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ScottyRedXIII
06-19-2011, 01:32 AM
hey guy's. So for a while now I've been thinking about learning a new language. The only problem is i don't no what way to go about it and would rather spend no money at all.

I've always wanted to try and learn Spanish and Japanese. Any one no of any good programs or sites that teach? many thanks.

Yar
06-19-2011, 02:17 AM
You will never get good in any language unless you get out and use it practically. You can study as hard as and for as long as you want, but until you use it you won't reach your goals.

THAT BEING SAID I am a Japanese language major and I use Japanese every day at work.
Japanese Grammar Guide | Tae Kim's Guide to Learning Japanese (http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar) This site its amazing check it out.

Peegee
06-19-2011, 02:22 AM
when I watch chinese movies with subs I just lol at the bad subbing. what you should do is watch raw anime and learn the mannerisms before you pratice irl

Yar
06-19-2011, 02:24 AM
I disagree with pg. Don't learn Anime Japanese. Learn standard Japanese first. Then when you have a good grasp you can pick it up from anime.

NorthernChaosGod
06-19-2011, 02:45 AM
Get dropped off somewhere in Mexico. You'll come back knowing enough Spanish to get by or you'll get sold as taco meat.

Pike
06-19-2011, 02:59 AM
I took a couple of years of Spanish in high school and then a couple of years of Japanese in college. Spanish is approximately nineteen thousand thirty two hundred and twentyfive times easier to learn. Trufax (http://www.enemieslist.net/japanese/).

So if you're trying to decide which of the two languages to do, I'd go with how much time and effort you are willing to put in.

Shlup
06-19-2011, 08:17 AM
Pirate a copy of Rosetta Stone, duh.

Yar
06-19-2011, 04:43 PM
omg pike that is like the best article ever.

I've met so many weeaboo fucks at my school who just study Japanese because they like anime or something stupid like that. They learn their Japanese from anime and they sound and act like idiots because of it. I want to hit them.

Pike
06-19-2011, 04:49 PM
Ahaha seriously

I took a few different Japanese classes for a time in college, just to branch out and see if it was maybe something I wanted to minor in. So aside from the language courses I took a Japanese History course, a Japanese literature course, and "Japanese Film and Anime", which attracted a rather interesting group of students

ACTUAL STORY FROM THAT CLASS:

*Teacher discussing old Japanese films by Kurosawa or something*
Student: "I think there are Japanese video games that are just as artistic as these old movies."
Teacher: "Oh, give me an example?"
Student: "FINAL FANTASY SEVEN"

not making this up

Jessweeee♪
06-19-2011, 05:26 PM
Yeah, it's a kajillion billion times easier to learn Spanish than it is to learn Japanese when English is your first language.

Spanish and Japanese are two languages I want to learn as well. Japanese just because 90% of my entertainment is from Japan (so yeah, call me a weeaboo I guess xD) and Spanish because I have practical use for it, seeing as I'll be living in South Texas. Looks good on a resume, even if you just wanna be a cashier!

Pike
06-19-2011, 05:33 PM
Yeah, I really wish I knew Spanish, it would make it about ten times easier for me to get a job.

I currently live in the middle of nowhere in Northwestern Washington (couple hours away from Seattle); you'd think it wouldn't be a mecca for Spanish speakers, but oh my word, it is. You can walk into pretty much any place that is hiring and if you're bilingual you've got a job. I'm jelly. :<

aquatius
06-19-2011, 06:42 PM
Learn Esperanto ('cause it's easy 8D)

But seriously, whatever you do, DON'T use Rosetta Stone. It's based on a terrible theory (adults should not try and learn a language the way a child does) and it's insultingly overpriced.

Old Manus
06-19-2011, 07:40 PM
Learn Welsh. It's a useful and traditional language steeped in history and a lothahahahahahaha

Peegee
06-19-2011, 08:41 PM
Ahaha seriously

I took a few different Japanese classes for a time in college, just to branch out and see if it was maybe something I wanted to minor in. So aside from the language courses I took a Japanese History course, a Japanese literature course, and "Japanese Film and Anime", which attracted a rather interesting group of students

ACTUAL STORY FROM THAT CLASS:

*Teacher discussing old Japanese films by Kurosawa or something*
Student: "I think there are Japanese video games that are just as artistic as these old movies."
Teacher: "Oh, give me an example?"
Student: "FINAL FANTASY SEVEN"

not making this up

watashi wa kawaii masu desu pika pika etc.
see you can learn nihongo des from adevento chibi. ff7 for lifu

Rowan
06-20-2011, 12:19 AM
You will never get good in any language unless you get out and use it practically. You can study as hard as and for as long as you want, but until you use it you won't reach your goals.

THAT BEING SAID I am a Japanese language major and I use Japanese every day at work.
Japanese Grammar Guide | Tae Kim's Guide to Learning Japanese (http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar) This site its amazing check it out.


Im really interested in learning Japanese. If you have any other good references such as books that I could purchase weather they be plain text or workbooks, I'd really appreciate it. Did you think that watching anime can help you learn also?

Peegee
06-20-2011, 12:39 AM
yeah you should. pretty much all the japanese I've learned is from anime

wakarimasen

Yar
06-20-2011, 12:42 AM
Like I said earlier, don't try to learn Japanese from anime. Anime is not real and if you try to talk like that you'll sound awkward, especially if you're a gaijin. (Imagine someone learning English by watching Jersey Shore. Yeah, not a good idea.) Standard Japanese is what you need to learn. Once you've got that, then you can watch anime for entertainment.

Don't listen to Peegee he's an idiot.

Amazon.com: Japanese Vocabulary (Barron's Vocabulary) (9780764139734): Carol Akiyama, Nobuo Akiyama: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Vocabulary-Barrons-Carol-Akiyama/dp/0764139738/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1308526772&sr=8-1) I study with this book. It's increased my vocabulary by leaps and bounds.

Amazon.com: Japanese Kanji & Kana Revised Edition: A Guide to the Japanese Writing System (Tuttle Language Library) (0676251820775): Wolfgang Hadamitzky, Mark Spahn: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Kanji-Kana-Revised-Language/dp/0804820775/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308526887&sr=1-1) I study Kanji from this book. Don't start Kanji until you have mastered hiragana and katakana. Some people like to just jump in but you really need to pace yourself.



Go meet Japanese people and talk to them. Even if you're new at it they'll tell you your Japanese is sugoi and love you.

Rowan
06-20-2011, 12:47 AM
Amazon.com: Japanese Vocabulary (Barron's Vocabulary) (9780764139734): Carol Akiyama, Nobuo Akiyama: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Vocabulary-Barrons-Carol-Akiyama/dp/0764139738/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1308526772&sr=8-1) I study with this book. It's increased my vocabulary by leaps and bounds/

would you recommend this book for someones whos just starting out?

Yar
06-20-2011, 12:51 AM
You could use it yeah. There are greetings in it and all the words are sorted by category. And it's a cheap book.

rubah
06-20-2011, 12:54 AM
I couldn't figure out Rosetta Stone. It just pissed me off.

I've used livemocha.com to some extent in learning swedish. I like it! For the more popular languages, there's a lot of user-interaction and tips and stuff

Haha_YouAint
06-20-2011, 01:46 AM
hey guy's. So for a while now I've been thinking about learning a new language. The only problem is i don't no what way to go about it and would rather spend no money at all.

I've always wanted to try and learn Spanish and Japanese. Any one no of any good programs or sites that teach? many thanks.

There's an online site like Rosetta Stone, it's called Livemocha (http://www.livemocha.com/)

You can also find an international buddy online to help you along at http://www.interpals.net (http://ww.interpals.net)

Jessweeee♪
06-20-2011, 04:20 AM
This is a nice little website for English and Spanish speakers trying to learn the other language. The boards are a tad dead, but there are a lot of nifty things like a giant collection of idioms.

Spanish Learning Community - Tomísimo (http://www.tomisimo.org/)

ScottyRedXIII
06-21-2011, 03:28 PM
wow, so much feed back xD, I've just signed up to that Livemocha so that should be interesting

Kilby
06-21-2011, 03:55 PM
Give me the detail information about the language that you want to learn.
I will tell you the guideline about that language. I think you should have to different languages.

Peegee
06-21-2011, 05:21 PM
Like I said earlier, don't try to learn Japanese from anime. Anime is not real and if you try to talk like that you'll sound awkward, especially if you're a gaijin. (Imagine someone learning English by watching Jersey Shore. Yeah, not a good idea.) Standard Japanese is what you need to learn. Once you've got that, then you can watch anime for entertainment.

Don't listen to Peegee he's and idiot.

Amazon.com: Japanese Vocabulary (Barron's Vocabulary) (9780764139734): Carol Akiyama, Nobuo Akiyama: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Vocabulary-Barrons-Carol-Akiyama/dp/0764139738/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1308526772&sr=8-1) I study with this book. It's increased my vocabulary by leaps and bounds.

Amazon.com: Japanese Kanji & Kana Revised Edition: A Guide to the Japanese Writing System (Tuttle Language Library) (0676251820775): Wolfgang Hadamitzky, Mark Spahn: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Kanji-Kana-Revised-Language/dp/0804820775/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308526887&sr=1-1) I study Kanji from this book. Don't start Kanji until you have mastered hiragana and katakana. Some people like to just jump in but you really need to pace yourself.



Go meet Japanese people and talk to them. Even if you're new at it they'll tell you your Japanese is sugoi and love you.

My brother is still studying japanese. He told me the other day he's studying the word 'desu'

I wish i were spamming but it's the truth. You can either spend your time studying the practical and societal definition of words or you can just learn how to speak the language.

A few months ago I met my brother's gf's cousin who barely spoke a word of english. Now we can converse properly. She learned conversational english instead of figuring out concepts like figure of speech and idioms, which aren't necessary for conversation in a foreign language.

For example you're studying french justy - does it help you at all that there's a speech method where the syllables are reversed?

Selphie Tilmitt
06-21-2011, 08:12 PM
Hello everybody ,

for those who want to learn Japanese ,

i have a great website for you , its NHK (a Japanese news channel) , they offer a great & easy to learn lessons for beginners as mini series about a character who wants to learn japanese and use it on a daily-basis ,

if you look around the page , you`ll find another links giving you tips and advices about living in japan , Syllabary and Vocab .. = )


ANYWAYS ~

Select Your Language | Japanese Lessons (http://www3.nhk.or.jp/lesson/)

after choosing your mother language ( to translate the whole website and lessons into it e.g. i choose Arabic so the Japanese lessons will be translated into it in order to help me understanding them )

you`ll be transferred to a new page ..click any link you want to explore what`s behind it ..


if you just want to learn Japanese & get to the lessons fast

Just make sure you click on : Learn Japanese Online
to brows all the lessons by order ,

I hope you get the whole benefit of it ^^

Gambate ~ !