Pinkie herself. But again, it doesn't change she is very funny, and is responsible for some of the shows best songs. On the other hand there was the whole Pinkie Sense episode, which bothered me greatly.

5. Rainbow Dash - Rainbow dash is pretty awesome. Energetic and fast paced both in personality and action. Rainbow dash comes with just the right amount of self awareness of her own ego, and her bragging never seems to go overbored into unlistenable terriotories, allowing her to remain a likable main character. Plus the Sonic Rain Boom is freaking awesome. :love:

4. Twilight Sparkle - Twilight is a great mix of smart, unaware, and psychotic. She is able to focus in on the most important of things and handle them with finess, yet a small detail most of us would have no issues with will make her snap. When it comes to something she is unprepared for, she has a hard time adjusting to it, all while remaining a great and reliable person to have by your side, and hilariously awesome psychotic fits.

3. Big Macintosh - I fucking love Big Mac. For a character who says so little, and gets so little screen time, he's got a lot of personality. He's strong, confident, hard working, and laid back. Not a whole lot seems like it would bother Big Mac, yet when it does it really gets to him. (For example AppleJack not coming back.) He's also up for having fun with people, like at the end of the Valentines Day episode when him and Cherilee are teasing the CMC. And who can forget his love of odd stuffed animals. Big Mac, giving attention to the unwanted. Bless his massive heart. (Oh, and there was the whole bit of whim bowling through a pile of women and children to keep a hold of the doll. XD)

2. Fluttershy - Flutter shy is adorable. So sweet and caring, though on rare occasions she lets a mean streak out. Honestly, Twilight is the better character by comparison, but the shear level of 'dawwww' is overwhelming.

1. Rarity - Rarity is number one because she's fucking Rarity. She consistantly has some of the best lines in the series, as a character she seamlessly blends together the high style, over dramatic, and generous aspects of her personality. She's clever and can adapt to situations she has never been in before, (see the Diamond Dogs episode) though at the same time if the need doesn't seem as desperate she is quite a bit resilient to try it. (The Slumber party episode for example, all that was really on the line was property damage, though I do think she was a bit excessively resistant when she started picking up random shit as a storm raged through the place.) Rarity adds flair to even the most mundane of tasks (See the Apple Cider episode), and you'd be hard pressed to see anypony who would go as far out of the way as she does to keep her friends happy, even to her own detriment. (See 'The Art of the Dress') So fuck all yall haters. :mad2:

[NorthernChaosGod]

You seem to have mistyped, because you didn't put Fluttershy as best pony.

[Hollycat]

Or rainbow dash!

[Pike]

Pike's List of Best Ponies:

1.) Snails
2.) Snips
3.) Twilight Sparkle
4.) Pip (That tiny pony with the British accent)
5.) Photo Finish
6.) All other ponies, tied.

If non-ponies were allowed in the list then both Spike and Discord would be somewhere above #6.

[NorthernChaosGod]

What about Tom?

[Yeargdribble]

So I'm watching the 1st episode again (3rd for me, 2nd for my wife). Aside from the thing where the CMC are seen together (which has apparently already been stated as a mistake) I noticed that nobody knows who Nightmare Moon is (aside from TS). Considering they have a big holiday about her and there's a statue and all, they really don't have much excuse.

Also, Pinkie's Laughter Song is sort of odd considering she's singing about her "Granny Pie" telling her to laugh things off. Seeing her upbringing in The Cutie Mark Chronicles makes it hard to believe that anyone in her family every taught her how to laugh out on the rock farm.



So aside from that, I decided to go out and try my luck with buying some MLP to support the creators. I bought the most recent episode on iTunes as a test. I attempted using a program called Requiem to unDRM it but ran into some problems. Regardless of that, I noticed how TERRIBLE the color was. Super washed out. As my wife and I are watching a direct iTunes rip of the first ep even she noticed how bad it is.

So I guess for now I'm gonna stick to torrenting unDRM'd, color corrected versions of the series in hi quality. It really sucks that I can't buy the quality product I want and support the creators without so many strings. I wish there was a way I could just send some money directly to the right people like I would with an indie project I support.

[Værn]

I'm attempting to create a PMV. Right now I'm doing a test export of what I have so far just to see how the video quality is. Considering how my computer has been running lately, the fact that I'm using horribly outdated tools for the job, and that I've never tried making any AMVs/PMVs before, I'm not expecting it to end well. But oh well, I'm just doing it for the lolz anyway :P

[NeoCracker]

We should have a PMV contest! :D

[Værn]

That sounds like a terrible idea.
...so naturally, I agree completely and support your suggestion.

[NeoCracker]

I'm not sure you realize how tempted I am to make a MLP video to AC/DC - Big Balls.

[Værn]

What.

[NeoCracker]

Clearly I would have to depict Pinkie Pie as the singer, but no, I have other Ideas to make.

Though I'm forced to pick between Rainbow Dash and AppleJack for what I want to do. I'll keep the actual AMV "Under Wraps" until then, but in short I think I could make better use of Rainbow Dash's expressions and Clips, but AppleJack herself may be a better fit for the role. I'm leaning RD, because I think she still works fine in principle on many fronts, even if the fit isn't quite as fine as AJ.

Edit: Actually, thinking on it much of RD's character may be a better fit. Both of them fit enough aspects of my lofty ambition to fit, I can make better use of RD's animation and clips, and I like her more then AJ anyway. Rainbow Dash it is, and as a result my PMV will be 20% Cooler. :cool:

[Værn]

My test export is all interlace-y and junk. I'm going to have to mess with settings until I either fix it or break it. I need some sort of idiot-proof newbie guide for this kind of thing. Anyone happen to have such a thing readily available? XD

[Tigmafuzz]

I wish there was a way I could just send some money directly to the right people like I would with an indie project I support.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/monkey_monkey_monkey_monkey_monkey/thatfeelbrony.png

[Hollycat]

I can't find any VITA compatble downloads!

[NeoCracker]

In Process of editting clips, I have found the creepiest picture of Twilight Sparkle to date.

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb405/Mad_Monarch/RapistTwilight.jpg

She has the look of a pedophile who has just succesfully coerced his pray to follow her into the back of a van.

Poor, innocent Pinkie Pie. ;_;

[Tigmafuzz]

In Process of editting clips, I have found the creepiest picture of Twilight Sparkle to date.

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb405/Mad_Monarch/RapistTwilight.jpg

She has the look of a pedophile who has just succesfully coerced his pray to follow her into the back of a van.

Poor, innocent Pinkie Pie. ;_;
That. Is. Marvelous.

[Værn]

She has the look of a pedophile who has just succesfully coerced his pray to follow her into the back of a van.

Poor, innocent Pinkie Pie. ;_;
No, poor Cutie Mark Crusaders. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iv09RirHU)

[NeoCracker]

Well right there TS is just crazy and may eat them.

No where near the levels of Big Hands displayed against Pinkie.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

The roller coaster of the Brony's love/hate relationship with hasbro continues. Scant days after the brony-loving new toys reared their heads, fans rejoiced to find that The Last Roundup had returned to iTunes. Quickly, confusion and disappointment replaced joy as we all realized that Hasbro had totally edited the entire scene featuring Derpy. They changed her voice to sound like that of a generic pony (ie: removed the derp-ness of it) and replaced RD's line calling her by name, effectively sterilizing the scene for political correctness and slapping Derpy lovers everywhere in the face.

For shame guys, for shame.

[Shlup]

Waitwaitwait... What's not politically correct about the name Derpy?

[Agent Proto]

Despite the change in Derpy's voice, I think it sounds better and more suitable for her, but that's just my opinion. You can still tell it's Derpy since her speech still has that Derpy-ness to it. Though, they should have kept her name being spoken by Rainbow Dash.

Also, here's a video of the new voice if anyone wants to hear.

X2CRjPO73Dg

[GhandiOwnsYou]

The name was really my only point of contention. The voice... honestly, i was kinda uncomfortable with it initially. The original voice acting came across sounding like elementary school kids making fun of people with Downs Syndrome to me, and i could see how some people could find that voice coupled with extreme clumsiness offensive. The new one still doesn't sound quite right to me, but it's further from being a caricature of mental illness. I do take a lot of offense at the her name being cut though. There's no reason for it, and it clearly shows they have more fear of a couple people being mad than love for their fans.

I still don't understand how they could justify making a big deal out of Derpy though. Cartoons have ALWAYS had stereotypical clutzy, dim comic relief characters. Dopey from snow white? Disney's Goofy? Ed from Ed, Edd, and Eddy? Patrick Star? Spunky from Rocko's Modern Life? Ralph Wiggum? I could do this all day. None of these characters were ever redacted for fear of offending someone, what makes Derpy so much more offensive?

[Værn]

I don't see a problem with the name, though I agree that the voice was a bit overdone for my liking.

It looks like I've encountered a problem in the last few seconds of my PMV rough draft. My episodes aren't all the same format. It wasn't a problem until I got to the final clip, but that last bit is all messed up...
Oh well. I'm getting new copies of the episodes I need in a uniform format. I know where all the clips I need are, so it shouldn't be too hard to recreate this video if I need to.

[NeoCracker]

I'm curious what program you are using. The one I'm running is giving me issues. :p

[Værn]

I "obtained" Adobe Premiere CS3 a couple weeks ago. The project preview window with it is horribly laggy for me, but the export quality seems just fine after clicking some random buttons in the settings.
The episodes I just downloaded are .mkv and it doesn't like that, though, so it's back to the drawing board :(

[Pike]

So I guess there's no new episode today. This saddens me. :(

EDIT: But not as much as this saddens me (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/02/derpy-has-been-modified.html). Derpy has been un-derped. :( :(

[NorthernChaosGod]

Derpy! D:

[Agent Proto]

Cgzyeg3H83s

Fluttershy won. She nailed it with her last line. :love:

[MJN SEIFER]

Hopefully this is the worst thing that happens to Friendship is Magic even though it dissapoints me to some extent. I listened to Derpy's new voice, and... it's okay I guess, though I'm happier with the old voice simply because it's how I imagined her to sound. I didn't find her offensive at all, it didn't sound like Downs or anything when I heard it, and I was shocked when I found that's what some people thought. To me, Derpy sounded like a stereotypical "goofy kid" from an old cartoon series or something, not offensive at all. Furthermore, as soon as the Derpy debate started, most people who Derpy was suposedly meant to be offensive towards spoke in favor of Derpy, once again the PC editiors are not paying attention to the people who suposedly matter. If anyone's interested, here's something I said on her voice on the wikia;


The only thing that really annoyed me about the Derpy uproar (other than the fact that it was supposed to be a fun moment for Bronies, that got ruined) was the way people thought her voice was offfensive - her VOICE?! Obviously enough for someone to redub it, people thought her voice was offensive, to who exactly? If it's people with mental problems then thinking that was more offensive because it implies they all sound the same which they don't, and even if they did - I didn't hear any of that in Derpy's voice. Hell, Tabitha even based the voice on a friend of the familly ot something so it was never intended to be offensive to anyone.

If the debarcle had never happened, I would have hoped that Derpy remaind background for the most part, but occasionally gained center spotlight, but not every episode or even every other episode, just when it was needed, so it wouldn't get over done - yeah, she's a character now, but still not a mane character, but she's now important enought to SOMETIMES have lines. That's me, who knows what would have happened if we had all just been grown up about it?

At the end of the day I supose it doesn't matter too much, the episode is still good, but it's kind of a shame that something was supposed to be a gift to the fans was stated as offensive when it wasn't at all, like I say the new voice is okay, but it could be anypony saying the lines, and as a side effect, Dash doesn't sound right in the clip anymore - I think it's still her, but, it doesn't sound right to me... Dash sounds off.

[krissy]

the derp meme was always about mental retardation, wasn't it?
DERP | Know Your Meme (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/derp)

[MJN SEIFER]

the derp meme was always about mental retardation, wasn't it?
DERP | Know Your Meme (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/derp) No it was just meant to be silly, but much like the word "retard" itself (which inintially meant "slow down" when you driving) it got corrupted. Funny world ain't it?:roll2

[NeoCracker]

I "obtained" Adobe Premiere CS3 a couple weeks ago. The project preview window with it is horribly laggy for me, but the export quality seems just fine after clicking some random buttons in the settings.
The episodes I just downloaded are .mkv and it doesn't like that, though, so it's back to the drawing board :(

As soon as I found a better Video Editor program it didn't use .mkv either, so I'm re-downlaoding the series in a new format. :p

[Madame Adequate]

the derp meme was always about mental retardation, wasn't it?
DERP | Know Your Meme (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/derp) No it was just meant to be silly, but much like the word "retard" itself (which inintially meant "slow down" when you driving) it got corrupted. Funny world ain't it?:roll2

That's... not where the word retard comes from :p

[MJN SEIFER]

the derp meme was always about mental retardation, wasn't it?
DERP | Know Your Meme (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/derp) No it was just meant to be silly, but much like the word "retard" itself (which inintially meant "slow down" when you driving) it got corrupted. Funny world ain't it?:roll2

That's... not where the word retard comes from :p Just double checked, and you're right. Still the original meaning was never meant to be offensive, or even have anything to do with mental problems or anything, so yeah. Anyway, back to Derpy, I think they caved too easily, but hopefully this is the worst that happens.

On a more positive note; to those of you doing PMVs I look forward to seeing them, I'd probably make some myself, but haven't any authority in YouTube.

[Hollycat]

Her new voice no does match.

[NeoCracker]

It'll probably be a day or two before I can even start on it as I need to do the re-downloading of a different format and what not, but it should turn out well.

I just feel bad for poor Rarity, as she's going to come out of this PMV looking like a complete bitch. XD

[MJN SEIFER]

Her new voice no does match. It just sounds like it could be anypony in that scene, I'm not going to lose sleep over it, but her old voice was better (and didn't sound boyish to me, even though everyone else including Tabitha thought it did). Also Dash doesn't sound right in that scene either...

[Hollycat]

I know, Dash sounds wrong as well. I refuse to buy this episode.

[Kossage]

I enjoyed Pinkie Pie's episode. That cheerful song brought me back to the good ol' MLP G2 times, and the plot of the episode wasn't half bad either. I like how they're introducing a growing number of songs in this season's episodes, and it's a pleasant surprise that all of the songs have been above average, too. :)

[Værn]

I discovered that the problem with the last clip is that the pixel aspect ratio of the episode was set to 0.75, so I fiddled with settings until I found the option to conform it to 1.00 to match the rest of the clips.
Now to begin a full export of the first rough draft so I can review it, decide it's not good enough, have no idea what to do to improve it, and scrap the whole project ^_^

*Edit*
I commented to one of my friends that I was making a video and that knowing how to fade clips in and out would probably make the transitions much smoother, so he enlightened me. A few tweaks have been made, and a second rough draft is currently being processed.
Also, this video makes me feel like a horrible person. It's a great feeling ^_^

[MJN SEIFER]

Does anyone know where the occuring theme in fanon that Derpy is associated with mail delivery came from? Was it shown in an episode, like the muffin association (ironically, it wasn't even Derpy who said that line).

[ReloadPsi]

I like the show enough to have watched all of season 1 and bought a couple of figurines of my absolute favourite characters (Pinkie and Rainbow) and I do catch each new episode each week, but I'm not a big enough fan that I feel a need to shoehorn ponies into everything I do, unless it's at a time when it would be really funny.

Two of my friends at uni are bronies too, one of which likes Rarity best because she's "so fleshed out" but I don't think I'm THAT into it somehow.

[Værn]

Well, I think my video is about as good as it's going to get. I've had enough of waiting an hour per draft rendering for one day. The link's in my signature.

[Agent Proto]

That's actually pretty good, and a nice fitting song for the scenes used!

[Hollycat]

I now have Cutie mark chronicles, cutie pox, and sonic rainboom on my vita.

As well as 720p avatar extended edition with bonus material.

Thank you TPB!

[theundeadhero]

Does anyone know where the occuring theme in fanon that Derpy is associated with mail delivery came from? Was it shown in an episode, like the muffin association (ironically, it wasn't even Derpy who said that line).It can from a fanfic. Someone made it up and it caught on.


With the ret-conned Derpy episode they didn't do a bad job with the voice but I really prefer the original and agree that there wasn't any need for it to be changed at all.

[Pike]

At the Kmart where I work, a single-episode DVD is packed in with pony toys now.

I think completing my pony collection might be in the near future. I still need Pinkie Pie and Applejack.

[NeoCracker]

Well, as it turns out I was just dumb when using my converter, so after deleting all my current episodes and then re-downloading, I realized there was no fucking reason for me to do that, so in reality I could have finished my PMV by now. ;_;

[Værn]

Awww, that sucks. What's the status on your work now? Just getting started?

[NeoCracker]

Haven't downloaded all the episodes I need yet. This process takes a while. :p

[MJN SEIFER]

Does anyone know where the occuring theme in fanon that Derpy is associated with mail delivery came from? Was it shown in an episode, like the muffin association (ironically, it wasn't even Derpy who said that line).It can from a fanfic. Someone made it up and it caught on.


With the ret-conned Derpy episode they didn't do a bad job with the voice but I really prefer the original and agree that there wasn't any need for it to be changed at all. Thanks, I like finding out where these things came from. It's kind of cool when things catch on like that.

As I said before, I guess the new voices okay, but in my opinion it sounded too generic, and there was no reason for it to change, it offended no one, and (based on where the voice came from) it was never intended to be. Also, as I said before what the hell happened to Dash's voice, did they even use the same actress? Why change her voice as well?

[Værn]

Since I've been horribly addicted to Alan Parsons Project lately, I've been listening to them on shuffle trying to think of more PMV ideas. So far, among other random thoughts, one would be a random Fluttershy video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXbdQ2MwoXY), but the song has two instrumental sections adding up to about 4 minutes and I don't know what to fill that gap with. Another would involve Pinkie Pie murdering an old man and hiding his body under the floorboards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5NN8fK1tXo)... not quite sure what clips I'd use for that...

[theundeadhero]

:crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cg-_HeVNYOk

[NeoCracker]

This world is actively trying to deny my right to make this PMV, but dammit It will not succeed, and I shall make a this PMV if I have to brutally murder one of you and steal your computer to do it! :mad2:

Edit: And all of the anger is now washed away in Sadness Hero. :cry:

[Hollycat]

http://chzbronies.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/1c2b0200-a979-4e13-927e-f484dea2eab4.png

[Hollycat]

Sorry about the double post, but I had to make sure everyone sees this.
A gift from me and the internet to you



Google Rainbow Dash for Greasemonkey (http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/123147)
click install.
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Profits

[GhandiOwnsYou]

Get new laptop. Download previously mentioned pony image torrent. Find PS3 theme creater for OS X.

Fillies and Gentlecolts, I believe I have found use for my day off from work.

[MJN SEIFER]

:crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cg-_HeVNYOk Awwww... I was suprised how much of an effect that had on me...

[Hollycat]

:crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cg-_HeVNYOk

I feel tears welling up.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

:crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cg-_HeVNYOk

I feel tears welling up.

Step 1) Send this to Hasbro Execs
Step 2) Hasbro Execs suffer diabeetus and shame and return Derpy to us all OR Hasbro Execs are determined to have no souls.
Step 3) pending results of Step 2, Hire this person to perma-voice derpy or else exorcise the demons from their hosts and return the Hasbro Execs to their families unpossessed.

[Hollycat]

I second all those steps

[MJN SEIFER]

:crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cg-_HeVNYOk

I feel tears welling up.

Step 1) Send this to Hasbro Execs
Step 2) Hasbro Execs suffer diabeetus and shame and return Derpy to us all OR Hasbro Execs are determined to have no souls.
Step 3) pending results of Step 2, Hire this person to perma-voice derpy or else exorcise the demons from their hosts and return the Hasbro Execs to their families unpossessed. 35703

[theundeadhero]

This and My Little Dashie made me bawl my eyes out, something I remember doing only one other time, when my grandpa died 14 years ago.

[MJN SEIFER]

Oh man, I can't believe I still need to read "My Little Dashie"... It's probably gonna set me off too seeing how both that Derpy video, and this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOcFkjmYrxc&list=FLqFsB7eTz2cFMdknkqn8w-A&index=7&feature=plpp_video) do...:cry:

Note: I'm taking a leap with the video I'm posting, it's hard to explain in words what affects my heartstrings so much, but I will use these tear jerking thoughts creatively one day...

[Agent Proto]

Anyone up for a Zelda inspired video?

trCf9eCmIHY

LISTEN! LISTEN!
LOOK!
WATCH OUT!

[Laddy]

Derpy made me cry.:'(

[NeoCracker]

I was so burnt out from all the Shenanagins I had to go through before I could even start making this fucking thing, so I let a few fairly awkward scenes slide, but on a whole I think I did a fine job.

I present you with my first PMV.

Rainbow Dash - Fuck You - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HvKFZ3jncg)

[Hollycat]

It's nice, but it seems to be about a second off.

[NeoCracker]

I know it veers off a bit at the end, and a couple of the opening clips are a little bit off, but are you referring to the whole video seems off? I watched through it again and it didn't seem that way.

[Hollycat]

To me the video seemed just a little bit off in most places, but it is still nice overall, and you can usually tell it's rainbow who is pissed.

[Værn]

My whole browser keeps lagging horribly for some reason, so I couldn't tell if the video was a bit off in places or if it was just me. It didn't seem that bad to me, though, even with this lag.

[Hollycat]

http://cheezburger.com/illora/lolz/View/5917213440
s (http://cheezburger.com/illora/lolz/View/5917193216)hare this

[NeoCracker]

Love and Tolerate - Cheezburger.com (http://cheezburger.com/illora/lolz/View/5917213440)
s (http://cheezburger.com/illora/lolz/View/5917193216)hare this
...No? :p

[Hollycat]

Read it at least.

[NeoCracker]

I did read it.

[Hollycat]

good, you don't have to link to it, but if you see a derpy fight would you mind saying something along those lines.
For me?

[NeoCracker]

I'm not sure if I could support someone who thinks Pinkie is better then Rarity.

[Pike]

I was so burnt out from all the Shenanagins I had to go through before I could even start making this fucking thing, so I let a few fairly awkward scenes slide, but on a whole I think I did a fine job.

I present you with my first PMV.

Rainbow Dash - Fuck You - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HvKFZ3jncg)

That was great.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

Excellence with the PMV. I'm usually kinda wishy-washy with lip-synchy PMVs. Either they're spot on lip synching which is time consuming as all hell AND amazing, or the attempt at pseudo-kinda-maybe synching it distracts me too much from the rest of the video.

This one's concept was just too entertaining for it to bug me. So many amazing pony expressions. Must love, impossible to critique. RD is best bitter ex mare-friend.

[MJN SEIFER]

Read it at least. I read it, and agree with it. I'm planning on getting something done at the wikia done portraying all points on the Derpy issue to be honest, if I find a way to reffence this, could I? I'm trying to draw attention to all sides, and explain how a compromise could go.

[Hollycat]

You sure could.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

Read it at least. I read it, and agree with it. I'm planning on getting something done at the wikia done portraying all points on the Derpy issue to be honest, if I find a way to reffence this, could I? I'm trying to draw attention to all sides, and explain how a compromise could go.

I'm not sure there is room for a compromise left. Usually when these things happen, there is a pretty vocal minority that if ignored or at least apologized to, will grudgingly disappear after a bit. Once you backpedal and cater to that small group however, you've given them confirmation that they were right, and that you were (accidentally) in the wrong. Now there's no getting them to back down.

Likewise, by supporting the minority, you've now got the majority of people riled up because you removed something they loved. Because you already caved to the whims of one group, this new, larger group expects you to do the same for them. You can't, however, because doing so would be hypocritical if you consider that the first action could be viewed as admission of guilt.

Long story short, they've got a self sustaining argument now. If Hasbro had just let Derpy be, this probably would have already blown over. By catering to a few trolls and politically correct fun destroyers, they've set themselves up with the expectation that things be retconned because of complaints, and raised up a new group of pissed off fans chanting that their will be obeyed. Even if Derpy comes back in her classic where's-waldo style, the pro-derp group is going to be mad she's been stuck in the background again. If they change it again, the anti-derp group is just going to re-double their efforts claiming she's mocking kids with downs. lose-lose.

[NeoCracker]

For my next PMV, I think I'm going Metal.

[NorthernChaosGod]

For my next PMV, I think I'm going Metal.
DO EET.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

For my next PMV, I think I'm going Metal.
DO EET.

It's my personal opinion that Big Macintosh and Applejack spent their adolescence bucking trees to Motorhead and Sabbath.

[Værn]

Is anyone else going to join our PMV shenanigans? :P

[NorthernChaosGod]

No, I'll just watch. :p

[Pike]

Is anyone else going to join our PMV shenanigans? :P

I would if my computer could handle it, but it can't. Yes, my computer is that bad.

[Yeargdribble]

I sort of want to. I used to do a lot of work in Adobe Premiere during college, but I'm a little afraid of the amount of time I'd have to sink into it to do something decent and I'm not convinced I have that time.

[MJN SEIFER]

Is anyone else going to join our PMV shenanigans? :P I'd really love to make one, but I have a bad feeling I'm not allowed... :cry:

[NeoCracker]

Since when has not being allowed ever stopped you from doing anything? :monster:

:p

[Hollycat]

I just realised. Pinkie pie drinks hot sauce like it is water, but when she drinks the rainbow, it is spicy enough to nearly make her cry, therefore since skittles taste like rainbows and Rainbow Dash tastes like skittles, rainbow dash is a ghost chili.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

I've been sorely tempted to try my hand at a PMV, but my life has been absolutely insane lately. Moving to Korea, trying to outprocess from my current job, then to top it all off I get hit by a car on my motorcycle last week, so now I'm trying to juggle medical stuff and appease two insurance companies who know I'm leaving the states in a ittle over a month. Maddening.

If it's still rolling in May after I get settled, I have my sites set on a Pinkie Pie/Primus video, maybe Whamola. It begs to be done.

[Værn]

Hypoallergenic Catuar, you are so random.

Since when has not being allowed ever stopped you from doing anything? :monster:
This. Plus, I fail to see why you wouldn't be allowed to make one to begin with :P

[Hollycat]

How come everyone forgets that Big Mac had lots of lines in the fourth episode?

[NeoCracker]

...Because it's far from a lot of lines and happens during a period of less then a minute?

[Hollycat]

It is well over ten times his usual lines.

[NeoCracker]

It doesn't make it a lot. :p

[Hollycat]

Compared to his normal lines it is, but yeah, compared to any other pony with lines in multiple episodes you are right.

[NeoCracker]

Mind you, I like Big Mac to stay a man of few words. So I'm fine with this set up.

And at some point tomorrow, my Metal PMV will be up, and it'll be crazy. :smug:

[Hollycat]

Nasty fluttershy scares me.....

Todays episode was amazing

[GhandiOwnsYou]

Mind you, I like Big Mac to stay a man of few words. So I'm fine with this set up.

And at some point tomorrow, my Metal PMV will be up, and it'll be crazy. :smug:

I'm quite fond of the "man of few words" thing myself, but i think they're pushing it a bit far. There's a difference between being a man of few words, and being a man who only responds with one phrase.

I dunno, I guess I feel like his character in Episode 4 came across as a quiet, intelligent, common sense type of guy. You know, the dude who kept quiet most of the time because he didn't need to run his mouth. Since then, they've been playing him as the "eeyup" machine. I kinda miss episode 4 Big Mac. Old boy needs come out strong again.


Insomnia fueled edit/pseudo-double-post/finally getting forcing myself to finish stuff:

Finally finished Pinkie Pie!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/GhandiOwnsYou/IMG_0526.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/GhandiOwnsYou/IMG_0524.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/GhandiOwnsYou/IMG_0525.jpg

Also, added bonus: I was toying about with a PS3 Theme Builder program, and threw together a Big Macintosh theme for anyone who cares to give er a go. All backgrounds harvested, can't claim any as my own work. Only thing thats "mine" is chopping the icons out of episode screen grabs.

Big Mac Theme.p3t (http://cl.ly/3T1G1g323Z0H1N141B0O)

[Pike]

That Pinkie is amazing.

[MJN SEIFER]

Hypoallergenic Catuar, you are so random.

Since when has not being allowed ever stopped you from doing anything? :monster:
This. Plus, I fail to see why you wouldn't be allowed to make one to begin with :P I used to create music videos for YouTube (I even made one for FFVIII) but two of them got taken down consecutively due to lack of copyright so I deleted the ones left because if I get to many taken down I get kicked off YouTube (I think). So I probably can't make one, as I don't own copyright for FIM or for the music (it was the music both times that got my videos deleted). :(

To GhandiOwnsYou: All your ponies look awesome! :cool:

[NeoCracker]

Firstly, totally checking out that Theme.

Second, I love the Pinkie.

Finally, any Time Big Mac has a lot of screen time he shows a lot of character. He doesn't have much lines un-poisoned in hearts and hooves for example, yet he still comes across as very relaxed, able to adjust to bizarre situations, and even enjoys messing with people a bit. And outside of potion induced Dialogue, he he only says about one line other then his usual.

And really finally, my Video is uploading right now, so it's only a matter of time before I can post it. :D

Edit:

LETS DO THIS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NgYgLatdiw

There are two scenes I wish were different, but since I just started getting the Watermark-less episodes, I didn't use them since the had the 'up next' banner on them. And it makes me very sad cause they looked bad. :(

I'll spoiler the scenes in case you want to see the video before knowing what I wanted different. :p

There is a clip where Pinkie is getting trampled by the Buffalo, where as I'd rather have used the one from 'The Last Round Up' where Pinkie gets pissed off at AJ for breaking a Pinkie Promise.
The other one being the scene with the Birds Nest in Winter Wrap up. The scene I wanted was still invovling Rarity and the Nest, but I'd rather have used the one where she cries into the nest, but alas that is where the next episode banner was. :(

[Hollycat]

Anypony want to talk about yesterdays episode?

[NorthernChaosGod]

Fluttershy episode! :squee:

[Hollycat]

A really good one too!

[MJN SEIFER]

I scheduled myself to watch it yesterday, but felt really ill for some reason, and had to call it a night early (which is something I never do on a weekend). Tuesday will be the earliest I can see it, I'm looking forward to it if my favorite pony is involved. :)

[Pike]

Oh man yesterday's episode.

I PITY THE FOAL

[NorthernChaosGod]

GUIZE, GUIZE. Theory time.

http://i39.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/en48w.jpg

[Pike]

GUIZE, GUIZE. Theory time.

http://i39.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/en48w.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a109/Pikestaff/internet/his_mindblown.gif

[Hollycat]

I am supporting le ponies by buying the friendship express and 3 grab bags.

[Pike]

I went to Wal-Mart the other day and they had an MLP blind bag box there and it was not only completely empty but it was ripped to shreds and basically looked like it had been ravaged by a herd of rampaging bronies

[Hollycat]

The hate has increased. I for one will not be signing this
http://www.change.org/petitions/hasbro-no-money-for-hasbro-until-derpy-hoovess-name-voice-and-eyes-a
re-restored

[MJN SEIFER]

GUIZE, GUIZE. Theory time.

http://i39.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/en48w.jpg I'm going to have to dissagree with this one, I feel that Rarity had more drama queen moments in season 1 so far, everyone else seems either the same or doing a lot better.


The hate has increased. I for one will not be signing this
http://www.change.org/petitions/hasbro-no-money-for-hasbro-until-derpy-hoovess-name-voice-and-eyes-a
re-restored For a miniute there I thought you meant that you hated ponies now. I won't be signing that either.

[Laddy]

I wish Derpy was the same.

That being said, never before had I seen television producers be so up-front, honest, and considerate to their fans. To punish them for the one time they "fail" to meet our very high expectations seems extremely entitled.

[Værn]

Roughly half done with my next PMV. All I have of season 2 in .mkv except the first 2 episodes so I can't use any of it, and it's taking forever to find clips for certain spots in season 1. No ETA right now, as I determined before I even started that the first 2/5 of the song would be the easy part and it already feels like I'm out of stuff to use :(

[MJN SEIFER]

I watched the latest episode last night, will give my opinion on it soon.

For those who asked, I answered the question about why I can't be allowed to do PMVs just in case it got missed.

[Værn]

I've declared your excuse to be invalid. You're just using paranoia as an excuse.
I'm perfectly fine with using laziness as an excuse, though ^_^

[Hollycat]

one day the whole world will unanimously vote to be renamed equestria and promote peace. and on that day the aliens will realise our potentials and grant us one wish.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

one day the whole world will unanimously vote to be renamed equestria and promote peace. and on that day the aliens will realise our potentials and grant us one wish.

My theory is that the Fourth Wall is like Berlin for Pinkie Pie. She's been taking chunks out of it and test crossing for a couple years. Once she decides to just tear it down... All bets are off.

Pinkie will lead the charge, tuba in hoof. Our world will end neither in Fire, nor in Ice. Our world will end in confetti and balloons. It's going to be glorious.

[MJN SEIFER]

I've declared your excuse to be invalid. You're just using paranoia as an excuse.
I'm perfectly fine with using laziness as an excuse, though ^_^
I might go through with it one day then... Maybe I could put a proclaimer in saying that I mean no infringement on copyright, and that YouTube should get in touch with me rather than take my video down themselves, do you think that would make it less likely for them to just ban me? I would like to do a PMV one day, but maybe it really is my paranoia getting in my way...

Also, I need to get the song I want on CD so I can uploaded it (not to difficult, I guess...) and the Friendship is Magic clips I want, and I have absolutely no idea how I'm going to get them... If I can get these three things sorted, then maybe, hopefully I will do it.



Pinkie will lead the charge, tuba in hoof. Our world will end neither in Fire, nor in Ice. Our world will end in confetti and balloons. It's going to be glorious. That will be the best day ever. :cool:

[NeoCracker]

Just throwing this out there, we had a bunny slap fluttershy and point her back to the kitchen, and by episodes end his only repercussion was being forced to eat something he didn't want, which he ended up loving anyway.

Yet Derpy was too offensive...

:p

[MJN SEIFER]

Just throwing this out there, we had a bunny slap fluttershy and point her back to the kitchen, and by episodes end his only repercussion was being forced to eat something he didn't want, which he ended up loving anyway.

Yet Derpy was too offensive...

:p Yes...

That really says a lot doesn't it? :jess:

[GhandiOwnsYou]

Clearly the point is that it is perfectly rational to beat any females in your household into compliance, so long as you do not tell them they are clumsy.

edit: Oh man, I bet this woman (http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/12/09/my-little-homophobic-racist-smarts-shaming-pony/) is having a fricking field day right now.

[NeoCracker]

That is one of the most hilariously stupid things I've read all weak.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

That is one of the most hilariously stupid things I've read all weak.

In typically awesome fashion, Lauren Faust fired back with love and tolerance cannons and utterly shamed this feminazi. (http://http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/12/24/my-little-non-homophobic-non-racist-non-smart-shaming-pony-a-rebuttal/)

[MJN SEIFER]

There's something I've been meaning to ask; In Friendship is Magic a pony's "cutie mark" is a symbol of their best talent, and it's a key point in the pony's life when they finally get one (assuming they don't rush into it like two snobish ponies I could mention...). However seeing as I only watched Friendship is Magic (techically speaking) I need to ask this;

Was Friendship is Magic the first My Little Pony generation where cutie marks 1) represented the best talent of the pony, 2) was a key point in the pony's life, and 3) was something the pony recieved once he or she, had discovered his or her main (mane?) talent?

I find the whole cutie mark storyline to be very interesting and love episodes relating to it, also did Friendship is Magic coin the term or was it used before - they definitely existed, but were they named?

[Hollycat]

Cutie marks are all new, they used to be called symbols and were nothing except they were supposed to represent personality

[MJN SEIFER]

Cutie marks are all new, they used to be called symbols and were nothing except they were supposed to represent personality Got it, thanks. I've been wondering for a whille now :) I've glanced at some old ones, and wondered if they meant anything.

It's kind of cool how Friendship is Magic uses it, at least I think it is...

[Yeargdribble]

So my wife and I were discussing the CMC. We were talking mostly about how and when they will get their cutie marks. We both agree it will be pretty far in the future, especially since they seem to love making CMC eps (especially in S2).

Where were sort of diverged was on whether they would get them all together or at different times. My initial thought is that they will obviously make some episode where everyone's special talents shine through in their very different ways to solve single problem (sort of the like the fire episode) and in the end, will end up with cutie marks relevant to the skills they used.

My wife wonders if they will potentially have them get them at different times causing strife and dissent between them. At first I wrote this off as not possible since the other idea seems more marketable and happy go lucky for the "intended audience."

However, my wife argued that many elements have already been thrown in (especially notable in S2) that are obviously aimed at bronies and an older demographic in general since so much of the audience has gone that way. I guess I could see them going that route, but I'm curious (and she's curious) what other people think.

Will the CMC get their cutie marks all at once, or at different times?

[Agent Proto]

I think it's most likely they'll get their cutie marks all at once, similar to how the mane six got their cutie marks around the same time when filly Rainbow Dash performed her first sonic rainboom. I kind of view the CMC as the Mane Six Redux as two of them are younger siblings of two of the members, and each kind of ponies are represented in both groups. I just think it's only natural that the CMC will each get their cutie marks at the same time.

[Værn]

I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and guess that at some point Apple Bloom gains the ability to speak with ghosts, Sweetie Belle finds that she excels in invisibility magic, and Scootaloo can't get a cutie mark because chickens don't have cutie marks.

But seriously, if they do get their cutie marks it'll probably be within the same episode.

[NeoCracker]

My thoughts are mostly on the irrelevance of ones Cutie Marks and how irrelevant they seem to be on a whole, and are rather just a small aspect of the ponies themselves. For example, Rarity's talent is Gem Finding. Mind you that is far from any one of her defining characteristics, and her living is made by fashion, which is supplemented by the finding of Gems, but really that just helps her cut out the middle man.

Applejacks special talent is something related to apples, I haven't really pieced exactly what together, but yeah. However she is highly praised mostly for her athletic ability other then some apple related ability.

Twilights talent is magic, yet she is also an encyclapedia of all sorts of information ranging all sorts of topics, and clearly shows superior management and organizational skills then all the other ponies.

I know Pinkie Pie has her own theory on her cutie Mark, but she's crazy and any story she tells should be taken with a grain of salt. :p

Though in case of Fluttershy and Rainbow it seems pretty consistent.

[Pike]

I don't think the CMC are ever going to get their cutie marks during the show's run. I could see it happening if they ever made a movie, though.

[Laddy]

I do hope and predict there will be an MLP movie. Whether or not it gets a theatrical release is beyond me, but a thearically-released MLP film would be genius for Hasbro at this point.

[Hollycat]

Yes, but not yet.

[NeoCracker]

I'm not sure the world is ready for a line of middle aged men surrounding a theatre in MLP cosplay waiting overnight to see this film.

[Hollycat]

GAH! I can't find todays episode anywhere!

[Agent Proto]

Here you go while it's still up. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic - Season 2, Episode 20 - It's About Time - 1080p - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5BQBM69IdQ&hd=1)

[Hollycat]

Here you go while it's still up. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic - Season 2, Episode 20 - It's About Time - 1080p - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5BQBM69IdQ&hd=1)

Thanks bro

[MJN SEIFER]

As I mentioned earlier, I am really interested in cutie marks, so I am going to attempt to reply to a lot of you at once here, so this may or may not be a long reply, so brace yourself for it, I hope you see it though.


So my wife and I were discussing the CMC. We were talking mostly about how and when they will get their cutie marks. We both agree it will be pretty far in the future, especially since they seem to love making CMC eps (especially in S2).

Where were sort of diverged was on whether they would get them all together or at different times. My initial thought is that they will obviously make some episode where everyone's special talents shine through in their very different ways to solve single problem (sort of the like the fire episode) and in the end, will end up with cutie marks relevant to the skills they used.

My wife wonders if they will potentially have them get them at different times causing strife and dissent between them. At first I wrote this off as not possible since the other idea seems more marketable and happy go lucky for the "intended audience."

However, my wife argued that many elements have already been thrown in (especially notable in S2) that are obviously aimed at bronies and an older demographic in general since so much of the audience has gone that way. I guess I could see them going that route, but I'm curious (and she's curious) what other people think.

Will the CMC get their cutie marks all at once, or at different times?


I think it's most likely they'll get their cutie marks all at once, similar to how the mane six got their cutie marks around the same time when filly Rainbow Dash performed her first sonic rainboom. I kind of view the CMC as the Mane Six Redux as two of them are younger siblings of two of the members, and each kind of ponies are represented in both groups. I just think it's only natural that the CMC will each get their cutie marks at the same time. I've been thinking of this for a long time myself to be honest, and ever since I watched The Cutie Mark Chronicles I've always personally hoped that they would in some way do a similar thing with the CMC (without blatantly copying the rainboom thing, but basically doing a cool history repeating it thing). The ending of TCMCC is still one of my all time favorite endings ever, as what could have easily been a throw away twist ending ended up being a really aww and sentimental ending for the show. I just like the idea of them being connected before they knew they were, as I'm interested in that sort of thing. I wish I could explain it better why I like it. I would personally prefer it if the CMC got their marks at the same time, or at least in the same episode (bonus points if it's all triggered by the same event - though whether it will be done by a CMC themselves remains to be scene.) I will admit an episode where one CMC gets her mark first, and the others become jealous did cross my mind, but after seeing The Cutie Pox it seems unlikely.


My thoughts are mostly on the irrelevance of one’s Cutie Marks and how irrelevant they seem to be on a whole, and are rather just a small aspect of the ponies themselves. I personally disagree with these, as I find at least the mane six's cutie marks to be relevant, and actually a key aspect to the ponies, in a way that goes further than it seems...


For example, Rarity's talent is Gem Finding. Mind you that is far from any one of her defining characteristics, and her living is made by fashion, which is supplemented by the finding of Gems, but really that just helps her cut out the middle man. Rarity's talent is actually that she can use the gems she finds in her fashion design. This is more relevant to her character. Yes, she is good at finding them, but her real talent lies in what she does with them; in her flashback she gets her mark once she realizes that gems were the certain "it" she needed to make her designs perfect and unique - the flashback implied that she had been experimenting with fashion design for a long time, but wasn't pleased with what she had made. If her finding gems had been her talent/cause for her cutie mark she would have received it when she found them, but no, she received it when she realized that gems were what made her costumes stand out - she realized she had a talent for using gems in her designs, not finding them.



Applejacks special talent is something related to apples, I haven't really pieced exactly what together, but yeah. However she is highly praised mostly for her athletic ability other than some apple related ability. This is harder to define without being somewhat contrived, but her talent seems to be that she tends to the Apple Acres more than anything. I think however, that Hasbro (and maybe Lauren herself as she would have had the deciding vote on this) just wanted to keep the apple theme going on this version of Applejack's character as she was one of the few "classic" ponies that Hasbro could include in the show without running into copyright issues with themselves (yeah, doesn't make sense to me either), so maybe they just kind of built the character around what they had, and just said "she needs to have an apple cutie mark, no matter what we do with her." Yeah, I warned you it was contrived.


Twilights talent is magic, yet she is also an encyclapedia of all sorts of information ranging all sorts of topics, and clearly shows superior management and organizational skills then all the other ponies. Well I don't know if OCD is really a talent :p In a more serious matter, I think that the title of the show Friendship is Magic is actually meant to be taken more literally than it seems and there's all one big metaphor waiting at the end. I think also that because Twilight has talent in magic she's able to put it to use and incorporate into what she does.



I know Pinkie Pie has her own theory on her cutie Mark, but she's crazy and any story she tells should be taken with a grain of salt. :p As random as Pinkie is, I think she's more aware of what's going on that she gives the impression of - she knew how to handle the parasprite situation, but told everyone about it in a weird way that didn't seem at all connected to the disaster (though to be fair, nopony made half an effort to even try to understand what she was saying...). I think that on the whole she's meant to be more perceptive than she seems, just hyperactive to go with it. Even with doubts on how she got her mark, it still makes sense that partying is her talent, which brings me to my next point;

I actually think that the Mane Six's cutie marks are supposed to coincide with their elements; Pinkie's talent is partying/making parties, which would lead to laughter, Rarity's talent for designing with gems allows her to make dresses, and other varieties of clothing for others, which would lead to her generosity, Twilight's element is magic whether you look at it literally or figuratively given the show's title, Fluttershy's talent linking to her element is so obvious I don't think I need to even point it out. I have a much longer answer planned on how Dash's talent fits into her element, which includes a theory on the rainboom itself. Applejack's is the only one that I can't link her talent to her element (which is honesty), but again this maybe because they just forced themselves to give her a literal cutie mark of apples, which is what she always had in every version she was in, even before they were important and were just "symbols".


I don't think the CMC are ever going to get their cutie marks during the show's run. I could see it happening if they ever made a movie, though. I kind of hope they do, but we'll have to see. A movie would be awesome though.

[MJN SEIFER]

As long as it is, I hope that you'll giive it a read because I put effort into it. Thanks.

[Tigmafuzz]

*Really long post*
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/monkey_monkey_monkey_monkey_monkey/Shibbitybop/3337413_46d0560929cf5802f5a08cd62785188d.jpg

[MJN SEIFER]

^You're only getting off light because you uploaded a really "awwwwww" picture, but I do hope at least one of you will find time to read it. I know it's long, but I spent a lot of time on it, and I would like to hear your views on it...

[NeoCracker]

Even if you take the Friendship is Magic thing literally, Twilight is Still the best manager type Ponyville has. Just see Winter Wrap up for proof of that. She even managed to get them to finish on time regardless of the amount they were late by when twilight took the helms. She has a clear talent for both Magic/Friendship AND management. One just comes up more then the other. :p

And I recall with Rarity it stated her talent was for finding Gems, but lets say I'm wrong and that was never stated, and it is in fact for making Fashion with Gems is her talent. She's made Jewel-less clothes before. That makes no sense what so ever. Look at all of the dresses she made in 'Suited for Success' and you'll see the shear lack of Gems those dresses possess. These are designs that impress whatever that dudes name was who watched the fashion shows. So what you are telling me is she has a talent for using gems in her desings, yet is recognized for her jewelless outfits?

And yeah, your AJ explanation is a pretty damn big stretch. :p

The Cutie Marks work fine as giving you a glimpse into the pony characters, but the route they go with the CMC is just silly. Especially on the first episode with them where there is the whole thing about 'you already have your cutie mark, where as I'm a blank slate who's talent could be anything'. That is just a silly line, as apperently the moment they each get their cutie marks they'll be in the same boat. Which is really odd, as they treated that as though it were a bad thing.

And on to Rarity again, if Cutie marks signify a talent for something, why the hell hasn't she a famous designer already? Clearly she has talent, I mean look at her Cutie Mark. Is it because she still needs to practice to improve her skills? Clearly this is the reason. Now the question is can they improve things not related to their talent? Well, FlutterShy has shown herself to be a mighty fine Chiropractor, there is Twilight and her Managment skills, Applejack and her athletic talent, Rarity and her Gem Finding/making non-jewel garments/shop owner, so yes they can improve things unrelated to a cutie mark. Which really means a cutie mark doesn't really dictate what it is your good at.

That means cutie marks are one of two things. 1) A story adults tell children just to make them work towards something, or 2) a superstition the entirety of Equestria believes.

I think a cutie mark works much better as a glimpse into a their Personality and what not rather then their special talent.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

Wall o Text approaching.

AJ's was explained in a way, but it IS a bit non-standard compared to the other ponies. If you look at the mane 6 at how FIM describes cutie marks, 5 out of the 6 are pretty obvious. Cutie marks seem to be described in two manners, the most common being "your special talent." Most of the main 6 seem to follow this "special talent" line. Twilights special talent is magic, Rainbow Dash flies fast, Fluttershy can communicate with and therefore care for animals, and Rarity's I've always taken as fashion as a whole. Pinkie's seems to be bringing happiness/laughter to a group of people.

This drops us off the AJ and the second way cutie marks are referred to. You'll also hear pony's say a few times that cutie marks are what makes you special, rather than a specific talent. AJ's single defining factor is her love and protective nature of her family. Growing up in a farm family, the way that she would show that love, care and affection for her family would be through taking care of the farm, ensuring that her family would always be okay and at the same time preserving what her family had built through the generations. If her defining characteristic is her love of her family than it all fits together. She got her cutie mark when she realized how much her family meant to her, and it manifested by giving her a cutie mark that said "go home, take care of the farm, and take care of your family."

I feel like both Pinkie and Dash can be interpreted better this way as well. It's not so much that Pinkie can throw a party better than anyone else, but more that her defining characteristic is that she wants to bring smiles and happiness to people around her. I feel like this was at least suggested when she threw her first party. She didn't get her cutie mark when she threw the party, she got it when she saw her families reaction to it. So it's less that she has a particular TALENT at throwing a party, and more that what defines her as a pony is that she wants to make ponies happy.

I feel like it's much more apt to look at cutie marks as more general than a "special talent" thing. Rainbow Dash flies well, yes, but her cutie mark could also be looked at as showing that she's fast, exciting, and adrenaline junkie of sorts. She doesn't just fly fast, she's competitive in a huge number of ways and is constantly on the look out for something faster and more exciting. Rarity can find gems and make dresses, yes, but if you look at her Cutie Mark as indicating that she wants spread beauty and grace in all forms it explains a lot more of her behavior. Fluttershy has her caring nature vs it just being an "I can talk to animals" tattoo.

Twilight's a little trickier. Twilight's special talent is obviously magic, but thats a bit harder to interpret as a defining characteristic. If you look at the mark itself, it's a six pointed star surrounded by 5 other stars. It's pretty obvious that this is hammering the Elements of Harmony point home, with her main star being fueled by her 5 friends. It's also repeatedly referenced that the Elements of Harmony are the strongest magic in Equestria. So if I was to say anything was Twilights defining characteristic, I would say Harmony would be what her cutie mark is really trying to get across. Harmony is obviously a large factor in the way magic is used in Equestria, thus explaining her talent in the field, but it would likewise explain her almost OCD nature and her skill at management and organization, harmony also being defined as a consistent, orderly or pleasing arrangement of parts. It's always been my personal opinion that this is why Celestia was so quick to snap her up as a pupal. The second she saw the cutie mark she knew exactly what it meant, and that Twilight was going to be the lynch pin in saving Equestria's plot several times.

So yeah, that's my logic anyway. Cutie marks = more defining characteristics, less specific talents.

[NeoCracker]

So basically we agree on what the cutie Marks seem to be. :p

And if they ever make a movie, for the love of god don't make it about the Cutie Mark Crusaders.

[Hollycat]

Yesterdays episode was interesting, but they forgot to set up an original happening that could have caused the original time travel happen

[NorthernChaosGod]

I think that's the point, bro.

[Agent Proto]

They didn't forget. The whole episode was pretty much setting that up from the moment Twilight encountered her future self. Twilight was so focused on trying to prevent any "disaster" from happening, that when next Tuesday arrived nothing happened, she sent herself back to the past to warn herself, but was unable to before returning to present to continue on. Basically, you can watch this episode again knowing what happened and see that it's just history in a small cycle in this episode. It's a self-consistent and fixed history. Imagine if Twilight knew that "Future" Twilight was telling her there was no real disaster coming next Tuesday morning, this episode would be a second alternate timeline.


Okay, I've added a picture to help illustrate the timeline of the episode. I hope it explains much.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/proto3k2/twi-timeline.png



Edit: I put this post in spoiler since the episode is still new.
Edit 2: Added picture.

[Hollycat]

35750

U jelly?

[MJN SEIFER]

Hopefully this won't be as long winded this time.

I think GhandiOwnsYou explains it much better than I ever could, and it makes more sense than what I explained. It's too long to quote specifically what I liked, but the whole thing makes perfect sense, and I agree to it. (rep, added.)

Just a couple of things;


And I recall with Rarity it stated her talent was for finding Gems, but lets say I'm wrong and that was never stated, and it is in fact for making Fashion with Gems is her talent. She's made Jewel-less clothes before. That makes no sense what so ever.
Rarity's I've always taken as fashion as a whole. Rarity can find gems and make dresses, yes, but if you look at her Cutie Mark as indicating that she wants spread beauty and grace in all forms it explains a lot more of her behavior. To Ghandi: I actually think that's more likely and that is a hell of a lot better explanation than what I gave. Thanks for that. :) To Neo: It was the dogs who noted her skills/talent for finding gems, so it was stated. I retract my statement it was jewel clothes only.


Cutie marks = more defining characteristics, less specific talents. I really enjoyed reading through the whole thing of what you wrote here, it was very interesting, and I agree with it. It makes a lot of sense. Thank you.


And on to Rarity again, if Cutie marks signify a talent for something, why the hell hasn't she a famous designer already? I've thought of this too. I actually think it may be an error/change in characters In Diamond Dogs a celebrity pony recognizes her, implying she has some level of fame (more than she realizes due to Rarity's shock that a celeb singled her out), but in later episodes where this addressed (e.g. Green is not your Color and Sweet and Elite) when ever the subject for Rarity being famous for anything comes up everypony is all like; "Wait, who are you again? So maybe Lauren or one of the other writers (most likely Lauren as at the time she would have had the deciding vote) originally intended for her to be world famous for dress making, and then disliked the idea?


the route they go with the CMC is just silly. Especially on the first episode with them where there is the whole thing about 'you already have your cutie mark, where as I'm a blank slate who's talent could be anything'. That is just a silly line, as apparently the moment they each get their cutie marks they'll be in the same boat. Which is really odd, as they treated that as though it were a bad thing. What they actually meant by that is that when your don't have your mark you have a chance to be something really awesome (whether you take that literally mean "true talent" or "defining characteristic"), but if you rush into it, it will be all for nothing. Diamond Tiara's mark literally means "I'm spoiled" which ever you look at it. Yet she goes around like she's all that because she got her's before everyone else. They're not saying that CMs are a bad thing because your no longer a blank slate, they're just saying being the first to get one isn't important, and you shouldn't be made to feel bad because you don't have one yet.


And if they ever make a movie, for the love of god don't make it about the Cutie Mark Crusaders. I could watch a movie about them, since I find them really interesting characters (which is why I hope if and when they do get their marks they do it right - hell, I'd like them to at least check with Lauren about it, even though she's out of the show now). However, if there ever is a movie, then logically it will be about all the entire Mane Six, and will probably be like an extended movie version of the first episode of seasons one and two, with some epic adventure that may coincide with something legendary about Equestria or the whole world. Whether that introduces a new villain or it's something like "find this legendary item" or something I don't know, but it will probably be something that all of the Mane Six and probably some of the other characters (the CMC could count) will be able to play a key part in rather than just being about one or two characters.

EDIT: Sorry there was a lot to respond to.

[Pike]

I think if they made a movie it would end up containing the following elements:

a.) Some sort of a big adventure with the mane six (and possibly Spike) traveling across Equestria
b.) Some sort of big scary villain (Discord/Nightmare Moon but on steroids)
c.) There would probably be a split up at some point, leaving Twilight alone
d.) The theme of friendship would be really hammered in for a big flashy finish with all of the ponies
e.) Cutie Mark Crusader subplot, they may or may not get their cutie marks
f.) Tons of great musical numbers

This is how my Moviemaking Sense tingles, anyway!

[MJN SEIFER]

I think if they made a movie it would end up containing the following elements:

a.) Some sort of a big adventure with the mane six (and possibly Spike) traveling across Equestria
b.) Some sort of big scary villain (Discord/Nightmare Moon but on steroids)
c.) There would probably be a split up at some point, leaving Twilight alone
d.) The theme of friendship would be really hammered in for a big flashy finish with all of the ponies
e.) Cutie Mark Crusader subplot, they may or may not get their cutie marks
f.) Tons of great musical numbers

This is how my Moviemaking Sense tingles, anyway! Everything you said sounds very plausable. I'm actually hoping they make one now. :)

[Hollycat]

I want a movie about scootaloo with lots of songs. they could call it; There and back Again: Scootaloo's Story

[Old Manus]

Having come straight into the last page of this thread and having no idea what a Little Pony is or what one is about (apart from a brief visit to /r/clopclop that shocked me to the very core of my being), reading that wall of text exchange can mean there is only one thing I can post:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/oldmanus/d0808ddb.jpg

[MJN SEIFER]

Manus, why should I be made to feel bad just because I posted a long reply on a show that I like? This isn't YouTube and seeing as there is not low count for text, if I feel the need to type something I will do so.

Sometimes I type long replies because they're no way I could say everything in a shorter way, further more my reply both times were replies to several EOFFers, would you have preferred a separate post for each one? I answered them all in the same post. I really thought we were above that here. I get that not everyone has time to read long text, but sometimes there's no real way to say it.

[Pike]

Manus, why should I be made to feel bad just because I posted a long reply on a show that I like? This isn't YouTube and seeing as there is not low count for text, if I feel the need to type something I will do so.

Sometimes I type long replies because they're no way I could say everything in a shorter way, further more my reply both times were replies to several EOFFers, would you have preferred a separate post for each one? I answered them all in the same post. I really thought we were above that here. I get that not everyone has time to read long text, but sometimes there's no real way to say it.

Relax bro :p

[NeoCracker]

@MJN

1) The Reason why they decided to make Rarity not famous behind the scenes is kind of irrelevant. What matters is in story there isn't a good reason for it if Cutie Marks are made to reflect your special talent.

2) In regards to the cutie marks, I'm aware of what they meant. That is actually my issue. They talked to her like it was a bad thing to already have your cutie mark because it means they there special talent is already defined, so they don't have as many possibilities. That is just silly, because following their own logic they will only have one possibility anyway, so really the they are in the same boat with or without a cutie mark.

3) Being Spoiled isn't really a talent, so if we are still saying that's what a cutie mark means as the CMC episodes do, It can't mean spoiled. (If we see it to mean she's spoiled that actually supports me and Ghandi's Idea on cutie marks more the the special talent thing. :p)

[Hollycat]

Cutie marks aren't about talent. they are about who you are. Fluttershy's talent sure isn't butterfly's. The only reason some match up with talent (twi and dashie) are because those traits consume their lives.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

To totally sideline this discussion...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/GhandiOwnsYou/LYRA.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/GhandiOwnsYou/LyraSurprise.gif

[Hollycat]

where can get?

[GhandiOwnsYou]

Couldn't tell you. Blindbags are notoriously difficult to find. I just managed to find the wave 1 blindbags for the first time at a local Walmart a few weeks ago, and this is like wave 5 stuff. I promptly used my amazing telepathic powers (http://http://www.toyreviewdaily.com/2012/01/17/code-number-list-my-little-pony-blind-bags-us-series-1-kiosk-ponies-2012-hasbro/) to buy out the entire Mane 6, ensuring that no starry eyed 5 year old girl would have even the slimmest possibility of finding her favorite pony from the show in her magical mystery bag. Welcome to life kids, a long series of disappointments scattered with opportunities to use superior knowledge to grant those disappointments to others.

I'm personally adding this wave of blindbags on to the Wave 3 set (Big Macintosh and Blues!) and the EPIC full size figure Brony Box as things to make my wife search high and low for while I'm in Korea. I'm only slightly ashamed that I am more concerned that I will not be able to take charge of the hunt myself and ensure it's completion than I am of being away from my family for a couple years.

[MJN SEIFER]

That's awesome. Ever since the debate started (seriously, on the wikia the Lyra Vs Heartstrings debate was, at times, worst than the Derpy debate.) I've been hoping that either The Bronies themselves would just reach a compromise and settle on "Lyra Heartstrings" (as that way either name could be used) or that something else would happen. I don't think I expected Hasbro to do this, but it's cool that they did. I don't want and expect them to try to please all fans all the time, but at least now it should stop the arguing on her name.

It's totally irrelevant now, but if I ever used her in anything I would have gone with Lyra Heartstrings, simply because I like both names, and it seems like a good compromise. Although I only really decided on what I'd do with her, and one other pony as far as choosing names were concerned. I don't know what I'd do with the others. Makes me wonder what they're gonna do with the other double named ponies now...

[Hollycat]

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/03/tons-of-new-blindbags-actual-lyra.html
I (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/03/tons-of-new-blindbags-actual-lyra.html) has an angry. look at fluttershy.

[MJN SEIFER]

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/03/tons-of-new-blindbags-actual-lyra.html
I (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/03/tons-of-new-blindbags-actual-lyra.html) has an angry. look at fluttershy. 35760 :eek: What the hell is that thing?!

Also, "Lullamoon" really was Trixie? How did they not know her name originally?

[Hollycat]

I can't beleive they couldn't be arsed to make more than one mold for all the pegasi and 1 for all the unicorns. Also, NO PINKIE????

[MJN SEIFER]

I can't beleive they couldn't be arsed to make more than one mold for all the pegasi and 1 for all the unicorns. Also, NO PINKIE???? Hasbro really need to get their act together on the toys. Even with the "other" target audience in mind, surley the point it to make the toys as accurate as possible, right? Even as a kid, I hated it when the toys didn't look right, or contained errors. And yeah, you'd think that they would have got the Mane Six done first...

[Hollycat]

The only ones I even want now are Rainbow Dash and Celestia, but they don't carry these toys at my walmarts.

[MJN SEIFER]

I haven't even seen any outside the internet. The only one I've seen in stores is the hot air balloon. Hope you get the ones you want though. :)

[Hollycat]

I wish I could find some.

[MJN SEIFER]

The ponies that Ghandi have been making look a hell of a lot better than what Hasbro have done so far...

[GhandiOwnsYou]

The ponies that Ghandi have been making look a hell of a lot better than what Hasbro have done so far...

Brohoof.

In other news, for fun and crafty creation of show accurate ponies for people not sewing machine inclined and unable to find the Hasbro stuff... I highly recommend this fellas deviant art. Paper Ponies by Kna on deviantART (http://kna.deviantart.com/gallery/30198924)

Papercraft ponies of all kinds, and all you need is a razor blade, a printer and some glue! I'd personally recommend printing on card stock and using rubber cement, paper glue or super glue so as to not bleed through. I was playing with these a few months back and ten bucks netted me enough supply to make a small army.

[NorthernChaosGod]

GUIZE. This is awesome.

Oh wow! (http://funnyjunk.com/channel/ponytime/Oh+wow/lRLGGyE/)

[Tigmafuzz]

GUIZE. This is awesome.

Oh wow! (http://funnyjunk.com/channel/ponytime/Oh+wow/lRLGGyE/)
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Oh+wow+.+Dat+art_27eee9_3456225.jpg

[Hollycat]

got my first 4 blind bags, gave one to my sister, we got nothing but junk, including a toy that looks like twi but has reversed hair and the wrong cm. gr....

[GhandiOwnsYou]

got my first 4 blind bags, gave one to my sister, we got nothing but junk, including a toy that looks like twi but has reversed hair and the wrong cm. gr....

Gotta check them stamps friend. Should be a small embossed stamp near the hole at the top of the package. Numbers 1-6 are Mane 6, any others you'd have to look up online.

Also, Funniest Pony Comic Ever. (http://evil-dec0y.deviantart.com/art/Lyra-s-wish-Trixie-s-revenge-290582820)

[MJN SEIFER]

I know we're supposed to have Love and Tolerate thing going on, but does anyone else tire of the haters sometimes? I get that they don't like the show, but do they have to be all up in our faces over it? It's not even that they're hating on us for stuff that, in a way would make sense (liking a show for kids, or girls if you're a guy) anymore, maybe because even the trolls have realized that the target audience is no longer relevant to us, and we don't care about that. No, they are hating on us for straight up BS. They keep saying that Bronies themselves are the ones all up in their faces forcing them to watch the show - I've never seen any examples of that anywhere...

The only time they even come close to that is when someone actually asks them what's so great about Friendship is Magic and they answer by saying "just try it out", but the haters act like they go on to random things and insist people watch the show, what?! I'm really not getting the whole "the ponies are everywhere" thing. Yeah, there's a lot of pony stuff online, but most of it only shows up if you search for it. Take DeviantArt for example, don't want to look at ponies, don't search for them, chances are you won't see much of them (you'll still get the odd cross-over, and ponyfied version of whatever you searched for, but who cares, you were never searching for that anyway. Does it really affect you so much?) Some go well out of the way to dedicate accounts to the Anti-FIM scene, and just go over the top with it. I just don't get this; they hate the show, fine, but why make stuff up?

[Hollycat]

Dear Princess Celestia,

I wanted to tell you just how much the adventures of Twilight Sparkle and the ponies of Ponyville have affected me. Before I began watching their adventures, I was a man who had lost all faith in humanity. I searched for days for even the smallest glimmer of hope, but all I found was more despair. I was at bottom of a valley that was leading me to my death, a place where I constantly thought about taking my own life, and ending my misery. One day a friend recommended that I watch an episode of My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic, and although I was skeptical at first, I agreed to watch their favorite adventure; The Sonic Rainboom. I was intrigued, how could I possibly be watching such a thing all the way through, much less enjoying it. I decided to give the show another chance a few days later when I was at my lowest, this time with the Elements of Harmony. Something in me changed that day, and I still know not what it was. I was feeling something I had not felt in a very long time, legitimate happiness. I began watching the show to make me feel better, and before I knew it I became a fan. The show changed my life, in less than a month I went from being an emotionless and suicidal shell to being someone who others actually wanted to talk to. Not just on the internet anymore, but in real life. In short, I honestly believe My Little Pony may have saved my life. I feel better about myself, I feel better about the world, and I have a purpose now, to spread as much hope as I can, to as many people as possible. Thank you,


Your Renewed Servant,
HC

[Pike]

Aww <3

P.S. new episode today :hyper:

[MJN SEIFER]

Dear Princess Celestia,

I wanted to tell you just how much the adventures of Twilight Sparkle and the ponies of Ponyville have affected me. Before I began watching their adventures, I was a man who had lost all faith in humanity. I searched for days for even the smallest glimmer of hope, but all I found was more despair. I was at bottom of a valley that was leading me to my death, a place where I constantly thought about taking my own life, and ending my misery. One day a friend recommended that I watch an episode of My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic, and although I was skeptical at first, I agreed to watch their favorite adventure; The Sonic Rainboom. I was intrigued, how could I possibly be watching such a thing all the way through, much less enjoying it. I decided to give the show another chance a few days later when I was at my lowest, this time with the Elements of Harmony. Something in me changed that day, and I still know not what it was. I was feeling something I had not felt in a very long time, legitimate happiness. I began watching the show to make me feel better, and before I knew it I became a fan. The show changed my life, in less than a month I went from being an emotionless and suicidal shell to being someone who others actually wanted to talk to. Not just on the internet anymore, but in real life. In short, I honestly believe My Little Pony may have saved my life. I feel better about myself, I feel better about the world, and I have a purpose now, to spread as much hope as I can, to as many people as possible. Thank you,


Your Renewed Servant,
HC Aww, that was beautiful, man. :cool:


Aww <3

P.S. new episode today :hyper: I'll look forward to seeing it, I think it's the dragon episode next right? Let's hope I like it better than the last one (didn't hate the last one, but it had it's flaws, or one big one.)

[Pike]

Haha, I liked the new episode's subtle shoutout to bronies with the whole "I can like ponies even though I'm a guy" theme. xD

[Jiro]

Watched an episode, loved it, oh gosh.

[theundeadhero]

How soon until you change your avatar :p

[MJN SEIFER]

Okay, firstly; for some God Mistaken reason, I made an error in my last post, when I said I was dissapointed in the last episode. Well, I wasn't - it was the episode before it (Putting Your Hoof Down) that I was for the most part dissapointed in, and I will be sharing my opinions on that episode in time, believe you and me!

Dragon Quest however, I found to be a pretty good episode, although I was expecting a different storyline to the one I actually got, it was a nice episode, and I liked how the lesson was handled, and it was kind of cool to see the different types of dragons that there are. The appearances of Phoenixes (as they should look this time...) was a nice touch too - is it okay that I "awwwed" when the baby phoenixes appeared? We're talking birds that randomly set themselves on fire here...

A couple of things I noticed; one of the dragons appeared to be the same dragon from season 1, although he's just in the background not really doing much, but he's in quite a few scenes - I found it funny when he laughed at Spike with the other dragons, I kept hoping that the other dragons would find out that he (the red dragon, not Spike) actually cried when threatened by one of the nicest ponies ever:jess:. Also, if I've counted right this episode contained the third allusion to Final Fantasy which was probably the most obvious one yet, I was actually double taked when I saw it. I'd also like to add that, even with the really "awww" ending of Secret Excess this is the most attention Rarity gave Spike ever... and he blatently ignored it. :roll2



Haha, I liked the new episode's subtle shoutout to bronies with (SPOILER)the whole "I can like ponies even though I'm a guy" theme. xD Yeah, I liked that too, good way of looking at it.

[Agent Proto]

I want to say that dragons in Equestria are douchebags, except for Spike and that eight legged dragon outcast that looks the same as the "dragon" designed by Rarity named Crackle. xD

[NorthernChaosGod]

Crackle is best pony.

[Hollycat]

Scoots forever.
Biggest scootaloo fan ever right here.

[NorthernChaosGod]

He says while using a Pinkie set.

[Pike]

Watched an episode, loved it, oh gosh.

ONE OF US :love:

[NorthernChaosGod]

Watched an episode, loved it, oh gosh.
I can't believe I missed this earlier. Welcome to the herd, mate. :jess:

(We need some pony smilies up in this bitch)

[GhandiOwnsYou]

Watched an episode, loved it, oh gosh.

ONE OF US :love:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/GhandiOwnsYou/brony_wallpaper_by_zoolon-d45xutn.png

[MJN SEIFER]

Watched an episode, loved it, oh gosh.

ONE OF US :love: Yay.(What the hell?! that was supposed to be microsopic!!:mad2:)


Scoots forever.
Biggest scootaloo fan ever right here. I want to see a Scootaloo episode, all the other CMCs have had their own. A shared CMC episode doesn't count.

[Pike]

I am sorry HC, but Sweetie Belle is the best CMC. This is a well-known fact.

[NeoCracker]

The best CMC is none of them. Pipsqueck beats them all.

[Pike]

Pipsqueak is the best foal for sure, but if we're limited to CMC then I still vote Sweetie Belle.

[NeoCracker]

Meh, I guess I vote for sweetie as well then. :p

I'll also add Rarity was amazing this last episode. She was on a roll the entire time, the 'toast of the trench' and her burst of anger at the dragons at the end, and even the nice touch of her binoculars.

[Hollycat]

Yes, the smilies, we needs them.

I have decided my favorite episode is suited for success, and my favorite line of the series is:

Rarity: What is that awful smell?
Diamond Dog: Smeeeelll? (noxious fumes exit mouth)
Rarity: Ah, mystery solved, it's your breath.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Nothing beats "Rarity catch me!" and her subsequent reaction.

[Hollycat]

Steps for success

1. Go on facebook and search pony hoof
2. Install
3.?????
4. More profits than Bill Gates

[MJN SEIFER]

I still can't choose a CMC...

Pipsqueak was good what we saw of him, so far I like the CMC more though. I personally want to see him in anohter episode where he speaks, so I can confirm whether his English accent was real or not. Notice he only uses it when he's in character, but when he talks as himself it drops. It could be an error though which is why I want to hear him speak when it's not Nightmare Night.

I think most Bronies assumed it was his real accent because 1) They say something about him being born in a place called "Trottingham" and that sounds English to them (I am actually English, and I agree - it does sound English.), and 2) His name is often shortened to Pip (I don't remember if they used that in the show, or it's just a fandom thing), and I guess that makes people think of Great Expectations or something (or South Park:p). Also, Trottingham was mentioned in season one, but no one seems to remember that...

[Pike]

I hereby claim the 1000th reply in this thread for Pipsqueak!

http://images.wikia.com/mlp/images/c/c4/Pipsqueak_ID.png

BEST PONY.