2011-2012 English Football Season and STEWART DOWNING WHAT ON EARTH Thread [Archive] - Page 2

Psychotic

10-23-2011, 07:42 PM

The basis of us having money in the first place is because we started winning things 20 years ago. What did City do? History clearly means a lot less nowadays.Does your money come from actually winning things, ie, prize money, or does it come from being a global marketing brand like McDonald's or Sony? Who were Man United before Man United? Liverpool! Were the Liverpool of the 1970's and 80's raking in hundreds of millions of pounds from being a global brand and using those millions to buy players at ridiculous sums? I honestly wish football was commercialised back then as we'd probably still be in control now, and not be the mid-to-upper table team that I know and love.

The English Premium: A 2011 Transfer Price Index Review | Pay As You Play (http://transferpriceindex.com/2011/06/the-english-premium-a-2011-transfer-price-index-review/) here's a lovely article! It uses a transfer price index using inflation and whatnot. I don't really know the maths but it shows how relatively expensive a transfer is. What I do know is that the two most expensive English footballers are Wayne Rooney and Rio Ferdinand, who in today's money are worth £62m and £61m respectively. Next come Shearer and Wright-Phillips, and rounding off the top five is Michael Carrick at £41m. United have been doing this for years - hell, Andy Cole in 1995 is £33m today! (i wish we had bought that andy c instead of the one we have!) I imagine the foreign table will be topped by the likes of Veron and Van Nistelrooy too but I can't find it anywhere.

To me, finishing 3rd or 4th is all I hope for, perhaps a good cup run. The league? Ha ha, not on your life matey. What does it matter to me if the annual tonking is handed out to us by United, City or Chelsea? They're all teams that financially piss all over us and we have no hope of being able to compete with right now. If not in transfer fees, where we don't do terribly, then definitely in wages, which is also Arsenal's problem. Look how much money we've had to splurge on the likes of Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson just to keep up with sodding Spurs! I'm sure we could've bought someone better for that money, but underneath the surface could we afford their wages? I doubt it. And the funny thing is, we're supposed to be one of the richer clubs too, so I shudder to think how it is for the midtable and relegation teams. Other than Everton. Ha ha ha, smurf Everton! :D But yeah, you're all the same thing really, but at least City are somebody new.

Loony BoB

10-24-2011, 09:29 AM

I think it would be harsh to say it's unfair that City have money now. When you look at the Financial "Fair" Play rules coming in, we're still going to be able to spend more than any other club in Britain. Is that fair? Should we be the only ones entitled to spend x amount? I don't know the politics of it all (I suspect a massive chunk of the politics behind the ruling are based around two certain Spanish clubs, not British ones), but City have the right and they've taken that right and went with it. We have handled big spending clubs arising before and it will happen for all time. This is the way of things. Competitions without competition are pointless. It's up to us now to get six more points than City (and Chelsea etc) between now and the end of the season.

I hate that we lost. But I think that sometimes a big loss like that can lead to positive change, and I hope we see that. Starting with the procurement of natural fullbacks that know how to defend. Evra no longer does the latter (and in attack, to be honest, he's not the best - great for dribbles and one-twos but his assists are nowhere to be seen). Smalling is not a natural fullback and would have been better off in the position Evans was in. We need changes and for me, they need to be in the fullback positions above all else. We have amazing wingers, we out-possessed City before the sending off so our midfield should be okay (Cleverley, come back soon), our strike force is superb, we have enough central defenders to push Evans out (at least he can't play for three games now) and our keepers are good enough and will improve. Fullbacks. We need fullbacks.

It's not City's fault we lost, it's ours.

10-26-2011, 04:47 AM

The A to Z of Mario Balotelli (http://footballspeak.com/post/2011/10/24/The-A-to-Z-of-Mario-Balotelli.aspx)

J is for Jenny Thompson. The prostitute linked to Wayne Rooney in the media. Balotelli reportedly saw her in a Manchester restaurant (See, Tevez – Manchester does have restaurants) and started chanting “ROONEY! ROONEY! ROONEY!” at the top of his voice.

I cannot fully express in words how much I love this man. Never change, Super Mario. :heart:

Old Manus

10-26-2011, 09:04 AM

TAKE IT, TAKE IT, TAKE IT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SoDCkCDfzU)

Psychotic

10-26-2011, 06:28 PM

What a lovely London accent that Manchester United fan has.

Mario Ballotelli is my favourite non-Liverpool footballer. He has a reputation for trouble but that's plain wrong. He is simply not known for sleazy boozed up nights out where he fucks a prostitute or smashes someone's face in. He's just a delightful eccentric doing wacky stuff because he finds it fun. Love him.

Cuchulainn

10-27-2011, 01:43 AM

What a lovely London accent that Manchester United fan has..

You ain't exactly a Scouser now are you queen hypocrite?

Psychotic

10-27-2011, 07:10 PM

tbh I've been meaning to rant about the rampant racism at NTFC for some time and you gave me an excuse to do so.

Oh and as for Luis, behave yourself. There has been absolutely no proof that he's a racist. But hey sure let's take the word of a diving whining sack of bollocks like Evra over, say, hours of TV footage from multiple camera angles. Why not.

The Manchester derby was the biggest game of the season so far, of course I'm going to sodding talk about it. Everybody is. Still, a quick search of "Cuchulainn" using the word "Liverpool" proves you can dish it out but you just can't take it. My personal favourite was when your entire day was made by a draw. (http://forums.eyesonff.com/lounge/118880-english-football-thread-2008-2009-season-11.html#post2620202)

Loony BoB

10-27-2011, 08:32 PM

Stop trolling each other and focus on football, ya pair of WUM's. :p

Also, behave yourself. There is no more evidence that Evra is a sack of bollocks than there is evidence that Suarez is a racist.

Psychotic

10-27-2011, 08:41 PM

No Ashley Cole just made a statement to the FA saying that he is so there. :colbert:

Loony BoB

10-27-2011, 08:43 PM

When Ashley Cole says something, it is evidence to the contrary. And you know it!

Old Manus

10-27-2011, 08:56 PM

PS: Everton are the poorest club in the Premiership.Holy tit, they must be pretty damn poor to have overtaken the Swans.

EDIT: SHOCKINGLY UNSURPRISING NEWS STORY OF THE WEEK: PFA disagrees with Tevez's fine of four weeks wages and halves it to two. Well, it was the equivalent of hoping UNISON would take it on the chin if the nation's dinner ladies were to get sacked.

Psychotic

10-29-2011, 02:41 PM

Remember when Arsenal were shit? Those were the days, eh?

Old Manus

11-01-2011, 03:41 PM

Before I forget:

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RVPNazi.gif

Loony BoB

11-01-2011, 03:55 PM

Is that how the actual Nazi salute goes? I don't even know. But either way, to suggest he meant it as a genuine Nazi thing is quite funny from the media. Inevitable, but silly. They'll have to teach him a new way to salute the crowd sometime.

charliepanayi

11-01-2011, 06:15 PM

Psychotic

11-01-2011, 06:23 PM

A guy from the Netherlands doing a Nazi salute. As some people have commented, they'll be saying Benayoun is doing one next.

Not to worry Psy, despite recent form our defence isn't exactly looking world-class!There you are! I believe I owe you two months' worth of jibes and bluster about our glorious victory at the Emirates. I've had to make do with the United fans and it's just not the same.

And now, time for a rant on Luis Suarez.

smurf off Paul Scharner you talentless lump of crap. That was in no way a dive. You blocked him off and brought him down in the penalty area. Stop trying to ride the current anti-Suarez wave to mask your own inadequacies. (I am sure Mr. Scharner reads this thread) I think Luis has got better lately. No, really. I think Kenny's had a word. In the Stoke game he could've easily gone down and won a penalty when Woodgate went in on him, but he stayed on his feet and actually took a knock from that. When Scharner brought him down at the weekend, he didn't start screeching at the ref for a penalty but got back to his feet, ready to play again. The problem is that his reputation now proceeds him. Against Norwich he was denied a clear penalty, and now vs WBA we have some rather classless whining from the WBA playing and management staff. I don't expect sympathy for Luis Suarez here, or indeed anywhere, but as a Liverpool fan I am concerned that this cast iron belief that Suarez is a diver when he has seemingly changed his spots is not helpful.

ps: hope he dives to win a last minute penalty vs swansea at the weekend. :D

Loony BoB

11-01-2011, 07:06 PM

Your post reminds me of Kenny Dalglish saying "He's not a racist or a diver." I mean, if he said "He's not a racist" then the statement would at least have some credibility. :p I could point out that Nani changed his spots because he doesn't dive as often as he used to but he's still a diver and everyone knows it. You can't say Nani has changed his spots. You can say he doesn't dive as often as he used to. Two different things! Suarez is no more or less a diver than Nani is, and has not changed his ways for the better any more than Nani has. Not diving a few times just to dive later on? Diver! Runs at incredible speed and jumps over sliding two footed tackles? Diver! Footballer? Diver! :D

Psychotic

11-01-2011, 07:23 PM

Your post reminds me of Kenny DalglishNo higher compliment to give.

Cuchulainn

11-01-2011, 07:26 PM

COURSE it is not the 'Nazi' Salute he's doing (even though the German's borrowed it off Italian Fascists who stole it off a BELIEVED greeting from Ancient Rome so really it's not actually a Nazi Salute anyway so eveeryone needs to chill), however it's eternal fun to say it is to annoy Arsenal fans & Dutch people......and Nazis.

11-01-2011, 07:28 PM

Pauw's thread in GC about steve and pigs and donkeys and all that has made me think about our footballing heroes who are or can be named after animals. I think we should all endevour to try and put together a team of players with their animal nicknames, it will be a true world beater. We can even argue about formations and subs and all of that good stuff! Let me start off with a few I can think of.

Obvious choice #1:

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/birmmail/oct2010/8/9/emile-heskey-944129705.jpg

THE WHALE a.k.a Emile Heskey

#2:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jWNU8uRzINc/TDM34nyp1bI/AAAAAAAAEI8/JJbqleV70QY/s1600/6180_Goater1_bmp-550x0.jpg

The Goat a.k.a Shaun Goater. Feed the goat, he will score!

#3:

http://static.givemefootball.com/gmf/files/de/de83f0d8-c484-418c-9863-996d41456113.633572416560000000.jpg

The Donkey a.k.a Martin Keown. Could also be Tony Adams.

And so on. So far with already have an invincible front pair of Heskey and Goater, and a defender in Keown. Full backs and a midfield would be nice. Get to thinking, let's create our glorious Animal Kingdom FC.

edit: I should point out they don't have to be existing nicknames to qualify. Anyone you can think of who fits an animal nickname works as well, like THE WHALE for Heskey.

Psychotic

11-01-2011, 07:38 PM

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2009/1/19/1232390071925/Gareth-Southgate-001.jpg

The Sloth

http://warqaad.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ronaldinho3.jpg

The Rabbit

Old Manus

11-05-2011, 06:22 PM

Well, that was the best goalless draw I've seen in a long time. Nathan Dyer is a fucking football wizard, I can't see us keeping him after this season. Michel Vorm once again proved he's single handedly keeping us in the division. Frantic stuff in the last five minutes, but Sian Massey gets troll of the match for disallowing that goal right in front of the Liverpool fans. Haha, that was glorious.

Will Psychotic disappear until next week? WILL HE?

Psychotic

11-05-2011, 07:07 PM

Was indeed a good game. I demand Michael Vorm be dissected to prove that he is a machine or a demon or something because he is not human. The LFC players were just a pile of scrote today. Did not give any kind of a fuck. And even Luis fell off the wagon by the end of the game. We're going to come 7th!

Also yes I am going to quit the thread until the Jan transfer window now. I can't believe we lost to both Swansea and United in recent weeks. :( I think I used up all my football thread gloating points on the Arsenal game.

charliepanayi

11-11-2011, 10:13 PM

Well that's Ireland qualified for Euro 2012 then.

Psychotic

11-11-2011, 10:23 PM

But did they wear poppies though? They are undoubtedly criminal filth and the lowest form of life if they didn't. The Daily Mail and the Sun both say so, and when have those high quality newspaper establishments ever been wrong?

charliepanayi

11-12-2011, 07:29 PM

England unofficial world champions! It was the poppies wot won it.

charliepanayi

11-27-2011, 01:27 PM

Awful news about Gary Speed :(

Psychotic

11-27-2011, 06:23 PM

Truly a sad day for football. Gary Speed was one of those players who had been around forever, no fanfare or anything, just quietly and efficiently getting on with his job. A real shame. :(

In less serious news, god damnit! Why is it that every single game at Anfield the opposition keeper has pulled a smurfing ridiculous blinder of a game? De Gea, Ruddy, Vorm and now Hart. IT IS NOT ON :colbert: I could have total domination of the football thread if it wasn't for this! :argh: Lucas is some smurfing player though, I tell you. And I can't complain too much about giving City the biggest domestic battering they've had this season, 'cause even if we didn't win we were still all over them. Also fao: Super Mario: NEVER CHANGE. :love: Such a psychopath, I love him. Why always him?

Old Manus

11-27-2011, 07:43 PM

:(

Really put a downer on today's game, especially as the news came out literally around half an hour before kick off. It really hit home with the people of Wales, especially as we're so optimistic about the future what with the national team finally getting into some kind of threatening form (I've surely posted about it a few times). It really is gutting. I remember watching him play for Wales/Leeds when I was growing up and the pride that the nation had in him was phenomenal. Top marks to the Swans fans for turning the minute's silence into a spontaneous minute's applause and chorus of 'There's only one Gary Speed', his value to fans of football in south Wales was worth more than most. I don't even really want to watch MoTD today.

:(

EDIT: Also maximum respect to Shay Given, he played on despite clearly being so distressed before kickoff that he had to take a minute on the sidelines. All while scumbags like Carlos Tevez won't get off the bench for 250 grand a week.

Crop

11-28-2011, 02:16 AM

He had just been on Football Focus too and seemed totally normal, to think what was going on in his head :(
I was in total shock when my friend told me this morning, seemed such a nice guy and Wales were doing so well under him. I'm totally gutted.

In other news, thank you for holding City to a draw. It'll mean a lot when we lift that 20th title.

Psychotic

11-28-2011, 05:15 PM

You're welcome. It's a good thing you closed the gap by managing to win your game against Newc...oh. Oh.

Psychotic

12-02-2011, 05:59 PM

ALRIGHT, WHO'S GETTING EXCITED TO WATCH POLAND V GREECE?!?!?!? actually the worst opening game ever.

England didn't do too badly but I don't know if they'll make it out of the group. I know I'd rather be in a group with USA, Algeria and Slovenia than with Sweden, France and the hosts Ukraine, and we all know how easy it was to qualify from the first group...

charliepanayi

12-02-2011, 06:02 PM

Group A is poor, Group B is evil.

And Poland v Greece may be bad, but at least we don't have Ireland v Greece.

Old Manus

12-02-2011, 08:01 PM

England tend to fail miserably when they look anything but doomed from the start, so maybe with this slightly intermediate difficulty group...hmm.

After a lot of thought, I reckon that England will go out in the quarter final on penalties.

Cuchulainn

12-02-2011, 11:38 PM

We will DEFINATELY progress. Italy, EASY, Spain EASY, Croatia, WHO??

charliepanayi

12-03-2011, 09:55 AM

Cuchulainn's been possessed by the spirit of The Sun!

Psychotic

12-03-2011, 01:53 PM

Is there an Irish version of the Sun?

Who are you supporting anyway, in the aftermath of a shock qualifying disaster for Cyprus? I assume not Greece! And what about you BoB? If you say Spain so help me god... :argh: (don't mention me supporting them in 2008. It was before Fernando got fat and cheated on me)

charliepanayi

12-03-2011, 04:26 PM

I always like Italy and Germany in international tournaments, but I have no strong preferences. I just want to see some good games.

charliepanayi

12-04-2011, 03:09 PM

Man City v Man Utd in the FA Cup - ouch.

We got Leeds again?! Argh

Psychotic

12-07-2011, 09:56 PM

Loony BoB

12-07-2011, 10:02 PM

To quote my Facebook update...

Urgh, think I'd rather we'd just have gone out of Europe altogether. Don't like the idea of being part of the second string of European sides. Just a way for our players to get injured trying to win a cup that says "We're the best of the clubs that aren't in the top 16!" Sort of like thinking about Manchester United winning the Championship, really. But maybe that's just me!

Sucks being degraded to the level of Liverpool. Meet you guys in the Europa final? Or City. Or Stoke!

Psychotic

12-07-2011, 10:08 PM

What are you talking about? Liverpool aren't good enough to be in the Europa League!

ps: we won it 3 times. how many have you won it? :smug:

Loony BoB

12-07-2011, 10:12 PM

I don't even know, but I can only imagine we haven't won it 19 times yet.

Am I doing this right?

charliepanayi

12-07-2011, 10:14 PM

The list of group winners in the European Cup:

Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Benfica, Arsenal, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter . . . and Apoel Nicosia!

Psychotic

12-07-2011, 10:16 PM

your 19 times jibes are irrelevant to me because i support fc basle, fc barcelona and manchester city!

Loony BoB

12-07-2011, 10:21 PM

Bloody glory oh wait they didn't go through either. =|

My favourite line from the BBC updater tonight is definitely this, which maybe even Dan might manage at least a slight chuckle at.

Claud, A Happy Gooner via text: "Didnt Samir Nasri leave Arsenal to play European football at a higher level?"

12-07-2011, 10:22 PM

Fair play to Napoli really, can't complain too much about the way things turned out at the end of the day. Worst group to be in, we could have done better but we finished up with 10 points which isn't a bad result. Nice introduction to CL football for the team and hopefully we don't drop off horrifically after christmas and end up back next year, we'll be better off for it. Especially if we get a kinder draw in the group stages. Mind you we could just pull a United and get knocked out by a bunch of sunday league teams from lichtenstein or something anyway so who knows :shobon:

edit: I don't know why anyone would be surprised at us failing in Europe considering our transfer policy for the last two-three years has been "BUY ARSENAL'S ENTIRE SQUAD!!!" the only reason Arsenal went through to the knockout stages is because they aren't Arsenal anymore thanks to us. :colbert:

still a bunch of **** ****'s though :aimkiss:

Psychotic

12-07-2011, 10:29 PM

Loony BoB

12-07-2011, 10:31 PM

Poor little Nasri sitting on his pile of squillions, top of the Premier League and perhaps more importantly, in the last four of the Carling Cup. Arsenal being England's best team in Europe is kind of weeeeeeeeeeeird though. I suppose the natural order of things will be restored when City sign Van Persie in January.
Honestly would not be surprised now that Tevez is on the wander. Not sure if they could afford it though while remaining within FFP, although to be honest City should be safe until UEFA have the balls to put the boot to Barca and Real who are surely the biggest spenders even now.

12-07-2011, 10:33 PM

Even though it's blatantly inevitable, I would prefer if you didn't bring up the fact that Van Persie is going to be playing for City next month. I have got like 5 weeks left to enjoy my team without him in it, and I want to savour it while I can. :(

edit: it's been on the cards ever since the whole Tevez thing flared up. Wasn't surprising to me at all that Van Persie came out like 2 weeks later or something going on about how there is no need for him to sign a new contract at Arsenal, because he ain't staying at Arsenal. Soon as we fuck Tevez off to Milan/Brazil/wherever, that money is going straight on Van Rapist.

WHY CAN'T WE BUY SOME REPLACEMENTS FOR LESCOTT AND TOURE INSTEAD OH GOD :(

charliepanayi

12-07-2011, 10:36 PM

You'll get Van Persie in August and not a moment before! ;)

Psychotic

12-07-2011, 10:38 PM

Vermaelen is actually a pretty good CB, as well as having the bonus of being Kompany's Belgian partner at the back. Alternatively, you could take a punt on Koscielny, who is probably the second best. Stay clear of Djourou, Mertesacker and Squillaci though!

charliepanayi

12-07-2011, 10:42 PM

Mertesacker is a good player (you don't get 80 caps or so for Germany by being crap), the idea of lumping him in with Squillaci is very amusing.

12-07-2011, 10:42 PM

Christ. :(

Still, it could be worse.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2011/3/7/1299499014937/Andy-Carroll-007.jpg

Psychotic

12-07-2011, 10:46 PM

uhhhhh we're not your feeder club so hands off big Andy. He's going to Chelsea and nowhere else :colbert: Except possibly Doncaster Rovers or Brighton and Hove Albion.

Also Gerd Muller has 60+ Germany caps but I would say that right now Squillaci is a better footballer than he is. Gerd's still better than Diaby, mind.

12-07-2011, 10:51 PM

I still have not forgiven you or Dalglish for that bag of tit Fulham game. Especially Kenny.

http://assets.liverpoolfc.tv/uploads/training4_4ecfb8f75271b302120515.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/sickhappy/bigcolbert.gif

Crop

12-08-2011, 12:43 AM

Oh man, Europa League? How embarrassing, we're with the common folk now. I'd rather be out of Europe completely.

Bubba

12-08-2011, 03:17 PM

As a Man Utd fan, we didn't deserve to get out of that group. I actually thought City were quite unlucky not to go through... ten points is generally what you aim for to qualify.

I just hope we've sorted ourselves out by the time we visit the Etihad in January. We should chuck in a bid for Schneider in January... at least he won't be cup-tied for the mighty Europa League!

Loony BoB

12-08-2011, 06:26 PM

We should chuck in a bid for Schneider in January... at least he won't be cup-tied for the mighty Europa League!
Which is why he'll reject any possibility of moving to United until we're playing in the CL again, which means the summer transfer window.

Psychotic

12-08-2011, 06:34 PM

Look to Liverpool for inspiration and raid Newcastle! Sign Tiote and Cabaye and you'll be all set to be better than Spurs again! I don't know who it'll take for us to attain such a lofty perch though. Probably two new wingers (Ben Arfa and Marveaux). Oh and a striker who can score goals (Demba Ba). And a DM now that Lucas is crippled for life (On second thoughts, we'll take Tiote) At least we have the left-back position sorted - thanks, Newcastle! :jess:

Old Manus

12-10-2011, 05:12 PM

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Angel+Rangel+Michael+Vorm+Swansea+City+v+Wigan+cpeJBny_9bOl.jpg

MICHEL VORM, MY LORD, MICHEL VORM

EDIT: Rangel is doing in that picture exactly what I would be doing if I was near Vorm right now. Pulling the same face and everything. Vorm shrugs me off, as he is above the clamour of mere mortals.

Psychotic

12-10-2011, 05:40 PM

Vorm is indeed a hax bastard and I love him for being my FF team's GK all season. Incidentally I made a couple of transfers, only to be told I had bought too many Swansea players. Go figure. :shobon: Now Vorm is the only one again 'cause it messed up my delicate points balance, but I wanted Dyer, Williams and Sinclair. I didn't even think "Hey, these are all Swansea players" I just thought "Hey, these are all good players".

Oh, and given that Petr Cech is overrated and nowhere near the player he once was, your boy Michel will be at Chelsea this time next year. Merry Christmas :)

Old Manus

12-10-2011, 06:00 PM

:onoes:

EDIT: Something I found on /r/soccer (fuck you) and I thought was funny

http://imageshack.dk/imagesfree/QB308644.gif

Cuchulainn

12-15-2011, 08:15 PM

hey daniel towns, crop and cuchulainn i got a little song for you i think you may already know the words

man utd vs liverpool thursday nighs chaneal 5 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0vtRw-75ZY&feature=related)

STEVE BRUCE FOR UNITED MANAGER also god damn that kit of ours was atrocious

I'm pretty sure ITV4 has us, though not definate. Also go fuck yourself. Your lot were not even good enough to get in to the competition in the first place. I remember the Cup Winners Cup, this will be like nostalgia for me.

Psychotic

12-16-2011, 04:09 PM

I don't care about this anymore! It was sooooooooo last week! :roll2

Still, joking aside, for a competition that's meant to be a bag of bollocks contested between the likes of FC Groznyj Grad, Sporting Chernobyl and Stoke City, the English teams aren't exactly facing a bunch of minnows in Ajax, Porto and Valencia are they?

charliepanayi

12-16-2011, 08:24 PM

UEFA conspiracy! They want all the English teams out! *puts on tinfoil hat*

Bubba

12-17-2011, 11:38 AM

Old Manus

12-17-2011, 12:41 PM

Tempting fate by keeping Demba Ba as my fantasy captain this weekend.

Loony BoB

12-17-2011, 04:23 PM

Old Manus

12-17-2011, 04:56 PM

It worked. Howay the Swans

Bubba

12-17-2011, 11:34 PM

To be honest, looking at our injuries at the minute... I can't see Man Utd getting past Ajax. I know Ajax are not having the best season and are a little off the pace in their league... but I reckon they'd be well up for the scalp.
It's one thing to say "I can see us losing against Ajax" but to say "I can't see Man Utd getting past Ajax" is another thing. That's saying you can't see how we could win. Surely you watch football enough to know that a lesser team can always win, let alone a team that is only a couple of points off the pace in the Premier League. Have a little faith!

All I'm basing my opinion on is both clubs current position. Ajax are currently in 4th place and 8 points off the pace. Due to their prestigious history in European football I think they'll have an added incentive to win this tie. Utd on the other hand are feeling slightly embarrassed about performing in this competition. Plus, when you have injuries like we have then you struggle to compete in multiple competitions. Vidic, Rafael, Fabio, Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverley, Berbatov, Hernandez and Owen all out injured... people may call me a pessimist but I see myself more of a realist...

Loony BoB

12-18-2011, 05:23 PM

Ajax will want to remain in Europe and won't give up on that title this early on either. They are better than that.

"Vidic, Rafael, Fabio, Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverley, Berbatov, Hernandez and Owen all out injured"

Of those, all could be back outside of Vidic and Fletcher by the time we play in Europa League.

12-18-2011, 06:07 PM

What a fucking match, that was crazy. So happy, only wish we could have scored a couple more (and we should have, some poor final touches by Nasri and some chances missed). Still, that was awesome, really good. Loved it.

Dave Silva <3 Sergio Aguero <3 Super Mario <3 Joe Hart <3

Psychotic

12-20-2011, 08:11 PM

First Lucas, now this. That was a nice season folks, see you in 2012-2013 when it will surely be Our Year. Unless of course Big Andy Carroll can step up to the plate. ...:crying2:

Actually seriously, the team is set up around Suarez, and it utilises intelligent players like Maxi, Kuyt and Bellamy with amazing movement to help him out, which is why the traditional English players like Carroll and Downing haven't done well. Might be interesting to see if losing Luis helps Carroll flourish. ...:crying2:

e: damn, http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-fc-statement-8 the club are fucking sticking it to the FA.

Now watch English Lion John Terry get away scot free.

charliepanayi

12-20-2011, 09:37 PM

Suarez is the perfect person to throw the book at really, panto villain who has made a lot of enemies. As Psy says, don't expect John Terry to suffer a similarly harsh punishment.

fire_of_avalon

12-21-2011, 01:11 AM

DK said I could contribute a lot of good things to this thread, so I'm going to try my best.

Once I was hit in the groin/vulva by a soccer ball when we were playing in high school. But I made the block.

12-21-2011, 01:39 AM

That kind of lionhearted willingness to sacrifice oneself for the good of the team is exactly what our country looks for in a captain. Will you be the captain of the England team Megan? Please? John Terry is shit and an asshole.

fire_of_avalon

12-21-2011, 01:46 AM

How much does it pay?

Oh hell, i already know I'm gonna say yes.

12-21-2011, 01:51 AM

Well even though as already mentioned he is tit and an asshole the current captain is on $235,062.08 per week according to current exchange rates. You would be worth at least that much. More because you are not shit or an asshole. And you don't play for Chelsea which is even better.

Old Manus

12-21-2011, 01:59 PM

Terry too will get an 8 game ban, sure as the Swans will drop points at home to QPR on Monday. They have to be seen to be consistent, *~TRUE LION~* or not. Anton Ferdinand still isn't black though.

Loony BoB

12-21-2011, 02:10 PM

Don't even know what Terry is accused of calling Anton, but Terry is Terry is Terry. Was it Craig Bellamy? I think it was him that once described Terry pretty well in a TV interview or something. :p

charliepanayi

12-21-2011, 02:43 PM

Suarez banned, Terry facing charges, well at least now if Arsenal mess up tonight (and if we do we may as well give up on the top four, Villa are that bad) nobody in the press will notice much tomorrow.

Cuchulainn

12-24-2011, 05:53 PM

35385

Liverpool FC @ KKKlanfield

Rocket Edge

12-24-2011, 06:28 PM

Ok seriously - the treatment of Steve Kean is the worst I've seen a manager receive in the league. I actually think Blackburn have been very unlucky this season in the way games & decisions have gone.

Half way through the season, the EPL is shaping up to have a great climax to the end of the season. I still think United will win the league, but City are obviously a huge force. I dunno though, I don't get the same fear factor off them as I did when Mourinho was in Charge at Chelsea, or when Arsenal last won the league.

Just found this. For all the Emile Heskey fans out there. (http://youtu.be/0McFPYTCnXI)

Psychotic

12-24-2011, 06:39 PM

I don't think Kean has had the support he really needed from the board. He's obviously inexperienced but doing the best with the resources he has and I think the bile should be aimed more at Venky's than Kean.

Also you are an awful human being Donal. Emile Heskey is one of the greatest footballers of our generation :colbert: Me and Dan used to swap him and David James around on PES when we played online as England, and let me tell you Emile Heskey is one of the best goalkeepers I have ever seen, no foolin'. Definitely a better choice than Rob Green, although that is not saying much. I once actually managed to beat a pair of guys playing as Spain in a penalty shootout with Emile in goal. Will not hear a bad word said against the man.

12-24-2011, 06:43 PM

I've lost respect for you Donal, the Whale is the greatest footballing hero of our generation. :colbert: In 50 years time they will be talking about him in the same breath as the likes of Pele, Maradona and Cruyff. Also yes he is a fantastic goalkeeper. And fantastic human being. And just the best at everything ever. :doublecolbert:

Rocket Edge

12-24-2011, 07:36 PM

Ahaha the video only amplifies the magnificence of great man himself. Legendary stuff.

Old Manus

12-27-2011, 12:20 AM

What can I say Psy, it seems that Anfield just has that certain aura that makes even second-choice opposition goalkeepers play total blinders.

Psychotic

12-27-2011, 12:24 AM

That and the woodwork has some weird magnetic power to it that only works on leather. Or whatever the fuck hybrid carbonplastic that footballs are made of these days.

Rocket Edge

12-31-2011, 02:44 PM

Oh god...

Old Manus

12-31-2011, 05:52 PM

This is a night where I definitely want to watch MotD just to see what the hell occurred at Old Trafford, but it has to be New Years Eve. I'll just have to hope they have it on in the pub or something.

In other news, glory glory Brad Friedel :love: No but seriously, we dominated that game and should have taken three points in all honesty. I'll settle for a point though (there're no spurs fans on EoFF are there?).

EDIT: struggling to decide whether 'there're' is a word

Iceglow

12-31-2011, 10:14 PM

I have to say, as a long term Spurs fan that we've been playing so damn well this season and after today well Chelsea and Arsenal haven't got a chance. What's worse is the fact that with Arsenal you can actually smell Wenger's desperation in the fact that he has re-signed Thierry Henri who to be blunt hasn't been scoring great over in the American leagues and the yanks are nowhere compared to the brits in skill.

As for Man United today, oh dear that ruined the new year what with Six in the city (Man City mauling) and now this?

Rocket Edge

01-01-2012, 07:58 PM

Don-Won Ji!! Best smash & grab I've ever seen - I was jumping around the kitchen when it happened! Incredible!

charliepanayi

01-01-2012, 08:09 PM

Martin Tyler's commentary for Sunderland's goal had my family in hysterics.

Loony BoB

01-02-2012, 02:49 PM

Don-Won Ji!! Best smash & grab I've ever seen - I was jumping around the kitchen when it happened! Incredible!
Had been following the game on BBC's live updates, but decided to turn on Sky for the final few minutes. Needless to say, I'm glad I did! I was urging the players forward and it showed just how hard Sunderland had worked when I saw a midfielder running towards the City goal just to stop, put his hands on his knees and catch his breath. Lucky for him that Ji had it all covered. But yeah, so thankful that we're still level on points.

Bubba

01-02-2012, 05:32 PM

Just settling down for the Fulham v Arsenal game. Football has improved for me in the last 24 hours after the City result! Come on the reds at the Etihad next weekend!

01-08-2012, 01:32 PM

Even if we go on to lose this game (25 mins in or so now), I will be far, far less bothered about losing than I am about the fact that we've lost Kompany for 3 games through one of the straight up worst red cards I've ever seen in my life. Referee is a disgrace, Wayne is a disgrace for running over screaming at the referee until he gave a card for what was basically, a sick tackle. It says all that needs to be said when someone slides in on Nani, wins the ball and Nani just stays on his feet and plays on. xD Red card my arse. Joke decision, if that doesn't get turned over on appeal the FA can go smurf themselves.

edit: FOUR games because it's a second red of the season? well, enjoy the title united :smash: congratulations on paying off the ref successfully :aimkiss:

Psychotic

01-08-2012, 01:34 PM

Thierry Henry and Paul Scholes? Clearly it is time Kenny brought back a player better than both of them combined. I speak of none other than <s>Igor Biscan</s> Ian Rush.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/photobucketamazingness/IANRUSH2.jpg
He still has what it takes.

Club honours (all with Liverpool)

Winner

First Division 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1990
FA Cup 1986, 1989, 1992
League Cup 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1995
Charity Shield 1982, 1983, 1986, 1990, 1991
European Cup 1984

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/photobucketamazingness/b1.jpg
Sign him, Kenny. And get him a hat just like yours too.

Personal honours

PFA Young Player of the Year 1983
PFA Players' Player of the Year 1984
FWA Footballer of the Year 1984
European Golden Boot 1984
First Division top goalscorer 1984
Liverpool FC top goalscorer: 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/photobucketamazingness/ian-rush.jpg
The best day of my 8 year life.

Records

Second highest FA Cup scorer of all time, and highest in 20th century FA Cup with 44 goals (39 for Liverpool, 4 for Chester City, 1 for Newcastle United). Only Henry "Harry" Cursham of Notts County scored more – 49 goals between 1877 and 1888.
Record FA Cup Final goalscorer with 5 goals.
Joint record League Cup goalscorer with 49 goals (48 for Liverpool), shared with Sir Geoff Hurst.
First player to pick up 5 League Cup winners medals.
Record Welsh international goalscorer with 28 goals.
Record Liverpool goalscorer with 346 goals.
Third top goalscorer in League football for Liverpool with 229 goals, behind Roger Hunt (245 goals) and Gordon Hodgson (233 goals).
Record Merseyside derby goalscorer with 25 goals for Liverpool against Everton.
Record transfer sale for Chester City (£300,000).

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/photobucketamazingness/rush460.jpg
Is also a fantastic kisser.

charliepanayi

01-08-2012, 01:48 PM

Looks like poor old cyclist Chris Hoy is going to get more mistaken identity abuse again.

Bubba

01-08-2012, 01:58 PM

Both feet left the ground. I admit it was a bit harsh but you always run the risk when you tackle like that. A yellow would have been fair. I agree the ref has favoured us quite a bit. How Giggs wasn't booked I've no idea. Definite penalty though.

EDIT: A bit of an over-reaction, DK. Conceding the title? You've lost your best centre-half for 2 league games. We're without our best centre-half for the whole season. You're three points clear. Calm down, mate!

charliepanayi

01-08-2012, 02:27 PM

OK this is getting pretty fun now

01-08-2012, 02:40 PM

haha I'm not seriously giving up the title bubba, just jokingly venting frustration. one of those if you don't laugh you'll cry situations etc etc.

also, we did it to spurs. we can do it to united. 4-3 let's go

Psychotic

01-08-2012, 02:56 PM

why are none of you talking about ian rush?

01-08-2012, 02:59 PM

Because you focused on all the wrong things in your post. How could you not mention his moustache? plastic fan, glory hunter, worst person etc etc

Psychotic

01-08-2012, 03:02 PM

Look at the hat though :( Say something about the hat!

Old Manus

01-08-2012, 08:44 PM

Well, seeing as we're in the spirit of it...

http://img.skysports.com/09/10/218x298/Lee-Trundle-Swansea-City_2372041.jpg

We need a smurfing striker who doesn't always fall over after punting it straight at the keeper!

Heath

01-14-2012, 11:52 PM

I'm going to eschew my usual rants about how terrible Everton are and just say that the last match I went to was the Bolton game and I saw Tim Howard score. The crowd chanted 'USA' and I was party to that chanting.

Also, is it just me or does Ian Rush in this picture:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/photobucketamazingness/ian-rush.jpg

Look rather like the third Chuckle Brother?

Old Manus

01-15-2012, 12:19 AM

Oh God.

Crop

01-15-2012, 12:31 AM

Oh God.

I think you mean "Oh dear." "Oh dear oh dear." "Oh dear oh dear oh dear!"

Old Manus

01-15-2012, 06:36 PM

Jesus tap-dancing Christ I am a mental wreck. I thought I was going to have a nervous breakdown through those last five minutes (a silent one, because my throat pretty much surrendered itself after Graham's goal). I can't believe it, after all my years watching the Swans lose at home to Peterborough, we just beat Arsenal 3-2 and are in the top half of the Premier League. It may be the Hobgoblin but I feel pretty emotional right now.

01-15-2012, 06:55 PM

I've never felt so happy for a bunch of Welshmen in my life. Awesome.

Psychotic

01-15-2012, 07:08 PM

I like to think my forced support of Brendan eased the Swans over the line. :D

Not to be a patronising big club dick, it's a fucking awesome fairytale story isn't it? Norwich too actually. Football. It's good sometimes, isn't it?

Bubba

01-16-2012, 08:27 AM

Just seen the stats this morning that Swansea have got the sixth best 'passing success rate' in Europe! Just behind teams like Bayern, Man City and Real Madrid.

I think it was something like 85.7%. Level with AC Milan.

That is awesome.

Psychotic

01-16-2012, 04:20 PM

Yeah I saw that haha.

Also is it time we asked mr. charliepanayi why he did not include Spurs on the poll for this thread? :greenie: (And did include Liverpool. I mean come on man!)

Heath

01-17-2012, 07:24 PM

Yeah I saw that haha.

Also is it time we asked mr. charliepanayi why he did not include Spurs on the poll for this thread? :greenie: (And did include Liverpool. I mean come on man!)

And why he didn't include Ever-

I'm slightly surprised at how well Spurs have done this season - I would've thought 4th would be what they'd be hoping for.

My favourite bit of recent football news is the latest story about Mario Balotelli. Apparently today he went to the John Rylands Library in Manchester and asked library staff if he could pay all the overdue book fines currently owed by students. Unfortunately for students in Manchester, they politely declined his offer.

Old Manus

01-17-2012, 07:39 PM

Dear Student

Please be advised that your outstanding overdue fines for the publication Godel, Escher, Bach (taken out 18/03/09) have been returned to £0 following a charitable payment by a Mr M. Balotelli. He requested we pass on his best wishes and states that his reasoning is "Because I am rich".

You don't deserve it though, you manure supporting bastard.

Sincerely
Information Services

Psychotic

01-26-2012, 05:47 PM

Craig Bellamy is the most intelligent footballer I think I have ever seen. His movement and positioning are without compare. He's like a god damn fine wine, getting better with age. I love our little neckless Welshman. :love:

The Captain

01-28-2012, 04:47 PM

I swear, it's games like these that seal my love of the FA Cup.

So happy for Kuyt to finally get off the duck, happy Carroll contributed but I wanted to single out Martin Kelly in this game. He would be a week in, week out starter on just about any other club and so far has been getting just the scraps. However, watching him today reminded me how good he can be. Physical, tough, smart and for the most part, clean (All defenders do some dirty stuff). Great win.

Now if we could only just play like this against the bottom half of the table....

Take care all.

Psychotic

01-28-2012, 06:26 PM

Bit of a bad game! Still, based on today, Andy Carroll at £35m is better value for money than £19m David de Gea! I can't believe we finallly had an opposition keeper come to Anfield and not be immense. Even Mark Bunn had a blinder. Who the hell is Mark Bunn for fuck's sake! It's a strange feeling but I like it :D Also yeah Martin Kelly is a highly underrated player and I think he should start more often.

This has been an enjoyable week in what has been a relatively poor season. :)

Old Manus

01-29-2012, 12:51 AM

Another day, another incident of racial abuse at Klanfield

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Liverpool-fan-monkey-gesture.jpg

Bubba

01-30-2012, 12:31 PM

A bit gutted we couldn't come away with at least a draw against Liverpool on Saturday... especially after we dominated possession for most of the match. Fair play to them though for taking their chances (dodgy keeping aside). Not sure why Scholes was withdrawn, it meant Liverpool could push forward in the last 20 minutes and get the winner.

I really can't understand why Evra was booed throughout the entire match though... He gets racially abused by scumbag like Suarez then gets booed for it? The Liverpool team didn't help themselves by wearing those T-Shirts in support of Suarez. I understand they were just getting behind their team mate but considering what he had done... it just tarred them all with the same brush.

The booing of an opposition player is always going to happen, especially with a rivalry as fierce as this one. However, most intelligent people would realise how this is going to come across.

Old Manus' picture above is definitely unsettling. I know this is only one piece of shit scum in the Liverpool end but I guarantee there was a lot more of that going on. I'd like to think the majority of Liverpool fans don't hold views like this but on Saturdays evidence... maybe I'm wrong. I'm aware that racism is an issue for just about every club in English football... there's always a very small contingent who discriminate. However, if I had any association with Liverpool Football Club I would be deeply concerned about the level of discrimination portrayed by fans and players.

As a Man Utd fan, we have just as many issues as the next club. But scousers seem to operate on an entirely different level. Would rather be a filthy Manc than a racist scum scouser any day of the week.

Rocket Edge

01-30-2012, 05:20 PM

That picture is indeed unsettling. Kids there are treated seeing grown men spew hatred & racist abuse and will feel encouraged to do the same, because you know, he's a Man U player. If the roles were reversed I'm sure you would have members of the United fans doing the same. It's a sad fact.

It was bizarre a while back when they wore the t-shirts of support for Suarez. To me it sent a horrible message. 'We will defend our player even though he is yet to be sanctioned for racist abuse'. What got me is that Dalglish didn't have a clue whether or not Suarez was guilty or not, yet he adamently supported him. If I was in his stance I would wait and see what the outcome was before publicly defending him. When the evidence was released it was really awkward hearing him speak afterwards saying there should be guidelines for what should be acceptible to say on the pitch, & that people were taking up the support in the wrong context.

As for the game, it was a tough loss, but that's the way football can go. We played really well I thought, but still came away with a loss. Another day we'd play horribly & win.

Psychotic

01-30-2012, 05:22 PM

01-30-2012, 05:30 PM

When I saw the picture Old Manus posted I hadn't read the post and just saw the picture at a glance, and immediately assumed it was like, a picture of a Swansea game on TV that he'd gone to and been caught on camera in the crowd and I was looking for a welsh guy that looked like Bez from the Happy Mondays, and it took me a while to realise what was actually going on. I kind of thought he was the gimpy looking dude with the fur hood on but something didn't seem quite right. And now I know why. :shobon:

Psychotic

01-30-2012, 05:35 PM

Monkey guy was actually Welsh, so it may well have been our boy Manus!

Old Manus

01-30-2012, 07:43 PM

Making monkey noises isn't my style. I just go to the game in blackface.

Rocket Edge

02-01-2012, 02:29 PM

evra has one old bloke act like a monkey at him and gets booed; EoFF outraged.

anton ferdinand gets sent death threats including a bullet; EoFF does not care.

ho hum.

And I don't think the liverpool end were the ones singing offensive songs about koreans and their dietary preferences but I could be wrong. :greenie:

Racism in all forms is abhorrent, the monkey guy is vermin and I'm glad he's going to be banned. The fans who booed Evra are twats. I am finding it very hard to support my football club right now, especially when it was stuff like this (albeit worse) that soured me from supporting my hometown team. But seriously now, the perpetrators of the acts at Liverpool have been punished, either via a suspension or in the case of fans, being banned for life. I get the feeling this has now boiled down to football tribalism. When you apply double standards to Liverpool and use it as a chance to take shots at a rival team, it's only fuelling it and making it worse.
The topic at hand Evra & Liverpool. AF's case is worse definitely. Its also a real head-scratcher. How you can be racially abused, then get sent death threats while doing nothing in the first place is beyond me. I'm sure he will get boo'ed when he eventually goes to stamford bridge. Wayne Bridge was the same. Craig Bellamy said it best when he described JT in otherwords as a class A prick. Whats worse is this guy is mean't to the the countries captain. wtf is he going to say to the likes of Rio for instance when he partners him in defence?

As for the chants - it goes on everywhere, just like racism. There is just scumbags in every corner of the planet.

Cuchulainn

02-02-2012, 09:12 PM

Psychotic

02-02-2012, 09:22 PM

Look, cuch, I don't think you know how our relationship works. The whole point is that I say something about Man United or Ireland being tit and then you fly off the handle at me. I just don't think it's going to work the other way around. I'm willing to give it a go and start ranting and raving like only a 30 something man who posts on a FF forum can, but I really don't think we'll be able to capture the same chemistry that we've got going on now.

yes sir I see your signature is very accurate. You are quite clearly pushing the boundaries with your edgy KKK jokes. You english :bou::bou::bou::bou: i want to make you eat sausage sandwichs you wee smurf :bou::bou::bou::bou: poo.

Cuchulainn

02-03-2012, 11:21 AM

SucKKK my CocKKK

Btw: I've never once been pissed off by a single solitary thing you've ever said. So if you're mission is to troll me, you're doing it wrong kid.

Loony BoB

02-03-2012, 01:36 PM

Alright boys, back to following the rules of the forums now before I'm obligated to make a serious warning for things like surrounding english BOU's and cock suckage. This thread isn't exempt.

Hollycat

02-03-2012, 11:04 PM

someday either the united states is going to have to rename football something else or everywhere else will have to rename football soccer.

Loony BoB

02-04-2012, 10:10 AM

Sort of like how after many years, the residents of Germany and Japan gave up and stopped calling them Deutschland / Nippon, right?

Old Manus

02-04-2012, 01:32 PM

The yanks have already taken the Wikipedia page for football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28soccer%29) and are insisting it be called 'Association football' because that's what it says in some 200 year old manuscript, ignoring the fact that everyone else in the world simply calls it 'football'.

Bubba

02-04-2012, 01:45 PM

The yanks have already taken the Wikipedia page for football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(soccer)) and are insisting it be called 'Association football' because that's what it says in some 200 year old manuscript, ignoring the fact that everyone else in the world simply calls it 'football'.

Yes but what you are forgetting the American attitude to sport. Anything outside of America that is referred to as a sport does not actually exist.

Psychotic

02-08-2012, 07:54 PM

Bravo English media you've done it again. One of the best managers in the world has been ousted and we're going to get a lump faced barrow boy for our manager. A rousing success.

I hope Rafael Benitez applies. No, just listen! His strength was knock out cup competitions and getting the most out of god awful tactically inept players (Djimi Traore has a Champions League winner's medal) which is ideal for England. Meanwhile his weakness was spunking transfer fees on crappy players and being abysmal in the league. It's all good!

charliepanayi

02-08-2012, 07:59 PM

Bravo English media you've done it again. One of the best managers in the world has been ousted and we're going to get a lump faced barrow boy for our manager. A rousing success.

And they've caused me to agree with something you say - the swines! The press can congratulate themselves on hounding out yet another manager - we can look forward to smugness all roundfrom them until the next tournament flop. But what matters of course is that the manager is ENGLISH, eh.

Psychotic

02-08-2012, 08:19 PM

I wonder if the media would tolerate Mourinho as England manager. He'd be the only one who they'd even remotely consider. Please. Oh god. :(

02-08-2012, 08:22 PM

When was the last time an English manager won the top league in the country? Or any high rated country for that matter? I have no idea what this fascination with having an English Manager running England, especially when they're all mediocre. Hell going by the premier league winners we want a Scot in charge. Who's free?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05/05/article-0-026756FE0000044D-28_306x423.jpg

Say whatever the fuck you want, I'd take him over 'Arry. :colbert: Can you imagine what's going to happen at the Euro's if he's in charge?

"Ah Meester Redknapp, England eh, I am fan, you know, telewision show, del boy, rodney yes? ha, ha!"

"no no fack off i'm not a wheeler dealer i'm not a trotter fack off"

he is a disgrace god damn it. you know what fuck it BIG SAM FOR ENGLAND

Psychotic

02-08-2012, 08:28 PM

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/photobucketamazingness/Liverpool-manager-Kenny-Dalglish-insists-Roy-Hodgson-has-nothing-to-prove-against-the-Reds-60830.jpg

He was capable of winning the league you know.

charliepanayi

02-08-2012, 08:30 PM

O'Neill is good but is just starting at Sunderland now, and would probably have been too sensible to take the job anyway.

Last English manager to win the title over here was Howard Wilkinson in 1992.

02-08-2012, 08:38 PM

On a serious note, Stuart Pearce. I know what your initial reaction will probably be but hear me out:

- He's been the U21 manager for years now. Taken the team to the semis and the finals of the last two U21 International comps, so he will know the international format better than any other English manager out there at the moment and has some kind of track record at least.
- Following on from that, it's pretty widely accepted that the England team is full of crinkly old decrepit useless farts who need to get the boot. Who else knows the next breed better than Pearce? Will be able to blood the young guys in much better than anyone else out there.
- As I said is English, and more importantly was an iconic England player. At the very least the media would probably swing on his nuts until the tournament is done.
- If anyone is going to be able to deal with big ego having football ponces as well as or better than Capello it's going to be Pearce. His nickname is Psycho for fucks sake. Who is going to intimidate him? Would slap fat Wayne in his face and then backhand his grandma for a laugh probably.

Rather Psycho than most the other turds out there, imho.

charliepanayi

02-08-2012, 08:50 PM

https://p.twimg.com/AlKBOB5CAAA7guc.jpg

Old Manus

02-08-2012, 11:01 PM

Stuart Pearce is the logical choice but he's running the Olympic team. Bet he feels like the kid who spent all his money on Pokemon cards only to find that Pogs were back in fashion the next day. It's Harry faahkiin Redknapp time!

All together now!

Stick a pony in me pocket - *shot*

Crop

02-08-2012, 11:41 PM

I'm gutted Capello has gone, I thought he was a great manager.

I honestly don't know why everyone is raving for an English manager too, they're all crap. I thought that was the reason that after the awful performance from Mclaren we got in a Johnny Foreigner....who did a great job too. No one seems to mention the fact that the last English manager was so crap either.
I just hope whoever the next manager is continues to do what Fabio was starting to do and get out all those old farts who keep hooking up with prostitutes and each others wives and bring in some of the young guys (who are looking pretty decent).

I just hope to god it isn't Redknapp, bring on Stuart Pearce any day.

Loony BoB

02-09-2012, 03:42 PM

Could always bring back Sven, he at least got you lot through to the knockout stages every time, didn't he? I forget.

Pearce or Redknapp would do the job well enough, I reckon. Redknapp would for me be the best bet, if only because he's all buddy-buddy with so much of the media that he'll be better suited to handle the English press, which for me seems to be the primary job of the England manager.

charliepanayi

02-09-2012, 08:47 PM

It doesn't matter how buddy-buddy you are with the press though, if you're England manager they'll turn on you in the end.

Old Manus

02-09-2012, 10:27 PM

There are whispers about Brendan Rodgers taking being poached by Spurs should Redknapp get the England job. Even though he just signed a new contract, I feel that this could be game over for the Swans if it happens :cry:

02-10-2012, 02:40 AM

charliepanayi

02-10-2012, 09:53 AM

There's going to be a lot of managerial horse-trading this summer it seems.

Psychotic

02-11-2012, 01:45 PM

Luis Suarez you smurfing idiot why didn't you shake the man's hand. I think Luis has to go in the Summer. We can't carry on like this.

Still, this was pretty genius. Knowing Evra is going to try to kill him he shoves Rio Ferdinand in the way instead and it is one of the funniest things I have seen in football:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/photobucketamazingness/s4064h.gif

Rio would've fit in well with Kuyt, Spearing, Adam, Suarez etc. in our team of ugly smurfers before he took that faceplant. He could be our star player now!

edit: boooo! we were shit and deserved to lose so :monster: fair play to evra for that comedy trolling at the end too, I think he won the troll war.

Bubba

02-11-2012, 03:14 PM

Just proves that Suarez is bad news. All it would have taken is a simple handshake and everything could have just been forgotten. I don't think he'll be leaving Anfield any time soon though. As much as he is a cock, just like Craig Bellamy, they're both fantastic footballers.

I think we definitely deserved it today. Just hope Villa can do us a favour tomorrow afternoon.

Enjoy your evening, Patrice!

Loony BoB

02-11-2012, 03:26 PM

The backdrop was always going to lead to a tricky event or two in the game but I'm happy with the game itself. We played well and were unlucky to concede a goal, and could have scored more.

Psychotic

02-11-2012, 03:33 PM

As much as he is a cock, just like Craig Bellamy, they're both fantastic footballers. Naaawww. Suarez is a cock for sure, but I feel it's unfair to lump Craig in with him. Yeah he gives it a bit of mouth on the pitch but have a read http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2093999/Craig-Bellamy-Dealing-Gary-Speeds-death-donating-1-2m-African-football-school.html he's not a bad guy deep down imho. (Yes I know, Daily Mail!)

Rocket Edge

02-11-2012, 03:38 PM

^ Aside from the odd harmless spat, Bellamy has been nothing but a great example to any young footballer.

Can't believe what happened in that game. Fergie said in the post match interview that Evra had said to him before the game that he would shake Suarez hand, kinda like a truce. To say that Suarez was the one in the wrong and still neglects to shake Evra's hand labels him as an absolute disgrace to football. He could have easily started a riot between the fans.

I am not being biased here when I say there was little wrong with Evra celebrating in the end. It was a massive game they won and he was celebrating with the home fans, there is nothing bad about that. It wasn't as if he ran down to the Liverpool end and started dancing.

As for Kenny Daglish? A very blinded man. He says he never seen the non-handshake. He also backs Suarez still. :confused: Also, has he ever directly answer a question given to him? A firm no.

Psychotic

02-11-2012, 03:44 PM

I agree 100% with everything you said there Donal. Nothing wrong with what Evra did even if I did not enjoy seeing it!

I thought Kenny was being sarcastic about not seeing the handshake debacle though. I think he just hates answering questions about drama and prefers to talk about the actual football. I could be wrong though.

Rocket Edge

02-11-2012, 04:00 PM

Yeah your probably right. I'm sure he is sick to the teeth of hearing about Suarez and all the drama that has gone on with it. One thing is for certain though, Suarez has done no favours for his manager throughout all of this.

Bubba

02-11-2012, 04:12 PM

I agree, Psy, that Bellamy is not in the same league as Suarez... but he's still a cock. My best friend met him in Glasgow when he was on loan at Celtic and 'cock' is the perfect description for him.

I don't dispute some of the work he's done around the world. I think that is absolutely fantastic. The amount of money that footballers make there should be a lot more of his generosity. That still doesn't mean he's particularly pleasant face-to-face.

"Odd harmless Spat" eh, Rocket Edge? I'm sorry, but I don't think that attacking girls in nightclubs, throwing chairs at assistant managers and attacking a team mate with a golf club can be described as a harmless spat.

I agree with you about King Kenny though... looks like he's got blinders on to the world.

Psychotic

02-11-2012, 05:49 PM

To be fair, it was John Arne Riise he battered with a golfclub. How many of us can honestly say we'd never do the same after seeing him belt another 40 yard shot into Row Z?

Old Manus

02-11-2012, 05:56 PM

Oh my God how many chances should we have buried to level it in those last two minutes.

Norwich deserved the win though, our defence was leakier than me that time I had chlamydia. I can't understand how they do it. Looking at their players, they just seem so average, yet do everything right. They even beat us with posession in the first half.

Cuchulainn

02-11-2012, 07:04 PM

i think the handshake at the start between players should have been cancelled. none of this would have happened. in saying that suarez really is a disgusting excuse for a human. Liverpool FC have been greatly damaged by the circus surrounding him.

PS: Bellamy's annoying, but that's it. Great attitude on the grass (as long as its not a golf course).

Loony BoB

02-11-2012, 07:30 PM

Bellamy is at least honest about what he does. Suarez is a bit... slimier, you know what I mean?

I disagree with cancelling handshakes. If you are going to play against another player for millions per year, you should be able to shake their hand at the start of the match in an agreement to playing against each other fairly (as that is what the pre-match handshakes are about). If you can't respect each other on that basic a level, then you shouldn't be playing against each other. Whoever declines the handshake should just not play.

The Captain

02-11-2012, 07:36 PM

Just plain stupid. That best describes what Suarez did. I love though how now there is a conspiracy theory being circulated that Evra actually faked-out Suarez by pulling his hand away at the last moment to MAKE Suarez miss him. Even if that's the case, it was a disgrace.

I really think that if they get a good offer for him in the summer, say from Real Madrid, they should take it. He has had a history of problems on the field and this latest episode only highlights it. Sell him, however, for a legit football reason as well: He doesn't score enough. He is wonderfully tricky on the ball and has loads of talent but he has missed so many chances this season. Liverpool all season have been really poor in the final third and he has been chief among the culprits.

Also, please stop playing Downing for a while. With each game he shows less and less ability. It is clear he has hit some sort of wall of confidence and literally did nothing all game save for give the ball away time and time again.

Finally, can someone please remind "Sir" Alex that unless he wants to go through all the sordid history HIS players have been through, from Keane to Rooney to Giggs, he should probably refrain from passing judgment on anyone else's.

At this point, I think Liverpool should really focus in and try to win the double with the FA and Carling Cup. Top 4 really looks a pipe dream unless they get things together. Though, to be honest, Chelsea have looked awful, Arsenal are up and down and I don't really believe in Newcastle, so maybe we still have an outside chance, but I'm more looking for some Cup wins over Champions league as the most realistic goals at this point. Also, you know, actual goals, might be a good thing to get a few more of too.

Take care all.

Psychotic

02-12-2012, 12:24 PM

Yeah Downing has been an extreme disappointment. For someone with all that Premiership and England experience and who is meant to be in the prime of his career he has not performed anywhere near to the standards that he should be.

As for Fergie, he knows what he's doing. He likely does not give the slightest of fucks about what happened out there. He's a master of the media and he's using gamesmanship to unsettle the team he always acknowledges as his club's biggest rival. I salute the man because it has worked. But when you look at it objectively, failing to shake a man's hand is hardly on a level with, say, running up to someone in the crowd and kicking them in the head, and you didn't see him getting rid of Cantona.

Psychotic

02-12-2012, 12:24 PM

Crop

02-12-2012, 12:55 PM

I agree, Psy, that Bellamy is not in the same league as Suarez... but he's still a cock. My best friend met him in Glasgow when he was on loan at Celtic and 'cock' is the perfect description for him.

I met him before too in Cardiff, and even accidently spilled water on him, and he was alright with me, just joking around...that said he was with his family.

As for the whole Suarez thing, it's all well and good saying "there should have been no handshake" but the fact is that there was, and he should have took it. If he had this would all be over now. Also Kenny's awful handling of it at the end didn't help much either.
But with regards to the game, I enjoyed it. I thought Utd played well with even Ferdinand putting in a great performance (that knock on the face obviously helped), a well won game.

Rocket Edge

02-12-2012, 01:48 PM

"Odd harmless Spat" eh, Rocket Edge? I'm sorry, but I don't think that attacking girls in nightclubs, throwing chairs at assistant managers and attacking a team mate with a golf club can be described as a harmless spat.

I agree with you about King Kenny though... looks like he's got blinders on to the world.
Well I know all that but his heart is in the right place if you get me. :monster:

Bellamy is at least honest about what he does. Suarez is a bit... slimier, you know what I mean?

I disagree with cancelling handshakes. If you are going to play against another player for millions per year, you should be able to shake their hand at the start of the match in an agreement to playing against each other fairly (as that is what the pre-match handshakes are about). If you can't respect each other on that basic a level, then you shouldn't be playing against each other. Whoever declines the handshake should just not play.
I agree. Cancelling handshakes is a way of saying to everyone that we have failed when it came to fair play. Just because the likes of JT and his mishaps we shouldn't neglect the thousands of handshakes that have gone on before the game. Besides, it's an extra bit of drama to a game, nothing wrong with that!

Finally, can someone please remind "Sir" Alex that unless he wants to go through all the sordid history HIS players have been through, from Keane to Rooney to Giggs, he should probably refrain from passing judgment on anyone else's.
Rooney and Giggs have turned out to be not the greatest of role models yes, but their controversies happened outside of football. It's harsh putting blame on Fergie when he hasn't had to deal with these things directly. As for Keane, the man was a bit of a lunatic, but he's a good man at the end of the day ala Craig Bellamy. He hasn't done anything apart from a bad tackle or mental moment to warrant him a bad person.

Psychotic

02-12-2012, 01:56 PM

Speaking of, I love watching Roy Keane if he's on telly with Adrian Chiles. He gives Chiles these dark looks like he wants to break every bone in his face, and you get the feeling Chiles notices it and feels really uncomfortable.

On a related note, I never thought I would find myself saying this, but Gary Neville is a brilliant pundit, possibly the best in English football right now. When he got hired I was like "Oh here we go :roll2" expecting him to basically fellate Ferguson every week while accusing Liverpool of all the lovely things Man Utd fans love to accuse Liverpool of being, but he has been objective and his comments and analysis have been very incisive and enlightening.

Rocket Edge

02-12-2012, 02:04 PM

Yeah myself and my brother were having the same discussion yesterday, I completely agree. He's a very comfortable talker (listening Jamie Redknapp?) who isn't afraid to speak his mind, something that is missing from English punditry. Double 0 Souness is another example of someone who isn't afraid to be honest. It's different over here, just listen to this (http://youtu.be/_iBDlJEabiI), but the circumstances are obviously different because we are a smaller nation and we are the spectators at the end of the day.

Old Manus

02-13-2012, 10:46 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17019634

Between John Terry, Luis Suarez and now the return of Carlos 'how do i PR' Tevez, I DON'T KNOW WHO TO HATE ANYMORE!

Also, from the article:

Total loss of earnings: about £9.3m Holy hell.

charliepanayi

02-13-2012, 10:59 PM

Terry is by miles the worst out of those three.

Bubba

02-26-2012, 03:49 PM

Giggsy!!!!

City still look favourites but we aren't giving up without a fight. Just need a nice defeat for the scousers and it's the perfect day!

Rocket Edge

02-26-2012, 07:18 PM

It is amazing to say two players who are near 40 years of age gave us the victory today. Giggs scores on his 900th league appearance, kudos :up:

Psychotic

02-26-2012, 07:24 PM

Oof, smurf me. Why do Liverpool never win finals the easy way? I think that's the fifth I've seen go to extra time now, and smurf knows how many where we've come from behind. People may say "Oh it was only Cardiff" (which would be a big disservice to them) but we beat Stoke, Chelsea and Man City on the way here, all three in away games, so it was well smurfing earned.

Stewart Downing MOTM. And he deserved it. I... I... wha? :confused: how on earth did he manage that.

Also Skrtel shoving Charlie Adam out of the way when he ran away to celebrate is one of the funniest things I have seen.

Also also I enjoyed seeing Stevie G, Andy Carroll, and Stewart Downing all say "fuck off" on national TV. :)

Rocket Edge

02-26-2012, 07:33 PM

I agree. Downing didn't put a foot wrong all match. The people who belittle Cardiff are haters, they were there for a reason. I felt sorry for them in the end I must say being so close. Also, why on earth isn't Bellamy starting? Seriously he is probably Liverpool's best player. Apart from a few Liverpool players (oh, you know) who I dislike, players who have been there for years deserved some silverware.

The Captain

02-26-2012, 07:44 PM

WOW!

All credit to Cardiff who were brave, tough and wouldn't die. When Dirk put that goal in, I thought they had sealed it but Cardiff continued to fight and scored a crazy goal to set up that finish.

As for the PK's, it was clear half the players were out of gas, especially one Charlie Adam, and I was surprised that Bellamy didn't take one of the kicks, but boy, what a way to end, with a Gerrard winning it for Liverpool.

Congrats King Kenny, congrats Liverpool, let's hope this is the start to a big spring and summer.

Take care all.

Psychotic

02-26-2012, 07:49 PM

Apart from a few Liverpool players (oh, you know) who I dislike, players who have been there for years deserved some silverware.I couldn't agree more. Dirk Kuyt has been an incredible servant to the club, has always put in a hell of a shift and scored in a Champions League final which we lost. There are few who deserve a medal more than that man. Honourable mentions to Skrtel and Agger too in that regard.

Crop

02-26-2012, 08:29 PM

Being a Utd and Swansea fan (despite living in Barry) I was unsure of which way I wanted this to go, and was just watching it for a good game. When Kuyt scored though I realised I was probably leaning towards Cardiff slightly, but either way it was a great game.
I would say Liverpool deserved the win despite a fantastic performance from Cardiff who never let it end for them.

Between that, the Arsenal v Spurs game AND the last gasp winner from Giggs that cheered me up to no end it was an excellent day of football.

Loony BoB

02-27-2012, 02:00 PM

In the battle of Tom Heaton vs. Liverpool & The Kitchen Sink, there was only one side I was going to support and there was only one side I knew would inevitably win, but with 39 shots at goal and 19 of them on target, I think he can come away feeling that he did what he could. I tuned in just before Kuyt was subbed on and immediately thought "Shit, Kuyt with fresh legs will swamp a bunch of severely tired Cardiff defenders" and sadly I was not wrong, but I was delighted when they got one back. Both Gerrards fluff their penalties but I'd say that the scuff from one of the previous players where the ball just bobbled slowly towards goal was the worst of them. And Kenny Miller, even if you are overrated, you should still be able to slot a penalty in. All my mates constantly go on about how Rangers and Celtic get so many penalties, so he must have had a buttload of practice by now!

Hollycat

02-29-2012, 07:00 PM

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Anybody wanna play handegg?

Old Manus

02-29-2012, 11:00 PM

Okay, here's a post-game analysis from a pseudo-'Johnny Foreigner' who sat watching that game (Eng Holland that is, maximum respect to Gary Speed but I'd rather watch pub football than Costa smurfing Rica) with a perplexed look on his face as he listened to ITV complimenting England's performance when they were 2-0 down and being outplayed:

I said before the game that the best thing for England would be for them to get absolutely murdered by Holland at home so everybody gets real and realises that England aren't very good because they have rubbish players and not because of a manager who can't speak English or because John Terry is captain. The worst thing that could have happened was what almost happened, where England came from absolutely nowhere to save the game and return home as ~PROUD LIONS~ who held the previous World Cup finalists in a battling display of british spirit. No, that performance was just tit and 2-3 was flattering.

I know what they were trying to do. Stuart Pearce was shouting it from the touchline - work the ball up the field and "don't go long". What actually happened was they would work the ball up as far as just inside their half, knock it to Scott Parker, who turns around, gets closed down and just passes it back. Nobody was coming short to collect it, and they'd knock it around for a while before one of them (usually Gareth Barry) would get bored and hoof it upfield in the general direction of Danny Welbeck where it would either meet with a dutch head or go straight out for a throw.

They reminded me of Swansea at the start of the season when we were struggling to score. They didn't want to play long ball but the link up play was poor because the players just weren't used to playing together and hadn't built up the huge amount of trust it takes in your team to play the short passing game. They constantly ran out of ideas and just got rid of the ball quickly before they could end up cocking it up themselves.

That's not to say it was the only reason why it didn't work. England's passing to night was smurfing woeful. Elephant passes bumping off shins, passing it into touch, overhitting through balls, I don't think they strung more than four passes together the whole match. They just couldn't do it, they lack the technique and ball control (I actually laughed out loud when Parker tripped over his own feet and set Robben through on goal late on).

Holland didn't play very well either. Robben and Kuyt won that game almost single-handedly and their passing in general was almost as bad as England's, but they at least went forward with some kind of conviction and idea of what to do with the ball.

But ignore everything I said, I'm just narked that no-hopers like Gareth Barry and Adam Johnson who I don't think has played a full game all season (and has a number of appearances I could count on my hands) are permanent callups while Nathan Dyer isn't even considered. Frazier smurfing Campbell?

Verdict: England are not going to win anything anytime soon and will not get out of the groups in E2012 if they play like that

Player Ratings:

Hart: 7/10 Didn't have much to do, not at fault for either goal
Richards: 6/10 Robben styled all over him in the first half, fairly solid otherwise
Baines: 6/10 Made a few zippy runs that went a few strides before he lost the ball
Cahill: 7/10 Offside for the goal, one of the more encouraging displays
Smalling: 5/10 Not good enough for this level
Johnson A: 6/10 No penetration with his runs, wishful crosses
Sturridge: 6/10 Didn't do much, no idea how he got 'man of the match', should have scored
Barry: 5/10 Why is this guy in the team?
Milner: 4/10 Woeful. Lost the ball every time he recieved it, would have got red carded for a studs-up tackle had it been EPL
Young: 7/10 Only player that looked like scoring
Parker: 7/10 Made some last ditch blocks, fell over his own legs
Welbeck: 6/10 Offered little, was alone up front to 'hold up the ball', but couldn't do it

Crop

03-01-2012, 12:48 AM

sat watching that game with a perplexed look on his face as he listened to ITV complimenting England's performance when they were 2-0 down and being outplayed:

What, have you never watched any England game ever?

I got so tired of watching the football that I ended up just having it on in the background while I played Yahtzee. Ever since seeing the stick Capello got, and seeing him forced out....sorry 'mutually left' I've gone off watching England play somewhat.

Psychotic

03-01-2012, 05:35 PM

Thanks Old Manus I am glad I didn't have to watch that game now. So basically, England: Still worthless? Rightio. Brave Scotty Parker, True Lion of England was a funny choice for captain. Yes, alright Daniel, the media have been jizzing all over him the past 12 months and that of course makes him A World Class Player. I've never disliked Scotty P, don't get me wrong, but captain? Media pandering. You need someone with more international and European experience to lead the team. He's played what, 10 international games and 17 in Europe? Eh. And no not Stevie G either, I want him to retire from international football.

Wait for it...

ASHLEY COLE. :greenie:

Utter sackfuls of experience. Made a bunch of Arsenal fans cry. Is the only player in the GOLDEN GENERATION to actually not play like a bag of balls in an England shirt.

The Captain

03-01-2012, 07:06 PM

Just give it to Joe Hart and move on. Frankly, I don't see at all what the big deal is over this. Would giving one player the Captaincy over another actually make the team better? No, it wouldn't.

In other news, USA, USA USA! Great win for us over a team that we have struggled to beat. Dempsey has proven himself to be a world class player, not just for America but for any country. Frankly, I would love for Liverpool to take a run at him as I think he could be a huge boost to our attack and it would be great to root for a Yank, especially since the team is owned by the Red Sox.

Take care all.

Shoden

03-01-2012, 11:34 PM

Newcastle vs Sunderland this weekend, I can feel the malice in the air coming to a boil already or someone forgot to pick up after their dogs... common thing in this neck of the woods, then someone steps in it and spreads it all over the pavement, grass and someone else trails it into the house, carpets and- oh dear getting sidetracked... derp...

Yeah I'd be looking forward to the game if I weren't at band practice during the day but I'll be getting someone to give me updates. Hoping Newcastle can pull off all 3 points but can see it going either way or most likely a draw.

Psychotic

03-03-2012, 02:48 PM

Can't believe that shit. No Champions League for LFC and there won't be until we put these games where we dominate to bed. It's the same old story. City, United, Norwich...doesn't matter who it is, it's the same. van Persie :argh: The man had like two touches of the ball in the entire game and both went in. If we had a player who could score like that...

Sign Soldado from Valencia. Offer him £300,000 per week; that should do it. Sell Charlie Adam for haggis meat if you have to in order to fund this.

Rocket Edge

03-03-2012, 04:12 PM

Liverpool's biggest problem is their mentality. They are so defensive it's unpleasant to watch. Aside from that they simply do not have enough flair to create chances. Players like Adam, Downing, & Henderson, all good players but they don't have any cutting edge. They don't have anyone in the team who will make a killer pass. They are good at holding onto the ball, can cross, shoot, but are a little too one-dimensional. But I think this is due to the way the academies are set up out there where they promote this style of play that they think is best. There's a massive lack of playmakers in England. It's also why I don't understand why Bellamy doesn't start all the time. He's one of the only players who can beat someone and makes things happen.

I just think they should go for broke a little more. Go 4-3-3 like Arsenal do against the lesser teams. Put Suarez as a winger with Bellamy on the opposite side & Carroll in the middle, with the wing backs bombing forward. You might concede more but your more than likely going to create more chances. My 2 cents anyway. Deserves to be mentioned that Van Persie is the best striker in the world at the moment.

Psychotic

03-03-2012, 06:07 PM

I disagree strongly with that, Donal. Liverpool are an extremely attacking side under Dalglish. Certainly the most attacking I've known us to be in the past 15ish years, since Roy Evans left. We're definitely making chances - I think we had 40+ (no exaggeration) in the Cup final. We just can't score - that is the problem! Also, Craig Bellamy can't start every game - he has a knee problem. He is sort of like Ledley King.

I agree with the 4-3-3 suggestion though, I think that would be an ideal formation for LFC. Kuyt/Maxi can deputise for Bellamy when he has knee knack.

Old Manus

03-03-2012, 11:23 PM

Oh God, I just saw the Liverpool game on MotD. You're right, there is some kind of aura at Anfield that compels opposition goalkeepers to play absolute stormers.

The Captain

03-03-2012, 11:44 PM

Liverpool do create chances and play positive football. The problem is, they DO NOT FINISH. They have been a bit unlucky, as I think they've hit the posts the most times in the league but frankly this game illuminates their problem: They retained the majority of possession, had more chances, but Van Persie gets two touches and converts both.

I stand by what I said a few weeks ago, sell Suarez for as much as you can get. Real Madrid have apparently been interested and buy more clinical poachers up front. We need someone who will convert chances, in the vein of what Klose seems to do for Germany. Even if they only get a few touches, they will convert more often then not. For all of Suarez's pace and trickery, he just doesn't convert enough for Liverpool.

I would like to see the 4-3-3 setup as well. If/when Gerrard stays healthy, he should play through the middle of the midfield with Suarez and Bellamy/Kuyt on the flanks and Carroll up front. Henderson should deputize for Gerrard while Downing and Spearing also play in the midfield.

I have been supremely disappointed with Charlie Adam. What happened to his superb set-piece ability? He failed to beat the first man on free kicks and corners all day and that has been the norm for him. I think he needs to sit and work on the training ground for a few games.

Realistically, Liverpool should focus on the FA Cup now. We are ten points out of 4th and unless we dramatically pick up our play, we are not getting CL football next year. It's a tough call but winning a second trophy would make this season a modest success.

Also, what's this that I hear our old friend Rafa might be coming to Chelsea?

Take care all.

charliepanayi

03-04-2012, 12:08 AM

Van Persie league goals this season - 25
Liverpool league goals this season - 30 (6th lowest in the Premiership I think)

And that's pretty much their problem in a nutshell.

In the meantime can Chelsea carry on being rubbish for another month at least?

EDIT: Blast, they got rid of Villas-Boas.

Shoden

03-05-2012, 01:15 AM

That match was rough but a draw's a draw, 4 points in 6 gained from the "unwashed" this season. But that was the filthiest game of football I've seen for a while. Lee Cattermole has always been a brutish, brash and sometimes dirty player but he should've seen red within the first minute, well he did get sent off after the whistle for calling the ref something profane.
Cheick Tiote's drama dive after Sessegnon backhanded him was uncalled for but it got him sent off and set the pace for the rest of the match where the rest of the Sunderland team were confined to their box. I just cannot believe Ba missed a penalty and Shola Ameobi scores, I guess his title of Mackem Slayer isn't just a running joke after all.

Post derby tensions haven't been too bad but the odd drunken brawl in the town centre here in South Shields, just a bit away from Newcastle. I managed to miss that by minutes as I was passing through to get home from band practice.
I've heard that the Sunderland fans at the game were spreading their own poo all over the walls of the away end toilets and were urinating down the steps. I know its a derby, tensions are high but football is football, not an excuse to be a complete sod. Black And White or Red And White.

Psychotic

03-05-2012, 05:23 PM

lol chelsea what will you do next

03-11-2012, 04:54 PM

Now there's the Man City I know and love. Where have you been hiding all this time, baby. :heart:

Psychotic

03-11-2012, 05:05 PM

I'll pre-emptively ban Old Manus.

Also hi-five. This is like the Roy Hodgson days. Hell, this is like the Graeme Souness days! Nostalgia! :love: I still want my beautiful baby Rafa back on the coaching staff to team up with Kenny. Hands off him Chelski. :(

Rocket Edge

03-11-2012, 06:42 PM

SWANSEA YOU BUNCH OF LEGENDS! Was gutted when Sinclair missed the peno but they still managed the result in the end, massive respect.

Apologies for the delayed reply on the Liverpool debate. They really do have a problem at scoring goals. I also hold onto the thought that they are too defensive. They sit so deep. I can't help but think of the likes of Blackpool last season or Norwich now and seeing them score a bunch of goals yet Liverpool struggle yet they have better players. I'm aware that the lesser teams do set up shop at Anfield but still. If they had a poacher on their team I think they could nick a goal here and there though.

Old Manus

03-11-2012, 08:21 PM

<img src="http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/CITYFANGIF.gif" alt="delicious">

I've been on some family do in the middle of nowhere near Welshpool for the weekend. Never have I felt so justified in my determination to crouch outside over my phone in the one square metre of countryside that had 3G signal and refresh the BBC live text over and over. I hope that somewhere, someone heard a cry of delight echo through the rolling fields at 3:45 this afternoon.

EDIT: That's the 3 points from Man City and Arsenal at home, we SHOULD have also got the 3 points from Chelsea were it not for that last minute deflection for a draw, and we got 1-1 against Spurs. Man Utd scraped 1-0 from a defensive howler. I can't wait for Liverpool.

Bubba

03-11-2012, 10:55 PM

Just settling down to watch Match of the Day 2.

Come on the Swans! Get in!

EDIT: As a Man Utd fan I have to say we got lucky with the penalty decisions. Theirs was, ours wasn't. Simple as that. I'm not gonna read too much into the arguments in the City ranks. Bad day at the office but they still look strong.

Have to say though, De Gea has been looking a class act in the last 6-8 weeks. Good to see Johnny Evans coming back to form as well.

Quite proud to be the only championship chasing team to beat the Swans on their own turf... only just mind!

The Captain

03-13-2012, 11:38 PM

Now, that's more like it. Granted, Everton barely showed up, but Liverpool finally put together a consistent 90 minutes at home and actually SCORED!

Real happy for Stevie to mark his 400 league appearance with a Hat Trick though credit goes to Suarez who was lively all night and believe it or not, Andy Carroll who did a wonderful job tracking back all game, holding up the ball and winning headers. There may be hope for him yet.

I still think we need a more clinical poacher, but this result will do ahead of the FA Cup match on Sunday. I'd like to see this same side, with just Kuyt in for Henderson, play Stoke and have Bellamy and Maxi waiting for a second half sub-in if we need a burst of speed and energy.

Finally, a game I watched without pulling my hair out.

Take care all.

Psychotic

03-14-2012, 07:32 PM

I damned well believe it. This "Andy Carroll is tit" nonsense is the same as the "Emile Heskey is tit" nonsense. Never seen anyone whose opinion I respect say Carroll is a bad player. He had a bit of a shaky start to his Anfield career although I'll chalk that up to his lingering injury, and I still don't think he was worth the £35m fee, but he's someone I'm always happy to see in a Liverpool shirt. But then blah blah a striker's job is to score goals and...

Personally I put this win down to a distinct lack of Charlie Adam and hope to see this trend continuing.

Loony BoB

03-15-2012, 10:00 AM

I don't know many people who think Andy Carroll is shit, just people who think that he's not the same without his pal Joey Barton giving him supply, people who think that Newcastle are just better than Liverpool at supplying a striker a goal-scoring opportunity, people who think that Liverpool are shit in general and people who think that Andy Carroll never wanted to go to Liverpool, doesn't like it and doesn't want to stay there... and that this is all affecting his head. :p

For me? It's sort of like Torres at Chelsea. Good striker, good club, but sometimes things just don't work out as well for you as they did in the past.

Old Manus

03-15-2012, 10:19 AM

For the love of all things holy, please change that god damn word filter. Change it back to skulls, change it to four giant :wasim:s, I don't care anymore.

Psychotic

03-15-2012, 10:22 AM

Let's change it to Lee Trundle and watch all the Americans flip their Lee Trundle.

Bubba

03-15-2012, 02:31 PM

Cracking game last night. Well played Chelsea. I can't see them getting past the likes of Real, Bayern or Barca but it would be quite funny if they went on to win it with Di Matteo. 8 managers in the last 9 years then their caretaker manager leads them to European glory. That would be amazing.

charliepanayi

03-15-2012, 02:56 PM

Well they were a goalpost away from doing it with Avram Grant. Anyway I hope Barcelona or Real get them and crush them, but I suspect they'll get Apoel or Marseille in the next round instead.

Bubba

03-15-2012, 03:26 PM

Well they were a goalpost away from doing it with Avram Grant.

Ahh... memories... :D

They'll get Marseille. Chelsea are quite lucky with cup draws.

03-17-2012, 07:56 PM

Reports in that the Spurs/Bolton game been called off because Fabrice Muamba collapsed on the pitch and stopped breathing, and is now on his way to hospital. Absolutely horrible situation, I hope it doesn't turn out to be another Marc Vivien-Foe, only 23 years old. Nothing on his condition yet, but god damn I hope he is alright.

Old Manus

03-17-2012, 11:23 PM

Yeah that shit is rough, I had Sky Sports News on for an hour after it happened and was rapidly losing faith in any good news before they said he's stable but in a very bad way in hospital. Even if he recovers it looks like his career may be over. Puts our performance at Craven Cottage (which was phenomenal by the way, watch MoTD plz) in perspective.

Bubba

03-21-2012, 09:20 AM

Great to see Muamba doing so well. It's really heart-warming to see fans, players and coaches all over the world offering their support as well. Brilliant stuff. One game, one family.

I know this is an EPL thread but someone has to mention Messi. Another hat trick last night. His eighteenth as a Barcelona player! He has now become the top goalscorer (254 goals) in the club's entire history... He's 24. Ridiculous. 45 games this season... 54 goals. Ridiculous.

Finally, good luck to a resurgent Chelsea tonight at the Etihad. Someone's got to take points off them there this season. Let's hope it's tonight!

Oh and I agree OM, I watched Match of the Day on Saturday and the Swans were awesome.

charliepanayi

03-21-2012, 09:46 AM

I wouldn't say Chelsea were resurgent just yet, have they even played an away game since Vilas-Boas left? They've had some soft home fixtures in the league and FA Cup, and put in a good performance against Napoli (though Napoli bottled it somewhat).

That said, if they can beat Spurs this weekend, I wouldn't mind.

Bubba

03-21-2012, 10:53 AM

Fair enough, maybe not a resurgent Chelsea, but certainly a bouyed Chelsea. If I'm honest I would say City have the edge, especially as John Terry isn't playing. Though there could be quite a few goals in it though if Kompany isn't fit.

Psychotic

03-21-2012, 04:09 PM

You can talk about whatever league you want to be honest with you bubba. We just put "English football" because we'd have the American population of the forum rehashing the "IT IS CALLED SOCCAR !!!!" argument again and again.

Old Manus

03-22-2012, 03:41 PM

Well, we'll just ignore yesterday at Loftus Road and spare the tears from a certain Liverpool fan and the shifty glances as people realise the Swans are only three points behind them, and pretend that the only thing that occurred during the game was this:

http://www.abload.de/img/animation3ju5h7.gif

Psychotic

03-22-2012, 06:16 PM

Thanks Jim. :aimkiss: Was truly one smurfing hammer of a goal.

Also you just wait. Plucky underdogs Liverpool are going to come to the Liberty and grind out a point and I will gloat if we manage to pull it off.

Old Manus

03-26-2012, 11:33 AM

http://images.supersport.com/Kenny-Dalglish-120324-WithRobertoMartinez-R-300.jpg

"Hey Kenny, have you seen my impersonation of a Luis Suarez goal?"

Bubba

03-26-2012, 11:55 AM

Sorry to the Liverpool fans on this thread but your league form really is turd. They need a serious squad overhaul before they can think about breaking back into the top four.

Here's hoping the mighty Man Utd can open up a three point gap tonight and further close that goal difference gap. I think it's unrealistic to hope for a four-goal cushion tonight but two or three would be most welcome.

Psychotic

03-26-2012, 05:52 PM

what are you people talking about?

next year is surely our year! :greenie:

The Captain

03-26-2012, 09:34 PM

And thus, for a second year in a row, Liverpool have decided to end their EPL campaign early.

Frankly, all I can ask for now is this: Let's win the FA Cup, bring up a bunch of our kids and then have Kenny retire for good at season's end. It's the best possible outcome for what has been a really putrid season on many fronts.

It has become clear that this team, as constituted and sadly, as managed will not be able to compete for the Top 4, to say nothing of the title. We are too slow, too direct, too lacking in imagination and are missing the most basic of football (SOCCER!) skills: hitting the net.

In my wildest fever dreams, we would be able to bring in someone like Joachim Löw who could craft this team back toward an actual squad, capable of passing and scoring as opposed to what we have now. Alas, I doubt he would leave Germany and especially not for this mess.

The whole squad needs to be retooled and that will not be easy. I want Suarez sold, I can't root for him anymore. I am tired of his antics and whatever ability he does have, and it is considerable, is negated by his terrible goal-line skills. Andy Carroll is clearly a project, but one that I'm not sure Liverpool can continue to work on. He has some skill but is just lazy, frankly. He has the body of a central forward but not the brain and I'm not sure you can teach that.

The midfield is a mess, especially on the wings. I think Sterling really deserves a run of games now. He showed more in 6 minutes then Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson have all year. Stewart Downing has gotten better but the bar was set so low, that says nothing. I, like so many others, love Dirk but I think he leaves in the summer and I can't blame him. I'll happily welcome Lucas back but Spearing hasn't been awful and holding midfield isn't our problem. As for Gerrard, it is terrible that he remains our engine and the only player who is capable of putting in a full shift because he cannot be counted on to stay healthy. Realistically, he can still give us a lot of great performances but he will not play a full season and when he is missing, we are truly lost in the middle.

Defensively, what seemed like a strength has turned very limp. Coates may be good but he still needs seasoning. I want Martin Kelly to get some central time as I think that's where his true talents are. I love Carra, but he's past his prime and also cannot be counted on for a length of time anymore. Enrique needs to go back to the basics, and rediscover his early season form which was wonderful. Glen Johnson has been good but is oft-injured as well. Noticing a trend here?

So, for this off-season, 4 things need to happen:

1. New Manager, someone with tactical prowess who will force Liverpool to do the basics well again.

2. Sell Suarez and bring in a true goal-scorer, someone who will take chances when given them and also, is a much more upstanding person. I'm not asking for a saint by any means, but Suarez already had a ton of red flags from his past and this season has shown that he cannot be trusted to keep his problems to himself.

3. Give the youth a chance, especially on the wings. I'd love to see Martin Kelly and Sterling play a bunch in what I think are their best positions. Maybe even give Coady a shout.

4. This is the hardest and also most obvious: Rediscover a killer instinct. Liverpool have LOST, not even tied, to teams that frankly aren't as good on paper as them and it's because they haven't wanted it as much as their opponents. There have been so many games where the win was there for the taking but they let it slip away or their opponent wanted it more. This ties in to the new manager as well.

Take care all.

Psychotic

03-26-2012, 10:05 PM

1. Sell Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher and Dirk Kuyt to Anzi Machakachicken for £80m combined or whatever ridiculous money they want to throw at us. They'd be paying for the reputation of these players rather than what fading ability their old frames still have.

2. Spend every penny of it on hiring Jose Mourinho.

3. THIS IS OUR YEAR.

Old Manus

03-28-2012, 12:10 PM

I am tired of his [Suarez's] antics and whatever ability he does have, and it is considerable, is negated by his terrible goal-line skills.

What are you talking about? He's a master!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/25/article-2120158-1250D0FB000005DC-936_468x313.jpg

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2010/07/Luis%20Suarez%20handball-thumb-590x371-45941.jpg

Yes I will keep posting that image.

charliepanayi

03-28-2012, 01:59 PM

Still no idea why people made a fuss over his World Cup handball - the one on the weekend was just hilariously daft and sums up Liverpool's fortune lately.

Psychotic

03-28-2012, 06:22 PM

His World Cup handball was one of the best things I've ever seen. Watching the BBC who were utterly bumloving Ghana having to eat shit was hilarious.

Bubba

03-28-2012, 09:00 PM

He is a goofy twat and should be shot

Psychotic

03-28-2012, 09:14 PM

He is a handsome stud and should be given a medal :colbert:

Bubba

03-28-2012, 10:47 PM

He is a handsome stud and should be given a medal :colbert:

I agree.

If by medal you mean asbo

Loony BoB

03-29-2012, 01:47 PM

He got his Carling Cup medal, so we don't need him around anymore. He doesn't deserve much else outside of a good slapping.

Psychotic

03-29-2012, 05:25 PM

Luis is my favourite troll and the hysteria every time he so much as sneezes only makes me love his wacky handball antics more :aimkiss:

charliepanayi

03-29-2012, 08:48 PM

Suarez should realise you're only allowed to be extremely unpleasant and engage in gamesmanship if you're an England regular.

Crop

04-01-2012, 12:12 AM

With all the insane jargon going on in the forums I'd like to post in a place where I know everything makes sense (y'know, apart from Psychotics ramblings that Liverpool are still a force), I didn't get to see any of the games from today, although I'm happy with most of the results: Arsenal losing and City drawing at home - so was it a pen at City, I didn't get to take a look but I hear from others that it wasn't?
Eitherway I hope Utd can capitalise on this, and also that Swansea can win tomorrow!

Old Manus

04-01-2012, 12:18 AM

To be fair, I can't remember the last time he claimed Liverpool were a force.

There's an obvious wordplay here somewhere though

Crop

04-01-2012, 12:23 AM

To be fair, I can't remember the last time he claimed Liverpool were a force.

There's an obvious wordplay here somewhere though

Looking back I'm sorry to say you're probably right, which is really upsetting since he isn't behaving like a typical Liverpool fan, what else do us Utd fans have except exclaming that we're the Champ19ns?

Psychotic

04-01-2012, 12:29 AM

when have I said liverpool aren't a bag of bollocks for the past three years? Apart from that brief period last year, I guess. Have you actually read the football thread? Like, ever? :colbert:

Liverpool are a midtable team and the amount of attention we receive from fans of other clubs - like your good self - and the media is disproportionate to how relevant we are to English football right now.

Crop

04-01-2012, 12:31 AM

Liverpool are a midtable team and the amount of attention we receive from fans of other clubs - like your good self - and the media is disproportionate to how relevant we are to English football right now.

You're being too reasonable and making too much sense for my liking.

Psychotic

04-01-2012, 12:40 AM

what i meant to say was jordan henderson is world class and next year we'll win the league, you'll see.

Bubba

04-01-2012, 11:22 AM

next year we'll win the league, you'll see.

There's more chance of Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra climbing into a hot, soapy bath together and playing 'Spot the Submarine'.

Psychotic

04-01-2012, 11:41 AM

What if nukes wiped out both Manchester and London? :smug:

...and Newcastle.

...and "Everton", wherever that is...

The Captain

04-01-2012, 08:29 PM

I have decided I am only going to actively watch Liverpool in the FA Cup for the rest of this season. Otherwise, I end up being depressed all day long.

Also, what is going on at Man City? Strange injuries abound and they look like they WANT United to win the league. It's almost as if they realized that they are Man City and have no business being on top.

Take care all.

The Captain

04-01-2012, 09:50 PM

If Liverpool agree to start playing matches on New York City time then I will be happy to continue watching our downward spiral. However, having spent countless weekend mornings, often after arriving home from an overnight on set or at a job, watching the team be listless and miss glorious chances or not even play inspired, I'd rather sleep.

That said, if I ever AM in Liverpool, I will totally go to a match with you.

Take care all.

Rocket Edge

04-01-2012, 10:07 PM

Question to Liverpool fan's - do you think Kenny Dalglish deserves to get the sack after today's performance? I watched the Newcastle game today and I thought they didn't do too badly in the first half, but in the second they fell through. They really lack belief.

Psychotic

04-01-2012, 10:26 PM

Question to Liverpool fan's - do you think Kenny Dalglish deserves to get the sack after today's performance? Nope. This kneejerk bullshit doesn't get anyone anywhere - look at Chelsea. Rome wasn't built in a day. But I would like him to take a long hard fucking look at his methods and squad. (Hodgson was different because of his general attitude towards things, before anyone says it! :p)

Loony BoB

04-02-2012, 12:08 PM

But Roy Ho-- oh, right.

Old Manus

04-04-2012, 10:21 PM

Looking at the table, I think what's happened here is that Newcastle are overachieving somewhat this season and Everton are only above Liverpool by virtue of two quick wins over West Brom and the Swans, and that'll soon equal itself out. Then above that, you've got Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal and Man City/Utd. The fact is, those five teams are just better teams than Liverpool at the moment.

If you ignore Newcastle and Everton for now, the next team up is Chelsea and you just have to compare their squads. Chelsea have proven scorers in Drogba, Sturridge et al (we'll forget Torres), as well as a top class midfield with Mata, Essien, Meireles and so on. Put that side by side with Liverpool's grossly unintimidating lineup of Andy Carroll, Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson and I can't really place Liverpool above them in the table. They have two players who are truly world class in Suarez and Kuyt, but other than that it's just a merry-go-round of average players with the exception of pensioner Steven Gerrard.

From this we can deduce that they are probably on paper the sixth best team in the league, and are two places away from it because of bad form, good form from the two teams above them, and I'm sure Suarez's eight game ban didn't help much. Actually this one is just a joke. Carry on. You guys just need to step back and reassess your goals before any tribal chief killing.